Expert Ski Lessons #7.2 - Body Position Long Turns
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Body position is an essential element of all skiing, get it right and it will make a big difference to the performance of your turns. In this ski lesson instructor Darren Turner looks at long turns and getting you stacked, ready for your next ski holiday.
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The trick about using one hand as lead during the turn, and how to switch hands, is fantastic. It helped me a lot.
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Hey +kerim abdul camber. Thanks for the great feedback and support. I'm stoked to hear that you appreciate our 'How to ski' series. I hope it's helping. Nods
Me and my dad really likes your videos . thanks for the help. Now I believe what my dad has been trying to tell me the whole time .
Ha haaa. Nice one +George Garland. Hard to believe but sometimes Dads do know what they're on about. At least now you can cross check it with the channel ;)
Thanks.These video are very helpful. I watched each one multiple times. Sometime I play them at 1/4 speed so I can see the body position better.
You're a great help man. And cool jacket!!
One of the clearest and most succinct demonstrations I've ever seen on what to do with your hands. Thanks!
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Great series. I am a new skier and working my way through all of them. I will review again and again.
I discovered your channel to help my children improve. I’ve been skiing since I was a toddler (50 yrs) and find your videos very helpful. I think I have some bad habits as skiing styles have evolved with the equipment changes over the years.
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Your videos are awesome! Wish I had you as an intructor!!! I have started sking later in life and still havent feel 100% confortable with my body position....will keep watching and trying...thank you
Great instruction and it really does work! Thanks Darren for the very helpful advice.
Love your ski lessons, you sum it up so well every time. Really useful tips!
Thanks Nick Paus. If you like the lessons you might also find our Apps helpful. Experts is due out any day now. itunes.apple.com/gb/artist/elatemedia.com/id390656741?affId=1894531
Excellent videos that make sense versus most that are disorganized explinations that confuse. The whole series is excellent.
Thanks for posting all of these. I've been skiing for quite a while now and I had plateaued on learning new techniques. Lessons haven't helped for quite a while now and these are giving me some new things to look at and work on while I am on the slopes! I'm excited to get up on the hill this year
Great to hear you've got the skiing buzz back Fireslingerpirate. Make sure you're subscribed as we've got more coming your way soon. Happy turns.
Supper advice. Especially the closing statement.
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Great explanation. Can’t wait to try that.
you are doing a great job with your videos. Thanks. This technique is very good and not many instructors use it. 10/10
Thanks for the positive james bennett. Glad you're enjoying our skiing lessons, more on the way.
I'm going to try skiing again next season after a 35 year gap, and will after ski lessons use these iPhone app lessons as a sort of extra tutorial starting with basics and working my way up. Hopefully I'll be able to stack turn sometime in the 2027 season.
Really good - will share with my students!
This excercise is Genius!
It would be awesome if you guys put out some more powder skiing tips, including tackling the steeps + deeps. Amazing channel though!
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I love your videos, they are really helpful. Could you make a video explaining when to use short turns and when to use long turns. I know they are a skill which should be applied according to the situation and your skiing should actually be a combination of both, but could you just clarify in what situations is best to use which type of turns, for example which one is better for steep slopes, which one is better for bumps. Thank you, you are great :)
Great skiing. Thanks for the video.
Thats a pleasure Luca Caleffi. If you like this we have a Ski School Expert App coming out shortly. Check our www.Facebook.com/skischoolapp for updates. Cheers
Apart from the great quality of this whole series, what microphone do you use, because the sound quality is incredible.
i dont know how many times i watched your videos
Really useful video series, many thanks! May I ask that on this long turn video, what was the radius of your skis? Many thanks!
beast ! really nice video's
Thank you for all the series of expert ski lessons, they are very informative and straight to the point. I have learned so much!
I had a question, do you have a video on how to ski backwards? I haven't found a really good video about it. Thanks again :)
Hi Marie Grace Alban. Great to hear that you're enjoying our Expert skiing lessons. Yes skiing backwards is on our list of films so stay tuned. We hope to have more films coming your way soon.
"Best educational video" yes, but there is more to it. English is not my native language, but all you are saying and showing is easily understandable. Actually... easier than in my native tongue :)
and there is no garbage in you lessons, and your seven deadly sins are really really great, I've got them all by the way, and I just love the way you glide, and ... many thanks, keep up the good work :)
thank you!
Incredible skiing technique I've learned so much for watching your videos thank you
That's great to hear, how was your winter? Did you get up into the mountains a bit?
@@skng thanks for the reply! I did! Went to Whistler bc.
Got lucky with the snow. It was glorious. Hope to meet you someday. What mountain are you at? Whats your home base?
can i practice this with my powertrack 89 by dynastar ?
I'm having some trouble knowing what the difference is between stacking and carving.
And when to use each technique.
I do notice that when stacking your down position is a little less then when carving. is that right to assume.
I have a question. I do fairly good linked carved turns on moderate slops but I find that when I am coming out of one turn and going into the next one, right at the point when I am de-weighting (is that a real word) I have to pull my butt in a bit in order to be in a good enough position to flex my ankles going into the next turn. Is this normal, or does it suggest I am falling back during the turn?
Are you carving in this? Also do I point my shoulders down the slope when doing these long turns?
Thanks!
Check out the Exercise at 1min30. The shoulders/body should follow the skis more in longer radius turns allowing you to stay stacked in a strong position.
When would I use short vs long turns?
Thank you for the great lesson! I have a personal question. What could be wrong if I feel my thighs burning on a long run?
Hey Xuezhou Zhang. Skiing can be tiring especially on longer runs so you may get leg burn. But why? Well it could be a few things the most obvious being strength and fitness. So before heading out on your next ski holiday try and get some good base fitness and strength in your legs. However it may also be your technique. Try and keep your hands forward and it should help bring your weight forward and take some pressure off the thighs. Take a look at this film for more:
ruclips.net/video/4zN9sxzX24I/видео.html&index=7&list=PLA893DD2FE6198306
Hope that helps. Cheers, Noddy
One thing I dont understand is this video is that u should lean forward whe skiing or u should stay centered??
Would this work for telemark technique?
I wish you could teach me on the slopes. The last time i went skiing. I broke my finger lol.
Dear sir, we miss your videos. Have you given up making them?
Hello. Link for android apps doesn't work. What's name apps for android? It is on android market still?
As a novice, what should you learn first - long turns or short turns?
It's probably best to start out with nice smooth, round, longer turns and get your technique dialled in. Then hit the short turns. Once you have those, then go ski the whole mountain and mix them up as needed/desired. Enjoy
By getting the arm to follow the ski.... doesn't that close of the body through the end of the turn risking the skier to put their weight on the inside ski and possibly moving them into the back seat.... and therefore making the start of the next turn more difficult....
Three things I've found that help make this a nonissue:
1. When making high speed turns forward pressure (shin pressure) is key to quickly controlling the turn radius by bending the ski a bit. The skis should naturally fly across your body when the turn is complete (naturally taking care of unweighting and weighting for you). This is better than trying to use your hips to increase edge angle since that ruins your 'stacked' form.
2. Pull your inside ski in ever so slightly before your pole plant. It should still lead, but the slight amount of pressure pulling it back can stop you from ending up in the back seat.
3. Pole plant far downhill on steep terrain. This forces your body out of the backseat and helps with driving the skis (aka tip 1)
Hey. In the previous video (short turns) Mark was telling us to keep the body facing straight down the hill and the legs move below us. Yet in this video he is saying the body remains following the skies. Can you quickly explain the contradiction, and what I have missed please. Any help appreciated.
That is a difference between short turns and long turns. When you are doing short turns, you keep the body facing straight down. That way, there is less mass you have to turn around when you switch direction, making it easier to turn.
The movie above is about long turns, which is different. You never need to turn quickly.
I'm now suffering from Skiing abstinence!
I'm curious, where do you film these segments?
Serre Chevalier
Man do u have another jacket
Even though it is a long turn there still should be upper-lower body separation. I don’t see you doing it.
I you teach and demonstrate turns with your feet apart and don't tell people how your weight is distributed, they are going to put too much weight on that inside ski, it will dig in when they get off balance and will end up spinning around.
You teach a student to get off the downhill ski completely to start a turn and balance on the One outside turning ski. They will try to get completely off it but will still leave some weight on it. That is Exactly how they should distribute their weight. Tell them it's OK to stand on both skis and they will put too much weight on the inside or uphill ski because of their fear of going to fast. They will lean into the hill for security. They have to learn to let their body lean down the hill when they balance on one ski. Parallel skiing is all about balanceing on one arch and then the other while you keep your upper body going down the hill.
Is this lesson classified as expert because the hill is steep, deep, or what exactly.
I think it's just the type of skills he is teaching. Beginner / Intermediate skiers are still trying to master parallel turns. Once the basics like that are down you should be able to concentrate more on body position and carving. I think that's the reason it's an expert lesson
Aussie accent?
0:20 How many times have you heard a ski instructor tell you, "You think about skiing from your feet up."? That is 100% incorrect. Just look at his turns here. First you Think about here you want to make the next turn. Then you look down the hill followed by your hands, chest, pelvis and finally your kneecaps as you get off your downhill foot and balance on the arch of your uphill foot. The exact opposite of what people teach you. Notice I said nothing about rolling the ankles over of flexing them. They will roll over because your pelvis is making your legs lean down the hill. You ankles bend because you are driving your knees down the hill as the skis turn under you in a braking action. The farther you keep your feet apart, the harder the weight transfer will be.
0:45 To simplify this, balance on your downhill arch. All those body parts will naturally fall into place without thinking about them.
1:20 Now here is the next thing to think about when you want to start a new turn. He is balanced on the arch of his right foot. His skis are taking his feet to the left. 1:22 When he wants to start a new turn, he stops the travel of his upper body across the hill and faces down the hill. That makes the skis go out from under him which helps with the leg angle change. You will get a bigger Snap to the turn the more you lean your hips back into the fall line.
3:07 If you keep your hands on the handlebars of the bicycle and point the front tire down the hill to start a new turn, your hands will stay out in front of you. Notice how he allows his chest to face in the General Direction of Travel in wide turns but he realigns it down the hill to start a new turn. That's why you always think, "I want to go straight down the hill, get of my downhill foot."
3:44 Now watch for this. When he wants to start the first turn, he gets off his left foot, lifts his left cheek and slides it onto the edge of a barstool. Envision him rocking his hips from the edge of one stool after the other. When he lifts that cheek, it forces his upper body to stay vertical so he is balanced no matter which arch he is standing on.
Your guidelines are quite well, though it's somehow disturbing hearing "get rid of the poles" while actually being a Pole... Just kidding, take care!
Nice theory but to bad the practical part doesnt really fit the theory. When i look at the axes the ine between the knees does not correspond with the shoulders. you're actually leaning into the turn more. Atleast from my point of view.
The problem when that happens is instability and to much pressure on the inner ski. Most skiërs are gone as soon as something happens under that ski when it has to much weight/pressure.
I think what he's trying to stress is the skis are leading the turn and the rest follows. Once you reach the stacked position you want to maintain it until the start of the next turn. Also this is for skiers who are already adept, they should know that the outside ski builds up the majority of the pressure. When his skis are tipped over, his shoulders are relatively level. Hope that helps...
Don't confuse yourself with this hand business. Just face down the hill and get off your downhill foot and balance on your uphill foot arch as the ski starts the turn. Then just ride it through the turn until you are ready for the next turn. Most exercises put you in a position you shouldn't be in or confuse you or have nothing to do with skiing.
I am confused. I can do the things in this video - ruclips.net/video/0e7-mNDgIXw/видео.html - quite easily. But I can't do what he's showing in the above. I'm confused how you're not skidding in the above video. It seems like you're going faster and putting more Gs into the skis, yet they carve pretty good while the video I referenced has you skidding a lot with seemingly no effort into the skis.
I never lean that far over. I'm wondering if the fact that he's leaning so far over is putting enough force / edge into the slope for the ski to dig in and carve rather than skid. Is that it?
Shin pressure helps. Drive the shin diagonally into the turn on the outside ski and imagine pulling the inside (uphill) ski back a bit (it should still lead). If you drive the shin aggressively you'll feel the ski violently turn across your body. You want a much more subtle version of this. If done correctly (at a somewhat brisk speed) you'll be able to practically lean over and touch the snow with your inside hand.
The trick is to separate the upper body (which is pole planting to aid in timing and balance) from the hips (which provide the edge angle) from the feet (which can initiate edge angle via the ankles and bend the skis using shin pressure). Especially on rough snow you'll find yourself making fine adjustments with your feet/shins although the technique for the upper body and hips remains the same.
If you're skidding a lot either:
1. You're on ice or your skis aren't sharp
2. You don't have enough edge angle (most likely). Make sure your initial turn has plenty of speed going right (if your next turn is left) and quickly transition to the left turn. Your bodyweight will load the ski on its edge and give you a nice sharp turn. If you just lean over with no force on the ski, you'll feel like you're going to fall over work on doing medium turns first. Fast, long turns are the hardest to get used to.
You hunch your shoulders and back too much.