Xeno-(KR) | God Is The Cause Of Everything | Talk Heathen 06.09
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- Talk Heathen 06.09 for February 27, 2022 with Kenneth Leonard and @Student Doctor Ben.
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I really wish I was one-tenth as smart as Xeno THINKS he is.
I'm pretty sure Xeno does too.
Hey did you guys know Xeno is a programmer 😮 😂
Not sure if it's been mentioned, but Xeno is a programmer.
@@ExcelsiorUnltdhe’s also a big math nerd
I'm a programmer... We don't create something out of nothing, "blank space", like he claims... I'm always shocked to find out programmers, who are career problem solvers, have these type of flawed thought processes.
He must program without IDE, editor, compiler, OS or computer for that statement to be true. I don't think Xeno is a programmer.
I'm also a programmer for the record, and I agree
@@freddan6fly exactly! I know actual software engineers and they had to learn quite a few programming languages.
I doubt very much he is a programmer, if he doesn't understand this very basic fact.
I programmed my mom's remote for her V.C.R once ... that makes me a programmer right ? .... now im qualified to teach others how physics means everything comes from something therefore GOD .... Argument/ debate complete .
I wouldn’t believe a single thing this ignorant skinsack of buffoonery says.
My favourite quote: God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance. - Neil de G Tyson
That pocket. On a pair of jeans? From the Gap?
I just got off a god awful god of the gaps jape.
If you've ever wished really hard for something, God is the one ignoring you
I thought you might like this quote (which by the way was a real bitch to track down since I couldn't remember anything other then "god pun"): "If a person who indulges in gluttony is a glutton, and a person who commits a felony is a felon, then God is an iron." -- Spider Robinson
Xeno really doesn't like being argued with. He's not accustomed to debating with well-educated people who are capable of asking hard questions... questions he doesn't have answers for.
Xeno is misunderstood. He's not a programmer, he's a program. Much like the Jordan Peterson Word Salad generator, someone has written a script, the purpose of which is to simulate a human being absent a brain. Like artificial intelligence, minus the intelligence part
That describes the vast majority of theists.
@@brandontankersley8107 🤣🤣🤣
he's not accustomed to wiping the drool off of his chin, himself, either
This guy isn't here to have a conversation now. He's just blatantly here to say stupid shit, and waste everyone's time cuz he's got nothing better to do.
Um news flash and spoiler alert Xeno has never once intended to have an honest conversation since day one. That's why he's banned from calling into the atheist experience. Matt saw through his bullshit a while ago and wanted nothing to do with it. Talk Heathen is just too nice not to ban the village idiot that is "Xeno"
Exactly. When you have a caller as arrogant and as ignorant as this buffoon, it’s never going to be a worthwhile conversation, because it’s not going to be a conversation.
My personal highlight was him saying “as a programmer (for the 50th time) I can build a programme that built itself.” No, if you built the programme, the programme didn’t build itself. 🤦🏻♂️
@@Heathen.Deity. He loves to say that, and failing to recognize the irony in that.
A Creation needs a Creator
A Painting needs a Painter
A Reality needs a Realtor
A Leper needs Leperchaun
Shit needs a bull…..
22 minutes of word diarrhea
It takes a lot of verbiage to explain Everything...
@@johnd.shultz7423 then, as Einstein said, you don't know it well enough to explain it properly ("simply").
It's the "I'm going to rename something that exists as God therefore if you agree it exists then I win" fallacy
I like it. A lot.
But Ima need it in Latin.
Paired up with the tactic of "i hear what you're saying" as a brush off your point to keep moving you become invincible
The old defining god as a coffee cup and since the coffee cup exists, god exists. Genius.
The OLD Persuasive Definition Fallacy.🤡
Xeno thinks he has all the answers when he truly has no answers. He so desperately needs to be right.
I really love when these Christian apologist call into these atheist shows with a script and as soon as the host on the atheist shows, show the flaws in their script, they get agitated and butthurt😅
Xeno has no downloaded script, heard him several times. he is articulate, retentive, controlling, original, self taught and completley STUPID
Xeno even did a massive dumb by claiming that there have been gods before the Christian one. Pretty much heresy for any Christian church.
@@romankvapil9184 So?
@@deanmartin1111 If there were other gods before the Christian God as Xeno asserts, it renders the whole point of worshiping the Christian god moot when there are clearly better gods to begin with. Let alone conflicting with the whole, "God created the universe" bullshit. Let alone not adding up to the fact that all gods from other religions can't be true.
The Christian Doctrine entails that the only god to have ever existed, is the Christian one. No other before it.
What Xeno stated is heresy in the eyes of the Christian faith.
Xeno said he was a deist.
On each call, Xeno may cover half of the distance required.
But he never arrives.
Huh.
Nice.
This guy is absolutely insufferable.
Dude was straight up arguing from ignorance with extra steps :/
EDIT: I think Xeno has a chronic problem with saying he doesn't know things. So he creates these "solutions" and then starts arguing backwards why they *must* be conclusive without actually testing them.
Ben and Kenneth pulling that faulty way of thinking apart probably frustrated him and now Xeno realizes that he's probably not as smart as he thought he was.
Ah well, poor Xeno. Next! :D
@@Callimo He swore the odds in the gumball analogy was..."way more likely to be odd" in another call
@@trapjaw6818 This guys just a loose cannon trying to appear "reasonable"...
very likely fresh out of the bathroom,his intellect sharpened by a toilet bong rip....
I define god as this water bottle. I can prove this water bottle exists so now you have to admit you believe in god.
5 mins in, thinking this bloke has gone from pleasant to trying to control the conversation, then looked, Xeno. Been here before. So has Xeno and every chanell associated to the ACA.
It's why he was banned from AXP. He eventually just turned into a raging asshole when Matt wouldn't let him use his script.
Just think what an abusive partner he probably is.
These types of people love to surround themselves with even bigger idiots so they can feel smart by comparison.
His whole call is just a Black Swan fallacy and shifting of his burden. "I don't know of any swans that aren't white, therefore they all are," and "if you can't show me any swan's that aren't white they all are."
Xeno is as lost as someone can be. He has created his own logic, but cant seem to realize it.
That was painful. Kenneth and SDBen spoke with intelligence and Xeno never really heard anything either of them said. He was clearly just waiting for his turn to speak. Reminded me a little of the "ex-atheist" from Canada with several aliases. Word salad with no substance.
xeno I challenge you again. i will give you ten thousand dollars if you sit down and have a discussion with me about this. the moment you become condescending and rude or i demonstrate you're playing a semantics game to try and score fake points you return that money and owe me ten thousand extra. all it would take for you to get ten thousand dollars is to have an honest conversation, can you do that?
It's also a black swan fallacy. Everything I see appears to have a cause therefore everything right to the beginning of the universe has a cause
This is my evidence..... i just want to believe.
Ok go ahead... but that is NOT evidence.
Every call I see of Xeno he keeps refining his script and verbiage to bring out the most concentrated arrogance and smug ignorance that he can. I’m almost impressed by the effort. I’ve only ever seen this combination in the most die-hard of flat-earthers, and that’s a group no one should want to be favorably compared to.
Creationists...
Every call talks about him being a programer. Every call is an atheist who can prove hos redifined god. Evey call, frustrated but better prepared. I think he believes that god was created in xenos image
Theist you mean?
His 'evidence' was entirely fallacious. Simply seeing things that have a cause does not show that *everything* has a cause.
Yup, composition fallacy
@@DiMadHatter That, *and* a black swan fallacy
So show us an effect that does not have a cause.
@@walnutoil100 Show me a god
Xenophobe sounds and acts like darth dawkins / gary milne..... and it is getting REALLY boring and annoying.
Find a new hobby.
Brilliant foresight by Kenneth to define evidence at the start of the call.
uhhh....I'm pretty sure that brilliant foresight would have been taking another call. Zero is just an earlier manifestation of the same gushing fan boy that we now call A man?.....eeehhhhh, welll........ (emanuel) Zero is so desperate for his god to be unique and real and not acknowledge the fact that his argumentation is like trying to push a car with a length of rope.
"Let's not appeal to authority, let's use our own brains".
Why would we ignore what we know about quantum mechanics? That is just dumb.
If i can't play word games & try to redefine the meanings of things to suit my opinions im going to have a tantrum.
I'm confused... Xeno says that god is not conscious but when he talks about the Earth having a cause it seems like he's implying a conscious decision...
So, now Xeno is asserting that there were gods before the Christian God and demigods? Congrats, Xeno. You just rendered your own religion pointless. Or in the eyes of any Christian Church, heresy.
I am huge dungeons and dragons nerd, but even with that in mind he doesn't make sense 😄
Did he say he was Xian or is that just an assumption. I am pretty sure he said he was a deist.
@@grantwing4942 He likes to sometimes say that. But when listening to him in DD's server and discord, he's a Christian. He loves to hang around Darth Dawkins. So, I'm not even convinced he's a deist because most of the time, Christians love to use that kind of Presup. Dude's a known liar.
"Everything has a cause except the first cause & that's god" Is THE most vacuous,uninteresting basis for conversation imaginable.
So Xeno calls in, defines god as something which entirely useless to any actual discussion, and still can't really support that even that useless version of a god is real.
So, is Xeno gonna be banned yet?
Sadly the talk heathen hosts don't have enough of a backbone for that so probably not.
On the video for this episode I previously commented that I won’t be taking any more calls from Xeno. Other hosts are free to make their own decision when it comes to Xeno.
Did Xeno talk about evidence for 20 min and not bring up one speck of it?
Ben is so simply genius... what away to break it down and show how other variables can completely change the narrative. The court room method is flawed the same way it is in practice... people who are innocent go to jail all the time after standing trial for the same reasons .
I wonder how Xeno would respond to the following three ideas:
1) Simply because we are unable to demonstrate that something is impossible does not mean it is possible by default.
2) There are multiple things in the Universe that we absolutely cannot assume were created. There was a lot of talk about gravity in this call. How do we demonstrate that gravity was created. Chicken eggs are created from proteins & other chemicals inside a chicken's body reacting with each other: that's the process by which chicken eggs cone into existence. If we discover a new egg-laying animal, before we even study that animal, we would not be wrong yo hypothesize that these new eggs are formed through a similar process. But what do we have that is similar to gravity & already existed at the moment of the Big Bang? How can we be certain that gravity was the result of a process & not something that has existed eternally?
3) Identifying the "first cause" you regret to as "God" is a personal linguistic decision & nothing more. Let's say we agreed that the kind of first cause you are defining is possible, or plausible, or the exact way that things went down. Now what? We name it? Ok, you name it "God" and say "God is responsible for everything." But I fon't agree to name it "God". I want to call it "Satan" and say "Satan is responsible for everything." Am I equally correct as you? What if I named it "Tony Stark" and said "Tony Stark is responsible for everything"? What then?
Say you point to the Universe and say "God is the cause of all this" but I say, "No, a Cosmic Pile of Crap is the cause" and the only difference in our hypothesis is the label we put on the cause of reality. How would your hypothesis prove God at that point?
Yes, thank you for hanging up....Xeno is a waste of time.
Xeno: "..Let me play Wordgames.. wohoiiiii! Therefore God!.."
*facepalm*
Xeno: “I would challenge you guys to go a little further.”
I would challenge Xeno to learn some basic logic.🤡
Xeno, man have you figure out probability in Gum ball argument yet? Because if not I have a suspicion that you are the one that programed Truth social app :-D that cannot launch sadly because bad programmed :-D
Yeah I think this show and other ACA shows serve the purpose of teaching people how to JUST ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION. Seriously, why is it so hard for people to interact honestly without diverting and dodging.
Because the whole goal is to convince you a figment of their imagination is real. Can't get there with honesty...
@@nagranoth_ exactly.
Instead of getting on with the evidence, here we are yet again discussing the meaning of words....
Tiresome.
Perfect way to end the call - showed the caller about as much respect as he was giving the hosts.
Exactly. Over 22 minutes of this bumblenugget talking on and on in his pseudo-intellectual way, while not once answering any of the questions put to him, yet he has the cretinous audacity to say the hosts are being defensive. Xeno, the hosts are just batting you round like a ball of wool.
idk, i was curious HOW he was going to answer the Russel's Teapot (that apparently in his mind is "like a planet" [21:37])... Especially since he had just said he COULD "disprove" it (21:25)! :-s
Just say no to drugs kids
Or in Xeno's case say yes to the correct drugs.
Hey now, drugs are awesome. One can be a skeptical atheist while on drugs like me :)
Programmers. Not all of us get that God-complex this guy seems to have. I had a time when I was working with 9-dimensional arrays; never swelled my head a whit. Chill, dude - you're sittin' at a desk, cuttin' code, b'y. U ain't creatin' squat alongside what's real.
No, sorry. He literally creates worlds. From nothing.
He wrote the code.
Did he build the electric generator?
Did he refine any of the metals?
Could he build a chip? (Or a machine that can build a machine that can build a chip?)
No. But once millions of others had handled those details...
His character strings made worlds.
Literally.
@@brucebaker810 Virtual worlds. Literally. Physical worlds? Not as such.
This guy really loves his black swans
Everything around me is the result of a manifold of cause from my perspective. A relativistic observer other than me certainly sees a different manifold of cause. Further, I am aware of nothing that has one and only one cause. According to the proposed standard then there is no singular cause as an origin for everything (disregarding the black swan fallacy).
"I hear you"
Then you're not listening
"I understand"
You demonstrably don't.
Do you know what words means?
Xeno is the classic definition of the Dunning Krueger effect.
I bet you he is not in South Korea, but whatever...
Xeno: "The god I believe in is the unconscious cause of everything"
What's the actual point of calling that god? Science will never call that god because the word god comes with MASSIVE baggage.
This guy is very clearly a Darth Dawkins disciple. This is verbatim the same kind of shit he pulls. Slightly less aggressive, but the tactics are virtually identical.
They are very different. This guy is a deist. DD claims to be a bible believing christian. DD starts with there being a necessary grounding for all of reality. Xeno argues his god is just the first cause, and not necessarily even an agent. They are not the same argument. Xeno is not using the presup script.
Zeno doesn't know he is a ridiculous clown, and he will never know.
This call went on over 20 minutes and I still have no clue what Xeno's point was.
He wants there to be a god. That's it. Everything else he does on these calls is desperate attempts to trick people into stepping into redefined crap, so he can pretend he won.
People don’t always HAVE a point.🤡
The words:
1. Create
2. Assemble
3. Cause
Are not 100% synonymous with each other.
You guys really fucked this up. You're letting him conflate "cause" with purpose and intent, and letting it slide. Yes, the Earth and the lifeforms on it came about because "x, y, z" happened, but there's no evidence that "x, y, z" were purposeful. You touched on it toward the end, but only for a second, and it's the biggest flaw in his argument.
When ego (self-importance, the need to be admired) gets in the way, the exchange of ideas becomes meaningless. The subject matter appears on the table so I can hear myself talk. That is a royal waste of time. When this happens, the conversation should go from the mystical to the psychological: Why some people need to step on a pedestal, to show the world how important THEY are, and not how relevant the subject matter is.
Jesus, with this one one on the left this is better as a podcast.
What Xeno calls god is, as far as I can tell, not trying run any ones life. It doesn't have people telling em what I can do, there for Xenos god is of no interest.
Xeno is asked a question, gets the question wrong, is told his answer is incorrect, is given the correct answer, then proceeds to say he wasn’t wrong. I think his problem is the inability to say I don’t know, or I was wrong. It’s a huge leap when ego is at play to admit shortcomings when your entire world view depends on you being right. Hopefully this dude can move past himself and gain some clarity.
He's not a programmer, if he were, he knew they dont create anything out of nothing, they use tools already available to create solutions using those resources already there for them
Lol so tired of xeno why doesn't he get blocked
So he's claiming to know the unknown
If the caller were a programmer, he would know that programmers won't create from "blank space" but use an exhisting languege to intruct devices to do things.
Plus there's a whole global infrastructure.
The problem with this guy is that he made his own definition of god and then argues against people that don't have the same definition that they are wrong to tell him that god doesn't exist.
To be fair thats what most xtians do, their own personal interpretation of the bible is the correct one & everyone else is wrong. 🙄
You know, daft as it seems, I can almost sort of see what Xeno means.
Yes, it's perhaps useful to some people to give whatever did cause the singularity to expand 13.7 billion years ago, some sort of "label", but it then maybe has the potential to become confusing, as some might then give it the "baggage" of a diety with powers and the need for worship and reverence etc, which I for one, certainly feel it doesn't need and never has.
There may in fact have been a "force" that kicked it all off, or perhaps the singularity just somehow grew enough to need to become the Big Bang etc, but I certainly don't think it needs us to queue up each Sunday to kneel down to it in a draughty old church and sing ridiculous "yea verily" songs anymore. And hopefully it also does not need us to carry on the truly immoral, idiotic, horrific, inhuman, mafia boss, sky daddy crap that thankfully daily, less and less, but still enough of these deluded nutjobs, think we all should.
Ok so everything needs a cause. What caused the god he believes in?
He is saying a whole lot of nothing. Seriously everything he says is baseless.
Xeno can't understand basic definitions and explanations.
He doesn't understand this.
My evidence? It's transrational, you don't want to learn, that's why.
What a joke.
When theists can't win any ground with blank assertions, they turn to terminology policing and trying to disqualify the opposing side from presenting any arguments. It's cheap and pathetic...
, they turn to terminology policing and trying to disqualify the opposing side from presenting any arguments. It's cheap and pathetic... - You cant win with atheist blank assertions
@@walnutoil100 was my description not what we just witnessed in the video?
Where do you disagree?
Calling my statement a "blank assertion" is exactly what a blank assertion is...
To the caller:
I am god. Worship me.
I created the universe.
🤭🤭
People can't disprove that claim either! 👌
@@irrelevant_noob They can.
@@afroatheist-isnowafroantit6154 huh... how could they?! o.O
@@irrelevant_noob 😭😂🤣😮💨
I tried listening to this but quickly had enough
We call something a dog if it meets our common understanding of what a dog is, based on a certain set of traits.
By similar reasoning, we would not say the ultimate non-conscious cause of everything is a god, because it doesn't meet the common understanding of what a god is.
But a dog is a category, not an individual. If we're talking about "God" instead of a god, it would be more like we're discussing whether Mickey Mouse's pet dog Pluto exists, and you come along, and say you Pluto exists because you have a cat which you named Pluto, and that cat exists. Like, okay, cool story, but that doesn't really have anything to do with what we're talking about, and you're just confusing the discussion.
"You're fucking this up right and left. You fucked that up so fast, you're like the Usain Bolt of fucking up right now."
Holy shit. This had me dying 🤣🤣🤣
So confusing.
Everything you need to know about xeno can be summed up in the last part of the call.
"what is Russel's teapot, explain that to me."
"It's a planet. it's supposed to be a planet. there's a teapot that can't be proved."
"you f*cked that up so fast"
"I did not f*ck that up."
He has the terrible attitude of "I'm always right, even when I'm wrong, I'm still right." Which leads to extreme closed mindedness and malignant narcissism. He thinks he's smarter than everyone which is why he doesn't listen, he's also pretty dumb which is why he can't explain anything he's trying to talk about.
"God is the cause of everything. So that means YOU have to believe in the god that I believe in. You have to listen to me and never question anything I say. You have to do what "I" tell you to do and live your life the way I tell you to live, hating all I tell you to hate and loving only those I say you can love. And you have to give me money." "Because my god not only caused everything but my god also put ME in charge over you and your life. Praise my god!"
Demonstrate that anything has ever been created.
As far as we can tell, to my understanding, everything we've ever observed has been formed from previously existing matter/elements.
Name one thing that has been created.
None of this actually works though. From everything that we know, and we can only go by what we can tell, the physical laws of our universe came into effect at the same time as the universe itself. Therefore, you cannot use those physical laws as justification for something that, by necessity, preceded it. How does Xeno know that causality is even a thing, prior to causality? This is the same answer we give to any theist trying to do the same thing. You can't apply the laws of nature to a time before nature existed, any more than you can apply the laws of the United States to people in the 5th century. Now, ask them to justify their position without using the underpinning that they can't demonstrate was present.
They fail every time.
🥱🥱🥱🥱😑😑😑 This is boring. Xeno likes to hear himself; I’m ok with not hearing him.
"Can we all agree that if we had a time machine and went TRILLIONS of years back, we'd be seeing some crazy stuff."
Yup. Xeno is definitely not nearly as knowledgeable about the universe as he'd like to think he is. 😂
Xeno. Appeal to Authority isn't a fallacy. (It's often a good idea.)
The fallacy comes from Appeal to *Insufficient* Authority.
Hmm. Can I come up with a handy example, Xeno, of insufficient authority?
I think I can. ;-)
His definition of god is something that caused reality. That doesn't necessarily have consciousness. So his definition is meaningless as he is just pasting a label on anything that may have caused reality.
Reality as we know it an endless loop: god
pixies that fart universes: god
Cosmic creator (abrahamic god, brahma, coyote, whatever): god
multiple universes/dimensions/whatever: god
I find it difficult to talk with someone when they are trying to drive the conversation in different directions. Then again, I like to be as a question.
God is responsible for creating everything!
And also there were gods before him!!
Figure that out for me please
When you feel the need to start of your evidence by overtly accusing the hosts of having the wrong mind, you already know you don't in fact have evidence. Actual evidence doesn't need preamble, it's just objective facts that point to one conclusion over all others.
So... the first nonsense he tries to push is that _trying_ to provide evidence is evidence by itself. I'm already done with this dude...
His second nonsense he tries to push is redefining what a god is. Suddenly it's not a supernatural being anymore, it's whatever is the "first cause" even if that's completely natural. This is pure dishonesty...
Guy with the Himmler haircut: the number of variables in Newtonian descriptions of gravity does not change when experiments are moved to space. Get used to it. [ps Medical students are rarely scientists, and you are obviously not one.]
Xeno reminds me of a good friend, also a programmer, who thinks he's always right because his way of thinking is too logical 😂😂
Dunning Kruger effect on display.
Spontaneous expansion of mass-energy and space-time with a total velocity of 0. Nothing needs to give a push because it can literally push against itself.
The Universe is the Prime Mover candidate that we can demonstrate exists.
Programmers dont create out of blank space by the way, they're using a computer with software, etc, that's like saying if I write a novel I've created it out of blank space, it doesn't wash. Over used my mind & some sort of material object to create it. I didn't just poof it in from nothing.
All things denote there is a God. I can use virtually anything as evidence there is a God. The existence of God does not depend on convincing an atheist of anything. If atheists want to say they do not believe in God, they are free to do that. We have freedom of religion in the United States.
If you have to use so many qualifiers: "I think", "For me" and vague definitions that aren't exclusive to what you're trying to prove, you can provee everything and nothing at the same time.
He’s literally got a script. This is the same fool who admits that his god doesn’t exist under epistemological scrutiny, and can’t be detected, can’t tell us any properties. Therefore his emotional appeals to “well you can’t know anything” means his feelings are facts.
All this caller does is beg the question and attempt to make comparisons to which there is no other example.
He tries to use the concept of a programmer to explain the origins of the universe without first acknowledging that he doesn't even have multiple universes to compare and contrast to. He makes baseless assertions and clumsily throws in the WatchMaker fallacy when he has no rebuttal.
"God" is a very specific word that is used in regards to the supernatural, it's not as mundane a description as saying a dog or doorknob.
Jumping to conclusions without any justification as to how to rule out other potential causation methods for the universe is dishonest at best.
Xeno's definition of god is worthless anyway. Defining it as the cause of the universe is the same as defining a cup as god. It doesn't help explain the cause of the universe and it is such a broad definition that it means nothing to be god.
This made no sense. The beginning of the universe has a name "the big bang". The definition of God he proposed had no aspects. You know , the "Omnis", without these aspects the word God is meaningless.
Xeno… you carry so much nonsense into your argument. Ultimately, you do not know. You know nothing. You are calling nothing God.
He can't be a Deist and then acknowledge other gods, that'd make him a pandeist
Calling from the Orient.
Kung Fu Pandeist?
Believes in multiple gods. But none currently active.
So all the multiple gods have f'd off. Or hide n seek.
Ha. The multipile gods...
Every single time a combustion engine runs, it uses gasoline.
This does not mean anything outside of the engine requires gasoline. It could.
I'm a dyslexic atheist -- I don't believe in dog, Santa, or angles.