The Story of Lilian Voss [Lore]
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 24 авг 2024
- The world of the living may have turned its back on her, but she's no damned Scourge...It's the story of Lilian Voss!
================================================
Sources:
Short Story: Edge of Night us.battle.net/w...
Comic: World of Warcraft - Ashbringer
Game: World of Warcraft (Cataclysm)
How did Lilian die? wow.joystiq.com...
================================================
Want More Lore?!
The Story of Uther the Lightbringer: • The Story of Uther the...
The Story of the Headless Horseman: • The Story of the Headl...
The Story of Ragnaros: • The Story of Ragnaros ...
Go Nuts, Go Random!: • The Story of Eva Sarkh...
================================================
The music in this video is provided royalty free. (Creative Commons License)
Songs:The Path of the Goblin King
Music by: incompetech.com/
© 2001-2008 Kevin MacLeod
World of Warcraft® and Blizzard Entertainment®
================================================
Facebook: / nobbel.denoble
Twitter: @Nobbel87
Twitch: / nobbel87
![The Story of War Crimes [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XTWgfWgXXqI/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Story of War Crimes [Lore]](/img/tr.png)
![The Story of Falstad Wildhammer [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/OjWNDipc7Ys/mqdefault.jpg)
![The Story of Lord Vincent Godfrey "Sylvanas Slayer" [Lore]](/img/1.gif)
"A traitor from within opened the gates for Arthas". Bullshit, collecting those 3 keys was a pain in the ass! xD
It was Dar'Khan Drathir
Arthas: "father! Is... it over?" King Terenas: "No my son, Raid restarts next Tuesday"
Arthas: "Blah......"
Gamer4Life1 no king dies forever my son like you my son
Gamer4Life1 i said my son twice tehee
Gamer4Life1 i laughed at this way to much lol
Jokes on you, it resets on Wednesday for me! c:
XD to true
Back in the Lich King days we came up with a good starting idea for the Forsaken.
You start as a human, a generic human similar to your created undead character.
You and a few refugees are escaping from the Scourge on a wagon, or more.
The refugees talk about Prince Arthas returning and killing his father.
Some talk about the Agamand family holding back the Scourge but you eventually decide to go to Deathknell (or whatever it was called before) because it has walls.
The area is not that dead yet.
Maybe you fend off a small group of undead ambushers before moving past the gates.
Inside there are refugees and militia holding out.
You are welcome as an able "class" and are tasked to help the important people.
The blacksmith send you to the nearby mine to deliver back iron for weapons.
The cook to slay some animals to feed the refugees.
The medic to do some medic stuff.
Then the leader of the militia asks for your aid at the gates.
Undead eventually enter the area and you die as the survivors retreat back to the village.
A deathknight (less important than Arthas) enters on his epic skeleton horse and resurrects the dead around the gate.
Now you are undead with a buff like "Will of the Lich King" (you cannot disobey the Lich King) and all undead are friendly, and the humans hostile.
The deathknight was tasked to clear this area and doesn't have a huge army (that would be boring) and he tasks you with crippling the refugees in the village for the final assault.
That includes:
Putting spider eggs or bringing a spider queen to the mine.
Infecting the food supplies,
Raising the dead inside their infirmary to aid you from inside. (with a quest item)
During these quests you also have to kill the people you helped before. The blacksmith, the cook and the medic. This gives you reason to hate the Lich King.
Then the other undead attack from outside and you from the inside.
You now kill some militia and the leader retreats to the graveyard with a few men.
You follow and eventually face him in a crypt.
Without any hope of escaping he collapses the crypt on you. You need to remain here for a time and you can't die again just yet so being under rubble is not lorebreaking.
Here a short cutscene tells you how Sylvanas freed the undead and created the Forsaken.
And then you are dug out of the rubbles by the present day Forsaken.
Your will is your own once again.
This would be around lvl 5, and the rest of the old zone would have remained the same.
You meet some of the men you have killed before as undead quest givers. The blacksmith, the cook and the medic. They do not blame you.
And somewhere in the region you find traces of the deathknight who did this to you.
Eventually you kill him and find "peace".
And now you can do all the levelling to face the Lich King in the end.
It would have been better than the "bamm you are an undead in a graveyard and there is a guy with a quest" stuff in vanilla. The Catalcysm starting zone however, fits the "new" Azeroth better. Nobody gives a damn about a guy named Arthas anymore.
That idea is awesome. Wish it was implemented :(
This idea is better than wow has now, ALOT BETTER, if people like his comment, mabey nobbel can talk about it.
This idea i so badass, i'd love to play it.
Its nice story.Problem is that every new undead player starts like this, this means that you have to come up with something not so "special" something that could be repeated. You could be part of some human forces on quest inside undead territory, ect ect ect you get captured , resurected...
This was really good! Reminds me a lot of the Worgen starting zone.
Lilian would be a really intetesting hero in Heroes of the Storm
+Jovan That would be freaking awesome!! I never even thought about that! :D
+LV1 That might just be the best idea. period.
+LV1 and she is coming to the nexus ! blizzard just teased footprints which seem to be hers :)
It'd probably make more sense having her as a Zeratul skin
That would be awesome and very unlikely. On the other hand, they included forgettable characters like Brightwing and Li Li....
"Watch your clever mouth, bitch." - Fucking priceless xD
Dunno. I liked it back when Thrall actually showed her respect when they retook the Undercity from those pesky traitors....
KendrixTermina I've never been the one to like Sylvanas. I've disliked her since WC3. All from her attitude to how she promoted that self centered and childish attitude, at times even throwing tantrum fits. I would have to say that when it comes to female NPC's she is the one I like the least. I'd go as far as saying that removing her from the game with no explanation and replacing her with a cactus would be a cause for a real life smile for me. Maybe I'm not doing a good job of explaining exactly how she makes me feel, but I hope it's enough just saying that I can't stand her.
I guess at the time I can understand why Thrall would be nice to her - To him that was himself not all to long ago. An outcast looking to make a place his home. He could relate. Now, I'm not a big fan of Garrosh (Which shows just how successful Blizz were at making players hate him), but no one could have said anything better then what Garrosh said here. And I'm not talking about the "bitch" part.
At first we are forced to play trough a portion of the campaign with this dead mofo as she swears revenge. Then she becomes the leader of others like herself, those that are now free of control, and without any regard for their... um, unlife, she goes on a crusade. That's not a leader. That's a kid determined to get candy by bitching, moaning and crying. How many times did you see her at the front lines in Vanilla or BC? As many as Thrall? As many as Vol'Jin? Doubt it. If you want revenge that's your thing. Walk that road alone, or at least with those that want the same thing as you, don't disguise what YOU want with what is "best for all of us". That's bullshit. We didn't go to kill the Lich King for revenge. We did it because it was the right thing to do. To us it was a job, a duty. And that includes all the races. This sense of duty was beyond the limitations of what Horde and Alliance stood for. It was simply the right thing to do. To this undead sack of shit it was personal.
After sacrificing many of her new kin she finally gets the revenge she craved. Only to become exactly what she killed. No doubt she remembers how it felt to die and not be able to rest in peace as she was intended to, but have your soul trapped in what now is a dead husk. She called it a curse. She said it was a pain no one could get away from. Yet when it's no longer about HER it's now fine to do to others.
And what a great leader she was huh? It's your own thing if you want to succumb to the darkness you've been hunting and become what you hate. But when others have laid down their lives for your cause and you chose to disrespect those sacrifices and still become what all of you were so hateful of, well, that's pretty much spitting in the face of everyone who believed in you.
Twist it, turn it, flip it, but one thing cannot be denied. A bitch is a bitch and Garrosh nailed it when he called Sylvanas one. My only regret is that he didn't chop her head off and put someone in charge that DID have undeads best in mind while not being a power hungry maniac.
But I guess that'd be to much to ask for.
Noctum I'm guessing your Alliance.
Im Fluffeh nuhu.. I'm Alliance but I'm also a little bit Forsaken. I like Sylvanas and I like Lilian Voss. /offended.
But then I'm a big fan of High Tinker Mekkatorque, so mabye I'm just fucked up.
Im Fluffeh 'fraid not, my dear friend. Been maining a Undead Warrior since late 2004. Not that whatever faction you belong to has anything to do with what you think of a character whos origins aren't even based in WoW.
hearing old sylvanas voice made me nostalgic and sad :/
Lillian is without doubt the most interesting NPC in the forsaken starting areas, glad she is also used later in the questing storyline B-)
nan !
What about Darnell? Why is he so huge? Lol
That fight to stop the Darkmaster from practically burning her soul was always an immediate DPS rush to try and save her before she screams out in pain and loses control!
And it is possable and funny to end t befor he splits her and just have her stick the blade in him too ad it doesn't one shot the dark master
My favourite appearances of lillian are the pre-andorhal(area) quests where you find just masses of bodies burning slowly with lillians tell-tale purple burning and your characters reaction is like "Something about this seems oddly familiar..."
So good that she's a prominent part of the story now during Wow 8.1.5 ... I love seemingly inconsequential characters playing a significant role, especially when you can opt to learn more about them by doing certain quest-lines and paying solid attention to quest text.
Hey Nobbel87, I found a tantalizing lore scene. In the Escape From Durnhole dungeon, you can go to southshore. In shouthshore, there is an inn in which Tirion and friends hold a secret meeting about the creation of the Ashbringer. It's definitely worth a visit.
That scene is depicting the part of Tirion's story when he wasn't a Knight of the Silver Hand anymore, and is starting the Scarlet Crusade. He got the picture of Kel'Thuzad in human form from that same dungeon, pretty sure he has covered it in the Tirion Story too.
Also there are the later Monastery bosses Sally Whitemane, Renault Mograine, Interrogator Vishas and Herod the Scarlet Champion in their child forms playing scenes from their future.
Nat Pagle on the docks.
Kel'Thuzad talking with Helcular (old undead quests) about necromancy.
The goblin vendor with a Robot Mark 0 (undead were slaughtered during levelling by Mark 1 guarding the same goblin).
I loved those scenes. It was one of the rare occurances when Blizzard did something fun just for us and not for money as it was far from the actual events.
It is amazing how you manage to enlighten us with these awesome in depth story lines. It makes the game so much more fun and knowing this storyline now, well I have a much bigger appreciation for her role knowing the near full story of her. Makes me want to redo those quests of hers. Thanks a bunch! :)
Quite nice...it was my request too and it's the first time it got fulfilled from the many comments i wrote past the years to different channels. Appreciate. However, I will drop another suggestion, because the warcraft lore is full of them...
Lady Liadrin. You mentioned it while explaining the light in WoW, but still I think she has an amazing story that needs telling. Keep the good work Nobbel and keep surprising me!
It was a delight to see you talk about my favorite character! Thank you!
TY!Most excellent work once again!! I have waited for this one to come around and you did not disappoint.
Oh wow, I've wanted to request you do a video on Lilian for months now, but figured her story wasn't deep enough. This is a huge treat, nice job!
Every night when I'm laying down to go to sleep. I through on your lore videos, and just listen till I'm out. You have a very pleasant voice it's very peaceful keep Making more videos and thanks again
For some reason this is one of the most intriguing characters to me, in fact something I don't normally do is I made it a mission to figure this chick out. Great video as always Nobbel. Keep it up
"To understand the story I must first tell you ALL the things" haha gotta love it every time
Lilian Voss returns in WoD as a Tavern quest giver.for your garrison.
***** um... no... its Lilian....Viviane is the follower... Lilian is the quest giver that gives you the sign post toy
dayum son. 5 years later and it's cool to see things play out
I had no idea Sylvanas killed herself by jumping off ice crown. Where can I read more about this?
Check the description under sources or look for Edge of night, short story on the WoWwebsite.
Thanks Nobbel.
Megashockism read the book the shattering
@megashockism ikr
if sylvanas killed her self by jumping off icecrown why is she still alive?
I was waiting for this one a long time ago!! thanks dude!
Top 3 next lore topics.
1: Hammul runetotem
2: The Loa
3: Varok Saurfang.
Whats 'The Loa'?
Bartek N the loa are the spirits that trolls worship
I really want to know what happened to Koltira after Andorhol, him and Thassarian have always been my favorite death knights and it kills me not knowing what happened to him
Jim Russels i guess you know now right? :D
I used to really like Sylvanas.
A good deal of forsaken NPCs I've met throughout my years of questing have been shown to be rather twisted and evil.
But I never felt that way with Sylvanas, I felt like she had many redeeming qualities.
Then Cataclysm hit, and I hate to say it, but Sylvanas has become pretty villainous.
"What joy is there in this curse? We are still undead, sister- Still monstrosities. What are we if not slaves to this torment."
I used to believe that Sylvanas would not wish this curse upon anyone, but it seems I was wrong.
Lilian reminds me of how the old Sylvanas was.
She only changed because for her, its eternal torment in either scenario. At least in undeath she has more control of her situation. Though I do have a feeling she will end up going well above and beyond merely trying to survive, taking the offensive in her quest to not go to Azeroth Hell. Of course we see what happens when you actively try to fight against the that which is trying to eliminate you in Warcraft. You end up losing focus on your goal and becoming a threat to your allies. It happened to Illidan, it happened to Arthas, hell it even kinda sorta happened to Garrosh... she will just be the next one on the path. Unless they write her to realize the error of her judgment, but thats too much of a hope with Blizzard writers.
I found it better for Sylvanas, as a character, to finally change and embrace her fate and lead her new people instead of just sulking, filled with hateful vengeance, and losing purpose after the events with Arthas. I love what they did with the Forsaken in Cataclysm. Instead of cowering in old abandoned human buildings, the Forsaken finally got their own unique architecture for their buildings and started to finally do something about their fate. And at least Sylvanas gives the option of joining the Forsaken, so it's not like she forces the curse.
Albert Johfur
This is a common misconception. Garrosh ORDERED the Forsaken to attack gilneas. They didn't do it because they wanted to. They were commanded to. If you read the short story on Sylvannas on WoWs website you'll see that. Garrosh is the only reason Gilneas was attacked and subsequently rescued by the alliance.
Albert Johfur
she didnt went and atack for no reason.
reason was order from garrosh. if you remember, we are horde and orders must be obeyed
Great job Nobbel, must say that UD quests at Tirisfal and Silverpine are my favourite! Best wishes
FYI I just got the tavern in my garrison and guess who was there? Lillian Voss. She gave me a quest to kill necromancers in Archindon. So there is confirmation she did not die and she is indeed going after all the necromancers.
Say hi if you are here because Lilian Voss has returned to the WoW story!
so happy u made this, love lillian voss
We need a full version seems to be playing a big part in BFA with her looking after zellings family
Well at the end of SoO Varian mentions retaking gilneas, rebuilding Theramore, and *_dealing with Sylvanas_*. So i imagine we'll see Sylvanas do something evil some day and while the alliance fights their own battle with her, Lilian will wage a more 'personal' war against her and her scourge. i imagine her doing sort of solo spec ops/renegade missions to sabotage the forsaken (perhaps a quest chain or two which allows us to help her), and that she'll be there for the final blow when the Alliance comes knocking on her doorstep, if they don't already find her dead and covered in purple flames by the time they get to her.
If Blizzard doesn't do anything will Llian Voss for a storyline involving Sylvanas or other forsaken/Scarlet Crusade lore, then that is but another missed opportunity. Blizzard could definitely work on missing less of those when it comes to characters being involved in lore that their storylines revolve around.
18:00 I'm convinced that the chain we see there is part of a "Sovereign Rod". A Sovereign Rod is an item used by the Scourge to control more intelligent, powerful, or just strong-willed targets. We make one ourselves and use it to free several Scourge members in Icecrown questing. It's worth noting that part of a Sovereign Rod is made from an Abomination's chain hook, which is exactly what grabs Koltira at the end of the Andorhol quests. It would also explain why he's so terrified - he recognizes it.
Awesome vid! Thanks for putting in a little of Sylvanas story
Well for a new expansion what may happen is that Sylvanas goes out of controll with the resurrections so Bolvar is pissed and returns to the Alliance warning Varian about it.
When Sylvanas took Koltira I was like," Oh somebody's going to die". How dare she do this to a knight of the Ebon Blade!
He.was.weak
SeditiousSpyke How dare you! He was a knight of the Ebon Blade, his weakness left him when he became a death knight.
His weakness certainly left him once our... ministrations... were complete
SeditiousSpyke He was weak because he lost?... to another member of the koteb...
When he fought in andorhal at a crucial juncture both the alliance and horde generals agreed to withdraw their forces out of respect for each other.
Weakness
great vid been waiting for a lilian video since her quest were what made the undead questing areas some of my favorite
Griff said this was his favorite character , so i wanted to know about her.
And she was only character in WoW i knew nothing about.
Lillian does return in WoD she appears in the Frostwolf Tavern.
I'm really enjoying learning all this lore, I plan to play WoW again for WoD and never been into the lore stuff but it is actually quite well done and interesting! thanks alot for your vids!
Oh so she isn't dead! That's good news :3 She was my favorite Undead npc. Too bad we won't see anything but thank you for making this video for us Nobbel!
if lilian is after sylvanas, and sylvanas becomes the new warchief in legion, maybe some there'll be some awesome storylines regarding that, doubt it though
Nobble knew sylvanas was going to be a villian
I have always wondered why he says "You were too dangerous in life" if she was fighting FOR them. I'd love to see Lilian again. She's one of the few characters that I have always loved seeing in the game. And now, I know what happened to her between Undead starting area and the dungeon.
So glad you did this one! Love Lilian's story.
and i'd love this they get more into the nature of voss's powers. she's like some sort of fusion of a rogue, shadow priest, and deathknight all rolled into one i'd think.
fun fact order of the silver hand was named after tyr's silver hand replacement because the insanely huge proto-drake galakrond bit it off. Another lil fun fact is that galakrond is also a server and it happens to be my main server. Another cool thing is that seige of orgrimmar featured galakronds son galakras and its also a mount. ( i couldnt possibly explain how epic it is to have the name protodrke-galakrond [yes i mean protodrke because protodrake was taken] while riding on galakras / reigns of galakras
Love your videos. Lilians story was always one of my favorites. Thanks for doing what you do.
Thanks for the vid Nobbel. I have been thinking about Voss lately, and I agree that it looks like they're setting her up on a collision course with Sylvanus. The Banshee Queen is seriously overstepping her boundaries, to the point where I don't think the Horde can forgive her for what she's done. They should have done something about it during the Battle for Undercity, when they found out what the Apothecaries were up to engineering a new plague. So, it seems obvious to me Sylvanus is going to be a villain, and Voss seems like a really good potential replacement as the undead faction leader, or one of the Banshee Queen's minions in some raid a few expansions from now. I think you hit the nail on the head, but obviously all we can do is wait and see what becomes of her.
:3 can you do a lore of Scholomance? I loved to hear the legend of the School for Necromancy
:D this finally made sense with the Undead starter zone and that zone's questing & dungeons. This made my day. Thanks Dude
Never expected this to be one of my favourite stories
Ohh! I didn't even realize u had done this one! It's awesome, thanks!
Hi Nobbel, I'm a big fan of your job, I really love the lore of warcraft!
I wanted to say tou you, keep the good work. Also in this little story, you could talk a little more about Lilian Voss, as she appears in the comics of warcraft too!!
I recomend you to take a quick eye on them! She appears in the 3rd volume, warcraft: Legends.
Lilian is in my garrison tavern and gave me a quest.
" The Soulcutter"
She wants us to collect a Soulsever Blade and slay Teron'gor from Auchindoun, this special blade which has 'special properties' that will aid her against the undead.
Wonder if she gives us more quests to do as well.
Yeah I saw that as well.
I love how hes doing all of these dungeons that I could barley do with a group by himself...
I really do not hope that we will have to kill Sylvanas in some future expansion, she is one of the most lovely characters in the game, besides, if she dies then the whole race of Forsaken will probably go aswell, then we lose a race to play as, which is unlikely.
Besides, she is not that bad, compared to Garrosh, the original Horde, Burning Legion, Deathwing, Mogu, Old Gods, Arthas, Ragnaros, Malygos, and murlocs, she is a good and righteous person :) This is coming from an ever-loyal member of the Alliance.
Lillian I think will most likely end up in the ranks of Lich King Bolvar, I highly doubt he can keep control over Ner´zul, that helmet got som power in it and do not believe for a second that he will be on our side.
Sorry for long speech Nobbel, but could not stop myself xD
An awesome video as always, keep up the awesome work :D
Still, this was a cool storyline for them to implement, to have her return several times, the whole Daddy's expectations plot intermingled with the suddenly-a-zombie one, and I find it kind of sweet how the player character gets to tell her that she's not ugly.
yay you did a Lillian Voss episode! :D I only ever caught part of her story when I was playing through the undead storyline and of course doing dungeons. I thought she was a really cool character but I didn't know much about her, like I didn't know that she was still alive, though I should have figured and I hope she comes back cause she is such a badass!
7:18 I'll never forget this quest, 10 year old me was so shocked to hear Garrosh say "bitch" that I thought WOW was the most badass game ever
When Lilian is in the starting zone, I always hated her. She seemed to be a HUUUGE idiot in my opinion. Seeing this though, it changed my opinion on her and now I regret what I thought about her. She's badass lol
three years later, and we finally see Lillian return.
Always bugged me when garrosh compared sylvanas to the lich king. I thought he had a point until I thought on it and realized, the difference is she gives the new forsaken a choice. They can serve the horde or just wander around and do whatever, or they can just kill themselves and go back to rest. She gives them a chance to "live" again and the freedom to reject this offer.
If Lillian are going to rescue Kolthira. I belive she will need help from Thassarian and Calia Menethil. It is rumored that Calia was also captured in Undercity.
i really cant take that nothing is being done with sylvanas, there has been so much potential story built up around her in the last expansions,
Cant wait to see how it all will turn out
9:12 Look at the way he climbs those stairs, what a boss
The Windrunner family is one of my favourite storylines. More plox =)
I think that the expansion after WoD is gonna be about Sylvanas and a new scourge
Long Live the Forsaken!
Christie Golden said that Sylvanas will have an important subplot in War Crimes. Personally, I would love to see Vol'Jin showing who is ruling now the Horde by using his powers as a Shadow Hunter and having the favour of Bwomsandi.
The revanped starter quests do show that they do give the... new recruits a choice and terminate less fortunate ones (as in, those who are horrified or don't return with their mind intact - ppl who don't want to join actually get to just walk away.)
She used to be on this romantic revenge quest where she didn't have to care about what happens afterward, and her developement lately was about becoming mainly a ruler who has to look for the future.
You can see how she went from hating her situation to seeing it as a second chance she might want to offer to others.
She's still fierce, proud and sour? Yeah, she always was. Her sisters are kind of the same.
It is telling that the random Orc overseer Garrosh places there to 'guard' her comes to like her in the end, even though he was all like, 'aberration!' at first.
Well what's up with Koltira since Andorhal? Well Sylvanas was an elf.. in life now she's a undead elf, Koltira was an elf.. now an undead elf. Sylvanas taken him ''under Undercity'' that means some kind of secret stuff that she just told us. What do you think is happening there?
Hint: Koltira - elf , Sylvanas - elf, no other sensible ''undead male elfs'' are out there, get it? No? I'll just stop trying.
I rly wished they saved WOTLK for a later date. I know it was needed after BC for further stuff but its just that Arthas was my favorite villain of all time so i wanted to save him for 1 of the last expansion packs but it was needed to get this far into the game.
I hope Lilian becomes a general for Sylvanas I get that she hates necromancy but I think it would be smart if Sylvanas tells Voss that every person she brings back has a choice. (even if they really don't) If they want to they can go back to being dead that way Voss wouldn't have much of a problem against Sylvanas. Then can she can work for Sylvanas in order to find the rest of the Crusade.
I just can't get enough of Sylvanas's voice. It gives me chills
Sylvanas is a HERO and I hope they don't ruin her in Legion.
"High priest Voss uh what about the death knights we have in northrend are they not undead?" "I don't pay you for thinking Lieutenant."
There is a certain amount of irony about garrosh accusing sylvanas of violating the rules of nature.
Thx Man , i really wanted to see her Lore For a long time!!
Right now she's in the rogue class hall on one of the benches. Which I thought was an interesting touch to the area.
nice you know Anne Stickney, I enjoy reading her articles and listening to her on the Blizzard watch podcast. I learned a lot of WOW's history thanks to her.
Heeey thank you very much Nobbel i asked for this video some time ago so happy to see you did it thank you so much it was excellent :))
Ner'zhul could be a target, but if you have an Inn at your garrison you can get a quest from her to collect some blades from auchindoun.
This video really should be updated in 2023.
Illidan Stormrage please Nobbel!!
You are not prepared for that :D
Wlarius Of course not. ;D
I don't see Voss going after Sylvanas, since she was not forced to stay undead and was given the option of returning to the grave. Since she chose to live(please insert a verb that better fits undeath) and fight those who raise the dead into undeath and into servitude, Sylvanas would have to become the Lich Queen for real. Then again, she is supposedly trying to control Koltira's mind.
"exist"
Thanks for that, makes talking of those not alive yet not quite dead much more easier :P
well, she's going after necro's (raisers of the dead) so i wouldn't think it's too far of a stretch to think she'd see Sylvanas' necromancy in the same light as any other... i mean 1 way or another, Voss simply HATES the undead life... and as we speak, Sylvanas is raising more dead (against their will) 'forcing them back into the world' =necromancy. so in my opinion, it's not a far stretch to think, Voss will soon turn her attention on Sylvanas! "what is the difference now between you and the Lich King?" "isn't it obvious WarChief? I serve the Horde!"
that can be taken as "im the same as the Lich King now in this way; but i'm "using it for the horde". if you remember the old intro for the forsaken, it said something about bidding their time, and not really very loyal to the horde beyond their own purposes...
Kriha123 The Forsaken should be dead in the first place. They were fallen alliance soldiers who died in the field of battle. To have them now fight their living friends and siblings is what makes Sylvanas a bad person. You say that she gives them the choice to chose what they do when they are brought back from the dead? Well, by ressurecting them she basically takes away their liberty. Join the Forsaken for a chance to live or go out on your own to be hunted by the Alliance and the Horde.
Kriha123 By the way I am a huge Sylvanas fanboy..:D
So, Nobbel87, I have a question, and an idea, it could be trite, but it made sense to me. What if Lilian is Sylvanas' daughter, with the human who she had close to her. Here are a couple reasons why I think this could happen, the scarlet crusade was crazy and they were kind of being lead around by a dread lord. Lilian turns up and it's explained she was trained to be the best at everything she did. Magic and weapons, she's a perfect assassin. because her father always treated her as a weapon and not as a child. Say she wasn't the daughter of Voss. that sure would make her easy to use as a weapon. it would also explain why maybe, she was killed, the first time around because she was "too powerful". Maybe it was even Voss' idea to have her put down. Another strange fact is that when we see her in the School for necromancers, her Soul is ripped from her body, the same way that Sylvanas' soul is. She also reclaims her body after she is freed from the control of the necromancer. The necromancer finds it impossible that she can do this, and we basically leave her for dead. I don't know about Blizzard or what they have in mind, but this was a thought I had that would make more sense for the take over of Lilian from Sylvanas. Or perhaps she could even some how be the Daughter of Sylvanas' missing sister. Just some food for thought, and I wanted to share. Thanks for your videos I always come to you when I am looking for a good Lore tale. take care.
So, assuming that Sylvanas becomes crazy and we get a repeat of Ogrimar, Lilian might end up taking over as leader of the Forsaken with the power she has.
Though I really hope that doesn't happen any time soon. We just went through the whole thing with Garrosh, hopefully they have something different. Alliance centered maybe? To show both sides that no body is perfect. Jaina is already on the edge of her pier. That could be interesting.
Our Guild I was kind of hoping for Jaina Lich Queen myself lol
OnlyShadowkin
I don't think she would be a the Lich Queen, but she might emulate it with magical constructs and such.
Our Guild I highly doubt that she would take over as the new leader. Like Nobbel said she hates Necromancy and all that so it's really doubtful that after killing the person who indirectly raised her into undeath Lillian would decide that leading the Forsaken would be something she would want to.
BeingUndeadisAwesome
Sylvanas also hated it at first but then took the responsibility over it. As someone who dislikes necromancy, she would want to make sure that what happened to her wouldn't happen to others, similar to Sylvanas at first.
Hmm that is true, I forgot about that. But to me it just seems very unlikely she would want to take over.
Just one thing: screw being a warrior, Druid, Mage, or warlock...
I wanna be whatever Lillian is.
Lilian should join Sylvanas.
Sylph Natural i have the feeling that Lilian and Sylvanas will have fight to the "death" in the future (death get it?..because... he...
Asyra Cat Nah. They won't fight. They will join forces.
I highly doubt they will join forces. I sure hope so, though.
"Return of the Lich Queen"!! NOW, NOW, NOW THAT's SOMETHING!! :DD
You made hyped for this, Nobbel! Thanks!
Also, could you do a Video about Illidan Stormrage? He's by far my favorite lore character, since he is relatable. Would you, please?
I was kinda disappointed that blizzard never made Lilian Voss a leader of the forsaken especially in Lorderon. I really hope blizzard keeps her story going in dragonflight or any other future expansions to come. She needs to stay a part of the World of Warcraft for years to come. Her storyline is pretty sad but also awesome how she embraces the forsaken, even though at first she didn't want to believe that was her fate 😔. Shes a complete bad ass when she took out all those scarlet soldiers before she killed her own father.
16:37 Your Lilian glitched, she didn't jump behind him and do her "dark shiv" ability, she just sort of stood there in the middle. :P
UPDATE: Lillian Voss willa appear in your garrison once you have created lunarfall inn level 2 she gives you a quest there called "the soulcutter"
I do hope there will be more to her story sometimes soon, imagine if the Scarlets returned and she had to fight them again or they make some sort of questline revolved around Lillian Voss's powers, revealing her true purpose, and to introduce a new class for the forsaken.
I was always curious about Lilian Voss ever since going through the Forsaken starting area - after seeing what she could do, she was like a spriest and rogue wrapped into one :) I'm glad I found this video and where Lilian's story has gone to since.
Sylvanas is my favorite character in the Warcraft series and I will hate blizz for all eternity if they make and expansion which will make the Dark Lady a Garrosh II.I would rather unsubscribe than to pay blizz to kill the one character I actualy like in WoW
Weelah lol welcome to battle for azeroth
omegalul , he predicted bfa
Great Info! Keep up the great work. I watch all your stuff, much appreciated. Ty
was kinda hoping there'd be more to her story... really enjoyed her character!
Lovely name for the undead nobbel, haha and tnx for the stream today btw !
I remember being so surprised as a forsaken player and hearing garrosh say that, and burst out laughing.