ELM sound designer here. Agree or disagree with AI, the debate is interesting to see. Yes we put in some significant work to mix all the audio just like you would with actual recorded sound fx/music, but it was crazy to see AI do as well as it did, even if it’s not perfect.
The BMW R 75 does not sound like a BMW R 75 at all. Why have you done this so wrongly? This is like the Apollo 11 Saturn five moon rocket with the sound of a Chinese petrol lawnmower.
Sound Editor and Mixer here. How long did it take you guys to go through the entire process for one of these clips? These types of videos make it seem like yall just typed a few words, hit a few keys and boom: you have a scene. I know you mentioned you had to do the mixing but can you go more in depth with your process? I'd love to talk to you guys about it!
@@BoomMikeAudio Yeah, so we spent a decent amount of time generating sounds until we found something that fit. Sometimes it would go quickly sometimes it’d take us a while. Ultimately started off with finding sounds for the key elements of the scene, and then got more detailed from there. Mixing was all done in Logic in a matter of 2 hours or less per scene. If I had more time I could’ve made everything much better, (less squeaky handle bars in hindsight lol) but we like to complete our videos fast once we start them. At the end of the day, we don’t even necessarily agree that AI is better or the right tool, but was more of an experiment and commentary on the current state of AI and sound design.
Right now we use AI to "copy" human creativity, but soon it'll be AI copying the works of other AI's, and it's at that point we get "shit in a can" by Piero Manzoni (Artist's Shit - 1961). Interesting that we've seen this long before computer were invented. We're still doing it, look up "Comedian" by Maurizio Cattelan (it's a banana duct taped to a wall, price $120.000 because why not).
We used AI to rip off John Williams doing a John Williams score and it sounds like a John Williams score. Great. We asked AI to tell us Gary Rydstrom created the T-rex roar, then we asked AI to rip it off. Awesome. Copies of copies. How many generations of this before "art" is nothing but a thin, synthetic ghost of a thousand generations ago?
I believe this video is good as it serves both as a wake-up call and food for thought. I liked your AI voice but it misses your real dynamic voice at the same time.
The best use case right now is for folly, and maybe sfx. Actual scoring, you just don't have the control. Its good to create melodic references, that can be recreated, but you're just not going to get enough fidelity for a proper mix, if you are a filmmaker. Its just not going to work. Unless at some point, you're able to feed an entire film, and then in real time get AI to score it based on the emotional beats, and have AI create separate wave files instead of just one. If that ever happens, that would be a game changer. You'd have incredibly small teams making blockbuster level productions.
Not much, but you can customize them, get more variations of one specific one, etc. And generate things you couldn't easily find. Other than that, it's similar.
@@chiefmief9616 Are you sure? "Generating" happens by remixing sounds from library. AI must to analyze a ton of examples to know what is motorcycle sound and how a bird sounds. AI can't generate anything without example / library.
@@ZvilgantisKailis Yes, I'm sure, because that's how generative AI works. It is not remixing, it is learning, like a person would when trying (for example) to paint an elephant in the style of da Vinci by looking at many elephants and many works of Leonardo. Because remixing alone would not produce consistent results.
The best stuff created with AI always seems to have a decent amount of work and artistic direction behind it. I think of things like what Corridor Digital has been working on. The generic stuff that isn’t so interesting and has that VERY “generated by AI” feel is just whatever AI pops out first is good enough. If it’s used as an “easy button” it’s usually pretty apparent and uninspiring. But when used as another creative tool I feel like there is still merit to the art.
That is insane! Ever single part of this video, and it is scary, i forgot an AI was reading your voice too, AI is so exciting and scary. Thanks for exposing me t o this amazing tools :-)
I do respect you guys a lot but this feels wrong. SAG AFTRA and the Writers just finished striking over this exact thing. I think AI audio works for older films because its already trained on those older films. The music is derivative because it was derived from these sources. And John Williams deserves every penny for what he made that fit the films he worked on. Same for the other composers and sound designers that worked on these. Stripping the artists that make cinema great from the process because it sounds “just as good”, doesnt progress the art form because we are making copies of copies of copies. I hope this helps you however you need but I wont be participating.
This why regulation is needed not because of technology itself but what man’s intention of using AI. I do appreciate that Epic Light Media advised that this was created using AI. It shows that they were responsible in informing their followers and not intentionally missing leading them 😊
I feel the same way. But I'm frightened by what this AI tech might be able to in 5, 10, or 15 years from now. It could get so good, we'll all be out of jobs...
There’s a lot of potential for AI tools in small-team or fast-turnaround applications to get a “good enough” solution. Much like how things like hybrid cameras and LED light panels made quality video production affordable to the masses. If the budget exists, being able to tailor the music and audio to be exactly right and consistent across the production rather than good enough will still win out. Larger productions might still want to use the tools to speed up production of some sound assets, particularly elements to be blended into layered sounds, or for more generic sounds that are not a point of audience focus.
It was interesting. The theme did sound very John William-esque but not wholly original as if he wrote a new piece of music for the scenes. We're not there yet, but almost, but I do believe you could make a movie with ai tools now.
Thanks for showing us the actual steps. It's much more valuable that way. My reference point for 'made by Ai' is the song Savages, featuring Ai Jay-Z. I was a little surprised to find from an interview, that when you drilled down, the only bit made by Ai was the texture of one of the voices! The group created all the music. The rapper wrote and performed his own raps. And he also wrote raps in the style of Jay-Z, and then performed them in the style of Jay-Z. And then Ai altered the texture of his voice to sound like Jay-Z for those parts. It turned out to be about 5% Ai
It’s almost creepy how good of a job it can do. For someone like me who does little short films with basically 0 budget, these tools can be so helpful. I definitely understand the extreme concerns on a professional level though
I will always prefer human made things, even though these are excellent. There's something special about your real, dynamic voice; I don't know if AI will ever get it just right...
What's so fascinating about voluntarily throwing away all of your creativity? That would be as if a classical painter had commissioned someone to paint “something that fits” and then stood up and shouted: “I did that!”. Absurd, right?
Artists did and do this. Michelangelo couldn't have painted the Sistine Chapel alone - he had a group of students and helpers. Ditto Leonardo Davinci again with apprentices and helpers. Andy Warhol is the same. Physically impossible for him to have created the amount of work he produced. There's a story in Fake Heroes by Otto English about Warhol agreeing to authenticate a best selling image of Che Guevara as long as he got the proceeds of its sale.
@@altnetid Michaelangelo never claimed to be an artist, at that time the profession of church painter was an apprenticeship, the training lasted 4-5 years, one goal of the training was to learn to be able to deliver reproducible results at a high level. You should have seriously studied history before arguing with it. Also - I don't care what others do, I just wanted to post my statement. If other people find it funny to dance their name while hopping on one leg - go ahead, that has nothing to do with me. Bye.
Honestly, in this use case I do not see the difference to using a sound library (setting aside all AI ethics discussions that is). This was done by a sound designer, not by AI itself. Just the sounds were AI created, which is basically just a fancy way of generating sounds from other sounds. The creativity is actually still very much there in this use case.
Yep. Client needed some punch ins on an older script -- 11Labs cloned the talent with with a 00:01:32 clip DEAD ON. Voice to text for the pickups -- just stunning.
@@sixfoot6films and no audience either, just self feeding loop of content. What comes out of this loop after a hundred cycles should be totally out of this world.
mixed feelings here, I'm amazed how good it sounds, for a one man guerilla style filmmaker this is game changer, helps a lot, but I don't think its perfect for the big studios and all the intricate work needed to get the exact sounds.
The incessant aim to reducing cost will completely reduce our humanity in the process. Y’all want the machines to do everything without putting in any real effort into making something special with your hands and spirit
Very scary future for the creative world. We are almost at a point where literally every photo realistic thing you see on screen can be created with AI. Ive said before that AI is to the visual effects industry what cgi was to the practical effects industry. But much faster……
if you planing to watch a movie on cheap stereo speakers go for it but if you going to watch a movie on a real movie theater is another story . Spielberg never planned those movies for watch only on stereo devices, there are lots of standards (THX , Dolby etc, etc) AI is not there yet .....
Remember that this was mixed just like any other scene. We brought in elements, AI elements in this case, and specifically mixed it for RUclips in stereo. We could’ve mixed it in 5.1 or any other standard if we wanted to. The music was AI generated of course in stereo, but we could’ve used some mixing tricks to make it work pretty decently for surround. AI did not automatically choose what sounds to put into the scene and mix it, that was all done manually.
I used to do some English - my native language(TH) novels translation work, then the company brought my work 100+ files to train the local AI for future translation, some output translated test chapters (in the training files scope), copied my translation exact words in sentences which was almost impossible (I know my own language). Second time I ask them to test translating with the chapters that wasn't in training files, the output (which was from the same trained data - my translation), instead of fallowing my style, it came out like used another person to translate it and the characters in the story became like insane. So my conclusion is, if it has ability to cheat, so every work piece from AI is not pure diffusion, ML, what ever, from neuron network. I'm no expert, but I still have a human instinct when something isn't feel right. I believe AI is cheating.
Honestly any of this AI stuff is just depressing. I know what the future of AI holds: a future where no one has a job anymore and the rich elites running the companies make even more money than they did before.
This is actually blowing my mind. Had you not prefaced this as having any AI elements I wouldn't have picked it. Even if you did say there was AI, but didn't say it was the audio, I wouldn't have picked it. I honestly don't know how to feel about it. Conflicted I guess. It's certainly good enough to pass in a short film.
Thanks for another depressing video. The mixing and placement automation is she to not be far behind either. It’s great that these tools and the future ones to come will be in the hands of everyone interested, but deeply depressing to further dilute the rarity and special something that is cinema… and that’s to say nothing of those who have put the blood, sweat and tears into learning the craft whose careers to an end… not too sure where civilization is headed because it will come for all sectors. I know this sounds like a dig, but I blame you no more than I would have blamed Howard Beale.
This is nuts. Great job, and yes, this audio is good enough to use now. I get the sensitivities, but Pandora's Box is open. These are the tools we have available to use, and people will use them.
I searched for the original jones clip just to watch side by side for comparison and there really is none. First of all the music is timed to the action. Whether the music is made before or after the action sequence they are assembled together with that intent. IE a film maker cutting to action based on existing music or the musician creating the music based on the film makers cuts. This makes for a much more powerful and emotional scene. Likewise the sound effects are tuned to exactly what you are seeing on screen the motorcycles grow loader as they approach. And the voice acting is far better. The high pitched yells in this is the first thing that stood and and seemed off when watching. In the original they voices and screams are done with a deeper male voice. and fit much better. I do not denounce AI as a useful tool. It just all its going to be is the mainstream low quality tool, available to everyone. let anyone make some decent things with it. But if studios start thinking they can cut corners and use AI and have great movies they will be mistaken
This is an excellent example of the lack of respect we hold for humanity and those that built the greatness that we keep trying to imitate with these tools. Training on their life work and disregarding their authentic innovations for the sake of common accessibility. Everyone always want the glory of the feat but when you are using a machine to do everything there is no human glory that you could claim in that.
Epic light media The BMW R 75 does not sound like a BMW R 75 at all. Why have you done this so wrongly? This is like the Apollo 11 Saturn five moon rocket with the sound of a Chinese petrol lawnmower.
Democratize Filmmaking!!!! Machine learning and LLMs have been around for nearly 40 years, the only difference is we have the consumer-grade hardware able to generate it and billion-dollar companies commoditizing it for the masses. Be mad/conflicted if you want... While you do that we will be making a short film for the 48 HFP this weekend and blowing all the 10+ man purist crews out of the water with our 4-man crew of desk workers friends that play with AI toys in their free time and have no formal filmmaking experience
@@AdamBA380 dude... it's 48HFP, we buy food. You think Almost Friday TV or Joel Haver pays their actors? It's a bunch of dudes screwing around making entertaining content
AI is overrated crap. A computer program standing on the shoulder of giants. Ask it to make a mega blockbuster movie with an amazing soundtrack that will inspire generations for decades and show me what it comes up with.
I appreciate that you're trying to bring attention to the coming AI shitstorm, but is that what this channel is going to be now? I liked the channel because you are one of the best educational resources for film making on youtube. I'd appreciate more of that than videos showcasing AI slop while you take some weird centrist, fatalist stance.
So "John Williams" was used as a keyword search and explicitly "how did Jurassic Park create Trex sound"? That’s AI as IP infringement in a nutshell, or at best data search. No intelligence. Try using "Korngold" or "Max Steiner" next time.
I feel like people in the industry are in denial about this and have their heads in the sand when it comes to advancements in AI. Videos like this-made for this audience specifically-are really important and I commend you guys for putting it together. This stuff is getting good fast. It's not 100% there yet (especially the music) but think about how far off this all was 5 years ago. Think about how much work it took to rip off John Williams... Digital instruments, sample packs, etc. Now you can generate something in seconds that 99% of people won't recognize as not being made by a human. Just insane.
I can see using AI to sketch out an idea and maybe even present it to others to get them motivated to work on it. However, I feel it is cheap and nasty when people leverage the work of 100s if not 1,000s of other people through prompt writing by themselves and expect others to take is seriously. Ideas are easy to come up with. Most ideas probably find people as opposed to the other way around. Realizing ideas with a group of humans - that is actually doing something. I do give more support to ideas that don't get made because of gate keepers, but even then - I stand behind if an idea is good enough and sold passionately to others it will get made. Also - groups of people coming together to realize ideas has a much larger impact then just the end result. Watch any behind the scenes content to understand why that is. I hope more people reject the siren call of AI augmented creativity. It has a limited sweet spot in creation that is respectful of others own efforts.
Oof hate everything about this. I know a lot of filmmakers are saying "AI is the future, we need to embrace it now" but people's jobs and livelihoods are at stake. Use AI to make jobs easier, not to take jobs away.
You used a clip from Jurassic Park, and didn't pick up on the irony of the movie's most iconic line: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they never stopped to think if they SHOULD." AI is just an easier method of plagiarism, and an ethical nightmare. This is very disappointing from a channel that usually tries to instruct other creatives.
The sound FX fooled me but the voice over was DEAD inside, was struggling to listen to it for the length of the video, compared to your usual enthusiasm.
Sticking your head in the sand as many are doing won't change anything. AI is improving exponentially and jobs will (are) be at risk. When the bean counters realise they can save time and money they will adopt anything. Learn Adapt Survive
It´s cool that you show the possibilities that some modern tools can give us, but (and i know is probably just for the "clickbait") you shouldn´t write in your thumbnail "AI sounds better", because it just doesn´t. Plus, you used as examples clips from some of the best movies of all time, that employed artists at the top of their craft; which in this case are Ben Burtt, Gary Rydstrom and the incredible John Williams. Maybe this kind of tools are better fitted for making "content", but not art.
"tHe mUsIc iS aLmOsT aS g0oD aS tHe OrIgInAl".......no....not even close. You're attempting to re-create music from the best composer in the history of movie-making and failing miserably.
@@DesignerBerg They may not be able to be specific about it doesn't sound as good but they'll be able to tell a great soundtrack from an average one and why a movie doesn't resonate as well. Art is human, art is not computer replicas with no emotion.
honestly the most jarring part of the video is your voiceover. It sounds dead and artificial. The soundtrack also seems off and probably only passable for a fan project or B movie. Sound effects honestly sound great though.
I'm looking for an AI woman - ever us humans have no jobs ... renegades turned out to be IBM. I'm glad they are creative. Best of luck. Oh and -Jaws was a great AI screenplay.
Channel replaced by pod people. Chief Brody sounds like Tommy Wiseau. "Without listening to the original movie audio as reference"; but we clearly see the prompts fed to the AI for music include the title and composer of the film?
It is pretty much guaranteed that, in less than 20 years, we can make entire feature films with AI that are indistinguishable from the real deal, from actors, to voices, to acting, to sets, sounds, music, editing, scripts, everything. We will have a boom in AI cinema as many more ideas get to be made because of how cheap it will be. An AI trained with all the movies that were made, with a sense of how the language of film works and how it makes us feel, will compete, and ultimately make movie-making, in the traditional sense, obsolete. A few people specialized in movie AI will be able to make, for instance, Alien 3 from scratch, from a community voting system where the script is decided by fans, it will feature a young Sigourney Weaver just like we see in Aliens and it will be able to mix the styles of Ridley Scott and James Cameron if we wish so.
so... illegally scraping the original work to train the system that then recreates the original work but not as good. it's so weird. how does anyone think we have animal sounds and motorcycle sounds and gun sounds to begin with? someone went out with a microphone and recorded them, and then sound designed them into a film or series. then AI comes along, swallows up all the work like a mega-Jaws, and poops it all out again and calls it extraordinary. but it's all just a bunch of Terminators stepping on the skulls of the artists who did the work in the first place.
@@EpicLightMedia I'd never say never. I've certainly messed with AI tools and I'm not 100% against them partly because we have no choice anymore but to accept that it's happening. I also use social media even though I know that it's done immeasurable harm to society and individuals. I just find this example to be egregious and paradoxical.
ELM sound designer here. Agree or disagree with AI, the debate is interesting to see. Yes we put in some significant work to mix all the audio just like you would with actual recorded sound fx/music, but it was crazy to see AI do as well as it did, even if it’s not perfect.
Just imagine 5 years from now, when looking at the pace it's going right now.
The BMW R 75 does not sound like a BMW R 75 at all. Why have you done this so wrongly?
This is like the Apollo 11 Saturn five moon rocket with the sound of a Chinese petrol lawnmower.
Sound Editor and Mixer here. How long did it take you guys to go through the entire process for one of these clips?
These types of videos make it seem like yall just typed a few words, hit a few keys and boom: you have a scene. I know you mentioned you had to do the mixing but can you go more in depth with your process? I'd love to talk to you guys about it!
@@BoomMikeAudio Yeah, so we spent a decent amount of time generating sounds until we found something that fit. Sometimes it would go quickly sometimes it’d take us a while. Ultimately started off with finding sounds for the key elements of the scene, and then got more detailed from there. Mixing was all done in Logic in a matter of 2 hours or less per scene. If I had more time I could’ve made everything much better, (less squeaky handle bars in hindsight lol) but we like to complete our videos fast once we start them. At the end of the day, we don’t even necessarily agree that AI is better or the right tool, but was more of an experiment and commentary on the current state of AI and sound design.
Visual reference of an industry eating itself
Right now we use AI to "copy" human creativity, but soon it'll be AI copying the works of other AI's, and it's at that point we get "shit in a can" by Piero Manzoni (Artist's Shit - 1961).
Interesting that we've seen this long before computer were invented.
We're still doing it, look up "Comedian" by Maurizio Cattelan (it's a banana duct taped to a wall, price $120.000 because why not).
2:27 “The music is almost as good as the original”
No.
Now we need an AI comment generator tool.
We used AI to rip off John Williams doing a John Williams score and it sounds like a John Williams score. Great. We asked AI to tell us Gary Rydstrom created the T-rex roar, then we asked AI to rip it off. Awesome. Copies of copies. How many generations of this before "art" is nothing but a thin, synthetic ghost of a thousand generations ago?
I love how everyone is proud of how they can replace another creator. What happens when they come for you?
excellent teaser into AI for Editing 🙌😎
Someone conducts an interesting experiment, presents the results and people are FLIPPING OUT
I believe this video is good as it serves both as a wake-up call and food for thought. I liked your AI voice but it misses your real dynamic voice at the same time.
The best use case right now is for folly, and maybe sfx. Actual scoring, you just don't have the control. Its good to create melodic references, that can be recreated, but you're just not going to get enough fidelity for a proper mix, if you are a filmmaker. Its just not going to work. Unless at some point, you're able to feed an entire film, and then in real time get AI to score it based on the emotional beats, and have AI create separate wave files instead of just one. If that ever happens, that would be a game changer.
You'd have incredibly small teams making blockbuster level productions.
Wilhelm Scream! Here we go again...😉
ive heard this twice today 🤣🤣
I don't get it - why is this any better than just finding FX clips in a sound library?
Not much, but you can customize them, get more variations of one specific one, etc. And generate things you couldn't easily find. Other than that, it's similar.
Money. Its all about the money. And originality. It creates original music and sound every time.
Because in the end it takes less effort, you still have to put in some work but the "legwork" is done for you.
I think something like this is perfect for basic sound design.
Maybe rename your channel „Epic AI media“
Impressive but it still lacks that umami or magic we got from John Williams and his orchestra.
Instead of "Generate sound" should be "Search library". And half of the magic of AI is gone.
Thank you! 👍
The point is that these are all new, unique sounds and not from a library.
@@chiefmief9616 Are you sure? "Generating" happens by remixing sounds from library. AI must to analyze a ton of examples to know what is motorcycle sound and how a bird sounds. AI can't generate anything without example / library.
@@ZvilgantisKailis Yes, I'm sure, because that's how generative AI works. It is not remixing, it is learning, like a person would when trying (for example) to paint an elephant in the style of da Vinci by looking at many elephants and many works of Leonardo.
Because remixing alone would not produce consistent results.
@@chiefmief9616 Just a reminder - learning process is repeating and replicating. Learning is not inventing, creating something new.
😳wow! so, even with A.I. involved, how many man hours do you think you put into this project?
well, just imagine an orchestra, etc., vs AI
The best stuff created with AI always seems to have a decent amount of work and artistic direction behind it. I think of things like what Corridor Digital has been working on. The generic stuff that isn’t so interesting and has that VERY “generated by AI” feel is just whatever AI pops out first is good enough. If it’s used as an “easy button” it’s usually pretty apparent and uninspiring. But when used as another creative tool I feel like there is still merit to the art.
We put in a few hours per movie segment.
That is insane! Ever single part of this video, and it is scary, i forgot an AI was reading your voice too, AI is so exciting and scary. Thanks for exposing me t o this amazing tools :-)
Amazing and scary at the same time.
I do respect you guys a lot but this feels wrong. SAG AFTRA and the Writers just finished striking over this exact thing. I think AI audio works for older films because its already trained on those older films. The music is derivative because it was derived from these sources. And John Williams deserves every penny for what he made that fit the films he worked on. Same for the other composers and sound designers that worked on these. Stripping the artists that make cinema great from the process because it sounds “just as good”, doesnt progress the art form because we are making copies of copies of copies. I hope this helps you however you need but I wont be participating.
This why regulation is needed not because of technology itself but what man’s intention of using AI. I do appreciate that Epic Light Media advised that this was created using AI. It shows that they were responsible in informing their followers and not intentionally missing leading them 😊
They were striking to stop random RUclipsrs from doing “thought experiment” type videos?
Well said!!!
I feel the same way. But I'm frightened by what this AI tech might be able to in 5, 10, or 15 years from now. It could get so good, we'll all be out of jobs...
Genuinely incredible work!!
Works for basic foley creation, but nothing or anybody is John Williams. He is the machine for real.
This is eerily good except for the mixing and the infamous double layered Wilhelm Scream. In that Indy shot.
The rifle sounds terribly thin.
Amazing! This A.I technology will have profound effects on filmmaking: “A.I the final frontier” ! Exciting times!
Retirement in this industry is now a race against time.
I am in that very situation!!! The Writing is not only on the wall... the writing from Chat GPT itself!!!!!!
There’s a lot of potential for AI tools in small-team or fast-turnaround applications to get a “good enough” solution. Much like how things like
hybrid cameras and LED light panels made quality video production affordable to the masses. If the budget exists, being able to tailor the music and audio to be exactly right and consistent across the production rather than good enough will still win out. Larger productions might still want to use the tools to speed up production of some sound assets, particularly elements to be blended into layered sounds, or for more generic sounds that are not a point of audience focus.
It was interesting. The theme did sound very John William-esque but not wholly original as if he wrote a new piece of music for the scenes. We're not there yet, but almost, but I do believe you could make a movie with ai tools now.
Thanks for showing us the actual steps. It's much more valuable that way.
My reference point for 'made by Ai' is the song Savages, featuring Ai Jay-Z. I was a little surprised to find from an interview, that when you drilled down, the only bit made by Ai was the texture of one of the voices! The group created all the music. The rapper wrote and performed his own raps. And he also wrote raps in the style of Jay-Z, and then performed them in the style of Jay-Z. And then Ai altered the texture of his voice to sound like Jay-Z for those parts. It turned out to be about 5% Ai
You turned Jaws italian!
It’s almost creepy how good of a job it can do. For someone like me who does little short films with basically 0 budget, these tools can be so helpful. I definitely understand the extreme concerns on a professional level though
I will always prefer human made things, even though these are excellent. There's something special about your real, dynamic voice; I don't know if AI will ever get it just right...
BRB. Gotta ask AI to generate a comment about what I think about this subject. 😊
I think udio does not allow to use eg. John Williams as a reference...
What's so fascinating about voluntarily throwing away all of your creativity?
That would be as if a classical painter had commissioned someone to paint “something that fits” and then stood up and shouted: “I did that!”.
Absurd, right?
Artists did and do this.
Michelangelo couldn't have painted the Sistine Chapel alone - he had a group of students and helpers.
Ditto Leonardo Davinci again with apprentices and helpers.
Andy Warhol is the same. Physically impossible for him to have created the amount of work he produced.
There's a story in Fake Heroes by Otto English about Warhol agreeing to authenticate a best selling image of Che Guevara as long as he got the proceeds of its sale.
@@altnetid Michaelangelo never claimed to be an artist, at that time the profession of church painter was an apprenticeship, the training lasted 4-5 years, one goal of the training was to learn to be able to deliver reproducible results at a high level.
You should have seriously studied history before arguing with it.
Also - I don't care what others do, I just wanted to post my statement.
If other people find it funny to dance their name while hopping on one leg - go ahead, that has nothing to do with me. Bye.
Honestly, in this use case I do not see the difference to using a sound library (setting aside all AI ethics discussions that is). This was done by a sound designer, not by AI itself. Just the sounds were AI created, which is basically just a fancy way of generating sounds from other sounds. The creativity is actually still very much there in this use case.
Yep. Client needed some punch ins on an older script -- 11Labs cloned the talent with with a 00:01:32 clip DEAD ON. Voice to text for the pickups -- just stunning.
beautiful
"The music is almost as good as the original" only in the sense that Rosie O Donnel is "almost as sexy" as Margot Robbie
next step : no human intervention at all, just feeding the app with no sound footage and let it work its magic
Or no footage either, just from Sora!!
@@sixfoot6films and no audience either, just self feeding loop of content. What comes out of this loop after a hundred cycles should be totally out of this world.
The scene audio was really good, I'm surprised at how good it is.
This is just the begging. With every new AI software/company, with every new Nvidia hardware and with the no gov. regulation ... sky is the limit
mixed feelings here, I'm amazed how good it sounds, for a one man guerilla style filmmaker this is game changer, helps a lot, but I don't think its perfect for the big studios and all the intricate work needed to get the exact sounds.
These tools will be one way of lowering the barrier to entry into film and it reduces cost.
The incessant aim to reducing cost will completely reduce our humanity in the process. Y’all want the machines to do everything without putting in any real effort into making something special with your hands and spirit
Then who wants to get into film with not being able to make a living any more?
i'm a sound engineer. this is very well done!
Very scary future for the creative world. We are almost at a point where literally every photo realistic thing you see on screen can be created with AI.
Ive said before that AI is to the visual effects industry what cgi was to the practical effects industry. But much faster……
Mate... be honest your voice over. Did you clone your own voice in ElevenLabs for this vid?
We need AI youtubers instead of human youtubers.
Sfx sounds terrible when you play them isolated.
Interesting. So, when I input a composer into Udio they reject it. How did you get around it?
The indiana jones music more appropriate to a movie like Star Wars for some reasons
if you planing to watch a movie on cheap stereo speakers go for it but if you going to watch a movie on a real movie theater is another story . Spielberg never planned those movies for watch only on stereo devices, there are lots of standards (THX , Dolby etc, etc) AI is not there yet .....
Remember that this was mixed just like any other scene. We brought in elements, AI elements in this case, and specifically mixed it for RUclips in stereo. We could’ve mixed it in 5.1 or any other standard if we wanted to. The music was AI generated of course in stereo, but we could’ve used some mixing tricks to make it work pretty decently for surround.
AI did not automatically choose what sounds to put into the scene and mix it, that was all done manually.
What IA tools did they use?
Did you watch the video?
did you layer and mix the AI sounds/music yourself in an editing software?
you would have to, theres no way round that. Theres no mixer in 11 labs
I used to do some English - my native language(TH) novels translation work, then the company brought my work 100+ files to train the local AI for future translation, some output translated test chapters (in the training files scope), copied my translation exact words in sentences which was almost impossible (I know my own language). Second time I ask them to test translating with the chapters that wasn't in training files, the output (which was from the same trained data - my translation), instead of fallowing my style, it came out like used another person to translate it and the characters in the story became like insane. So my conclusion is, if it has ability to cheat, so every work piece from AI is not pure diffusion, ML, what ever, from neuron network. I'm no expert, but I still have a human instinct when something isn't feel right. I believe AI is cheating.
Honestly any of this AI stuff is just depressing. I know what the future of AI holds: a future where no one has a job anymore and the rich elites running the companies make even more money than they did before.
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This is actually blowing my mind. Had you not prefaced this as having any AI elements I wouldn't have picked it. Even if you did say there was AI, but didn't say it was the audio, I wouldn't have picked it. I honestly don't know how to feel about it. Conflicted I guess. It's certainly good enough to pass in a short film.
I would've assumed all these clips were using the original music and sound effects!
Is this voiceover AI generated as well?
WOW!!!
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This is a cheat because you had the original score as a reference. It's not like the A.I. looked at the images and knew what to put there.
Who is AI?
We need more videos like this
Barry, you are a bot
@@7empest785 lol if you say so.
Thanks for another depressing video.
The mixing and placement automation is she to not be far behind either.
It’s great that these tools and the future ones to come will be in the hands of everyone interested, but deeply depressing to further dilute the rarity and special something that is cinema… and that’s to say nothing of those who have put the blood, sweat and tears into learning the craft whose careers to an end… not too sure where civilization is headed because it will come for all sectors.
I know this sounds like a dig, but I blame you no more than I would have blamed Howard Beale.
This is nuts. Great job, and yes, this audio is good enough to use now.
I get the sensitivities, but Pandora's Box is open. These are the tools we have available to use, and people will use them.
I searched for the original jones clip just to watch side by side for comparison and there really is none. First of all the music is timed to the action. Whether the music is made before or after the action sequence they are assembled together with that intent. IE a film maker cutting to action based on existing music or the musician creating the music based on the film makers cuts. This makes for a much more powerful and emotional scene. Likewise the sound effects are tuned to exactly what you are seeing on screen the motorcycles grow loader as they approach. And the voice acting is far better. The high pitched yells in this is the first thing that stood and and seemed off when watching. In the original they voices and screams are done with a deeper male voice. and fit much better.
I do not denounce AI as a useful tool. It just all its going to be is the mainstream low quality tool, available to everyone. let anyone make some decent things with it. But if studios start thinking they can cut corners and use AI and have great movies they will be mistaken
This is an excellent example of the lack of respect we hold for humanity and those that built the greatness that we keep trying to imitate with these tools. Training on their life work and disregarding their authentic innovations for the sake of common accessibility. Everyone always want the glory of the feat but when you are using a machine to do everything there is no human glory that you could claim in that.
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The BMW R 75 does not sound like a BMW R 75 at all. Why have you done this so wrongly?
This is like the Apollo 11 Saturn five moon rocket with the sound of a Chinese petrol lawnmower.
Democratize Filmmaking!!!! Machine learning and LLMs have been around for nearly 40 years, the only difference is we have the consumer-grade hardware able to generate it and billion-dollar companies commoditizing it for the masses. Be mad/conflicted if you want...
While you do that we will be making a short film for the 48 HFP this weekend and blowing all the 10+ man purist crews out of the water with our 4-man crew of desk workers friends that play with AI toys in their free time and have no formal filmmaking experience
You gonna have actors? How much will you pay them?
@@AdamBA380 dude... it's 48HFP, we buy food. You think Almost Friday TV or Joel Haver pays their actors? It's a bunch of dudes screwing around making entertaining content
@@Triflixfilms I think everyone should pay their actors
@@AdamBA380 that is very charitable of you ❤️
@@AdamBA380 I am not talking about Hollywood sets... I am talking bros getting together for pizza and beer to make funny stories and sketches.
AI is overrated crap. A computer program standing on the shoulder of giants. Ask it to make a mega blockbuster movie with an amazing soundtrack that will inspire generations for decades and show me what it comes up with.
except that UDIO is under scrutiny because is using composer's original samples without authorisation. Copyright Infringment detected
I appreciate that you're trying to bring attention to the coming AI shitstorm, but is that what this channel is going to be now? I liked the channel because you are one of the best educational resources for film making on youtube. I'd appreciate more of that than videos showcasing AI slop while you take some weird centrist, fatalist stance.
Impressive, scary technology.
So "John Williams" was used as a keyword search and explicitly "how did Jurassic Park create Trex sound"? That’s AI as IP infringement in a nutshell, or at best data search. No intelligence. Try using "Korngold" or "Max Steiner" next time.
I feel like people in the industry are in denial about this and have their heads in the sand when it comes to advancements in AI. Videos like this-made for this audience specifically-are really important and I commend you guys for putting it together. This stuff is getting good fast. It's not 100% there yet (especially the music) but think about how far off this all was 5 years ago. Think about how much work it took to rip off John Williams... Digital instruments, sample packs, etc. Now you can generate something in seconds that 99% of people won't recognize as not being made by a human. Just insane.
I can see using AI to sketch out an idea and maybe even present it to others to get them motivated to work on it. However, I feel it is cheap and nasty when people leverage the work of 100s if not 1,000s of other people through prompt writing by themselves and expect others to take is seriously. Ideas are easy to come up with. Most ideas probably find people as opposed to the other way around. Realizing ideas with a group of humans - that is actually doing something.
I do give more support to ideas that don't get made because of gate keepers, but even then - I stand behind if an idea is good enough and sold passionately to others it will get made.
Also - groups of people coming together to realize ideas has a much larger impact then just the end result. Watch any behind the scenes content to understand why that is.
I hope more people reject the siren call of AI augmented creativity. It has a limited sweet spot in creation that is respectful of others own efforts.
I respect what Ai can do, but I freaking hate this. Death of creativity…
Oof hate everything about this. I know a lot of filmmakers are saying "AI is the future, we need to embrace it now" but people's jobs and livelihoods are at stake. Use AI to make jobs easier, not to take jobs away.
yikes, guess they were serious about wanting folks to unsubscribe.
Everything about the audio of this video (including the narration) sounds as generic as mayo.
You used a clip from Jurassic Park, and didn't pick up on the irony of the movie's most iconic line: "Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, that they never stopped to think if they SHOULD."
AI is just an easier method of plagiarism, and an ethical nightmare. This is very disappointing from a channel that usually tries to instruct other creatives.
The sound FX fooled me but the voice over was DEAD inside, was struggling to listen to it for the length of the video, compared to your usual enthusiasm.
Sticking your head in the sand as many are doing won't change anything.
AI is improving exponentially and jobs will (are) be at risk.
When the bean counters realise they can save time and money they will adopt anything.
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It´s cool that you show the possibilities that some modern tools can give us, but (and i know is probably just for the "clickbait") you shouldn´t write in your thumbnail "AI sounds better", because it just doesn´t. Plus, you used as examples clips from some of the best movies of all time, that employed artists at the top of their craft; which in this case are Ben Burtt, Gary Rydstrom and the incredible John Williams. Maybe this kind of tools are better fitted for making "content", but not art.
The multiple use of the wilheim scream in this just shows that "AI" Is nothing more than copypasta
Na, motorcycle was the wrong sound, the handle bar squeak 😂, too much “shuffling” in the Jurassic Park scene. Not better.
"tHe mUsIc iS aLmOsT aS g0oD aS tHe OrIgInAl".......no....not even close. You're attempting to re-create music from the best composer in the history of movie-making and failing miserably.
90% of the auduence does not know the difference between an Oboe and a French Horn… :/
Eh. What I’m trying to say is: 90% of the audience will not care, and as such, the end result is equal as far as money is concerned…
@@DesignerBerg They may not be able to be specific about it doesn't sound as good but they'll be able to tell a great soundtrack from an average one and why a movie doesn't resonate as well. Art is human, art is not computer replicas with no emotion.
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honestly the most jarring part of the video is your voiceover. It sounds dead and artificial. The soundtrack also seems off and probably only passable for a fan project or B movie. Sound effects honestly sound great though.
I'm looking for an AI woman - ever us humans have no jobs ... renegades turned out to be IBM. I'm glad they are creative. Best of luck. Oh and -Jaws was a great AI screenplay.
A lot of people will "enjoy" more free time in a couple of years!
When AI takes over their jobs...
Channel replaced by pod people. Chief Brody sounds like Tommy Wiseau. "Without listening to the original movie audio as reference"; but we clearly see the prompts fed to the AI for music include the title and composer of the film?
It is pretty much guaranteed that, in less than 20 years, we can make entire feature films with AI that are indistinguishable from the real deal, from actors, to voices, to acting, to sets, sounds, music, editing, scripts, everything. We will have a boom in AI cinema as many more ideas get to be made because of how cheap it will be. An AI trained with all the movies that were made, with a sense of how the language of film works and how it makes us feel, will compete, and ultimately make movie-making, in the traditional sense, obsolete. A few people specialized in movie AI will be able to make, for instance, Alien 3 from scratch, from a community voting system where the script is decided by fans, it will feature a young Sigourney Weaver just like we see in Aliens and it will be able to mix the styles of Ridley Scott and James Cameron if we wish so.
boo.
I love this channel, but I absolutely hate this content.
Incredible
This is really gross. As creators how can you put out content that downplays the need for real people and real artists being involved? Do better.
Thank you! 🙌
None of this is exciting.
All of this sounds like sophisticated plagiarism.
That was legit af. Well done!
so... illegally scraping the original work to train the system that then recreates the original work but not as good. it's so weird. how does anyone think we have animal sounds and motorcycle sounds and gun sounds to begin with? someone went out with a microphone and recorded them, and then sound designed them into a film or series. then AI comes along, swallows up all the work like a mega-Jaws, and poops it all out again and calls it extraordinary. but it's all just a bunch of Terminators stepping on the skulls of the artists who did the work in the first place.
Are you ever going to use ai tools?
@@EpicLightMedia I'd never say never. I've certainly messed with AI tools and I'm not 100% against them partly because we have no choice anymore but to accept that it's happening. I also use social media even though I know that it's done immeasurable harm to society and individuals. I just find this example to be egregious and paradoxical.