Hello everyone, before you comment any questions, about the video, READ THIS: “How do you know if the videos are faked?” For all of the youtubers I showed in this video, I made sure that they had multiple clearly fake videos (opponent’s account was made same day/ a few days before/unregistered, few-0 ladder games played.) Click the reddit post in the description for more details. (Obviously not Blunder, Emvee, Aim Ect. Or Weedle Twineedle.) Please don’t hate on any channels shown, I honestly have plenty of respect for them all, it’s not easy to make entertaining videos. I’ll try to respond to any questions you all have about this.
i think youre right about this, but actually some modes do have newer more toxic people. AG tends to be the tier that has a lotta tilted and easily annoyed people. a lot of new players end up in it because they just dont want to give up their favourite legendaries.
@@gothifiedNew players spend a significant amount of time on team building. Naturally, they play at least enough ladder games to show up on their profile. Not like, registering a day before the video was uploaded and never using the platform again.
This was a good vid, but I’m like 99% certain speedge intentionally makes his videos as fake as possible, and I see them more as showing off cool fun strategies with a bit of comedy from the pretend dumb opponents.
It sucks that so many are fake, but I’ve gotta say, the worst vitriol I ever saw in a game was a dude on Showdown telling me in detail how he wanted to watch as my family died in a house fire. My crime? He got paralyzed and I crit. 💀
One time I clicked Strength Sap in Randbats against a paralyzed pokemon who I basically had no answers to, scuffed it out, and was treated to a multi-message screed about how I had "no honor." People really do take showdown that seriously sometimes
Was playing NatDex Ubers with a rain team and it was Zygarde 50% forme against Basculegion. Dude was absolutely salty and kept saying bad words in broken English and I believe Indian. He was still talking after 15 minutes of the game being over (timer loss). Funniest part was I was swift swim and rain wasn't up. He outsped BUAHAHAHA
Guys, I have to come clean: I faked all of these videos. This entire time, I was secretly the salty opponent that these RUclipsrs played against in every one of these games. I have deceived each and every one of you this whole time, and I am truly sorry for the damage I have caused.
It's OK, we forgive you. It must have been traumatising to watch your team of box legendaries lose to some guy with a Magikarp and a Pikachu so many times
Rip to The Garbodors, a former salt showdown player who when he tried to move on and make different types of videos his whole fan base turned on him. His videos were genuinely funny and he no longer posts because of this.
i was waiting for somebody to mention that guy. used to mod his discord server, he got into a fair bit of drama because he did not explicitly state in his vids descriptions that they were skits. he started doing that eventually, but only after many people called him out for it
@@skywardlink5195 I don’t really count someone who posts months apart as much of RUclipsr. I see that he has a recent series now (Pokémon Red) that is a weekly series, but he’s not a frequent uploader like he used to be.
Temp to my knowledge never really hid the fact these were fake either, as a bunch of the same names for opponents would get repeated across multiple videos.
The thing about Speedge is that he's actually kinda smart. Almost all his shorts have at least one moment where you say "wait, that's not possible". I remember seeing a Riolu taking 40% from Great Tusk's Headlong Rush. So you sit down and do the calcs, fins out the only way for that to happen is if the other player actively lowered their own stats, and you come back to call him out. Comments fuel the short's growth. He wants to be called out so he'll get more views.
Yeah, he does such obvious and such not obvious things to stage his videos that it captures the callouts from people who fall for the obvious ones AND the people who fall for the not obvious ones. It’s a dumb way to gain views and channel traffic, but it is a way regardless
@@byzantine5761 Nah it's not a "dumb way" It's THE WAY, getting people to feel some feeling/emotion as a result of your video is a way to get traffic. You're saying its dumb just b/c you dont like that ppl are falling for it
@@knes167 agreed. It's like how Belle Delphine gets her engagement. She uses rage bait to make people comment on how she's wrong about some pop culture thing or whatever. She knows what she's doing and she gets engagement out of it. Also the same deal with those fake mobile game ads that elicit rage because the supposed person playing is stupid and can't do something simple.
I used to watch Temp knowing well that it was fake, but his videos were just short and funny so i'd watch them every morning and laugh a bit. And that's all i wanted to eat my cereal really.
Agreed! I knew that most videos of this kind are fake because otherwise they would be getting taken down by the person being vs. against for "hateful content" which youtube does generally comply with. On top of that, temp regularly said as much in their videos at the end card but how many people really look there or at the desc or comment section? Its startlingly few.
They also most likely died off because National Dex AG was taken off the ladder for being "too uncompetitive", which was then supported further when Tera Electric Balloon Shedinja became a thing, as well as there being Mega Evolution, Z Moves, Dynamax, and Tera Types.
@@eidkristo6107 Damn and I thought education standards were miserable, Ohio University only requires you be good at a game to get into their higher staff???
I think the reason is pretty simple. With these salt videos there is only 2 videos you can make. Which is “bad player uses high stat mons and gets mad, when you do a set up sweep with a weak one or bad player doesn’t know this common interaction and loses” there rarely are any really diverse strategies available to do those “miracle wins” so they get stale really fast, once you have seen two or three you have seen them all. Furthermore the videos don’t have much personality inserted into them, like live commentary or showing the players face, so you can’t even get really attached to their personality either and come back for them.
only two videos? how could you forget the countless creative and original variations of "screen explodes when set up mon starts attacking" or "vine boom for every hit of a 6-0"
There is another: Make a purely luck based team (six level 1 mons who only spam 1HKO moves, or mons with only omniboosting moves and baton pass) then rerecord battles over and over again until you get a victory to stick and then bust out the fake salt.
Actually, the salt is the only reason i started playing showdown. I have a folder full of screenshots of people malding and every one of them is precious to me.
I haven't played showdown in ages but I enjoy seeing videos on the format, and I remember getting my vision of the community warped by this kind of content. Like I couldn't believe it getting this toxic, yet at the same time it wouldn't feel so crazy, given how easy it is to spread the behaviour from other communities. I'm glad the trend is mostly dead because I'm sure I wasn't the only one under this impression, and I value the good vibes and care you guys bring in contrast.
This genre has always sucked mega hard, there's just not much to say about it and im glad its no longer in my reccomended. I'll stick to my "[insert gimmick] then we battle" slop thank you very much. Cool to see it covered though, great vid!
I like the [insert gimmick] then we battle, albeit only so I can play along during the gimmick section and then stop watching once the actual battle starts.
*actual* Competitive Pokemon became much more popular since last year through their memes (i.e: starting with Live Wo-Chien Reaction, Chi-Yu's Insane Damage Calcs, Five Nights at Ursaluna's and other memes you can probably find at r/Stunfisk) promoting the competitive scene both singles and doubles instead of this cookie-cutter scripted showdown salt compilations which obviously precipitated the fall of this style of content.
@@IndexInvestingWithCole "That is wrong" >does not elaborate Do you mean it's wrong that temp got this person into Showdown? Cause if you know this person that's an awfully crazy coincidence Do you mean it's wrong that everyone knew they were fake? Because while not "everyone" did, it's so hidden secret that a good portion of his content is faked, mostly because it actually takes a pretty long time to find someone both bad enough and salty enough to make a video out of Or did you mean it's wrong that he beat an actual smogon mod with Lechonk, which is just something he actually did. Makes sense when you consider Temp was an OU mod himself.
It should be noted that not all his vids are fake, and he was often open about which ones were fake. This meant that he had enough legitimate experience with playing at severe disadvantages to actually get pretty darn good to win in those situations when he wasn't fixing the matches, so unlike any OU or up player he has enough competence to win at a severe disadvantage. The irony is that those OU council showdown mods themselves are match fixers (they outright staged a r/stunfisk user battle for a council seat that was impossible to lose), so when a match fixer whose actually competent shows up they crumble even with significant advantages because they're not actually good enough to win since what they usually do is just look at usage metrics while not doing much playing. Temt6t's match was the equivalent of a challenger in a boxing match who willingly tied one of his arms to be unusable and still dominating because it turned out that the competition was full of inept fixers the entire time.
OH NO sound Vine boom Among us sound WHY ARE YOU RUNNING meme Another vine boom Call of duty hit markers OOOOOOH reacting gif It's like these guys all have a folder of stock memes they share and use very thoroughly
The thing I hate the most about those videos was them creating the concept of a "legendary spammer." The main draw of Ubers is to use all the cool powerful legendaries and even now I still see people get upset at other for using teams of legendaries. Sure you can create an Ubers team without any legendaries, but there's a reason why UUbers has started to become a thing, because many of the pokemon in Ubers just aren't good in the tier, but are way too broken for OU
The amount of people that complain in chats like OU about legendaries is shocking. People are out here wanting regirock and glastier banned for having a fancy title.
I kinda disagree. There IS salt on showdown - it's just a different form. Nobody would accuse you of hacking but there's plenty of people who cry about luck - I remember this one guy spamming Spacial rend 5 or 6 times and crying about not getting a crit - another guy complained about not landing Focus Blast three times in a row. This kind of salt exists and it's quite common. It's just that it doesn't attract that many views.
Actually there's people who asks if you're hacking, but there's very few, I only found 2 myself, both with my spdef Gardevoir I builded to deal with the likes of Scarf Tapu Lele, Gholdengo and Iron Valiant. Both scenarios Gardevoir beat down multiple mons while taking almost no damage and they wrote the similar: " How is that taking no damage? Hacker? " And " Ok, you're hacking, how Tera Valiant deals less than 50% on Gardevoir?". But in fact most people who gets confused just asks what is her build.
i'll be honest and say that i binge watched these videos, and while i did find them entertaining, they also made me afraid of ever wanting to touch showdown, despite being interested in competitive, because i believed that everyone i lose to would begin to hurl abuses at me.
I've been playing for years, and 99% of the time, Showdown players are silent, aside from the occasional glhf and gg. If you get the unlucky gacha, you get creepy DMs.
I’m glad that the genre introduced me to WeedleTwineedle, who’s salt videos were edited well enough for me to look at their other stuff and see some actually insanely good strategies and team-building skills
@LemonLittleCup Magikarp: 10 ATK Feebas: 15 ATK 😱😱😱😱 Like, I appreciated the ones that called out stats that were nonsensical even in a vacuum (Onix having less Attack than Oddish, for a popular example), but the "this mon should technically have more Defense than this mon, who has 9 more base Defense" ones were getting a bit absurd. Speaking of, did you know Yanmega has 9 more base Defense than Nidoking?
I used to watch the Garbodors religiously. That man has changed me a bit, lol I will always say “liquidation” like how he did, and hell, when I see a Blissey I will immediately think of oran berry Blissey
@@LemonLittleCup like yeh he would Oblirate me in any tier And I am not even that bad in the game gen 7 had my best ELO but I believe he still wins. On top of that he is actually a pretty good artist too as if being that good at pokemon wasn't enough smh my head
Dude casually dropped half the agency as examples of positivity in the pokemon space. Draft is my favorite thing to see them all play and I'll probably start watching emvee each week in addition to pokeaim.
They used the content to rack up the subscriber count. I don't think they ever intended to do that kind of content for the long term, rather using it to create a platform for the content they actually want to make later on
There's another thing about this genre I find weird; I have friends who are the average "buy the game, play through it, maybe hunt for some favourites" and that's about as in depth as they go. I've had 3 friends, who know I into competitive, say "oh have you seen this guy get really mad!", and it'll just be a temp6t video. I've had to let all of them down and explain it's faked and there's zero chance they run into THAT many toxic people (there are some but not that many). Basically, these videos give Pokémon a TERRIBLE rep, to people outside the comp scene, since RUclips seems to love exposing people who aren't into comp to that content.
And it's just....not a real format in any sense. These videos perpetuate this idea that there are noobs out there "spamming legendaries" for free wins when there are, by design, ZERO formats where box legendaries are both allowed and also not required.
Ironically, if you play the console games then about 90% of the people are actually living stereotypes of Temp6t's fixed matches (full legendary spammers who immediately disconnect on losing). It's just that Showdown is the reverse where 90% of the people don't act like that so it's hard to find showdown salt but extremely easy to find console salt.
It might also be because the format that most of these videos have been on, National dex AG, was cancelled by pokemon showdown, and removed from the in-game ladder, which might lead to a smaller audience since many of the format's best players probably started doing something else
Hi Lemon, thank you for talking about this topic. I have been working on a documentary about staged salt's history for a long while now and I appreciate others bringing attention to this. Staged salt caused a lot of damage to showdown youtube in general, hurting a lot of genuine creators back in the day. I used to be an editor for a channel which made awful staged salt and feel a personal connection to this issue Keep up the good work, your videos are well made^^
From one aspiring Pokétuber to another, nice video! This video style genuinely annoyed me being so obviously faked. I've been playing showdown for 10ish years and never had all these "crazy salt reactions". Keep up the content!
Once I did find someone saying I should die of cancer I think (don’t remember that well), but I did run something pretty disgusting so… it wasn’t *completely* unwarranted despite still being something you should never say.
3:36 You're totally right about this. I mean, I don't know these people personally, but you can see they enjoy what they're doing a lot that I keep coming back to them and meme them. That's how you foster a community to me.
The closes I ever got to these types of people was one player being a bit snarky and another that was just role playing as Ghetsis with another team plasma character together in the chat.
I didn't think about it untill recently, but I play pokemon showdown a lot, and I barely get people who are salty in the chat. Like people will complain sometimes if they get crit a few times in a game occasionally but mostly they will just forfeit. No one has ever said something like hahaha my pokemon are way better than yours. You're going to lose.
Thanks for making a video about this! I would talk about this and how suspicious the content was with the new accounts and low battles in the comments of those videos and I always got jumped by people telling me “no people are just salty!”
I'm glad I only ever really got into Weedle's vids when I was first getting into showdown and its content, much more realistic depictions of what strategies worked and they did a great job at explaining how teams worked in their editing/post analysis. They've also been at least partially responsible for genuine meta innovations like self-proc Weakness Policy on dynamaxed pokemon starting in gen 8 (that item was introduced in gen 6 but people didn't really start using it until it became a running joke on their channel), shows they really have the chops to teambuild. That one in particular makes for a really good gotcha moment, creating those entertaining moments in the other videos on the actual ladder. A great example of this in action is the PU Alolan Persian vid, which I believe is their most viewed. They capitalized on U-turn being spammed on Mespirit in PU, flipping it on the other player's heads with the Weakness Policy + Rattled combo. That's how you make a flashy strat like that successful, actually adapt to the meta.
Funilly Enough I have actually ended up in Temp6t's videos. Twice. I was completely unaware I was fighting him since he was using alt accounts made for his videos. I appeared in his celesteela video and his slurpuff video.
Subbed. You had me at Little Cup. Also, you can find the real salt babies! HOWEVER, Showdown does crack down on player toxicity from time to time. Also you have to be really low ladder nowadays. I don't play showdown much anymore myself due to a lack of will to interact with sv's new breeding mechanics, so when I do, I get queued into the salty fellas every 1 in 20 games or so. Alternatively, you can just use para-wrap strats in a gen 1 ladder and the expletives won't stop flying your way. Even then, in my whole lifetime I've rarely found gold on the levels of WeedleTwineedle and Papa Garbodor. I've seen some peak rages, but never something quite as great "why gizzle?" For example
I kind of miss these, just because they were mostly fake didn't' mean they weren't well-executed fakes with good writing and editing. And they often showed off some interesting niche strats. It's sorta like 4chan greentexts or fake tumblr stories where it's not the truth that matters, but how well you tell it.
They actually were super toxic, they are heavily promoted to pokémon players who aren't into comp play and give them a really bad idea of what it's like. They're not very convincing either, if you've played showdown for some amount of time you can tell they're 100% faked since there's simply not that many toxic people. It's just cringe click farming.
They're not well-written at all. They're actually kind of insulting if you've played in Showdown for a while. There's a reason why gimmick strategies remain gimmicks. They're not good. I get that we all feel the need to innovate, and these salt videos prey on that, but you can't get past midladder with cheese strats because opponents by this point aren't stupid. They'll know what you're trying to do based from experts alone. These salt videos treat the average Showdown player as skill-less and that their own genius strat is what separates them from the sheep, which doesn't sit right with me. Of course, innovation is also a key into getting to the top. There's Pinkacross, who topped the ladder multiple times with unconventional teams. But Pinkacross knows what he's doing. He spends a lot of time perfecting his teams and he doesn't treat an average Showdown player like an idiot and thinking he's always ahead of them.
Yeah a lot of these were always obviously faked. Idk about all of them, but the banter seemed to try a little too hard to act the role of "angry child". Mind you, I don't know the audience of competitive Pokemon (I haven't played a Pocketman since Platinum), but I imagine Pokemon's audience is grown ass men(/women) in general LET ALONE a competitive scene.
I'm sure the vids are terrible to make, but the content was also extremely stale. Like you said, you couldn't even tell any of the salt youtubers apart. It's easy to crank out videos when you're faking them. The ease of production paired with the number of people making videos caused the content to become repetitive very quickly.
Honestly the sfx idea with vgm in the background was cooler and drew me in more than the salt ever did, now I do something similar w shorts for a different game
Why would anyone think they're not fake? Stuff like this exists for over 10 years with Minecraft, CoD. Anything that can be played online. Nobody said it but everyone knew it was fake.
I started playing Showdown because I liked watching the Showdown vids, and was (and still am) primarily interested in goofy team building hijinks. I'm not really interested in competitive gameplay, I'm just here to make teams that are either fun to play, have a theme, or fit a character I like. I have no real skill, but that's fine, as I'm not really here to win ACTUAL battles! That's scary!!! I'm here to make a gimmicky team consisting of 1 or 2 stall-mon, and a HighSpd Whirlpool, Perish Song, Flip Turner Male Primarina named King, and laugh while my brother (the willing player I test teams on) shouts from the other room after his Mega Sceptile gets bodied by a strat I lovingly call "The Royal Flush".
Closest thing I've encountered to actual showdown salt was when someone repeatedly asked if I was a girl and then started calling me gross sexual things that I will not repeat. Also the time someone called me a legendary spammer (we were playing ubers and they also had legendaries) and then said "no gg for calyrex user :(" after I won, but that was funny more than anything (it was doubles, where Calyrex isn't *as* unfair, hence why it's allowed)
These are the ones that really get me. The other day someone randomly challenged me to an AG game, I 6-0ed them with shadow rider, and they called me a cheater for using broken legendaries. What do people expect when they load up AG? That's literally what the tier is for!
I think it also has something to do with the Anything Goes tier change. I don't remember what happened, but I remember there happened something related to AG SV in Pokémon Showdown.
Personally I never got into showdown salt videos because of the obnoxious over-editing that was driving me nuts. I know it's part of joke and all, but it still was super annoying for me.
Temp was a genuinely talented player and tbh I kind of miss him, but at the same time I’ve kind of just moved on from that kind of content, but I never would’ve started playing again without him
Literally do not care that they are fake, but I liked that you talked about this topic. Actually my favorite video on the entirety of RUclips (at least for gaming) is Temp's 'Trolling with fake stall' video. The music, the dialogue, the edits and voices are all just great, I love that fking video and I've watched it nearly a dozen times. Maybe I can reference another similar situation that had seemingly taken ahold of everyone? The Dream manhunt craze? Not immediately did everyone know that it was fake, but it quickly snowballed and it was super entertaining and then no one would really even care, at least the people who were enjoying the videos didn't. Let's not mention the stans though. The Speedrun videos are a different story ok, but I compared the manhunt videos to wwe wrestling or a tv series, like of course it's fake but it was still fun to watch. And its the same way with showdown. Though something that probably works in my favor is that I am an enjoyer, not a fan of Pokemon battles. I don't battle myself online or on showdown, so the dialogue was the only way I could tell if it was a genuine battle (speedge, the videos were a little too over the top.) Anyway yeah, its a video format that came and went. Kinda miss it, kinda understand that it was played out/ tiring for them to produce over and over, but I'll still occasionally return and rewatch a few of the most memorable ones.
Never saw a single one of those videos. And I don't mean I ignored them, I literally never saw those videos in my recommendations despite watching a lot of Pokemon content.
I feel like even the more infamous ones like temp6t started out legit, but it's pretty obvious as time went on it's fake, or at the very least, it's people hamming it up for the camera. I'm on showdown and I roll up on someone like temp6t? You better believe I'm breaking out all the salt I can find. But yeah, pelple generally aren't that salty. A lot of people don't even talk in chat. So how else would these guys get any content if it wasn't faked or people deliberately acting for them
This is the least surprising thing to me. Maybe its because i used to watch pimpnite who does the same thing with wifi battles or maybe its because i know its way easier to fake these videos and churn them out by the hundreds than to actually find that many salty players. This kind of content is barely better than all that ai generated contents that infests the shorts tab
Not sure how people couldn't see that so many of Temps vids are fake when almost every other video has someone going on an anime villain monologue. People just aren't really like that.
In my mind the downfall of the genre was simple. After a little while tempt was the genre. I know he wasn’t the only one, but I think he was such a driving force that when he stopped it was inevitable the genre would die. He also had enough legitimacy to keep the interest, even if many of his videos were fake.
I watched a few but I VERY quickly relaized that having seen 4-5 I had seen everything the genre had to offer. There just wasn't any reason to watch more.
While they were fun to watch, I always had a feeling this was not as real as the youtubers let it out to be. After a while I just started digging, and looked up the names of the people that people like Temp6t were battling. Most of them were these throwaway accounts that were made shortly before the upload of the video. Which was peculiar.
i quickly got bored of “toxic salty noob complains and gets destroyed on ladder” and found much more entertainment in “toxic salty pros complain and get destroyed on ladder” aka heatah fajita
Glad Freezai, Emvee, and Aim weren't called out. They put some crazy effort into content creation, and as someone who got bodied by Freezai on showdown and just left? Definitely makes me feel better knowing I got bodied because Freezai just out predicted MY predictions! Every switch i made was Garbo, and such!
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Hello everyone, before you comment any questions, about the video, READ THIS:
“How do you know if the videos are faked?” For all of the youtubers I showed in this video, I made sure that they had multiple clearly fake videos (opponent’s account was made same day/ a few days before/unregistered, few-0 ladder games played.) Click the reddit post in the description for more details. (Obviously not Blunder, Emvee, Aim Ect. Or Weedle Twineedle.)
Please don’t hate on any channels shown, I honestly have plenty of respect for them all, it’s not easy to make entertaining videos.
I’ll try to respond to any questions you all have about this.
i think youre right about this, but actually some modes do have newer more toxic people. AG tends to be the tier that has a lotta tilted and easily annoyed people. a lot of new players end up in it because they just dont want to give up their favourite legendaries.
They all wanted to be Weedle BUT THEY CAN’T.
I've seen salt RUclipsrs for mainline gams, example: PIMPNITE, do you think these are fake too?
@@gothifiedNew players spend a significant amount of time on team building. Naturally, they play at least enough ladder games to show up on their profile. Not like, registering a day before the video was uploaded and never using the platform again.
This was a good vid, but I’m like 99% certain speedge intentionally makes his videos as fake as possible, and I see them more as showing off cool fun strategies with a bit of comedy from the pretend dumb opponents.
It sucks that so many are fake, but I’ve gotta say, the worst vitriol I ever saw in a game was a dude on Showdown telling me in detail how he wanted to watch as my family died in a house fire.
My crime? He got paralyzed and I crit. 💀
Thats a pretty normal reaction if you ask me
Hmmmm tell me more
Sounds like average Halo 3/CoDMW lobby banter
One time I clicked Strength Sap in Randbats against a paralyzed pokemon who I basically had no answers to, scuffed it out, and was treated to a multi-message screed about how I had "no honor." People really do take showdown that seriously sometimes
Was playing NatDex Ubers with a rain team and it was Zygarde 50% forme against Basculegion. Dude was absolutely salty and kept saying bad words in broken English and I believe Indian. He was still talking after 15 minutes of the game being over (timer loss). Funniest part was I was swift swim and rain wasn't up. He outsped BUAHAHAHA
Guys, I have to come clean: I faked all of these videos. This entire time, I was secretly the salty opponent that these RUclipsrs played against in every one of these games. I have deceived each and every one of you this whole time, and I am truly sorry for the damage I have caused.
It's OK, we forgive you. It must have been traumatising to watch your team of box legendaries lose to some guy with a Magikarp and a Pikachu so many times
Based
And I was the Magikarp you lost to multiple times.
I was your Mega Rayquaza. You were a great trainer, but it’s better for me to move on. I have to return to the ozone layer now
@@oxygen3143 my dumbass forgot what the ozone layer was for a brief second and thought it was a drug den or something
Rip to The Garbodors, a former salt showdown player who when he tried to move on and make different types of videos his whole fan base turned on him. His videos were genuinely funny and he no longer posts because of this.
he still posts, and his new stuff is still good IMO
i was waiting for somebody to mention that guy. used to mod his discord server, he got into a fair bit of drama because he did not explicitly state in his vids descriptions that they were skits. he started doing that eventually, but only after many people called him out for it
@@skywardlink5195 I don’t really count someone who posts months apart as much of RUclipsr. I see that he has a recent series now (Pokémon Red) that is a weekly series, but he’s not a frequent uploader like he used to be.
He's the OG! He basically created and popularized the genre.
He barely made any salt videos so they were less likely to be fake. Maybe they were but at least it wasn't his whole channel
To be fair in Temp's defense he's genuinely a good player. He actually beat another genuinely good player... with a Lechonk
The lechonk only being cannon fodder:
Well I’m pretty sure temp6t used to be a council member, and to be a council member you need to be very good at the game
Temp to my knowledge never really hid the fact these were fake either, as a bunch of the same names for opponents would get repeated across multiple videos.
An OU Leader (Council Member) apparently
Ye he found a great niche and p decent editing skill+some good scripts. Add on to his legitimate skill in the game.
The thing about Speedge is that he's actually kinda smart. Almost all his shorts have at least one moment where you say "wait, that's not possible". I remember seeing a Riolu taking 40% from Great Tusk's Headlong Rush. So you sit down and do the calcs, fins out the only way for that to happen is if the other player actively lowered their own stats, and you come back to call him out.
Comments fuel the short's growth. He wants to be called out so he'll get more views.
You sir, are a smart human being.
Yeah, he does such obvious and such not obvious things to stage his videos that it captures the callouts from people who fall for the obvious ones AND the people who fall for the not obvious ones. It’s a dumb way to gain views and channel traffic, but it is a way regardless
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Nah it's not a "dumb way" It's THE WAY, getting people to feel some feeling/emotion as a result of your video is a way to get traffic. You're saying its dumb just b/c you dont like that ppl are falling for it
@@knes167 agreed. It's like how Belle Delphine gets her engagement. She uses rage bait to make people comment on how she's wrong about some pop culture thing or whatever. She knows what she's doing and she gets engagement out of it.
Also the same deal with those fake mobile game ads that elicit rage because the supposed person playing is stupid and can't do something simple.
@@Cyntaria
Ding ding ding
I used to watch Temp knowing well that it was fake, but his videos were just short and funny so i'd watch them every morning and laugh a bit. And that's all i wanted to eat my cereal really.
Agreed! I knew that most videos of this kind are fake because otherwise they would be getting taken down by the person being vs. against for "hateful content" which youtube does generally comply with. On top of that, temp regularly said as much in their videos at the end card but how many people really look there or at the desc or comment section? Its startlingly few.
@@yogfan1139 scary mixture; gullibility and the internet.
I just like listening to the sound effects like Cocomelon
i still watch his content even though its fake i learn a lot of strats because of him
@yogfan1139 i wasn't able to find any video where he admitted they are fake battles
They also most likely died off because National Dex AG was taken off the ladder for being "too uncompetitive", which was then supported further when Tera Electric Balloon Shedinja became a thing, as well as there being Mega Evolution, Z Moves, Dynamax, and Tera Types.
Assist Revival Blessing Liepard didn’t help
The only thing that could lead to an electric tera shedinja with a air balloon is hitting it with a switcheroo, trick, or knockoff, then a ground move
@@IronPikachu724well first, can’t hit it with knockoff if it’s Tera electric. Second, poison, burn, and sandstorm chip will still take it out.
the big one was revival cats.
@@IronPikachu724 it's immune to knock off.
The thing about temp6t, is he is still a good player. He beat a member of the OU council. Hopefully he posts some new content that isn't salt.
Actually, he DIDN'T beat the council. He only fought Ausma, not the whole council.
and he comes up with really interesting teams/strategies
Wasn't he also a mod at one point?
He also was an OU concill member at some point
@@eidkristo6107 Damn and I thought education standards were miserable, Ohio University only requires you be good at a game to get into their higher staff???
I think the reason is pretty simple.
With these salt videos there is only 2 videos you can make. Which is “bad player uses high stat mons and gets mad, when you do a set up sweep with a weak one or bad player doesn’t know this common interaction and loses” there rarely are any really diverse strategies available to do those “miracle wins” so they get stale really fast, once you have seen two or three you have seen them all. Furthermore the videos don’t have much personality inserted into them, like live commentary or showing the players face, so you can’t even get really attached to their personality either and come back for them.
only two videos? how could you forget the countless creative and original variations of "screen explodes when set up mon starts attacking" or "vine boom for every hit of a 6-0"
This comes down to Pokemon as a concept being fundamentally unchanged from what it was 25 years ago.
There is another:
Make a purely luck based team (six level 1 mons who only spam 1HKO moves, or mons with only omniboosting moves and baton pass) then rerecord battles over and over again until you get a victory to stick and then bust out the fake salt.
@LuisSilva-yc5fz And different gif on screen every 0.5 seconds.
YEA GUYS ALSO FROGOT THE NONSTOP SOUND EFFECTS
Actually, the salt is the only reason i started playing showdown. I have a folder full of screenshots of people malding and every one of them is precious to me.
I've also been playing a little bit ( gen 9 random Battles and gen 9 RU )
I've seen some really salty people through other games, so they do exist.
I haven't played showdown in ages but I enjoy seeing videos on the format, and I remember getting my vision of the community warped by this kind of content. Like I couldn't believe it getting this toxic, yet at the same time it wouldn't feel so crazy, given how easy it is to spread the behaviour from other communities. I'm glad the trend is mostly dead because I'm sure I wasn't the only one under this impression, and I value the good vibes and care you guys bring in contrast.
This genre has always sucked mega hard, there's just not much to say about it and im glad its no longer in my reccomended. I'll stick to my "[insert gimmick] then we battle" slop thank you very much.
Cool to see it covered though, great vid!
I like the [insert gimmick] then we battle, albeit only so I can play along during the gimmick section and then stop watching once the actual battle starts.
@@scootermcpeanuts6699 lmao same
*actual* Competitive Pokemon became much more popular since last year through their memes (i.e: starting with Live Wo-Chien Reaction, Chi-Yu's Insane Damage Calcs, Five Nights at Ursaluna's and other memes you can probably find at r/Stunfisk) promoting the competitive scene both singles and doubles instead of this cookie-cutter scripted showdown salt compilations which obviously precipitated the fall of this style of content.
r/stunfisk is probably the best subreddit to ever exist
Stunfisk is the only meme subreddit I still consistently laugh at and it’s only a meme subreddit 1/7 of the time.
@@thebestworst80022/7 of the time. We all know that Thursday is actually Sunday
I also like that every week or so there's a new shitpost mocking how godawful these showdown salt videos are
8 f u c k i n g ground types prob is the best one
Tempt6t got me into Showdown with his vids. Everyone knew they were fake, but when he beat an actual showdown mod with Lechonk, it was hysterical
That is wrong
@@IndexInvestingWithCole "That is wrong" >does not elaborate
Do you mean it's wrong that temp got this person into Showdown? Cause if you know this person that's an awfully crazy coincidence
Do you mean it's wrong that everyone knew they were fake? Because while not "everyone" did, it's so hidden secret that a good portion of his content is faked, mostly because it actually takes a pretty long time to find someone both bad enough and salty enough to make a video out of
Or did you mean it's wrong that he beat an actual smogon mod with Lechonk, which is just something he actually did. Makes sense when you consider Temp was an OU mod himself.
It should be noted that not all his vids are fake, and he was often open about which ones were fake. This meant that he had enough legitimate experience with playing at severe disadvantages to actually get pretty darn good to win in those situations when he wasn't fixing the matches, so unlike any OU or up player he has enough competence to win at a severe disadvantage.
The irony is that those OU council showdown mods themselves are match fixers (they outright staged a r/stunfisk user battle for a council seat that was impossible to lose), so when a match fixer whose actually competent shows up they crumble even with significant advantages because they're not actually good enough to win since what they usually do is just look at usage metrics while not doing much playing. Temt6t's match was the equivalent of a challenger in a boxing match who willingly tied one of his arms to be unusable and still dominating because it turned out that the competition was full of inept fixers the entire time.
Technically he didn’t even use the lechonk. He just sent it out to die immediately
@@everettw.9610 lmao you owned that Index guy hard, bro went hushed 🤣
OH NO sound
Vine boom
Among us sound
WHY ARE YOU RUNNING meme
Another vine boom
Call of duty hit markers
OOOOOOH reacting gif
It's like these guys all have a folder of stock memes they share and use very thoroughly
The thing I hate the most about those videos was them creating the concept of a "legendary spammer." The main draw of Ubers is to use all the cool powerful legendaries and even now I still see people get upset at other for using teams of legendaries. Sure you can create an Ubers team without any legendaries, but there's a reason why UUbers has started to become a thing, because many of the pokemon in Ubers just aren't good in the tier, but are way too broken for OU
The amount of people that complain in chats like OU about legendaries is shocking. People are out here wanting regirock and glastier banned for having a fancy title.
I kinda disagree. There IS salt on showdown - it's just a different form. Nobody would accuse you of hacking but there's plenty of people who cry about luck - I remember this one guy spamming Spacial rend 5 or 6 times and crying about not getting a crit - another guy complained about not landing Focus Blast three times in a row. This kind of salt exists and it's quite common. It's just that it doesn't attract that many views.
I do voice my frustration like when I missed play rough a 90% accurate move on a quad weak pokemon 3 times in a row
Yeah, there is salt but you got it exactly. It's more so being mad at rng than calling the opponent and noob and making fun of them
I missed 5 hypnosis in a row playing Violet once. Wish I bought a lottery ticket instead.
Actually there's people who asks if you're hacking, but there's very few, I only found 2 myself, both with my spdef Gardevoir I builded to deal with the likes of Scarf Tapu Lele, Gholdengo and Iron Valiant. Both scenarios Gardevoir beat down multiple mons while taking almost no damage and they wrote the similar: " How is that taking no damage? Hacker? " And " Ok, you're hacking, how Tera Valiant deals less than 50% on Gardevoir?".
But in fact most people who gets confused just asks what is her build.
Oh, I've been called a hacker, multiple times.
i'll be honest and say that i binge watched these videos, and while i did find them entertaining, they also made me afraid of ever wanting to touch showdown, despite being interested in competitive, because i believed that everyone i lose to would begin to hurl abuses at me.
Well, that's not true. Who actually abuses stuff is global mods, who get taken down by other global mods
opposite for me. im afraid of playing because i myself dont want to feel angry and lash out.
I've been playing for years, and 99% of the time, Showdown players are silent, aside from the occasional glhf and gg. If you get the unlucky gacha, you get creepy DMs.
At least temp6t won against a moderator
That was lit I saw that
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I mean, brother does have genuine skill
@@HenrythePaleoGuy dino guy
@@LemonLittleCup I mean yeah speedge very obviously fakes videos but there isn't much proof against temp6t
I’m glad that the genre introduced me to WeedleTwineedle, who’s salt videos were edited well enough for me to look at their other stuff and see some actually insanely good strategies and team-building skills
I’m glad this and the top 10 pokemon of x type lists have (mostly) died off
Yeah and the "pokemon stats made no sense." Those weren't bad, but they got pretty bad near the end
@LemonLittleCup Magikarp: 10 ATK
Feebas: 15 ATK
😱😱😱😱
Like, I appreciated the ones that called out stats that were nonsensical even in a vacuum (Onix having less Attack than Oddish, for a popular example), but the "this mon should technically have more Defense than this mon, who has 9 more base Defense" ones were getting a bit absurd.
Speaking of, did you know Yanmega has 9 more base Defense than Nidoking?
@@christiancinnabars1402aren’t they both squishy attackers? nidoqueen’s the tanky one
i'd expect the carapace of such a large insect to be hard@@christiancinnabars1402
I think, the thing about the salt videos is that once you've seen one you've seen them all, and that's very likely why the views for them tapered off.
I used to watch the Garbodors religiously. That man has changed me a bit, lol
I will always say “liquidation” like how he did, and hell, when I see a Blissey I will immediately think of oran berry Blissey
His were at least funny lol. I also have more respect for Trubbish now.
Salty noob thing is weird
Cause people like temp6 are actually good at the game
Yeah I mean ngl I'm 99% sure that temp would smoke me in any tier except maybe LC where I'd say it's only 66-33 for him.
@@LemonLittleCup like yeh he would Oblirate me in any tier
And I am not even that bad in the game gen 7 had my best ELO but I believe he still wins.
On top of that he is actually a pretty good artist too as if being that good at pokemon wasn't enough smh my head
Dude casually dropped half the agency as examples of positivity in the pokemon space. Draft is my favorite thing to see them all play and I'll probably start watching emvee each week in addition to pokeaim.
I just said channels that I like ngl, they're all fire.
They used the content to rack up the subscriber count. I don't think they ever intended to do that kind of content for the long term, rather using it to create a platform for the content they actually want to make later on
There's another thing about this genre I find weird; I have friends who are the average "buy the game, play through it, maybe hunt for some favourites" and that's about as in depth as they go.
I've had 3 friends, who know I into competitive, say "oh have you seen this guy get really mad!", and it'll just be a temp6t video. I've had to let all of them down and explain it's faked and there's zero chance they run into THAT many toxic people (there are some but not that many).
Basically, these videos give Pokémon a TERRIBLE rep, to people outside the comp scene, since RUclips seems to love exposing people who aren't into comp to that content.
And it's just....not a real format in any sense. These videos perpetuate this idea that there are noobs out there "spamming legendaries" for free wins when there are, by design, ZERO formats where box legendaries are both allowed and also not required.
Ironically, if you play the console games then about 90% of the people are actually living stereotypes of Temp6t's fixed matches (full legendary spammers who immediately disconnect on losing). It's just that Showdown is the reverse where 90% of the people don't act like that so it's hard to find showdown salt but extremely easy to find console salt.
It might also be because the format that most of these videos have been on, National dex AG, was cancelled by pokemon showdown, and removed from the in-game ladder, which might lead to a smaller audience since many of the format's best players probably started doing something else
Why was National dex AG cancelled?
@@DrawciaGleam02 prankster + assist + revival blessing, that extremely annoying strategy killed the format.
I hated these so much and always believed they were fake
Hi Lemon, thank you for talking about this topic. I have been working on a documentary about staged salt's history for a long while now and I appreciate others bringing attention to this.
Staged salt caused a lot of damage to showdown youtube in general, hurting a lot of genuine creators back in the day. I used to be an editor for a channel which made awful staged salt and feel a personal connection to this issue
Keep up the good work, your videos are well made^^
Best of luck in the documentary, and thank you! Nice comments like this mean the world to me.
It definitely hurt my channel. Could've grown big if I posted fake salt instead of covering tournament games
WE STAN WEEDLETWINEEDLE FOR BEING A REAL SLAY ROYALTY 🗣🗣🗣
Jim and you are definitely the most based out of the mentioned youtubers, have to love tier focused content, this is insane.
From one aspiring Pokétuber to another, nice video!
This video style genuinely annoyed me being so obviously faked. I've been playing showdown for 10ish years and never had all these "crazy salt reactions". Keep up the content!
Same for you as well, best of luck out there! I've actually seen a few of your videos and they're quite good ngl 👍
Once I did find someone saying I should die of cancer I think (don’t remember that well), but I did run something pretty disgusting so… it wasn’t *completely* unwarranted despite still being something you should never say.
wtf did you do if you get told that and think, "that's fair but still you probably shouldn't say that"
@@shinymetagross1666 It’s still mostly unwarranted. Like, it’s 99, a shit ton of nines after still goddamn awful
@@shinymetagross1666 BP Sand attack Ninjask in adv btw
Always wondered who even watches these videos. I remember getting clipls like that on tiktok and cringing real bad every time
Those videos were like magic tricks: we all kinda knew it's fake, but we stayed for the show.
Tempt just uploaded.
3:36 You're totally right about this. I mean, I don't know these people personally, but you can see they enjoy what they're doing a lot that I keep coming back to them and meme them. That's how you foster a community to me.
The closes I ever got to these types of people was one player being a bit snarky and another that was just role playing as Ghetsis with another team plasma character together in the chat.
I love how whenever we talk about Blunder we somehow always bring up the Pex Shamone, truly an Agency classic
I didn't think about it untill recently, but I play pokemon showdown a lot, and I barely get people who are salty in the chat. Like people will complain sometimes if they get crit a few times in a game occasionally but mostly they will just forfeit. No one has ever said something like hahaha my pokemon are way better than yours. You're going to lose.
Yeah the "salt" on showdown boils down to "nice crit" or maybe the odd "bad game" after missing air slash
They all be trying to copy Weedle so bad
Thanks for making a video about this! I would talk about this and how suspicious the content was with the new accounts and low battles in the comments of those videos and I always got jumped by people telling me “no people are just salty!”
I'm glad I only ever really got into Weedle's vids when I was first getting into showdown and its content, much more realistic depictions of what strategies worked and they did a great job at explaining how teams worked in their editing/post analysis. They've also been at least partially responsible for genuine meta innovations like self-proc Weakness Policy on dynamaxed pokemon starting in gen 8 (that item was introduced in gen 6 but people didn't really start using it until it became a running joke on their channel), shows they really have the chops to teambuild. That one in particular makes for a really good gotcha moment, creating those entertaining moments in the other videos on the actual ladder. A great example of this in action is the PU Alolan Persian vid, which I believe is their most viewed. They capitalized on U-turn being spammed on Mespirit in PU, flipping it on the other player's heads with the Weakness Policy + Rattled combo. That's how you make a flashy strat like that successful, actually adapt to the meta.
"If you didn't have a counter to it you would've won anyways" The so-called "counter" got haxed to hell and back I would've been mad as well
Definitely one of the bigger dark times in pokemon. But at least it gave us some cool people like freezai who would eventually move past that
Honestly I simply enjoyed the comedy temp6t in particular I knew it was fake but it was a good laugh while it lasted but it's time we moved on
That blunder comment is INSANE 😭
Funilly Enough I have actually ended up in Temp6t's videos. Twice. I was completely unaware I was fighting him since he was using alt accounts made for his videos. I appeared in his celesteela video and his slurpuff video.
Subbed. You had me at Little Cup.
Also, you can find the real salt babies! HOWEVER, Showdown does crack down on player toxicity from time to time. Also you have to be really low ladder nowadays. I don't play showdown much anymore myself due to a lack of will to interact with sv's new breeding mechanics, so when I do, I get queued into the salty fellas every 1 in 20 games or so. Alternatively, you can just use para-wrap strats in a gen 1 ladder and the expletives won't stop flying your way.
Even then, in my whole lifetime I've rarely found gold on the levels of WeedleTwineedle and Papa Garbodor. I've seen some peak rages, but never something quite as great "why gizzle?" For example
endevor oran berry blissey stomps ofc
@@SethRietdijk facts king.
I kind of miss these, just because they were mostly fake didn't' mean they weren't well-executed fakes with good writing and editing. And they often showed off some interesting niche strats. It's sorta like 4chan greentexts or fake tumblr stories where it's not the truth that matters, but how well you tell it.
They actually were super toxic, they are heavily promoted to pokémon players who aren't into comp play and give them a really bad idea of what it's like.
They're not very convincing either, if you've played showdown for some amount of time you can tell they're 100% faked since there's simply not that many toxic people.
It's just cringe click farming.
They're not well-written at all. They're actually kind of insulting if you've played in Showdown for a while. There's a reason why gimmick strategies remain gimmicks. They're not good. I get that we all feel the need to innovate, and these salt videos prey on that, but you can't get past midladder with cheese strats because opponents by this point aren't stupid. They'll know what you're trying to do based from experts alone. These salt videos treat the average Showdown player as skill-less and that their own genius strat is what separates them from the sheep, which doesn't sit right with me.
Of course, innovation is also a key into getting to the top. There's Pinkacross, who topped the ladder multiple times with unconventional teams. But Pinkacross knows what he's doing. He spends a lot of time perfecting his teams and he doesn't treat an average Showdown player like an idiot and thinking he's always ahead of them.
Bro your videos are so well made, def gonna pop off 😤😤😤
That's the hope 🙏
Yeah a lot of these were always obviously faked. Idk about all of them, but the banter seemed to try a little too hard to act the role of "angry child". Mind you, I don't know the audience of competitive Pokemon (I haven't played a Pocketman since Platinum), but I imagine Pokemon's audience is grown ass men(/women) in general LET ALONE a competitive scene.
This was so easy to believe because this is how Pokemon fans act in a daily bases.
These guys wish they could pull off anything as incredible to watch as Arcues-steel (arceus flying)
If a title of a RUclips video had the word FUNNY it is most likely a content farm.
0:20 Speak for yourself. I've encountered a few salt gremlins in my day. Though most of the time they choose to forfeit after insulting you
Arceus bless you for including music links in the description
I'm sure the vids are terrible to make, but the content was also extremely stale. Like you said, you couldn't even tell any of the salt youtubers apart. It's easy to crank out videos when you're faking them. The ease of production paired with the number of people making videos caused the content to become repetitive very quickly.
i thought everyone knew it was fake but watched just for the entertainment value in it
Honestly the sfx idea with vgm in the background was cooler and drew me in more than the salt ever did, now I do something similar w shorts for a different game
Why would anyone think they're not fake? Stuff like this exists for over 10 years with Minecraft, CoD. Anything that can be played online. Nobody said it but everyone knew it was fake.
What about pimpnite? 😢
this is just the wrestling of pokemon
0:57 The editing is just as obnoxious as I remember.
I started playing Showdown because I liked watching the Showdown vids, and was (and still am) primarily interested in goofy team building hijinks.
I'm not really interested in competitive gameplay, I'm just here to make teams that are either fun to play, have a theme, or fit a character I like.
I have no real skill, but that's fine, as I'm not really here to win ACTUAL battles! That's scary!!!
I'm here to make a gimmicky team consisting of 1 or 2 stall-mon, and a HighSpd Whirlpool, Perish Song, Flip Turner Male Primarina named King, and laugh while my brother (the willing player I test teams on) shouts from the other room after his Mega Sceptile gets bodied by a strat I lovingly call "The Royal Flush".
Closest thing I've encountered to actual showdown salt was when someone repeatedly asked if I was a girl and then started calling me gross sexual things that I will not repeat. Also the time someone called me a legendary spammer (we were playing ubers and they also had legendaries) and then said "no gg for calyrex user :(" after I won, but that was funny more than anything (it was doubles, where Calyrex isn't *as* unfair, hence why it's allowed)
These are the ones that really get me. The other day someone randomly challenged me to an AG game, I 6-0ed them with shadow rider, and they called me a cheater for using broken legendaries. What do people expect when they load up AG? That's literally what the tier is for!
like 95 % of showdown players don't even talk and just hit timer right away
Yeah, the worst parts about these videos is that the RUclipsrs don't seem to understand how trash talkers actually talk.
"bluggy wuggy make me so fertile when he wins pokemon battles"
I think it also has something to do with the Anything Goes tier change. I don't remember what happened, but I remember there happened something related to AG SV in Pokémon Showdown.
Personally I never got into showdown salt videos because of the obnoxious over-editing that was driving me nuts. I know it's part of joke and all, but it still was super annoying for me.
Temp was a genuinely talented player and tbh I kind of miss him, but at the same time I’ve kind of just moved on from that kind of content, but I never would’ve started playing again without him
I mean, I'm not that shocked they were faked. I just viewed it like wrestling where everything is faked for the watchers enjoyment.
I do see people get mad in showdown but never as bad as the obviously faked stuff
I've always hated this trend, but I can't ignore that it was successful.
unfortunate don’t even begin to describe
Literally do not care that they are fake, but I liked that you talked about this topic.
Actually my favorite video on the entirety of RUclips (at least for gaming) is Temp's 'Trolling with fake stall' video.
The music, the dialogue, the edits and voices are all just great, I love that fking video and I've watched it nearly a dozen times.
Maybe I can reference another similar situation that had seemingly taken ahold of everyone? The Dream manhunt craze?
Not immediately did everyone know that it was fake, but it quickly snowballed and it was super entertaining and then no one would really even care, at least the people who were enjoying the videos didn't. Let's not mention the stans though.
The Speedrun videos are a different story ok, but I compared the manhunt videos to wwe wrestling or a tv series, like of course it's fake but it was still fun to watch. And its the same way with showdown. Though something that probably works in my favor is that I am an enjoyer, not a fan of Pokemon battles. I don't battle myself online or on showdown, so the dialogue was the only way I could tell if it was a genuine battle (speedge, the videos were a little too over the top.)
Anyway yeah, its a video format that came and went. Kinda miss it, kinda understand that it was played out/ tiring for them to produce over and over, but I'll still occasionally return and rewatch a few of the most memorable ones.
Honestly, even if the videos werent faked, its so formulaic that people quickly get sick of it
I just kinda just assumed they were all fake, it was more of a clickbaity way of showing off cheese strats
Never saw a single one of those videos. And I don't mean I ignored them, I literally never saw those videos in my recommendations despite watching a lot of Pokemon content.
I feel like even the more infamous ones like temp6t started out legit, but it's pretty obvious as time went on it's fake, or at the very least, it's people hamming it up for the camera. I'm on showdown and I roll up on someone like temp6t? You better believe I'm breaking out all the salt I can find. But yeah, pelple generally aren't that salty. A lot of people don't even talk in chat. So how else would these guys get any content if it wasn't faked or people deliberately acting for them
“Unfortunate” doesn’t even begin to describe this genre.
This is the least surprising thing to me. Maybe its because i used to watch pimpnite who does the same thing with wifi battles or maybe its because i know its way easier to fake these videos and churn them out by the hundreds than to actually find that many salty players. This kind of content is barely better than all that ai generated contents that infests the shorts tab
Not sure how people couldn't see that so many of Temps vids are fake when almost every other video has someone going on an anime villain monologue. People just aren't really like that.
In my mind the downfall of the genre was simple. After a little while tempt was the genre. I know he wasn’t the only one, but I think he was such a driving force that when he stopped it was inevitable the genre would die. He also had enough legitimacy to keep the interest, even if many of his videos were fake.
weedletwineedle mentioned rahhhh
One of the best poketubers
2:36 As you can see, the Agency is up 5-1
Yeah lol that's my favorite agency meme ever
@@LemonLittleCup the agency has too many memes for me to choose a favourite
It was always pretty obvious.
I watched a few but I VERY quickly relaized that having seen 4-5 I had seen everything the genre had to offer. There just wasn't any reason to watch more.
wow its crazy how many subs you’ve gained in the past two weeks! keep it up
To your point, I didn't know there was more than one "salt" YTer.
The only rage story I have was that guy who started raging in our match chat becaue I apparantly had the Audacity to run Ally Switch.
I thought about streaming me battling random cause I really do be yelling and acting extra irl then just typing "ggwp bud"
While they were fun to watch, I always had a feeling this was not as real as the youtubers let it out to be.
After a while I just started digging, and looked up the names of the people that people like Temp6t were battling. Most of them were these throwaway accounts that were made shortly before the upload of the video. Which was peculiar.
i quickly got bored of “toxic salty noob complains and gets destroyed on ladder” and found much more entertainment in “toxic salty pros complain and get destroyed on ladder” aka heatah fajita
Pokémon salt channel when they find out revival cats (they are stalling the entire match)
Glad Freezai, Emvee, and Aim weren't called out. They put some crazy effort into content creation, and as someone who got bodied by Freezai on showdown and just left? Definitely makes me feel better knowing I got bodied because Freezai just out predicted MY predictions! Every switch i made was Garbo, and such!
WeedleTwinNeedle > rest
"if you don't like the videos you're making than just get a real job you don't like, it pays more" is a wild and very opening line that reveals a lot