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MEGAZOOM Battle! Canon R5 + 100-500 vs Sony A1 + 200-600 In The Field! Does FLEXIBILITY beat REACH?
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- Опубликовано: 7 авг 2024
- So many INSANE results to share with you guys! Canon R5 & RF 100-500 vs Sony A1 & FE 200-600, which combo has the EDGE for bird photography? Do the small size & flexibility of the 100-500 starting at 100mm beat the larger Sony 200-600 which can go all the way to 600mm?
Let me know in the comments what you think! Which combo has the edge? Have you used either of them? What's your experience?
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This is the equipment I use:
Canon EOS R5
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Canon EOS R6
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TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 Intro
2:08 Weight & Size
2:35 Internal/External Zoom
3:37 f-Stop
3:52 Lens Foot
4:41 Lens Hood
5:27 Filters
6:04 Control Ring/Buttons
6:34 Issue with Sony buttons
7:30 Minimum Focusing Distance
8:10 Image Stabilisation
8:40 Huge Difference for Video
10:03 Active Steady Shot
10:58 Autofocus
10:03 Image Review
13:54 Image Review Extenders
16:06 Issue with Extender on 100-500
17:35 Which combo is better with extenders?
18:03 Image Review - Action
18:59 Image Samples
20:30 Eye AF difficulty
21:55 Image Review Favourite Image
22:15 Edited Image
22:42 100 vs 200mm - huge difference!
23:48 Flexibility 100-500! Sample
24:06 100 vs 200mm Sample
25:22 200-600 isn't 600mm??
27:03 Issue explained
28:42 Sony shorter at 500mm than Canon?
29:00 What's worse not having 100 or 600mm?
29:47 Which one is the one for you/me?
31:01 Pricing
31:47 Final Thoughts
I really like that you cross-compare across camera brands and that you don’t declare definitive winners. You state the strengths and weaknesses in both and use the equipment in real-world situations rather than in a lab or controlled environment. So great videos as of late.
Thank you Clinton. That's exactly what I try to do. Use them how I would to get great images and then see what I like and don't like. Most of the time I don't find a clear winner, especially when the gear doesn't really match in terms of specs. So I just hope that it makes it easier for people to make the right decision when they're looking for new gear :)
Yes, I agree! It is so refreshing when there is all this brand warfare absolutism fanboy BS. I'm really impressed with the Canon as I like the compact design, lighter weight and better IS combo for video, and standard front thread size. The quirks with the TC don't bother me either. The minimum focus distance is a nice-to-have as well but not ranked very high for me. All-in-all a very impressive lens from Canon or my needs.
@@jan_wegener I was shooting both systems and watched this video before a trip to Costa Rica. I was going to buy one of these lenses and the size and weight was important to me so I went with the Canon 100-500. Was extremely happy with that lens. My trip companions had the Sony 200-600 and they also had great shots. Each have their pluses and minuses and this video really helped to determine what is right for me. Thank you Jan!
This is the comparison I've been waiting for! Thanks for a well considered and very nicely presented review.
Glad you liked it! :)
Really useful and well presented Jan. You made some extremely valid points about the flexibility of the two lens for both photography and video.it’s that sort of comprehensiveness, delivered from a pragmatic perspective that differentiates your videos from some others. Thank you .
Great comparison mate, it was a lot of fun trying them out in the field. I was very impressed with both kits. Cheers, Duade 👍
Thanks mate, we both were. There really isn't a winner, as we both would've liked to have both kits
Amnazing comparison and I really loved all the shots showcased! :)
Excellent. review. You handled some tricky topics really well in the this and as a result, the world has a top-notch discussion of the pros/cons of each system. I am loving my r5/1-500 setup.
Glad you enjoyed it! Appreciate the kind words. It was actually quite hard to compare the two systems.
Jan,
Thank you for this video. Your objective review, without all the dramatic hype in so many of the RUclips posting, is appreciated. You demonstrate your keen knowledge of camera lenses. Further, you are a master of photography and all your wildlife and nature viewers should appreciate the fact that you compared the lenses in real time on outdoor-not studio images and videos. Best of continue good health and magic light.
Thanks Ken :)
I try to be as neutral as possible, which is not always neutral enough for some :D
Jan, this is a very useful, and thoughtful, comparison. Excellent presentation! Thanks, and keep 'em coming sir.
Awesome video. I’ve been waiting eagerly for this comparison. Thanks for all the great insights!
Thanks for watching!
Fantastic review Jan. Your best yet. Super informative, detailed and to the point. Well done.
Glad you enjoyed it! Was quite involved to get this one done and bring all my thoughts into a watchable video :D
Interesting and fair comparison, thanks, Jan! I received a RF 100-500 a few days ago and I'm quite impressed so far! I wanted to thank you for making these videos available. I recently updated my old trusty 1D Mark IV and have a R5 now. Watching the video with your BIF settings saved me a lot of time, it's much appreciated! The way the eye-tracking works is quite remarkable, I'm sure I will have a lot of fun with the R5. Viele Grüße!
Danke! Glad you are enjoying the videos.
The eye-tracking is such a game-changer!
This is the first video I watch on this channel - very well done. To the point and detailed. Keep up the good work.
Much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed it
Great comparison video, as expected both combo deliver stunning results, but your insights to the differences are valuable.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Brilliant Video Jan, Very Helpful and Informative. Many thanks for sharing. 🇬🇧
My pleasure!
This is just perfection and hard work. Thank you so much.
Another super helpful video - I really appreciate all of the great comparisons you’ve made here between the zooms and in comparison with the 600m and 800m primes. The video capability alone has me sold on the Canon, along with the ability to easily pull back to shoot and film the surrounding habitat. I’m leaning toward the Canon 100-500 for run-and-gun shooting and the 600mm Canon prime for the days when I know I’ll really need the reach.
That's what I am using at the moment
Excellent review Jan. Thank you. Loving my R5 100-500 combo
Great to hear!
What do I value? Videos like this one. So complete and well done! Cheers mate.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video. Thanks.
I have an R5 and 100-500. I shoot a lot of butterflies and insects, as well as birds, and the lightness of this combo excels. Plus, its close focusing distance and the 100mm, well you know I am happy with this combo.
Thanks for sharing!
Definitely one of the most comprehensive and insightful review!
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome comparison and nice images. Thanks
Glad you like them!
This was super helpful, Jan. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
Really appreciate your series of videos covering the performance and pros and cons of the RF100-500mm lens, Jan. 🙏 They are excellent quality, really detailed and answer all the questions that a prospective purchaser like myself would want to know. I've done a lot of research and think I've read and watched every review possible! But your practical insights and real world experiences are so valuable and I've taken the plunge and picked up this lens at a good sale price. I think paired with the R5, this is a tough hybrid combo to beat in terms of flex and the new R5 Mk II should elevate to another level. Looking forward to really putting it through its paces! Thanks again 🙂📸
Very helpful comparison. I'm already quite invested in other Canon lenses. I really want something longer for birding and was considering adding a Sony body just to avail of the 200-600. But your illustrating the flexibility of the 100-500 really swayed me. Thanks for the well detailed review.
This is the only video I can find on RUclips to compare these two lenses side by side. Great job!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hello Jan Your smile in the first few frames of the film says it all, you were really in your element then and so lovely to see.
Really well done! I learned a lot.
Awesome, thank you!
Excellent video, unbiased real world revue, very useful accurate information. I haven’t made the move to mirrorless yet, still waiting for Canon to make a 200-600mm Lens option, I think I could have a long time wait.
So meticulously prepared and presented! Cheers!
Thank you kindly!
Excelent comparison Jan.
Excellent review, thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Very nice video, well done! I use the R5 and 100-500 plus 1.4 extender. I also have the RF800 f11 for extra reach
Thanks for sharing. Great lightweight lenses!
Very honest and practical comparison. Enjoyed every minute. Yes, It's quite expensive "toy", as you say 😉☺️
Thanks for showing us!
Kind Regards, Jan
Thanks for watching!
Thanks for the informative review, was tossing around the RF 600 or 800 but after watching your review have ordered the RF100-500, many thanks
Glad I could help
excellent review, thank you, Sir!
Glad you liked it!
Great video and a fascinating comparison, esp. with the 600mm F4.
Glad you enjoyed it. Yes, I found that quite interesting, too!
Best review I've seen so far👌
Glad you think so!
Great content and insight! Similarly I have the A7riv and my Tamron 150-500 just arrived. No teleconverter option, but plenty of MPX to play with and get closer in post. Cheers!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great comparison and considerations
Thank you
Jan just came across this Video, one of the best in depth videos on these two lenses. Having just come back from a two week birding trip and carrying around the 200-600mm with teleconverter Its very interesting how much smaller and lighter the Canon system is. Cheers again..
Great Thought provoking Video! I have both the both the Sony 200-600 and 100-400. I would almost like to compare the Sony 100-400 to Canons 100-500. I think both of Sony's lenses with my A1 are fantastic. Since you talk about Vidoe, I would love more posts about taking movies with Mirrorless cameras, getting started, settings, basic editing etc. I look forward to all your information, so helpful!
My next video is about taking video. Yes, it would be a closer comparison, but for what I do, the 200-600 is the much more interesting lens and the only Canon counter part is the 100-500
Excellent info ! ! 📸 💥
Glad you think so!
Another great video
Glad you enjoyed it
2 years later, but lovely and complete video, exactly what i needed to decide if i'd upgrade for sony or canon for my bird photos. (okay the lens isn't everything, but still O:) ) Anyway thanks for that!
Loved the video Jan, I have the R5 and the 100-500 lens and think it's great. I did try the Sony but hated the menu system. I also have just purchased the 800mm f11 and initial results seem good.
Thanks for sharing! Glad you liked the video
Thanks Jan a great video. At this point in my life I enjoy the less weight of the canon combo and the macro ability. I am sure if I was using Sony I would also be very happy and also a little poorer. Is there any difference between the two in focusing with the extender? You are right about the eye focus it is revolutionary. Also with the canon the video stability is a big deal. Would you consider doing a video with your video settings on the R5?
With my video settings?
Yes, the size & flexibility is what makes the Canon great. But as you say the Sony combo would be equally satisfying. I did find the Sony was a bit better with the extender when it came to consistently focusing
Great video. I love the action photos of the birds 😊
Thank you very much!
Jan, thank you for giving us such a comprehensive real world comparison between these two camera/lens combos. I currently shoot a Nikon D500/200-500 combo. I am in the market for a new camera/lens combo. I pre-ordered the Z9 and then cancelled the order due to the size and weight of that camera and the lack of a Z mount 200-600 lens. I am torn between the two systems you compare in this video. I am leaning toward the R5 RF 100-500 lens. I really like the close focus and the option of using the 1.4 teleconverter when I need the extra reach. Thank you again for this most informative video.
Hi Jan, Thanks for your informative camera equipment videos. I have a Sony Alpha 7 Mark 3 and it also offers me Animal Eye tracking. The camera came with the latest firmware installed. I am getting my 200-600 lens tomorrow. My kit so far is the camera with 28-70 F4 and 70-200GM F4 lenses. I will definitely add the 1.4 teleconverter to my bag in a few months time. I have several bird and animal photos from my time as a tour guide in South Africa. I also photographed some World Superbike racing at Kyalami in 2010.
Very informative and objektive comparing of the two lenses! If I should chose it will be the Canon R5 + RF 100-500. I think the flexibility, functionality and size are big +, and then I always have been shooting with Canon, and love there brand and system🌞
Thank you :)
The bird at 8:05 is like “okay dude just take the picture and move on” 😄
Very nice comparison video showing strengths and weaknesses of both systems. I currently am a Sony user using the Sony 200-600 with the A7riv and I use the 1.4x TC a lot. Am very happy with this setup for bird photography even though it doesn't have bird eye autofocus and only shoots at 10fps. Would be very interesting if you did a comparison of the R5 and the A1 with the 600mm F4 primes and the 1.4x and 2x TCs so we could see what you think their relative weaknesses and strengths are and which systems have the best reach.
Nice combo!
I might, when the RF 600 is out in the wild.
Reach would be the same imo, but maybe there's some difference with the different extenders.
Great information!
200-600+2×teleconverter great for moon pictures. I upgraded from a7r4 to a1 after several pictures with rolling shutter disappointments from the a7r4. The A1s auto focus performance has significantly increased my keeper rate.
Yes, A1 is a beast
Top notch excellent comparison. Thank you. Any chance you could compare Sony's 100-400mm GM vs Canon's 100-500mm?
Just recieved the 100-500 at the weekend and my 1st shoot got really close to a kingfisher down the local canal so got some great pics on the R7 until I lost the light as was late afternoon so lowlight f7.1 not good .can’t wait for a nice day and try again with some good light 👍👍
what a great video Jan! Such great information. I have a Canon 600 F4 Prime so there is no way I would consider a switch to Sony but nevertheless I find this review very useful to see what I am missing by sticking to Canon. Not sure if you have done a review of the R5 following the most recent firmware update. I am way behind in reviewing your great videos. You tube should provide a way to see them chronologically.... thanks again for this one. I always find something extremely useful in your production!
I have not done any videos but it, but installed the firmware a while ago
Very good job!
Glad you like it!
As I have the R5 I was interested in the RF100-500. But, your video is excellent for both examples. I really enjoyed your take on both systems. Cheers from Vegas.
Awesome, thank you!
I have made a few videos about the 100-500 specifically as well
Thank You for a fantastic review. I happen to have both of these lenses. Nowadays I use RF 100-500mm with the new R10 and max reach is actually 800mm.R10 has superb birds eye AF ,maybe even slightly better than my earlier R6. Only downside this noise ,so I have to use Topaz denoise for low light photos. I use FE 200-600mm with A7lll which is also a good combo ,but nothing beats Canons AF and Sony A1 is too expensive for me. Thanks to your review I will buy 1,4 tc for Sony and get the same reach as my Rf 100-500 with cropped body. Anyway the Sony combo is better with really low light.
Fantastic presentation. I love the on field comparison . I would love the r5 with 100-500 combination. Price , compactness , portability, easy to handle and eye tracking in video mode also . I noticed that canon photos are red tinged and Sony photos are green tinged . Can we do anything in the settings to get green tinge in canon r5 also ?
great video Jan, I actually went from Sony A7RIV with 200-600 to Canon R5 with 100-500 last year for a better bird and animal AF (A1 was not around then) and have been pretty happy with my decision. I was curious about A1+200-600 vs R5+100-500, even thinking about renting A1+200-600 combo to check out......
I wanted to add to your comment re: 1.4 and 2.0 extenders on 100-500, as I also discovered, there is a similar situation if you add tubes to 100-500. Using Fotodiox Pro 35mm extension macro tube to 100-500, the lens with autofocus only works in the long range, around 300-500mm, which is not a problem, because the idea of the tube is that you want to be able to get even closer to birds/insects than lens' 1.2 M MFD. The extension tube is very cheap on ebay, and it works like a charm on 100-500, as long as you know the detriments of using extension tubes....
I can proudly say I am now a student of the masterclass. Purchased my copy a couple of days ago🙏🙏🙏
Thank you! I hope you're loving it :D
As ever love these vidoes, can't wait to get my hands on Canon 100-500mm! Out of interest where abouts in Victoria di you take those shots as I am a visitor to Victoria from the UK, my daughter and her ever growing family live south of Echuca?
I consider the 2 combos winners probably the best options you can buy these days. If I have to pick only one of them it would be the R5 + RF 100-500 for versatility, price and weight. But can't go wrong with any of these two. Good job Jan!
Neither lens, by itself, is compelling enough to cause anyone to switch systems. If you like the Sony system, get the 200-600. If you like the Canon system, get the 100-500. Can't really go wrong with either lens. So far, there is no single perfect lens. I agree that the difference at the low end (100 vs 200) is more pronounced than the long end. I complement my 100-500 with the excellent rf800mm.
I am afraid I totally disagree. To compare any gear, you almost have to factor in price point into the evaluation. I mean if the difference is only slight, then fair enough. But, do you have any idea what is the price difference we are talking about here? I can only speak about my own geographic location which is Hong Kong. Perhaps because of the extreme lack of availability of the RF 100-500mm (may be due to the global chip shortage and/or COVID supply chain issues), the price has shot up to way beyond Canon HK's recommended retail. MSRP = HK$22,080 (US$2,841). Actual retail = HK$27,500 (US$3,539), essentially the price of another R5 in Hong Kong. As for the Sony FE 200-600mm. Actual retail = HK$12,380 (US$1,593). The price difference is US$3,539 - US$1,593 = US$1,946. In other words, the RF 100-500mm costs well more than double of the FE 200-600mm. Personally, I am of the belief reach is king. And if you are a Canon shooter which I have been all my life, you should appreciate the joy of using an internal zoom much like the old EF 70-200mm, buttery smooth zoom ring with an ultra short throw. So, when you combine that to a 2.2x premium, oh yes you can bet it matters and is more than compelling to make anyone switch systems. And to add, if you are saying you have on top bought the RF 800mm f/11 to complement the RF 100-500mm to make up for its short reach too? My goodness. LOL.
Actually the price of the 100-500L in Australia would make me switch to Sony if I hadn't already. Nearly $5K or 2x the price of the 100-400L and up to 2.5x the price of the 200-600 all for less reach and less speed. RF glass costs in Australia are ludicrous and I would have to use all my EF glass even if I did get say the R3. Such a shame as optically the 100-500L is good and it's light, but also silly restriction on the use of the 1.4x TC make it hard pass.
@@minusinfinity6974 Absolutely. Initially, I tried to do the responsible thing when the price of the R5 dropped to US$3.5K over here in HK, so I pulled the pin on one as I thought the A1 was overpriced. That was after I asked another RUclipsr who did a review on his own setup with a R6 and adapted with the Sigma 150-600mm. He told me it was fine, so I thought let's just adapt my own Sigma for now and worry about an upgrade later on. But, as it turns out, there are certain communication issues. As such, I have now ended up where I have ended up, namely a R5 without an ideal superzoom.
I was watching a local video on RUclips a couple of days back of a guy who rented a boat to go out to shoot some terns. They would throw bait into the water as the terns sweep down in close distance. So, he was saying how great the RF 70-200mm was. So, out of curiosity, I decided to check out and compare the price of the RF 70-200mm f/4 with Sony's own exact same lens. Boy oh boy, Canon = HK$12,800 (US$1,647), it is even more than Sony's FE 200-600mm! How is that even possible?! Then, I compared it to Sony's own FE 70-200mm f/4 = HK$7,480 (US$962), in other words the Canon is 71% more expensive. Is just ridiculous. To make the situation worse, there are no third party RF mount lens support. Sigma's RF mount lenses won't be out for a good while yet.
In the meantime, the A1 has also come down in price a bit while the R5 has in fact gone up slightly since I bought mine. Bottom line is this, even when you compare the combo lump sum, it has now become a very reasonably small amount. For that slight premium, you will get 30 fps, bigger buffer, no blackout, no rolling shutter, etc. More than reasonable right? So, yes I can definitely see myself selling out all my Canon gear to move across to Sony.
I agree with you Kevin. If you are not already committed to a system, then price plays a bigger factor. If you already have a lot of Canon gear or a lot of Sony gear. The respective lens from each system makes the most sense.
I also agree that Sony & Canon are so close atm that less and less people would see the need to switch brands based on one being far superior.
if you only want one lens and one camera then the price plays a huge role. Once you add multiple bodies & other lenses the whole calculation will look different again.
The 200-600 is the best value lens around, no doubt. Yet for me as a Canon shooter the cheap price has not affected any purchase decisions. Also because the only body you can really use it with is an A1 to me.
So if Sony brings out a camera that can compete with the price and specs of an R5/6, than the 200-600 will really start to shine, because then you can get a great combo for much cheaper. For now it's really a wash imo
Good stuff Jan. My first reaction is that I wish Canon went with a 200-600 over a 100-500, but I absolutely would not have traded that for the more compact form of the 100-500. I LOVE the portability of that Canon.
You and me both!
Sony 1s better
The Sony equivalent of the Canon lens is the 100-400 GM though, the 200-600 is the budget telephoto zoom.
very well explained 👍🏼
Glad you think so!
marvelous review！
Glad you liked it!
This was fantastically useful video. I love the lack of drama and hype in your videos. They are fast becoming my favourite source of birding information on youtube. Thank you for your content.
This lens was the only part of the Sony range I felt bit like I might be missing out on when I chose the R5. These are two great systems and each will suit someone but after watching your video I'm happy that it confirmed my choice of Canon for my circumstances.
Great to hear!
It's my favourite lens atm
An honest and factual video as always buddy, Canon R5 and 100-500 all the way for me.... great stuff buddy!!!!
Thank you!
i love my canon rf 100-500, an the 800mm
Same here 👍🏽
Have you compared the 800mm f11 to using the 1.4x tc on your 100-500?
awesome set up! So lightweight! Thanks for sharing!
that's actually pretty close I'd say. Although I would give a slight edge to the 800. Personally I have gone with an extender for now, but I also have to lug a big 600mm prime with me around already.
Me too. 👍🏼
Excellent video and comparison between the two lens. Your findings are very interesting. I won’t have issues with either combos. They both are great. I own an R5, the RF100-500 is an outstanding lens. I brought it to my recent vacation where I hiked a lot. The 100-500 has great flexibility. I was able to take wild flower shots (top view) by standing on the trail. With Sony 200-600 minimum focusing distance being 7 ft or so, I would not be able to do the same.
Yes, both combos are great. If you are after flexibility the Canon has an edge.
Did either of you ever consider using extension rings to shoot flowers at 200mm with the the Sony?
Get the Sony 100-400 gm. It’s much better than the canon
Wonderful video Jan, and I really got a lot out of your Master Class editing! Question: re: The A1 and 200-600mm w/TC (which I own and use) do you find it helpful and do you get more consistently sharper images when turning off the IS at the lens when shooting faster shutter speeds, say 1/2000 and up, or do you switch the mode? It may be my imagination, but I have been leaving mine on setting 1 but I seem to get better images at 1/2500 than at 1/3200 or 1/4000. Enjoy your videos!
That's awesome to hear!
I usually leave the stabilisation on. But I didn't do a direct side by side to see if there's a difference.
Ultimate comparison 👌
Thanks
Great video, as always! Very interesting to see the difference in video. I have the A9II which is very shaky in video and I was thinking if the upgrade to the A1 would be worth it, but your video answered my question. I did try the R5 and had stabilisation problems with video, but maybe that is because I used a monopod and the system got confused by it. It starts very smooth and after a few seconds it starts shaking. I haven't tried without the monopod.
Thank you. Interesting. The IS can get confused sometimes, but it only happens rarely. I think the more stable you can be the better. The worst seems to happen when the camera tries to stabilise something that's not really there. That's what seems to happen with the Sony.
If you use a monopod, IS mode 2 might be the better choice.
Which lens did you use?
@@jan_wegener I used the 100-500 at 500mm with maximum stabilisation in camera (extra crop)
Maybe IS mode 2 would be better, I haven't tried it.
@@jan_wegener I would be very happy to get footage as stable as yours. Also the eye focus in video is a great feature. For me that would be a reason to switch to Canon. In many situations I can't use a tripod so being able to shoot short video clips handheld is important to me. Did you use the normal stabilisation in camera or the extra stabilisation? (Sorry I can't remember what the video modes are called)
What I find annoying with the Sony is when changing to video mode it is still in the shutterspeed/aperture/iso settings of the photo mode. So it takes time to change it.
I must admit that for photographing animals other than bird I like the Sony eye af better. I miss the the single tracking point in the Canon.
I guess the perfect camera doesn't exist 😉
@@LindaSmitWildlifeImpressions I only use IS&IBIS, no electronic stabilisation. But I think some of it is breathing and holding technique as well to keep it stable for longer period of times.
Yes, Canon solved that issue on the R5 very well, because you can select the settings first and when you press record it will record with those settings and not the photo settings. On the Sony all they needed to do, at least on the A1 is to rework what the record button does. But maybe that's not possible with cameras that have a dial?
Yes, we will likely never have a camera that ticks every single box for everyone.
I use the 200-600 with the A7RIV. Alas, no Bird Eye AF. Went shooting with my brother and his R5 and 100-500. What a difference that feature makes! I found your review to be spot on!
Yes, it's a game changer
Great video! I have both cameras mentioned in this video, and the 100-500 (but no 200-600), and I was wondering what am I missing. It turned out - not much... :)
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I use the A1/FE200600 and it does great in good to decent light. The Canon is fantastic as well.
Great video, Jan! I was wondering, have you made any adjustments to the AF tracking cases on the R5 since your settings video came out? I occasionally still struggle with losing tracking on complex backgrounds.
I have left them the same since that video I believe
Very comprehensive Jan and this just shows the differences in the different systems they both have their good and their bad. Which one for me you ask. Let us not forget the budget option Canon offer which l am more than happy with is the R6 with a Tamron 150/600 and 1.4 extender.
Exactly Scott. Thank you :) Yes, anything with an R6 is a pretty good deal atm.
I have the canon combo and with minimum focusing distance of 2.95ft, I am able to do macro photograpy as well as bird and wildlife.
Yes, that's exactly the flexibility I enjoy with it as well.
Glad that you like it up there in Queensland Jan, can’t wait till I get back that way! Whereabouts were you for this last Video?
you mean the rainforest one?
Not a Sony user, but I have the same combo in Canon. 600mm and 100-500mm which I find is a killer combo. Great flexibility in 100-500 and wow the 600 really is great and the backgrounds are like melted butter most of the time. The eye-detection on the R5 is great, only if the bird has the right (wrong) colors will it get confused. It's easy enough to fix most of the time. Nice review and comparison of the gear!
Thank you! Which colours have you had it struggle with?
Really enjoyable video Jan, covered a lot of ground. Reach is a big deal, but that 100mm at the short end is very useful. I have the old 100-400mm Canon and until recently it was
In use all the time. I now have the 800mm f11 as well and while I doubt the IQ measures up to the 100-500mm, it does work well. However,your results with the 1.4 converter and the
100-500mm may have me rethinking things.
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Thanks for sharing. I think it's pretty close call between the 800 and 100-500+1.4. One has more reach the other is the much smaller combo (just a TC)
Pity the sony A7 iv wasn't out then , ive just ordered that with the 200- 600 combo , £3,000 less than canon with extra reach and internal focusing it's a no brainer
Yes, cameras evolve quickly
Good job on the comparison. I was wondering about the bokeh of both, i have the sony setup and my only concern is the bokeh compared to my old canon 500 f4. One other consideration is with using the sony there is less impact with dust given the internal focus. I also find that i leave the 1.4 on as the focus is fast and accurate and IQ seems the same on/off. Your thoughts?
Klasse Video Jan, super informativ! Tolle Arbeit! Vielen Dank! Ich selbst habe seit einem Jahr das RF 100-500 und gebe es nicht mehr her. Was würdest Du zu der Combo R7 und dem 100-500 sagen! Würde Dich da ein Test reizen? LG aus Deutschland!
Very interesting Jan, and very helpful to those of us who are in the market for one of these. For me the video capability of the Canon is far superior especially with the ability to stabilise the long lens. That’s why the R5 has to be the one for me
Glad it was helpful! And thanks for sharing your thoughts
Hi Jan, another great and useful video. I hope you do not have bias opinions regards to Canon.
I am looking into buying this 100-500 lens. I do not make money from my pictures so I have it’s worth my money and time. I get from your video you get better value for your money. Thanks always enjoy your videos.
I think it's an amazing lens
Great video ! I have actually used the Sony 200-600mm its a great lens Specially for the money , I love the looks of it and that its an internal zoom , YES while hand health at 600mm the lens gets hyper lol but I am sure with the monopod or tripod would be great , how ever -- at 500mm it was very steady.
Thanks for sharing!
The Sony 200-600 G is corrected for breathing which requires it to decrease in focal length with closer focus. It is not a consequence of internal focus or being a zoom. Breathing correction is a great feature for video and AF performance. Primes can also be designed to reduce breathing.
Perfect show by perfect Photographer
Thanks!
Hi Jan Super Video mit allen Facetten und detailliert, top! Ich hab heut jemand der auch Vögel fotografiert zufällig getroffen und über dich gesprochen und er sagte du seist eigentlich aus Berlin!? 😳 Das ist ja witzig das hört man gar nicht so richtig. Macht total Spaß deine Videos zu schauen kann man verstehen, dass du da lieber in Australien lebst 😂👍
Ich hab auch die R5 allerdings mit dem EF 100-400 mm II L wäre bereit das ging das Sony vom Preis her einzutauschen aber das RF 100-500 aktuell einfach noch zu teuer. Vielleicht eines Tages 😃
Ja, komme urspruenglich aus Berlin. :)
I have the Sony a9 with the 200to600 the lens is outstanding for it’s price I film wildlife ! one thing to bring to peoples attention is when you do video work a internal zoom is much easier to balance on a tripod I’m going to get the a1 soon it looks amazing But well done to canon for catching up with the fast moving market
Thanks for sharing.
My choice is the Canon Eos 90D with the Sigma 150-600 Contemporary. That’s the most I can afford. And with an effective focal length of up to 960mm, due to the crop factor, I’m not complaining that extenders don’t work very well with my combo. Sharpness is more than acceptable.
Great :)
that is an awesome combo and very do'able for more people; 90D is awesome. I got the 80D before the 90D came out...then went straight to R. 90D would of been awesome to have.
it would be helpful if you do some video between Sony fe100-400 and canon rf100-500, and also the Nikon z100-400
Jan is probably one of the best guys to follow for tack sharp/best settings for at least the Canon, for me. Incredible!
Thanks for the informative bird photography videos that both you and Duane have shared with us! Since you use FastStone for culling images, would you consider posting a video on your setup/preferences? I see you have used it in this video for comparison but my photographer friends and I have started using it but are having a hard time finding a good Sony culling program, due to their small embedded JPG files. Of particular interest is the RAW tab in Settings. Thanks again and keep up the great work!
Which Sony camera? I was able to get large previews on the A1 but not A9 II. You can use the full RAW preview, but then it's super slow.
I ended up using bridge for the A9 which was a pain
@@jan_wegener Sorry, yes for the A9 II and good to know the A1 has full RAW preview in FastStone. Like you, I use Bridge or Photo Mechanic but require DNG conversion, which then ACR does not treat the same way, so I would need to go to original ARW file location, open it and process thru LR or ACR...a real pain and not so fun when culling 1-3k photos from a shoot. Bought the A9 II + 200-600mm while awaiting Nikon's Z9 release...it better have Bird-Eye AF, as good or better than Canon/Sony :-) Much appreciate your response and much success to you!
@@tedboyer5819 Thanks Ted. I definitely struggled with the A9 II Jpegs previews. Huge miss on Sony's part
Very eye opening. Thanks. As I just switched from the 5d iv to the R5, I obviously do not consider „defecting“ to Sony. Neither am I too excited about the rf 100-500, specifically for its slow aperture. I think canon should consider making an RF 150 to 500 f/4-5.6 with a built-in 1.4 extender. However, I guess Sigma’s 150-600 with rf mount is more likely to become available in a suitable time frame. Bottom line, for the time being, I stick with my ef 100-400 ii, which so far only rarely let me down, except for the lack of reach, that is.
I think the difference between 5.6 & 7.1 is not that huge in the field.
The 100-400 is a great lens, but as you say, having that extra 100mm is nice.
good luck waiting for sigma
When I'm going to purchase a Canon product for my R5, I dig up Jan's reviews. Accurate and professional.
Great 😊