I've always thought about it like this, most women I've lived with are "constantly" (as more often, especially during menstrual cycles, where the symptoms seem to intensify during these periods) dealing with headaches, or back pains or very mild cold like ailments, however they deal with it better, seemingly because they deal with "constantly" as I stated previously, where as most men I've known and including myself, are rarely every sick, let alone constantly, but when we do get sick it's like a freight train of fatigue hitting all at once, although it seems to never last more than a few days then it's like nothing happened, but because we aren't "use to it" so to speak it seems much more intensified. I think the complaining aspect of the theroy is just down to the Individual. Now this is just how I see it through my experience of observation through my time in the military and being married, I am in no way a medical anything of any kind so please don't witch hunt me lol, also through my experience in the military I've noticed that both males and females who are in rarely ever get sick at all, although I'm pretty sure it's due to all the shots they give us.
Men have exactly the same hormonal changes as women; menstruation is the only real biological difference. No one powers through flu; if you've got the flu, you're in bed, male or female. Anything else is a cold.
@Ty Carne Ofcourse, no denying proven statistics, I personally just do not believe it's that cut and dry, everyone deals with it differently, but your biology does almost assuredly play a role, as well as outside factors, immunology, attitude, as well as overall health, and many other factors I'm sure, however I'll say again I'm not a professional in this.
i'd be inclined to agree, probably because men have to keep going or things usually fall apart, so when we DO get ill, it hits is all at once and our body shuts down for the rest its been fighting off for a long time due to the societal pressure for men to not be allowed to stop or be ill or rest
Between menstruation, menopause, birth control side effects, etc, I think women are better at managing to function day to day with some sense of pain or discomfort, for some women, pretty excruciating pain. Men dont have these experiences and unless they have some underlying health issues, aren't used to functioning with discomfort like women are.
This is the first time I hear about "man flu", it's not a thing here in Italy. I always thought that men tend to exaggerate on how bad they feel (at least men in my family) and just act as if they're close to death while they just have a small fever while women (at least in my family me included) wait to feel really sick before we go to bed and rest, can't leave my husband hungry even if I have 39°C fever.
Women are often utterly disgusted when men are perceived as showing weakness. If you would have asked the girlfriends / wives of the men in the study to report their opinion of the symptoms in men, the women would have reported that though the symptoms are no big deal, the men are acting as if it is much, much worse. In other words, this myth comes about from women's perception of sick men. In other words, the men's reported symptoms and the Doctor's analysis show that Doctors seem to seem to think the men are responding accordingly, however, women are going to think the men are way over-reacting. That's the issue.
i don't know, i can't see myself making fun of someone else's suffering. people handle pain and illness differently. when i get sick, i usually have a very difficult time and a very high fever. i almost always self-isolate and wait to get better, which takes time. i never want to draw anyone's attention or pity, and usually do not inform anyone that i am sick. on the few occasions when other people were around me, specifically girlfriends, i have been mocked for my illness and that im being a baby. it is strange, but i guess the stereotype will never die.
Men absolutely do experience exponentially worse flus and colds because of the higher amount of ACE2 receptors in our bodies, we essentially experience several times the same infection all at once, this is also the reason why rates of covid infection and mortality are so much higher for men. Unless a woman has a very strange biology, she'll never understand how bad a male flu feels, and the way they make fun about it is very cruel, imagine a man making fun of labor pain.
I don't think people understand. I'm sure some men are married and their wife will be sick, and she gives a cold to him and he feels way worst. It has nothing to do with complaining. I'm not complaining at all, the body pain I have right now is insane and this only happens when I'm sick sometimes not all the time. My joints, especially legs are killing me. I just want to lay down and sleep, but I'm in the office at work. I felt ok yesterday, now my legs and lower back feel like I did a freaking work out and rushed too fast into heavy weights. The first day, Monday, I was knocked out for a bit, cuddling like a freaking baby with my wife, no complaining, just actual real response. I accidently stabbed a knife through Index like 11 years ago, it went through the side and came out the top, blood everywhere, hurt like heck, needed stitches, even removing the stitches hurt, the pain was so bad for a week I couldn't sleep without my hand being elevated since it woke me up. I didn't complain, didn't cry, I said, well guess I'm going to the hospital, went, took like 5 hours, stitched up, went back home, went to college the next day bandaged up with pain meds I did not take, took 6 weeks to heal enough. I rather THAT, than this Flu ache for a week plus, and being tired, headache etc every day. At least it was just my hand/finger, this is my entire body. I have had Covid when it first popped up 4 years ago, and the body aches were worse than this to the point I couldn't even sit for long it was so painful, had to work remote and take 5-10 min breaks for my whole shift. It took 2 months to feel 100%. I got Omnicron after that and that was nothing, Delta hit me like a ton of Bricks. I was in bed for 2 weeks.
The most important things was left out. Women are often utterly disgusted when men are perceived as showing weakness. If you would have asked the girlfriends / wives of the men in the study to report their opinion of the symptoms in men, the women would have reported that though the symptoms are no big deal, the men are acting as if it is much, much worse. In other words, this myth comes about from women's perception of sick men. In other words, the men's reported symptoms and the Doctor's analysis show that Doctors seem to seem to think the men are responding accordingly, however, women are going to think the men are way over-reacting. That's the issue.
@@DebunkedOfficial yeah 👍🏻 Because indian Hindi language have it's own grammars and meanings. And it's hilarious also. Just like , if you say "guy" 👨 In india means cow 🐮 😅
@@DebunkedOfficial it was touch and go there for a moment 🙏 But then my wife got annoyed at me and told me that I had to help with the baby no matter what 😅 I mysteriously got even worse for a day or two after that. I think it's called nagging wife syndrome 😇❤️
Here in Germany, it's: Männergrippe. You get the whole range of any "deadly" symptoms: if you have enough publicity 😅 When you're living alone, there's almost no symptoms at all 😂
I think it is more likely to be what your dominant sexual hormone is than anything else as to how you react to a cold or flu. Generally men do feel worst when they got a cold than women do. Before I started estrogen when I got a cold I would be in bed all day every day sleeping to fight off the infection. Now that I am on estrogen I barely notice having a cold. From an evolutionary standpoint it kind of makes sense, a woman can't afford to be sick she has kids to look after.
shame you didnt historically include mens more draining bodys work condition is part why it hits harder take 1 logging season then flue or 1 season of female teacher the draining of energy is different
That survey of the men not feeling worse is BS, im litterally sick this second with a Flu/Fever my partner also got it (from me 😅) she could stand up, sit up, go downstairs, make a drink, open her eyes for longer then 5 minutes, have a conversation, while i couldn't do any of that i was basically comatose with a body feeling like it was seconds away from becoming the human torch thats what the first 2/3 days were like for us and your telling me we feel the same😂, i also dont get why women aren't celebrating this aswell like men have stronger bodys women have th stronger immune system take the W lol
Really? It's more a common saying in Britain, how men exaggerate their flu or cold. Its only used jokingly in my experience, but videos like this try to see if there is any truth in it
There are two logical reasons for this. One is that men are so used to feeling strong that a sudden reduction in that strength weaken their mental as well as physical strength. The second is that men have greater body mas above the waist and the flu weakens this mass and pulls down a male's ability to function. On the other hand I and many other men have continued to function just fine due to a phenomenon called fortitude. Work needs to be done, we do it. We cowboy up. The conclusion? Marry a cowboy.
let people heal in their own way. i'm definitely against the 'suck it up' culture. sure if you have others to take care of. but i will never 'suck it up' for a corporate job that does not care about you.
All the men in my family never get “man” flu, except my brother. It’s not Any of this junk you’re going on about. It’s simply men being wimps about Any sickness. My dad does it Sometimes, but it’s literally for attention. I Love Lucy even shed some light on this. When Lucy was pregnant, Ricky suddenly got very “ill.” Turns out, psychologically, he just wanted attention, so his body made him “sick.”
Very informative as always, I think the sociological factors definitely weigh in on this. I would like to see some videos on microplastics and how they interact with animals and humans as it is becoming discussed more in the news but I'm still not sure on all the science behind it
Like many gender-related differences, the phenomenon dates back to our hunter-gatherer days. Men hunted. There was a thin line between being hunter and prey and having anyone less than 100% fit in the hunting party was a danger to all. So if you felt a bit under the weather, you'd skulk in your cave or up a tree until you were well enough to rejoin your fellows. Women gathered - and looked after children - and they have the skills to do that even with pneumonia and a leg hanging off.
It is considered seh.xist to point out males biological advantages over females but not the other way around, as we're being shoved down with exactly that all the time. Get it?
It’s only sexist when they say it in a hurtful way like “Women are just bad at sports” “Women are weak” etc…. Saying that men are biologically stronger and have higher lung capacity etc.. is ok but saying that all men are stronger than women isn’t. I’d bet a lot of money I’m stronger then most men (except the other athletes of course)
If it's anything that hurt men, it doesn't count as seksist. *WOMEN FOR LIVES!, SEE THIS! MEN ARE WEAK, MAKE WOMEN REPLACE MEN AND THIS WORLD DONT NEED MEN!*
I would have loved to see a study where the doctors severity scoring matched both the men’s and women’s perceptions. I am wondering if this study has bias due to the discrepancy between self reported illness and doctor rated illness in women on day 0.
Women are often utterly disgusted when men are perceived as showing weakness. If you would have asked the girlfriends / wives of the men in the study to report their opinion of the symptoms in men, the women would have reported that though the symptoms are no big deal, the men are acting as if it is much, much worse. In other words, this myth comes about from women's perception of sick men. In other words, the men's reported symptoms and the Doctor's analysis show that Doctors seem to think the men are responding accordingly, however, women are going to think the men are way over-reacting. That's the issue.
Okay, I admit this is anecdotal based on my own experience. I am a non binary AMAB person. My hormones in the past has been more testosterone than estrogen and now for the last two years more estrogen than testosterone. When I was on testosterone if I got a cold I would be bedridden for days sleeping whilst my immune system fought off the virus infection. Now that I am on estrogen if I get a cold I barely feel it at all. I caught a cold just before Xmas that lasted to the end of January and apart from a day here and there where I spent a couple of hours in bed during the day I was more or less okay. So sex hormones might have something to do with it.
The video isn't transphobic, the medical studies don't include trans people most of the time so debunked can't report on anything that isn't there. Definitely high time to change that
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Twitter will go wild when they hear about this
anyone else watching this while in bed with a fever? 🤒
🥵
Yeah I'm dying 😂
I'm on the John before bed.
I've always thought about it like this, most women I've lived with are "constantly" (as more often, especially during menstrual cycles, where the symptoms seem to intensify during these periods) dealing with headaches, or back pains or very mild cold like ailments, however they deal with it better, seemingly because they deal with "constantly" as I stated previously, where as most men I've known and including myself, are rarely every sick, let alone constantly, but when we do get sick it's like a freight train of fatigue hitting all at once, although it seems to never last more than a few days then it's like nothing happened, but because we aren't "use to it" so to speak it seems much more intensified. I think the complaining aspect of the theroy is just down to the Individual. Now this is just how I see it through my experience of observation through my time in the military and being married, I am in no way a medical anything of any kind so please don't witch hunt me lol, also through my experience in the military I've noticed that both males and females who are in rarely ever get sick at all, although I'm pretty sure it's due to all the shots they give us.
Men have exactly the same hormonal changes as women; menstruation is the only real biological difference. No one powers through flu; if you've got the flu, you're in bed, male or female. Anything else is a cold.
@Ty Carne Ofcourse, no denying proven statistics, I personally just do not believe it's that cut and dry, everyone deals with it differently, but your biology does almost assuredly play a role, as well as outside factors, immunology, attitude, as well as overall health, and many other factors I'm sure, however I'll say again I'm not a professional in this.
i'd be inclined to agree, probably because men have to keep going or things usually fall apart, so when we DO get ill, it hits is all at once and our body shuts down for the rest its been fighting off for a long time due to the societal pressure for men to not be allowed to stop or be ill or rest
@@mylunchablesarcold3927 Women tend to life longer due to a stronger immun system?
That's good to get shots as long as you get it 👍⚕️
So glad you guys are back🙏.. my fav RUclips channel by far
Thank you! That’s very kind of you to say 😊
Between menstruation, menopause, birth control side effects, etc, I think women are better at managing to function day to day with some sense of pain or discomfort, for some women, pretty excruciating pain. Men dont have these experiences and unless they have some underlying health issues, aren't used to functioning with discomfort like women are.
This is the first time I hear about "man flu", it's not a thing here in Italy. I always thought that men tend to exaggerate on how bad they feel (at least men in my family) and just act as if they're close to death while they just have a small fever while women (at least in my family me included) wait to feel really sick before we go to bed and rest, can't leave my husband hungry even if I have 39°C fever.
A near-perfect description of man flu!
In asia, people have fever 40 degree for a few days still have to go to work lol. No such thing as man flu. It's just western propaganda
Women are often utterly disgusted when men are perceived as showing weakness. If you would have asked the girlfriends / wives of the men in the study to report their opinion of the symptoms in men, the women would have reported that though the symptoms are no big deal, the men are acting as if it is much, much worse. In other words, this myth comes about from women's perception of sick men. In other words, the men's reported symptoms and the Doctor's analysis show that Doctors seem to seem to think the men are responding accordingly, however, women are going to think the men are way over-reacting. That's the issue.
i don't know, i can't see myself making fun of someone else's suffering. people handle pain and illness differently. when i get sick, i usually have a very difficult time and a very high fever. i almost always self-isolate and wait to get better, which takes time. i never want to draw anyone's attention or pity, and usually do not inform anyone that i am sick. on the few occasions when other people were around me, specifically girlfriends, i have been mocked for my illness and that im being a baby. it is strange, but i guess the stereotype will never die.
Men absolutely do experience exponentially worse flus and colds because of the higher amount of ACE2 receptors in our bodies, we essentially experience several times the same infection all at once, this is also the reason why rates of covid infection and mortality are so much higher for men.
Unless a woman has a very strange biology, she'll never understand how bad a male flu feels, and the way they make fun about it is very cruel, imagine a man making fun of labor pain.
I`ve done the last part
Really interesting stuff!
I don't think people understand. I'm sure some men are married and their wife will be sick, and she gives a cold to him and he feels way worst. It has nothing to do with complaining. I'm not complaining at all, the body pain I have right now is insane and this only happens when I'm sick sometimes not all the time. My joints, especially legs are killing me. I just want to lay down and sleep, but I'm in the office at work. I felt ok yesterday, now my legs and lower back feel like I did a freaking work out and rushed too fast into heavy weights. The first day, Monday, I was knocked out for a bit, cuddling like a freaking baby with my wife, no complaining, just actual real response. I accidently stabbed a knife through Index like 11 years ago, it went through the side and came out the top, blood everywhere, hurt like heck, needed stitches, even removing the stitches hurt, the pain was so bad for a week I couldn't sleep without my hand being elevated since it woke me up.
I didn't complain, didn't cry, I said, well guess I'm going to the hospital, went, took like 5 hours, stitched up, went back home, went to college the next day bandaged up with pain meds I did not take, took 6 weeks to heal enough. I rather THAT, than this Flu ache for a week plus, and being tired, headache etc every day. At least it was just my hand/finger, this is my entire body. I have had Covid when it first popped up 4 years ago, and the body aches were worse than this to the point I couldn't even sit for long it was so painful, had to work remote and take 5-10 min breaks for my whole shift. It took 2 months to feel 100%. I got Omnicron after that and that was nothing, Delta hit me like a ton of Bricks. I was in bed for 2 weeks.
That brought some clarity
The most important things was left out. Women are often utterly disgusted when men are perceived as showing weakness. If you would have asked the girlfriends / wives of the men in the study to report their opinion of the symptoms in men, the women would have reported that though the symptoms are no big deal, the men are acting as if it is much, much worse. In other words, this myth comes about from women's perception of sick men. In other words, the men's reported symptoms and the Doctor's analysis show that Doctors seem to seem to think the men are responding accordingly, however, women are going to think the men are way over-reacting. That's the issue.
I never heard of this before.
Same nor have I heard any men complain about it
Is 'Man Flu' a thing in your country? 🤒
No, it's not a thing around here
Which country are you in?
Yes, my dad recently said he had the Man Flu.
Not a thing in Sweden.
It's called "Männergrippe" in Germany
So it kind of true.
What is ‘Man Flu’ called in your country? 🤒
In india🇮🇳 man flu is called
साधारण ज़ूखाम (saadhaaran zukaam)
Where (saadhaaran)साधारण means ordinary
And (zukaam) ज़ूखाम means fever, flu 🤧
@@Angrymask Ordinary Flu 😆
@@DebunkedOfficial yeah 👍🏻
Because indian Hindi language have it's own grammars and meanings.
And it's hilarious also.
Just like , if you say "guy" 👨
In india means cow 🐮 😅
@@Angrymask 😆Thanks for the information, I'll make sure not to say that next time I'm in India!
Why the hell are you so underrated:( .love from India ❤
Sources would be great
Sure, we reference the specific studies in the video itself. But I’ll add links too 👍
@@DebunkedOfficial wonderful, it makes things easy
In Denmark it's called "mandesyge" 😅
I just had it, and it was brutal 🤣👍
Good to know 👌 Glad to hear you survived it 💪 😂
@@DebunkedOfficial it was touch and go there for a moment 🙏
But then my wife got annoyed at me and told me that I had to help with the baby no matter what 😅
I mysteriously got even worse for a day or two after that.
I think it's called nagging wife syndrome 😇❤️
Here in Germany, it's: Männergrippe.
You get the whole range of any "deadly" symptoms: if you have enough publicity 😅
When you're living alone, there's almost no symptoms at all 😂
Not a million miles away from “men’ll gripe” 😆
Never heard of “man flu”
So it took you 19min to tell me to go inside. Wow.
In conclusion, women recover faster than men.
🤔
I think man fu is just man being overly dramatic when they've got a common cold
I think it is more likely to be what your dominant sexual hormone is than anything else as to how you react to a cold or flu. Generally men do feel worst when they got a cold than women do. Before I started estrogen when I got a cold I would be in bed all day every day sleeping to fight off the infection. Now that I am on estrogen I barely notice having a cold. From an evolutionary standpoint it kind of makes sense, a woman can't afford to be sick she has kids to look after.
shame you didnt historically include mens more draining bodys work condition is part why it hits harder
take 1 logging season then flue
or 1 season of female teacher the draining of energy is different
That survey of the men not feeling worse is BS, im litterally sick this second with a Flu/Fever my partner also got it (from me 😅) she could stand up, sit up, go downstairs, make a drink, open her eyes for longer then 5 minutes, have a conversation, while i couldn't do any of that i was basically comatose with a body feeling like it was seconds away from becoming the human torch thats what the first 2/3 days were like for us and your telling me we feel the same😂, i also dont get why women aren't celebrating this aswell like men have stronger bodys women have th stronger immune system take the W lol
I KNEW IT! ! ! 🤒
What men can't share weakness with others? Nooooooo that's totally wrong. Lol
Just eat paracetamol.
This is literally the first time I've ever heard of this, or anything remotely like this. Frankly it sounds like some kind of meme.
Really? It's more a common saying in Britain, how men exaggerate their flu or cold. Its only used jokingly in my experience, but videos like this try to see if there is any truth in it
What country are you in? It's a term widely used in the UK.
@@DebunkedOfficial And in Germany called "Männergrippe"
@@Appoxo Thanks! Does that translate directly?
@@DebunkedOfficial Oh, okay. I'm in the US.
There are two logical reasons for this. One is that men are so used to feeling strong that a sudden reduction in that strength weaken their mental as well as physical strength. The second is that men have greater body mas above the waist and the flu weakens this mass and pulls down a male's ability to function. On the other hand I and many other men have continued to function just fine due to a phenomenon called fortitude. Work needs to be done, we do it. We cowboy up. The conclusion? Marry a cowboy.
let people heal in their own way. i'm definitely against the 'suck it up' culture. sure if you have others to take care of. but i will never 'suck it up' for a corporate job that does not care about you.
All the men in my family never get “man” flu, except my brother. It’s not Any of this junk you’re going on about. It’s simply men being wimps about Any sickness. My dad does it Sometimes, but it’s literally for attention. I Love Lucy even shed some light on this. When Lucy was pregnant, Ricky suddenly got very “ill.” Turns out, psychologically, he just wanted attention, so his body made him “sick.”
😂😂 where's the woke thing community? Does this include those genders or just natural men and women?
Very informative as always, I think the sociological factors definitely weigh in on this.
I would like to see some videos on microplastics and how they interact with animals and humans as it is becoming discussed more in the news but I'm still not sure on all the science behind it
Think I feel a sore throat coming on 🤒
😂
Another video another good haircut 😁
Why thank you ☺️
Like many gender-related differences, the phenomenon dates back to our hunter-gatherer days. Men hunted. There was a thin line between being hunter and prey and having anyone less than 100% fit in the hunting party was a danger to all. So if you felt a bit under the weather, you'd skulk in your cave or up a tree until you were well enough to rejoin your fellows. Women gathered - and looked after children - and they have the skills to do that even with pneumonia and a leg hanging off.
Fan from India 🇮🇳
I'm glad that you are back 👍🏻
Basically the Man flu is a Chad at the start and a Virgin Simp at the end for women
amazing video!!!
Thank you!!
I had never heard of Man Flu. Now I have been informed.😊
We thought it was a relatively international term but it seems it's less commonly used than we realised. Thanks for watching.
It is considered seh.xist to point out males biological advantages over females but not the other way around, as we're being shoved down with exactly that all the time. Get it?
It’s only sexist when they say it in a hurtful way like
“Women are just bad at sports”
“Women are weak”
etc….
Saying that men are biologically stronger and have higher lung capacity etc.. is ok but saying that all men are stronger than women isn’t. I’d bet a lot of money I’m stronger then most men (except the other athletes of course)
If it's anything that hurt men, it doesn't count as seksist. *WOMEN FOR LIVES!, SEE THIS! MEN ARE WEAK, MAKE WOMEN REPLACE MEN AND THIS WORLD DONT NEED MEN!*
I would have loved to see a study where the doctors severity scoring matched both the men’s and women’s perceptions. I am wondering if this study has bias due to the discrepancy between self reported illness and doctor rated illness in women on day 0.
Women are often utterly disgusted when men are perceived as showing weakness. If you would have asked the girlfriends / wives of the men in the study to report their opinion of the symptoms in men, the women would have reported that though the symptoms are no big deal, the men are acting as if it is much, much worse. In other words, this myth comes about from women's perception of sick men. In other words, the men's reported symptoms and the Doctor's analysis show that Doctors seem to think the men are responding accordingly, however, women are going to think the men are way over-reacting. That's the issue.
@@bcataijibrother was shaking and crying while writing this comment
Okay, I admit this is anecdotal based on my own experience. I am a non binary AMAB person. My hormones in the past has been more testosterone than estrogen and now for the last two years more estrogen than testosterone. When I was on testosterone if I got a cold I would be bedridden for days sleeping whilst my immune system fought off the virus infection. Now that I am on estrogen if I get a cold I barely feel it at all. I caught a cold just before Xmas that lasted to the end of January and apart from a day here and there where I spent a couple of hours in bed during the day I was more or less okay.
So sex hormones might have something to do with it.
Interesting, thanks for sharing your experience 👍
The cold in question is also an important factor. Not all colds are made equally afterall.
It seems like it is practically impossible to prove or disprove man flu without a definitive numerical way to measure symptom's severity.
solutra
Can't say suffer the same as a man more along the healthy side
4 minutes before the video starts.
Watch out to not get cancelled for medical facts
True
Is that a thing?
No, it's not a thing
@@DebunkedOfficial surprisingly, yes
Just try and stay away from twitter
@@davidefinzi8145 I’ve seen it happen.
There is no H in "Stu."
Well done
I've never heard of "man flu"! What is this nonsense?
Oh look! Biology being affirmed!
Feminist be like
Why it not woman flu
You be like
Wah wah wah feminist hurt my feelings 😭😭😭😭
As transphobic as it was informative, bravo
The video isn't transphobic, the medical studies don't include trans people most of the time so debunked can't report on anything that isn't there. Definitely high time to change that
@@nessidoe8080 it would be interesting seeing these kinds of differences between a biological male and a trans male
@@payhemseht what's a trans male?
Transphobia isn't a real thing, nobody is scared of trans people 😂
Man Flu aka getting out of chores that women give us