The game mechanics make it, so nothing will change unless Konami wants to punish it. I though the new update would punish the qc and lbc meta but it was the opposite, it completely destroyed the possession gameplay unless you are on pa2 or below. I feel that stamina drain on players is more while playing possession style instead of constant pressing on counter football.
@@cykal9578 The only way possession will ever be viable is if 1 they slow the game down a little, not pass speed but the hyper-aggressive pressing, and/or give us a trigger run option like EAFC has.
@@lxrdnxtii6124, Veron, I never see him mentioned, but he's really good for me. Fast, strong, good defence and passing, balance etc. If he had very high weak foot then he'd be broken.
Great video Rock, i use the one cf and 2 ss but i understand how yours work excellent explanation. The 2 ss for me also confuse the 2 opponent cb's just have to pick the right pass. Romario at ss with inactive playstyle is game changer 👍🏻
Thanks bro i play a similar formation as this but I have an amf instead of an SS and a DMF on the right hand instead of a CMF. Thanks for video might rejig my formation now. Also waiting for Rijkaard as the lone DMF
great observation rock , really loved it ... i am using romario ( from barca pack - fox in the box ) and deep lying messi to counter the man marking and in counter i am using lamine yamal
No I hadn't used it, but I'd gone for a diamond formation with my United team and was using something similar so this is really useful, thanks. And I had noticed it was working well. So... I've got deep line on Casemiro, AWB as a CB on the right, Irwin LB, Scholes or Robson LCM, Mainoo or Eriksen RCM, Beckham as CM in AM position (other players can slot in there.) Cantona on the left CF, Law or Owen on the right CF (both have super sub) RVN and Yorke on the bench (RVN has super sub) Schmeichel in net and Pretty much every POW etc at CB. Park and Garnacho are others on the bench. The problem I have is that I haven't got good consistent wingers (I had big time Rashford but gave his skill to show time Mbappe 🤦🏻♂️) so I felt the diamond was the way to go. I've got the CM's in a bit tighter. It works well, but I'll definitely try this. Thanks for sharing, Rock 🤟
i'm using a variotion of this tactic. Not an SS but 2 AMFS, with maradona hole player on center, messi and gullit up front and is working pretty well. I'm currently on rank 142 on steam.
Hi bro ,i think my firat message didnt send so sorry if there are 2 messages of mine😅.Anyways i have a few questions: 1.How important is th OA for the cfs,in particular the right one.I would like to use maradona classic no 10 there but im not sure if his attacking awareness is high enough 2.is it okay to use more physically strong cfs as opposed to nimble ones,i noticed you didnt really use any plays like haaland,is there a reason for that? 3.which playstyle is best to pair with dlf up front,inactivated,goal poacher,fitb of something else?how important are speed stats in this position as well(can i use the free messi showtime) 4.what are some free to play alternatives fir mattheus, i have valverde,enzo fernandez,bernado ailva potw ,england rice and booster petit?what are the most imoortant stats?❤
Efootball is slowly and surely taking over FC in terms of how similar it plays to realy soccer yet it is fun and engaging. I think not so far in the future, real teams will use software like this to emulate matches and find out weaknesses in formations agains potential opponents.
Rock, I don't have any decent DMF. Best one is Amadou Onana. So now I'm thinking. I play like this: Maldni-Gvardiol-Saliba-Costacurta. And Vieira as DMF. Now since both fullbacks are defensive, I don't feel that I need to put defensive on them. So instead, I'm putting Anchoring+Defensive on Vieira. I really don't know if it's smart but so far 5 games 5 wins with rage quit before 70th mins :)
Good video. Just learned that the Player Roles and Positions are broken in this game. You have to play players out of position to make them work better? wtf? So having Destroyer CB's in the middle is broken because they leave gaps? Furthermore you have to have Goal Poachers as SS for them to make better runs? Konami needs to fix this shit.
Whole game is broken. Players leave big Spaces. Running wherever they want but not where You want. No pressure when You need it but oponent is glued to Your team and You cant do shit. Players with Stamina 90+ after FIRST half have red bar. No fouls for my team, scripted matches, no interceptions when ball go 30cm next to your Player. Oh… i forgot about gameplay strange slowing down and response drop down, laags and meta shit everywhere. This is not skill football game like was all the time. Only P2W packs for spenders. When PES Change to efootball this game is a Joke.
It's not inherently because they ae goal poachers,when a player is inactive they act according to their stats,and since goal poachers have high OA,they make runs a lot of the time
So, if I am correct, the two CM are Orchestrator/Box-to-box, but the orchestrator can be a Creative Playmaker also? And, is not needed to put Deep line od DMF if is an Anchor man when using Destroyer on CB. Also, the two CF are Deep lying FW, or can be other type also?
all is good and well when the game works as intended and players make runs and don't stop midway. Look at opponents AI defensive line during your move at 1:45, lol what is that? You are explaining it like you did something special there, but there is so much help/handicap in this game it's ridiculous. If you didn't get help there you wouldn't even get a shot. Even then his Van Buyten should block the shot, but it goes through his legs. He has 7 players in around the box and you haven't played through him to have a decent chance and yet you score. Look at Van Buyten Through your whole "move" he is deliberately making your players onside while also not marking messi for a short pass looool. I'm not gonna get into how the fullback should have stayed on Messi the whole time it's just too fun to watch. With the amount of help you are getting there you should be able to play through him with ease and score a tap in, but in the end it doesn't matter what you do because the game intended for you to score anyways so it's almost impossible to make the "wrong" move and also it's impossible for him to stop it. You can also look at his other players as well there like de paul covering then stoping to make space for you etc. I can keep dissecting other situations you showed or should I got to full matches and actually show the differences between two teams AI on any given they and how much they help/hinder chance creation
Don't waste your breathe explaining this game..all you have to do is laugh...the game is so bad that you know when the game wants you to concede and when they want you to score... youre just a vessel holding a controller...the end result of the game is determinant on them and this is so prevalent in this current state...most people with 4-2-1-3 and then quick counter just simulate unrealistic passes going forward and there must be an opening..either by the ball ghosting through your defender whos asleep or the ai breaking your defensive line and playing big time messi onside whos as dangerous with either foot from any angle... there's no loophole round this game..just play it..laugh..win some..lose some..and go do something else with your life
@@ebubemuoneke4259 exactly. I understand he is making content with these videos about tactics but in the end it doesn't matter. I wish these youtuber made videos complaining about that . Also I'm curious to know about how the game stopped lagging for him overnight? I guess konami put some server near him and made it much better for him? since that plays a huge role how the game behaves
Hey man, I have a problem. when passing or through passing , sometimes the under bar line turns into purple and it passes so slowly that most of the times I loss the ball, smart assist is also off. is the any way to turn this feature off? great content by the way,, keep it up.❤❤
You are doing stunning passes, happens when you press pass and sprint at the same time (on console, not sure about mobile). I used to always do the same when I started playing. Unfortunately you can't turn it off but once you understand why its happening its easier to avoid
@@rockchok9 alright mate, the first voice notes I sent you trying to explain the formula didn’t record my voice I forgot to switch from headset to controller mic, so I just quickly explained the idea behind the tactic in the last voice notes , I’ve tested out the formation with different players and play styles but ultimately you do need a certain crop of players for the formation to work
Dude, this is fucking "legends" division😂😂😂 You think everyone invested hundreds of pounds in this money sucking joke? When playing against legends, my CB instructed to clear the ball, let i fall on his head and monekying around the ball just for Gullit to be able to run almost half pitch and steal the ball and score. Man marking or tight marking doesnt work on "230" legend cards, CBs leave the center of the box just to be sure opponent CF has a clear way to the goal. Its all pay to win. And i dont want to invest my moeny in a game.
Its great having these video but lets me honest- the game is rubbish with 80 interceptions per game as avg. Awful passing and aggressive Ai defending even if you are playing on-line!
It's just a shame you still can't consistently beat p2w god squads via formations, tactics and equal skill. Doesn't matter what formation you play when your opponent has every single epic card in the game, of which 95% of all players above div 3 have. Literally have not played vs a single team rated lower than 3.1k this season. This is the most boring football game ever created at this point. Spend money and you have fun.
@@ShaunMbati I'm div 1 with a f2p squad. I never once said that you can't get to div 1 with a free squad. Please improve your reading comprehension. I said you can't consistently beat P2w god squads via formations, tactics and skill, because when skill is similar, pay to win cards consistently produce better results, and the entire game runs on P2w. My current rank rating is 1900 with a purely free squad, I have not played a single game this season against a team with a squad rating of lower than 3100. Not a single team. Next time try actually reading before responding.
So the Anti-Meta tactic is to play the Meta tactic then🤣
👍😂
Typically, and it works Tbh
The game mechanics make it, so nothing will change unless Konami wants to punish it. I though the new update would punish the qc and lbc meta but it was the opposite, it completely destroyed the possession gameplay unless you are on pa2 or below. I feel that stamina drain on players is more while playing possession style instead of constant pressing on counter football.
@@cykal9578 The only way possession will ever be viable is if 1 they slow the game down a little, not pass speed but the hyper-aggressive pressing, and/or give us a trigger run option like EAFC has.
Used hole player scholes and Bellingham as 2 cmf’s and defensive instruction on beckenbauer as dmf…..works pretty well with 2 defensive fullbacks
Brother what's ur training for Bellingham and beckenebauer
Great video analysis @rockchock..one little correction..creative playmaker style is active as a SS
No what he meant was putting Owen SS made his playstyle inactive.
thank you! First time I can reach div 1 with this tactic as free to play player
good vid Rock. starting notice only now these things. mastered dribbling now ready start use tactics and formations
Orchestrators are OP now especially if they are fast.
@@lxrdnxtii6124, Veron, I never see him mentioned, but he's really good for me. Fast, strong, good defence and passing, balance etc. If he had very high weak foot then he'd be broken.
@@busbyboy77Veron also carries the ball really well for a dmf
@@thekeynotex, yes he does, first time shot too. Very underrated in the game in my opinion.
This somehow made my romario even better 😂 class 👌
Great video Rock, i use the one cf and 2 ss but i understand how yours work excellent explanation. The 2 ss for me also confuse the 2 opponent cb's just have to pick the right pass. Romario at ss with inactive playstyle is game changer 👍🏻
Thanks bro i play a similar formation as this but I have an amf instead of an SS and a DMF on the right hand instead of a CMF. Thanks for video might rejig my formation now. Also waiting for Rijkaard as the lone DMF
great observation rock , really loved it ... i am using romario ( from barca pack - fox in the box ) and deep lying messi to counter the man marking and in counter i am using lamine yamal
No I hadn't used it, but I'd gone for a diamond formation with my United team and was using something similar so this is really useful, thanks. And I had noticed it was working well. So... I've got deep line on Casemiro, AWB as a CB on the right, Irwin LB, Scholes or Robson LCM, Mainoo or Eriksen RCM, Beckham as CM in AM position (other players can slot in there.) Cantona on the left CF, Law or Owen on the right CF (both have super sub) RVN and Yorke on the bench (RVN has super sub) Schmeichel in net and Pretty much every POW etc at CB. Park and Garnacho are others on the bench. The problem I have is that I haven't got good consistent wingers (I had big time Rashford but gave his skill to show time Mbappe 🤦🏻♂️) so I felt the diamond was the way to go. I've got the CM's in a bit tighter. It works well, but I'll definitely try this. Thanks for sharing, Rock 🤟
Rock chok i swr your de best reached. Div 1 just now with this tactics❤❤
i'm using a variotion of this tactic. Not an SS but 2 AMFS, with maradona hole player on center, messi and gullit up front and is working pretty well. I'm currently on rank 142 on steam.
Great video!
great breakdown
How did you train pirlo?
I can confirm this is a good tactic
I reached 2000 rating with this tactic🙌🏻
Hi bro ,i think my firat message didnt send so sorry if there are 2 messages of mine😅.Anyways i have a few questions:
1.How important is th OA for the cfs,in particular the right one.I would like to use maradona classic no 10 there but im not sure if his attacking awareness is high enough
2.is it okay to use more physically strong cfs as opposed to nimble ones,i noticed you didnt really use any plays like haaland,is there a reason for that?
3.which playstyle is best to pair with dlf up front,inactivated,goal poacher,fitb of something else?how important are speed stats in this position as well(can i use the free messi showtime)
4.what are some free to play alternatives fir mattheus, i have valverde,enzo fernandez,bernado ailva potw ,england rice and booster petit?what are the most imoortant stats?❤
Valverde is a beast
Efootball is slowly and surely taking over FC in terms of how similar it plays to realy soccer yet it is fun and engaging. I think not so far in the future, real teams will use software like this to emulate matches and find out weaknesses in formations agains potential opponents.
Rock, I don't have any decent DMF. Best one is Amadou Onana. So now I'm thinking. I play like this: Maldni-Gvardiol-Saliba-Costacurta. And Vieira as DMF. Now since both fullbacks are defensive, I don't feel that I need to put defensive on them. So instead, I'm putting Anchoring+Defensive on Vieira. I really don't know if it's smart but so far 5 games 5 wins with rage quit before 70th mins :)
Wdym dont have any decent one, you have the best one in the game. Put deep line on him and thats it
@@Jotgut Man says I don't have a DMF and Vieira in the same sentence. Bro when I see vieira's shirt in the pregame screen I get nervous.
Good video. Just learned that the Player Roles and Positions are broken in this game. You have to play players out of position to make them work better? wtf? So having Destroyer CB's in the middle is broken because they leave gaps? Furthermore you have to have Goal Poachers as SS for them to make better runs? Konami needs to fix this shit.
Whole game is broken. Players leave big Spaces. Running wherever they want but not where You want. No pressure when You need it but oponent is glued to Your team and You cant do shit. Players with Stamina 90+ after FIRST half have red bar. No fouls for my team, scripted matches, no interceptions when ball go 30cm next to your Player. Oh… i forgot about gameplay strange slowing down and response drop down, laags and meta shit everywhere. This is not skill football game like was all the time. Only P2W packs for spenders. When PES Change to efootball this game is a Joke.
It's not inherently because they ae goal poachers,when a player is inactive they act according to their stats,and since goal poachers have high OA,they make runs a lot of the time
I hate qc now the game gets baffled by it and passes never go where u want them to posession all the way for me
@@MagOxygenacji You forgot to mention the 80 interceptions per game! Ping pong basketball football!!!
@@FCBARESICLIPS oh… youre right! 🙈
I have Nesta Canavaro, both Destroyer, so you do not recommend it ?
Interesting, if you have a destroyer as dmf with deep line and a destroyer CB with defensive instructions, it wouldn't work?
So, if I am correct, the two CM are Orchestrator/Box-to-box, but the orchestrator can be a Creative Playmaker also? And, is not needed to put Deep line od DMF if is an Anchor man when using Destroyer on CB. Also, the two CF are Deep lying FW, or can be other type also?
You understand everything except the FW, they can be any playstyle as, its just ideal to have at least one of them (including the SS) as a DLF
@@rockchok9 tnx for the clarification
what formation do u think counters this one?
is quick counter??
all is good and well when the game works as intended and players make runs and don't stop midway. Look at opponents AI defensive line during your move at 1:45, lol what is that? You are explaining it like you did something special there, but there is so much help/handicap in this game it's ridiculous. If you didn't get help there you wouldn't even get a shot. Even then his Van Buyten should block the shot, but it goes through his legs. He has 7 players in around the box and you haven't played through him to have a decent chance and yet you score. Look at Van Buyten Through your whole "move" he is deliberately making your players onside while also not marking messi for a short pass looool. I'm not gonna get into how the fullback should have stayed on Messi the whole time it's just too fun to watch. With the amount of help you are getting there you should be able to play through him with ease and score a tap in, but in the end it doesn't matter what you do because the game intended for you to score anyways so it's almost impossible to make the "wrong" move and also it's impossible for him to stop it. You can also look at his other players as well there like de paul covering then stoping to make space for you etc. I can keep dissecting other situations you showed or should I got to full matches and actually show the differences between two teams AI on any given they and how much they help/hinder chance creation
Don't waste your breathe explaining this game..all you have to do is laugh...the game is so bad that you know when the game wants you to concede and when they want you to score... youre just a vessel holding a controller...the end result of the game is determinant on them and this is so prevalent in this current state...most people with 4-2-1-3 and then quick counter just simulate unrealistic passes going forward and there must be an opening..either by the ball ghosting through your defender whos asleep or the ai breaking your defensive line and playing big time messi onside whos as dangerous with either foot from any angle... there's no loophole round this game..just play it..laugh..win some..lose some..and go do something else with your life
calm down
@@ebubemuoneke4259 exactly. I understand he is making content with these videos about tactics but in the end it doesn't matter. I wish these youtuber made videos complaining about that . Also I'm curious to know about how the game stopped lagging for him overnight? I guess konami put some server near him and made it much better for him? since that plays a huge role how the game behaves
Stop whinning 😭
wanna play 1v1?
My team is too shit for this to even work because they become disabled against full booster teams
My boosters become disabled vs shit teams. Lots of people will agree here.
@@JS-rh4pn shit severs and script absolutely agree.
This strat works for me. Except against cheat codes like bullet header and blitz curler 😂
Bullet meh not really, but blitz curlers are op@@nevermore6540
Im top 300 using posession 106 messi at cf
Hey man, I have a problem. when passing or through passing , sometimes the under bar line turns into purple and it passes so slowly that most of the times I loss the ball, smart assist is also off. is the any way to turn this feature off?
great content by the way,, keep it up.❤❤
You are doing stunning passes, happens when you press pass and sprint at the same time (on console, not sure about mobile).
I used to always do the same when I started playing. Unfortunately you can't turn it off but once you understand why its happening its easier to avoid
@rockchok9 tnk❤️
@rockchok9 thank you so much ,,just tried it and it's working properly ,,,I drove me crazy for a couple of days 🙃
No matter what formation you use when DDA starts working against you.. ain’t nothing you can do
If you have albertini try him on DMF/CMF in vierras Position.
Can I use Messi creative playmaker version as ss, as he can pass, score and driblle past defence as well
Can I use Long Ball Counter With that ?
Yes I tried LBC since. Thought it was very effective
Problem is I don't have Proper
DMF, my team always lack coverage in mid after loosing possession.
Most important position tbh. If you spend money on the game it’s worth investing in either vieira or rijkaard depending on which play style you prefer
just get a base anchor man dmf
Tchouameni zakaria or rodri
whats the pirlo build?
I was thinking the same thing
Bro its perfect , i have played some few div 3 games and i have not loose any of them . But how about those who play 424 long ball counter ???
You will be fine vs 424, your deep line dmf means you will have 5 defenders vs his 4 attackers
It's very funny when people explain how to play a cell phone game 😂😂😂
Yo bro did you test out the formation I sent you with all the instructions ?
Nah was working on this video. I'm going to try out new tactics now
@@rockchok9 alright mate, the first voice notes I sent you trying to explain the formula didn’t record my voice I forgot to switch from headset to controller mic, so I just quickly explained the idea behind the tactic in the last voice notes , I’ve tested out the formation with different players and play styles but ultimately you do need a certain crop of players for the formation to work
Great content, I like your videos. I have a question, it works with possession game?
im still mad at myself for not taking xabi alonso
lol this is exactly the tactic im using - but with dechamps
What do you mean by inactive playstyle? How is Romario's playstyle inactive if he's at SS?
i think FITB only works as solo CF
@@LGKikko13 FITB?
@@justmightbeokay fox in the box bro
@@LGKikko13 ah ok cheers
Bro nice video , please pp for pirlo ❤
Can I use viera but anchoring at dmf?
Insane yap
So i hear this correctly? Are u man marking your opponents defenders with your attackers?
I heard the same
Didn’t understand that part either.
No I'm not. I'm saying when my cfs get marked the ss will be free in the middle
@@rockchok9 ok thank u for clarifying that.
why is nobody talking about the new patch uestrday they nerfed shooting and gameplay is way better more fair
Good im 2 xs CMF no AMF
wdym by non playing style bro
At 1:45....mans players where totally asleep...must have put counter target cause wth
Is IT ok If i have matthaus orchestrator
Yes
@@rockchok9 can he still play the box to box role as i like big time kimmich as an orchestrator more
Does this only work on QC or would LBC work bro
Someone else commented they are using the same but with LBC so I assume it does
Dude, this is fucking "legends" division😂😂😂 You think everyone invested hundreds of pounds in this money sucking joke?
When playing against legends, my CB instructed to clear the ball, let i fall on his head and monekying around the ball just for Gullit to be able to run almost half pitch and steal the ball and score.
Man marking or tight marking doesnt work on "230" legend cards, CBs leave the center of the box just to be sure opponent CF has a clear way to the goal.
Its all pay to win. And i dont want to invest my moeny in a game.
Good vid but its not anti meta . The meta is quick counter or long ball counter , thats it the rest is preference.
Definitely don’t want to play you 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Its great having these video but lets me honest- the game is rubbish with 80 interceptions per game as avg. Awful passing and aggressive Ai defending even if you are playing on-line!
It's just a shame you still can't consistently beat p2w god squads via formations, tactics and equal skill. Doesn't matter what formation you play when your opponent has every single epic card in the game, of which 95% of all players above div 3 have. Literally have not played vs a single team rated lower than 3.1k this season.
This is the most boring football game ever created at this point. Spend money and you have fun.
Skill issue
@@ShaunMbati Bot reply.
@@IsSalty your comment is a bot comment,plenty of players that are f2p and consistently get high in divisions.Get good.
@@IsSalty your comment is a bot comment,plenty of players that are f2p and consistently get high in divisions.Get good.
@@ShaunMbati I'm div 1 with a f2p squad. I never once said that you can't get to div 1 with a free squad. Please improve your reading comprehension. I said you can't consistently beat P2w god squads via formations, tactics and skill, because when skill is similar, pay to win cards consistently produce better results, and the entire game runs on P2w.
My current rank rating is 1900 with a purely free squad, I have not played a single game this season against a team with a squad rating of lower than 3100. Not a single team.
Next time try actually reading before responding.
your meta tactics is paying a lot of money to EFOOTBALL for coins