A Sami Genetic Origins Study Sparks Huge Controversy
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- The Saami people have faced extensive cultural destruction and marginalization over the centuries, primarily due to policies of assimilation and colonization.The use of Saami languages in schools and public life was long forbidden in many countries.This was part of a broader effort to assimilate them into the dominant cultures, their children were often sent to boarding schools where they were prohibited from speaking their native languages.They were often depicted in derogatory terms by the dominant societies, which viewed them as backward or inferior.They have historically been dispossessed of their ancestral lands, which were often taken over by state authorities or settlers.Genetic studies of the Sámi people have significant implications for their rights and cultural preservation.
These studies provide insights into their unique genetic heritage, which can support their claims for recognition as an indigenous people and help safeguard their cultural identity.
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So I listened through most of this and I still have no idea what the controversy is.
their recognition as Indigenous people, the only one in european union and control of their lands, the fact that they inhabited a lot of the lands before the arrival of many people in these regions is not recognised by governments, this study, proves their claim to have arrived and lived there long before others ...
Clickbait video titles are horrible. This video could have been more accurately titled "A Sami Genetic Origins Study Provides New Insight."
@@evoinception all native europeans are indegenous people. Why would'n they be?
@@dbadagna Clickbait titles (equivalent of sensational headlines) are Journalism 101. Only read scholarly reports or get over it.
@@backintimealwyn5736 Some are much more ancient and less mixed than others. Being the first, and longtime only, occupiers of a land seems to give a distinct disadvantage to those indigenous groups of people. If you listen to the video you'll learn than only one of the principle components of the vast majority of modern Europeans was from the indigenous population that replaced the Neanderthals, i.e. the Western Hunter Gatherers and even then, their share is quite small. The main contributors were Middle Eastern Farmers and people from the Steppes, i.e. people that migrated from very far away, some not European at all and the others from the fringes of Eastern Europe. DNA research seems to show that the Sami are a very ancient and unmixed population, and history shows us their disadvantaged and threatened status.
In Finnish and Sami are words that don't go back to Finno-Uralic , hence the idea of 'paleo language X' spoken before the arrival of Finnic and Sami groups in the region.
It's possible, I guess, that those are words taken from Paleoeuropean languages (WHG and SHG genetic populations) which have not survived. However these populations did not generally overlap with the very specific Far North specialized area where most Western Uralics lived in times prehistorical and historical.
There was anyhow a very large interaction area in North and East Europe, as we can infer from the EHG vs SHG (WHG with minor EHG admixture) distribution: the latter spanned from the Black Sea (Dniepr-Don culture in the Neolithic, which was a local development) to Sweden ("frontier" type offshoot, with less but still some agriculture and more focused on hunter-gathering), while the former (EHG, West Uralics) bordered them by the North from the Volga to Norway). The genetic pattern of West Uralics show that they mostly incorporated women from those Paleoeuropeans (patrilocality, retaining thus much more of their Asian Y-DNA N1 than corresponds to the much weaker autosomal and mtDNA genetics), this, according to archaeo-genetics has been going on since the Mesolithic, when the EHG population was itself already strongly admixed with Paleoeuropeans.
Europeid type populations lived in these areas, before arrival of finougric populations.
@@artursbondars7789 - Nope.
@@LuisAldamiz Well it depends on place we think. I'm talking about teritries of moder Baltic states and bordering regions.
@@artursbondars7789 - The Uralics have been in those regions since the early Epipaleolithic: basically the Scandinavian ice sheet (which also occupied Finland and most of the Baltics) melted and the Uralics took over the virgin land. It's probably different in areas like Belarus-Lithuania-Prussia-South Sweden, where the Paleoeuropeans (WHG/SHG) arrived first probably. But in Finland, Norway, North Sweden, Estonia, Latvia, North and East European Russia, the Uralics arrived first for sure.
Those who believe that it is wrong to call the information controversial can read the comment section, so perhaps you will understand that the word is comprehensive. Far too many people still believe that the Sami arrived 3,000 years ago, long after the Norwegians, Swedes and Finns. It's just nonsense. The Sami are descendants of those who migrated up after the ice. It is true that a group immigrated about 3,000 years ago, but this group did not wipe out those who lived in the country before. They settled down and the two people groups merged. Sami language consists of a large proportion of unknown origin. Linguists believe that these are remnants of languages that were spoken in the Paleo-European area. Such remains are also found in Norwegian, but to a much lesser extent. That the Sámi are descendants of the first immigrants is confirmed not only by linguistic findings, but also by archaeological findings - and genetics, as shown in the video.
its very important that the cultural heritage of these people is protected and respected, their language which is one of the most ancient is also getting lost rapidly...thanks
@@evoinception
I know. I lost it myself because my parents (and most other Sea Sami of their generation) wanted to protect us children from the treatment they themselves (and the generations before them) had received. They wanted to spare us the shame of being Sami. They had experienced WW2, forced evacuation and the burning down of the entire county in Northernmost Norway. It is said that the only way they could get financial support to rebuild was by denying us a Sami identity. They were still children when they lived the first winter of peace without a house in an arctic climate.
@@ahkkariq7406 this is truly shocking, that too in European Union of all places, wish you success in your fight
The Sami do not have any male haplogroups that goes back to the original inhabitants. Or they do, but they got those from later geneflow from Swedes and Norwegians. The Sami invaded Scandinavia 2500-1500 years ago and wiped out the previous male population and raped and enslaved their women.
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Please document your claims. Oh, you can't? I have read everything that can be found in older Sami history, and there is no evidence for such a claim. It is pure imagination.
SO cool that we can compare and contrast linguistics with the DNA. Fascinating!
Cool, but not scientific at all if you fail to recognise that language usage can easily change by influence from neighbouring languages, even when there is no demographic change.
I would like to know how we can have any facts at all about any prehistoric languages, let alone how these "facts" are supposedly supported by genetics.
North asian connection already known
The controversy is that somehow only “brown” people or people who don’t have typical northwest European ancestors can be indigenous so the Sami are called Europe’s only indigenous, like everyone one else just spawned in from space.
Your statement is both misleading and incorrect. The term "Indigenous" refers to people who have a long-standing, historical connection to a specific region, predating the arrival of more recent settlers. It has nothing to do with skin color or any specific racial characteristics.
@@evoinception And yet you claimed in another post that the Saami are the only indigenous people in the European Union. Even though they arrived in Europe thousands of years after Western Hunter Gatherers (Western European), Steppe Herders (Eastern European) and Anatolian Farmers (right next to Europe). By any logical standard they are LESS indigenous than their neighbors who have been in Europe far longer. So how could they be the ONLY indigenous Europeans?
@@Liethenthe problem with anyone being able to blablabla their drivel. Ideologues that can't even spot that they're brainwashed.
@@evoinception That sounds like what it should be. But somehow the Sami are "the only indigenous" people in Europe, despite millennia of documentary, architectural and archeological evidence for...well all the Europeans. Why? Why are English, some of whom can trace their ancestry to the Neolithic, not given indigenous status? Furthermore...what's the time cut off? Or the time in place? The Bantu showed up in South Africa after the Europeans, only the Zuni were there already. The Lakota took the black hills and made them sacred in the 1600s, The Comanche didn't rule "Comancheria" until the 19th century when they ethnically cleansed the Apache. So what are the objective standards? At least 1000 years? 5000? Do you get to move all over a continent but as long as its not written down the first to file paperwork?
@@LupinGaius-ls1or I think, it's not the same talking about a whole continent, inhabited by vastly different populations such as Europe compared to a smaller area of rather homogenous groups. The English are neither homogenous by any standard and they are certainly not the first to arrive in Englad.
I don't know why this is so controversial, I thought this was rather well understood by now. Taking archaeology, toponymy, linguistics, and genetics into one comprehensive study shows this time and time again. The history of Finnic, Samic, and North Germanic in Finland has been rather controversial in the past due to certain political ideologies, but I certainly hope most of that controversy has faded away in favour of a more heartfelt view of our country and heritage.
When we stop viewing us as enemies and instead as brothers and sisters we find that the history and development of each group builds a common timeline that lifts up the others. Taken alone we lose some of our truth and sincerity.
you make some good points based on humanity but as per many reports, which are attached in description, the Sami people a facing total cultural destruction, from language to land to their believes ... very sad situation indeed, the only indigenous people of european union being punished for their way of life ...
@@evoinception They have it far better than they've it before, but their culture and their right to preserve their culture (or to develop as they see fit) does face some obstacles. It's also not always taken seriously enough and I do think there still exists some friction between Samic and Finnic in the north of Finland.
It's the fact that their herding, and previously nomadic, culture clashes with the agricultural and sedentary (as in cities and settlements) aspects of Finnic and North Germanic, so they are in a completely different circumstance.
However, I would say that in terms of native minorities they have fared the best in trying to preserve their language and culture, even managing to have some level of self-determination. I wish them the best and have even had an interest in learning Northern Sami to help keep some of their language alive.
My intention wasn't to neglect any issues we have in Finland, we've had our fair share of struggle since the 1100-1300s, and it took until the 1900s (or late 1800s) until Finnic speakers had the right to use their language in government and in education. We're getting there, I guess.
@@evoinception If they are the only indigeneous people of Europe, where does the different European people fit in? Are they not considered indigenous to Europe?
@@Johan_gif you listen to outlets like the BBC then no, Europeans are not indigenous to Europe and have no special claim to it as their Homeland.
What do you mean by "the only indigenous people"? Sounds like propaganda @@evoinception
Look at that: an European study heeding the Nganasan. Usually European studies only treated their daughter-groups, believing them elder. But the Ngasan culture is very similar to the Sami and the Inuit. The Nganasan-daughter-groups are culturally mixed. But they have still to work on their maps: The north-pole must be the center of any map that studies northern genes.
yes, it has indeed provided valuable insights into the genetic and cultural connections between Arctic populations like the Sami and Inuit ...
I think calling the Saami indigenous compared to the Finns, Swedes and Norwegians is a bit much. The Saami's ancestors came from Siberia, and the bulk of the Finns ancestors were from the Steppes and spoke Indo-European languages. Neither the Siberians nor the Indo-European speakers were indigenous. In Europe there were multiple waves of immigrants from the East, each one was indigenous before being replaced as the Europeans formerly known as Cro Magnon were replaced by Western Hunter Gatherers and the WHG were mostly replaced by Anatolian farmers..... it goes on, Finland is no exception.
The term "Indigenous" refers to groups that have long-established historical ties to a particular region before the arrival of more recent populations. The Sami are considered Indigenous to the northern regions of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia because their ancestors have lived in these areas for thousands of years, long before the establishment of modern nation-states and the arrival of other groups like the Finns, Swedes, and Norwegians.
@@evoinceptionIsn’t that true for all Europeans? We all have admixture but our oldest parts have been here for 30.000 years.
Everyone comes from somewhere else. We didn't sprout out of the ground like a turnip
@@Claude_van well then why prevent them from speaking their language, why take away their lands, why force a different way of life on them ?
The only reason the Finns do not enjoy classification "indigenous" is politics and the suppressed glorious history we have had. Geneticly the Finns are a very special indigenous group of people who, it seems, have been all over the world before the Swedes finally got us with the help of Vatican. Our history and old culture has been nearly completely wiped out. In the end the Sami suppousedly helped Swedes to conquer Finland which I could understand to be one reason beneath it all that there has not always been amicable relations between the Sami and the Finns.
The norwegian Goverment was forced to take away their windparks because the ren dyrs were scared and did not waik on their traditionel trails.
The Norwegian gvmt did not allow the saami to speak their language.....
Wish all windparks would be removed - it is a scourge on environment etc
@@Tybold63 still….they produce energy. Can be that you don’t like the sight.
Nuclear power plants take up so much less space 😊
@@Alexsedlex yeah that is my major issue that they are unsightly
My guess is that the ancient Sami and Finns had different economic bases. The Sami economy was based on reindeer herding, and the Finnish on agriculture and cows. Both probably depended heavily on the forest for fuel, building materials and hunting wild game, and gathering mushrooms and herbs. Both groups spread to areas where their particular types of economies would thrive, and over time, one group may have had an economic or technological advantage over the other, but eventually the agriculturalists lifestyle came to be dominant in Finnland except for in the extreme north.
you make some excellent points , thanks
Ancient Sami did not engage in reindeer husbandry. They were hunters and gatherers, and had only a few reindeer that they kept for milk and draft animals. Reindeer herding is not very old. In order to manage to pay taxes to three nations, the Sami were forced to reduce the wild reindeer population too much. There was an insatiable need for furs in Europe. The solution was that the different Sami groupings began to follow different herds, protected them and fed them, and over time the animals came to be considered property.
NO!
Reindeers come 1700 century. It's proved.
@@jakkeledin4645I think us Samis started to herd reindeers around 1600ish AD
Tales of "indigenous" kids not being able to speak their native languages can be heard everywhere the political left consider people to be "indigenous".
That includes my country, New Zealand, where the Maori people arrived about three hundred years before Europeans.
My grandfather was a teacher in, a headmaster (principal) of, Maori schools about the time of the second world war. Among other places he taught in an area in the north called the Hokianga, a harbour and its environs.
Coincidentally, nearly a decade ago now, I made the acquaintance of an elderly Maori woman, now passed and as we had some shared interests we chatted. This woman who grew up in the Hokianga told me that, no, it was not the schools that made the kids speak English but their parents who saw it as the way of the future. Her story is not unique, just the voice of personal experience as opposed to the more widely publicised political rhetoric directed by groups controlling the United Nations.
In Canada, tales of mass graves at mission schools have been debunked as the wet dreams of a communist university lecturer pumped up by the leftist news media.
In Australia tales of a "stolen generation" of aboriginal children have given way to explanations of the rescue of half-cast children who were being subjected to torturous behaviour and even cannibalism by their "indigenous" families.
The noble savage is a fantasy from centuries ago that never really passed the smell test even at the time, but appeals to naive school children and their naive teachers.
not every one is same, you have a good view of the indigenous people, but not every one, all over the place the destruction of indigenous culture and their rights being taken away is prevalent, in some place their population is almost on the verge of extinction, these events do not happen in such a short span on their own, we need to find a solution as the conquerer is always "right" and is in position to "decide", now its how much empathy the conquerer has , as the population of some of these people is very small ...
@@evoinception Did you read what this person wrote ? It seems to me that he rather debunks the theory of the noble savage and speaks truthfully about their failings , cannibalism etc
@@arleneT99 yes that is why i say "not every one is same as you"
They are a mix of Scandinavian and Asian north !
it's important to note that the Sami are not simply a "mix" of Scandinavian and Asian ancestry. They are a distinct Indigenous group with a long history in northern Scandinavia, predating the arrival of other European populations. Their culture, language, and identity have developed over thousands of years in this region, making them a unique and integral part of northern European history...
Saami language is the same as Suomi, a dialect. Many mutual or similar words.
Saami and Suomi are clearly linguistically close relatives.
The Sami and Finnish (Suomi) languages are indeed related, but they are not the same language or dialects of each other. Both languages belong to the Uralic language family, specifically the Finno-Ugric branch, which explains the similarities and shared vocabulary. However, they have distinct linguistic differences that make them separate languages.
There are several Saami languages, and none of them are mutually intelligible with Finnish. Even Estonian is easier to understand for a Finnish person than the Saami languages.
Its not easy For a finnish speakers to learn Sami languages. Couple of similar words, thats it.
@@hansa2026 I think learning Sami is as difficult as learning any other language for a Finn. I have studied Northern Sami as a Finnish speaking person and it is impossible to understand anything based on prior knowledge of Finnish language. I have tried to understand other Sami languages based on my knowledge of Northern Sami but that is also mostly futile effort. Maybe I lack talent on languages but Skolt Sami in particular is completely incomprehensible to me.
They were dialects of each others 1000 years ago but have driften apart further to different languages. Still I can detect finnish words in sapmi news. Like Buorri päivi =parempaa päivää-> hyvää päivää (good day). Ottasat=uutiset (news). Johka=joki (river), järv=järvi (lake) Lulli sapmi=lounas saame =etelä saame (southern sapmi).
It is not popular to admit it amongst sapmi, whose rights depend on their special status. Sometimes this leads to unlucky situations when finns (kvens) compete of same money with sapmi in northern Sweden and Norway. Co-operation would lead to better outcome. Sapmi specially and finns have had low status in Norway and Sweden, which has lead to more or less forcefull assimilation attempts.
Finns and sapmi also share half of their genes. The sapmi has 100 indigenous not finno-ugric words in their language.
Here near Tampere there were still in 1930's families in certain areas, short in height, that were apparent sapmi.
In Sweden also finnish language has been separated from Torneå dale dialect, creating own language of the dialect. This is a bit confusing and probably will not serve the purpose of preserving language but just assimilates. Sweden offers only 1 hour of finnish language education per week which is the same as Russia notoriously offers for carelinians in eastern carelia. Actions speaks loudly for themselves here.
Their language and culture is more consistent than other parts of Scandinavia and the real reason they are called indigenous. But they didn't arrive first and there are other minorities. I believe among the Samis there is a bit of fraction as well between the north and the south. They have different languages.
current evidence as is show by these studies puts them firmly as the first inhabitants of many of these lands, this has been disputed but there is no other community currently known, the modern people want to destroy their culture and this study will help to put their case more strongly ...
@@evoinceptionYou're dead wrong. I don't know why you push this agenda, but it's not true. Nobody wants to "destroy anything". The Sami people from Siberia, arrived were late to Scandinavia, here were living people that are more indigenous to the area than the Sami people are. And, as you very well know, they have their land, they have their language, their own parlament, own schools... Everything.
I assume you are sami, and just want to spread some falsehoods. You present the facts that suit you, and definitely not the whole truth. Why is that? Really wonder
@@evoinceptionmodern swedes hails from scandinavian hunter gatherers 10 000 years ago, first farmers 7000 y ago and yamnaya 5000y, all of the predates the arrival of the sami
@@evoinception So, according to you, the Saami are indigenous, but Swedes, Danes and Norwegians are what?
Note that Swedes, Danes and Norwegians; their genetic profile, language family and culture; predate the Saami in Scandinavia by at least 1,000 years.
Is indigenous to you only those peoples that remind one of Injuns in their teepees, that they live in tents? I camp in a tent all the time, but I don't count because I'm English, right?
America is not Europe. Indo-European peoples (excluding the Indo-Iranian branch), along with Basques and most Finno-Ugrics, are the indigenous peoples of Europe and we're all wyhte, shock, horror!
Lefty-liberals shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the sciences. You lot wouldn't accept objective truth even if your lives depended on it.
Midwits should stick to reading spiteful goblins like Marcuse.
@@joellarsson9486The amount of early HG DNA is very low in modern Swedes and higher in Sami. There were many waves of HG invading Scandinavia. Anyway, they all came from the south. The Sami as direct descendants of the first wave later mixed with Uralic people from the north.
The Saami are not an indigenous people. They have migrated through that's that were already settled. They arrived when the Russians, Swedes, Getes, Norwegians were already present.
The claim that the Sami are not an Indigenous people is factually incorrect. Extensive archaeological, linguistic, and genetic evidence shows that the Sami have been living in the northern regions of Scandinavia, including parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia, for thousands of years, long before the establishment of modern nation-states like Sweden, Norway, and Russia.
@@evoinception …but, europeans immigrated from the south, following the disappearing masses of 1000 m thick ice . Not from north…
Thank you for sharing this history. I love learning more about the cultures of this world.
Glad you enjoyed it
My great grandfather was from Sweden and was called a dark sweed. I have always wondered why
thanks for sharing ...
Mabe he is an Walloon? In Ostrobothnia Finland in a small village called Kimo, there is Kimo Bruk "Kimo Ironworks" there some Walloons worked and lived, they are well know for their great steelworking skills and have been known to be little dark skinned.
My grandparents were called....Black Norwegians.....perhaps a Sami connection?
There are a lot of dark Swedes now, even black ones. Is that not colonization as well?
@@lovelyandsmartcommentator5130 Sami's are opposite, white as snow, when we get sunburnt it's called " Red Necks", our skin acts different compared to other people from sunnier places. When people where refered to "dark" it was usually becus when they got sunburnt they did not become like "Red neck" but more like light-brown, that was very unusual. Black or Dark usually meant "light brown", and often refered to the Walloon's that was an high % of immigration due to the ironwork factorys.
I heard Iceland mentioned... Not sure why... But something ni read the other week about icelanders having a high ratio of denisovan genes.. More than other Europeans
What is a high amount to Icelanders. Not being sarcastic--I actually would like to know. I carry Icelandic, Norwegian markers and am .19% Denisovan. Recent ancestry, Scots, Irish, Welsh, Cumbrian, English, Tuscan, and Finnish.
Do the Sami not have a small pct of Denisovan genetics,
@@harrietharlow9929 I'm sorry I can't recall exact details... I know it surprised me as it was news I didn't know. Iceland and it's people are special.... I have visited your country twice and find it fascinating. It might have been an item on New Scientist magazine or. Maybe one of the other history channels on RUclips.
It was on the highly compelling you tube site a couple of days ago. It also is mentioned in Wikipedia on denidovians. Hope that helps 😊
@@user-ri1ti6go7s OK. Because .19% Denisovan is high for Europeans. Although I carry Icelandic, Finnish and Viking ancestry, I am Irish, Scots, Welsh, Cumbrian, Indigenous American English. with Finnish and Tuscan.. However I would love to visit Iceland. It is indeed a beautiful, fascinating place from what I've seen.
Why do you have fotos from the inuit (Greenland) and north-east Sibiria? Do not trust AI, do reserach. Sorry about any misspellings 🇧🇻
do not slander with out any reason, stick to topic of cultural destruction of Sami and how this genetic study proves beyond doubt that they have inhabited these lands for long before any one was here ...
@@evoinception oh, you are sami? I am one of very many Norwegians who is of mixed herritage 😄 Nice to get a video about the sami DNA from a sami ♥️
Anyway, did i mention anything about sami not being the first inhabitants of northern Scandinavian?
You indicated that the narrator did not do their research, which is indeed slander.
Had nothing to do with what you mentioned in your second comment, I also noticed the photo however that was fairly irrelevant compared to your comment
@@tylerlogan4747 thank you for reconition of my original text.
It was all about the pictures, they were fairly unreconicible compare to topics in video.
What ticed me of was the answer i got from content-creator. It felt like creator wanted a fight. As in anger about me question about the reserach and results presented. I did not do that.
Hope this came throug as understaneble, i have to translate it from Norwegian. Sorry about any misspelling 🇧🇻
@@evoinceptionpointing out inaccuracy is not slander. Slander has to be a falsehood. Getting angry so quickly indicates that your argument may be weak.
The problem with this is that it uses many, many unexplained terms. From the (probably) simple such as ‘Uralic languages’ to many words I couldn’t begin to write down. There were many graphs and diagrams used, none of which were explained at a level that I could comprehend. This post seems to be aimed at people who would have a good idea about the elements that it discusses. I certainly don’t, and I’m none the wiser for watching most of it before I gave up.
It’s understandable that some of the terminology and data presented in genetic studies can be complex and difficult to grasp without prior knowledge. Terms like "Uralic languages" refer to a specific family of languages spoken in regions such as Finland, Estonia, and parts of Russia, including by the Sami people. These languages have a deep history and are distinct from the Indo-European languages spoken in most of Europe.The graphs and diagrams used in genetic studies are tools to visually represent relationships, ancestry, and genetic diversity. While they may seem overwhelming, they are essential for illustrating how populations are connected over time and space.
Although much of what was said in this video was above me, I found it fascinating and would like to know more. Are there other videos on this subject, more accessible to ignorant people like me?
if you have any points you did not get, like any specific genetic info you can ask...
European steppe, pontic is still in Europe
Pontic warrior here, European since forever o7
are you a Pontic warrior heritage carrier ?
This is so old news. And misunderstood and misrepresented. Sorry.
there are still many cases pending and even the UN recently made an observation regarding the cultural destruction of Sami heritage...
@@evoinception yes I know, I am in the heart of it and follow deeply. There are multiple theories of how Finland was inhabited and you're telling (and referring to) the oldest one. Please note that until 5000-3000 BC most of the Finnish peninsula was under water and after that, formed of a very broken landline and a rich archipelago. Even around 800 AD, it was not stretched as far as today. This broken land was inhabited by several tribes, speaking (first Paleo-European and then) several Uralic languages. By multiple sources, the Finnish and Sami languages have been suggested to have diverged
Thank you for another interesting video.
The link to North America was one of the ones I was expecting to see. Fascinating that it was actually there.
thanks for your continued support to the channel ...
Povos do Norte e Sul da América , aqui se trata do continente americano e não dos Estados Unidos que pensam ser a América , são os mesmos povos , não há ligações com povos da Noruega ou Finlândia
Very interesting, although much of this was beyond my paygrade as well as far from my field of translation. I went through the Finnish national epic Kalevala last spring, and noticed an interesting connection between the story of Aino and an Inuit or Chukchi animal tale of getting back the stolen Sun (from the Finnish translation of the story collection Kuthka the Raven). The connection was a strong enough link to doubt it was more than a coincidence, and ever since I have been interested in the connection between Finns and more Asiatic populations from a story perspective.
Aino in Kalevala is a young woman that old Väinämöinen is trying to woo for himself - but Aino herself is not so keen on the idea, so he drowns herself in the lake. After Aino dies, they are looking for someone to send a message to her mother that she died, so they come up with some candidates. The first three candidates are the bear, the fwolf and the fox, but they all get rejected, since they'd go after cows, sheep and geese, and forget the message. So the rabbit is sent, and he gets the message to Aino's mother.
Meanwhile, in the story from Kuthka the Raven, the Sun gets stolen, and they are looking for someone to bring it back. So they bring forth three candidates one after the other: the bear, the wolf, and the rabbit. The bear is rejected, since it would go after sweet things, and forget the Sun. The wolf is rejected, since it would go after deer, and forget the Sun. But the rabbit is accepted, and he does indeed bring the Sun back.
The connection is indeed strong, a very similar basic structure with the omission of one animal, the fox, from Kuthka the Raven (or perhaps it was added to the Kalevala story). This makes sense, since there is less time spent with each animal in Kalevala, so it makes sense to include the fox in the triad of rejected animals, whereas in Kuthka the Raven there is more detail given, and it makes the story flow better if we have only three candidates in total.
The fact that I managed to bump on a connection like this given how little I know in general about these stories intrigues me. How many similar connections are there that we are just not aware of?
The connection you've drawn between the Kalevala's Aino story and the Inuit or Chukchi tale is indeed fascinating and may point to shared storytelling traditions or motifs, but it's important to approach such similarities with caution. Many cultures worldwide have similar animal tales, often involving common creatures like bears, wolves, and rabbits, because these animals play significant roles in the natural environments of various regions. The resemblance in structure may be a coincidence rooted in the universal use of animals as symbols or characters in folklore.From a historical perspective, Finns and other Uralic-speaking peoples, such as the Sami, do have ancient connections to populations in Siberia and northeastern Asia, which could explain some overlapping cultural motifs. However, direct cultural exchanges between the Finns and Inuit or Chukchi populations are unlikely given the vast geographical distances between them. These similarities in stories could instead be the result of shared ancient storytelling traditions that spread over time and space.While such links are intriguing, further research would be needed to determine if these similarities are more than coincidental. Studying folklore often reveals common human experiences expressed through different cultural lenses, but definitive connections between distant groups like Finns and Inuit would require more than a single story parallel.
@@evoinception Thank you for your input, and I agree more research would be necessary. I lean quite heavily towards ancient shared storytelling traditions rather than direct cultural exchange, since indeed we are talking about people groups at vast geographic distances from each other. I know that the rune singing tradition here in Finland and neighbouring regions extends back thousands of years, and in the tradition motifs and story patterns are also very often reused in different contexts.
In general, there would be plenty of room for researching how different motifs have been used both within the rune singing tradition and wider, to see what kind of connections there are, and what they are a sign of.
@@laurilehtiaho9618 you make some good points here, thanks for contribution ...
They look so tough and unique ❤
yes they are wonderful people, struggling for their rights to their own land ...
This narrator is excellent. Much better than the Ai
@@evoinceptionThey are not "struggling" at all. They have almost more rights than everybody else. Their own land, own parlament, own schools etc. And they didn't "come first", that's a lie. Here in the Nordic countries were people living thousands of years before the sami people arrived. Please get your facts straight.
I used to think similarly about Europeans in my school.in India too and most of them were either Irish or Portuguese.
@@susannebrunberg4174 Slutt å spre myter, og prøv å forstå at genetiske markører er bevis på at du tar feil. Ellers lurer jeg på hvordan det ikke er å streve med å bevare egen kultur, inkludert næring, når samiske fiskere i flere tiår stod uten tilgang til fisken i havet, og når de endelig fikk tilbake rettigheter var fjordene enten ødelagt eller i ferd med å ødelegges av fiskeoppdrett. Hvordan er det å ikke streve når reindriftssamer er i ferd med å miste livsgrunnlaget (og den eneste næringen som er kun samisk) fordi skrullete folk tror at vindturbiner kan redde verden? Hvordan er det å ikke streve når en stor del av det samiske folk tror de er norske, og bruker livet til å slå ned på sine egne? De største kritikerne av samiske rettigheter er ofte selv fornorskede samer. Du burde sjekke folketellingene - kanskje det gjelder deg selv.
Isn’t the Finnish language different from other Scandis and most similar to the Magyars (Hungarians) who were driven west by the warlike tribes on the Asians steppes?
you make a good point about the language difference ...
Not _most_ similar, as Estonian and the small Finnic languages just East of the border are _way_ more mutually intelligible,
but after that for sure, the Hungarian language is a cousin of Finnish and the other languages mentioned. The Scandinavian North Germanic languages are not related to Finnish _et al._
@@katathoombz Right and not just that finnish isn't north germanic, it's not even indo-european. So it's even further not related to those languages, but finnish is related to saami.
@@ellem8990 indeed
That's why in Latvian language we still call Finn's as "Somi" [Suomi].
thanks for sharing this info and welcome ...
@@evoinception And Sami people in Latvian is called "Saami (Sāmi)".
Sweden had until the 80 racists laws
holy f... 8:10 nearly spit my coffee out when I heard my city mentioned 😄
thanks for enjoying the content :lol, feel free to ask any question if you want ...
I share a mitochondrial DNA haplogroup (a whole sequence) with Nganasan people and other indigenous Siberian and Mongolic peoples. My mother is Swiss.
There is a place in Switzerland which was supposedly populated by Huns who settled there (Val d’Anniviers). Scholars say this is a myth and I don't know if any DNA studies have been done to confirm or refute this.
Fascinating; how cool is that?
you carry a wonderful legacy, thanks for sharing ...
Current swiss skull types speak volumes
I hope the textured wall at 5.53 is not the "popcorn" type that may contain asbestos - please be careful.
do not derail an important discussion on genetics with such meaningless statements ...
What is the Saami predominant blood type?
I think it’s red….
should be zero ~ similarity to the Native-Americans 😮!
Predominant IDK but there's a strong correlation between B blood type and both Uralics and Indoeuropeans. This is probably a blood type that originated in or near Central Asia and, unlike the others, may have only evolved once.
predominant blood type among the Saami people is blood type A
@@evoinceptionThey are Germans, I knew it!👍🏿
Cruel mankind !!! Mankind, a creation that shouldn't have been ! Whoever created man had sick intentions ! Harmony and unconditional love was definitely NOT part in the plan !
not all people are bad, else we will not be discussing this, but as emotional creatures, injustice does tend to make us angry especially when it is proven by science like genetics that Sami who have been there the longest are denied land and even to speak their language ...
We are a minestrone soup,which history mixed and we should be happy that it did because it evolved us into what we are today.
you make an excellent point ...
@@evoinception And unfortunately the only thing that divides us is archaic man made religions.Like mine is better than yours or mine is real and yours is not.We know so much more now because of technology you would think that humans have evolved enough to know that we started somewhere and if it was a god it would have been the same for everyone.
But who were in today’s Finland, northern Sweden, Norway and Murmansk peninsula before the Sami? What can be said about them?
While it's possible that other ancient populations existed in these regions before the Sami, there is no concrete evidence to suggest that any other distinct group occupied these lands before the Sami. The Sami are the first known people to have established a continuous presence in northern Scandinavia, making them the Indigenous inhabitants of these lands.
Clickbait title, but the studies are interesting. Nature Communications volume 9, Article number: 5018 (2018)
A United Nations committee has found that Finland violated an international convention on racial discrimination when it comes to the political rights of Sámi, the EU's only indigenous people. Is that finding clickbait enough for you ...
@@evoinception Did the Nature article spark the controversy? Or did the controversy exist before the Nature article?
First of all, The term Sam came in use in the beginning of the 1930s ( nobody had ever heard the term before the " South Lapps" came to the work infront of the new " Reindeer legislation" with following questions " are we gonna call ourselves Lapp or Sam?.) and the term Lapp was considered to be a negative name, given by the "colonists"... ( Where are that story written and documented?)The question is therefore, what did they call themselves before 1930?
Absolutely every " Sam" tongue are dokumentented old Finnic language from mainly Lagoda, Onega area.
North Sam are based on Terfinn. A tribe described to have the same tongue and belonged to the Finnlenderne ( Finns).
Absolutely every aspect of this Fairytale can be proven false.
Take the Skolts for instance, Their heritage, language and history became Sam without explanation.
The skolts protested, but with no response at all.
All financially and politicaly supported by the Norwegian State.
The Finnemisjonen ( Churts mental brainwash) tells about all of the Finnic peoples that was targeted.
All in a sudden, without eksplanation at all, it became " Sam"...
The truth is that millions of finnouguric peoples has become Sam...All our language, culture and history has been flipped politically to Sam. The first etnografical list in Norway was Lapp= Finn and Kvens.
In the latest it read, Samer and Kvener= Finner.
Do the math, and do som thinking about what happened with language, culture and history under such conditions...
All this has happened for the reason to make a Norwegian Minority, with no connection to the old Finnic culture we can prove existed from the Bronze age and troughout times, until our days.
A new term is given to dead Finnish speaking finns from Finnland post mortem. Thats whats happened.
It's important to clarify some key facts. The term "Sami" is not a recent invention; it has deep historical roots. The Sami people have lived in northern Europe for thousands of years, and their languages, although related to the Finnic languages, are distinct and belong to the Uralic language family. While it's true that the term "Lapp" was historically used, it has been largely replaced by "Sami" due to its more respectful and accurate representation of the people.The notion that Sami identity was imposed or artificially created is incorrect. The Sami have a unique cultural heritage, language, and history that is well-documented and recognized. The Skolts, a group within the Sami, have a distinct language and culture, which has been acknowledged and preserved, not erased. The shift in terminology and recognition was part of broader efforts to respect and preserve Sami identity, rather than an attempt to rewrite history. The connection between the Sami and broader Finnic groups is acknowledged, but Sami culture is distinct and has been for millennia.
This is documented and the leading Skolts can tell the history.
Lapp is considered offensive. It means rag people.
@@evoinception What facts, where? I have been trying to get theese "proofs" for years, and with no respons from thew whole "Sam academic"... Howcom do you think?
This narrative has been built trough generations without one single question asked. Its proven without dought that this is false from the beginning to the end, and thats why nobody can go against my claims, not one, and there is a reasen for that og cource, its a lie, an dockumented one.
Finnish speaking finns has become Sam post morthem, and i can prove that from different sources that the Sam term came to play in the beginning of the 1930s.
The Skolts became Sam in an istant and they (The Skolts) wrote angry letters to the Goverment with not a singe respons... The new minorety in Norway needed flesh on its new body, and as earlier said, everything is documented. The reasen for this sick history, is the fact that we finns (As Vaner that became finnish people) har been in norway since inleast 6000 years ago and the earlyest Slash and burn in norway are from early Bronze age and all well known culturemarkers of the finnish culture for all to see and trough all times. Thats why an new narrative has been whispered in childs ears for generations . They where told... But its not true, and has absolutly no connection to historical records what so ever.
The Novgorod Chronicles that spends from late 700 until 1800 dosent mention anything of this matter at all, and they recorded everything and no other sources did neighter.
All culture is therefore stolen to get our common history away from minds of the population that has different finnish connections to this culture, just separated by thousands of years , different dogmes, state regimes and the churchs obsession to get rid of this ancient, headen culture once and for all.
In which language? I do not recall.
Please find a dictionary and search the meaning of ‘indigenous’. Otherwise I think it would be safe to consider the Basque as the only indigenous group in Europe. That would be stupid, but still less stupid than considering the Sami the only indigenous group. Aren’t Europeans indigenous to Europe? Let’s also not delve into the non European origins of the Sami.
Indigeneity is defined by a long-standing connection to a particular land, cultural continuity, and historical presence predating modern states and societies. The Sami have lived in the northern regions of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia for thousands of years, with their distinct language, culture, and way of life. This qualifies them as Indigenous to that region, just as the Basque are Indigenous to their region in the Pyrenees.
This is interesting. I am Western and Northwestern European and I have the U5b mtDNA haplotype, but none of the Siberian haplotypes
thanks for sharing, the absence of Siberian haplotypes in your DNA is not surprising given that U5b is primarily associated with ancient European hunter-gatherers rather than with populations from Siberia.
@@evoinception Yes, and somewhere in the distant past we had related mama hunter gatherers. 🙂 I find ancestry, genetics and history fascinating.
The pronounced brow ridges on the right hand skull at 5:49 in the video, does not look like a modern human phenotype.
The samples seem extremely small.
in genetics its the quality not the quantity that matters ...
@@evoinception Sure it is. If you have very few samples and scientists with an agenda, they can tell a story that give them more funding. Or if they have a lot of samples but only include a convenient selection in their study.
@@user-xk8mq5ic9k If you don't have evidence that the sample size is too small to be reliable or that the scientists are biased, then why are you talking about it?
Sources from Iceland's history of settlement Islendingabók and some Sagas' we have a very plausible reason to suggest Sami heritage from the settlers and their household.
The Íslendingabók and Icelandic sagas primarily trace the origins of Iceland's settlers to Norse and Celtic roots. While interactions between Norse settlers and the Sami were likely, the suggestion of Sami heritage among the early Icelandic population is not factually proven and remains speculative without further archaeological or genetic evidence.
Did they find any of the elusive "Germanic" Haplogroup I1 that is quite dominating in modern Scandinavians and Western Finns, in those prehistoric DNA?
The study does not mention the presence of the "Germanic" Haplogroup I1 in the ancient DNA samples from Finland and northwestern Russia.
I1 seems to be pre-Germanic. There’s even a specific Finnish I1 subclade. As far as I know they found very old „I“ in Sami, which goes probably back to the Ahrensburg culture.
@@Claude_van Obviously it has an older origin but it gets widespread in The Nordic Bronze Age and spreads around the world with the Germanic tribes in the Migration era. That was the point of my question; clues to where it came from before it became so dominant in Scandinavia.
Among Scandinavian people, the Finns are really looked down on. My mother (born 1911) had an older friend who when a young woman in MN, liked a Finnish boy. She was told he was barely a step above an Indian (Indigenous).
Legally "White" in the US though, the Supreme Court declared :'D oh what times, a hundred years ago, to have a need to make such rulings.
Sami... Means alone.
The word "Sami" is derived from the Sami languages, where it means "the people" or "the people of the land."
@@evoinception in Slavic languages it means what I said. Tnx though.
@@goldendome-l1l ah ok, my bad ..
And regarding "finnish", I supouse you mean "Soumi" kieli?
This language was forced on the older Hel population that talked variations, dialects, of scandinavic languages!
The change in language, was forced on to the fins mainly during the midle of the eighten hundreds.
And this by the south sweden talking leading peoples of finland. Rests of earlier occupiers.
Why were they forceing the "Bonsk talande" to learn and speak suomi?
A deal with the Russian Tsar!!
And Bondska dialects of scandinavia,
the name comes from the baseword of "the language of the living here".
Språket som talas av de boende.
"Boende ska" becomes in shortened, "Bondska".
For example,
the living in Lövånger, they talked, and often also wrote in "Lövånger Bondska".
And to get a perspektiv how many such "versions" of old to very very old bonsker that there were in a neighboring area, one can look at the old churchwillage of Jörn, now named ÖsterJörn.
When gathered to church high weekends, they, the peoples of the surounding sites, villages and homesteads met up in then Jörn.
The furthest came from aprox 14 kilometers or eight miles away from the church.
These then hade at least eight(!), 8, different detectable "languages, with inside them a difference based on village, gense and family!
So a person that was brought up in this area back then, cirka 100 years or earlier, they could by just listen to the language and its subforms, the dialect,
directly identifi from wich area and family this person that spoke came from!
And it must be pointed outthat this was a common knowledge among all old inhabitants in this rather small area of appr 4 square mil (swedish mil).
And no sami languge was of origin in this areas!
But important to menthion is, that these languages was by the authorities named "lappish" or lappish bonska.
Bonska, eller bondskor i Lapland.
And by the way, the word Lap, derives from the old Scandinavian word for shovel. And this was a widely spread naming.
Still existing in Faeroeiska and as a "incorporated lent word" in now adays Suomi.
This in the form of Lapio(-n).
So the name of Lapland, or as we pronounce it Lappland, means,
"the lands belonging to us, and are part of our home land, that are possible for us, to build a home".
Att spada up mark till odling!
But of course are they "taken", stolen, grabbed, "possed" by the states that now a days have "incorporated" us.
Despite the treaties, the deals, the promisses, the heart crossed given written state ments, they have been stolen.
And as a tool for this have they the kings and aftermaths of them, used immigrants.
Formed, and rased by the state to even claim the lands and the history, as theire "birth right".
It is in most ways a direct parallell to how Palestine was stolen and the Palestinians was "claimed to be the intruders in theire own homes by an organized" immigration" /occupation, all to serve some very inforcing British upperclass intressed groups.
There Britain was the protector.
Here it was the kings of sweden and Denmark as the russian Tsar.
There they used scatters of peoples from all around to "join in in the conquere".
Her they the kings, "opened our lands to creating farms, to settlers".
But thouse that did not succeded,
they became the suomi, sami, sames, speaking Sami.
And that my friends,
that is facts!
Not pipe dreams.
Thanks for the references that modern Finnish language is not the ancient language of the people but forced by "nationalisation" of language by authorities around 1800? The same thing also happened in France in 1600-1850 to destroy all the old dialects to "standard French". Now the authorities tell Europeans we are not even indigenous to our own lands!?!
I could have told you that the Sami have a significant ancestral connection with Native Americans. Just use your eyeballs. Any one of them could walk into a Native American bar in Oklahoma City and the first question they would get asked after their order was taken was their tribal affiliation. They would be thought to be Native American. It is important to Native peoples as some tribes are historical adversaries and some not. That way in order to keep the peace, they can dance around issues and historical conflicts. Also, as a sense of who you are. I was asked the same question by them and I was the bartender at one time in one of them. Sami people would just have to state that and be accepted. I gave a partially incorrect answer as I was told wrong. I have since done research trying to find corroboration to sign up on the rolls and get benefits. I do not qualify as the one tribe I thought I had a significant ancestry with was actually just a smidgin. My blood quotient is too low and the tribe I have the strongest contribution from does not get benefits and even then my blood quotient is too low. I am not 50 percent Cherokee as I was told. I am 8% Native American and mostly Patawomeck/Powhatan with some Taino and a smidge of Cherokee. Different father and even then the assumed father was not 100 percent as I was told as a child. I do have his granny in my tree on my mother's side. My BCF has several contributors in his tree of the Patawomeck and Powhatan bloodline and I still haven't found the Taino contributor. I look enough Native American to get asked my tribe. Any Sami person would be welcomed and asked as well. As they have distinctive features that are the same as Native Americans. Yes, my mother had an affair with her cousin, unbeknownst to both of them. Since in our family the Native American blood was not admitted nor discussed. My grandparents were ignorant as their families assimilated into white society.
Sorry, Sami folk look European white. I recall seeing a delegation of Sami at an Indigenous Peoples convention ~ a decade ago, and Native Americans were amazed to see white folk there, in tribal garb, yoiking away.
Treatment of Sami shockingly, horribly parallels that of Native Americans, tho, right down to the boarding schools.
Sammy or Sarmi? Please pick one.
I'm batting for Saami (Sarmi).
suomi?
you have any other questions on the study or just this multiple choice one ?
@@evoinception
do you have answers?
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@@mito88 He has anti-European propaganda, will that do?
Käsittäkseni Saamelaiset asuttivat ainakin suomen aluetta ensin. Etelä suomessa on yhä lappalaisiin viittaavia vanhoja paikannimiä. Suomessa niinkuin muuallakin maailmassa tumma ihonväri on todennäköisesti ollut hyvin yleinen.
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Several years ago, most of the genetic evidence linked the Sami with peoples like the Scots, the Welsh, and the Basque. Additionally, their core religious beliefs are almost identical to those of the Basque. I have two videos on this subject on my other channel. What happened to those genetic studies?
can you post any links you have to those studies, it will be interesting to go through them ...
Search the recesses of your fantasies, I'm sure you'll find therm there.
The sami want a finding in the EU of a different race to the fins not just a different culture. Which is fine but what about all the other indigenous peoples?
Its very interesting to note that they do share genes with the indigenous people of the americas, they are northern europe and if you keep north go past northern asia, pick up a few genes you can walk over to alaska and then start moving south. Now you have two migration routes and still no explanation for central asia which is yet another race and I'd love to know how much admixture they have from Anatolia......its a melting pot everywhere! 😂
P.S. If this continues we're going to have to invent more cultures or a different definition of homogeneous otherwise we can go back to the Dryas and say ok this was the last homogeneous homo sapiens sapiens species, everyone born after this is mixed race....or has too much admixture to call their pop or race 'pure'
yes, for Central Asia, it's indeed a region with a complex history of migration and admixture. Populations in Central Asia have genetic contributions from various sources, including Indo-European, Turkic, and East Asian groups, making it one of the most diverse genetic regions in the world. The idea of a "melting pot" is quite accurate, as human history is full of migrations and interactions that have shaped the genetic diversity we see today.
@@evoinception and there's another mystery, Asians are abutted to India, the only thing that separated them is a mountain range yet on looks alone I would say se Asia and central Asia have nothing to do with Indians. But Indians you can see in people to the west.
I will also go out on a limb and say the steppe people have way less Asian admixture than we think considering that the steppe people never identified themselves with the Chinese, they have been continually at war with north, south and west since the age of Kurash ( Cyrus the Great). Melting pot it is but at least here we can trace the echos of the ancient tribes, the fertile Cresent, Anatolia, whatever you want to call it, now there's a real melting pot, and they've been fighting for the same spit of land since Naram Sib. I wish anyone doing a study there the best of luck, you'll need it. 🥃🤗
@@evoinception and thanks for the great videos, I'm really enjoying them. ❤️❤️❤️
My greatgrandfather from Norway was Sami. I love everyting Sami.
wonderful people indeed, thanks for sharing ...
I say let all the people who believe they are "of Earth" more than others have it. This planet is overrated, and not as special as where the cool people come from. Earth is for chumps, let 'em fight for claim to it. Small fish.
its not so easy to sa when you are not allowed to speak your own language and land is taken away ...
"Mordvin" is different from "Moldovan".
yes i had said Mordovian
nicely done
thanks for your kind words ...
@@evoinception 1st heard about Sami as a young girl during Christmas. Teacher described actual people who rode reindeer.
@@emmapeel8163 good to know they teach about them , thanks for sharing ..
Not seeing a huge controversy? I think this stuff is all generally widely accepted.
No, its not, recent statements at UN has expressed great sadness over no progress being made and the denial and Cultural Destruction of Sami people continuing, read the clippings in description ...
@evoinception Oh there may be any amount of dragging feet on awarding the Sami whatever status, but all the stuff you actually talked about in the video has been widely known for a while.
@@MatthewMcVeagh you can speak for yourself, but. not every one is aware of these genetic facts ...
@@evoinception Where is the controversy over them?
I don't see any huge controversy. Only thing which was puzzling to me is concentrating to situation and history of Finland. Most Sami people live in Norway and they are more Scandinavian than a finnish group by origin. In Finland there is only like 5000 Sami people left and many of those have roots in Norway or Sweden. In northern Sweden and Norway there is also a large Finnish population. Discrimination of Sami and Finnish people go sometimes hand in hand in Scandinavia. Of course there is history of discrimination of Sami people also in Finland. I think the biggest problem is that foreign rulers have wanted to assimilate Sami people to dominant culture. Best way to correct situation is from my point of a view self governance of sami people. There have been efforts to that but it needs to be more effective.
you do not see the controversy as you not on the receiving end, and how beautifully you say there are only 5,000 left , taking away native people's land, their right to speak their own language is not heart wrenching to you ...
i think the most crucial find to this could be the 'Lagmansören woman', a forest witch grave find dated to the neolithic, have u seen/heard of it?
Because formerly the reconstruction had a whole eagle talon pendant hanging from her neck, just like its been worn still in the 20th century by one of the 5 (reindeer eagle bear kandelok and dragonfly) shaman fraternities, of the Ket people of the yenisei river, but since every picture and reference to it is completely removed from online articles...
Could you please find out if it was just the reconstructors artistic freedom borrowed from elsewhere, or there actually was an eagle talon found in the grave that inspired it? cheers!
There appears to be little scientific evidence to support the specific claims about the "Lagmansören woman", if you know any study on it, please share, will it be interesting to have a look ...
@@evoinception i have no idea how to look up the excavation's official academic publication or if it even exists in english, but there has been a complete removal of any written reference to the talon from the articles on both the västernorrlands museum's and the artist's own site, just as from secondary source journal sites, and just look at the pictures, they only left available the ones where u cant see clearly what the figure is wearing around her neck... i hoped u or someone you know maybe live in the region and have seen the exhibit yourself or can visit it easily?
I have visited Norway and met some indigenous Sami people. I cannot tell the difference between Sami and Europeans. Sami look exactly like other white people or caucasians to me. The narrator keeps using DNA structure to claim a distinction. The fact that we cannot distinguish between people based on genetic or DNA sequence makes it impossible to use DNA structure to classify Sami as a distinctive people. There is a tendency to use scientific concepts to demonstrate relationships when we do not have any method to measure a person's entire DNA structure. Let alone compare DNA structure of people of different cultural or ethnic identities. This is very strange because it is misleading if not an outright lie. Then the narrator object to calling Sami culture as Sami society as backward. I understand this point. It is insulting to call a culture, an ethnic identity, or a society as "backward." Yet the Sami people live in a hostile environment and they use less-developed tools to survive. This makes their life very difficult. We know from Anthropology that agriculture allows a group to people to develop their society into civilization. Once a group of people achieve civilization then they can invent many things like tools to make their lives more comfortable and convenient. If a more comfortable life or more convenient is more developed then living a nomadic life is a struggle for survival then it is accurate to refer to it as backward. If it is insulting then I am sorry. I do not mean to be insulting. But most nomadic people struggling for survival can have a better life if they use the modern conveniences invented by people who have achieved agriculture and civilization. I do not think it is right to wipe out the language and culture of nomadic people who have not achieved civilization. When I visited Norway and drove to a town of Sami people it seems many Sami people have adopted the modern conveniences of modern Norway. They seem to like the modern conveniences of civilization.
It's understandable that the Sami may appear similar to other Europeans at first glance, but genetic studies reveal deeper distinctions that aren't visible on the surface. The Sami have unique genetic markers that reflect their distinct ancestry, particularly with links to ancient Siberian populations, which sets them apart from other European groups. While outward appearances might not show these differences, DNA studies provide valuable insights into the unique history and identity of the Sami people.
So what's the "huge controversy"?
its for recognition of their cultural heritage and against an organised attempt to erase it , the fact that they are being displaced from their own lands by recent arrivals, this study proves as Sami people being the inhabitants of these lands long before arrival of any other community, the issue of their cultural destruction is being raised and discussed on various platforms, links are in the description ..
@@evoinceptionSo you compare the Sami people with the finns in Finland. Well the sami people arrived before the finns. That's true. But the sami people are not the indigenous people, hence here already were living people...
You mentioned, only with a few words, "there were living people with an unknown language..." What?! Lmaooo
@@susannebrunberg4174 there is nothing funny about systematically destroying a culture and people who have lived for tens of thousands of years because they refuse to submit to your culture and believes, this matter is very big concern for whole world ...
@@evoinception yes there is and im all for it, they have hinderd development of green industry for decades making it inposeble for more jobs and costing tons of tax money. I don't care about your crying or feelings, adapt or die you can just hold back the rest of the nations development becuase of feelings
I did a DNA test earlier this year, result 97% Munster Irish 3% Eastern Finiland no idea where or how that 3% came from.
thanks for sharing, do not fret too much about the 3%, we all are carrying multiple heritage ...
Vikings most likely they raided Ireland a lot and did a lot of assaulting the Irish women about a thousand years ago
@@alicejohnson8751Finns guided vikings to eastern river routes, but it is not known they were so far west. Probably a sailor of more modern times may have left his dna mark.
The controversy ought to be the fossil sample size. It is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too small. Using thousands of more modern individuals for comparison does not help this one bit. They need a statistically significant fossil sample size or conclusions just amount to speculation.
The conclusions drawn from these studies are not mere speculation. Scientists use rigorous statistical methods to ensure that even small sample sizes can provide meaningful insights. These methods account for the limitations of the data, and the results are cross-validated with findings from other ancient and modern populations.
@@evoinception Sample size is either valid or invalid based on a statistical formula. There is a magic number which has to be reached before the sample size can be statistically significant. If it is not stated as statistically significant, then the rule is that is is not statistically significant. Unless it is, the whole thing is meaningless speculation.
What is the controversy about ?
the saami lang and cultural heritage, their language is all being destroyed despite them having inhabited the lands far longer then any one, this genetic study firmly establishes them as inhabiting the lands long before any one...
So interesting!
thanks for your like and support ...
1:51 - probably Mordovians, not Moldovians :)
yes - Mordovians, i think i said it correctly though with a clear "r" in there , thanks
@@evoinception hi, your pronunciation is of course OK but transcription (automatic) has mistake
Thank you for making this. My daughter is Sami. ❤
thanks for sharing this wonderful info and welcome ...
Thank you! ❤@@evoinception
Estonian 🇪🇪, Finnish and Hungarian language is supposed to be related with Sami language 😊
OK should have listened to the whole video first. 😜 my children are Estonian too…
thanks for your interest in topic and a wonderful heritage ...
BTW. My first wife was from Hungary. I’m German. Especially with the Finno-Ugric languages I’ve tried to get along with. But it was very hard to find similar words. But there are some… 😊
Btw my wife looks pretty much like some of those ladies on this pictures. With a slim face 😊 7:30
Just blue eyes and blond hair 😎
“Genetic studies on the Sami people have significant implications for their rights and cultural preservation… “
Er, no they don’t, unless you’re a Nazi race scientist!
The Sami are an ethnic group. This is indisputable. DNA has got nothing to do with it. Ethnicity is not the same as racial purity. This confusion between ethnicity and racial purity is one you often find among left-wing people who claim, for example, that the English are not an ethnic group because there is no English gene.
Take the Jews. The Jews are on ethnic group, indisputably. They ultimately come from the Middle East. However, DNA evidence shows that there was a lot of intermarriage in the early Middle Ages with European groups. So some Jews will have more European DNA than others. Those Jews are not any less Jewish.
Your comment fundamentally misunderstands the role of genetic studies in relation to the Sami people and other ethnic groups. Genetic studies are not about promoting "racial purity," but rather about understanding the historical migrations, ancestry, and relationships between different populations. These studies help to illuminate the unique genetic heritage of the Sami people, which supports their identity and claims as an Indigenous group in northern Scandinavia.Ethnicity is indeed not about "racial purity," but genetics can provide valuable insights into the history and continuity of an ethnic group. For the Sami, genetic research has confirmed their distinct ancestry, which includes significant contributions from ancient European and Siberian populations. This scientific evidence reinforces their long-standing presence in the region and supports their rights and cultural preservation efforts.
@@evoinception no, I’m not misunderstanding anything. The Sami are an ethnic group and if they have any group rights, that distinctive ethnicity is sufficient to establish them. Their genetic distinctiveness is irrelevant.
There's no genetic evidence that proves European jews are from the Middle East. That's just a racist conspiracy theory made up by white nationalists who don't want to accept that European jews are European/ indigenous to Europe.
Linguistics can tell about the movement and settlement of different peoples only if it can be compared with the written text of the period under review. There has been no writing in the area of Finland until the Swedish rule in the 12th century. linguistics without comparable written material is conjecture, and in that case pseudoscience. In this case, it is not possible to say who was first in the area of Finland and when, also genetics cannot tell this because the DNA of the Sami people of the Finnish moon is so different from the European DNA.
Genetic studies are not about "racial purity" but about understanding the history and ancestry of ethnic groups like the Sami. These studies confirm the unique genetic heritage of the Sami, supporting their identity and rights as an Indigenous people. Ethnicity is informed by both culture and ancestry, and genetics helps provide evidence of a group's long-standing presence in a region.
I lost track of many of the moving parts of this. I still do not understand how Finns with light skin and light hair are not of Indo-European origin.
Because those traits aren't necessarily strictly Indo European.
@@k.d.kelley2830 lmfao right? Not a very difficult concept to grasp. Just wait until they learn about Basque people
Because Indo-European is a linguistic term, not a ‘racial’ one.
Genetically they are basically Baltic Corded Ware people, but they were linguistically Uralized.
Because such traits are not Indoeuropean-specific to begin with (just part of the wider West Eurasian variation, much older than Indoeuropean genesis at the Volga-Caucasus). Also because the very first Indoeuropeans (Khvalynsk, Yamna) were "half-Finnish" so to say, with loads of EHG genetics, and maybe they acquired or reinforced some of such phenotype traits from West Uralic peoples (EHG): their other half of ancestry was Caucasus-Zagros genetics, which may have also contributed but are generally associated modernly with somewhat darker pigmentation on average, especially in hair.
Most of these pictures sre from westerbothnians a part of the Hels populations!
Why do you mention Moldova and Moldovans in your analysis, man? Moldavians are not Nordic, they are not Uralic, they are not Scandinavian. Moldovans are Romanians. The Moldavians were farmers who raised cattle and sheep, not reindeer.
yes - Mordovians, i think i said it correctly though with a clear "r" in there , thanks
@@evoinception You can say "Mordovians" but in the subtitle it says "Moldavians".
Good thing the person on his RUclips channel is being allowed to study and research instead of fight as concscripted soldier. For what maybe in a court room well that is another matter altogether I am afraid. Here we go again with the endless wastful of time debates about geneology. Count me out. Unless it is rich with cultural icons too. Cultural icons that I am not going to be false accused of appropriating when feeling inspired too only while maybe having fun doodling on fabric or whatever with my grandsons maybe too. Something which my youngest daughter Alexia and her husband too is very good at leading now. After I was once told the pregnancy imaging test result indicated she was going to be a boy to be born within only a week long possible window of time. I have no idea how many possilbe tribal genetic background both she and I may be from. All I know is most of us in our families were from an agricultural or a nomadic herding of large animals shepharding background or maybe a Levite one too.
genetics is not wasteful, it has helped solve many misconceptions about our past and provide new pathways to future ...
Shame on Norway Finland and Sweden opps that's right I'm Canadian so please disregard that shame smeer
these are the original inhabitants of the lands and unjustly being denied their ownership of lands and their culture systematically destroyed not even allowed to speak their language ...
@@evoinception oh, but they certainly are allowed to speak their language. They have their own radio channels sending in Sapmi.
Actually 4 sir
You forgot
The first Europeans the neanderthal
i hope they do not have the same fate as neanderthals, any ways extinct species of humans were not in this research
@@evoinception they aren't extinct
I'm 4% neanderthal😀👍
Interesting. Thank you.
Thanks for watching!
Did the Sami have any contact with the Inuits?
There is no strong historical evidence to suggest that the Sami and the Inuit had direct contact with each other.
Does Haaland and Rooney have Saami ancestry??
this study did not focus in individuals you mention ...
Just a not-worth-much comment: the photos look a lot like those I've seen of the Ainu, from northern Japan. Looks don't count for much in genetic studies of populations, though.
It's true that visual similarities can be intriguing, but as you pointed out, looks alone don't provide much insight in genetic studies. The Ainu of northern Japan and the Sami of northern Europe are distinct groups with very different genetic backgrounds and histories.
Interesting.
thanks for your interest in topic ...
Another channel found Inuit DNA that traveled from Canada to Greenland to Iceland to Russia/Arctic regions
Unlikely. Inuit reached Greenland after the Norse (there was another older population but went extinct). If any Inuit genetics have reached Europe, it was surely in modern colonial times.
The chain is most likely started in Asia to (Americas) like Canada and further to Greenland. Where does Iceland come into your equation??
the specific claim that Inuit DNA traveled to Iceland is not supported by current genetic research.
An Arctic fox walked from Norway (Svalbard) to Canada (Ellesmere Isl.) in 76 days in 2018. It would seem easier with a canoe!
only diffrent is they not norse or finns of natives in scandinavia...probally more related with fino-ugric gene then germanic peoples before as finns had existed in modern russia aswell some supossedly germanic origins wandererd out in ukrianian steppes by mistake and later became know by 'gothic' which inluced herulian finno horsemen as belasarus had hidden against sassanid persian army fought at dara along with 2 squadron of hunnic horse archers had decieding factors beat the persian cavalery and their infatery massacred after
they also were the decicive factor when east roman army scouts failed to reckognize being horsemen they was futher away from the goth wagon fort and grazed their horse as roman attacked without western reinformecment and confident they won before the herulians charged them in the rearer and created a general route emporer of east valentine slained
ugric often more associted with modern day term 'mongols' or xigonu/huns as they left siberian thundra aswell be connection betwhen the finno-ugric ethnicty related origins
The connections between Finno-Ugric peoples and other groups, like the Mongols or Huns, are often more cultural or linguistic rather than direct genetic links. So, while there are interesting overlaps in history, the Sami's story is quite distinct from the broader movements of Germanic or steppe nomadic peoples.
@@evoinception well, its debatable...first was indo-ariyan nomads then xiongnu/huns( ungric in far east steppes but central eurasian 'white/red hums' is indo-ariyan but one later tribe came xyon that are noticed and wrote be having a diffrent and far east asian apperance unlike the ones of indo-ariyan as saka-skythians yuezhi palahavas in majority grouped reconquerd ariyan settled lands from greeks after alexander invaded creating kushana(silkroad by punjab by sea greko-roman mcherchant sailed via n8ile egypt as both enmies of parthia and kushanas not allowed enter nile by libyans first one mongol second on steppes had)
before the later modern term 'mongol' from an war confercy called kham mongol xingnu had as make kublai khans dynasnty higher and more legit than rest of chinnigsh lines without dissrespect temujin(chinggish khaan) as beside the mongolian surprises to learn they also use sanskrit as unfortunely not able to understand it althought sounds familiar....turkic also another and biggest etnichy/cultural before all became tatars as mongolians referd themself originaly before mongols or even knew of that word outside great yuan as kublai khan being facisanted of and wanted to became as chinese empoerer and more settled than other khaganates and why desputed him claim the titel of great khaan as not reckognized by nomads see it as betrayal and unaccaptable as not a nomadic khan and the civil wars betwhen them became more permanted state and offically mongolian(tatar) empires fall as not unifted anymore become seperated golden horde ill khanate and chaggatai be the four reckgnized khagnates insted...
turko-mongolian shamanism and tengri is based from saka ariyan/zoroastrain faith by mithras be skyfather and equal european woodan/oden zeus/jupiter in pathegon lesser under before kanishka converted before he fell in battle as he was offended han empire attacked make the silkraod unstabble and later after fall of great kushana ended silkroad trade betwhen europe and china althought still valubale trade routes as the khoresian citites begain flourish markanda/sarmarkand famously jewel and beloved by timur the great later
as cultural nomad way of life and war tactics and unmatch by any settled peoples untill gunpodwer age begain in 1600 as moskovy tasardome could defend citites from the raid of krimerian khagante last and protector under ottomans after ivan grozny destoryed and conquer all succesor khagnates appeard as golden horde fell
rituals such as kurghans and luxery items not longer be created for great chieftains and used as high pointed scouting as flat steppelands beside those created by men and the kuman found and death of jebe before subatai turned and charged them and kievan-rus princes(all 4 named mitislav the great-prince of kiev executed after and the brave was only survivor monty potyhon referens robin the brave based from...) kiev be destroyed as invaded for later a smaller outpost moskovy rival novgorod last rus ivan grozny line died romanov byzantine nobility after istanbulls fall tsars untill soviet after bolsheviks killed the royal famility and won civil war against the whites among lesser black(peasemt farmers kulaks(gulags named from) be non threating group for example beside mention
Most of this was already know but I'm glad that even stronger evidence is being brought about: EHG were Uralic (Finno-Ugric) speakers, a "watered down" (WHG-admixed) version of the original Uralics of Siberia. This admixture was surely patrilocal, at least largely so, with WHG (Paleoeuropean) women moving to West Uralic communities as the dominant pattern (that's why Uralics largely preserve the eastern N1 Y-DNA as dominant but show matrilineal and autosomal oriental DNA in much smaller, but noticeable amounts). North Russians are pretty much Uralics who became Russians by acculturation anyhow.
It's a bit ironic that the oldest surviving language family of Europe (maybe with exception of North Caucasian families) is one that arrived from East Asia but that pays tribute to the hardy and efficient "arctic specialization" of Uralics, able to exploit niches that other Europeans could not.
The border between Asia and Europe is a cultural border, not a geographic.
you make some excellent points. thanks
I don't think we can definitely use tems as Finns, Russians, because nations as we know them live few hundreds years, formed after Middle ages or even after 1800, while these migration processes go for thousands of years.
@@hgkghkhgkgh8378 - Fair enough but there's also a very ancient divide between West Eurasia and East Asia, which only the Uralics saved (only in the Northern latitudes) before the Iron Age. Well, the proto-Amerinds also did at an even older time in the opposite direction, it must be said.
@@ASAS-dn4ve "Finn" can also be understood as "Finnic" rather than "Finnish", i.e. including other related peoples like the Sámi (Lapps), Estonians, Karelians, etc. It's in fact an exonym given by Indoeuropeans.
In any case I didn't use "Finns" (rather "Finno-Ugric", a well defined linguistic family, the major branch of Uralic), and when I said "Russians" I meant modern Russians.
The pure Samis :ummixed .Are of the Mongloid race ?
Races are not too real. However all Uralics (and by extension most Indoeuropeans, who have strong Uralic admixture as a founder effect) have ascendancy from East Asia. The original Uralics became the Arctic specialists after the Last Glacial Maximum, migrating westwards and reaching East and North Europe (Norway for instance) in the Mesolithic. They are (ironically) the oldest ethnic group that survives in Europe (maybe excepting the North Caucasus?) and also were the first to use pottery in all West Eurasia (a concept imported from China, where it's oldest of all).
The Sami people are not of the Mongoloid race. They are an Indigenous people of northern Europe, specifically the Arctic regions of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia.
@@evoinception I know this. Are the Mongloid or Caucasian ?
@@The1ByTheSeaThey are from East of the Ural mountains, therefore Asians. And mongolian originally.
They are not indigenous people of northern Fennoscandia, as this video maker wants you to believe. The Sami people arrived pretty late to northeast Europe.
No, they aren't.
I am related to sami people myself here in sweden
you carry a wonderful heritage, thanks for sharing ...
Clickbait and old info.
do not post slanderous comments, there is a lot of new info , it needs an open and non discriminatory mind to understand, you are trying to derail the discussion ...
@@evoinception Stop virtue signaling, I live in Lapland and I can tell you today they are very respected culturally here. As are Meänkieli.
Just like our brittish colonial genocidal neighbours we were not allowed to speak our own language or practice our sacred rites, go raibh maith agat agus beannachtai ❤🇮🇪💧🌳🔥🙌
Sacred rights like taking slaves from Britain (like St Patrick) and invading “Scotland” and seizing land from the native Picts? (The Scots were an Irish tribe).
Well yall better team up with the brits now because theres a whole new storm sweeping in from the east that will do worse to you than the english evet dreamed of. ..
@@allangibson8494 "Rights" are are a principle, while "rites" are a ritual. Not being word police, I just thought English might not be your first language.👍
@@tinkerstrade3553 Treating rites like rights is a problem…
@@allangibson8494 Does that apply to Christians? As a Native American, my people have felt the yoke of assimilation, most often at the hands of the Black Robes.
Only those with rights are allowed their own rites, and all others should conform or perish. So says the Christian Book of Rules and Regulations.
It's obvious that the Sami culture is ancient. More ancient than the "Finnish" or "Northmen cultures.
It's disgusting that "modern" men walked into their lands and claimed that the Sami were savages who were not able to take care of their children.
They were perfectly fine till others came around....
it's the stupidest thing I've heard, they were and are overrepresented in child abuse
@@loke1555 Well, could say alot about that... like once human sacrifices was ok...
I know not anymore...
Culture differances may exist.
And there are certain things you see all over the world in less fortunate cultures. Look to America, Australia, South Afrika.
We could start an discussion on the topic why certain cultures are less fortunate.
But i think that's quet obvious.
@@loke1555 lol, wtf are you taking about? You just totally made that up.
No, scandinavians are the natives, as in this group is the first to settle here.
Sami are indigenious. The Sami are called that cause theyve been in the area for over a thousand years but was oppressed thru atleast 800 of those (since the end of the viking era basicly)
ill tell you cus i live in Finland.the modern day Sampi are not originals...as the originals were thrown off the land and dispersed along time ago by these new sampi who are Norwegian.so its norweigans looking for indigenous status. your welcome
While it is true that the Sami have faced significant challenges, including displacement and assimilation pressures, the idea that the "original" Sami were entirely replaced by Norwegians is not supported by evidence. The modern Sami population continues to maintain a distinct cultural and genetic identity, with roots that trace back to the ancient populations of the region. The Sami's claim to Indigenous status is based on their long-standing presence in these northern areas and their unique cultural heritage, not on any recent migration or replacement by other groups.
@@evoinception i never said they were entirly replaced. the original sami were called forest Sami.and the ones that came in afterwards dont consider the original sampi real sampi because here they lost their language and culture and now they are not allowed into sampi councils.original sampi were fishermen nor reindeer hearders.that came with the coloniser sampi.
That is just absolute horseshit without any evidence backing it up.
Lots of made up history now been seen as false by recent genetic and linguistic studies. Like all hunter gatherers, the Sami people are peaceful and welcome strangers. Only when you start to grow food on the land do you need to become aggressive, to defend your property and crops.
It is shameful what the southern Finns did to this ancient people, and they should make reparation of the Sami lands immediately, and rejoice in their cultural differences..
you have put it very well ...
Sami are direct descendent of Tartars.
The claim that the Sami are direct descendants of the Tatars is incorrect. The Sami are an Indigenous people of northern Scandinavia and have lived in regions of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and the Kola Peninsula in Russia for thousands of years.
Oh like the Germanic.
The Sami and Germanic peoples are distinct groups with different histories, cultures, and languages. The Sami are an Indigenous people native to the northern parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and the Kola Peninsula in Russia, with a unique language and cultural heritage tied to the Arctic environment. In contrast, the Germanic peoples originated in Central and Northern Europe and are known for their migrations and the spread of Germanic languages across Europe.
@@evoinception Sami also migrated, they migrated into Scandinavia 2000 years ago (Scandinavia being Norway, Sweden and Denmark although Sami is not in Denmark) they may have been in the area of Finland earlier though, Germanic people did NOT originate in Central Europe they spread from Scandinavia so the other way, they came from the area of Russia, went to Scandinavia and the to central Europe
@@veronicajensen7690you are right
@@veronicajensen7690 Who came from the area of Russia Slavic people according to genetics Slavic people have been living in the area of central and eastern Europe for over 10000 years.
@@evoinception The Runes were Slavic why in all Slavic languages German means mute because the Slavs had to teach the Germans how to communicate, it is only common sense.
I have this idea for a mockumentary about a fictive indigenous people living in Denmark proper. I think it would cause mass hysteria as people come out for and against the rights of this fictive people. I think it's a primal fear in all humans that the people who our ancestors took the land from will return and demand justice.
Creating a mock scenario could unintentionally trivialize these serious issues and the ongoing struggles of real Indigenous communities.
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thanks for your continued support to channel ...
"Please, please let me Finnish!!!..............ok ive Finnished".
this was not even remotely funny ...
Two minutes in, no mention of where the Sami are from. Because everyone around the world knows where this obscure ethnic group is from, right? 👎
The video focuses on highlighting the deep historical roots of the Sami people, who have inhabited the northern regions of Norway, Sweden, Finland, and Russia long before others arrived. The Sami are one of the oldest Indigenous groups in Europe, with a rich cultural heritage and an ancient language that predates many others in the region. The intention is to showcase their enduring presence and unique identity, not just their geographical origin.
@evoinception If your audience are wondering for two minutes into the video about a basic fact like where on earth these people are, you're doing something wrong. Frame your subject in the intro.
@@lotfibouhedjeur do not speak for all my audience , you can speak for yourself ..
@@evoinception Don't clutter my feed with your junk videos.
How old are you..? 🙄
Russia is not a single population, people living there have different cultures and backgrounds, same as francs, franken, a german tribe, dominated Gaul and other, there is still some negative feelings about french and french language, russians acted as dominant ethnicity in what is called today 'Russisn federation', also not everyone likes russians.
A curiosity: Ana de Palacio, acting in foreign affairs for Jose María Aznar, then with Sarkozy nuclear energy, the whole family had high school at 'Lycee français', has an A haplogroup mtDNA, Native American, their parent shares Y chromosome haplogroup, T1a, with President Thomas Jefferson. familytreeDNA Sample N55906.
They are not europeans.
Turcs are huns, as hungarians
Firstly, Ana de Palacio's family background, specifically the claim that she or her family have Native American ancestry through haplogroups, isn't publicly documented or proven. Haplogroups like A for mtDNA and certain Y-chromosome haplogroups are found in various populations globally, and their presence alone doesn't necessarily indicate Native American ancestry.Secondly, while Hungarians (Magyars) and Turks have historical connections to Central Asia and the Eurasian steppes, they are distinct groups with different origins. The Magyars are not directly descended from the Huns, although both have roots in the broader Central Asian region. Similarly, the idea that all Turks are Huns oversimplifies the complex history and origins of these peoples. Turks are primarily descended from various Turkic tribes, some of which have links to Central Asia, but they have a distinct history from the Huns.
@@evoinception The familytreeDNA sample key for mr Luis Maria de Palacio y del Vallelersuundi, older brother of Ana de Palacio and her late sister Loyola, is N55906, it was added, along with the password, in a comment to spanish language Wikipedia 'Loyola de Palacio' article somebody deleted, yes.
Y chromosome haplogroup of mr de Palacio, known as 'el marques' in URE, union de radioaficionados españoles, is T1a, I could add here the whole set of markers, but it are a lot; their mtDNA IS haplogroup A, consult Wikipedia or whatever you like for info about these Y Chromosome and mtDNA haplogroups
It will confirm my Data.
@@evoinceptionI never said all turcs are Huns, but the type of their language and their War Style are.
Same can be said about Hungarians, name does not come from 'hungry', but from 'huns', there is info in the web about how different nations in Europe perceive other: Russlans consider Hungarians as Huns.
Please read about what catholic church sources several centuries ago said about 'tartar', 'huns', also about the several turkish attempts to conquer Europe, they nearly arrived to Vienna.
Goths had a clash with Huns in Balkans while in their way to South from Dnepr area, until 13th or 14th century there was a Goth Community in Krimea, preserving their language and traditions, turcs attacked them.
While 'foederati' of Romans, Goths fought Attila in the Catalaunic fields battle, soon, Alaric, present in that battle, defeated the bloody spqr in Rome.
About the 'Otoman Empire' in 19th century and later, my interest ist minimal, besides their attack to Ciprus, promoted perhaps from CIA, the most stupid Intelligence Agency in the World
@@evoinception Luis María de Palacio, for a while he acted as Mormon bishop, older Brother of Ana and Loyola de Palacio, had a familytreeDNA tested, Sample reference is N55906. Y Chromosome haplogroup is T1a, mtDNA haplogroup is A.
You can learn about these haplogroups in Wikipedia.
For a short time, the reference N55906 and its Password were in a comment to the Spanish Wikipedia article 'Loyola de Palacio', somebody deleted it.
Conflict with reality is in the roots of psychosis
They wouldn't last a month in a city without being sick, city dwellers wouldn't last a day in their environment, so they will eventually be made extinct by the city onws in fear of them.
their culture and language must be preserved, some of it is already lost for ever, but seems no one is bothered ...
@@evoinception Are you morally consistent, I wonder? Do you feel the same about the Swedes, Danes, Norwegians, Germans, Dutch, Walloons, Flemish, French, Italians, Greeks, English... ?
@@jandavidson7093don’t all those groups have their own defenders and representatives? Who represents the Sami? Are you upset that this one RUclipsr is concerned for the preservation of this group?