I am Chinese. According to the mainstream view in China, the main purpose of the current aircraft carrier is to move forward to the waters east of Taiwan Island during the Taiwan Unification War to carry out area denial missions against the United States and Japan and target attacks on the east side of the Yushan Mountains. But no matter which one, the aircraft carrier will not become the main force. The main force will be thousands of missiles including hypersonic missiles and more cheaper rockets. In addition, a large number of drones ranging from giant to micro will be used in reconnaissance and strike.
Aircraft carrier is nice addition with so many fighter jet and drones but bcs it's close to china it's the reason china doesn't build nuclear aircraft carrier yet
Yup, clearly China will lean towards missile strikes with subs, destroyers, and frigates. However, the aircraft carrier strike groups will be needed for other kinds of missions that require aircraft attacks. Especially after the enemies air defenses are taken out.
Carriers are designed to operate far from the homeland, while yours are very close by due to your conventional energy sources and and predictable logistics. Predictability is never a good thing in actual conflict and you will easily find out in the eventual actual conflict.
Why would they? China has ZERO experience operating them and don't even have aircraft to use with them. China hasn't seen battle since the early 1970's and it's just about guaranteed if anything jumped off those carriers would be absolutely useless.
I’m sure they have the ship building capacities in its yards to build three at once …the dock they use in the construction of the Ford class carrier is large enough to build two carriers easily
@@sparkiegaz3613Chinese have shipyard that can building 6 carries at the same if they want two of them can build they build 20 at the same time......!!!!!!!!!!!
After Varyag refurbrished as Liaoning, the China haters were like "It's just a Cold War relic!" After China built Shandong based on Liaoning, the China haters were like "It's just a copy shit!" After China built Fujian which it is CATOBAR by EMALS and not ski-jump, the China haters were like "It's not nuclear-powered!" After China built 004 which it is nuclear-powered, the China haters were like "The American had already made a lot of those! It's an outdated technology!" PLAN "So what do you want? Do you want us to make a *nuclear-fusion* power aircraft carrier? With 6th Gen fighter jets and AI attack drones?"
PLAN "So what do you want? Do you want us to make a nuclear-fusion power aircraft carrier? With 6th Gen fighter jets and AI attack drones?" And their retord will be " You stole them by going into the future and steal them."
Note that China does not actually need to build nuclear powered aircraft carriers for its growing fleet, at least for defensive purposes. Aircraft carriers have the strategic role of "projecting power", in other words, to support air operations during offensives far from the mainland. There is strictly no such situation around the world where China would need to bring its air force capabilities. To defend its own coast as well as the island of Taiwan, China can rely on various type of missiles that it has already in vast quantities, including hypersonic missiles as well as strategic ICBMs with thermonuclear warheads. Aircraft carriers are considered "sitting ducks" in modern warfare, the only kind of ships that China really needs to build in large numbers to achieve dominance in the seas around China would be nuclear powered attack submarines.
That depends on chinas geopolitical ambitions. Personally I think great powers are inherently greedy and so China will seek a global hegemony similar to the United States
@@kingdedede1066 Thats a western mindset we Chinese understand from history that hegemony only leads to down fall and self implosion similar to the United States right now
My bunkmate in basic training was from China. His name was Mao 😂 great guy. He had incredible clothing folding skills. We were timed on how fast we could make our bunks, and the sheets had to be folded a certain way at the corners. He had a turtle slow method of folding, but the folds were always perfect, and we never got marked down for them or lateness.
Lol, I was civillian onboard the ship. I would have gotten written up all the time. They even took my boots because I had them next to my bunk. They gave them back to me after mopping.
LOL, those strategic folding skills don't translate into strategic fighting skills (he is prepping to continue slavehood for the USA after the war, nice)
thanks for another great video with so much insights and detailed analysis as usual. Honestly, I am not sure whether the construction of 004 has started or not, but I am more interested if 003 has a sibling CV or its construction started yet.
@@Dordord 1) Bid: An offer to perform a contract or provide goods or services at a specific price. E.g. A company submits a bid in response to an RFP for a new software system. 2) Tender: A formal process for soliciting bids from potential suppliers. E.g. A government agency issues a tender for the construction of a new bridge. 3) Procurement: The process of acquiring goods or services for an organization. E.g. A company procures new office chairs for its employees. 4) Request for proposals (RFP): A document that a company sends out to potential suppliers to solicit proposals for a specific project or service. E.g. A company issues an RFP for the development of a new marketing campaign. 5) Request for quotes (RFQ): A document that a company sends out to potential suppliers to solicit quotes for a specific product or service. E.g. A company issues an RFQ for the purchase of 100 new laptops. 6) International competitive bidding (ICB): A type of tender that is open to international suppliers. E.g. A government agency issues an ICB for the construction of a new airport. Some of the US defense terminologies. China, of course, could very well be different.
China has the potential to grab a massive win for it's military if it can 1) Pull off the dual carrier construction and 2) Have both be nuclear, this is how America pulled ahead a long time ago, it went for the stars in terms of accomplishing unheard of military developments, don't be content with developing what's been done already or you'll be doomed to always playing catch up with your rivals. At this point in time, it would be infinitely better for China to build only nuclear powered carriers than to build 1 or 2 more conventional carriers, contrary to popular belief there is very little chance of a conflict breaking out between America and China so time is on China's side there is no need to rush.
China has a tendency to actually finish what they set out to do, I mean they wanted a space station and guess what the ISS is no longer the sole station in the sky. China wants a carrier, they bought an incomplete vessel and finished it working so much better than the Kuznetsov. China want to build their own from scratch? They build 2 and plans for more.
Undersea is the only safe place from continuous satellite tracking and long range hypersonic missiles. When push comes to shove, major surface ships will not survive 1 night … not even the ones moored in home port. There are ways to shift many missions from surface ships to a combination of subs, smaller surface ships, land based air cover, and helicopters/quad copters. And even make a limited size single runway launch/retrieval ship that can temporarily duck underwater when antiship missiles are detected.
@seraphx26 There is very little chance that China will invade on a whim. That being said who knows what the chance of the U.S. trying to force their hand is. That's the tricky thing about these sorts of matters. To disregard the possibility of war breaking out entirely, and to plan all of your military buildup and modernization efforts around that assumption wouldn't be a wise move as the consequences could be dire if there's any sudden/unexpected change in circumstances.
@@douginorlando6260 People have been saying this for years now and yet not a single modern carrier has been downed by a hypersonic missile to date, it may be the case that someday the carrier will be obsolete but we have not reached that day yet.
I'd be willing to bet CVN-19 will be a second Type 003, and CVN-20 will be the first Type 004, and that both shipyards are gearing up to produce a new CVN in hopes of getting the CVN-20 contract, with the other getting the CVN-19 contract
@@e734127803CVN-19 expected to finish construction and hit water by 2027 and CVN-20 Nuclear Type 004 by 2029, then the final 2 by 2034. By then the US should counter by decommissioning 4 more older Nimitz Class ships and replace them with 4 Brand new Ford Class.
I agree with you. CV19 should be the sister of CV18 with a little bit of improvement in some areas. And CVN-20 will be the first Type 004 nuclear air carrier.
China is building crap carriers which will never see battle. They have no clue what they are doing. PLA Navy probably watching youtube videos trying to learn how to do carrier ops LMAO 🤣😂🤣😂
Yes correct Note Type #s is different vs carrier #s Type is very confusing Type 001 is carrier 001 #16 & 002 #17 Type 002 is carrier 003 #18 Fujian & 004 #19 carrier Type 3 is actually what tgis video say type 4 There's huge mixed up between type #s vs carrier #s Both uses 001, 002, 003
I doubt it and I certainly hope that isn't the case as it would be an enormous waste of time and resources, the Type 003 made sense as a conventional carrier, for training purposes, but if you continue building designs that are functionally worse than your main rival, you are making an error of great magnitude and setting yourself up for failure in possible future conflict.
@@seraphx26yes they should build nuclear immediately and normalize building nuclear carriers from 004 onward. Three conventional carriers which now have taken 20 years are enough.
Not quite, remember that the 003 I the type, hence why it’s called Type 003, like Type 055 and 054B. They might produce another Type 003 or maybe move straight onto the Type 004, but whatever the case the 004 will be a completely different class of ship.
The J-35 being almost exactly the same as the F-35C is downright unreal. More variants, like the upcoming land based variant(F-35A style) will make China the real opponent of 5th generation fighter aircraft.
If the PLAN is happy with the nuclear Type 004 carrier then both locations will be gearing up to produce 6 Type 004s. All they need now is to train a couple of hundred carrier pilots.
Agree on Dalian Naval Shipyard being the primary, though I’m going to go out on a limb and predict the simultaneous construction of CVN-20 and 21, with 20 being the lead ship in design and timeframe. Within two years of CVN-20, 21 will commission, unless the PRC need to make drastic changes from lessons learned via CVN-20, which is unlikely, IMO.
In my view, and I have just intuition to back this up, the Central Military Commission's long-term Project 048 to build up China's carrier force has been affected by the rise in Sino-US tensions. Project 048 has been well entrenched way before 2018, which calls on the PLAN to have firstly 2 medium carriers (Liaoning and Shandong), 2 large CVs, and followed by CVNs. However, these ships were intended to project naval presence and develop blue water status - and are not expected to be effective in a naval conflict with the US. Contrary to what some people may think, higher tension with the US actually reduces the PLAN's desire for more carriers, and they would much prefer these resources to be used in things like submarines and surface combatants - ships that will be more immediately useful and more relevant for a great-power clash than carriers. So, I believe the PLAN has dialed back its carrier ambitions at least a little bit, owing to increased tension with US in the past few years. However, very recently relations with US seem to have thawed a bit, and if that thawing is sustained carriers may regain their appeal to the PLAN.
@@EurasiaNavalcarriers are big white elphant if they dont have a full compliment of surface and submarine escort on that front china seems to be able to sastify that requirement but they still lack a carrier with the right airwing components as it stands now china lack aerial fixed wing awacs having to make due with helo based aew that is obsolete compare to the us fixed wing E-2D Advanced Hawkeye that alone will give the other navy like the us navy a massive information and targeting advantage in any naval confrontation not directly next to china own shoreline 2nd china lacks catobar operation this might be less of an issue with type 003 and upward comes into active service but until then they will have to make due with stobar operation meaning there j15 as it stand will never be able to compete against american superhornet simply due to lack of fuel/munition load out not to mention china carrier lack fixed wing aerial warfare planes like f18 growler or logistc plane like c2 greyhound and they also lack naval 5th gen stealth fighter like f35c or hybrid helo like v22 osprey having to make due with only basic rotor aviation such a disparity means type 001/002 is only usefull as either a training ship for future more capable carrier or limited warfare like the war in taiwan.
@@EurasiaNaval True, but most citizens in a country perceive a country's ability to attack/defend itself through the size/type/amount of air craft carriers. Yes, carriers are sitting ducks, but carriers have ALOT OF POLITCAL POWER. Citizens of a country might shy away from starting trouble with a country that has more carriers than they do, even though they are not effective in war.
@@EurasiaNaval Totally agree with your analysis. In a potential conflict with US in South China Sea, or anywhere near the Chinese mainland, PLAN carriers would only have play a minor, supporting role. PLAN would need enough principal surface combatants with sufficient anti-air and anti-ship capabilities. They would also need a modern submarine force. Therefore, spending huge resources on these extremely expensive carrier development projects, does not make any sense.
We saw similar process with the J-20; iterative improvement on power plant. My guess is PLAN indigenous CV/CVN are going to go through their own iterative development process until the brass are satisfied with specs.
I think these tenders. Or auctions as you have addressed them here, are made public knowing that they will be monitored by potential adversaries and certainly can come useful in misguiding them. Ie: order a large number of parts that are used only specific kind of weapon platforms, this may make analysts think that that platform is being built in large number. Such as you mentioned about elevators here.
You'd have to wonder with the tensions with the united states, if PLAN will end up going with one CVN as it's naval flagship, but then dial it back and build out CV's that are less expensive and probably just as suitable for it's force projection. Most likely better to put the cost savings into subs and type 55's, and type 76's.
I believe it will be better for 004 to be conventional. Not because of potential conflict with the US, in which carriers will be useless and it's highly unlikely to happen. But rather it's too big a jump, without the real world experience with a CATOBAR carrier to iron out all the bugs. The lessons would be much more expensive and it's radio active. A nucleaer carrier not only takes much more money to run but also bear much bigger consequences if things go wrong, and they will. The next 5 years or so will see pretty tough time in economy all arond the world, one more reason to go conventional. Finally, China has never had any experince in carrier nuclear reactors, either. Only USA has it. But given China is currently experimenting SMR(small modular reactor) and thorium reactors on land, both look like much better alternatives to conventional pressurized water reactor, it makes much more sense to wait for 5 more years. If either SMR or thorium is the future, it will be way better to skip the pressurized water reactor, just like skipping the steam catapult and go directly EM.
China has experience on Russian nuclear subs for decades now. They are very well experienced in naval reactor tech. They are now modifying the conventional nuclear tech, which can very well be very first of it's kind and clear threat to the USA and Russia too.
@@ajaykumarsingh702all 5 UNSC permanent members have nuclear subs. All of them have carriers. Even India so. Only US has real nuclear carriers. The French tried what you said and results are pathetic. Carriers have very different specifications than subs. The least, tonnage is one order different.
Great video as usual my friend- I am surprised if the carrier gets 4 elevators - adds more mechanical points of failure on an already loaded ship I believe 3 elevators is more than sufficient for the needs of the PLAN , unless the amount of carriers will be less than 5 in total. I personally disagree with the idea of foregoing CV-19 - it needs to be built to be a rotational partner with the Fujian when either one goes in for maintenance and it will also help build and improve upon the CV-18 design and any potential mistakes that might have occurred during the building of the fujian for example the jet blast deflectors being quite close to the elevator nearest the tower I do agree that the 4th generation CV-20 will be nuclear and I also believe that the modular components of the ship are being actively developed and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s built along side CV-19 by 2030 Awesome video as usual
my parents work for CSSC and they told me CV-19 will be nuclear, and every CVs after that are all nuclear. CV-19 will be lanuched in late 2025, Dalian. CV-20, 21, 22 will be built simultaneously in Dalian and Shanghai after 2025, they may be launched in same year, no later than 2028. China will have 7 completed CVs, 2-3 being building, by 2028. Btw, CV-20 is 120,000 tonnage when fully loaded, bigger than Ford Class.
1) I think building large aircaft carrier is not the way forward as a hypersonic missile can easily sink it.. Smaller aircraft carrier is the way to move forward. Harder to strike and drones instead of fighter jet to be used. 2) China should familiarise with Fujian first before building thr 4th aircaft carrier. Who knows in the midst of operation, the need to streamline the design to ve more effective. If Fujian tested OK... The oil boilers can be replaced with Nuclear powered boilers.. 3) Type 55 is the way to move forward as this destroyer is feared as it can defend itself and attack at the same time. This giant destroyer can sink aircaft carrier due to the hypersonic missiles they carried 😮😮😮
Newport News shipbuilding and drydock company thanks you for using their facilities for this publicity video. So far what anyone knows of the 004 carrier is it has a keel. Stay tuned for further developments. Maybe this one won't be a training ship.
From looking into Soviet doctrine and their construction program of the Kiev and - never completed and then scrapped - Ulyanovsk class - arguably the reference for the Chinese Type 004 - one may be surprised that their main mission was not Mahanian 'decisive battles' against other surface assets like WW II Carrier Groups, but *Anti-Submarine Warfare* ('Okean 1970'). One could look whether armament and observable tactical training of the PLAN confirms such a focus or contradicts it. It's a matter of interpretation, but the more aviation units, capable of 'ASW' - in contrast to air superiority missons - the 004 carries, the more likely the respective doctrine.
The 003 is basically an upgrade version of Kuznetsov, that's why you can see the pretty conservative design of the 003 in many aspects, such as 3 catapults and 2 elevators on the right side. After the completion of the feasibility test of 003, PLAN would immediately abandon the Kuznetsov configuration and move to the larger and heavier carrier configuration. It is now almost certain that the configuration of 004 will be very close to the Nimitz class, which is not surprising given the US Navy has extensive combat experience.
@@zakiboug6685 You are right, so I say it is some kind of deeply improved version of Kuznetsov, PLAN obviously figured out the whole Kuznetsov design, they built the pilot ship (Shandong) first, and then began to make a lot of changes to the original design and incorporate their own new technology. The result is the 003.
As usual good video, but I am interested in what will happen with earlier Chinese carriers. China now finds that the real power at the sea is CVN, or as it has been a popular acronym for some time CATOBAR nuclear carrier. Fujian has his role in training and could operate as a fully functional attack CV but Liaoning and Shandong look to me as a costly surplus for the PLA Navy. Actually, for me is an enigma why the Chinese invested in such types of ships.
Rome was not built in a day The Chinese are pragmatic and they achieve their goals step by step in a steady way. When they decided to develop an aircraft carrier, they had no idea how to design, build, operate an aircraft carrier. So first they sought to buy a decommissioned aircraft carrier from all over the world, and finally China could only buy a semi-finished Soviet aircraft carrier with a commercial company and complete it. Then, by completing the subsequent construction and operation of this carrier, the Chinese gained experience, so they built a similar carrier on their own and made improvements that they thought would be more useful. Then, after learning how to design and operate a carrier, they added more new technologies to design and build more advanced carriers. The fourth step is to build a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. This step is under way.
I think the Chinese system’s just being risk aversive, it actually makes sense now to retire Liaoning in five years or so but I’m in doubt if the navy will ever do so, considering PLA still retain obsolete units from 70s.
Now is there a reason they couldn't run a submarine sized reactor or two in a type 003 to provide the massive amounts of electricity needed for systems such as EM catapults and other newer systems that may be added as time goes by?
The Chinese navy can fully deploy to deal with the US navy, but the US will not send all of its navies to Asia because the US has too much influence. So the Chinese navy only needs to reach one-third or half of the quantity of the US navy.
The issue is not building the ships....but manning the ships. The Chinese may have the capabilities to construct 3-4 carriers simultaneosly. But do they have the skilled work force to man them when construction finished? We are talking about skilled aviators, oilers, machinists, ground crews etc. You just cannot induct green recruits to man those carriers supervised by some 2-3 years carriers experienced officers. You need more experience officers and crews. China realise this issue, that's why they build their carrier force gradually, designating type 001 and 002 carriers as "training carriers". The number of carrier qualified aviators that they have may also becoming an issue.
1960 USS Enterprise, 1100+ feet, first nuclear power carrier (super carrier). Type 003 doesn’t have enough power to get catapult working yet. Shall we see what happens with China’s alleged nuclear powered carrier?
Recently Det Norske Veritas approved the design of a 24k container vessel powered by a Molten Salt Nuclear Reactor no doubt intended to sail between China and Rotterdam through the Arctic Ocean. This would of course demand electrical propulsion as used by ice breakers. It is unreasonable to suppose the same reactor would not be used in the first Chinese nuclear propelled aircraft carriers(s) and indeed development costs are acceptable because of the military use case.
Thirteen years ago ,the Secretary of Defense ,Robert Gates come to china ,he said china won't have fifth generation fighter before 2025. and we see what happened that day .
At this point in time I don't know if building more carriers is a good idea since anti ship missiles is already a thing. China already has them herself, so if anything this will only be done to fight vs non peer adversaries and for prestige. What's more interesting and also more crucial for China to develop if it truly wants a global projection ability is to have overseas bases. Even nuclear carriers and subs n ships need to redock regularly to refuel for jets, resupply food and water and other supplies. So I predict in the next 2-3 decades, if China is to meet it's goal of "equaling us military power"(which would obviously include power projection globally), it would also have to sign agreement and build new bases. Even if they are not bases like usa, China will need to sign agreements which allow for it to use other countries ports or bases to resupply when it needs to, like during a conflict or war. This will be interesting since China will need to do it in a way that doesn't seem imperialistic and is also not considered "interference in others domestic politics" etc. That will be difficult to do, and im not sure China even wants to do that. If usa did not exist, it would probably not do it. Even with usa existing, it will probably not do it either and prefer usa to keep wasting its money and making endless enemies. But it would be nice to have more options in case conflict with usa does happen and they are crazy enough to turn it into global conflict by doing stuff like blocking strategic naval choke points. However I don't see usa doing that, or having the ability since that means declaring war vs China and attacking China directly, and also making an enemy of the whole world, including sacrificing Taiwan, sk, Japan etc who are completely reliant on sea trade for energy, food and other critical supplies that keep them rich and prosperous currently. China would be hurt by ending global trade by sea, but it would not be existential unlike for Taiwan, Japan, sk etc. USA itself is more isolated geographically and would hurt just as much if not more since China is connected to Eurasian landmass while usa is not. Usa would have to be spread out and basically cover the whole world and 2 coasts of its continent which is basically impossible if we're talking about subs, drones, including underwater ones, and even an attack using tens of thousands of floating weather balloons. Lol. China is not Japan or island, and it is also nuclear capable to wipe USA mainland out. So I doubt usa will even defend Taiwan in an isolated war with no chance for escalation, let alone start a full total war vs China on purpose when China has not even attacked them or their interests directly. Ie just over Taiwan or scs territorial disputes which for both, usa is not a claimant to. If anything those forward bases are a vulnerability and china couldnt hope to ask for a better battlefield/theater if war does happen between China and USA. So best bet is to let usa stay, even if China can kick them out. Let them believe and act like china is contained until it is too late and China corrects their incorrect thinking/arrogance etc. I also believe that usa containing Japan still today is a good thing. I prefer that over an independent remilitarized Japan. Same with sk and Taiwan. It is USA who is crippling them and keeping them weak, otherwise they will get nukes in no time at all probably. Better to have just one ignorant enemy in decline than many intelligent ones(like Japan, sk, Taiwan etc).
I mean Japan is not necessarily China's adversary, the relationship between China and Japan was good in the late 80s and 90s, when the US was crippling Japan economy, Japanese politicians even went to China and asked China to ally with Japan against the US. It is the US kept inserting conflicts in the region from kept east Asia's economy from integrating. It is the US kept sanctioning and poking NK, pushing them to extremism preventing the two Korea from resolving the matter peacefully, so that SK can be their puppet forever. I don't think a remilitarized Japan is a threat to China even if they have nukes. Japan's disadvantages are too big to qualify as China's adversary, small aging population, shrinking industrial capacity, limited technology advantage, limited natural resources and cultivate land.
It's a projection of power and also for extending the range of hypersonic middle. A J20 carrying df17 can strike ships 2000 miles away from the carrier with hypersonic middle.
And then China gets nuked because the difference between conventional and nuke tipped ballistic missiles is only discovered upon detonation. The INSTANT a ballistic track is spotted, its Defcon 3, then one when its course is determined.@@henli-rw5dw
@@henli-rw5dw a J20 can strike ships 2000miles away? With what missile? Afaik j-20 cannot carry df-17. You are probably referring to Y-20 or Chinese H6K bomber. Not J-20. Also, even the Y-20 doesn't seem to be capable of carrying or launching such a weapon, unlike the H6-K which has external hard points which is specifically to carry and launch such drones and missiles. J-20 is the stealth jet, and it cannot fit Df-17 inside its internal weapons bays, which would just make it non strealty. In which case they should just use the hk6 bomber which can carry more and has longer range. Even if it was possible for a fighter jet, if would defeat frb whole purpose of J-20 and if being a stealth fighter. Might as well just use it in J-16 instead, or even any old transport jet which has long ferry range since usa has nothing that can hit a jet or ship from 2000 miles away. J-20 can carry PL-15 which is the longest range so far and is like only 2-300km range. If they can do 2000 MILES, they would have. That would be ridiculous/impossible upgrade in range. Even for h6k bomber, 2500km range missile would be pushing it and it would only be able to carry one underneath the plane.
China should spend its resources on, developing anti submarine technology and anti carrier weapons. China also should focus on developing unmanned submarines. Carriers are incredibly vulnerable in the age of hypersonic missiles. They are literally floating coffins. I don't agree with building carriers.
Accelerating carrier programs would fit China's Belt and Road Initiatives. Taiwan may not be the only motive for carriers. With EMALS and stealth jets, carrier gap will be closed faster with the US.
Carrier combat doctrine is so yesterday tech, the Chinese buids carriers for a totally different reason my dude, no one does DPS with carriers anymore this day and age son
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4 elevators means the type 003 won't have a convenience store on the floght deck like the type 003 Last reports I got said that the electromagnetic catapults on the type 003 don't work well at all Also the Chinese navy has never built a nuclear reactor of the type and size suitable for an aircraft carrier. Will all of the electronic systems use Huawei chips exclusively Orwell they have to rely on chips made by factories in other countries using technology under license from US companies?
most likely China would build 2 super carriers same time. For sure one will be nuclear power. With BRICS expansion to continue China will have to increase military support. Now China has the experience building many types of marine ships and structures for certain China can build 2 same time at this critical juncture.
The per capita tonnage of China is not as high as that of the small country Japan, and the Chinese navy still has a long way to go to avoid being invaded by Japan.
China should help her friends by offering them some diesel electric + nuclear carriers. For Russia 2, for Turkey 1, for Pakistan 2, for Iran 2, for Qatar 1. And all problems of the world would be solved in days. US and the West will not mess in this part of the Asia anymore. People and the countries will feel much safer from the West's dominion.
The construction of a nuclear carrier might not even start this decade. I believe that mainly because of the cost. We see that the Chinese economy is not doing well at all in the last 2 years. They commissioned just 1 destroyer this year. They are working on several frigates and 1-2 Type 039C submarines that are yet to be commissioned. The 003 can't even start sea trials and with that speed the CVN-80 would probably be launched for sea trials by the time Fujian is launched for sea trials. Ofc the CVN-80 would come online somewhere in 2025. But the point is that it is very possible that America could have 3 EMAILS carriers and China only 1. Each of these American carriers is more capable than Type 003 as well.
The dimension of the drydock mentioned in the video should be a guide to the *maximum* dimension of the 004 in terms of width and length. Tonnage we can't say at this stage.
@@EurasiaNaval Thank you. Other videos have suggested a length of over 1,000 feet (below 1,100 feet) and between 110,000 to 120,000 tons. A super monster ship. Three or four elevators, four EMALS.
Conventional carriers may help China with a Taiwan invasion or to prevent an invasion of the Chinese mainland. However, the biggest threat to China is the severence of Chinese sea lanes. China is dependent on imports for their energy and food (or industrial agricultural imports like fertilizers). The conventional carriers will not allow China to secure their rather long an dvulnerable sea lanes. China lacks the logistical infrastructure to support conventional ships beyong the Malacca Strait. While a nuclear carrier (or three) would not guarantee sea lanes security, I believe an abscence of nuclear carriers guarantees no security.
I believe I need to correct your choice of words. China is not invading Taiwan; it is working towards the reunification of China. Taiwan has never been a separate country.
The most effective solution to the Malacca dilemma is not nuclear carriers, it is the diversification of raw material imports from sea trade to Russian suppliers. We are already seeing that in Chinese trade data over time, so I believe the Chinese state agrees with that view as well.
@@王先生-w3e Doesn't matter what you call it. It's effectively a separate country, and the vast majority of Taiwan's population would hate to come under CCP rule.
@@greatBLTIs it? Barely half its population wants independence. Fewer than 20 countries recognise its sovereignty. It doesn't even have embassies overseas lol
@@EurasiaNaval I don't think Indonesia, and Malaysia, even Singapore and Thailand will allow the US to blockade the Malacca Strait against China. That will destroy the economies of SE Asian nations. If the US forced a blockade anyway, that action will guarantee that SE Asia will turn against the US. No one wants to be used as a pawn against their biggest trading partner.
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I wonder why PLA Navy would prefer to build a carrier that resembles in design to the Nimitz class more than to the Gerald R. Ford class but using more advanced technology, because the island is located where the island on the Nimitz class is instead of where the island on the Gerald R. Ford class is, which would make much more sense imo
Well the PLA shouldn't be in a rush to build these ships, unless they don't care for lethal accidents to occur. Worse yet if they make the mistake of tofu building practices, especially in mass production of said new ships. That is something the PLA has to avoid as they try to continue keeping up with the US navy, more and more.
老实说我觉得cn不需要大量的核动力航母。战时需要快速制造的常规动力航母进行快速部署，因此重油加上先进的电力系统没什么不好的。假设cn和老美互相把对面的航母送下海底后，接下来比什么呢？还是得比制造常规动力航母的速度。希望纽波特纽斯船厂到时候还有这个技术水平。 To be honest, I don't think CN needs a large number of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. Wartime requires rapid manufacturing of conventionally powered aircraft carriers for rapid deployment, so there is nothing wrong with heavy fuel coupled with advanced power systems. Assume that after cn and the United States send each other's aircraft carrier to the bottom of the sea, what will they compete next? It still has to be faster than building a conventionally powered aircraft carrier. I hope Newport News Shipyard will still have this level of technology by then.
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According to the mainstream view in China, the main purpose of the current aircraft carrier is to move forward to the waters east of Taiwan Island during the Taiwan Unification War to carry out area denial missions against the United States and Japan and target attacks on the east side of the Yushan Mountains.
But no matter which one, the aircraft carrier will not become the main force. The main force will be thousands of missiles including hypersonic missiles and more cheaper rockets. In addition, a large number of drones ranging from giant to micro will be used in reconnaissance and strike.
而且台湾在花莲有机场，大陆那边打击不到，航母群过去正好可以打击
Aircraft carrier is nice addition with so many fighter jet and drones but bcs it's close to china it's the reason china doesn't build nuclear aircraft carrier yet
Yup, clearly China will lean towards missile strikes with subs, destroyers, and frigates. However, the aircraft carrier strike groups will be needed for other kinds of missions that require aircraft attacks. Especially after the enemies air defenses are taken out.
don't forget the type 075 and 076 amphibious assault ships
Carriers are designed to operate far from the homeland, while yours are very close by due to your conventional energy sources and and predictable logistics. Predictability is never a good thing in actual conflict and you will easily find out in the eventual actual conflict.
can you immagine the how the US would react if it see china building 2 nuclear carriers at the same time? They would lose their minds.
Why would they? China has ZERO experience operating them and don't even have aircraft to use with them. China hasn't seen battle since the early 1970's and it's just about guaranteed if anything jumped off those carriers would be absolutely useless.
I’m sure they have the ship building capacities in its yards to build three at once …the dock they use in the construction of the Ford class carrier is large enough to build two carriers easily
They have already lost their minds.
@@sparkiegaz3613Chinese have shipyard that can building 6 carries at the same if they want two of them can build they build 20 at the same time......!!!!!!!!!!!
@@lengthao8424"Trust me bro"
Instead of Auction, Tender is the more suitable term here. "Request for Tender", to be precise.
Request for Tender =招标
Bid =投标
Auction =拍卖
Full of information and no politics. Very good Channel. Thank you
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After Varyag refurbrished as Liaoning, the China haters were like "It's just a Cold War relic!"
After China built Shandong based on Liaoning, the China haters were like "It's just a copy shit!"
After China built Fujian which it is CATOBAR by EMALS and not ski-jump, the China haters were like "It's not nuclear-powered!"
After China built 004 which it is nuclear-powered, the China haters were like "The American had already made a lot of those! It's an outdated technology!"
PLAN "So what do you want? Do you want us to make a *nuclear-fusion* power aircraft carrier? With 6th Gen fighter jets and AI attack drones?"
They’re best teacher
PLAN "So what do you want? Do you want us to make a nuclear-fusion power aircraft carrier? With 6th Gen fighter jets and AI attack drones?"
And their retord will be " You stole them by going into the future and steal them."
nice comment! It's called PRIDE on the other side (America).
PLAN: Done.
no, we want spaceship.
Note that China does not actually need to build nuclear powered aircraft carriers for its growing fleet, at least for defensive purposes. Aircraft carriers have the strategic role of "projecting power", in other words, to support air operations during offensives far from the mainland. There is strictly no such situation around the world where China would need to bring its air force capabilities. To defend its own coast as well as the island of Taiwan, China can rely on various type of missiles that it has already in vast quantities, including hypersonic missiles as well as strategic ICBMs with thermonuclear warheads.
Aircraft carriers are considered "sitting ducks" in modern warfare, the only kind of ships that China really needs to build in large numbers to achieve dominance in the seas around China would be nuclear powered attack submarines.
That depends on chinas geopolitical ambitions. Personally I think great powers are inherently greedy and so China will seek a global hegemony similar to the United States
@@kingdedede1066 Thats a western mindset we Chinese understand from history that hegemony only leads to down fall and self implosion similar to the United States right now
Aircraft carriers are "sitting ducks" only to capable defense forces, of which, there are only about 8 countries.
In case if strait of malacca blocked by some countries, they need to send some of their aircraft carrier to open the blockades
@@bOZONee No, they only need to send attack submarines, aircraft carrier vs aircraft carrier battles will never happen again in modern warfare.
My bunkmate in basic training was from China. His name was Mao 😂 great guy. He had incredible clothing folding skills. We were timed on how fast we could make our bunks, and the sheets had to be folded a certain way at the corners. He had a turtle slow method of folding, but the folds were always perfect, and we never got marked down for them or lateness.
I enjoyed reading that one
Ah decommissioned Chinese military personnel in foreign forces? Interesting.
Lol, I was civillian onboard the ship. I would have gotten written up all the time. They even took my boots because I had them next to my bunk. They gave them back to me after mopping.
LOL, those strategic folding skills don't translate into strategic fighting skills (he is prepping to continue slavehood for the USA after the war, nice)
Being a perfectionist is a curse at times. Bet he’s good at gift wrapping.
thanks for another great video with so much insights and detailed analysis as usual. Honestly, I am not sure whether the construction of 004 has started or not, but I am more interested if 003 has a sibling CV or its construction started yet.
004 and 005 is building together now. But I don't whether they are nuclear
Felt the term, Tender, is a bit closer to what you're talking about than "Auction"
Auction is for the seller, tender is for the buyer if I'm not wrong
English is not my mother tongue
@@Dordord 1) Bid: An offer to perform a contract or provide goods or services at a specific price. E.g. A company submits a bid in response to an RFP for a new software system.
2) Tender: A formal process for soliciting bids from potential suppliers. E.g. A government agency issues a tender for the construction of a new bridge.
3) Procurement: The process of acquiring goods or services for an organization. E.g. A company procures new office chairs for its employees.
4) Request for proposals (RFP): A document that a company sends out to potential suppliers to solicit proposals for a specific project or service. E.g. A company issues an RFP for the development of a new marketing campaign.
5) Request for quotes (RFQ): A document that a company sends out to potential suppliers to solicit quotes for a specific product or service. E.g. A company issues an RFQ for the purchase of 100 new laptops.
6) International competitive bidding (ICB): A type of tender that is open to international suppliers. E.g. A government agency issues an ICB for the construction of a new airport.
Some of the US defense terminologies. China, of course, could very well be different.
In the US we call it bidding.
Americans have tenders too. It's for companies not individuals.
@@davidmoss2576yes bidding exactly
China has the potential to grab a massive win for it's military if it can 1) Pull off the dual carrier construction and 2) Have both be nuclear, this is how America pulled ahead a long time ago, it went for the stars in terms of accomplishing unheard of military developments, don't be content with developing what's been done already or you'll be doomed to always playing catch up with your rivals.
At this point in time, it would be infinitely better for China to build only nuclear powered carriers than to build 1 or 2 more conventional carriers, contrary to popular belief there is very little chance of a conflict breaking out between America and China so time is on China's side there is no need to rush.
China has a tendency to actually finish what they set out to do, I mean they wanted a space station and guess what the ISS is no longer the sole station in the sky. China wants a carrier, they bought an incomplete vessel and finished it working so much better than the Kuznetsov. China want to build their own from scratch? They build 2 and plans for more.
氢弹构型来说，中国的于敏构型是和其他4国不一样的。另外所有远程兵力投送，都是为了自己的国家利益。自卫的话的，中国在几十年前早做到了。
Undersea is the only safe place from continuous satellite tracking and long range hypersonic missiles. When push comes to shove, major surface ships will not survive 1 night … not even the ones moored in home port. There are ways to shift many missions from surface ships to a combination of subs, smaller surface ships, land based air cover, and helicopters/quad copters. And even make a limited size single runway launch/retrieval ship that can temporarily duck underwater when antiship missiles are detected.
@seraphx26
There is very little chance that China will invade on a whim.
That being said who knows what the chance of the U.S. trying to force their hand is.
That's the tricky thing about these sorts of matters.
To disregard the possibility of war breaking out entirely, and to plan all of your military buildup and modernization efforts around that assumption wouldn't be a wise move as the consequences could be dire if there's any sudden/unexpected change in circumstances.
@@douginorlando6260 People have been saying this for years now and yet not a single modern carrier has been downed by a hypersonic missile to date, it may be the case that someday the carrier will be obsolete but we have not reached that day yet.
I'd be willing to bet CVN-19 will be a second Type 003, and CVN-20 will be the first Type 004, and that both shipyards are gearing up to produce a new CVN in hopes of getting the CVN-20 contract, with the other getting the CVN-19 contract
When are they expected to complete?
19 tends to be a better number in Chinese numerology than 20, which sounds like 24.
@@e734127803CVN-19 expected to finish construction and hit water by 2027 and CVN-20 Nuclear Type 004 by 2029, then the final 2 by 2034.
By then the US should counter by decommissioning 4 more older Nimitz Class ships and replace them with 4 Brand new Ford Class.
I agree with you. CV19 should be the sister of CV18 with a little bit of improvement in some areas. And CVN-20 will be the first Type 004 nuclear air carrier.
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Ship Building in USA is vastly different from ship building in China. Chinese does it faster and better.
China is building crap carriers which will never see battle. They have no clue what they are doing. PLA Navy probably watching youtube videos trying to learn how to do carrier ops LMAO 🤣😂🤣😂
Lol….good one
Hahahaaha... the wumaos out in force today
Better? Hell no
@@nomercynodragonforyou9688 spending more for a lesser quality doesn't equal better!
004 is likely conventionally powered with some upgrades. 005/006 are likely nuclear powered.
Yes correct
Note Type #s is different vs carrier #s
Type is very confusing
Type 001 is carrier 001 #16 & 002 #17
Type 002 is carrier 003 #18 Fujian & 004 #19 carrier
Type 3 is actually what tgis video say type 4
There's huge mixed up between type #s vs carrier #s
Both uses 001, 002, 003
I doubt it and I certainly hope that isn't the case as it would be an enormous waste of time and resources, the Type 003 made sense as a conventional carrier, for training purposes, but if you continue building designs that are functionally worse than your main rival, you are making an error of great magnitude and setting yourself up for failure in possible future conflict.
@@seraphx26yes they should build nuclear immediately and normalize building nuclear carriers from 004 onward. Three conventional carriers which now have taken 20 years are enough.
Not quite, remember that the 003 I the type, hence why it’s called Type 003, like Type 055 and 054B.
They might produce another Type 003 or maybe move straight onto the Type 004, but whatever the case the 004 will be a completely different class of ship.
@@james_l4337 nah chinese use type001(1st ship),type002(2nd ship), type003(3rd, & 4th ship) type004(5th ship). theres no confusion
The J-35 being almost exactly the same as the F-35C is downright unreal. More variants, like the upcoming land based variant(F-35A style) will make China the real opponent of 5th generation fighter aircraft.
但不要忘了，J35是一架纯粹的舰载机，综合性能孰强孰弱尚无定论
单发和双发重型战斗力没有对比性
Great Sleuthing! I'm convinced!
If the PLAN is happy with the nuclear Type 004 carrier then both locations will be gearing up to produce 6 Type 004s.
All they need now is to train a couple of hundred carrier pilots.
Agree on Dalian Naval Shipyard being the primary, though I’m going to go out on a limb and predict the simultaneous construction of CVN-20 and 21, with 20 being the lead ship in design and timeframe. Within two years of CVN-20, 21 will commission, unless the PRC need to make drastic changes from lessons learned via CVN-20, which is unlikely, IMO.
In my view, and I have just intuition to back this up, the Central Military Commission's long-term Project 048 to build up China's carrier force has been affected by the rise in Sino-US tensions. Project 048 has been well entrenched way before 2018, which calls on the PLAN to have firstly 2 medium carriers (Liaoning and Shandong), 2 large CVs, and followed by CVNs. However, these ships were intended to project naval presence and develop blue water status - and are not expected to be effective in a naval conflict with the US. Contrary to what some people may think, higher tension with the US actually reduces the PLAN's desire for more carriers, and they would much prefer these resources to be used in things like submarines and surface combatants - ships that will be more immediately useful and more relevant for a great-power clash than carriers. So, I believe the PLAN has dialed back its carrier ambitions at least a little bit, owing to increased tension with US in the past few years. However, very recently relations with US seem to have thawed a bit, and if that thawing is sustained carriers may regain their appeal to the PLAN.
@@EurasiaNavalcarriers are big white elphant if they dont have a full compliment of surface and submarine escort on that front china seems to be able to sastify that requirement but they still lack a carrier with the right airwing components as it stands now china lack aerial fixed wing awacs having to make due with helo based aew that is obsolete compare to the us fixed wing E-2D Advanced Hawkeye that alone will give the other navy like the us navy a massive information and targeting advantage in any naval confrontation not directly next to china own shoreline 2nd china lacks catobar operation this might be less of an issue with type 003 and upward comes into active service but until then they will have to make due with stobar operation meaning there j15 as it stand will never be able to compete against american superhornet simply due to lack of fuel/munition load out not to mention china carrier lack fixed wing aerial warfare planes like f18 growler or logistc plane like c2 greyhound and they also lack naval 5th gen stealth fighter like f35c or hybrid helo like v22 osprey having to make due with only basic rotor aviation such a disparity means type 001/002 is only usefull as either a training ship for future more capable carrier or limited warfare like the war in taiwan.
@@EurasiaNaval True, but most citizens in a country perceive a country's ability to attack/defend itself through the size/type/amount of air craft carriers.
Yes, carriers are sitting ducks, but carriers have ALOT OF POLITCAL POWER. Citizens of a country might shy away from starting trouble with a country that has more carriers than they do, even though they are not effective in war.
@@EurasiaNaval Totally agree with your analysis. In a potential conflict with US in South China Sea, or anywhere near the Chinese mainland, PLAN carriers would only have play a minor, supporting role. PLAN would need enough principal surface combatants with sufficient anti-air and anti-ship capabilities. They would also need a modern submarine force. Therefore, spending huge resources on these extremely expensive carrier development projects, does not make any sense.
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We saw similar process with the J-20; iterative improvement on power plant. My guess is PLAN indigenous CV/CVN are going to go through their own iterative development process until the brass are satisfied with specs.
Good information. Good channel. Thx
looking forward for the predictions of the China's Type 012 aircraft carrier information.
I wonder how many CIA and Navy Intelligence folks are watching this video??
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None, CIA is not very competent at gathering intels. Their specialty is toppling regimes.
Awesome, very good progress.
I think these tenders. Or auctions as you have addressed them here, are made public knowing that they will be monitored by potential adversaries and certainly can come useful in misguiding them. Ie: order a large number of parts that are used only specific kind of weapon platforms, this may make analysts think that that platform is being built in large number. Such as you mentioned about elevators here.
You'd have to wonder with the tensions with the united states, if PLAN will end up going with one CVN as it's naval flagship, but then dial it back and build out CV's that are less expensive and probably just as suitable for it's force projection. Most likely better to put the cost savings into subs and type 55's, and type 76's.
I believe it will be better for 004 to be conventional. Not because of potential conflict with the US, in which carriers will be useless and it's highly unlikely to happen. But rather it's too big a jump, without the real world experience with a CATOBAR carrier to iron out all the bugs. The lessons would be much more expensive and it's radio active. A nucleaer carrier not only takes much more money to run but also bear much bigger consequences if things go wrong, and they will. The next 5 years or so will see pretty tough time in economy all arond the world, one more reason to go conventional. Finally, China has never had any experince in carrier nuclear reactors, either. Only USA has it. But given China is currently experimenting SMR(small modular reactor) and thorium reactors on land, both look like much better alternatives to conventional pressurized water reactor, it makes much more sense to wait for 5 more years. If either SMR or thorium is the future, it will be way better to skip the pressurized water reactor, just like skipping the steam catapult and go directly EM.
I think the French has a nuclear powered carrier as well.
@@slammerw3 That one is a joke if you examine closely.
China has experience on Russian nuclear subs for decades now.
They are very well experienced in naval reactor tech.
They are now modifying the conventional nuclear tech, which can very well be very first of it's kind and clear threat to the USA and Russia too.
@@ajaykumarsingh702all 5 UNSC permanent members have nuclear subs. All of them have carriers. Even India so. Only US has real nuclear carriers. The French tried what you said and results are pathetic. Carriers have very different specifications than subs. The least, tonnage is one order different.
True type 005 and 006 will be nuclear ones
Great video as usual my friend- I am surprised if the carrier gets 4 elevators - adds more mechanical points of failure on an already loaded ship
I believe 3 elevators is more than sufficient for the needs of the PLAN , unless the amount of carriers will be less than 5 in total.
I personally disagree with the idea of foregoing CV-19 - it needs to be built to be a rotational partner with the Fujian when either one goes in for maintenance and it will also help build and improve upon the CV-18 design and any potential mistakes that might have occurred during the building of the fujian for example the jet blast deflectors being quite close to the elevator nearest the tower
I do agree that the 4th generation CV-20 will be nuclear and I also believe that the modular components of the ship are being actively developed and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s built along side CV-19 by 2030
Awesome video as usual
my parents work for CSSC and they told me CV-19 will be nuclear, and every CVs after that are all nuclear. CV-19 will be lanuched in late 2025, Dalian. CV-20, 21, 22 will be built simultaneously in Dalian and Shanghai after 2025, they may be launched in same year, no later than 2028. China will have 7 completed CVs, 2-3 being building, by 2028. Btw, CV-20 is 120,000 tonnage when fully loaded, bigger than Ford Class.
1) I think building large aircaft carrier is not the way forward as a hypersonic missile can easily sink it.. Smaller aircraft carrier is the way to move forward. Harder to strike and drones instead of fighter jet to be used.
2) China should familiarise with Fujian first before building thr 4th aircaft carrier. Who knows in the midst of operation, the need to streamline the design to ve more effective. If Fujian tested OK... The oil boilers can be replaced with Nuclear powered boilers..
3) Type 55 is the way to move forward as this destroyer is feared as it can defend itself and attack at the same time. This giant destroyer can sink aircaft carrier due to the hypersonic missiles they carried 😮😮😮
Great info about the auctions.
Thank you.
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Another great video from this site.
I’m reminded of my favorite line from the movie Contact. “Why build one, when you can have two for twice the price?”
yes,,,slave labor
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Newport News shipbuilding and drydock company thanks you for using their facilities for this publicity video. So far what anyone knows of the 004 carrier is it has a keel. Stay tuned for further developments. Maybe this one won't be a training ship.
From looking into Soviet doctrine and their construction program of the Kiev and - never completed and then scrapped - Ulyanovsk class - arguably the reference for the Chinese Type 004 - one may be surprised that their main mission was not Mahanian 'decisive battles' against other surface assets like WW II Carrier Groups, but *Anti-Submarine Warfare* ('Okean 1970').
One could look whether armament and observable tactical training of the PLAN confirms such a focus or contradicts it.
It's a matter of interpretation, but the more aviation units, capable of 'ASW' - in contrast to air superiority missons - the 004 carries, the more likely the respective doctrine.
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The 003 is basically an upgrade version of Kuznetsov, that's why you can see the pretty conservative design of the 003 in many aspects, such as 3 catapults and 2 elevators on the right side. After the completion of the feasibility test of 003, PLAN would immediately abandon the Kuznetsov configuration and move to the larger and heavier carrier configuration. It is now almost certain that the configuration of 004 will be very close to the Nimitz class, which is not surprising given the US Navy has extensive combat experience.
I think the kuz and 003 have no similarities except for maybe the arresting wire or other trivial things
@@zakiboug6685 The overall layout still comes from Kuznetsov
@@russelfang7434 the exterior changes like the ramp impact the layout of the interior so if they have similarities it less than 20%
@@zakiboug6685 You are right, so I say it is some kind of deeply improved version of Kuznetsov, PLAN obviously figured out the whole Kuznetsov design, they built the pilot ship (Shandong) first, and then began to make a lot of changes to the original design and incorporate their own new technology. The result is the 003.
So how is life in the British-Raj?
Because there is no H-India.
Only the British-Raj.
Great VERY INFORMATIVE
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现在国内都在说航母过时了，要多建比055更大，载弹量更多的导弹舰。
对的，无人机母舰+更大的导弹驱逐舰+大黑鱼+护卫舰+补给舰+大型登陆舰才是未来
都要建，都有能力建，各有各的用处
It’s the beginning of something enormous Chinese carrier fleets
these fleets will rest on the bottom of the sea
As usual good video, but I am interested in what will happen with earlier Chinese carriers. China now finds that the real power at the sea is CVN, or as it has been a popular acronym for some time CATOBAR nuclear carrier. Fujian has his role in training and could operate as a fully functional attack CV but Liaoning and Shandong look to me as a costly surplus for the PLA Navy. Actually, for me is an enigma why the Chinese invested in such types of ships.
No need fujian is emails type aircraft carrier more advance than catobar aircraft carrier
Rome was not built in a day The Chinese are pragmatic and they achieve their goals step by step in a steady way. When they decided to develop an aircraft carrier, they had no idea how to design, build, operate an aircraft carrier.
So first they sought to buy a decommissioned aircraft carrier from all over the world, and finally China could only buy a semi-finished Soviet aircraft carrier with a commercial company and complete it.
Then, by completing the subsequent construction and operation of this carrier, the Chinese gained experience, so they built a similar carrier on their own and made improvements that they thought would be more useful.
Then, after learning how to design and operate a carrier, they added more new technologies to design and build more advanced carriers.
The fourth step is to build a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier. This step is under way.
I think the Chinese system’s just being risk aversive, it actually makes sense now to retire Liaoning in five years or so but I’m in doubt if the navy will ever do so, considering PLA still retain obsolete units from 70s.
I am pretty sure the PLAN first two carriers will be used for its costal fleets as they are both still functional.
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Now is there a reason they couldn't run a submarine sized reactor or two in a type 003 to provide the massive amounts of electricity needed for systems such as EM catapults and other newer systems that may be added as time goes by?
Sub reactors are drastically different than that of CVNs, I think the French CV had done exactly what you said here but didn’t fare well
would need 6 reactors in one ship
The Enterprise had 8. And I wasn't suggesting powering the whole ship, just items like launchers, scanning equipment. @williamblomster2387
@@300guy yes,,correct
The Chinese navy can fully deploy to deal with the US navy, but the US will not send all of its navies to Asia because the US has too much influence. So the Chinese navy only needs to reach one-third or half of the quantity of the US navy.
The issue is not building the ships....but manning the ships.
The Chinese may have the capabilities to construct 3-4 carriers simultaneosly. But do they have the skilled work force to man them when construction finished? We are talking about skilled aviators, oilers, machinists, ground crews etc. You just cannot induct green recruits to man those carriers supervised by some 2-3 years carriers experienced officers. You need more experience officers and crews.
China realise this issue, that's why they build their carrier force gradually, designating type 001 and 002 carriers as "training carriers".
The number of carrier qualified aviators that they have may also becoming an issue.
In the near future, the PLAN's CSGs will expand into the South Pacific, Indian Ocean, and Atlantic Ocean.
China casually building a lot of naval ship while U.S is struggling to evenv finish their FFG project is sad.
By auction, do you mean tender? They look like tendering documents.
Procurement auction is a correct terminology as well, though tender is the more commonly understood wording.
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1960 USS Enterprise, 1100+ feet, first nuclear power carrier (super carrier).
Type 003 doesn’t have enough power to get catapult working yet.
Shall we see what happens with China’s alleged nuclear powered carrier?
They need a large number of HALE sensor drones and a large number of UCAV drones
Recently Det Norske Veritas approved the design of a 24k container vessel powered by a Molten Salt Nuclear Reactor no doubt intended to sail between China and Rotterdam through the Arctic Ocean. This would of course demand electrical propulsion as used by ice breakers. It is unreasonable to suppose the same reactor would not be used in the first Chinese nuclear propelled aircraft carriers(s) and indeed development costs are acceptable because of the military use case.
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CCP = War
Once the PLAN has 2 operational nuclear catobar carriers maybe the Type 001 and 001A will be converted to drone carriers
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Thirteen years ago ,the Secretary of Defense ,Robert Gates come to china ,he said china won't have fifth generation fighter before 2025. and we see what happened that day .
「Competition」 keeps the world moving!
1 cv, 1 cvn. If both cvn, then u’ll know that Chinese marine nuclear powerplants r next level.
中国建造航母主要有两方面的原因，
1:战时守住和保障能源以及物资的海上运输路线。
2:起到一个战略威慑作用，虽然不去侵略别的国家，但是也要拥有发生战争时反击对方本土的能力，这跟核武器是一个道理，打一个比喻，如果对方手里有枪，你只拿着一把刀，那么对方就能完全压制你，因为你没有反击能力，但是如果你手里也有枪的话，对方就不敢贸然对你发起攻击。
当美国为主的北约认为你有大规模杀伤性武器的时候你最好有不然的话美国以及北约会对你进行打击
CHN does not seem to be doing this in a hurry, maybe it is an indication they see no immediate threat of war?
At this point in time I don't know if building more carriers is a good idea since anti ship missiles is already a thing. China already has them herself, so if anything this will only be done to fight vs non peer adversaries and for prestige.
What's more interesting and also more crucial for China to develop if it truly wants a global projection ability is to have overseas bases. Even nuclear carriers and subs n ships need to redock regularly to refuel for jets, resupply food and water and other supplies.
So I predict in the next 2-3 decades, if China is to meet it's goal of "equaling us military power"(which would obviously include power projection globally), it would also have to sign agreement and build new bases. Even if they are not bases like usa, China will need to sign agreements which allow for it to use other countries ports or bases to resupply when it needs to, like during a conflict or war.
This will be interesting since China will need to do it in a way that doesn't seem imperialistic and is also not considered "interference in others domestic politics" etc. That will be difficult to do, and im not sure China even wants to do that. If usa did not exist, it would probably not do it. Even with usa existing, it will probably not do it either and prefer usa to keep wasting its money and making endless enemies. But it would be nice to have more options in case conflict with usa does happen and they are crazy enough to turn it into global conflict by doing stuff like blocking strategic naval choke points.
However I don't see usa doing that, or having the ability since that means declaring war vs China and attacking China directly, and also making an enemy of the whole world, including sacrificing Taiwan, sk, Japan etc who are completely reliant on sea trade for energy, food and other critical supplies that keep them rich and prosperous currently. China would be hurt by ending global trade by sea, but it would not be existential unlike for Taiwan, Japan, sk etc. USA itself is more isolated geographically and would hurt just as much if not more since China is connected to Eurasian landmass while usa is not. Usa would have to be spread out and basically cover the whole world and 2 coasts of its continent which is basically impossible if we're talking about subs, drones, including underwater ones, and even an attack using tens of thousands of floating weather balloons. Lol.
China is not Japan or island, and it is also nuclear capable to wipe USA mainland out. So I doubt usa will even defend Taiwan in an isolated war with no chance for escalation, let alone start a full total war vs China on purpose when China has not even attacked them or their interests directly. Ie just over Taiwan or scs territorial disputes which for both, usa is not a claimant to.
If anything those forward bases are a vulnerability and china couldnt hope to ask for a better battlefield/theater if war does happen between China and USA. So best bet is to let usa stay, even if China can kick them out. Let them believe and act like china is contained until it is too late and China corrects their incorrect thinking/arrogance etc.
I also believe that usa containing Japan still today is a good thing. I prefer that over an independent remilitarized Japan. Same with sk and Taiwan. It is USA who is crippling them and keeping them weak, otherwise they will get nukes in no time at all probably. Better to have just one ignorant enemy in decline than many intelligent ones(like Japan, sk, Taiwan etc).
I mean Japan is not necessarily China's adversary, the relationship between China and Japan was good in the late 80s and 90s, when the US was crippling Japan economy, Japanese politicians even went to China and asked China to ally with Japan against the US. It is the US kept inserting conflicts in the region from kept east Asia's economy from integrating. It is the US kept sanctioning and poking NK, pushing them to extremism preventing the two Korea from resolving the matter peacefully, so that SK can be their puppet forever.
I don't think a remilitarized Japan is a threat to China even if they have nukes. Japan's disadvantages are too big to qualify as China's adversary, small aging population, shrinking industrial capacity, limited technology advantage, limited natural resources and cultivate land.
Boy this reads like a red chinese propaganda script
It's a projection of power and also for extending the range of hypersonic middle. A J20 carrying df17 can strike ships 2000 miles away from the carrier with hypersonic middle.
And then China gets nuked because the difference between conventional and nuke tipped ballistic missiles is only discovered upon detonation. The INSTANT a ballistic track is spotted, its Defcon 3, then one when its course is determined.@@henli-rw5dw
@@henli-rw5dw a J20 can strike ships 2000miles away? With what missile? Afaik j-20 cannot carry df-17. You are probably referring to Y-20 or Chinese H6K bomber. Not J-20. Also, even the Y-20 doesn't seem to be capable of carrying or launching such a weapon, unlike the H6-K which has external hard points which is specifically to carry and launch such drones and missiles.
J-20 is the stealth jet, and it cannot fit Df-17 inside its internal weapons bays, which would just make it non strealty. In which case they should just use the hk6 bomber which can carry more and has longer range.
Even if it was possible for a fighter jet, if would defeat frb whole purpose of J-20 and if being a stealth fighter. Might as well just use it in J-16 instead, or even any old transport jet which has long ferry range since usa has nothing that can hit a jet or ship from 2000 miles away.
J-20 can carry PL-15 which is the longest range so far and is like only 2-300km range. If they can do 2000 MILES, they would have. That would be ridiculous/impossible upgrade in range. Even for h6k bomber, 2500km range missile would be pushing it and it would only be able to carry one underneath the plane.
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China should spend its resources on, developing anti submarine technology and anti carrier weapons.
China also should focus on developing unmanned submarines.
Carriers are incredibly vulnerable in the age of hypersonic missiles.
They are literally floating coffins.
I don't agree with building carriers.
nice analysis
What we know so far: The Type 0.004 isn’t on fire… yet. Longhushen still smouldering?
Realy I like this powerful aircraft
Accelerating carrier programs would fit China's Belt and Road Initiatives. Taiwan may not be the only motive for carriers. With EMALS and stealth jets, carrier gap will be closed faster with the US.
Carrier combat doctrine is so yesterday tech, the Chinese buids carriers for a totally different reason my dude, no one does DPS with carriers anymore this day and age son
If my Chinese made electric kettle can only last for 9 months, this country has got a looong way to go with such sophisticated machinery,
if you don’t act so cheap and willing pay double price, Chinese are going to bring you a lifetime product you ask for 😂😂cheap a s, you have too much ask and too little to pay for it.
Because you are a poor bastard who can only afford the cheapest junk
4 elevators means the type 003 won't have a convenience store on the floght deck like the type 003
Last reports I got said that the electromagnetic catapults on the type 003 don't work well at all Also the Chinese navy has never built a nuclear reactor of the type and size suitable for an aircraft carrier.
Will all of the electronic systems use Huawei chips exclusively Orwell they have to rely on chips made by factories in other countries using technology under license from US companies?
you hit this one "out of the park"!! So China-Taiwan conflict in 2027 or 28!
If the Chinese are preparing for war(s), then they need to have more redundancy and more skilled workers for advanced nuclear aircraft carriers.
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most likely China would build 2 super carriers same time. For sure one will be nuclear power. With BRICS expansion to continue China will have to increase military support. Now China has the experience building many types of marine ships and structures for certain China can build 2 same time at this critical juncture.
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The People's Liberation Army is a force for peace, mainly our trade and energy channels
Thanks for the excellent report. It would be perfect, if you could fix your pronunciation of "three". (It is not "sree").
This aircraft carrier...to prove that america should not mess with china in everything...
China has a huge amount of different ship types. They need to settle on a design and build more than one ship of the type.
The per capita tonnage of China is not as high as that of the small country Japan, and the Chinese navy still has a long way to go to avoid being invaded by Japan.
Auction website? I think you meant military contract bidding website.
China should help her friends by offering them some diesel electric + nuclear carriers. For Russia 2, for Turkey 1, for Pakistan 2, for Iran 2, for Qatar 1. And all problems of the world would be solved in days. US and the West will not mess in this part of the Asia anymore. People and the countries will feel much safer from the West's dominion.
The construction of a nuclear carrier might not even start this decade. I believe that mainly because of the cost. We see that the Chinese economy is not doing well at all in the last 2 years. They commissioned just 1 destroyer this year. They are working on several frigates and 1-2 Type 039C submarines that are yet to be commissioned. The 003 can't even start sea trials and with that speed the CVN-80 would probably be launched for sea trials by the time Fujian is launched for sea trials. Ofc the CVN-80 would come online somewhere in 2025. But the point is that it is very possible that America could have 3 EMAILS carriers and China only 1. Each of these American carriers is more capable than Type 003 as well.
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Chinese economy is doing a lot better than the US economy & does not have over $30 trillion debt. !
China must protect its own citizens from the threat of the enemy….
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Any idea on the length of the 004 carrier and its tonnage? Tq
Probably similar or same to type 003 class, that was ultimately the purpose of that ship, to act as a design iteration for 004
@@kingdedede1066 tqvm.
The dimension of the drydock mentioned in the video should be a guide to the *maximum* dimension of the 004 in terms of width and length. Tonnage we can't say at this stage.
@@EurasiaNaval Thank you. Other videos have suggested a length of over 1,000 feet (below 1,100 feet) and between 110,000 to 120,000 tons. A super monster ship. Three or four elevators, four EMALS.
Conventional carriers may help China with a Taiwan invasion or to prevent an invasion of the Chinese mainland. However, the biggest threat to China is the severence of Chinese sea lanes. China is dependent on imports for their energy and food (or industrial agricultural imports like fertilizers). The conventional carriers will not allow China to secure their rather long an dvulnerable sea lanes. China lacks the logistical infrastructure to support conventional ships beyong the Malacca Strait. While a nuclear carrier (or three) would not guarantee sea lanes security, I believe an abscence of nuclear carriers guarantees no security.
I believe I need to correct your choice of words. China is not invading Taiwan; it is working towards the reunification of China. Taiwan has never been a separate country.
The most effective solution to the Malacca dilemma is not nuclear carriers, it is the diversification of raw material imports from sea trade to Russian suppliers. We are already seeing that in Chinese trade data over time, so I believe the Chinese state agrees with that view as well.
@@王先生-w3e Doesn't matter what you call it. It's effectively a separate country, and the vast majority of Taiwan's population would hate to come under CCP rule.
@@greatBLTIs it? Barely half its population wants independence. Fewer than 20 countries recognise its sovereignty. It doesn't even have embassies overseas lol
@@EurasiaNaval I don't think Indonesia, and Malaysia, even Singapore and Thailand will allow the US to blockade the Malacca Strait against China. That will destroy the economies of SE Asian nations. If the US forced a blockade anyway, that action will guarantee that SE Asia will turn against the US. No one wants to be used as a pawn against their biggest trading partner.
004 for sure will be a sister ship of the 003. It's a tremendous waste of money and resources to build only one ship from an expensive new design.
I am proud of China as third world country can produce nuclear mother carriers 🇨🇳👍❤️
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I think they'll build two simultaneously.
I wonder why PLA Navy would prefer to build a carrier that resembles in design to the Nimitz class more than to the Gerald R. Ford class but using more advanced technology, because the island is located where the island on the Nimitz class is instead of where the island on the Gerald R. Ford class is, which would make much more sense imo
Because new US weapons don't work and is designed to breakdown so they can milk it for $
Well the PLA shouldn't be in a rush to build these ships, unless they don't care for lethal accidents to occur. Worse yet if they make the mistake of tofu building practices, especially in mass production of said new ships. That is something the PLA has to avoid as they try to continue keeping up with the US navy, more and more.
China needs to build 6 CVNs to guard the western Indo-Pacific Rim from the intrusive US naval Pacific fleets.
老实说我觉得cn不需要大量的核动力航母。战时需要快速制造的常规动力航母进行快速部署，因此重油加上先进的电力系统没什么不好的。假设cn和老美互相把对面的航母送下海底后，接下来比什么呢？还是得比制造常规动力航母的速度。希望纽波特纽斯船厂到时候还有这个技术水平。
To be honest, I don't think CN needs a large number of nuclear-powered aircraft carriers. Wartime requires rapid manufacturing of conventionally powered aircraft carriers for rapid deployment, so there is nothing wrong with heavy fuel coupled with advanced power systems. Assume that after cn and the United States send each other's aircraft carrier to the bottom of the sea, what will they compete next? It still has to be faster than building a conventionally powered aircraft carrier. I hope Newport News Shipyard will still have this level of technology by then.
确实不需要大量的核动力航母，根据最新国内军事报的透露消息，零零五和零零六的预研目标就是超级航母，各种电磁炮无人机群粒子束武器电浆炮都会大批量汇集一身，届时，005+006两艘航母的战斗力就足以匹敌美国所有航母战斗力总和
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The combat capability of the People's Liberation Army (PLA) amounts to just a third of what it appears on the surface. Despite China’s continuous modernization of its military arsenal, including aircraft carriers, stealth fighters, and destroyers, inherent issues such as formalism, internal corruption, and a lack of actual combat experience within the PLA significantly hinder the enhancement of its combat capabilities. Military analysts have pointed out that the actual military strength of the PLA may only be a third of its apparent strength.
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