The 737 MAX 10 is Too Long?
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Boeing needs to stop modifying the 737 and give us a 757X
or 797
@@ViktorGGeorgiev no, 757X, nobody needs the 797 beacause the range of the 737 is enough when paired with the 787/777. But the 757X could give the range of a 787, whilst also having the capacity of the 737M10, which would allow airlines to serve routes that aren’t very popular/ don’t have high profitability when used with a 787/777
Yess
The 757 has long been dead you just have to accept that .
@@Homepage. You are underestimating what the 797 could be, Either another narrow body aircraft such as the 737 or 757 or a long hauler, the 757 is also slowly being phased out from airlines phus the conspirency of a 797
Yes. Boeing have patched and bodged the living hell out of that airframe design. They really don't want to let go of it do they? The 757 would have been a much better platform for the MAX.
Correct on every point
its the budget airlines fault. they demand and only buy the same type so no pilot re-training is req. plus all pilots can fly all their planes. boing is flogging this old horse to please its stingy customer base. this led to two crashes already.
Boeing is becoming the GM of the aviation world.
Its making $$$ , is one of the fastest planes boeing can build and does the job.. if it ant broke
im sure they do want to let go its just not that simple, also this mod isnt exactly complex
Embraer did the right thing and designed a new wing & landing gear for the E2 so the PW1000's would sit where they're supposed to be. The 737 belongs in a museum.
“The 737 belongs in a museum.”
EPIC!!! 😂😂😂
Exactly what Boeing used to do.
-200 ➡️ classics ➡️ NG, all of them had new wings and MLG. But not the Max.
@@Adi2527A5 NG had same landing gear, they didn't raise the plane, that's why the NG has the distinct flattened engine cowl because of the minimum ground clearance
@@richardmiller257 then explain why the NG has 3cm more fuselage-to-ground clearance at MTOW compared to its predecessor. Both nose dan MLG of the NG is longer (slightly).
@@Adi2527A5larger tires
B -757 would have been a perfect fit in these times . A new engine with a new wing design.
The wings on a 757 are very efficient design to point where they create a lot of wake turbulence thanks to the large differential pressures
@@peanuts2105 The problem is the cabin width (to envisage the 757 as an alternative). AFIK, the 707, 727, 737 and 757 all have the same fuselage width which is slightly narrower than the A320 family. That's why the longer the Boeing stretches their fuselages of the 737/757, the less comfortable it gets for the pax giving them the feeling of sardines in a can.
In practice the market is asking for smaller long range airliners like the A220 or the E2. For really long range there is the A321XLR, which could be competed with by a 737-9 MAX with a similar range. The -10 seems to be a kludge at this point.
nah they stopped the production 2 decades ago; restarting the program would be a pain
"Which is an extremly costly repair" Oh Yes that's exactly what I was worried about
Tail strikes are extremely unlikely to hurt anyone, so it should be all there is to worry about. All that'll happen is you'll feel a bump, especially if you're close to the back, and you'll have to catch another plane. Being so close to the airport, the pilots will simply circle around and land again. This isn't going to kill or seriously injure anyone
Jal 123: Am I a joke to you?
We're going to have twice the amount of incidents with this thing
It's nice, they'll do anything to keep the tired bird aloft. There's the 757 as prior mentioned that seemingly fits today's needs as well
I personally think the MAX series will be the last iteration of the 737 design. The age of the basic design is still from the 60's and I think they have modified the aircraft enough now that any more redesigns from now will not reap any further reward
Yes it will be as Boeing and NASA are working on an experimental aircraft with a transonic truss braced wing design for future narrow bodies. GE is developing its RISE engines so I’m guessing they’ll likely team up again for that aircraft as well. GE and Boeing make a great partnership. Rolls Royce is a good option to though
Boeing already bragged that they have zero intention of doing anything new or inventing anything. They pretty much said they'll wait for airbus to set a trend, then follow. Because their shareholders are sick of their flops and expensive endeavours that go nowhere.
@@czhaokthat doesn’t quite make sense to me. The last plane Boeing designed from the ground up was the 787, which has significantly outsold the competition, while their cheap, low-effort redesigns (namely the 737 max and 777X) have sold very poorly compared to the competition with the A320neo family nearly doubling 737 max sales, and the 777X barely selling at all. I get what you’re saying, but it doesn’t make sense to me that they’d go that route because their more conservative designs seem to have been more of their downfall
@@czhaokby 2035 they’re rolling out 2 new models. 1 slightly smaller than max and 1 slightly wider than max . The -7 & -10 are the band aid fixes. Making a new plane is HUGE$. Its not easy takes years to get dialed in and is allot of work..Max is cheap to make, easy to fly, can pump 50-60+ out a month at 115+ mill ea. And besides fuselage, boeings made em so long that they’re not loosing money figuring out how to build them. …why not.? The max isnt a luxury plane its a Corolla in the air
the 707 was the fist version with this body, 70 years ago
I'm not an airplane engineer but making this airplane more complicated makes 'Murphy's Law' more possible; 'If something can go wrong it will!' I like Airbus and congrats to them.
Don’t forget about the A320, A321, A321NEO, and A321XLR. They’re doing the same thing. Albeit Boeing is doing it more so
@@Cal90208airbus isn't stretching their airframe beyond it's limits. The neo's engine fit because they moved the engine in front of the wing instead of under it. They haven't stretched the airframs to the point where they need to modify the landing gear to be overly complicated
@@jcspotter7322 the A321 is always at risk of tail strike on takeoff and landing so much that pilots land with shallower flap angle to not run into the issue. The max10 is just boeing's A321
I'm still amazed that planes even get off the ground.
And im amazed that paper airplanes can glide
“New design that works without needing costly redesign.” That last time I heard that was with MCAS…
But the compression system will enable and disable on landing by itself at will unless you buy the upgraded display option and boeing won't put in the manual why. Also Dave from Boeing's janitorial staff will sign it off as safe themselves.
Lmao what a dig 😂
Boeing continuously modifying the 737 reminds me of Marge Simpson and the Channel suit.
I remember that really well good analogy 😂😂😂
Are we sure the landing gear compression system is for this purpose? It could be a system designed to extend the landing gear life when operated by Ryanair... 😁
The 737-900NG was already prone to tail strikes. There are plenty of these strikes on record. The 737-9 MAX is longer than the 900NG. Now you have the -10 MAX at 5'6" longer than the MAX-9. I would say the tail strikes are inevitable.
Tail clearance margins are better on the -10 (and -9) than the -8 and -800 (you read that right).
Stretch is primarily ahead of the wing so it’s all in the geometry plus the moss referred to 👍🏻
But the MAX 9 is only 3 inches longer than the -900. Thats not much of a difference.
Yes, the MAX 9 is the same length as -900 (just as the MAX 8 is the same as -800), but they didn't enlarge
the tailcone for better aerodynamics
@@richardmiller257 The -8 and -9 are actually slightly longer than the -800 and -900 by 1 and 3 feet respectively
@@dmcr9525 no the max 8's and 9's are the exact same length as NG -800 and -900 respectively. They did streamline the tailcones for aero purposes which accounts for the overall small length increase
They’re being to cheap and have been with the whole project. Argue it’s for convenience all you want, but the truth is they’re just trying to save money at the expense of peoples lives.
It’s not risking any more lives, and it’s good for everyone if it’s cheaper
@@ChapatiMan no, they could have banged the aircraft height, and not had to install MCAS. They didn’t, because it would cost them money for simulators. Instead they made minor changes that meant MCAS would be needed and that costed nearly 500 lives. Now they have the problems with the -10 shown in this video. The only reason they did it was to save money and that’s not good when it costs us lives.
@@machaviationofficial who said it’s a problem when something is working fine?
Have you ever seen where you make a modification without some changes?
@@Samguy55 do you research - the MAX-10 has problems hence it has not been delivered to any airlines. The fuselage is too long for the height of the aircraft.
@@machaviationofficial I know. I’m just saying whenever a modification is made, there must be challenges. It’s up to the company to tackle such challenges and that’s what they did.
You’re making it look like modification to a product is always a problem
At this point, just make a 757 neo
Cost problems
It looks like Boeing always has a problem and a workaround. The fact is that nobody knows the work around until something happens in mid-air and they say we forgot to tell the pilot or staff the workaround.. 😂
Boeing is like: "We had a manslaughter episode but this happens from time to time! Let's keep going and patch this, then patch that. We might loose a few pennies but no one is going to jail, so no worries! Prize for the craziest optimization which will save us millions!"
It’s really insane that hundreds of people can die and no one goes to jail, yet individual civilians are convicted of manslaughter for the death of a single person, all the time.
The max 8 and 9 was a ok ish idea of modernising the 737-800, but the 10 is a no for me. More simple answer was a 797 or a 757 neo. Own goal from Boeing for me
The 757 should never have been discontinued..
The incidents of tail strikes as well as engines ingesting dirt or debris with this aircraft was addressed by the aircraft fuselage being much higher from the ground with an already established FAA required flight attendant crew of 1per maximum of 50 passengers and 1 each pilot and co-pilot so labor cost remained the same while the 757 was a proven long haul high capacity bird with a far nicer cabin.
The 757 wasn't selling. Everyone who needed them had them. No one was buying any more. At the time.
Had Boeing waited 5 years, they might have seen a surge of new orders as airlines started needing more due to sending them on longer flights and finding them to be excellent for that.
Sods law.
I hope the fuselage extension will not aerodynamically hamper the handling performance, that the flight crew will have suprises again down the line
@phillipbanes5484 yep can't let the perfectly avoidable 100s of deaths go. Stop deep throating boeing and their dangerous greed.
@@phillipbanes5484It is in fact a pretty spectacular multi faceted fail in the history of tombstone engineering and governance. It'll dog the Max till they're all scrap.
If it works it works .. but what I don't understand is why they stopped making the 757
For christs sake, there’s a tail stand designed for the 737-900 to keep it from tipping over at the gate, and Boeing still decided to extend the fuselage anyway? The 737 reached its full length potential with the -900. It’s time for something new.
I won’t be flying in it!😳
We love the 737 but it is modified enough instead we need the 757 max
Nice vid about the 737 max 10
Stop milking it plz !!! A clean sheet design on the lines of the ‘Pencil’ is what is required
This system was being used since 777-300 ER
Bro how is the 737-10 gonna fit inside the a320s apu if its too long 💀
They should have just redeveloped the 757
Love these videos - keep it up
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Thanks Neil - we have more coming :)
Boeing needs to get serious about replacing the 737.
So hang on... They had to put the engines further forward and higher up especially BECAUSE they didn't want to extend the landing gear, making the now-infamous MCAS necessary, but they've extended the landing gear anyway now?? Confused.
You should be confused because you’re not making any sense. The plane doesn’t sit any higher then it normally does. The extension only happen when rotating on take off
@@Laxa30 *than
They really shouldn't have stopped the 757 program
Yes it is very much
Respect engineers who did the work
The same engineers who designed the Infamous MCAS system?
Boeing was actually working on this landing gear when they decided instead to go with moving the new larger engines to that forward and above the wing so they could compete wit the Airbus Neo.
And that threw off the center of gravity. And that led to the computer program MCAS they didn't bother to tell anyone about. And that caused the crash of Ethiopian and Lion and caused three hundred and forty six deaths. (346)
The saddest part of all of this is that Boeing in all their greed still doesn't think they did anything wrong
The max8 and 800s are slippy and fast on landing plus of course the max8 requires the mcas for stability, so creating an even longer max10 would be a right handful for pilots!!!
This is already a notorious plan and more modifications are not required.
Amazing feat. Build the car around the man.
Free flights for everyone
We saw what happened the last time they got creative with the 737
I loved to see a 7J7 to fruition with CFM rise engines
This plane is completely done. I don't know why the powers that be at Boeing don't have. People to design a new plane?They haven't figured out already after 2 crashes that they have done enough to this plane but they continue to want to play around with it. No wonder why Boeing is in 2nd place now.
Hello modifications are normal for example F15 ,B52, and C130's Also fuselage extensions are a pretty common and successful.
Do what the Concorde did, put a wheel at the back
They need to make completely new plane I think
Great more bolts to come off
I feel like the simpler solution was just... I don't know, making the landing gear longer.
Put a tail wheel like Concorde
I don’t think boeing can do anything else to the 737 airframe, might as well design a new 757 and put it into production.
Ryan air bought a good few
Another company that puts profits before people. The MAX is thus the perfect choice.
Course they did - it was the cheapest option 😕
It was the best option for Ryan Air.
I always fly Easyjet short haul. That way I know I'm never flying on a 737🤣
Yes because they can't make another aircraft that doesn't have to huge risks and was grounded for years
This Aircraft will make the infancy of the early DC-10 look like teething pains!
I think any engineering solution can be valid, as long as it's thoroughly tested and verified.
True...but we know what happened with the Max 8
Let’s hope this redesign wasn’t installed on a Monday morning like the emergency exit plugs obviously were.
if I recall correctly 737-800 MAX was grounded for more than a year may be two... as accidents happened due to modifications in design. .Larger engines which caused a nose up tendency that was remedied with a compensating electronics....which failed......As a non aeronotics engineer my Lesson learned was: a commercial aircraft geometry and c.o.g. must be inherently stable and not rely on compensating systems that can fail like any system could. military design might not care about it but civil aviation need to.
It is stable, but there was an aerodynamic quirk on high angle of attack maneuvers that made it less stable there (though still stable). Fixing an issue like that with software is definitely reasonable and done on modern planes, but it can't be software that relies on a single sensor and can't even fail safely.
Its time to break out the 757 from the boeing toybox
SOUNDS LIKE ANOTHER MCAS
No it doesn't 🤦🏿♂️
They're expanding the pencil plane family
Oh f*ck it's too deep inside 😩
@@yhfhdcf wtf
Max Death Trap
WE MAKIN OUT DA STALL WITH THIS ONE 🗣🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Brilliant Move by Boeing!
Patch work+afterthought
Modify something to modify the modification doesn't sound too safe to me...
I'll be flying Airbus, thank you!
Bro....get ready for this long aah explanation...
Now...the MAX series from boeing is the most unsafe one...having crashes and being grounded ....now..i hate it when people just straight up say that the 737 is bad...like wth you mean dawg??the 737-900 and 737-700 are examples of safe 737s...and guess what...there are more
The reason 737 is crashing is not only MCAS Error but also the fact that the 737 is the most popular plane and it is used by many...many airlines!
And i get it...the MAX is unsafe and i kinda agree with that but theres so need to popularize it so much...airbus has had many crashes too...infact the first a320 crashed but nobody talks about that but everyone talks about this....there are so many planes out there with so many crashes but some choose to only focus on these specific crashes!why?
People have also been saying that boeing is getting unsafe and all that...but boeing was made way before airbus and was kinda THE aviation brand before airbus came up with their beauties...
And im not hating towards any brand right now...im just confused why this is happening..
Many are also saying the 737 is an old plane made for short haul...why stretch it like that for long haul?
(And yea...the 737 has a flight which is 8hr 30 mins)
So then what about the a321/a320?
They are also being stretched into long/medium haul purposes...
Well if you made it till here...GG and have a good day/night/afternoon/evening..
When there’s no ground clearance to begin with, stretching it was always gunna create this problem, trust American engineers to miss something blatantly obvious. Time to bring back the 757 I think.
Regardless, it’s one beautiful aircraft. I flew max 8 & 9, can’t wait to try the 10.
It seems that overall now days Airbus jets are better
So more moving parts to maintain for airline companies. No surprise since it comes from Boeing. Spare parts are big money for any manufacturer.
God bless ❤️and keep safe 😍🇵🇭
They've spent enough finding workarounds to do a clean sheet design. The major hang up is the FAA is so inept and difficult at certification, no OEM wants to risk a new design.
Scary. It should be width for passenger comfort instead of length.
Modify, modify, modify.
As long as they don't upset the aircraft's handling by moving the centre of mass then it should be fine...
Yes, Boeing shouldn't try to make another variant of the 737. The Airframe is outdated now and for every change they need large adaptations, Larger engines aren't possible, the aircraft can't be lengthened. The Max should be the end of the 737 and Boeing should make a new short haul plane but with the technology of the 787.
Same goes for Airbus, the A320 has less problems because it is newer but the A320NEO is also on the limit. Airbus would need to make some weird changes to put larger engines on the plane and the A320 is also quite old now.
The Boeing 737, Airbus A320 and A330 are all planes that shouldn't get another update but a large redesign of the whole airframe.
There is a point in any engineered product that one reaches "design saturation", the point at which further improvements or modifications are pointless. Then it is time to start over with an entirely new and modern design.
At this stage, with all the cancelled orders , quality problems, and law siuts, it would have probably been cheaper to design a new aircraft from scratch.
And here we are again with the 737 …
I still don't understand why they stopped producing 757 and started extending 737
Why don't they just bring back the 757?
Choose life , don’t fly on a Boeing , simples 👍
You need to decide, inches or centimetres...
I will never understand why they have not simply moved the landing gear further out so that it can be longer? I realize that is a much easier said than done redesign, but considering how much the existing design has been modified, is it really that extreme?
'But is this yet another modification of an already heavily modified aircraft type?' Well, self evidently, yes it is. What is your point?
We call this a contraption.
Deathtrap. the faa should require pilot training on all new aircraft even same type this would stop corner cutting. over extending airframes.
Modify it till ya get it how you want it. Make an omelette….crash a few.
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The 737, an already excellent aircraft, is getting better and better.
Apparently there's big problems with it because they keep on adding these fixes
Its not a fix..... Its the original design for the MAX 10.
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Still trying to work out if that's a compliment........
@@AirlinersLive I love both your accents, as a southerner myself northern accents are awesome
More mode, more risk of failure
Boeing innovating one crash (or two in the case of the Max 8) at a time.
It’s a beautiful aircraft
Yeah, the last lot used to crash
hold up the max 9 and max 10 are only 66 inches different? isn’t that like two rows of seats 😭
No need for Such dramatization.
The plane is working fine my friend