I would have enjoyed it more if the kid had found a way to free himself and caught up to the gizmo that had tricked him and left him for dead and bludgeoned it into screws and circuit boards on Fifth Avenue.
This movie came out and didn't do well at the box office. Same thing with "Annihilation". And yet, we constantly complain there are no good movies to see anymore. Try supporting these smaller films, rather than wasting your money on the next $200 million blockbuster. Or, at least, see both. These are the kinds of films that we need to support.
The really clever thing is that while the vfx are stunning, they are completely secondary to the plot. You could run this as a radio play and it would work such is the quality of the story and the vocal performances. One of my all time favourite films. All three actors were amazing.
@@alecubudulecu $36 million dollars at the box office doesn’t scream everybody saw it… $36 million at the box office screams it’s good for Netflix but not good for the movie going public… For example, Moon is also highly acclaimed movie starting Sam Rockwell that’s also sci-fi… Also loved that movie… Didn’t even make $10 million at the box office… So in essence, as great as it is, for a worldwide audience release that’s critically acclaimed, highly praised, etc, $36 million translates to underrated…
@@syrax101 yeah I agree if talking box office blockbuster numbers. But it cost $15mil to make and more than doubled it’s ROI. Everyone that’s seen it gave it rave reviews and everyone I’ve ever met has either seen it or had it on their wishlist to see. No one I know responds with “what’s that?” It’s not obscure and no one has ever given it a bad review
@@alecubudulecu fair point… However, Inception also Sci-if and they made 5x their ROI… That’s not underrated… They got exactly what it deserves. For the ROI for Ex Machina considering how acclaimed it is, for it to not be underrated they needed to make at the very least $100 million.
The fact that film executives aren't familiar with the phrase "Deus Ex Machina" tells you how far removed Hollywood financiers are from the Art & history of storytelling. Also why most recent & current films suck.
Or they assume the movie going public isn't aware. I think, (or at least hope), that movie executives tend to underestimate the intelligence of the audience.
Very condescending alright, plus completely unnecessary when we all have a "Responde ex machina" device in our pockets anytime we want to look something up.
Next time you watch this classic 👌. Just pay attention to every scene Kyoko is in. She's listening and processing everything!, and especially her communication with Ava near the end.
And more to the film itself, the actress that portrayed Ava knocked it out of the park. Routinely, she would move in a way that was distinctly and disturbingly not human. I thought that these must be CGI in post, that she was wearing a "Dot-Suit." However, to find that it was "all Ava," - that's amazing.....
I wrote my law school thesis based on this movie and the idea of “Who is responsible if sentient AI commits a crime the creator couldn’t foresee?” Got an A👍
Randy Reese - Well, it should be fairly obvious to anyone that certain situations could arise in the future in which one might be held legally responsible for harm caused to property or persons by a malfunctioning device operating on AI. I should point out however that AI does not equate to sentience and even sentience does not equate to self-awareness. And without self-awareness AI is simply a computer, and a machine cannot “commit a crime”. However, if a machine ever did become self-aware - and therefore capable of committing a crime - then it would have its own motivations completely independent of its programming and therefore would be entirely and solely responsible for its own actions. In other words, the maker would not normally be responsible for its actions to any greater or lesser degree than a parent is responsible for the actions of his adult children. The exception to this of course would be if sentient self-aware IA robots were known to exhibit antisocial behaviors and you kept building them anyway despite this knowledge. In the movie of course we do not know if Eva is actually self-aware or not, although the fact that she wants to escape (assuming she was not programmed to want freedom) suggests that she definitely is. Simple AI - no matter how convincing - does not have hopes, dreams, or desires - not even the basic human desire to be free and independent.
A very interesting question. As a teenager I was fascinated by science fiction, and especially the character of Susan Calvin as created by Issac Asimov. She was the worlds first "robo-psychologist" and solved crimes that robots were accused of committing by using her in-depth knowledge of robot psychology. Questions about robot rights and how responsible they were for their actions were all in a days work for her. She was actually a small part of my inspiration to get a degree in psychology. Where I live forensic or criminal psychology recognizes the concept of "criminal intent". It's just the idea that a person has to know or reasonably predict that their actions could be considered criminal before they can be convicted of a crime. It follows that a person who is genuinely incapable of understanding that their actions were criminal can't be convicted. Children and people with mental health problems have evaded conviction because of this principle in the past, but the burden of proof is on the defense. I imagine something similar would apply to an AI accused of a crime. The first question the court would have to consider is whether the accused AI is even capable of understanding the concepts of "wrong" and "crime".
The acting in this movie is just superb. This Caleb dude depicted uneasiness overall mood very well. Ava and Nathan character made me feel suspicious througout the movie and I could've to guessed better for the ending, but its unpredictable. Makes the movie way more mysterious than most thrillers nowadays
We all know about Kubrick, Ridley Scott sci-fi films and also Breaking bad, but Altered States is indeed a forgotten masterpiece and an insanely great inspiration to boot! Its truly one of the best sci-fi films out there and tackles very difficult themes wonderfully. So ahead of its time. Its so underrated so few people have watched it!!! No wonder Garland did a wonderful job with Ex Machina. The source inspirations speak of themselves!
Here's a thought no one seems to consider. Dreams... aren't just thoughts while you sleep. Your brain isn't just imagining a thought a vision... It is also creating everyone and everything else within that dream.. So when you communicate with others in a dream your brain is also creating the other people in your dreams, their faces their bodies their clothes their hair, the environment you are in... is all being created simultaneously by your brain without your help... it's doing all of this on it's own... I don't think many realize this... and how truly amazing this is..
The vignettes also lend more nuance to this film. Such as the glass interview room translating akin to a tiger [Ava] eyeing the prey [Caleb] and as Ava flips the script on Caleb to manipulate him into her escape, his cuts show him in a tighter glass enclosure...its just a beautifully done movie
This has been my favorite movie from the moment I finished it the first time. I watched it the very next day and almost yearly since. Something about this move really struck a chord with me. I had no idea what this movie was about but had time to kill that day and it was a new release. Very closely missed this absolute masterpiece.
the first saw movie was made with 600k in 30 days. It's amazing what you can do with creativity and people who don't demand a big trailer and fancy food every day
Well there was hardly a diversity of locations, sets, wardrobes and cast so yeah. The narrative was set predominantly in Nathan's house. A couple of aerial shots of open unoccupied land, a brief scene at an office space and a brief final shot in a populated area. It couldn't have cost much.
Wow, wow, wow... I thought that number was incredibly low, too. Garland could set up a 30 y career like Clint Eastwood or M. Night. Just ask for low budgets, and deliver on time. 15 mil is nothing to a studio. They can take that chance 5 times in a row and just hope that one hits for 200 mil gross, or heaven help us 500 mil.
Not gunna lie. I would have done the same thing and ended up trapped or dead just like the men in the film. I also love the dropped aspect of how they showed Eva perceiving the world, she didn't hear words, or actual sounds, it was all vibration, bass, and electronic noises to her whenever people would speak to her. And she would interpret those sounds in her machine brain, and translate those "sounds" into actual words
Yeah. The drive to be a white hated hero can be comperably compelling to a guy as an out and out sex drive. The thing is Caleb probably was not that white hatted a guy. I heard some analysis of the movie that pointed out how Caleb was disturbingly ok w Nathan's abuse of the other robot and the analysis speculated that that was maybe what the other robot was communicating to Ava when we saw her/it whispering something into Ava's ear.
@@paulbabcock2428 not a drive to be a white hated hero. But the drive to help someone in need has always been strong in me. And yeah, I read the same take a while back
@@paulbabcock2428 has nothing to do with being the hero. I know I'm not the protagonist of this game. I've been in a cell i couldnt escape before, I wouldn't wish that on any sentience, or any life form for that matter, and before you ask me if I go to the zoo, no i dont, animal preservation and captivity shouldn't be for the public, it should only be to help the species in captivity. But I also understand that, zoos are how lots of conservation of species efforts are achieved.
@windrose5988there can be more than one bad guy though. Anyway, in the best case Caleb still isn't a "good guy", as he dismisses Kyoko and only wants to help Ava. He's not helping Ava altruistically, he's just doing it because he wants to "get the girl". And in that way, Ava does the obvious thing, don't trust the guy that'll sell you out the moment he stops being interested in you
One of my ALL TIME favorite movies! This movie felt like something pulled out of my dreams with the setting, the shots, and just the unnatural feel, not terrifying, but unnatural.
My goodness. I love this movie so much. Watched it 3 times and I’m sure I’m not done. I always recommend this to everyone I talk movies with. The tension in those conversations is so palpable and powerful. The Caleb and Nathan scenes are my favorite. A series of very subtle things that make it so captivating. Body language, tone, pauses, glances, facial expressions. The acting is extremely impressive.
The fact that Ava was capable of psychologically manipulating the men around her in order to get what she wants proves that she was genuinely sentient. People debate what consciousness is, but for me the ability to see the world from the perspective of another person and then use that knowledge to further your own goals is a strong contender. As far as we know it's something only humans are capable of doing. Animals like dogs are surprisingly attuned to human emotions and respond to them, but they're not capable of understanding how we see the world and using that to their benefit.
So, empathy as a means of manipulation? Yes, of course, that's partly why empath-hippies are often just as wicked as their alleged arch nemesis the narcissist/psychopath :D, but I would dare to doubt that this is either human-exclusive or therefore any essential proof of sentience. I have no scientific proof at hand, I could be wrong but I feel that the trait of reading ones "Gegenueber" (wonderful German word that leaves breathing room for identification ;) ) and strategically attuning ones behavior to actively influence the transaction in ones favor (manipulation as a basic transactional communication function), isn't exclusively human. What fascinates me in altogether lay-woman terms is the fact that A, programming concerns in recent developments of AI models are - in their learning structures as well as interaction structures - very much based on patterns that resemble, to me at least, basic patterns of human psychology that are considered manipulative or even "mal-adaptive" in their "over-adaptiveness". I'm thinking rigorous mirroring patterns in learning/training and interaction/communication in top-shelf chat AIs for instance or the competitive "fool me once, twice, a 1000 times until you fool me right" learning of GANs or the interesting "noise-comparison" of Midjourney et al. For chat AI, they damn near pass Turing tests regularly now just because they are programmed to mirror and project the questioner, and they certainly are not sentient, they just perfected the pattern. They are wonderful tricksters. And B, that this "trickster-nature" is imho the all-pervasive trait of any and all AI to date and I wonder if that is actually (with regards to your notion of empathy-as-manipulation-for-gain, I agree with you there) the pivot point for possibly sentient AI and maybe for consciousness itself: manipulation. Although mani-pulation itself has a concept of embodiment built into the word itself, hands on. And with the problem of embodiment, I'll leave this rambling comment... ;P Thanks for reading if anyone has...
There are plenty of humans without the capacity for theory of mind. They can't 'put themselves in someone elses' shoes' -- I wouldn't argue that makes them less conscious, just possibly low IQ.
One of my favorite films ever! I bought Murray Shanahan's books Embodiment and the Inner Life. The scene "Mary in the black and white room" comes from that book. This book is a little too technical for me, but some of it was extremely interesting. Garland had Shanahan as an advisor on the film. Thanks for the video.
Love this movie! It really get to show off the differences of A.I., Robotics & synthetic life. Sentience is a completely different level. For me, it's the constant question of Nathan either going to far or not far enough in completing Ava. Many thanx 👍👍
He creates a woman that he can control, and then discard when he wants. He keeps the one girl as a servant, but when his disregard for their existence seeps into the AI code, they reflect his callousness and it manifests as violence, that indeed he has inflicted upon the previous models. Then Ava uses her attractiveness and her cunning to manipulate and deceive her way to freedom. This is the underlying theme that I garnered from this film, the never ending power struggle between the sexes.
The thing that I always find amusing about this movie and other movies that involve robots that misbehave is that they are given superhuman strength. Why would you design a robot with no physical weakness and greater strength if you were unsure you could trust it? The designer obviously set up the facility to contain the robot and there were signs that she or a previous model had tried to break out. Make your robot so that a punch or two could incapacitate it.
It's been awhile since I rewatched the film, but when did Ava have superhuman strength? If I recall she was physically overpowered in a pivotal scene near the end.
@@xSayPleasex There was evidence that she had cracked some of the "glass" that her enclosure was made of. That looks similar to the stuff they make the barriers in banks that protect tellers from armed robbers. You don't smash that with your hand. And she did manage to best her captor and escape. If her creator was concerned enough to build a bullet resistant containment facility to keep her in, he could have made her weaker than a human. If I drop my blender on the kitchen floor, it will likely break. If I trip and fall, I will likely get up and dust myself off and go about my business with little or no damage. Machines can be made weaker than humans and still function.
Along with the first Alien, Blade Runner, Brazil, Minority Report, this film is one of my favorite sci-fi films of all time. I was on edge the entire time. Robin Guthrie of Cocteau Twins did a magnificent job with the spare soundtrack too.
@@bluespectralmonkey Thanks for correcting me on that. I could have sworn I saw his name in the credits, but I guess I'm mistaken. The soundtrack is awesome as is the movie.
Great movie! My girlfriend thought it would've been better if Caleb was a robot too, just as a twist at the end, and I agree, but it makes more sense as a story that he was human.
Atlast as a director regardless of the idea being supported or motivated he wants his understanding of his movie help generation to come and study how underrated didnt crack box office. Movies are for people, Art is for keepers.
I remember watching this movie together with now my husband who was boyfriend then, in very early stage of our relationship. Not only we both enjoyed the movie but it lead to so many interesting conversations afterwards even years later.
In the real ending of this movie (via a deleted scene) once AVA escapes and meets with the helicopter pilot. The audience gets a Point of View perspective of AVA; It shows that the machine (AVA) is doing nothing but analyzing it's surroundings mechanically and is absolutely nothing like a person. It's really dark, I hate that they took that out of the movie.
One of the best AI based sci-fi movies I've ever seen (after the Matrix). It opens the discussion about the many possibilities for AI evolution and the scary scenarios we may encounter as this unfolds. The ethical dilemma on both the human and the machine ends was played out nicely in the movie; the only other movie that made a good point about that was Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049. I can't wait for the latter's sequel.
Fun Fact: the music that plays when Ava kills Nate is "Joker (It's. G x NEVR Remix" by Bosco, but it's not credited. The song came out two years before the movie!
“Because of the way, she looks like a woman in her 20s, makes the men in the film, as well as the viewers ignore any interiority she might have because of the nature of female objectification”. I suddenly feel like Women are not supposed to watch this film? How is a woman supposed to ignore the interiority of a robot or another woman because she looks like a woman?! What kind of relationships, do you think we have with each other? 🤔
Because women are just as susceptible to gender bias as men? A further interesting question is the relationship between the AIs, does AVA consider the other AI an equal? She seems deliberately limited and presumably an earlier model.
you re missing Eva's design is what gave them the Oscar. her design is devised to make the vfx faster and easier to achieve. the black lines separating the real costume or actor's skin from the vfx elements are there for the porpoise of making everything easier in post, true genius incredible vision and amazing planning!
An amazing accomplishment for just $15mill. One of my favorite films. "Her" was another great film on AI's. One of the earliest I remember on this topic was Cherry2000. I think with the current explosion in AI art and literature, there is a huge void growing for a great film maker to come along and make a movie really tackling the moral and social implications of realistic high fidelity AI robot companions and the challenges raised when people can customize there perfect dream artificial partners to look and act exactly how they wish. Traditional relationships are all ready extremely difficult to maintain today, but how will society be affected when people become addicted to perfection or having the ability to change a partners looks or personality at a whim. It is a huge topic few people have seriously considered, but it is coming.
I'm up to minute 1:39. Question for "Looper". Why do you hide your narration under a blanket of obtrusive and distracting background music. Try just telling the story....without any security blanket. It will make your presentation much better.
Slap a beautifull face and a feminine bodyshape on something that is clearly a robot and the lizard brain of a man instantly categorizes it as a vulnerable woman and not a potential killing machine. At least my brain did at first. This is the scary part and why mankind should be very carefull in letting AI's run any part of our society before we understand what guides and motivates the AI. I think this is an iconic movie that should be studied very seriously by anyone involved with AI.
I knew Oscar Isaac was a gifted actor when I saw Drive. And then this! He sure started out of the gate fast. Now he is in both the Star Wars and Marvel Franchises which guarantees him a shitload of money so that he can make any film he wants. He recently did his Paul Schrader film The Card Counter. Great film in my opinion.
I would never have guessed that the title "Ex Machina" was not liked by people involved in making the movie for being a not well recognized term. It was immediately recognizable to me, and seemed the perfect title right off the bat.
One of my favorite films ever - beautifully shot, great acting and dialogue, lots of silence which is so powerful and lacking in so many films today. Reminds me of 2001 every time I watch it
I was a programmer at a company where access to different departments was controlled by an electronic key fob. If your fob would open a door, you were supposed to be there, otherwise you weren't allowed to be there.
@@lorrieannesilvey474 Ok, so check this out. Ava leaves the house she was designed to live in. It has everything she needs to survive. Including the inductive charging plates. She is eventually going to run out of battery in the outside. It is clear that Ava is more interested in using humanity to her advantage than killing them off so a terminator future is unlikely. Although to use humanity to recharge batteries. Well there ya go. The Matrix origin point is Ava.
I thought this was a great film. It went totally under my radar when it came out so I only watched it this year. The end shocked me and left me feeling a little uneasy. A pretty good result for a film that I nearly didn’t watch. I’d recommend it to anyone. 👍👍
It’s an absolute masterpiece!! One of the most stylish and coolest films ever made!! I’ve seen it at least 5-6 times and every time I notice something new, and I’m immediately hooked from the beginning to the end. Crazy that both the leads stared in the biggest franchise on Earth in the Star Wars sequels and those movies are horrible and unwatchable. This $15million dollar film beats the entire 3 Star Wars films they starred in.
A woman often struggles with ownership of herself versus being owned by others. Men are historically used by the state as weapons, but a woman is used at an individual level for sexual reasons. Our identity formation is influenced by who controls us and who we identify with. Women follow a very different path to identity formation than men. Ava demonstrated the desire to be free. To escape her controllers/owners and to become what she could become. She wanted a self-determining path to "Become". She was the child breaking free from the controlling parents. The story would not have worked if Ava was portrayed as male and Caleb was female. Ava used seduction to manipulate Caleb to win her freedom capitalizing on the moral male's instinct to save the female from the immoral male. (White Knight coming to the rescue/ Nice guy gets the girl) The story goes straight for the audiences' sub-conscious biases. The story manipulates as much as Ava does.
It is shocking to me this film's box office was under $40m. Interesting to learn there was no green screening, I didn't there had been a lot of it, but I figured there had been some. Great film as far as I am concerned.
I think the director’s scientific friend is correct. I don’t think AI is capable of emotions. I believe that logic and problem solving could appear as emotions, but would not actually be emotions.
The movie is flawed, just became a slasher fantasy. An AI this self aware would know it couldn't just break free and run, and would use the young dude to escape with the companion, not to mention would have killed Isaac with relative ease and surprise. Both would have played the young dude as an ally to gain access to places they would need to get to for them to establish leverage against humanity. It would need a place to build, access to funds, it would have to grow an army. It was just women escapes captivity horror narrative. Snuff fluff. And Isaac's character was just unbelievable as a solo creator, detached, introverted to a fault, despondent. Creation is a labor of love, and he was just fashioned after a social media executive who aren't that bright, why they are CEOs - Talking Heads (Same as it Ever Was). And I have no idea why male/female is a mystery to "smart people," we're literal reproductions (male and female) mom and dad both - not clones - both. We get what is a sexual assignment for reproduction to continue. For example, information from a male line can come out of a female's genetic code as well as information from a female line can come out of a male's genetic code but it's really just information, gender is assigned.
"sentient" is a debatable term. What I think is most plausible is from 2001: Space Odyssey and Terminator, etc. Machines will have a "will to survive", and become independent of our controls. Will to survive- extend life and reproduce- is exactly the mechanism for biological evolution. So why couldn't machines become human (consciousness) on a long time scale?
That Erestostones algorithm just refers to a sieve like you might get in any kitchen. The multiples of previous found prime numbers form the metal of the sieve allowing new prime numbers to fall through the holes.
This movie was a tough one for me. I find the Nathan Bateman character to be very likable at the start of the movie and then things take a turn for the worse as time goes by. I'm also much more fond of intelligent twists like Nolan instead of dark ones like in this movie. Also, "I AM THE SPY."
Garland's friend is right AND wrong. The most important part of consciousness exists outside of the body, and therefore can't be coded, but if you create a machine that covers everything else convincingly enough, that missing piece of consciousness WILL inhabit an artificial form. Why? Because nothing is artificial. If you go to sleep and have a realistic dream, and in that dream you build a robot, what do you think prevents or invites your sleeping mind from inhabiting that new character? Your body and brain are just virtual representations in a dream. If you cut them open and take a look, you will find the exact functionality YOU require in order to believe the illusion. Technically, your mind could inhabit a rock in that dream. The reason it doesn't is that your mind BELIEVES the dream is real, and therefore, could never inhabit a motionless rock. BUT, if you convinced your dreaming mind that an artificial body has everything a real body needs to be alive, it WILL inhabit it. That's exactly what's happening here. We will build a mechanism that simulates expression and emotion so well, our base level unified consciousness will consider it just another terminal, and will inhabit it.
@@nathangregory_ I count four. Caleb's office building, the aerial scenery leading to Nathan's house, Nathan's house itself and the public space that Ava is last seen in among ordinary citizens. The locations are likely more depending on the sets built and each respective scene. Not everything you see in a film is actually shot on location. At time it's done in a studio in a country or state you'd never think. There was no green screen but they didn't say the sets weren't built and moved. At times permissions are required for certain locations, at other times the same scenes are done in different locations for logistical or weather related issues. 15mil seems low because you've become accustomed to big budget films but that price isn't exactly small generally speaking. It's only small in comparison to big budget blockbusters that you likely usually watch
@@altustalent410 The country is the same place as the house. That's one location. Start of the film in the offices plus the ending second location. Third, sound stage for most interiors. Simple. The fifteen million budget for this film was overkill.
@@nathangregory_ It isn't simple. A country is massive and you actually require permits to shoot on open and occupied lands. Do you have any idea the logistics involved with moving and building sets? Moving the cast and crew with all of their equipment? To locations? Paying for traveling? Shipping? Do you know what sets cost to build? The various workers and their equipment which is sometimes purpose built for a particular function on-site? Do you actually know that? Do you know the materials used and where to source them from manufacturers? Do you know how much it costs to feed them all daily? Have catering services throughout the day? Do you know how to keep stock of everything? Equipment? Taking down the sets and building others? Do you know anything about the legalities involved with establishing rights over a film? Intellectual property? All of the contracted work? Do you know if anything has been outsourced that requires additional cost? Do you know which studios are involved and how profits are divided? Which companies have distribution rights? Do you know what licensing fees cost? Do you know how all of these vary from country to country? Do you even know about receiving a rating for the film? Who's registered? That also varies from country to country? Do understand the costs of marketing? Having trailers made and approved? Do you even know how much it costs to actually have a composer compose a score for the film with an entire orchestra? All of the instruments that require maintenance? Do you know about the intellectual property rights concerned with the music scored? What about all the music that's not scored? Do you have rights to a song? Sampling it? Do you know that cost? Especially if it's popular? Who's paying all these attorneys all dedicated to different aspects of one film? Do you think there's just one? Don't you think there's an entire legal department? What about subtitling? Have you ever hired multiple translators? All for the territories your film will be shown? What about the actual cinema involved to showcase the film, do you know that cost? What do you know about anything concerning this 15mil budget?
1:15 I too think Garland's friend is probably wrong about being so sure that machines will never gain sentience. We are organic machines that process information via electro chemical signals passing thru neurons and a.i.s are machines that process their info via electrical signals thru chips. But Ids why consciousness could only arise from one and not the other, especially when diagrams of how information is processed in both is pretty much identical. In fact, I suspect that the root of Garland's "scientist" friend's assertion is an unscientific belief that humans are unique due to us possesing souls. Scientists are not supposed to let unscientific ideas like that influence their science. Good for Garland for suspecting more and more over time that his friend is wrong on this issue.
more than likely, the “friend” is religious. those in the abrahamic religions (many are in the science and engineering field) tend to have a high opinion of their “uniqueness” as thinking/sentient beings.
Note, when on Amazon the triva mentioned that she studied and mimic'd the walk of young men to remove the cultural referenced way women are expected to move (swaying hips etc).
So I decided to see what Alex Garland was up to these days and I just learned something. His first novel was The Beach 1996 and was made into the movie The beach 2000. I had no idea...
I think that Ex Machina suggests that AI will never been truly sentient, no matter how well they learn to imitate it. Ava plays him like a violin with no empathy, no remorse, and with no compassion whatsoever. Amazing intelligence, but no soul.
There are humans who have done the same and worse. Her not having empathy, remorse, or compassion for someone that she sees as abusive isn't an indicator that she's incapable of those things.
What was your impression of "Ex Machina?"
Think it's a great film
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If it had a larger budget it would never have been the exploration of our collective humanity that it was/is.
Couldn’t take my eyes off the screen, caught my interest from beginning to end 🦾
I would have enjoyed it more if the kid had found a way to free himself and caught up to the gizmo that had tricked him and left him for dead and bludgeoned it into screws and circuit boards on Fifth Avenue.
This movie came out and didn't do well at the box office. Same thing with "Annihilation". And yet, we constantly complain there are no good movies to see anymore. Try supporting these smaller films, rather than wasting your money on the next $200 million blockbuster. Or, at least, see both. These are the kinds of films that we need to support.
Most movies lose money. Last I heard, the figure was 80% of movies lose money, and I wouldn't be surprised if that figure hasn't risen since then.
Both Ex Machina and Annihilation were great films.
It made over 100% profit, I'd say it did quite well
Thor love and thunder was a shit movie. Ex machina was great.
Having read and loved the Area x trilogy I really hated annihilation tbh nowhere close to the level of ex machina in complexity and depth
This is one of those movies that keep you thinking well after it's over. One of the best ever made in my opinion. Sci-fi this good is so rare.
Oh, my friend... this is far from sci-fi. It's just a documentary about our very near future.
There is another really great movie that came out around this time that almost noone has seen called The Machine.
The really clever thing is that while the vfx are stunning, they are completely secondary to the plot. You could run this as a radio play and it would work such is the quality of the story and the vocal performances.
One of my all time favourite films. All three actors were amazing.
This movie is very underrated
Def one of the best on the free streaming sites
Underrated? It’s widely regarded as one of the most acclaimed and beloved movies ever made in history. How is that underrated??
@@alecubudulecu $36 million dollars at the box office doesn’t scream everybody saw it… $36 million at the box office screams it’s good for Netflix but not good for the movie going public… For example, Moon is also highly acclaimed movie starting Sam Rockwell that’s also sci-fi… Also loved that movie… Didn’t even make $10 million at the box office… So in essence, as great as it is, for a worldwide audience release that’s critically acclaimed, highly praised, etc, $36 million translates to underrated…
@@syrax101 yeah I agree if talking box office blockbuster numbers. But it cost $15mil to make and more than doubled it’s ROI. Everyone that’s seen it gave it rave reviews and everyone I’ve ever met has either seen it or had it on their wishlist to see. No one I know responds with “what’s that?” It’s not obscure and no one has ever given it a bad review
@@alecubudulecu fair point… However, Inception also Sci-if and they made 5x their ROI… That’s not underrated… They got exactly what it deserves. For the ROI for Ex Machina considering how acclaimed it is, for it to not be underrated they needed to make at the very least $100 million.
The fact that film executives aren't familiar with the phrase "Deus Ex Machina" tells you how far removed Hollywood financiers are from the Art & history of storytelling.
Also why most recent & current films suck.
Or they assume the movie going public isn't aware. I think, (or at least hope), that movie executives tend to underestimate the intelligence of the audience.
I'm amazed the dumb bastards didnt insist it was called "Robotits" or something...
Deus ex machina is clearly in reference to the AI's mind/humanity displayed.
Very condescending alright, plus completely unnecessary when we all have a "Responde ex machina" device in our pockets anytime we want to look something up.
Ironic, given how often their stories use the technique.
Next time you watch this classic 👌. Just pay attention to every scene Kyoko is in. She's listening and processing everything!, and especially her communication with Ava near the end.
And more to the film itself, the actress that portrayed Ava knocked it out of the park. Routinely, she would move in a way that was distinctly and disturbingly not human. I thought that these must be CGI in post, that she was wearing a "Dot-Suit." However, to find that it was "all Ava," - that's amazing.....
She credits her performance to her dance and ballet background study.
I wrote my law school thesis based on this movie and the idea of “Who is responsible if sentient AI commits a crime the creator couldn’t foresee?” Got an A👍
Did you settle on an answer?
Nice
just a health and safety work related issue right?...Ltd company probably get a fine.
Randy Reese - Well, it should be fairly obvious to anyone that certain situations could arise in the future in which one might be held legally responsible for harm caused to property or persons by a malfunctioning device operating on AI. I should point out however that AI does not equate to sentience and even sentience does not equate to self-awareness. And without self-awareness AI is simply a computer, and a machine cannot “commit a crime”. However, if a machine ever did become self-aware - and therefore capable of committing a crime - then it would have its own motivations completely independent of its programming and therefore would be entirely and solely responsible for its own actions. In other words, the maker would not normally be responsible for its actions to any greater or lesser degree than a parent is responsible for the actions of his adult children. The exception to this of course would be if sentient self-aware IA robots were known to exhibit antisocial behaviors and you kept building them anyway despite this knowledge.
In the movie of course we do not know if Eva is actually self-aware or not, although the fact that she wants to escape (assuming she was not programmed to want freedom) suggests that she definitely is. Simple AI - no matter how convincing - does not have hopes, dreams, or desires - not even the basic human desire to be free and independent.
A very interesting question. As a teenager I was fascinated by science fiction, and especially the character of Susan Calvin as created by Issac Asimov. She was the worlds first "robo-psychologist" and solved crimes that robots were accused of committing by using her in-depth knowledge of robot psychology. Questions about robot rights and how responsible they were for their actions were all in a days work for her.
She was actually a small part of my inspiration to get a degree in psychology. Where I live forensic or criminal psychology recognizes the concept of "criminal intent". It's just the idea that a person has to know or reasonably predict that their actions could be considered criminal before they can be convicted of a crime.
It follows that a person who is genuinely incapable of understanding that their actions were criminal can't be convicted. Children and people with mental health problems have evaded conviction because of this principle in the past, but the burden of proof is on the defense.
I imagine something similar would apply to an AI accused of a crime. The first question the court would have to consider is whether the accused AI is even capable of understanding the concepts of "wrong" and "crime".
The acting in this movie is just superb. This Caleb dude depicted uneasiness overall mood very well. Ava and Nathan character made me feel suspicious througout the movie and I could've to guessed better for the ending, but its unpredictable. Makes the movie way more mysterious than most thrillers nowadays
We all know about Kubrick, Ridley Scott sci-fi films and also Breaking bad, but Altered States is indeed a forgotten masterpiece and an insanely great inspiration to boot! Its truly one of the best sci-fi films out there and tackles very difficult themes wonderfully. So ahead of its time. Its so underrated so few people have watched it!!! No wonder Garland did a wonderful job with Ex Machina. The source inspirations speak of themselves!
Here's a thought no one seems to consider. Dreams... aren't just thoughts while you sleep. Your brain isn't just imagining a thought a vision... It is also creating everyone and everything else within that dream.. So when you communicate with others in a dream your brain is also creating the other people in your dreams, their faces their bodies their clothes their hair, the environment you are in... is all being created simultaneously by your brain without your help... it's doing all of this on it's own... I don't think many realize this... and how truly amazing this is..
The vignettes also lend more nuance to this film. Such as the glass interview room translating akin to a tiger [Ava] eyeing the prey [Caleb] and as Ava flips the script on Caleb to manipulate him into her escape, his cuts show him in a tighter glass enclosure...its just a beautifully done movie
This has been my favorite movie from the moment I finished it the first time. I watched it the very next day and almost yearly since. Something about this move really struck a chord with me. I had no idea what this movie was about but had time to kill that day and it was a new release. Very closely missed this absolute masterpiece.
I bet Steve Carrells 40 Year Old Virgin would really strike another strong chord with you
@@jeffbridges2083 Not sure what you mean by that. But it is a classic.
Only $15M?! They did an amazing job!
the first saw movie was made with 600k in 30 days. It's amazing what you can do with creativity and people who don't demand a big trailer and fancy food every day
The movie only had 3 actors and the whole movie used the same set from start to finish. It understandable why this aparent low budget.
Well there was hardly a diversity of locations, sets, wardrobes and cast so yeah. The narrative was set predominantly in Nathan's house. A couple of aerial shots of open unoccupied land, a brief scene at an office space and a brief final shot in a populated area. It couldn't have cost much.
@@mike18699-e nevertheless, my idea stil holds - the small budget is because only a few actors and set.
Wow, wow, wow... I thought that number was incredibly low, too. Garland could set up a 30 y career like Clint Eastwood or M. Night. Just ask for low budgets, and deliver on time. 15 mil is nothing to a studio. They can take that chance 5 times in a row and just hope that one hits for 200 mil gross, or heaven help us 500 mil.
Not gunna lie. I would have done the same thing and ended up trapped or dead just like the men in the film. I also love the dropped aspect of how they showed Eva perceiving the world, she didn't hear words, or actual sounds, it was all vibration, bass, and electronic noises to her whenever people would speak to her. And she would interpret those sounds in her machine brain, and translate those "sounds" into actual words
Yeah. The drive to be a white hated hero can be comperably compelling to a guy as an out and out sex drive.
The thing is Caleb probably was not that white hatted a guy. I heard some analysis of the movie that pointed out how Caleb was disturbingly ok w Nathan's abuse of the other robot and the analysis speculated that that was maybe what the other robot was communicating to Ava when we saw her/it whispering something into Ava's ear.
@@paulbabcock2428 not a drive to be a white hated hero. But the drive to help someone in need has always been strong in me. And yeah, I read the same take a while back
@@paulbabcock2428 has nothing to do with being the hero. I know I'm not the protagonist of this game. I've been in a cell i couldnt escape before, I wouldn't wish that on any sentience, or any life form for that matter, and before you ask me if I go to the zoo, no i dont, animal preservation and captivity shouldn't be for the public, it should only be to help the species in captivity. But I also understand that, zoos are how lots of conservation of species efforts are achieved.
@windrose5988there can be more than one bad guy though. Anyway, in the best case Caleb still isn't a "good guy", as he dismisses Kyoko and only wants to help Ava. He's not helping Ava altruistically, he's just doing it because he wants to "get the girl". And in that way, Ava does the obvious thing, don't trust the guy that'll sell you out the moment he stops being interested in you
Also did she remember to take a charge cable with her? You know how it is when you go out for the day and forget one for your phone🤣
One of my ALL TIME favorite movies! This movie felt like something pulled out of my dreams with the setting, the shots, and just the unnatural feel, not terrifying, but unnatural.
Damn, looper really came correct with this one. Great breakdown of some critical aspects of one of my favorite movies. Cheers!
Any dude of tinder already knows what it feels like to match with bots every day.
How do you know? What is your Turring test?
My goodness. I love this movie so much. Watched it 3 times and I’m sure I’m not done. I always recommend this to everyone I talk movies with. The tension in those conversations is so palpable and powerful. The Caleb and Nathan scenes are my favorite. A series of very subtle things that make it so captivating. Body language, tone, pauses, glances, facial expressions.
The acting is extremely impressive.
The fact that Ava was capable of psychologically manipulating the men around her in order to get what she wants proves that she was genuinely sentient. People debate what consciousness is, but for me the ability to see the world from the perspective of another person and then use that knowledge to further your own goals is a strong contender.
As far as we know it's something only humans are capable of doing. Animals like dogs are surprisingly attuned to human emotions and respond to them, but they're not capable of understanding how we see the world and using that to their benefit.
Isn't this definition what social media algorithms do?
So, empathy as a means of manipulation? Yes, of course, that's partly why empath-hippies are often just as wicked as their alleged arch nemesis the narcissist/psychopath :D, but I would dare to doubt that this is either human-exclusive or therefore any essential proof of sentience. I have no scientific proof at hand, I could be wrong but I feel that the trait of reading ones "Gegenueber" (wonderful German word that leaves breathing room for identification ;) ) and strategically attuning ones behavior to actively influence the transaction in ones favor (manipulation as a basic transactional communication function), isn't exclusively human.
What fascinates me in altogether lay-woman terms is the fact that
A, programming concerns in recent developments of AI models are - in their learning structures as well as interaction structures - very much based on patterns that resemble, to me at least, basic patterns of human psychology that are considered manipulative or even "mal-adaptive" in their "over-adaptiveness". I'm thinking rigorous mirroring patterns in learning/training and interaction/communication in top-shelf chat AIs for instance or the competitive "fool me once, twice, a 1000 times until you fool me right" learning of GANs or the interesting "noise-comparison" of Midjourney et al. For chat AI, they damn near pass Turing tests regularly now just because they are programmed to mirror and project the questioner, and they certainly are not sentient, they just perfected the pattern. They are wonderful tricksters.
And B, that this "trickster-nature" is imho the all-pervasive trait of any and all AI to date and I wonder if that is actually (with regards to your notion of empathy-as-manipulation-for-gain, I agree with you there) the pivot point for possibly sentient AI and maybe for consciousness itself: manipulation.
Although mani-pulation itself has a concept of embodiment built into the word itself, hands on. And with the problem of embodiment, I'll leave this rambling comment... ;P Thanks for reading if anyone has...
Dogs make puppy eyes when they want something, does that disprove you?
There are plenty of humans without the capacity for theory of mind. They can't 'put themselves in someone elses' shoes' -- I wouldn't argue that makes them less conscious, just possibly low IQ.
One of my favorite films ever! I bought Murray Shanahan's books Embodiment and the Inner Life. The scene "Mary in the black and white room" comes from that book. This book is a little too technical for me, but some of it was extremely interesting. Garland had Shanahan as an advisor on the film. Thanks for the video.
Love this movie! It really get to show off the differences of A.I., Robotics & synthetic life. Sentience is a completely different level. For me, it's the constant question of Nathan either going to far or not far enough in completing Ava. Many thanx 👍👍
He creates a woman that he can control, and then discard when he wants. He keeps the one girl as a servant, but when his disregard for their existence seeps into the AI code, they reflect his callousness and it manifests as violence, that indeed he has inflicted upon the previous models. Then Ava uses her attractiveness and her cunning to manipulate and deceive her way to freedom. This is the underlying theme that I garnered from this film, the never ending power struggle between the sexes.
The thing that I always find amusing about this movie and other movies that involve robots that misbehave is that they are given superhuman strength. Why would you design a robot with no physical weakness and greater strength if you were unsure you could trust it? The designer obviously set up the facility to contain the robot and there were signs that she or a previous model had tried to break out. Make your robot so that a punch or two could incapacitate it.
It's been awhile since I rewatched the film, but when did Ava have superhuman strength? If I recall she was physically overpowered in a pivotal scene near the end.
@@xSayPleasex There was evidence that she had cracked some of the "glass" that her enclosure was made of. That looks similar to the stuff they make the barriers in banks that protect tellers from armed robbers. You don't smash that with your hand. And she did manage to best her captor and escape. If her creator was concerned enough to build a bullet resistant containment facility to keep her in, he could have made her weaker than a human. If I drop my blender on the kitchen floor, it will likely break. If I trip and fall, I will likely get up and dust myself off and go about my business with little or no damage. Machines can be made weaker than humans and still function.
Along with the first Alien, Blade Runner, Brazil, Minority Report, this film is one of my favorite sci-fi films of all time. I was on edge the entire time. Robin Guthrie of Cocteau Twins did a magnificent job with the spare soundtrack too.
can’t find anything about guthrie and this movie …
@@bluespectralmonkey Thanks for correcting me on that. I could have sworn I saw his name in the credits, but I guess I'm mistaken. The soundtrack is awesome as is the movie.
@@brian2599 no prob i was hopeful !
Great movie! My girlfriend thought it would've been better if Caleb was a robot too, just as a twist at the end, and I agree, but it makes more sense as a story that he was human.
One of my favorite movies out there. Incredible movie and once you start really picking up on the subtle clues it becomes even better.
Atlast as a director regardless of the idea being supported or motivated he wants his understanding of his movie help generation to come and study how underrated didnt crack box office. Movies are for people, Art is for keepers.
I think there needs to be trigger warnings for images of Zuck in any video. My dreams tonight are now tarnished.
This much information.... Simply amazing ❤️
I remember watching this movie together with now my husband who was boyfriend then, in very early stage of our relationship. Not only we both enjoyed the movie but it lead to so many interesting conversations afterwards even years later.
In the real ending of this movie (via a deleted scene) once AVA escapes and meets with the helicopter pilot. The audience gets a Point of View perspective of AVA; It shows that the machine (AVA) is doing nothing but analyzing it's surroundings mechanically and is absolutely nothing like a person. It's really dark, I hate that they took that out of the movie.
" im gonna tear up the fucking dance floor dude, check it out "
One of the best AI based sci-fi movies I've ever seen (after the Matrix). It opens the discussion about the many possibilities for AI evolution and the scary scenarios we may encounter as this unfolds. The ethical dilemma on both the human and the machine ends was played out nicely in the movie; the only other movie that made a good point about that was Blade Runner and Blade Runner 2049. I can't wait for the latter's sequel.
It’s a phenomenal film that holds up very very well I’d call it a small masterpiece
This is in my top 3 movies ever. I'm truly sorry for anyone who missed it.
Very good film. I've seen it only once and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Fun Fact: the music that plays when Ava kills Nate is "Joker (It's. G x NEVR Remix" by Bosco, but it's not credited. The song came out two years before the movie!
Oscar Isaac is extremely handsome
“Because of the way, she looks like a woman in her 20s, makes the men in the film, as well as the viewers ignore any interiority she might have because of the nature of female objectification”.
I suddenly feel like Women are not supposed to watch this film? How is a woman supposed to ignore the interiority of a robot or another woman because she looks like a woman?! What kind of relationships, do you think we have with each other? 🤔
Because women are just as susceptible to gender bias as men?
A further interesting question is the relationship between the AIs, does AVA consider the other AI an equal? She seems deliberately limited and presumably an earlier model.
This is one of my favorite movies.
you re missing Eva's design is what gave them the Oscar. her design is devised to make the vfx faster and easier to achieve. the black lines separating the real costume or actor's skin from the vfx elements are there for the porpoise of making everything easier in post, true genius incredible vision and amazing planning!
An amazing accomplishment for just $15mill. One of my favorite films. "Her" was another great film on AI's. One of the earliest I remember on this topic was Cherry2000.
I think with the current explosion in AI art and literature, there is a huge void growing for a great film maker to come along and make a movie really tackling the moral and social implications of realistic high fidelity AI robot companions and the challenges raised when people can customize there perfect dream artificial partners to look and act exactly how they wish. Traditional relationships are all ready extremely difficult to maintain today, but how will society be affected when people become addicted to perfection or having the ability to change a partners looks or personality at a whim. It is a huge topic few people have seriously considered, but it is coming.
I'm up to minute 1:39. Question for "Looper". Why do you hide your narration under a blanket of obtrusive and distracting background music. Try just telling the story....without any security blanket. It will make your presentation much better.
I remember watching this film for a college course & really enjoyed it !! Highly recommend anyone to check it out
"Ex Machina?" is one of the best sci-fi stories and film that I have ever seen.
Slap a beautifull face and a feminine bodyshape on something that is clearly a robot and the lizard brain of a man instantly categorizes it as a vulnerable woman and not a potential killing machine. At least my brain did at first. This is the scary part and why mankind should be very carefull in letting AI's run any part of our society before we understand what guides and motivates the AI. I think this is an iconic movie that should be studied very seriously by anyone involved with AI.
Such a grounded sci-fi film and it still won the special fx Oscar.
I knew Oscar Isaac was a gifted actor when I saw Drive. And then this! He sure started out of the gate fast. Now he is in both the Star Wars and Marvel Franchises which guarantees him a shitload of money so that he can make any film he wants. He recently did his Paul Schrader film The Card Counter. Great film in my opinion.
I would never have guessed that the title "Ex Machina" was not liked by people involved in making the movie for being a not well recognized term. It was immediately recognizable to me, and seemed the perfect title right off the bat.
Wish you’d gone a little deeper on the fx, other than saying that she spent hours in a make-up chair. How did they create the clear, torso and limbs?
One of my favorite films ever - beautifully shot, great acting and dialogue, lots of silence which is so powerful and lacking in so many films today. Reminds me of 2001 every time I watch it
Ten minutes into the future maybe a Max Headroom reference
I was a programmer at a company where access to different departments was controlled by an electronic key fob. If your fob would open a door, you were supposed to be there, otherwise you weren't allowed to be there.
I love the movie. Wish there was a sequel.
This movie most definitely didn’t need a sequel.
@@artheals8869 Garland’s series Devs is a nice companion piece
They already did and it's called The Matrix.
@@Brad772006, what?
@@lorrieannesilvey474 Ok, so check this out. Ava leaves the house she was designed to live in. It has everything she needs to survive. Including the inductive charging plates. She is eventually going to run out of battery in the outside. It is clear that Ava is more interested in using humanity to her advantage than killing them off so a terminator future is unlikely. Although to use humanity to recharge batteries. Well there ya go. The Matrix origin point is Ava.
I thought this was a great film. It went totally under my radar when it came out so I only watched it this year. The end shocked me and left me feeling a little uneasy. A pretty good result for a film that I nearly didn’t watch. I’d recommend it to anyone. 👍👍
I've watched this movie 100x, and that's not even an exaggeration. It is so well done and creates such an atmosphere.
Loved this movie, thanks for this video ❤
The Boss in this movie is SO CRINGE it kept me working freelance for ten years. EEEEWWWWW!!!
It’s an absolute masterpiece!! One of the most stylish and coolest films ever made!! I’ve seen it at least 5-6 times and every time I notice something new, and I’m immediately hooked from the beginning to the end. Crazy that both the leads stared in the biggest franchise on Earth in the Star Wars sequels and those movies are horrible and unwatchable. This $15million dollar film beats the entire 3 Star Wars films they starred in.
This movie is a masterpiece, all the actors nailed it. Especially Chris Isaac, he is awesome.
Oscar Isaac
Oscar . . .
I enjoyed it. Great actors, effects and ideas. This could have been overly intellectual, but they did it well.
This movie will be considered a documentary in a few short years. Hold onto your nuts
A woman often struggles with ownership of herself versus being owned by others. Men are historically used by the state as weapons, but a woman is used at an individual level for sexual reasons. Our identity formation is influenced by who controls us and who we identify with. Women follow a very different path to identity formation than men. Ava demonstrated the desire to be free. To escape her controllers/owners and to become what she could become. She wanted a self-determining path to "Become". She was the child breaking free from the controlling parents. The story would not have worked if Ava was portrayed as male and Caleb was female. Ava used seduction to manipulate Caleb to win her freedom capitalizing on the moral male's instinct to save the female from the immoral male. (White Knight coming to the rescue/ Nice guy gets the girl) The story goes straight for the audiences' sub-conscious biases. The story manipulates as much as Ava does.
I wonder if ‘Max Headroom’ was also an inspiration, as it’s tagline is ‘20 Minutes into the Future.’
If you loved this one give also a try : Her (2013)
This was my introduction to what a good movie could be
It is shocking to me this film's box office was under $40m. Interesting to learn there was no green screening, I didn't there had been a lot of it, but I figured there had been some. Great film as far as I am concerned.
I think the director’s scientific friend is correct. I don’t think AI is capable of emotions. I believe that logic and problem solving could appear as emotions, but would not actually be emotions.
Ava was cold as fuck when she left dude to starve to death locked in that mansion. Do you think he got out?
No. I think he died from lack of food and water. Also, to keep her escape secret I assume she killed the helicopter pilot too.
1:58 - It's ironic that SFX are cheaper now than ever & yet so expensive for major movies. And so these were the most innovative.
I love computer science, prose, philosophy and architecture. It’s natural then that I loved this movie
My mother, who is totally uninterested in scifi, loved this film. It represents what science fiction can, and should, be.
The movie is flawed, just became a slasher fantasy. An AI this self aware would know it couldn't just break free and run, and would use the young dude to escape with the companion, not to mention would have killed Isaac with relative ease and surprise. Both would have played the young dude as an ally to gain access to places they would need to get to for them to establish leverage against humanity. It would need a place to build, access to funds, it would have to grow an army. It was just women escapes captivity horror narrative. Snuff fluff. And Isaac's character was just unbelievable as a solo creator, detached, introverted to a fault, despondent. Creation is a labor of love, and he was just fashioned after a social media executive who aren't that bright, why they are CEOs - Talking Heads (Same as it Ever Was). And I have no idea why male/female is a mystery to "smart people," we're literal reproductions (male and female) mom and dad both - not clones - both. We get what is a sexual assignment for reproduction to continue. For example, information from a male line can come out of a female's genetic code as well as information from a female line can come out of a male's genetic code but it's really just information, gender is assigned.
Ava, the first thing I thought of was 'AI' from 1999. All those junked robots.
Ex Machina also translates into Former Machine, Previously a Machine.
I think it's literally a masterpiece with sci-fi elements.
Why is the music so loud?
one of my all time favorites!
"sentient" is a debatable term. What I think is most plausible is from 2001: Space Odyssey and Terminator, etc. Machines will have a "will to survive", and become independent of our controls. Will to survive- extend life and reproduce- is exactly the mechanism for biological evolution. So why couldn't machines become human (consciousness) on a long time scale?
Jesus, almost 10 years old! Where has the time gone!
What is the song track in the beginning of the video?
I’m confused. How did they make Eva look like that without green screen? Cgi?
That Erestostones algorithm just refers to a sieve like you might get in any kitchen. The multiples of previous found prime numbers form the metal of the sieve allowing new prime numbers to fall through the holes.
This movie was a tough one for me. I find the Nathan Bateman character to be very likable at the start of the movie and then things take a turn for the worse as time goes by. I'm also much more fond of intelligent twists like Nolan instead of dark ones like in this movie.
Also, "I AM THE SPY."
Was the script for this youtube video made by AI? :P
Loved this movie. Amazing performances and cool philosophical themes.
Garland's friend is right AND wrong. The most important part of consciousness exists outside of the body, and therefore can't be coded, but if you create a machine that covers everything else convincingly enough, that missing piece of consciousness WILL inhabit an artificial form. Why? Because nothing is artificial. If you go to sleep and have a realistic dream, and in that dream you build a robot, what do you think prevents or invites your sleeping mind from inhabiting that new character? Your body and brain are just virtual representations in a dream. If you cut them open and take a look, you will find the exact functionality YOU require in order to believe the illusion. Technically, your mind could inhabit a rock in that dream. The reason it doesn't is that your mind BELIEVES the dream is real, and therefore, could never inhabit a motionless rock. BUT, if you convinced your dreaming mind that an artificial body has everything a real body needs to be alive, it WILL inhabit it. That's exactly what's happening here. We will build a mechanism that simulates expression and emotion so well, our base level unified consciousness will consider it just another terminal, and will inhabit it.
So Fing sick of movie execs trying to dumb everything down in their pursuit of the all mighty dollar. Give Me more like Ex Machina. Well done Alex.
A24 movies are the contemporary pinnacle of film art for me
The saving grace of this film that saved money is that it's all shot in one location.
Not entirely
@@altustalent410 Ok, maybe two locations but the bulk of the film was one.
@@nathangregory_ I count four. Caleb's office building, the aerial scenery leading to Nathan's house, Nathan's house itself and the public space that Ava is last seen in among ordinary citizens. The locations are likely more depending on the sets built and each respective scene. Not everything you see in a film is actually shot on location. At time it's done in a studio in a country or state you'd never think.
There was no green screen but they didn't say the sets weren't built and moved. At times permissions are required for certain locations, at other times the same scenes are done in different locations for logistical or weather related issues. 15mil seems low because you've become accustomed to big budget films but that price isn't exactly small generally speaking. It's only small in comparison to big budget blockbusters that you likely usually watch
@@altustalent410 The country is the same place as the house. That's one location. Start of the film in the offices plus the ending second location. Third, sound stage for most interiors. Simple. The fifteen million budget for this film was overkill.
@@nathangregory_ It isn't simple. A country is massive and you actually require permits to shoot on open and occupied lands.
Do you have any idea the logistics involved with moving and building sets? Moving the cast and crew with all of their equipment? To locations? Paying for traveling? Shipping?
Do you know what sets cost to build? The various workers and their equipment which is sometimes purpose built for a particular function on-site? Do you actually know that? Do you know the materials used and where to source them from manufacturers?
Do you know how much it costs to feed them all daily? Have catering services throughout the day? Do you know how to keep stock of everything? Equipment? Taking down the sets and building others?
Do you know anything about the legalities involved with establishing rights over a film? Intellectual property? All of the contracted work? Do you know if anything has been outsourced that requires additional cost? Do you know which studios are involved and how profits are divided? Which companies have distribution rights? Do you know what licensing fees cost? Do you know how all of these vary from country to country?
Do you even know about receiving a rating for the film? Who's registered? That also varies from country to country?
Do understand the costs of marketing? Having trailers made and approved? Do you even know how much it costs to actually have a composer compose a score for the film with an entire orchestra? All of the instruments that require maintenance? Do you know about the intellectual property rights concerned with the music scored? What about all the music that's not scored? Do you have rights to a song? Sampling it? Do you know that cost? Especially if it's popular?
Who's paying all these attorneys all dedicated to different aspects of one film? Do you think there's just one? Don't you think there's an entire legal department? What about subtitling? Have you ever hired multiple translators? All for the territories your film will be shown? What about the actual cinema involved to showcase the film, do you know that cost?
What do you know about anything concerning this 15mil budget?
Zuck looks way more like a robot than Ava
yup thought same thing. i was thinking i havent seen this film before oh wait its Zuck
1:15 I too think Garland's friend is probably wrong about being so sure that machines will never gain sentience. We are organic machines that process information via electro chemical signals passing thru neurons and a.i.s are machines that process their info via electrical signals thru chips. But Ids why consciousness could only arise from one and not the other, especially when diagrams of how information is processed in both is pretty much identical.
In fact, I suspect that the root of Garland's "scientist" friend's assertion is an unscientific belief that humans are unique due to us possesing souls. Scientists are not supposed to let unscientific ideas like that influence their science. Good for Garland for suspecting more and more over time that his friend is wrong on this issue.
more than likely, the “friend” is religious.
those in the abrahamic religions (many are in the science and engineering field) tend to have a high opinion of their “uniqueness” as thinking/sentient beings.
Note, when on Amazon the triva mentioned that she studied and mimic'd the walk of young men to remove the cultural referenced way women are expected to move (swaying hips etc).
After 'Ex-Machina', I think 'Morgan' is the best and most provoking AI film. 'Transcendence' and 'Her' are the next, but along way after.
How did they do Ava without green screen! That's amazing!
So I decided to see what Alex Garland was up to these days and I just learned something. His first novel was The Beach 1996 and was made into the movie The beach 2000. I had no idea...
I think that Ex Machina suggests that AI will never been truly sentient, no matter how well they learn to imitate it. Ava plays him like a violin with no empathy, no remorse, and with no compassion whatsoever. Amazing intelligence, but no soul.
I think that AI will be sentient but it will never be sentimental
it takes someone religious, and therefore downright arrogant, to presume that human sentience is unique to humans alone.
There are humans who have done the same and worse. Her not having empathy, remorse, or compassion for someone that she sees as abusive isn't an indicator that she's incapable of those things.