Alternate Prestige and Growth Dialogue - KoTOR 2 Audio Files

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  • @MrChaosAdam
    @MrChaosAdam 4 года назад +237

    Hot take: Jedi fail to be human because they sacrifice their hearts for the Jedi ideals, Sith fail to be human, because they willingly and knowingly reduce themselves to a mere beast.

    • @xvirez6398
      @xvirez6398 4 года назад +43

      Exactly, I would add that the Jedi are slaves to their own ideology, while the Sith pretend to be the masters of theirs, when, in fact, both sides are tied by the same leash. The Force.

    • @kingnamor777
      @kingnamor777 4 года назад +6

      @@xvirez6398 because their war and conflict will never end until both orders end, the force itself is destroyed or Kreia plan was successful

    • @stronkhammer3565
      @stronkhammer3565 4 года назад +11

      The Jedi deny human nature. The Sith drown in it.

    • @OneOvBrokenHalos
      @OneOvBrokenHalos 4 года назад +1

      To be Jedi one must abandon humanity

    • @acethegray
      @acethegray 4 года назад +1

      That's a pretty cold take imo.

  • @torik9300
    @torik9300 4 года назад +143

    I wish there was footage of the actors recording their lines. I'm very curious as to what Sarah Kestelman's acting process for Kreia looks like because her line delivery is excellent. I can't believe this is the only time she did voice acting.

    • @whodaman777
      @whodaman777 4 года назад +29

      I am very curious too. A while back I spent some time searching the Internet but I can't find a single interview where Sarah Kestrelman has even spoken about Kreia. I wonder if she is even aware how popular the character she voiced is.

    • @evilriku1336
      @evilriku1336 4 года назад +8

      @@whodaman777 I actually hope someone can get in contact with her and show her the critical analyzation that has been made about her character and how many view Kreia as one of the most fleshed out and wise characters in video game history so far!

    • @themanicman8458
      @themanicman8458 4 года назад +14

      Wait this was her only time doing voice acting?
      So her first and only voice acting character completely stole the show that's damn impressive.

    • @Kraethas
      @Kraethas 4 года назад +9

      Saw her at the national theatre before lockdown kicked in. She was very good but the role was so limited compared to kreia, she didnt get to flex her full skillset.

    • @ThePoshboy1
      @ThePoshboy1 2 года назад +3

      @@themanicman8458 Yeah she's ultimately a theatre actor. Played the character of Kreia perfectly.

  • @TheNadohs
    @TheNadohs 4 года назад +101

    I adore the way Avelone weaves gameplay mechanics into the writing to make both a philosophical and metagenre point. Kreia describes quest givers and your player interaction with them. Take on their battles, use them, exhaust them to temper yourself and then leave them. The mechanics of the game nudge you into viewing others in terms of their personal utility to the player just as Kreia argues. I'd go as far to argue the player is a acting as a Neitzean Uberminch within the setting.

    • @armaan1091
      @armaan1091 4 года назад +5

      Ubermensch*

    • @TheNadohs
      @TheNadohs 4 года назад

      @@armaan1091 thanks, my german sucks

    • @Kevin-yq7ei
      @Kevin-yq7ei 4 года назад +2

      That’s not what the Übermensch is

    • @TheNadohs
      @TheNadohs 4 года назад +10

      @@Kevin-yq7ei I'd argue in this context the exile is as they are rejecting the 2 established moral codes of the Jedi and the Sith. They are the determined of their own values and achieve greatness as a result. These are classic features of the Ubermensch. Though Nietzsche is typically vague in his description.

    • @dzikripratama3776
      @dzikripratama3776 4 года назад +1

      Now Chris Avellone himself is an exile after leaving Obsidian. Hopefully be can reconcile with Obsidian someday

  • @Dovahkiin812
    @Dovahkiin812 4 года назад +91

    Honestly I think she’s totally right.

    • @TY-km8hj
      @TY-km8hj 4 года назад +6

      Of course

    • @splendidantoan
      @splendidantoan 4 года назад +12

      Influence gained: Kreia

    • @TonyfromTO
      @TonyfromTO 3 года назад

      Kreia WAS right about everything

  • @river9548
    @river9548 4 года назад +28

    Kreia is one of the most interesting character I ever saw in Star Wars universe. Her point of view is completely new, different from any other force user and so deeply worked on that you can only admire her philosophy and never despite it.

    • @Avenger85438
      @Avenger85438 4 года назад

      She's also one of the most selfish and cynical characters in the game. Using and disregarding them at her whim, resenting whenever her progress is hampered by the fact it's often in anothers hands, or when she's challenged on her outlook by others, even The Exile. Her philosophy is very intriguing but it's callousness as well as her own, can't be denied.
      Neither can the fact her (seemingly) ultimate goal was willingly bringing about mass death by destroying the very life energy of the universe because she hates the idea of it influencing her.

  • @AdrianoxLive
    @AdrianoxLive 4 года назад +73

    "From such critical points the universe and it's masses may be moved... You have seen it, you have felt it within you as you have traveled with me. The growing anger, the rage and the power it brings. Yet the power does not built without such struggles. From small cruelties, greater ones are born."
    Kreia being more current in 2020 than never...

    • @StoicSurvivor99
      @StoicSurvivor99 4 года назад +14

      The death of George Floyd, killed by a murderous cop sent a powerful echo through out the us states causing people to protest all over the nation bringing chaos to the streets. So yes, her knowledge is still relevant to this day.

    • @DarthSathion
      @DarthSathion 4 года назад +5

      Jake Tryon yet his death was a psychop so a echo created from mass deception even more insidious

  • @keithfoester7326
    @keithfoester7326 4 года назад +24

    she is someone who will keep you on your toes by forcing you to come to terms with your choices. if you have someone who keeps questioning your every move in your life, do not feel trapped. feel empowered and choose.

    • @TimTheEnchanter0
      @TimTheEnchanter0 4 года назад +2

      That last sentence is powerful, thank you!

    • @Avenger85438
      @Avenger85438 4 года назад +2

      But should you question her. Oh boy, brace yourself.

  • @martinp3166
    @martinp3166 4 года назад +103

    Learn to be a human, not a slave to an idea.

    • @TY-km8hj
      @TY-km8hj 4 года назад +22

      Words I live by in my real life. She's a better teacher than any education system on this earth and she's fictional. Says a lot.

    • @mariapazgonzalezlesme
      @mariapazgonzalezlesme 4 года назад +20

      To have an ideal, you must be also willing to betray it.

    • @martinp3166
      @martinp3166 4 года назад +2

      @@TY-km8hj I very much agree. One of the important principles I have taken from her philosophy, is that I need to be open minded in trying to understand different perspectives of an issue or a set of ideas. I must avoid becoming too arrogant, obsessed or complacent over my own interpretations and try to explore the contrasts. As she also says in the game at one point, you need to understand the weaknesses that your beliefs or ideas have, for that is the only way you can best help strengthen and improve them.

    • @TY-km8hj
      @TY-km8hj 4 года назад +1

      @@martinp3166 PRECISELY. Words to live by man. "To believe in an ideal is to be willing to betray it".

    • @guntherdoesaliltrolling5757
      @guntherdoesaliltrolling5757 4 года назад

      But mah +3 bonus in strength 😥

  • @Cirex2118
    @Cirex2118 4 года назад +28

    I can listen to her for eternity shes so full of wisdom and her voice is asmr to me lol

  • @Dresqus
    @Dresqus 4 года назад +25

    "The highest of mysteries cannot be found by falling to the Dark Side."
    If we are to choose between LS and DS, Kreia wants us to choose LS so much more, than DS. Not only the Enclave scene confirms it, but also this line.

    • @Dresqus
      @Dresqus 4 года назад +10

      @Ricardo Santos Not at all! But still, Kreia wants us to follow lighter path than darker. Be a human, but on the LS

    • @0neCloud
      @0neCloud 2 года назад +3

      She merely wants us to be able to make the most valuable decisions, she don't care of our alignment, she just wants you to think and not just blindly fit any narative.

    • @0neCloud
      @0neCloud 2 года назад

      This is more of a status quo quote, because dark side players usually just kill everything so she tries to bring you back to reason with her arguments, and same thing when you are light, she is trying to make you see the other side of the medal.

    • @Varyalover
      @Varyalover Год назад

      I found "You had no choice" to be the most significant line IMO, since it's such a niche path, but that's just my take.

  • @coinkidink9997
    @coinkidink9997 4 года назад +25

    The Exile + Kreia is my favourite duo in all of Star Wars.

  • @barkinghampalace5032
    @barkinghampalace5032 4 года назад +8

    In the end Kreia seems to warn the player not against idealism or savagery, but against being onesided. To be human is to take all sides within yourself, and do what needs to be done for the people who live, rather than what others tell you is living.

  • @archades115
    @archades115 4 года назад +22

    Kreia tried to teach me so many things. But I was too young to understand most of it, though it was not for lack of trying on my part. I simply lacked experience to give her words context.

  • @articusramos808
    @articusramos808 4 года назад +33

    I can see her and Jolee having that old person debate about their experiences but in the end have a laugh. But im sure they would have some sort of respect for themselves

    • @condeuiosandilixtos7858
      @condeuiosandilixtos7858 4 года назад +6

      This is something I never knew I needed.

    • @Sone01TheFirst
      @Sone01TheFirst 4 года назад +19

      I would imagine Kreia would dislike Jolee for having a rather heavily apathetic stance on the sith/jedi matter(for example he tells Reven it does not matter if the sith win because they will lose eventually anyway in time).
      After all, one would save many and forgive all while the other is simply produces a result of strength for those that survive them, Jolee on the other hand is someone is right dead center(sitting on kashyyyk for decades) doing nothing.
      The tomb on Korriban may of been one giant illusion but "Apathy is death" still has some valid points to consider.

    • @evilriku1336
      @evilriku1336 4 года назад +5

      @@Sone01TheFirst but then we dunno that much about Jolee, maybe he does udnerstand Kreia's view but doesnt want to follow it because he has his own mind on these things, thus he follows the code by his own, something Kreia would appreciate I believe

    • @Avenger85438
      @Avenger85438 4 года назад +2

      Jolee the optimist, Kreia the cynic. Sounds about right.

    • @Avenger85438
      @Avenger85438 4 года назад +2

      @@evilriku1336 Maybe. It's hard to tell when she's being genuine, or is just manipulating events. Jolee's a lot more transparent. He may not always agree with the Jedi as an group, but he clearly stands by there principals. Kinda like Ahsoka would later on.

  • @illumi9044
    @illumi9044 4 года назад +11

    Kriea/Traya was by far the best thing about KOTOR 2.

  • @Rotorzilla
    @Rotorzilla 4 года назад +25

    You never grow by sitting still. Kreia is right

  • @kayleeblisschannel
    @kayleeblisschannel 4 года назад +11

    Lol it's kind of amazing to look through the comments and know that we were all once the Exile

    • @Sadeness99
      @Sadeness99 4 года назад

      This isn't even a game at this point. It's a guide, like a book. Play through it, read through it, learn its difficulties and surprises, and you become stronger and smarter as a person.

    • @Chibiruda
      @Chibiruda 3 года назад

      Exiles from across time, space and worlds of thought apart from eachother, and yet this we share. Greetings!

  • @nickthepick8043
    @nickthepick8043 4 года назад +17

    Kreia is a wise character, and provides insight that should be evident
    but becomes blinded when caught up the amazement of the Force.
    But in my opinion, her flaws as a character is that she can't accept an uncomfortable truth that there is a greater power over us all.
    She is a great character, but she still is a pessimist. But if I were to have a DarkSider of any denomination as a Master, it would either be her or Plagueis.
    Because they are exceptions to the standard DarkSider and CAN see value in others AND understand the trap of the Dark side.

    • @ZeRo-yc7zf
      @ZeRo-yc7zf 4 года назад +3

      I agree completely. I think Kreia had it wrong when she wanted to make everyone deaf to the force. Her point of view became very ungrounded and she should’ve known that by her intention it will be the forces will to stop her. Also if she kills the force the dark side and the light side will persist but not in the same way, and the dark side would prevail because people who are manipulative and willful and without compassion will always rule. She failed to see the simple truth that everyone came from the same source and that they are all part of the force. She despised destruction for destructions sake but was willing to do it if it supported her view

    • @nickthepick8043
      @nickthepick8043 4 года назад

      @@ZeRo-yc7zf Exactly! Thanks for saying it in a way I never could have. Don't get me wrong, she's an awesome, well-written character, it's just that she's not a perfect person and that's what makes her great.

    • @troy8420
      @troy8420 4 года назад +1

      @@nickthepick8043 I think she is traumatised from being betrayed on both sides. This leads her to be so cynical about forming attachments and relying on others. Also, she emphasizes conflict so much but wants to end conflict by destroying the force? Or am I wrong in that.

  • @CeloExsilium3
    @CeloExsilium3 4 года назад +3

    Personal Note:
    Anger and Confrontation 1:41
    Temptation and Fear 3:31

  • @kingnamor777
    @kingnamor777 4 года назад +21

    "The Exile" is the living embodiment of Kreia's philosophy and code. Due to The Exile unusual/unique ability to influence others through use of a powerful Force Bond ability.
    The Exile could form bonds through the Force easily to those around her, an ability she was not consciously aware of. After reconnecting with the Force, this ability became stronger.
    The ensuing death and destruction on Malachor V, particularly that of the comrades The Exiled had befriended during the war caused such a substantial wound in the Force that the shock would have killed The Exiled had he/she not unconsciously, and instinctively, severed The Exile own connection to the Force.
    Thereafter The Exile was deafened to the Force's call; incapable of sensing it through the interference caused by the Force echoes of the suffering that The Exile had inflicted and been forced to witness.
    The Exile was not consciously aware of that The Exiled instinctively, severed The Exile own connection.
    Becoming a normal human being without "Force Powers". Forsaking all the Jedi principles excluding one: no attachments. The Exile "wound in the Force" that surrounded it was caused by the Battle of Malachor V, and was what originally blocked The Exile connection to the Force.
    The Exile "wound in the Force" that surrounded The Exile, allowed him/her to feed on the death of other life forms to sustain his/her Force powers.
    When The Exile reconnected with the Force on Peragus II, after all the personnel were killed by HK-50's machinations. When The Exile traveled the galaxy, killing hundreds in her search for the Masters, she unconsciously fed on all that death, fuelling her powers.
    It was this that caused the Masters such fear-both at her trial and after she had united them on Dantooine-as they thought her condition to be not only a threat to the Jedi and the Force, but a threat to life itself.
    The Exile was answer of Ending the Force, once and for all, had he/she follow Kreia's plan. Canonical it never happened and the Sage and Force continues.

  • @Tanblch
    @Tanblch 4 года назад +1

    Such a great character she is.

  • @jjsouls6986
    @jjsouls6986 4 года назад +1

    Bro kreia is the only mom i ever had. She is a fucking MASTER

  • @feistyylilthing
    @feistyylilthing 4 года назад +1

    god i love this game

  • @iratepirate3896
    @iratepirate3896 4 года назад +2

    JUST DO IT. MAKE YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE!

  • @Tarufox
    @Tarufox 4 года назад

    Still loving your stuff Papi, wish I partook in more of your streams but personally I get bored of streams in general. Either way, I've been having a shit few weeks so I just wanted to try saying something nice and wish you well. Keep doing what you're doing.

    • @PapitoQinn
      @PapitoQinn  4 года назад +1

      Thanks, Chippofox. It would be nice to see you around the streams, if only to say hi. With that said however, I know exactly how you feel. I don't really watch streams either and when I do it's no more than 30 minutes. I don't even know why people watch me. But I try to make it entertaining. Hopefully things start to look up for you too, man. Stay safe.

    • @Tarufox
      @Tarufox 4 года назад

      @@PapitoQinn Totally the same. Kinda sucks because I want to support the streamer at least by watching. Sometimes I just leave it on in the background and check in on occasion, heh. Thanks for the message, stay cool :>

    • @PapitoQinn
      @PapitoQinn  4 года назад

      @@Tarufox That's cool too. You can do the same with a lot of my videos. Sometimes I play my playlists in the background while I do something and sometimes notice things or some things come to me for ideas and such.

  • @kingnamor777
    @kingnamor777 4 года назад +1

    Exiled and Keria are like child/teen learning from the wise elder or grandparent.

  • @condeuiosandilixtos7858
    @condeuiosandilixtos7858 4 года назад +2

    «Their lives are static, untested. It is only through interaction , through decision and choice, through confrontation -- physical or mental -- that the Force can grow within you.»
    I don't know how much Avellone planned for Kreia, but this reminds me of Arren Kae. Maybe they are the same, maybe they aren't, but you can tell that piece of dialogue was uttered by someone who may have found some truth in Echani culture.

  • @DarthDevorin
    @DarthDevorin 3 года назад

    KOTOR II: Becoming Human.

  • @jedi_connor3030
    @jedi_connor3030 4 года назад +1

    If they made a SWTOR movie I'd be:
    Mad: 'cause they'd screw it up
    Happy: 'cause its a fantastic setting with great characters

  • @sandelresano740
    @sandelresano740 4 года назад +1

    Hi, i have read your question on google support about “how can i monetized while having copyright notice.” I have the same issue too. May I ask what did you do that you been approved for moni? TIA

    • @PapitoQinn
      @PapitoQinn  4 года назад

      Unfortunately I had to delete all my videos that had copyright notices on them. Once you apply you have to stay clear of any other copyright noticed, whether it be a stream, or even a video you haven't even published yet. Until you're approved. Once I was approved I either uploaded remade versions of past videos I had to delete, or I just reuploaded the old ones and allowed them to not be monetized. That's it. Good luck.

    • @sandelresano740
      @sandelresano740 4 года назад

      Papito Qinn thanks for your reply...i have trimmed the copyrighted clips pf my video. Would that be alright? Sorry to bother.

    • @PapitoQinn
      @PapitoQinn  4 года назад +1

      @@sandelresano740 It's not a bother. Yes that should be alright. Just make sure that the copyright notice has been lifted from the video. Sometimes I've trimmed the offending part out but the notice remained for whatever reason.

  • @kayleeblisschannel
    @kayleeblisschannel 4 года назад +4

    Lol I low key worship Kreia 🙌😂

  • @evilriku1336
    @evilriku1336 4 года назад

    arent these availible ingame? I never heard of them but I might overglossed them at some point perhaps. If so, udner which circumstances does she say that?

  • @Icehead2.0
    @Icehead2.0 4 года назад

    Hey Qinn where is BLu's credit huh???

  • @dominiclyncourt7455
    @dominiclyncourt7455 4 года назад

    Why was this cut

    • @mdd4296
      @mdd4296 4 года назад +1

      I think those would happen after some cut plot point.

    • @danielrojas-db9nq
      @danielrojas-db9nq 4 года назад +1

      Some of them are a bit different but are the same dialogues on the base game. probably left out for discard.

    • @Jacob-pu4zj
      @Jacob-pu4zj 4 года назад

      @@danielrojas-db9nq I'm fairly certain I remember the forge analogy.

  • @survivalizer
    @survivalizer 4 года назад

    A lot of these feel like the same lines but too fast.

  • @lucifiaofthefreecouncil1312
    @lucifiaofthefreecouncil1312 4 года назад +8

    Atris [correction: Kreia] is pretty pretty stupid for all her talk. She assumes allies are only allies out of circumstance and that they will turn on you when the circumstance changes and that makes them useless. I say what you wanna do is make your allies love you for love makes people put your interest above your own no matter the circumstance. so treating your allies like shit is pretty stupid and just a waste of resource.

    • @danielrojas-db9nq
      @danielrojas-db9nq 4 года назад +5

      Anyone rational enough to know what true friendship is knows that what she says is not true. there is no sense on living if you think all humans are bastards.

    • @armaan1091
      @armaan1091 4 года назад +1

      Its Kreia, not Atris... Maybe you should get that right before critiquing her?

    • @lucifiaofthefreecouncil1312
      @lucifiaofthefreecouncil1312 4 года назад

      @@armaan1091 Yup that would make my critique a bit more credible wouldn't it. but hey look at you being smart enough to figure out who i was talking about despite the error good for you ^_^

    • @armaan1091
      @armaan1091 4 года назад

      Valerie Valois
      Yes because the video centered around Kreia, not Atris. If this was posted anywhere else you would’ve had confusion based on your lack of knowledge

    • @LionofDawn
      @LionofDawn 4 года назад +5

      Normally i would agree with you but my friend... i hate to say it.... i really do and i wish it wasn't like this but... that's not even how our world works.
      You see it's not about treating people like shit, but to understand that peoples values and opinions may change over time.
      As will yours. And so be ready to cast them away if you must.
      Some believe we emit an energy, a frequency of a sort outward to the world when you give too much love and kindness. People are drawn more towards those who are in command, and those who care less.
      Have you ever felt like in your darkest times no one was there for you when you needed them the most? Even when you just badly wanted to talk to them, and if you forced it and contacted someone, they weren't being as empethatic or caring as you needed? And when you didn't need or wanted anything that you once did... now all of a sudden it comes to you?
      That may be how the universe works, or at least our connection to eachother as species.
      In a relationship usually the one that cares less is the one in control of it all.
      Some people believe it's because the energy we send out, some people believe it's a matter of frequency, as scientifically everything exists within a certain frequency. And some believe it's a matter of a "God" within us all. That when we stop seeing our true value and what we deserve, but still want and need, then we don't get what or who we want and need.
      In my 30 years of living as an atheist agnostic, i have seen and experienced and heard some strange shit.
      And perhaps i'm seeing connections where there is none. But too many times and often too many similarities for it all to simply be coincidental i'd say.
      I hate that it's like this. That life can't be more simple. That loving and caring won't give us what we want and need, even when we feel like shit about ourselves and how we see ourselves. But in the end that's just how it is.
      That is why we can't rely on others too much, and must be ready that one day we may stand alone.

  • @jjsouls6986
    @jjsouls6986 4 года назад

    Yes first one