It's interesting that McKay has a better understanding of the Ancient laguange than Carter. She really should have spend more time with Jackson. I do like Jackson's quick thinking for the translation letter by letter, it really ties into his archeologist background.
To be honest, Carter hasn't really needed to understand much of the Ancient language. She's always had Daniel or, when he was dead, Jonas Quinn who picked up languages fast.
@Thomas Bernard Daniel didn't get to keep any of his ascended knowledge when he retook human form. He just learned to read Ancient over the years. Studying languages was one of his fields of expertise before the Stargate program.
@@John73John actually it's implied he came back from his first ascension understanding ancient better, and he recovered some memories of events just not how he managed to do certain things.
Pick a random two keys on your keyboard, it's unlikely one of them would be escape or enter. You can type Q and P all you want and it's not going to do much.
and thus Stargate SG-1 captured what it feels like to try and talk a user through a procedure remotely.. !! "Click the..." "The what?" "Circle with.." "Oh.."
Get ready for a long slow painful process, at least they had good news :-) I miss this show....and he does figure it out :) Love the look on their faces when Dr. Lee "emphatic yes" :)
@@Forsparda Do you know how many dialects of Ancient there is? It would be impossible for everyone to know every dialect but most likely by now they would have a tablet that can translate most Ancient languages.
@@ff3player nope i have no idea! but an understanding of their language in basically any regard lets you try and figure out the meaning even if you dont understand it perfectly
Loved this episode, not as at the end of the one where Jack was invisible and you don't know if Jack was made visible and the others invisible. Both were great. A good add on to the star ships for defense 👍
They don't need to stick with yes and no. They can Mark Watney that sucker. Daniel could hold up a chart of the Alphabet of the ancients, point at each letter in turn and then the others could press a key to say stop when he's pointing at the first letter.
@@stonewallperformance that's very probable. In our world, there are multiple occurences of two scientists or more working on the same subject, ending at the same conclusion in a similar time frame. And without interacting once with each other.
Had Daniel been a programmer, he could've used binary search instead of brute forcing down a list. It'd be a bit quicker. You also need to map each letter once, and communicate that tapping the yes button in sequence followed by a no to signal the end marks the index of the current (already translated) letter. So for us, a seven tap would mean g, if it were our alphabet.
Id say thats a smart idea, but iirc, the only one who could read Ancient, or Altean, or Alantian...was Daniel, going letter by letter was prob the only way...well safe way to have Sam and Cam communicate.
@@Bloodarcher43 I may be missing something.. but assuming the keyboard and screen were showing the same set of characters, couldn't they have just typed out what was shown on the screen? XD
Could you imagine this plot happening today? Sam and Cam get zapped to another dimension, can't interact with anything, see holographic display they can't read. Sam pulls out phone and opens SGC Google Translate, solves issue in 5 minutes.
@@karinsch3347 but he also knew what the symbols on the keys mean, since he can speak Ancient, so he knew pressing them randomly wouldn’t have any effect, making them the perfect keys to use to communicate with Sam and Mitch.
Absolutely. Even if Sam and Cam didn't know it, all they have to do is hold up a chart for them to read. And communication would only need to be one way
I feel like to shorten how long it would take he should have just got two whiteboards, one with the ancient alphabet with the corresponding English alphabet and they could have translated it themselves, and then chances are at least one person on a military base knows Morse code, if not Mitchell himself
How would that have helped them translate the Ancient language?! Not to mention, unless they took the initiative to learn it on their own, Carter and Mitchell wouldn't know Morse code, as the Navy is the only branch that still teaches Morse code.
@@DrakeOola Mark Watney used an ascii chart, it's fairly trivial for Daniel to just write down the Ancient alphabet into it's own codepage and used for numbers above 127(0x7F). Morse code would not have been much harder to extend/overload.
Don't click any buttons. Carter and Mitchell can read stuff from this side. You can write the alphabet down and have them look at it. Of course they still have to press the 'yes' button but you can piece together the message in not a terribly long time by Daniel pointing at each letter in turn and having them press the button when Daniel is on the right letter.
@@TimoRutanen that is what he was doing at the end,. you see him moving his finger along the letters, but since they dont use normal letters, their system is more like kanji in Asian languages, there are alot more different symbols, as each one is a more complex idea, hence this will take a while.
@@TimoRutanen Even better, you can put the alphabet on the grid then use the two chosen buttons for x and y coordinates. Far faster than glossing your hand over the entire alphabet each time and going slow enough so they can actually stop you on the right letter... You'd also want to give them some kind of delete key in case they mess up, could end up screwing the entire thing up like how in some languages adding a single letter/word changes the entire meaning which means they'd have to start over with no way to actually tell them to start over. You could just make pushing both buttons at the same time count as delete, would save a lot of hassle.
all he had to do was say "Ok this button. One for yes, two for no." Then when doing the alphabet thing, use the same button and say "push it when im pointing to the right one." Wouldnt take as long as in the episode AND alleviates the risk of button 2 blowing up the base or something.
That little high five was amazing. I love these little moments that shows the bond between characters.
Same
It's interesting that McKay has a better understanding of the Ancient laguange than Carter. She really should have spend more time with Jackson.
I do like Jackson's quick thinking for the translation letter by letter, it really ties into his archeologist background.
I mean, McKay does live on Atlantis and is surrounded by Ancient writing 24/7
Ironically spending time with Daniel is probably why she doesn't know Ancient, because he's there to translate.
To be honest, Carter hasn't really needed to understand much of the Ancient language. She's always had Daniel or, when he was dead, Jonas Quinn who picked up languages fast.
@Thomas Bernard Daniel didn't get to keep any of his ascended knowledge when he retook human form. He just learned to read Ancient over the years. Studying languages was one of his fields of expertise before the Stargate program.
@@John73John actually it's implied he came back from his first ascension understanding ancient better, and he recovered some memories of events just not how he managed to do certain things.
I love Mitchell cheerleading in the background.
"We don't know what pressing buttons randomly will do."
-- after picking 2 buttons and asking them to press them a bunch of times
The should have stuck to the one button and used Morse code.
it can be assumed that Daniel picked two innocuous functions on the keyboard, as he knows what the symbols mean.
Mitchell picked the first button and nothing blew up, so maybe he just looked for the scroll lock key as the other option
At a certain level they needed to communicate odds are with that many keys pressing two repeatedly would not cause an issue.
Pick a random two keys on your keyboard, it's unlikely one of them would be escape or enter. You can type Q and P all you want and it's not going to do much.
3:48 Landry just looking randomly and shuffling away is low key one of the funniest bits he ever did.
2:06 -> "Uh, you're putting me on the spot."
He was a good successor to general hammond fair but firm
And understanding and patient with Daniel to a degree 😂😂
Mitchel is really hamming it here LOVE IT
It's brilliant.
The first minute and fifty seconds of this clip is actually hilarious. I love Browder's acting here as Mitchell.
I can only imagine what general Landry must’ve been thinking during all this, Jackson proves himself invaluable😊
and thus Stargate SG-1 captured what it feels like to try and talk a user through a procedure remotely.. !!
"Click the..."
"The what?"
"Circle with.."
"Oh.."
Get ready for a long slow painful process, at least they had good news :-) I miss this show....and he does figure it out :) Love the look on their faces when Dr. Lee "emphatic yes" :)
"we can't hear or see them" immediately starts to look for them lol
2:30 That high-five makes me lose it every single time.🤣
Awesome Sand.
Merlin should have added a call bell on the device. Since that works better when dictating anything letter by letter.
(Props if you get the reference)
Hector Salamanca from Breaking Bad / Better Call Saul?
@@John73John *DING*
I miss this show😊
im kinda shocked that by season 9 basically every offworld team wasnt required to have at least a basic understand of ancient
Maybe at least one member has to be able to read ancient
@@ff3player what and risk that one member going down? nah make sure they all know it
@@Forsparda Do you know how many dialects of Ancient there is? It would be impossible for everyone to know every dialect but most likely by now they would have a tablet that can translate most Ancient languages.
@@ff3player nope i have no idea! but an understanding of their language in basically any regard lets you try and figure out the meaning even if you dont understand it perfectly
Why would they? It's not everyday that they run into ancient tech. Also by the time you are translating Ancient, you probably need to go get help.
Loved this episode, not as at the end of the one where Jack was invisible and you don't know if Jack was made visible and the others invisible. Both were great. A good add on to the star ships for defense 👍
They don't need to stick with yes and no. They can Mark Watney that sucker. Daniel could hold up a chart of the Alphabet of the ancients, point at each letter in turn and then the others could press a key to say stop when he's pointing at the first letter.
So the Alterans acquired phase shifting technology via the crystal skull aliens, and then passed it on to the Nox.
Probably
Or they developed it indepedently.
@@stonewallperformance that's very probable. In our world, there are multiple occurences of two scientists or more working on the same subject, ending at the same conclusion in a similar time frame. And without interacting once with each other.
I love this show!! Way too short. Although recognize that actors age . Always a limit, true?
To think: it was supposed to last longer.
Had Daniel been a programmer, he could've used binary search instead of brute forcing down a list. It'd be a bit quicker. You also need to map each letter once, and communicate that tapping the yes button in sequence followed by a no to signal the end marks the index of the current (already translated) letter. So for us, a seven tap would mean g, if it were our alphabet.
Just put the alphabet in a binary tree and hit yes/no until you hit a node.
Id say thats a smart idea, but iirc, the only one who could read Ancient, or Altean, or Alantian...was Daniel, going letter by letter was prob the only way...well safe way to have Sam and Cam communicate.
@@Bloodarcher43 I may be missing something.. but assuming the keyboard and screen were showing the same set of characters, couldn't they have just typed out what was shown on the screen? XD
@@sheetpostmodernist398Daniel say there is a risk in trying new keys so they should stick to the two they used for yes and no
@@thomaspreudhomme9443 if you press the button quickly 5 times in a row, it might activate sos mode and dial 911 ;)
Would have thought, that by season 9 Sam would have picked up some decent knowledge of ancient.
Slow and steady wind the race, but dang, what about food, lol.
I wonder how many takes they needed for this scene, having to pretend Ben isn't there as he's whacking out 🤣
Could you imagine this plot happening today? Sam and Cam get zapped to another dimension, can't interact with anything, see holographic display they can't read.
Sam pulls out phone and opens SGC Google Translate, solves issue in 5 minutes.
man i would love to have to key-switches they last for centuries lol, also imagine if the Ancient OS had a sticky key function like windows does
Turn's the device on... starts working...
3 mins later..
"Your device is missing 1491941931923 critical updates...choose a time to restart.."
Handy that jackson could translate two buttons as being the keys for "yes" and "no"
He didn't translate them, he just (randomly) choose them for yes and no.
@@karinsch3347 but he also knew what the symbols on the keys mean, since he can speak Ancient, so he knew pressing them randomly wouldn’t have any effect, making them the perfect keys to use to communicate with Sam and Mitch.
If they can push a button why can't they use Morse code?
Absolutely. Even if Sam and Cam didn't know it, all they have to do is hold up a chart for them to read. And communication would only need to be one way
I feel like to shorten how long it would take he should have just got two whiteboards, one with the ancient alphabet with the corresponding English alphabet and they could have translated it themselves, and then chances are at least one person on a military base knows Morse code, if not Mitchell himself
Going letter by letter makes me so frustrated with Daniel. Just ask if it's on a particular line of the keyboard
If they repeatedly pressed those two buttons they could have done a quick version of the bb hector chart
How can they not have used the good old Morse code…
How would that have helped them translate the Ancient language?! Not to mention, unless they took the initiative to learn it on their own, Carter and Mitchell wouldn't know Morse code, as the Navy is the only branch that still teaches Morse code.
Ahh yes, morse code to describe an alien alphabet... Why don't you try typing some morse code into sanskrit?
@@DrakeOola Mark Watney used an ascii chart, it's fairly trivial for Daniel to just write down the Ancient alphabet into it's own codepage and used for numbers above 127(0x7F). Morse code would not have been much harder to extend/overload.
No one knows Morse Code?
The ultimate questions are questions thet include, two or more right answers.
Nokia :)
youd think they would just press on the symbol on the kayboard to say what letter is on the screen instead of going trough the whole alphabet
Click click click, good news we found the off button by accident. We have no clue how to turn it back on though 😮
Don't click any buttons. Carter and Mitchell can read stuff from this side. You can write the alphabet down and have them look at it.
Of course they still have to press the 'yes' button but you can piece together the message in not a terribly long time by Daniel pointing at each letter in turn and having them press the button when Daniel is on the right letter.
@@TimoRutanen that is what he was doing at the end,. you see him moving his finger along the letters, but since they dont use normal letters, their system is more like kanji in Asian languages, there are alot more different symbols, as each one is a more complex idea, hence this will take a while.
@@TimoRutanen Even better, you can put the alphabet on the grid then use the two chosen buttons for x and y coordinates. Far faster than glossing your hand over the entire alphabet each time and going slow enough so they can actually stop you on the right letter... You'd also want to give them some kind of delete key in case they mess up, could end up screwing the entire thing up like how in some languages adding a single letter/word changes the entire meaning which means they'd have to start over with no way to actually tell them to start over. You could just make pushing both buttons at the same time count as delete, would save a lot of hassle.
all he had to do was say "Ok this button. One for yes, two for no." Then when doing the alphabet thing, use the same button and say "push it when im pointing to the right one." Wouldnt take as long as in the episode AND alleviates the risk of button 2 blowing up the base or something.
Didn't anyone think of using Morse code?
Recognizing Ancient is one thing being able to read it is another
I wish colonel Mitchel had stayed invisible.
I'm sure he would too like O'Neil wanted to. But being invinsible is one thing. Being unable to interact with normal reality is another.
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