A Smarter Super Saiyan - Dragon Ball Dissection: The Cell Arc Part 13!
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- Опубликовано: 22 апр 2019
- Dragon Ball Dissection returns for 2019! Trunks tests his new power against Cell. It doesn't go well. But not to fear! Goku has the answer. Are you surprised? And Cell decides the only way to test his power is to destroy the world because logic is not a trait Dr. Gero gave his creations.
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A true "Neo Red Ribbon Army" would be a bunch of short guys all wishing to be a bit taller.
apparently that is Frieza's thing now...
@@M3rtyville The key differences? Commander Red was going to just haphazardly wish to be taller, regardless of how natural it looked. Frieza just wants 5 cm because he wants to look like he's still growing.
Funny enough, a new Red Ribbon Army was one of the villains in Dragon Ball Online. They were called the Red Pants Army and were allies to Towa and Mira. To add more hilarity, it was revealed that Commander Red was one of their leaders, having been rebuilt as Android #9.
@@M3rtyville I hate that so much. It works for Red but not who is supposed to be a villain were supposed to take seriously. It also retcons his original wish for immortality. An entire arc was based on it. What they forgot about that or something?
Perfect Cell wanted to fight and beat Goku to prove his superiority, winds up technically defeating Goku, and then is beaten when Gohan shows up to help Goku in the last second.
So... yeah, that's pretty much Saiyan Arc Vegeta.
BlueMageDanny And in Namek arc anime filler, where Gohan inexplicably rage boosts to match 100% Frieza for a bit when Goku’s well-being was unclear.
And, completely ironically, Vegeta is the one to help Gohan finally defeat Cell.
Toriyama didn't have to ink Goku and Gohan's hair for many, many chps lool.
Don't mangaka have assistants for that kind of work?
@@Pleinair92 usually but as far as internet tells me toriyama only had one assistant for the entirety of writing dragonball
@@shenanigans8353 Yeah, and that assistant was noted for handling stuff like inking. SSJ's whole design is attributed to Toriyama wanting to make things easier for that assistant, rather than solely for himself like many fans think, unfortunately.
If Toriyama had continued the manga beyond the Buu saga, we'd probably see "Super Saiyan Invisible" down the line. A form where their energy levels are so high, they're bodies are invisible to the naked eye.
@@neobretsmith360 He would wish he had something like that for Cell....No one likes to draw Cell with all those spots...
How funny would it if Toriyama caught the M-17 mistake, and fixed it by having Cell hijack another TV station and apologize for his blunder. "Disregard my last message. It's actually gonna be on May 26, or as the cool cats say M-26. Sorry for the mistake, it just goes to show you even Perfect Cell isn't perfect all the time."
That sounds like a joke TFS missed
Glad you loved FP Super Saiyan. Its one of the coolest ideas and I wish it lasted longer.
It was a missed opportunity not to captize on that. Instead we just get so many more SS transformations.
I just wish they used it more often. I mean it's not like they never use it at all. However, you never see any saga after this one weather in Super Saiyan for extended periods of time outside of battle.
BTW, how's it going hipster frieza with a lightsaber. I've been a subscriber for years now, thanks for doing what you're doing.
Since it's the normal SSJ perfected, every instance of SSJ after is FP/Grade 4 SSJ. It's been there all along. We can't put any weight on minor design differences this is Toriyama, the guy who redesigns constantly due to forgetting or not wanting to do it.
Mistare has started uploading for the year?
My will to exist has increased tremendously out of nowhere...
He has uploaded before this video this year. He just did a video two weeks ago.
@@spartanq7781 I was talking about DBD, even though he made a Broli vlog.
"I admit. In terms of raw power you have me bested. My own strength doesn't even begin to compare. However, you still don't have a chance of defeating me. Not a chance in Hell." -Perfect Cell, DBZ Kai English Dub
One thing I like about Teen Gohan is that his hair in SSJ just looks like a less exaggerated version of Goku’s normal hair. It’s even smaller in base form but the design is the same.
Y'know, I was ready to disagree with you on Cell, but... Actually, he IS pretty bland in the original story. He's got some hilarious lines in the games since (he's hands-down the funniest character in both Xenoverse and FighterZ), but I think these days when people remember Cell they're retroactively applying his wit from those games and the TeamFourStar portrayal to canon when it's not really there.
People also tend to look at what Cell represents, what he causes for the characters, and hold him up based off of that.
Cell was created by the Red Ribbon Army, a villainous group from Goku's past. He was constructed from the cells of both heroes and villains from the past, possessing their techniques. In particular, Piccolo and Freeza are the biggest influence on his biology, while Vegeta and Piccolo are the biggest influences on his personality.
Goku is forced to bond with Gohan through training. Piccolo has to close the gap between him and God. The death of Trunks causes Vegeta to begin going down a more compassionate path. And ultimately, it takes Gohan ascending beyond Super Saiyan, Goku sacrificing himself with no intention of return, and Vegeta actively contributing to saving the very planet he tried to destroy to win the day.
People get caught up in all of those thematic and somewhat retroactively applied details without actually looking at Cell objectively. As in, because of all of those details they get caught up in, he's not really his own character. Just a bunch of other characters blended together on the frappé setting to make an obstacle for the heroes to overcome.
@@Trunks1stApprentice Well put.
He was kind of snarky, but not as much as recent years because of toriyama's writting style.
Yeah, TFS did so well with their series that a lot of moments and characters replace the originals in head cannon.
And devil artimus' portrayal
Vegeta DID freak out and launch the biggest thing in his arsenal: The Final Flash. It could have vaporized Cell, if it landed squarely, but took so long to charge that there's no way Vegeta could have used it in a fight if Cell hadn't explicitly invited Vegeta to take his best shot.
why not use the Raddiz tactics? Someone hold Cell and Vegeta blows him away with Final Flash.^^
That and if Vegeta wasn't careful, he would've blown up the Earth and everyone on it with Cell.
@@johnnygyro2295 And Cell most probably would've survived
@@Fuchsfeuer As much as he wouldn't want to admit it, Vegeta probably wouldn't be willing to fire the attack if Trunks was holding Cell in place, assuming he could in the first place. And Krillin definitely couldn't (though Vegeta would be more willing to kill him, probably).
But if knew Cell would stand still, and Trunk's assumption was correct, why not power up to Grade 3 and make certain Cell is obliterated? Either Trunks was wrong (although in DBS Vegeta does recognize the form) or Vegeta is an idiot.
Hi, hello, everyone. I am absolutely thrilled how excited you are to see a new Dragon Ball Dissection episode. But can we please stop acting like I've disappeared since December? You guys know this is the third upload I've made, right? That I just put out a new video two weeks ago? Just... just checking.
"Complaints" mean we miss you, and are too emotionally unaware to realize it.
We are just tremendously happy. Thank you so much!
i feel like the greatest quality of this series is that you consistently bring up points i have never thought about. It is this series that has rekindled my love for dragon ball and made me appreciate it in whole new aspects. I never really would have thought about the subtle details of goku and gohans eyes after leaving the time chamber. This is some of the best Dragon Ball content you can get on this site, and probably the best dragon ball content (alongside DBZA) you got when super was initially running, period.
Its great stuff
I'm waiting for the episode "Gohan Doesn't Belong Here"
Lol
It's coming later today but with a question mark.
I wonder ... did you post this comment BEFORE the episode literally titled that got uploaded?
@@Acerthorn Well, actually, yes. I felt that Gohan has been disconnected from the story through this arc. Similar as Goku was for the most of Frieza Arc. So I teased a possible title in reference to "Goku doesn't belong here".
"Cell is going to shoot his entire wad in one go"
-Mistarefusion 2019
. . . . . Huh?
@@ceecee6521 Lance said it in the video.
It is really impressive in hindsight how much Cell working for me really came down to Dameon Clarke's voiceover performance more than anything actually on the page.
Being Super Saiyan put maliciousness in your heart... let's do it 24/7! ;)
It'll make us happy
Super Saiyan is one hifl of a drug.
Its always feels nice to hear someone talk about stuff in the series ive found odd but no one else has been bothered by up till now
It is refreshing to say the least. I often think of things no one else ever does. Then to hear someone else bring it up especially in media I go thank you.
There must be an alternate timeline where Cell, upon reaching perfection, just chills out happy to spar with the ever more powerful Goku and Friends for the rest of his life and the Dragon Team just accepts him with open arms (he did kill less people than Vegeta after all). And then several years later when Babidi arrives Cell also fights alongside the good guys
The Goku parts just barely outpowering the Frieza and Cold parts, giving the perfect bug man a drive to improve while being more smug and sassy than any of the Saiyans? Definitely a fun alt timeline direction.
He's the only major villain not to return and/or become an ally. Even the Red Ribbon army returns twice. To which I say... good. It would not make sense since he is an artificial creation. Can Gero create fake souls? That would be quite a feat.
@@PathBeyondTheDark To be fair, he is biological.
@@InfernoCleric384 Souls are spiritual, not biological. You can be alive and not have a soul. Cell cannot have a soul since he is artificial or, at least that is what makes most sense unless the narrative explicitly says otherwise (which it hasn't, filler and GT don't count as far as I'm concerned). It doesn't make sense for souls to magically be created just because living cells were cloned.
You can also be JUST a soul with no biological component, as most are in the after life. In DB, your soul is all of what makes you, you. Goku only gets to keep his biological body due to special treatment.
@@PathBeyondTheDark He can use ki. Ki is spiritual. I think that's enough evidence. If he just used physical abilities, I'd concede that Cell has no soul. But he can use ki. Contrast this to C16, who can't use ki and thus has no soul. C17 and C18 were modified and can send Genki, so they still have souls.
Some folks treat Cell’s forms as separate characters, but I always saw it as just him getting closer to the complete him he wanted to be, more comfortable with himself, for lack of a better description.
On that note, I, like a lot of people, used to dislike Cell’s sudden “I’m gonna destroy everything if you lose” shift, especially since I’m sure our protags would show up to fight him regardless, but over the years I’ve brushed it off as “meh. He’s got Frieza’s DNA, of course he’s unreasonably evil”. And his moments of smug superiority and charm, however few they may be, are enough to make him entertaining to me...I think. It’s been a while. THAT SAID, I think I would’ve greatly preferred it if his goals went in a more unique direction, but we get what we get. And Toriyama’s gotta have dat villain bc this arc has taken forever to settle on one
Also I always liked how easygoing Goku was during this part, making the characters and audience wonder what he’s thinking; after hearing Cell is stronger than him, has he given up and just wants to enjoy the days he has left? Has he gone insane? Does he have some trick up his sleeve?
Obviously we know now, but I have comments to save for later. Until next time, keep up the good work! ^^
i think that is partly because the English Dub literally does that. He changes his voice and his personality (yes, in the dub he has a personality apparently. Something i don't recall Cell having).
+M3rtyville: well yeah ig but I was referring more to like how in the vid he said Cell didn’t like to be challenged before. That was before he became all perfect and egotistical. Much like his design becomes more humanoid, so does his attitude, I think
AH what a great start to my day! Almost like someone hit the 'restart' button on 2019 for me! Glad to have ya back!
The idea of cell just aimlessly floating in space is hilarious. Thanks for another episode!
I'm not a fan of the Cell arc as a whole, but I really like Krillin in it. He's been losing value in the series for a long time and having him as the representation of compassion is nice.
RUclips didn't send me the notification but I'm still here early because I clicked to see my subscriptions in the exact right time by total coincidence. That's nice.
My problem with the "bulky muscles = speed decrease" issue is in regards to Freeza. His final form starts off very sleek and lean, but once he goes full power, he bulks up to ridiculous levels similar to how Trunks and Vegeta do here. However, he suffers no speed drop. If anything, he's faster than he was before. His issue isn't with speed, it's with stamina, as he can't last very long in a fight. While I do like the idea Goku presents in this arc about the detriment of being too bulky, I feel that Freeza makes that whole point null and void.
CONTINUITY, WHAT'S THAT?
Lot's of stuff. How about you?
well, you have to remember that its his natural limit. He's going full power, just like Roshi. Every form below is like a suppressed state. Ssj grade 3, however, is exceeding your natural limit by forcing muscle growth.
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All of them involve forcing muscle growth and they all strain to bulk up, but that's not the point. The point is the fact that bulky muscles means limited mobility isn't a factor until it's brought up in this arc. And Lance also brings up a good point when it comes to charaters growing giant. As as for the Muten Roshi, he only uses his bulky form to fire Max Power Kamehamehas.
@@Gardetrace freezas muscle growth was natural as it was just him at full power. Trunks' form was him forcibly trying to surpass the limit of the ssj.
My points that the reason this gives limited mobility in this arc is because that strength wasnt achieved the same way, not just because they have big muscles. You can work to achieve Nappa's body type, but if you force those gains, then you sacrifice everything else.
roshi has used it to fight multiple times in super, though yeah, I think you have a point.
@Gardetrace It could be that Freeza's 100% state is more equivalent to Super Saiyan Grade 2 than Super Saiyan Grade 3. After all, it was only the latter that actually causes your speed to drop.
@N. N I don't agree with this at all. Pretty much all the forms and states that involve the user's muscles bloating up like balloons involve going beyond their normal limits. They're forcibly powering up beyond what their body can handle, and their muscles expand to compensate. The only difference is that Vegeta and Trunks are doing it on top of another transformation rather than with their base form.
Am I the only one that thought the later detailed SSJ look in the Cell Saga, was just a stylistic choice? For years, I didn't know that it was a new SSJ form.
I do like that softer art direction for the relaxed state of Super Saiyans, as well as how Toriyama makes it a point to show when they "exit" out of that mode after fully powering up by having their facial designs revert to that more serious visage.
Oh what a lovely morning for some Dragon ball dissection
It's funny that for all Cells claims of being the Perfect creation, his goals and motivations as a Villain after being one are as Imperfect as he is in his first form. (Which even more Ironic is where he was the most interesting).
I know right. Toriyama really didn't think far enough ahead. You can tell he was reaching to come up with a new purpose for Cell.
@@spartanq7781 I always thought Cell's motivation after absorbing the Androids, should've been to kill Goku, so he can really put use to his Perfect Form, then rebuild the Red Ribbon Army, maybe even trying resurrect Gero. That would've been more interesting than just wanting to destroy the planet.
About Vegeta having the extra bulked out form but not using it, didn't he get bigger while charging up his final flash? Maybe not anywhere near as big as Trunks, but maybe enough to still suggest he was aware of the transformation and just hadn't practiced it enough to go all the way. Even if not, couldn't it still stand that even if Trunks really did discover it first, Vegeta still took notice, scoffed at how useless it was and so never bothered training to do it himself.
As for excessively big muscles suddenly being a bad thing, maybe it's just me but that seemed to fit with past examples. When it comes to Piccolo's giant form or the Saiyan ape form, they don't just bulk out, they massively increase their height too and so retain evenly distributed body features. By contrast the only other examples of bulking out like what Trunks did have been Roshi and Frieza. Roshi only ever used the form when charging an attack but not for fighting, while Frieza loses his fight to a less bulked out Goku albeit the explanation then being stamina drain.
This is more or less what I was going to say, but better put.
I don't get why he didn't use the buffest form at the last second before he fired his Final Flash. After all, he intentionally provoked Cell to make sure he wouldn't dodge. Even if we went by the anime where Cell only admitted to buffest Trunks being stronger than Vegeta rather than themselves (1:02), it would still be the best chance Vegeta had to win.
@@IMMACYCLOPS: That was actually my point, because at least to my eyes Vegeta does look bigger while using Final Flash. Again maybe not as quite as big as Trunks, but I would hand wave that as Vegeta being less practiced at fully bulking out because of how he would have already dismissed the form for it's impracticality. Plus also he was already exhausted from fighting Cell and so simply might not have had the stamina to sustain full bulking out either.
@@IMMACYCLOPS Well he hits Cell pretty much as well as he could with that attack. It wiped out half of his torso (and nearly could have wiped out the earth if Vegeta didn't angle it right). Vegeta just didn't realize Cell would be able to regenerate from what should be a killing blow.
I mean, Zarbon got bigger when he transformed too, and his speed increased instead of decreasing. The issue is there doesn't seem to be any definitive threshold for when muscle or body mass has increased so much that any given person is necessarily slower. Without any real way to identify or measure such a condition, the issue as it's put forth in the Cell Arc feels arbitrary and random, and we're kinda left to guess at why some characters get slower while others don't, in order to make sense of that lack of clarity.
Love seeing goku in casual cloths
.... you're right. That is a Vegeta thing.
Everything. He does. Is a Vegeta thing.
"I must obtain my perfect form"
When it comes to characters getting giant and keeping their speed I always thought that was different to getting SWOLE and their speed lowering. Because as Giants they're basically just evenly scaling their bodies up, their proportions are still as they should be. But the Muscles in the smaller form where they aren't scaling evenly...probably are weighing more or are stiffer so they can't match speed.
And the matter of "What's the difference between Cell and Saiyan-Frieza Saga with huge muscles" artwise, that to me is a matter of that was the kind of art in battle manga during those years like JoJo's Bizarre Adventure (part 3) or Hokuto no Ken (which ended in '88) and it makes sense. And in that same vein Cell Saga happened when YuYu Hakusho was coming out and JJBA's art style starting to get slimmer. So being CHUNK was sorta silly. Toriyama despite being old fashioned and set to a specific style still sorta tried to line up with his contemporaries. I MIGHT BE WRONG THOUGH, THAT'S JUST MY THEORY.
Appreciate the Jiren slam. Fun Fact: Apparently Jiren was supposed to be a super over the top even more JUSTICE minded good boy than Toppo, just straight up a fucking Superman parody...but then Toriyama told Toei and Toyotaro he should be a stoic lonewolf badass with a traumatic past cause he thought it'd be cool. Old man needs to retire.
Except people still like that trope today so clearly he's not completely off.
@@fightingmedialounge519 though it did not end well for Jiren, I prefer when his mouth was shut. As for Toppo, he ended up being a complete hypocrite that truly only cared for victory, so anything he says about justice and the like is rendered null and void.
I figured the same. Giant-size Vegeta and Piccolo don't look bulbous and awkward like beefy Super Saiyan. And your theory about the art style might hold weight. Toriyama's first editor, Torishima said they studied Fist of the North Star to improve Dragonball's action.
Kinda strange that this portion of the Arc tries to put out a lesson that _Muscles aren't a Solution to winning a fight_ when the whole portion of the Z story is about Muscle guys fighting. It's something of a walking contradiction when you think about it.
In the Boo arc, Toriyama cuts Videl's hair because it can hinder her in her fights but then BOOM presents the Saiyan with the longest hair.
@@spyroG3 I thought that was more of a case of Gohan being awkward, rather than an actual fighting tip.
I sort of wonder about Cell being uninteresting- I always enjoyed how Cell is kind of like an accumulation of everyone's traits. Though I suppose the argument is whether he expresses them with as much interest as the characters he's based upon and if he brings enough unique good character to the table. I always thought the 'Saiyan DNA' battle instinct is what motivated Cell to propose a Tournament (as much as I know Lance isn't thrilled with Saiyans suddenly having a greater desire to fight as mentioned in his Freeza Part 3 video).
Love your attention to detail regarding the speech bubbles and plot components. Awesome video as always!
I popped off at the speech bubble analysis. Goddamn if Toriyama maybe didn't rush his work and was intentional....
Welcome back. I truly missed your content.
Isn't it weird how Trunks just gives up and tells Cell to kill him? Did he forget about his future timeline? He would leave Bulma like that when he could simply go back and kill the androids at that point
There's no way he could escape Cell at this point and he'd also failed this timeline, which he was sent here to save. Trunks is completely defeated in this moment.
Should still try.
@UCC_f-3HOmgUOFRNdD3Bhw0Q not by his own fault, everyone but him is silly
@@fightingmedialounge519 You can't blame him for giving up though "should have" doesn't mean he will.
@@Jdudec367 yeah I can. When you're whole character is rooted in fighting for thw future until bitter end, just bowing his head and asking for death isn't a trait that comes with that mindset.
I think MistareFusion might be dead. I haven't seen him upload anything for a few hours.
Great to see you back
I can't help but be amazed by your content. Probably the best analysis series I've ever seen.
I knew this was coming and I wasn't even mentally prepared enough.
Great to have this back!
Great video as always, I'm so happy that you finally came back.
Lets hope for a good 2019 with many uploads in it.
Seeing this was up made me so happy this morning :D
Ahhh, so great to enjoy a fresh DBD video! Just about every video brings me information I never knew or never considered before, despite how big of a DB fan I am. For example, the point about the inconsistency between the dating system. Great video as always! 😁
Yay! It's back! I'm so deep into Dragon Ball again with SDBH and Dokkan I needed a bit more of this wonderful and hilarious look at the manga.
Keep it up, can't wait to hear your impressions on the ending
I dream of the day when you're able to post a Dissection video once per week. I better go back and like all of your videos :) I should probably marathon them again, too!
I´m glad to have finally seen a new Episode of DBD in 2019, great that you are finally Back ;)
Thank you!!!! I missed ya so much, Lance!!! A new DBD episode is just what I needed in the middle of all my school work.
Anyway, as for some of the things in the video, I also always wondered why big muscles are now a bad thing, but I feel like the most rational explanation would be that, even tho the characters have been taking more and more steroids as time went on, the manga makes it very clear that SSJ grade 3 is far beyond the most jacked they’ve ever gotten, so to me it makes sense that such an extreme would cause them to lose speed.
Cell to me never struck me as a very interesting antagonist, and the fact that he had no motivation for being evil after achieving his perfect form is probably the biggest reason behind that. If the plan to get revenge of Goku had continued then this issue might’ve been resolved, but overall Cell needed a better long term goal for him to logically remain as the villain of the arc.
One difference of this “perfect SSJ” that quite honestly goes for everyone after this point, is the shape of the hair. Before this SSJ hair was drawn with really sharp, triangular shapes with little to no lines indicating the rest of the hair strands, with some exemptions mind you. Here however we see Toriyama progressively add more detail and rounder shapes to SSJ hair, before it became extreme in the Boo arc. Which is surprising, since he’s famous for always going for the easier route. I do like the old hair better, but it’s a nice evolution nonetheless.
That’s all I have to say. Looking forward to the next one!
8:44- I think a point is greatly missed when discussing Cell once he achieves perfection. Cell himself describes himself as not in it for being a conqueror out to achieve immortality, out of boredom with nothing else better with the added bonus of getting immortality like Vegeta or destroying for the sake of it like Demon King Piccolo. He's the villain that actually achieved his goal and now has to decide then what- sure the faces distorted in despair pleases him- but that's not his end goal. He wants to test the power he's spent the entire arc to acquire in order to see if his purpose as the perfect warrior was justified. It's a defined character that subtly becomes more prominent with each Android absorption until it's the thing that embodies his character. He's the narcissistic showman wanting to prove his strength and power- not......well, depends on which kind of Buu is at any point of the arc as the latter changes personality and attributes to absurd degrees.
Awesome video! I've been a fan for a long time, keep up the great work!
I love hearing your speech bubbles get angular when you talk about the angular speech bubbles.
I spent all day feeling down yesterday, and to wake up and notice I'd missed this is both revolting and healing!
Thanks for it all, great as always!
FloatDark Sphere yeah his videos are keeping me here
DBD, how I have missed thee. Welcome back!
i was literally thinking about you yesterday evening. This is some top tier content
Favorite dragon ball channel idk how you haven’t blown up
Perfect Cell was always my favorite villain for multiple reasons. His biggest failing is the exact same failing that Vegeta had. I love that while Cell has the cells of the strongest warriors but also has the failings of those warriors. Also while it was added more to from other medias, I love Cell's cocky personality to everyone. The fact he talks beneath everyone and even when he gives a compliment he still has to end it with him being the perfect being. IDK I find him more interesting than any other villain we've had.
Fantastic analysis as always!
Great stuff as usual.
Always insightful
Great video! I know this would be 1 but I really enjoy how you compliment the little things (even if is more Toriyama laziness XD)
RUclips, y’all better promote the homie. I need my fix(es) more often, and the weebs need to know about the speech bubbles.
I was hoping u would make a note on Goku's fresh casual jacket
I question when the hell did he get that jacket?
@@spartanq7781 that is also a very important question
I feel like Goku has a lot of casual clothes (and maybe formal wear) lying around that he just never wears. Chi-Chi has prolly wasted a lot of money on him
@@tiablue9106 Well he is seen with a variety of clothing options in some chapter covers. It would be bizarre if he only had his gi to wear for all occasions.
My boy is back with a banger
One of your best videos imo
You described exactly what i think about Cell as a character, it almost feels like 2 different characters before being perfect and after.
Damn you speech bubbles!!
This is me, doing you a favour. Keep up the great work!
One thing that always bothered me is that Vegeta didn't go Grade 3 for the Final Flash. It's just a beam you don't need speed.
That would have been smart. Since he goads Cell into taking it. There still would be the problem of Cell's overpowered regeneration ability.
This is why you're the greatest at reviewing dragon ball. When Vegeta has his back against the wall he launches his biggest attack. I love it
Great vid!
been waiting for this
LETSSS GOOOO!! I’m here and my body is ready
Oh, Lance, you've been gone for too long. It's so good to hear your voice
Ugh... I had a terrible night... what's this? An upload from MistareFusion? ... And just like that my life is immediately brightened.
I do like how Goku thinks of a way to better utilize Super Sayain. Instead of just powering up for the sake of power. That would be far better had it not been forgotten later on in this very arc. As then we get a new Super Sayain form anyway. Which apparently was the right way to overcome Super Sayain. In the case of Cell he had a relatable goal to improve himself. Albeit not in a way we would obviously. Now he doesn't know what to do so he dicks around for 9 days. Then would destroy the planet even though it defeats the purpose of him testing his strength. Since he would do that what is stopping him from doing at this point? I also do find it ironic and funny that this arc ties very little tp the RR arc. Even though the premise of this arc is the revenge of it's mad scientist. Who even he himself doesn't do much before being killed. Hell not even Goku the one it is directed at does really anything in this arc. He is even less active in this arc than he was in the Freeza arc. That is really saying something. You would think the main character would have something to do throughout the arc. Instead of only at the end of the arc. Two arcs in a roll.
I'd say the lesson wasn't really forgotten until the Majin arc. The form commonly known as Super Saiyan 2 now was originally more so just Gohan at full power, the rage boost he's always gotten since way back against Raditz combined with Super Saiyan. It wasn't really until the next arc that it truly became its own distinct form so that Goku and Vegeta could also have it.
@@EmeralBookwise Yea I didn't like how it is just a another Super Sayain form later on. It is litterly explained as a such just to shoehorn Super Sayain 3. A form that accomplishes absolutely nothing. I would prefer it if Super Sayain had one form that gets powered up. In a similar fashion to how they would become stronger in their base form. It would make it far more believable that the non Sayains can keep up. Instead of being soldy outclassed with no chance. It is a grievous misuse of those characters.
The "big muscles bad" thing wasn't an issue with the Giant Namekian form or the Great Ape form because their entire bodies grew in size while Future Trunks still has the same skeletal structure. It doesn't make sense that they can grow big (conservation of mass) but that is how it works in their world.
The thing is that Goku is the smartest fighter in the Dragon Ball series. However to do this, they made everyone else a lot dumber. This becomes even more of an issue when Goku becomes a lot dumber in DBS. The Buu arc proved that Goku knew what was a kiss and Vegeta knew that Goku knows what a kiss is.
Except the zarbon and frieza did the same thing trunks did.
In real world it make sense. 100meters runners are muscolar but not as a bodybuilder, they need more agility and speed, so less muscles and so less weight.
Awwwww I don’t want to have to wait for the next one!
Glad to hear you again!
Blonde “bombshell”. I see what you did there....
Just when I was about to go play in traffic on the highway, you posted a new video
14:40, a 5 year old forgetting people he met? Recalling people is tough. And yes, while one could say "A talking floating cat is unique", even if we ignore all the stress on Gohan's mind at the time, weird talking animals aren't anything unique to Dragon Ball, an Gohan had met at least 4 non-human looking creatures before the Saiyan arc's conclusion.
God, it's fun to nitpick one detail in another entry to a masterful and thorough breakdown on old manga.
I’ve never seen a video with 1k likes and no dislikes. It’s impossible to hate this guy. He’s so good at what he does.
So excited this is back!
Welcome back MistareFusion
I kind of find your description about what makes each villaim unique kind of funny since all the traits you listed apply to each villain to some degree.
great video as always
good analysis as always. have a weird feeling that at the end of this arc, you wont reveal your score for the cell arc until the conclusion of the buu arc, not for tension sake, but for the fact that the final arc analysis could be seen as a justification more than a review of that score, or maybe that's how the audience will see it.
regardless, great video as always.
My day was complete misery up until seeing the notification that MistareFusion had uploaded a new DB:D.
Now, suddenly, today is a great day.
We're finally in the best part of the arc! ...Where the cast basically just chills out for ten days... Still hype though!
Speaking about the pace I beg you not to let us wait longer for the new instalments of your manga dissection. :)
I've always said Cell is basically Vegeta 2.0. He's exactly what Vegeta would have done if Vegeta was strongest and git his way.
Nah I don't think vegeta would spare people like cell did
Love your videos lance
Thank you so much. I've been DBD deprived for far too long.
After listening to what you said about Cell, I find your assessment of his pulling ideas and beats from previous villains to be accurate and I agree that because of this he doesn't have much of an identity on his own. But I think this is the point and I think it works pretty well. He gets his perfect form and has all this smug arrogance just like Frieza and Vegeta, and the confidence of Goku and Piccolo when they are assured of their skills, but when he gets in over his head he freaks out just like Frieza and Vegeta. He's a melting pot of behaviors, reactions, abilities, and techniques. Think of how difficult that must be to control, even if you want to be the most calm level headed guy, you have Frieza, Cold, Vegeta, and Piccolo cells inside you affecting your behavior.
I think its cool that he gets to the point of seeming like in inverse of Goku, like a dark reflection, but then later we see that it's merely a facade when he's in control and when he's not, his true self comes out. I also like how this sets up a dynamic of Goku vs Gohan, their philosophies. Its like right here AT was warring with himself on what direction to take DB. Cell and Goku representing the old way and Gohan representing a new take, a new style of hero who isn't a battle maniac like Goku and all the others who also compose Cells DNA. We see that eventually he chose to stick with Goku, but for a time, DB had entered into brand new territory with its new protagonist.
The Goku vs Gohan stuff is shown in many ways. First is the fact that Goku isnt strong enough to defeat Cell. This is a clear passing of the torch moment. Then AT goes out of his way to say that Goku, through his battle maniac tendencies tends to recklessly cause more destruction, to even those he loves. Its like he's saying through this, that Goku's way won't work anymore. The end of the arc, literally comes down to this, Goku finds himself to be a dangerous influence on the planet, attracting all sorts of all-powerful ne'er-do-wells so he decides to stay dead.
The second aspect of Goku vs. Gohan comes down to the Cell vs. Gohan fight. Cell, being a dark inverse of Goku at this point, revels in testing his skills against powerful opponents and with Goku teasing Gohan's strength, he pulls out all the stops to get his dream opponent. Just like Goku, all he cares about is the thrill of a good fight, at least that's what he presents. But Gohan just isn't like that. He represents a different philosophy. The philosophy of a pacifist, taking up arms only when they or those they love are threatened. That is the Gohan philosophy and the philosophy of what DB might have become if he continued as MC.
Woo Hoo! A new episode of Dragon Ball Dissection. 👏😀
13:52 14:40 THAT'S OUR TORIYAMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......................................................................................................sigh.....................................................................
It's very sad to think about how no matter how hard Vegeta and Trunks train they can never master super saiyan because they have the closed drawn intense eyes no matter what. Yet another advantage for Goku.
CaptainSenchou can you tell me more plz
@@KINGKROSBYSKINGDOM it's just a joke about Goku and Gohan's eye shapes vs Vegeta and Trunk's. The mastered Super Saiyan form has them revert their eyes to the standard shape which are open and friendly where as Vegeta and Trunks always have the closed menacing eyes
I've been waiting mane.
I stumbled upon these dissections a while ago and even after watching them all, I have not at all figured out what your update schedule is! Take my like and this comment!
Something I realized is that most of the Games, Stories that aren't related to the manga or Fan mangas tried to do something Cell's character.
Let me explain this (if you're curious to see about it).
- You have Xenoverse and FighterZ with Cell's funny dialogues and roasts to other characters like Nappa
- In Dragon Ball Multiverse ummmm, maybe just the interactions Cell has with the Z warriors and other villains which are kinda interesting imo
And... *prepare for a walltext*
*Dragon Ball SuperSonic Warriors 1* (My favorite one honestly)
A what-if story about Gohan not being able to transform.
During the days before Cell games. Cell manages to meet Dr Gero.
The Cell games happens like in the original story until the part where Cell wants Gohan to get in rage, but doesn't happen so he defeats everyone, then he realizes there's no meaning of being Perfect if there's no one to fight. So only thing he has in mind is to keep his promise and summons more Cells junior to spread the terror... He decides to sleep to wait for an worth opponent.
Then the buu saga happens.
Cell has a fight with Buu and he accepts Buu is stronger... but he still wins, and gets the conclusion that if there's someone stronger than him which came from Space, then he could find other great opponents. he destroys earth and explores the universe for challenge that could test the perfection of his body.
(I don't want to mention others because most of them use this story as a reference, a base)
About Dragon ball Abridged uhhhhhh... I didn't watch it yet tho I heard its Cell is better than the original.