Human Resources Sucks at Helping Humans
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- This video is about the five reasons employees need to be wary of complaining to Human Resources.
Video 2 - • Complain to Human Reso...
Branigan Robertson is an employment lawyer in Orange County, California. His firm exclusively represents employees in lawsuits against their employers.
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00:00 - Introduction
00:41 - Video Preview & Synopsis
01:40 - Let's Get on the Same Page
03:42 - Assumptions
04:36 - 1. HR is There to Protect the Company, Not You!
06:30 - 2. HR Will Not Keep Things Confidential
07:43 - 3. HR is Subservient to the Company's Owners
12:38 - 4. HR Does Not Know Employment Law
13:43 - 5. The Quality of HR Professionals Varies Dramatically
15:14 - Conclusion
#HumanResoureces #HRSucks #EmploymentLaw
⚠ Now that you know why HR is terrible at helping employees, will you be more cautious about going to them with issues? ⚠
im never going to them again they got me fired
I just got fired and last case had to do with a condition i had raised to hr about upcomming things and recent false accusations against me. Then later my medical issue caused me to fired becaise they claimed that i never told anyone about it.
I just made a comment can you give it a read and a solution for me
@@semperfi-1918 I got fired too for claims that are untrue
do you provide consultations for people who work in another state? (New Jersey)
It's called Human Resource for a reason. It treats you like a resource, something to be exploited, extracted, and used.
😒 so true. we are humans not resources. also say no to "personal branding"
HR is just other employees, nothing magical there.
so, on the nose. slavery under a new name but same nonsensical practices!
@@XSilver_WaterX let's not water down the term "slavery".
And then tossed in the trash when the time is right.
Just remember that the employee that helped convict the Killer Nurse was: 1) Reprimanded by HR for causing the hospital "trouble" when she first raised concerns to them; and 2) Told by HR to keep quiet and not to talk to the authorities when the FBI started investigating the case. The guy was convicted of killing 29 people (although he claims over 40 victims) and all the hospital cared about was reputation and liability.
IF that's true, surely by now we'd have seen some lawsuits. I know of none. Do you know of any? What is the status of this particular hospital? Further, HR departments are trained to do EXACTLY what that department did. You aren't looking at it from the hospital's perspective. All of those individuals had a business to run and wanted to stay as far from a court of law as possible. What's not to understand?
@Max Alberts how that's an ethical practice.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory A lot of people seem to think and prefer the position of the goddamn organization or institution. It's BAFFLING. Corporations and other big institutions are inherently amoral, they engage in (and hide) unethical practices on a regular basis. This is why people that complain are ejected rather the troublemaker.
@@RicochetForce True, but it's not that simple. For example, employees chronically getting stoned or drunk on the job are dangers to others and to themselves. Employees who are constantly late or who call in sick on a weekly basis understand the policies of their businesses and need either to follow them or to leave their employment. HR constantly has to deal with unhappy employees who look for ways to "stick it to the Man." Good employees may "prefer" the position of the institution because they share its values and want to remain employed. Admittedly, I've only been employed by large organizations that have full-service HR departments and I've always been employed in a professional capacity. You need to understand that so-called "small businesses"--particularly those with under 50 employees, are largely exempt from this discussion, at least in the United States.
@@Gr3nadgr3gory Did I say anything about ethics? I asked questions about the hospital's current status. Hospital regulations and staff are overseen by a Federal organization called the Joint Commission which has a great deal of power. Any hospital acting ethically out of line can be given huge fines, issued warnings and eventually closed down. And believe me, it happens. In order for things to get that bad, there would have to be a stupid and incompetent administration hiring other stupid and incompetent employees, all the way down the food chain. This holds true particularly for American hospitals that want to maintain non-profit status.
A coworker used to always say, "HR does not exist to protect you from the company, HR exists to protect the company from you".
Which is true, their role is to be a wall keeping you from reaching the higher-ups.
I will never forget this:
I worked at target in the electronics section and was training this new girl. Our store had partnered with a company so they could sell at&t plans in our store.
This guy from the AT&T company wouldn’t stop harassing this new girl to the point she would just avoid the counter (where he stood) cause he wouldn’t leave her alone.
I had been there for years and she asked me what to do. I knew none of the higher ups liked the other company in the store so I told her she should tell hr about it.
She was let go the next week. I had trained so many people before and she was actually doing a good job. I had no idea why they would let her go…unless it was hr’s move to avoid a problem. She was let go, and that other dude and their company stayed.
I still feel terrible for suggesting that she talk to hr. I honestly thought they would take the side of their employee, especially when she’s being constantly harassed. But no.
Never talk to your hr.
It’s not your fault but I get why you feel bad. I made similar mistakes thinking all the mountains of evidence would prove I’m not the problem but so often management doesn’t care and whoever is making complaints = the problem, even if it’s like 8 people complaining about 1 person
Well, talk to your HR in writing, say that you feel harassed and you believe its illegal (playing dumb), you are let go after that email, you have a case for a lawsuit :) HR is not my friend and I am not HR's friend either :)
@@EvanMaxVelardi already left the company (thankfully) but that'd be interesting for sure lol
I work at a company where some girls were sexually harassed. The manager was put on paid suspension for nine months. I thought he was actually getting fired and I had reported to my managers and HR about girls being sexually harassed by this manager. The manager comes back after nine months of paid vacation, and none of the other managers or even higher ups could figure out why he was back nor did they want him back. But, HR said he has to stay and he's protected for two years for retaliation. I'm still stirring up the pot, I'm looking forward to retaliation, and I'm documenting everything. The thing that really sucks is I have to explain to 19 year old girls who work there that this is the way things are. The girls who were harassed originally don't work at the company anymore. However he's finding new victims from what I hear.
@@jasonfarrell00 Hopefully she documented everything and took target to court
Don't ever trust anybody at work. Your co workers are not your friends.
I dunno that I agree with this. Some of my closest friends have come from places of employment.
I will say you have the right idea about trust.
@@DEVGRUnotST6 he is right I know someone who got fired because his work "friends" told management he was not actually off sick on a day when he posted a selfie at a restaurant. FRIENDS huh ?? I'd hate to know who his enemies were . this is nothing to do with his mistake of oversharing on SM, it's to do with so-called "friends" who are such low human beings that they got him fired on purpose
@@DEVGRUnotST6
guess it really depends I learned the hard way. I got so close to one of the co worker like a best friend hangout after work, shared secret between each other. Just to find out later she's your ex's informer.
This
I agree with you 💯 and I had to learn the hard way. I worked with several jealous and lying backstabbing females throughout my career and finally realized that colleagues are simply people that I just work with😞
My mom once went to HR (she was a nurse) she was being sexually harassed by a doctor. She complained to hr. Next day she was fired. She tries to sue but hr had mysteriously lost the complaint document. Lessons: always get copies of documents and that hr is full of awful humans.
If what you've written is true, my first question is, did HR admit to having lost the document? Generally, clinics and hospitals like to make MULTIPLE copies of employee complaints in order to build a paper trail. Also, why wasn't your mother given a copy of the document? I'm sure she was asked to sign something and was told to keep a copy for her records. And if your mother indeed "tried to sue," did she have an attorney or an employee advocate? Was she a member of a nurse's union? There are so many holes in your story that it's almost impossible to believe. Legitimate clinics and hospitals in the USA are also required BY FEDERAL LAW to carefully maintain employee files. If the Joint Commission comes around to inspect and finds anything out of order, the organization is often given a huge fine and is marked for further inspection. Did what you're describing occur in a tent somewhere in the mountains of Nicaragua or in an actual business in the United States?
@Max Alberts you need to step out of your white neighborhood sometime. see the REAL world. because clearly you are living in a fantasy world where companies are perfect and help people in every way they can. never read history, you wouldn't want to break your fantasy. and don't look up insulin prices either!
@@specialaccount7631 All of my questions and concerns were perfectly legitimate. (And if you work for any large, reputable organization you will see that most places who care about their survival are extremely careful to dot their i's and cross their t's.) And what makes you assume that I'm white? And, just for my own enlightenment, what does the price of insulin have to do with sexual harassment? My world (apparently unlike yours) isn't made up of villains and victims. Your take on the world sounds angry and unhappy. What a drag your life must be.
@Max Alberts Your questions and concerns are passive agressive and narcissistic when you call everyone an idiot. (And if you do any amount of reading you will see that companies break laws all the time to make a quick buck) You say this guy has an "anti-management agenda" when hes a lawyer. I mention insulin prices because in case the message isnt clear, you need to READ more. Because you think that every single company obeys the laws and regulations, when that simply is not true. But yeah I'm living a sad life coming from the guy who literally says he had a great time in HR because you got paid well doing easy work. It's easy to not give a shit about other people's struggles when you yourself are not struggling isn't it? My world is full of villains and victims because I know that the land I stand on was not given, but stolen. Sorry the break the news to you. Also I'd love to hear your thoughts on the fake food being placed on shelves and sold to consumers. I'm sure you'll find a way to call it the shoppers fault
@@specialaccount7631 well you took it too seriously, obviously rules differs in different countries. For example in most European countries you must get extra copies. I had 3 workplaces and they always gave out extra copies for me to keep. Also about your last sentence, it is half true. You, as consumer is responsible for what you buy and consume. Other topic if companies lie to you and you don't even know what the 20th Latin word means on the food label
HR is absolutely delightful when they're trying to get you to join their company. Once you do, then they don't want to know you.
Couldn't be more true!
They just want to tick their kpi thats all
Soooo truuuueeeee!!!
Once you do, if you go talk to them again, you're putting yourself on top of the list to get fired.
@@zaraallyshawhat’s kpi?
I started studying HR at university until I discovered what HR actually is...I left that course soon after.
just you chose to be human , thank you good luck next step
Excellent. Glad people like you exist. Please dont stop.
All you need to know about Human Resources, is that they are less than human and not resourceful, which is probably exactly why they give it that name to entrap most employees
How about if you knew the labor legislation, labor acts abolishing discrimination, harassment and bulling, have you heard about health and safety? Well, you probably love yo get paid well with all the perks and 401k going every two weeks into your bank account? Well... this is a small chunk of total compensation class. Well.... if you got a different pay for an equal work just because of your gender, you would probably be hurt... yeah,.being a woman and getting paid less 30% than your male counterparts actually sucks.. this is when job analysis with equal ranking and pay plays its role in establishing your pay... how about inclusivity and diversity? White collar jobs is for White males.. look at this stupid lawyer,.as an example, would you love to work with 99% of the workforce looking the same as this guy? And you are the only latina in the room.... yeah... HRs áre bad... yeah...
You haven't learned anything at school, sweetie, good you are not practicing HR.
My company’s different! They told me on the first day “we’re all one big family”, and they treat me exactly like my siblings who also mistreat me
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Comment of the Century. Made my day!! 😆😆😆
Haaaa! Same.
LMAOOO 🤣😂
As HR professional for over 17 years, I confirm that he's correct. HR is in the position to protect the company and its resources from liability. Great breakdown 👍
Thanks for being honest. 👍🏾 Kudos to you.
Are there any resources out there that you can go to aside from HR....other than hiring an attorney
protect company & its resources!! is employee a resource?.... how will HR solve people prob in a project?
@@rodinowright6591 Check out the EEOC - gov't agency but often times they're too overwhelmed with cases to deal with. If you're in a union then that's the obvious next step. Employment laws in the US are very company-favored so besides an attorney - or the police if it's a physical attack - a lawyer is the only option. Document everything and be prepared to get let go (fired).
@@NYCisland California is a leader in protected rights though
My experience with HR is that they have a lot of power to hurt you but very little to help you
That about somes it up.
Did you not watch the video? HR is usually involved if not the cause of the firing process.
Just like cops
Their job is to protect the company from the employees, not the other way around. Even if the higher-ups did something bad and illegal to you, they will cover it up and screw you to save their bacon and let them get away with it.
Many are Narcissists!
In my 20+ years it always comes down not to who was right, but between the two, who is most liked by the leadership. I’m Australian, but this man is spot on for here as well. You never, ever speak to HR. When they have approached me, I snap into Army counter interrogation training mode, they get nothing from me.
"...I snap into Army counter interrogation training mode, they get nothing from me..."
Except for name, job title and employee number, as per Geneva Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War Article 17
Yeah Australian HR are shitkents
@@irgendwieanders2121 still trying to figure out what the point of your comment is mr pseudo intellectual
@@TetoSuperFan Maybe you can do it, wish you luck and endurance!
@@irgendwieanders2121 nah, that is NATO bs, we going North Korean style on HR
I'm an HR professional and it's all true sadly. I've been in situations where me and my HR department wanted to help employees, but were powerless to because of management ignoring our advice. And I've also dealt with management telling me to discourage employees from discussing their pay. I even had one department manager tell me to tell employees it was illegal and I was like, "It's actually illegal for us to tell them that." And they didn't want me repeating that.
All employers everywhere hate it when the employees discuss their pay.
I would too, if I have two employees and one works harder than the other I don't want them ruminating on the fact that their pay isn't completely "fair"
These days I work a Trade (welding) and my pay is largely based on the particular skills that a job requires, and I prefer that greatly (you need a 6G Certified Underwater Welder and wouldn't you know it, I'm the only one available).
@@BlooCollaGal the reality is if no one is talking about how much they get payed, no one knows how much they're getting screwed. End of story.
@@iannordin5250 But then again, if all employees knew about each other final payment, could that create a toxic rivalry in a working environment? Employers should state how much they pay their employees and how much bonus they can expect from their work, which encourages them to work harder. But I don't think letting them discuss their payment on their own is a good idea
@@hongngocinhvo6277 you see if huge corporations had the worker’s best internet in mind you would be right. However they absolute do not and are just doing it to hide how much they are screwing people over.
@@hongngocinhvo6277 I do not agree, if you are paying people based on their contributions, it should be obvious why one makes more then another.
I worked at Target as an HR rep, I actually thought my job was to help and protect employees. My boss wanted to do something against HR policy and I said we can’t do that. I dug my heels in for another employee. Soon I found myself the target of my boss, she told me this was not the right position for me and scrutinized everything I did. I was so confused, I thought I was doing the right thing. This video is so dead on, I thought my case was unique, come to find out I was part of the 20% that does the right thing. 😊 it’s been 10 years since I left, but this video has made me feel so justified. Thanks!!!
That sucks. Yea, it's unfortunately a sad reality we live in where good ppl are punished for doing what is supposed to be right.
I had a similar ish issue at my last job. Managers would bully our department team and supervisor and he was just trying to learn the ropes. Me being a good friend wanted to help him and make things less hard but then suddenly I'm getting pulled into the office and getting talked down to and yelled at by one of the managers because i wouldn't answer his convoluted questions and jabs at our department. I'm shocked i didn't get fired after that cuz i definitely didn't buckle and let him talk down to me in that office 😂. I was worried i was gonna become that guy that argues with managers in all the other managers' eyes. But yea, after that, i just minded my own business and stopped trying too hard cuz it was definitely not worth all that drama.
Same. I was Hr at Walmart. I was an outsider amongst the managers and they’d do whatever to protect their wrongdoings. When I became aware of issues and actually spoke up/followed policies, I was targeted and fired.
oh i work at target in a DC and all our HR is there for is to further their corporate agenda, and they make sure to hire people that are for the company and have the least amount of people skills possible
Unionizing is always a better option :D
You were doing the right thing, don’t let bad people/corporations convince you otherwise.
At the start of my career, I did admin in our HR section…. I overheard two execs (known to be good listeners by staff) admit their willingness to listen was to ensure they could gather enough information to protect the companies liabilities.
If you think about Human Resources as your handler, it makes sense. They’re not there *for* the humans, they’re there to protect the corporation *from* the humans working there. They are 100% enemies of employees.
I really hate working for people. Bullying does not just happen in the playground anymore it happens in almost every stage of your life especially in the workplace.
Yes, 💯 true! And, it's so sad that this happens.
You are always working for "people" whether in a large corporation, small shop, independent contractor, or entrepreneur. The relationships vary, but you are always working for "people"
@@bradjackson497 We all know this. Clearly this person was referring to being an employee.
I wish I could be 100% self employed. I’d get a caravan hitched to a stagecoach, pulled by either horses or mules, and run a traveling theater out of the caravan. With that, I would tour the world…”Lon-don! Paris! Monte Carlo! Con-stan-tin-o-po-lee!” **twerks**
@@trevorlambert4226 thank you!!
One of my best friends who dedicated her life to becoming an HR generalist because she thought they helped people, was devastated when after completing her schooling and getting hired that she found that this was the case over and over again. She couldn’t help anybody if the owner/c-suite didn’t want to.
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I think she wants to be in a union.(are there bad unions yes, just like there are good HRs)
So...did she think she was entering a convent or the Peace Corps? She wanted to become a generalist for WHAT reason? Had she never set foot in an HR department before she started school? And while she was studying, didn't it ever once occur to her that what she was being taught didn't correspond with her warm fuzzy beliefs? Didn't she have an HR internship anywhere while she was in school? And while she was interviewing for her position, did no one so much as mention what her job description would be? Really? Was she sold into white slavery or something without her will and her knowledge? Your friend doesn't sound particularly bright.
@@maxalberts2003 she does work in hr…
Maybe in a better world, HR could act as what newspapers used to call their "ombudsman." An ombudsman-HR rep could work first to treat people respectfully and justly. Your company has other people to focus on the bottom line. Unfortunately, I don't think an Ombudsman-HR rep could exist in our world. I think the problem with HR is not that it isn't an Ombudsman-HR department. The problem is that it fosters the false idea that it is an Ombudsman-HR department. What is a news ombudsman? A news ombudsman receives and investigates complaints from newspaper readers or listeners or viewers of radio and television stations about accuracy, fairness, balance and good taste in news coverage. He or she recommends appropriate remedies or responses to correct or clarify news reports.
HR has 3 main functions. 1) onboard and terminate human slaves. 2) protect the company image with the media. 3) protect the company from or minimize the damage from lawsuits.
Wow. As a young and (admittedly)
naive employee, this was incredibly helpful to know up front.
Well... As a wrongfully terminated former HR professional who suffered from her own department incompetence, I have to say that Branigan's videos opened my eyes on some very important things. My pink glasses are lost forever.
I concur...the company culture can make or break you. In your case, the company would rather keep foolishness than correct the problem. As an HR professional, it happened to me as well.
You guys! I am HR Manager now. It was just a matter of finding the right company with values that would match my own. Sometimes it is better to step away and look for the company where your opinion and expertise are validated.
@@iuliiakamalova6904 HR professional that used to terminate employees... got terminated. The irony, so funny
@@speisequark2 never terminated anyone actually.
My position was in Training and Development at that moment.
Irony is an art which is not available to many. Assumptions are rarely helpful too.
@@speisequark2 why u have to be so mean?
YES, everyone just starting work out of college needs to learn this. I'm an old fart, 30+ years in corp in high tech companies. HR absolutely doesn't keep confidences. The few times I went to them with anything beyond minor, my manager knew I had talked to them before I got back to my office. I swear they have a big red button under their desk which alerts your manager and starts a recording.
Document, document, document everything once you start to see a pattern of anything that prevents you from doing your best work. You may never need it, but it helps to show a timeline, a pattern and also to help you think if what you are witnessing is a one-off which you can handle yourself, or a pattern of bad behavior. Companies will keep bad people on and get rid of the one who complains!
And if you get harassed or attacked at work, never talk to HR first, call the police. HR will hate this but you need to protect yourself. It's not different than if the incident happened anywhere else, call the police and file a report.
Just to add to this.. Even with timelines of incidents and cameras they will still say that they did 'not see anything". So even if you think you are covered.. You still might not be!!!!!
So how do propose your problem gets solved without talking to other employees who would have direct knowledge of the situation you are complaining about?
I complained to HR and HR did something. But, I prepared documentation and recording for almost 3 years (one party consent state). My boss was making people in the office cry daily and demanding unethical actions. I didn't know if I would complain until one day she completely went off the deep end during evaluations. When I submitted, I had hours of recordings and well over 60 pages of documentation of illegal and unethical actions. And I had my copies of it as well. Turned out I was the last person in my division to complain (there were 6). After literally everyone who worked for her had filed a formal complaint and they got my over-sized folder if a complaint, they took action and within a few weeks we had a new boss. But I firmly believe that's because all of the documentation made it crystal clear that she was a liability.
@@angelfishluva291 True that because it happened to me.
@@robertbrown2706 Mr.Brown: There is a novel you should read: The Caine Mutiny, if you haven't already done so. The character who kept records of all the leadership failings had an unhappy ending,which is important to know why.
Regards
I'm in IT and we work very closely with HR. I am Canadian but help manage branches in California, Maine, and New York. HR is a totally different beast in the states. Nearly every communication is some form of "find me everything against so and so," or, "lock so and so out of X and Y," and they are so closeted about every little thing. The difference: HR in Canada is regulated and CEOs have been slapped hard for de-escalating HR complaints like you describe, so HR CAN tell the boss what to do, and I've had the pleasure to see it happen.
There was a huge shift in the role and attitude of personnel department changing to HR. Sometime in the 80’s it went from nice helpful older ladies working in personnel to evil HR director. HR was given power that didn’t exist before. I worked at Caterpillar world headquarters and it was a day and night shift once the switch was thrown. Power crazy.
A lot of that is due to lawsuits exploding around circa 1980.... Suddenly HR people felt more threatened and insecure due to paranoia about being sued.
Mantra: "I'm here to make money, not friends." Be friendly, but never say anything to a coworker that you wouldn't say directly to your boss. And never talk to HR beyond the hiring process.
Exactly. HR, stands for Huge Runaround. If you feel you need their help, time to leave
My hr every November will ask me if I want the company healthcare which I always say no. That's the most I talk with hr.
In all of my decades of work, I have never EVER complained, nor given any notice of quitting. My philosophy is - They wouldn't give me two weeks to fire me. And, since I'm firing them, they get the same treatment. I DON'T talk to HR, I just start applying for another job, and then once hired, give the old boss the worst day of his life at work before quitting with a smile.
@@obd3256 You sound like a very mature, professional employee. What an infant!!!
@@maxalberts2003 times have change buddy good luck keeping up with the professionalism show
It should be called corporate resources not human. Human is a laugh.
@Lisa Rivera even better i call them the Human Rejects department.
@@salv236 Human Trafficking department.
It’s called Human Resources because they see humans as a resource, not as people
@@Bingewatchingmediacontent Human Rejects is more appropriate
@@Bingewatchingmediacontent exactly. They manage (control) the human resources of the company,
Had an HR rep at a previous company that actually spelled out significant parts of what you said. Management hadn't been particularly forthcoming with the employees about certain issues and was hoping we wouldn't notice certain policy changes or would acquiesce to certain requests without investigation. This HR rep confirmed several items and highlighted others where it was clear the company was not being direct with us but also cautioned me that in her position she could only bend so far before the company would simply replace her with someone more obedient, removing what little she could already do to protect us. I had a lot of respect for her, even knowing that she represented the company's interests first.
I was at an employee wellness event and one of the new hr managers introduced themselves. They made it clear they were available to anyone at any point in their career. Very nice, promising, lots of experience under their belt. I was a bit apprehensive, however, when they remarked that while they would fight for you, they would “give it to you straight and not hold anything back.” As in, to say, they’ll tell you if you’re in the wrong and what needs to happen.
Walls go back up.
As much as I’d like to trust you, my gut tells me I’d be speaking with my union rep first. I’ll know if I’ve done something wrong, I don’t need a company spokesperson burying me under the building.
Be careful with your union rep too, sometimes they’re in bed with HR. I speak from experience.
@@greatesttoysevermade3693 and management too.
Yeah, also the Union reps side with hr..... it's bad for junior employees in this world.
@@olwethujela5325exactly
My wife specifically went into HR to be able to help workers and be an intermediary. She was really good at what she did. So good in fact that all the people loved her, and her boss targeted her for termination.
Turns out the job description, that she was fulfilling extremely well, wasn't really what the company wanted HR workers to do.
When I was working in HR, I was young, idealistic and in a junior role. Over time, people would increasingly come to me with tricky problems because I was the only one they could trust to retain confidentiality. As you can imagine, I worked in the job for years without promotion, and some of my peers were openly hostile towards me.
I only advanced in HR when I worked in the statistics, because I wasn't seen a a team player, ie. not prepared to throw innocent people under the bus. In stats, I would never sugar coat inconvenient results with inappropriate chart scales or omitted info. I never got promoted from that one either haha
I have a question though. If the people who get into HR, do so with the best intentions, becasue they want to help people. Why then, when they find out it's all a sham do they stay in the job? Why did you stay?
@@DaGleese Ambition. Promotions. I was never promoted. Every advance in pay came from going to a new workplace.
It took me over two decades to achieve a pay scale that more compliant people achieved or surpassed in just a few years. I needed work, like anyone, and all I could get related to my work experience, which was HR. It's easy to get stuck in a work role.
What HR doesn’t know is that keeping a really bad employee will costs them sooner or later, once a situation gets bad enough that the employee gets a lawyer and sues the company, so it worth to investigate, discipline and/or get rid of the really bad actor in the long run.
But they won't.
true
Sounds like common sense. My employer doesn't exercise that liberty.
@@tsmith3522 Same here very poor management. Scared of the bullies, narcs...
This video is 100% spot on.
I usually tell people that HR knows how to take the “Human” out of “Human Resources.”
I was recently part of a large layoff. I complained along with others (and on their behalf as I was a director) about an abusive Karen we had working in the company. Less than a year afterward, I documented all of the abuse, the DM's emails, etc from myself and others that we endured. I emailed this to the HR "partner" assigned to our group. Without warning, I was laid off shortly afterward. No performance plan, no discipline, no write-up, just terminated. This is a very real issue in America. You have no control of your employment, your freedom, or your life.
Thats why loyalty is not a thing anymore
A similar thing happened to me Imported non-English speaking bosses picked on people (not their own kind) constantly, I made a stand and after years of outright third-world bullying was laid off and this was a govt owned engineering organisation. In retrospect I would see a Lawyer first up and at least force a better payout, I would also focus on looking after myself first and use every government law under the sun to drag it out. I think it's time for workers to arm up and if your union is not going to fight for you - you have to fight by yourself, you can't win but you can extract a few coins when you go. Time for a paradigm shift in employee mentality. They think you're the enemy - leave them in no doubt that you are.
In my case, my teammate reported the manager with evidence in mail ( it was about overtime policy), but she still work until now, then will leave team at the end of this month. In the time she managed, some left the company, some left the team including me -- those DM is cold-blood anyway. My new DM just says that my work is soooo easy peasy, even that he doesnt know what I work for in detail
It's fucking depressing how Europe is this unimaginably dystopian shithole to live in, but then you have to listen to Americans tell you about how the US is so much worse that to them Europe unironically seems like some kind of enlightened civilized paradise.
Apparently I live in the best culture on Earth yet it's an inhuman hellhole. How are any of you even still alive? I can't imagine surviving past my teenage years. They literally sell guns in stores over there, so there is no way to keep yourself from committing suicide because it's so damn easy. Cops literally shoot people for no reason. And college? Lmao. I don't even come from a poor family but there's no way my parents could have afforded the Anerican prices.
@@woodliceworm4565 that was beautifully written.
I wish I knew this info before I complained to HR regarding an abusive narcisist. You described precisely what happened - I had a target on my back, I became the focus of the investigation and got written up for incredibly ridiculous things. To my absolute shock and horror, I became the focus of the investigation and consequently my health deteriorated horribly from the stress of it all. I learned a disturbingly nasty lesson - never talk to HR! I will deal with any problems I have on my own or find another job if the situation is bad enough!
I'm sorry you went through that. Hang tough.
Same here, i blew the whistle on a boss and 3 co-workers stealing company property, got labeled as "disgrunteled" and was dragged through the mud for almost 2 years. My lesson learned : GET A BODY CAM and a lawyer.
@@ianbrowning7437 Forgive me, but it's really hard to see why your company wouldn't step in immediately when told of the theft. Are you in the USA? Is the company perhaps a small business and/or family-owned? By your own admission you had no physical evidence to back up your claim. If the organization itself is honest and maintains a profit margin--or a goal toward it--it's almost impossible to imagine the scenario you describe. How do you know that you were "labeled as disgruntled"? Did you have access to your employee file? How long ago did this situation occur? Precisely HOW were you "dragged through the mud"? You SOUND disgruntled. It's naive in the extreme to go forward with an accusation for which you have no evidence or documentation. Have you ever heard the expression "tilting at windmills"? Was there no union rep or employee advocate to guide you in the process? Small businesses are notorious for this kind of behavior and if they're small enough they're generally immune to laws that otherwise govern the day-to-day workplace. It astonishes me that no one ever sat you down and told you this stuff before you went forward.
@Max Alberts bruh do you go to every comment about someone speaking their bad experience just to call them a liar and shit on them and say "its probably your fault i cant possibly see how a company could do wrong"
look at the fucking news. read history. look at our economy. Just because your life is perfect and you've never had issues with your work doesn't mean it never happens to other people 🙄
Why did you never join up to our unions? They are super helpful in knowing this stuff and will have your back
The only time I hear from HR is when I speak my mind, and they warn me that I shouldn't be doing that.
The only time I ever went to HR was to tell them that I was quitting and leaving their sorry asses.
I always had the mentality to not trust HR. In my opinion they are there to save the managers and the company. My only experience was when I made a complaint to a third party, the HR got involved and called me to set a meeting to talk about it. I got wrongfully fired that same day and never got that “talk with” or even another call from HR. The HR/Managers/Loss Prevention were all working together to get me fired. The issue was I complained about the most valuable supervisor at the building so I was fired to just shut me up and have my complaint disappear. Luckily I’m union and I was able to fight and prove I was fired due to retaliation and I got my job back with back pay.
"Luckily I’m union and I was able to fight and prove I was fired due to retaliation and I got my job back with back pay." At that point would you even want to go back to work at a place like that??
Alexandra4real people have asked me the same question. It is a toxic environment at my place of employment but it is a job I enjoy doing and a job I plan on retiring at. So yes I wanted my job back at the end of the day.
Unfortunate my company is a Non Union company. But Fortunately, I have a great Atty that took my Case. The SAD part about this Guy, Management and HR is going to Cost the CEO alot because they can't seem to Keep Employees Now. But, I want Allow them to Silence My Voice. Thank God for Social MEDIA😪mamashod💔
Put simply, HR invented itself. The people who work there are mostly unqualified for the power they wield.
It would be great to have people in power at companies who actually give a fuck about all employees including the lower level ones.
I applied for HR recruitment once, the selection went really well until at the final user interview, I disclosed that I was also working part time as a counsellor and they asked me why I worked there in which I replied that I was passionate about helping people. The air kinda changed after that, and soon enough I got an email saying I got rejected. Not fully attributing the rejection because of that, but it's a bit sus lol
So the truth slaps you in the face and you deny it
Your story sounds a bit fishy.... since companies do not send out rejection emails. And why would some passionate about being a counsellor suddenly switch lanes to HR?
@@GregMoress They do send them. I've gotten several.
@@GregMoress consider this, there's more in this world than just murica lmao it sucks that yall companies dont do that tho praying for u guys...
So what they really wanted are psychopaths?
The people who work in HR are all what they call "Little Eichmanns". I'm now retired, but was definitely raised under the impression that HR were... human. Took a few experiences to learn the truth they are only there to protect the company and can be very, very cruel and dishonest and immoral. Your use of the white board and colored markers is really good!
I went to HR once in 13 years of employment due to a manager asking me to sign a “conversation note” for a conversation that didn’t go the way he write it at all. As I was sitting in HR I realized your #1 point here. Then I just felt like I screwed up by going to HR and wanted to get the hell outta there. I stuck to my guns and the manager ended up rewriting his conversation note to what I asked him to make it but HR did not help at all with that.
I am a manager at a large company and I can say without a doubt that I have NO CLUE who's side HR seems to be on. Because it's not mine and it sure isn't my employees. I honestly think they exist to keep anything from getting done at all.
They are on the side of the COMPANY.. not the people
@@miketran4289 reading is fundamental
I totally agree as a long time Manager. The role of HR seems to have been scaled back over the years. They don’t really seem to provide much assistance to Managers or the employees.
HR really doesn’t provide much assistance to employees any more. On the flip side, a lot of tasks that were traditionally considered to be an HR role have been deferred to Managers
@@miketran4289, if you actually read the comment you responded to or listened to the video you would clearly see that that is NOT the case.
They are certainly not for the employees but at the same time they are certainly not for the employer due to all the successful wrongful termination lawsuits brought against companies as highlighted by the video
In most companies I think HR is a tradition that could suddenly die one day. Companies are trend followers, like they are all trying to adopt the "vertical" model now after finding out from the last decade that "omni-channel" was too hard for them. If one influential tech company figures out that managers fill all the HR functions except for getting new hires to fill in some forms and agree to some policies which could all be done one a website.
The big lesson I’ve learned over the past 10 years or so at my job is NOT “HR is not your friend”,.. but what you mentioned that “Leadership will do pretty much whatever it wants (lacking any accountability)”. Bad Leadership is a far more poisonous thing to an organization than bad HR.
Bad leadership seeks out bad HR they go hand in hand
What's that old say you don't quit jobs you quit managers. Course it gets compounded because they will work to get HR that lets them do their bullshit
You're right that bad management and owners are far more damaging than bad HR, but that's not the point of the video, though. HR is supposed to protect company interests, so is management. Companies are usually structured to favor growth and profit, so no matter what is the right thing to do. "Good" leadership (good as in effective, not moral good) in a company setting is often only concerned with maintaining profits and assuring growth, and they gladly let a lot of nasty stuff slide to achieve that goal.
Got fired for putting my foot down against an older coworker that overburdened the rest of the team with her work and also was buddybuddies with the company's owners.
Bad HR is a symptom of how bad leadership anyways. The severity of the symptom dictates the deadliness of the disease
When I started out of college in food manufacturing, I've of the most common pieces of advice I was given was, "don't go to local HR. Go to corporate." Local HR sat with management and were friends with them. Not a single individual who had to deal with them said anything other than, "they made it clear they represent management."
Thanks for this video - I literally removed my HR employee for my company and hired instead a project manager. Instead of my other employees having issues with performance of others and handling projects, the project manager now remediates these issues and brings me in for additional approvals if necessary.
My team is only 20 IT professionals and we have to service several clients, so it didn't make sense to keep HR around since we kept having issues on how to handle day to day troubles where 99% of them were "employee X still hasn't handled this issue with a client" so may as well just give my employees a professional resource whose primary goal is organization
I thought they were there to protect me as an employee but to my shock and immense surprise they just enabled the people and situation to get worse.
Almost ALWAYS, at most places. This is how most giant out of control corrupt corporations operate! PURE EVIL!!!
10000%
I don't know why people asume HR is there to protect the employee? It could do it, but it is incidental, HR protects the companies from internal liability, that sometimes means protecting employees so the employees don't sue, this sometimes means firing employees so they don't force them to fire a person they can't afford to fire.
and then the piece of shit corporates making money donate to piece of shit lawmakers to get tax laws adjusted in their favor and soon "the greatest country in the world" turns into a machine that does nothing but generate money for itself and forgets the people it got its money from in the first place.
The HR is there to help employees. What most people fail to see the victim and the abuser both are EMPLOYEES.
This is exactly what happened to me when I reported my boss for committing fraud and violating the false claims act. Once it became clear that I couldn’t solve the problem within the company I had no choice but to find an attorney and file a lawsuit. Worst two years of my life. But in the end when it all came to light it was very vindicating.
I've been sexually harassed and groped multiple times at work but HR refuses to do anything about it and even asked me why I was so taken aback because I'm a guy.
I was put on a final for respect/sexual harassment for bringing in an award winning children's book to the team Christmas celebration.
When HR talked to me about my personability and general disposition (I'm a musician and an author so I've learned to become generally amicable and well spoken) they asked if I was abused as a kid, I told them yes and was told that shouldn't affect my conduct and I need to be nicer. They invalidated me and told me to stop using my childhood as an excuse for not being more reverent...
HR made it a point to be difficult with the police officers when my vehicle was broken into at the company parking lot.
I was told I'm not promptable because I have too much going on outside of work (on a label, traditionally published, teacher, etc...) And the company doesn't want to waste time training someone who isn't invested in a career pathway.
They allowed a former supervisor to bully and harass me, to the point where he was denying me bathroom breaks and constantly telling me I was at the bottom of the vitality curve.
A coworker at their significant other have begun harassing me and monitoring where I go outside of work, but HR names it as hearsay. The police said they also can't get involved unless they make a physical threat.
On that, I was told getting the police involved with anything would result in my termination.
And they've straight up told me I'm not allowed to report any harassment, misappropriation, or foulness of any kind as that would be reprisal on my part.
Leave the job. Even if it puts you in financial stress. This is not worth it.
Talk to them, record them, sue them
GO. TO. THE. POLICE. Sink that fucking company, suck it up, take the plunge, start over. Cunts like these are not worth to waste your precious life time on, mate. All the best to you and good luck for your future!
@@nobodythenobody9779 X2 SUE THEM, document! document document, do noot worry getting fired as long as you have documentation and start looking for lawyers to contact immediately after being fired. In the termination meeting do not sign anything (now youre not their employee anyway)and tell them you need a couple days to think about signing or consulting with your family BUT go to a lawyer and file a lawsuit!
Sounds like you need to talk to a lawyer
I saw this happen at a prior job. The person who went to HR was put on a PIP and then let go, but the person who was responsible for the problem is still there to this day.
Bullies always win
I went to HR once to ask what they were looking for regarding skills and knowledge needed for promotion in other departments. HR went straight to my supervisor and told them I was trying to move departments. I was quickly blacklisted because i didn't go to my supervisor. Thanks HR!
your workplace is terrible.
My supervisors, HR, department leaders and plant manager are all actually nice and helpful. things may take awhile but with cross training lots of back and forth helping out departments that were short staffed and proving i can do the job better than those who been in there for years i was eventually placed in the department i wanted to be in
i got better pay and friendlier co-workers. i have no problem doing a ton of overtime in my new department because i like working there.
A friend who's a senior HR manager told me once that HR professionals are like bishops on a chess board:
They only move in one type of way and it's an error to expect that be able to move in a different way. Most of the time, they only deal with hiring and firing.
😂 brilliant metaphor
The HR lady at a company I worked for 10 years was completely on the company side 1000% of the time, would actively work against former employees getting workman's compensation or unemployment, and sweep any wrongdoing, negligence, or harassment under the rug. They are not on the employees side, at all.
I worked in HR at a nonprofit organization which I assume is a bit different in culture. I feel like we generally did a good job and really tried to help out with worksafe conditions, giving clear communication about resources to the staff and how to use us to understand things like medical insurance etc.. But some days it really felt like we were the middle sibblings between employees and management. Management wants everyone to act like robots and be perfect while some employees just didn't communicate at all and would let situations spiral out of control until the blame was put on us for not doing anything when we weren't even in the know in the first place. We bought essential safety equipment for every job site and trained everyone multiple times to use it no matter what and told the supervisord they have to ensure that practice, and then a few weeks later we have two employees in the hospital because they chose not to wear the safety equipment 🤦♂️. We also had someone who was hired on a casual basis but was required to work at least a few hours every month. When they didn't show up for 3 months even after we were in communication with them, we terminated them and then they got extremely angry and threatened to bring the union into it because we were being unfair despite it literally being in their employment contract
I never forgot when someone said HR was there for the company, not you.
@@fml5910 whatever here we go with the race bs
@@sagittariuslady2846 Not racist at all, just the truth!
I’m learning that the hard way. I’ve never even had an HR dept until the job I’m currently at.
I learnt the hard way. When they took something I said to them in confidence and used it against me later.
Never *EVER* trust an HR person.
I actually agree with you. Talking from my personal experience one of my colleagues anonymously sent an email as a Whistle blower to HR (per HR policy) to complain about the supervisor who used to swear and treat employees like trash. Rather than questioning that supervisor HR ended up interrogating everyone in the department harassing them to tell the name of that individual. This resulted in everyone in the department resigning in just a span of 6 months as the work environment became too hostile.
wow
it's right there in the name: "Human RESOURCES". Their job is not to help *you*. Their job is to reduce liability and maximize productivity for your bosses. When you understand this, it becomes immediately obvious why they do things like, force every employee to watch a boring and condescending yearly video about sexual harassment and why it's bad, and then push every real accusation of sexual harassment they get under the rug.
I'm from Canada. What is your advice? Same here being bullied, mobbed, gaslighting, harassed at the hospital for over 12 years. I've happened to be the top worker for 38 years and have never been suspended. These bullies are jealous and miserable people. Union, manager, HR and the police are all totally useless. Bullies are lazy bums and stupid managers are scared of the bullies. They say about me I'm crazy, I drink, I'm a stalker all bs defamation of character. The biggest mistake since they removed disciplinary measures. They should arrest the bullies and fire the manager. Action speaks louder than nasty words. It destroyed my reputation. I will never quit to make these lazy bums ever win. If I decide to transfer to another hospital and may start mobbing me once again, I don't know all the new managers etc. like in every department like now. So best to not change hospitals. I will never let bullies try to control me from quitting. Never let these low life lazy bums win ever win.
I'm from Canada. What is your advice? Same here being bullied, mobbed, gaslighting, harassed at the hospital for over 12 years. I've happened to be the top worker for 38 years and have never been suspended. These bullies are jealous and miserable people. Union, manager, HR and the police are all totally useless. Bullies are lazy bums and stupid managers are scared of the bullies. They say about me I'm crazy, I drink, I'm a stalker all bs defamation of character. The biggest mistake since they removed disciplinary measures. They should arrest the bullies and fire the manager. Action speaks louder than nasty words. It destroyed my reputation. I will never quit to make these lazy bums ever win. If I decide to transfer to another hospital and may start mobbing me once again, I don't know all the new managers etc. like in every department like now. So best to not change hospitals. I will never let bullies try to control me from quitting. Never let these low life lazy bums ever win.[
I had it explained as "HR is the left hand of the legal department...They are there to manage a company resource that happens to be human."
HR is like the olde timey phone operator that manually connected your calls and listened in on your call and then gossiped with their coworkers hoping to have the juiciest story of the day.
Same for receptionists.
I'm from Canada. What is your advice? Same here being bullied, mobbed, gaslighting, harassed at the hospital for over 12 years. I've happened to be the top worker for 38 years and have never been suspended. These bullies are jealous and miserable people. Union, manager, HR and the police are all totally useless. Bullies are lazy bums and stupid managers are scared of the bullies. They say about me I'm crazy, I drink, I'm a stalker all bs defamation of character. The biggest mistake since they removed disciplinary measures. They should arrest the bullies and fire the manager. Action speaks louder than nasty words. It destroyed my reputation. I will never quit to make these lazy bums ever win. If I decide to transfer to another hospital and may start mobbing me once again, I don't know all the new managers etc. like in every department like now. So best to not change hospitals. I will never let bullies try to control me from quitting. Never let these low life lazy bums win ever win.l
HR Senior Expert , 20 years in the HR section.
After the transition of my department in an other country, my new Teamleader decided , I am suddenly a low performer and a toxic team member. Bossing for 1,5 years - I tried to stay strong, proofed several times the opposite of her allegations. I asked for help the HR Business Partner. Big mistake: The terminated my contract and now I’m waiting for the hearing in front of the court.
I confirm your are absolutely right.
I’m convinced there is a ritual all HR directors go through to extract their souls from their bodies right before they start in their position.
the only purpose of HR in our company is to make sure people get absolute minimum wage, delaying promotions to the maximum, and invent all ways possible to make sure undesired colleagues quit "voluntary" including character assassination and victim blaming. it sure is a special kind of personality that is willingly working in that function
Absolutely right! I went to my local HR rep at Comcast (the worst company on earth) when I was harassed by 2 fellow web developers on my "team". They were 20-somethings and I was a 50-something and they constantly made sport of my age. I had emails, photos, screen captures, names, dates, and places detailed. I turned this over to the local HR person who escalated the matter to the national HR demons in Philadelphia. They turned all my documentation around blaming me for the issue and convinced me to transfer to another department in the same town where I was promptly put on a 'coaching plan' and terminated within a week. HR reps are slimy creatures. The only time I've been fired in 38 years of work.
Sorry you had to deal with that. Get a lawyer
Oh big deal. They made fun of you cause of your age. Grow a pair and get over it dude. Learn to laugh at it instead of getting hurt by it. I woulda fired you for not being able to take a joke too.
Definitely talk to a lawyer about that if you haven't already. Especially if you have documentation of all this. That's both age discrimination and a whistleblower lawsuit waiting to happen.
Long story made short. I worked at Magic Mountain. Saw a minor employee get molested by a manager. Went to report it. The company gave me a couple of days days off, (they have a point system for being late, too many points you get fired). I got called in the office and got fired for being a no call no-show. Also, put me on the no rehire list, which is usually reserved for employees who did awful things. Found out later from friends I worked with over 60 people entered in a class action lawsuit for the same thing. Also, they never fired the manager who still works there. The only reason why they won't fire him is because he works at the Johnny Rockets location, which Magic Mountain has a huge contract with which means this $$$$$$$, and they don't want Johnny Rockets to find out.
Name and shame
Name and shame
Name and shame
If they punish you for nothing, you might as well do everything.
Not name and shame, report them directly to local law enforcement and the FBI. This is a crime, not a blunder.
I don’t work in HR and i’ve never had to go to HR for anything but i am a CNC programmer/machinist listening to this video in the background at work and your CNC comparison caught me super off guard and gave me a chuckle, great vid
Exactly. And this is valid for so many things!
- HR is not there to protect you, but the company (people in power in the company)!
- Police is not there to protect you but the government and people in power!
- Military is not there to protect you but the government and people in power!
- Regulations are not there to protect you but the government and people in power!
continue the list
When I complained to HR about being bullied not long after I got fired their excuse was that my job role was no longer needed
Wtf I would have attempted to go to the news afterwards
That's a Pretext to cover the Underlying Discriminatory reason to eliminate your position. Always remember you have up to 185 days to file with the EEOC.
I've been telling coworkers this for years. I tell them that unless it's something that the company can get sued for, HR is not going to help you and you'll end up with a target on your back by the boss.
Well, you are a target anyway if you feel like you have to talk to them. Talking to HR just accelerates the termination, but not going to HR will not prevent it from happening. At this point, we have to think of HR as a way to follow the protocol to protect ourselves, and the most important thing that this attorney is mentioning and a lot of them on RUclips: We need to write down the incidents.
Calling in from a commercial train operator in Scandinavia here. HR is a *bleeping* night mare, and I have come to realize that this is an issue all over the world. IDK what is the matter with them, but the past 5-10 years HR has grown to an absurd size. They seem to think and act in a way that makes it look like they are more important than the crews operating the trains, selling tickets, cleaning or servicing and so on.
I am now retired, but I worked as a manager for 14 years. HR exists to support management. They will help employees on occasion, but their mission statement states that they provide management quality support. At times, it becomes necessary for employees to deal with HR, but employees should do so very carefully and with eyes wide open. I look forward to seeing the next video.
This is precisely why the work place is so evil and wicked. The rules and regulations cause workers to essentially not give a shit about anything or each other outside of doing the job and going home each day. It makes you a drone and turns you into a slave. Sad but true. All of this information is spot on and vital to anyone who wants to know the hard truth about human resources at any company and how they essentially function.
Basically look for another job!
@@robertjrussotti1037sadly 80% or more of companies are like this. I've worked 8 jobs in my 13 years in the work force, 4 retail, 2 service, 1 private owner, and now in warehouse, every one of my jobs hr has been like this.. It's disgusting and makes me less than patriotic about the workplace.
I think you can replace “human resources” with “human nature”. Greed, selfishness, self serving, cruelty and abuse are all human nature. I’ve seen it too many times to deny it, in workplaces, relationships, between neighbours, at the store, randomly on the street. People are the shittiest material to work with.
My company has 100s of training videos that they expect us to watch on our own time. One of them is titled How to Handle a Difficult Boss. It gives 30 examples on how to handle a difficult boss on your own and never to call HR unless your boss is physically abusive.
If you watch that video, you are put on a list of potential troublemakers.
Most of the time, HR Department doesn't exist to help human/ employee. They work to help employer. They are like your classmate who reports every single misbehaviour to your teacher.
You're absolutely right! I was involved in many ethics complaints at my workplace because I'm a shop steward. HR was created by companies initially as a counterbalance to a union. In most of these ethics complaint situations, the company used the actual report made as preload to set up a defense for any supervisors involved and protect the company. Employees were harassed relentlessly because of the ethics complaint to the point where they just drop the complaint.
I agree it's a façade. It's just another box to check off when creating a company. I agree HR protects them not you. I've complained to HR with 3 different companies and it never works. I ended up getting fired or quitting. I discovered that the harder I worked, the more I got taken advantaged of. So now I act like the ones that coast without issues. Ignore everything, act dumb and don't get involve with anything! No team work, pretend your busy or care!
Sad and true. I've resorted to the same behavior. I play dumb a lot.
@@jenwendy7 yep
I wanna get into hr but I really care abt hard Working people and honest at least I wouldn't want to treat anyone like that when I get it.
Sounds like a Seinfeld episode
I call it becoming invisible at work . It’s the way to keep a job
One of my last jobs had a very snakey HR person. Was gross. Told my manager everything I said as soon as I discussed a serious issue I had with them. I then slowly got pushed out of the company even though I basically ran all ends of the production floor. I was required to use my personal phone while on the production floor so managers could call me, yet the managers were writing me up for having my phone. Stuff like that. Made me furious.
That kills me. “Don’t use your phone on the clock.” Ok well stop effin texting me on it then hoss.
@@jsmithsemper4848 Yeah, that's one I have definitely seen. Seems to me that the *real* policy out there is generally - Don't use your phone on the clock unless the boss likes you.
Go to their competitors
Malicious compliance time?
Alternate between the two.
Why did I not answer my phone? Manager C told me I could not use my phone on the workfloor. I __should__ use my phone, you say? Okay, manager B.
Why am I using my phone? Manager B explicitly told me **I had to**. You want me to not use my phone? Okay, manager C.
Then after ten or so back and forths, ask Manager A to have a chat with B and C, because you're getting conflicting orders and it is affecting productivity.
@@Scapestoat "Then after ten or so back and forths" That's how you get written up 20 times and fired.
I've worked accounting jobs at many places and have been telling people basically exactly this for a while now. They shouldn't call it HR. Don't even get me started on how impersonal the hiring process is. Small private companies are closer to caring about employees but they still have lawyers. I used to be against unions and all sorts of things like paid parental leave for pregnant women and now with all the BS I have seen first hand with my wife's pregnancy I think unions are needed almost everywhere. My wife works on the LABOR AND DELIVERY UNIT in the hospital and has been treated very poorly by the nursing director. Yes, you read that correctly. On a healthcare unit where the focus is healthy pregnancy and babies she literally feels like they could care less about her pregnancy and unborn child. Also, this is at maybe the nation's premier hospital located in Southern Minnesota, not some rinky dink rural hospital, so it's even more shocking.
In retrospect - don't you regret it a little bit that only now, where it affects you, you are for health and work benefits and worker protection, parental leave etc? I am not saying this to point a finger at you or to make you feel guilty. But see, this is one of the major issues in society: lack of solidarity, and our inability to muster it, before we are affected ourselves. It's a lesson for the future. We need solidarity, or else "them above" just stomp all over us. And the U.S. absolutely SUCKS at solidarity (among each other) - see case in point the healthcare unit and your wife.
All problems in society lead back to government if you are able to pull out your magnifying glass and follow the trail. Google the article, "One Hundred Years of Medical Fascism" by Dale Steinreich for your first clue.
@@ErikLiberty Yeah, uh, I live in Europe with pretty much great health care and social networks, and while governments aren't perfect, they are a means to bring all the differing needs and various opinions and plethoras of wants of a society under one umbrella. This weird notion that the government is against you at all times, in a free democracy after all where you can participate in government to your heart's desire, is quite funny imo. Not saying that government cannot be abused ofc. It frequently is, depending ofc a lot on which kind of government it is.
It's quite true that HR varies in quality wildly, and this is because the HR department rarely has someone who has been dedicating their education and life to the pursuit of HR and dreamed of being a superstar HR manager. Secretary and HR department education background is the most wild and random of all the departments and so what we see is what happens when people without professional specialization get a job that is incredibly difficult and nuanced.
I remember my 1st corporate-type job in my 20s. It was during the in-house customer service training that I realized how the world really worked. People were referred to as end users. Techniques to close sales were actually coercion. During the training, the smart people had the best test scores, but later, on the sales floor, the narcissists & bullies made the money & got the praise.
We were penalized for not upselling items, it didn't matter whether the customer needed or wanted the extra items. The customers' personal details were duplicated and sold to other parties without consent. My worst experience was in call centers.
It's not just HR or the bean counters that are responsible for the toxic environment. It's our entire system. No matter where you are in the world the very fabric of society has been poisoned. Most comment sections on social media are vapid & dripping with hateful ignorant words from very disturbed people. I feel so sorry for us all and the future that awaits us.
We truly are doomed.
I have been working for 42 years. I have never been helped by HR. I only been hurt by HR. They are the hit men (women) of their executive management team. They are never fair. It is a corrupt profession.
I complained to HR exposing the corruption in my work place in hiring and firing illegally, and was fired. Then, I filed suit for retaliation 😂
Talked to someone from hr on the phone. Felt like I was being talked down to and being interrogated. I honestly don't feel like anything will change for the better now. Honestly I feel like going to hr has just put a giant ass target on my back. My situation is just going to get worse but because I need this job I need to just suck it up even if that means working with a supervisor who would rather I pass out and bust my head open than take time to make Sure that doesn't happen. I wish I was back in high school atleast the faculty and teachers actually cared about me and took my type 1 diabetes seriously. I honestly feel like....no one cares anymore and that I'm all alone.
You only think you need the job. But no one needs a job that is destroying their lives. Take a plunge and leave. It will get much worse at first, but you will pull through and it will get better when you find a place you can really be.
This is so true I had a complaint about my supervisor , & spoke with HR. Then about 30 minutes after I left my Supervisor comes into my office asking me why did I tell HR what happened. She even tried to close the door and confront me.
Yeah... Unless your supervisor is doing something illegal that was probably a bad move. Honestly if you have a bad supervisor and some gentle feedback isn't doing the trick you need to just look elsewhere for employment.
If you suspect that they will come after you, get a discreet recording device and a good Solicitor
Incredible how I do not live anywhere near California, let alone United States, and this video was still worth gold for me. This guy completely described how HR worked back in my company.
In my first position in first line management I was first happy when we got a dedicated HR-resource as a result of a merger. Finally, some help to be fair towards the employees!!
Very soon i learned that instead of HR protecting the employees from me, I had to protect my colleagues from HR.
We are not much different in Sweden
my parent had a boss who kept threatening and harassing her, and she went to HR and they did a "unbiased investigation" and refused to show the results, but said there was no wrongdoing from her boss, and the harassment and treats got worse. She had to quit and the company said it was her choice so she had less benefits than if she was fired. After 4 years she heard that he was quietly let go for unstated reasons, but a friend of hers who worked in another part of the company said that there were multiple women who filed harassment claims and quit not long afterwards. It seems HR and the company was protecting him and attacked the women he was harassing. Also I had horrible interactions with counselors in college where they treated me like shit and blamed all the problems I had with the school on me, saying that everything was my fault and the school had no fault at all.
I would have called the police take him to court and can even be locked up for 2 years is the law in Canada. I know because my cousin is a police officer
This is 100% right. A lot of HRs now call themselves Employee & Labor Relations which is more accurate. Larger institutions like mine take even greater measures to pull the wool over your eyes--e.g. they will send people to Equal Opportunity Access to "legitimize" telling people they are not truly being bullied
....When did this trend start? Who comes up with this stuff?
@@floydburney6060 EEO officers exist at many large institutions primarily to investigate potential violations of Title VII of the Civil Right Act - like discrimination or harassment based on race/gender/disability/etc.
They dont want to help employees. They want to have power over employees. They only want to help employees that give them more power
I am an HR practitioner and a student of law all the way from Ph. Those were straight forward thoughts about the HR profession. I would say, at the end of the day we are all the same workforce under the same employer. I have learned a lot and these are valuable opportunities to gain more insights and learn and improve. Wonderful content! it helps.
My HR rep told me that I was “out of ADA accommodation”.
That’s not how ADA accommodations work. You don’t run out. It’s not like sick days.
I’m glad to be gone from there.
Can confirm. I was in a "me too" situation before the movement where my boss's boss decided I was going to be his girlfriend. I was struggling with a health crisis at the time and was desperate for health insurance. I felt I had to stay and was young and unknowledgeable. HR took me to lunch almost every week. She'd call it "girl talk" and asked if I wanted to vent about any of the guys ganging up on me or my "boyfriend". When I finally quit, she whispered "oh good. Everyone here was really out to get you." And that was our exit interview.
this is very sad
Same
Wait what? Why was she asking if people were ganging up on you? Was that her way of being an informant to your boss?
@@sugarysweet5674 who can know for sure, right? But she was most likely trying to see if I was upset enough to sue or if I was considering taking action or whatever.
Additionally, when we took the "sexual harassment" training HR sends out, my "boyfriend" straight up joked that that's basically what he was doing to me. I told him that yes it was and he smirked knowing I couldn't do anything about it.
You need to contact a lawyer
in my case i was getting bullied by my team leader and it was really bad to the point he got physical, after some moths i told my superior that I wanted to change shifts to completely avoid him, it was a win-win situation, after some time my team leader confronted me because of an unknown complaint, basically my superior told HR my story without me knowing and a month later i got a resignation letter, i was working for 6 months at that company and i will be honest that i was a mess in the first months because it was my first job at my field but with time I got a lot better and I started to shadow my team leader and he didn't like that and so he started bullying me and messing with my workflow, a weak later after my resignation the HR contacted me to work again because my team couldn't handle the workflow and i was the only one capable of working with the new machines the company bought, in the first day a new guy entered in the team and my superior told me to train him to work in the new machines proficiently in a month, the next day i quited , basically the HR recontracted me again to train my substitute just to fire me again, fuck... pieces of sh...
no way... what company was that
One biggest issue with Corporates HRs are they constantly judges Employee . Not particular in any but can be Judging people even while using washroom, during lunch time, coffee break.
Even if you have a problem with your laptop , they will look at you that you broke it .
I was bullied out of a job, and when I tried to call HR, _they hung up on me._ The only people who actually enforce labor law are unions.
Well, what did you say to the HR person who hung up on you? Most professional organizations follow strict business and customer service procedures, unless you're working for some hick company. There had to be a reason you were hung up on--were you yelling? Swearing? What?
@Max Alberts I pointed out that the poor sound quality in their phone tree recordings violated accessibility guidelines, which it did.
I was calling about disability accommodations.
Then my boss said _I_ was rude.
@@maxalberts2003 Are you paid to do this?
@@Goodnightsrest Paid to have a dissenting opinion? I'd be a multi-millionaire. I'll tell you a brief story. There's an on-line group that objects to the values of 12 step programs and its members are fierce in their denunciation of them (AA, Al-Anon, etc.). I happen to disagree and so entered the conversation. It took less than 2 hours for me to be booted out of the group and permanently banned. "This is a support group for...." "We don't need you messing with our minds...." Etcetera. Etcetera. Dissent is becoming very rare but has always been unpopular. I state my opinions and let the chips fall. Never in my wildest dreams did I think that people could be so hostile, territorial and defensive. It was as if I'd broken into somebody's house and tried to rob it. That's exactly how I feel in re this video. People are out with torches and pitchforks when all I'm asking for is a civil conversation. What a sad take on contemporary life in the U.S. A.
@@maxalberts2003 Or you could just say you play “devils advocate” 🤷🏿
My HR person tried to say I only get 2 days bereavement time because the funeral of my mother wasn't part of the days off since it was on the weekend. Kentucky law states 3 for close family last I checked. This was, by her words, "company policy" and I said no, I have 3, and walked out of her office, got 3 days paid, and she wanted to make it sound like my boss "allowed" me to have my legally required time off.
Your boss is a crook.
@@RicardoSantos-oz3uj I mean, it was the HR rep, but I got my 3 days
Oh I got a story for this.
Basically at my workplace we need to clean a whole Highschool that is massive, we were 5 people in total and we could cover it all.
But one after another left and we ended in only two.
HR decided to help us by sending another person after the two of us suffered 3 weeks of headaches and stress.
But turns out they were about to give that person my place and didn't realized until she was about to sign the contract.
So until they fix that, we are still suffering and waiting.
You are absolutely 100% correct! The worst of the worst are the employer's who claim the have a whistle-blower program! They don't. A whistle-blower will always be labeled as a disloyal employee who no employer want to touch! Believe me I know!
I'm a certified human resource professional and damn you for being so right
The concept of HR is something I find myself drawn to. Helping employees and issues that they have would work well for me. But the problem is that they are employed by the company and can be controlled by the company.
You should quit.
One point to remember: keep a diary of work events that might place you at risk. They won't have a diary...you will. This can really pay off in a dispute or a court case. Tell no one that you keep a diary of significant events. Do not rely on your email trail. Send relevant emails to your private email address, or PDF the emails.
lol. No. At the time you think about sending that first email, time to leave.
It is smart to keep your own paper trail, but if you do anything on the company PC or email account they will very likely know exactly what you're doing. Things like sending company info to a private email address will probably be tagged for someone in IT or management to review. If it's their hardware and their network they have access and the right to see everything you do.
@Dagwould I see many people claiming this, but you realize that you keeping a diary doesn't prove anything, right? They'll just say you made it all up. I have no idea why you guys think it wiuld be worth wasting energy on this
@@DaveGrean this might depend on jurisdiction (I am not from the US), but where I am from the OP is entirely correct about keeping a diary. If you have a specific contemporaneous record of events and the company doesn't, it puts you in a much stronger position for all sorts of reasons. At the very least, it will be useful for your own legal representative, who may be able to use it as the basis for disclosure requests or other actions.
I’m four months into my first HR job and this was eye opening.
I was harassed for my age by a coworker (55) in front of my immediate supervisor. I had a conversation about it to my immediate supervisor who advised me to file a complaint. The HR manager "conducted an investigation" and found "no evidence of wrongdoing". I confronted my supervisor and he admitted that he told them exactly what happened. HR lied and threw my supervisor under the bus.