Who Invented the M16?
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Before serving as the standard infantry weapon for the US military for nearly 60 years, the M16 was met with skepticism and then failure in the early days of Vietnam. Since then the M16 has been used in conflicts all over the world and set the stage for the modern rifles now taking its place.
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Cleaning kits were not the issue. The Government covered it’s ass with that cop out. The failures of the M16 in the field were due to the manufacture of out-of-spec ammunition. Government cutting corners. Shocker. Even after the men of the M16 project advised against the use of surplus powders. Check out Ian’s interview with Jim Sullivan on Forgotten Weapons YT Channel.
I heard there was also an issue with the manufacturer using one type of ammunition in its tests and the government issuing another type of ammunition to the soldiers in the field.
@@slundgr THat's what he meant. More so it was stick gunpowder being used over flake. Stick tends to burn faster and a lot of the issues is what is called buffer bounce that the buffer was going faster than what is designed for so when it hit the breech it was going fast enough that it would unlock enough to move off the primer so the firing pin wouldn't hit it but not far enough to grab the round and eject it. Stoner told the Army twice between this and the Forward Assist that it was a bad idea and they ignored him and in both times he has been proven right
@@christremblay425 well said my guy!
Stoner and Armalite never gave a port pressure spec to Colt..The stick powder (4475) would not meet velocity/chamber pressure requirements when purchased in large volumes and the ammunition manufacturers refused to load large amounts to fill contracts.. Frankfort arsenal did do a limited test on substitute powders..Ball powder past the chamber/velocity test and all ammunition manufacturers were allowed to use ball powder.. It was later that Stoner was given a heads up about the use of ball powder and he stated he could not support it without proper testing but by then it was too late..Stoner was the reason the chamber and bore was not chrome lined, not Colt or the government..The FA was not or has it ever been a problem..Test have proven this..@@christremblay425
A big part of the original issue is the gun was designed for the DuPont IMR gunpowder which in testing performed as claimed with a super clean burn (and the original air force ones were this way, as was the early Army and Ranger test models), but the Army, having a large contract with Olin for WC80 powder, used that as the powder the ammo. It didn't burn properly, leaving the gun to gunk up (thus the need for proper cleaning kits) and created far too much gas buildup, affecting other parts. The DoD was aware of this issue, which is why they tested them with IMR during proofing before sending to the troops, who were using a different powder. Further the original model had a 1:16 barrel twist, the Military switched it to a 1:9 twist without compensating the other parts to the difference, leading to more powder issues and jamming. Later the Military switched the twist to a 1:7 but altered the other parts so they would not have issues with it, and used a new powder Olin created for the gun, so they wouldnt have to get a new contract
During my annual weapons training (Air Force) the damn brass flipped up and into my coat, and of course if managed to find my neck. I made the instructors laugh as I struggled to get the brass off my neck.
I have a star shaped burn scar from a blank round from a SAW getting stuck in my sleeve. Still there 20 years later
There is a pretty cool picture of Eugene Stoner holding an AK next to Mr Kalashnikov holding an M16.
When I was issued mine, I thought it was made by Mattel. Lots of LSA and I never had a jam. Same went for the M60. OIL!!!! Lot's of it. Anyway, fired expert every time I had to qualify. When I got out, I bought an AR15 - M4 style. Unfortunately, it wasn't made by Colt, but I like it.
The Mattel rumor is so stupid to me. Like read the side of the gun. It’s literally stamped into the gun!
My neighbor did 2 tours in Vietnam once attached to the 101st and once attached to the 25th he and most everyone in his company hated it and in fact when they took half tracks and armored dueces on convoy had m2 carbines and m14 stuffed under the seat
Screw the M16, I prefer M14
Screw the M14, I prefer the FN FAL😉
@@R.Sole88109 Piss on you. M-14's worked 24/7/365, not so much for the pissy M-16's.
it's back kick was not practical for most combat situation, as well as its heavy weight, less ammo, etc, not to mention on full auto it couldn't be shoulder fired. It was a good 7.62x45 rifle, but not good for the mission is was being used for at the time.
@@boondocker7964 I hope you're into scatology😉
Shit on you😂, how many countries did the FAL equip? Even on minutes spent fighting war alone the FAL has the M14 beat.
Don't get me wrong I respect the M14 especially the accurized versions.
But anything other than target shooting/plinking I'll take the FAL, G3 or even the AK47 over the M14.
But I'll take the M14 over M16 cos I've got a stiffy for 7.62NATO
But a M16 is better than harsh word and a mean stare🤬
Have a good'un👍🏻
@@boondocker7964 You sure? InRange TV mud tests whants to know your location
M16\AR-15 beats AK in reliability tests
Best rifle. Not as popular as ak47 because we do not sell it illegally.
The AK-47 is trash
@@davy3085 i dont think it would pass a european military inspection
@@acehernandez6617 Wow and people still use as it 🤦
Seen a picture of a IRA member with a m16a1 but that's it.
Glad I got to use the M16 before they started getting M4’s
Come on lol Eugene Stoner AKA “Armalite”.Marine Corps boot camp rifle range knowledge.
But I know that Eugene Stoner designed it but isn't the Armalite designation AR15 not M16?
@@R.Sole88109 Yes. It doesn't stand for Armalite Rifle either, but ARmalite. This is why there are shotgun designs from Armalite with the same naming scheme.
People will tell you that all full auto AR15s are M16s. They are idiots. It's an M16 if it said M16 on the receiver and it was a military contract rifle.
AR15=the design
M16=a particular adopted form of that design
M4=a particular adopted form of that design
I.E. AR15s can be full auto and not be M16s or M4s and vice versa.
Also, Eugene Stoner is not solely responsible. The general configuration of the rifle was Melvin Johnson's idea, the GAS SYSTEM SPECIFICALLY was Stoner, and Sullivan worked with both of them. Stoner was essentially program manager of Melvin's baby. He took Melvin's baby and made it not a recoil-driven gimmick, but a consistent gas gun. If you'd like to see this illustrated, look at the very, very early AR10 prototypes that don't have what we think of as the "normal AR receiver" style, and then compare them to the Dror. The resemblance is insane.
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 Cheers for the extra info, I'd never heard of the dror but a quick recce and I think you're onto something👍🏻
Just like most designs they're a team effort but someone gets the most credit.
Have a good'un🍺
@@R.Sole88109 Yeah. Nice to meet another dude who'll research! It wasn't satisfying to me that Stoner made the AR10/15 and then, before and after, his designs were much less impressive/ergonomically inferior.
Nothing in the popular conception of the AR's history explained it. That's what I found.
@@superfamilyallosauridae6505 Nice to speak with you too.
Time spent in reconnaissance is seldom wasted😉
I concur on your Stoner opinion, he wasn't a John Moses Browning was he.
Sometimes in life you have a good design at the right time and its difficult to repeat that success.
This video was okay. Left a lot of stuff out about the rifle. Checkout Larry Vickers book on the AR15. It started life in the Civilian World. Also watch the Smithsonian Institutes Interviews with Eugene Stoner and Mikael Kolishnakov.
I just like the fact that it can shoot 30,000 bullets a second from it's high capacity clips.
Is that in the media coined phrased semi-automatic mode?
@@jiml4987 semi-full automatic with a thingie that pops up to be precise
It is impressive how you can fit so much that is wrong into two minutes and nineteen seconds. Come on, you should be on your home turf with this subject. Reading the orange book would be a good start.
You missed the story. It was all ammo (powder) related and the KYA cover-up that followed. The gun took the hit, but wasn't the problem. Users didn't know this at the time so stories of "he was there and it sucked" don't mean much. Respect the guy, but he only knew what he knew.
There you go eh? The More you know!
The US Government is my guess
Eugene Stoner
Some say it's from a Filipino inventor named "Armando Malite"
And his design was bought from Eugene... Then Eugene took it as his own invention... I don't know if it's true...
We called it Jamming Jenny 😕
Everyone knows it was Johnny Emsixteen
Armando Malite was the Filipino who invented the armalite rifle. Also called M16
Nope, just an urban legend
Eugene Stoner.
The Rifle is not bad. But i like more my HK416 or my FN SCAR.
HK416 throws bullets faster than the M16/M4 series and has a better cool factor. More reliable.
FN SCAR throws bullets slower than the M16/M4 series and has a better cool factor. More reliable.
God protect our troops with advanced drone swarms.
"I took it apart, put it together, fired it dirty, fired it clean. And whatever the situation, the AR-15 did one thing with consistency: it jammed. Far more than it fired... It just wasn't rugged enough. It wasn't GI-proof. I made my report to General Cassidy and to his boss, the wonderful 101st CG, Major General Harry Critz. After going over all my findings, the two men agreed with my conclusions, and the official Division position was that the AR-15 was simply not an infantry/Airborne weapon... it was therefore an incredible surprise to find, two years later, that the rifle the 101st was issued to carry into battle in Vietnam was the shit-piece AR-15 down to the last detail, except that the new version had a stock and was called the M-16."
- "About Face: An Odyssey of an American Warrior". Page 434-5. Colonel David Hackworth, US Army [RET].
Al Gore
Y'all don't even mention Jim Sullivan? Might as well delete your video.
Many people died in Vietnam due to the weapons jamming..
Some half wit, that never spent a day in the field.
Armalite if I'm right.
Armando Malite 😂
Your Mom
Shit, refusal to work, dust, dirt, combat conditions! Reliability 0😅😂
Me puts mud into ak fire control group: Yeah, have fun.
@@Butter_Warrior99 I reckon putting mud in any firearm working parts and it'll fuck up but kudos on your AK mud test reference👍🏻
Have you watched the Polenar Tactical test?
Of course, its easy to determine that its russian in front of you - as soon as he open his mouth, he instantly lie.
Open InRange TV mud tests.
M16\AR-15 beats AK in reliability long time ago...
But крепостным don't need to know
Interesting that you like your own comment 😂
Pathetic
The M16A1, A2, A3 and A4 fixed the whole "Refusal to work" issue. If it really was a truly unreliable rifle then it would have been ditched after Vietnam.
@@troopergio Don't know about that mate, the British Army kept flogging the dead horse SA80A1 long after it should have been dumped like last nights turd.
It wasn't till Fritz unfucke it that it became half decent=SA80A2. Now it evolved into the SA80A3.
So be under no illusions about how much money the Gov/Mil will waste on shite. But the M16/4 became pretty reliable platform.