Drinker's Chasers - We've Become A Culture Without Heroes
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- Cinematic heroes used to inspire generations of audiences to be better, stronger, see further and do more with their lives. But what happens when you take those heroes away? What's left?
"Fairy tales are more than true - not because they tell us dragons exist, but because they tell us dragons can be beaten."
G. K. Chesterton
Thanks for sharing that
Chesterton! Heck yeah bro
💯💯💯💯💯. Sooooo true
He is a gem that some people want to be kept hidden. When was the last time he was referenced aside from the Sandman series on Netflix?
I sent this to 4 friends and they will all love it..
I loved in Avengers when Agent Coulson tells Cap he has his uniform. Cap asks if the Stars and Stripe are a little "old fashioned". Coulsons reply is epi... "With everything happening, with what is about to come to light, people might just need a little old fashioned". Its about why we need heroes.
If only the general public could learn to turn AWAY from all of the corporate sellouts and corrupt Hollywon't cronies. There's some incredible independent work in every corner... if people only bothered to LOOK.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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-- Diamond Dragons (series)
@@Novastar.SaberCombat "if people only bothered to LOOK"
But that's too hard. /sarc
I thought he was talking about the whisky cocktail.
"If it's all the same to you..." 😅
What they did to Luke Skywalker is unforgivable.
You mean the Disney Luke Skywalker.
Sequels aren't canon.
That was it for me. There was no reason-and really, it made no damn sense-for Luke to go from his hero's journey to being like a sad old drunk on an island. What terrible desecration of a great young hero who found his power.
bit of a humble brag here but the second he threw the lightsaber over his shoulder in TLJ, I knew Star Wars was over.
@@SliderFury1 I thought it was a "there is more to the Force than swinging a lightsaber" -moment... nope
Popular culture is trying to excuse evil. Villains aren't evil anymore. Now they're just "misunderstood." Without evil, there is no need for heroes.
It used to be 'I want to be like the hero on the screen', now it's 'I want the hero on the screen to be me'.
EXACTLY
PRECISELY and we're all the worst for it. 😫
If you give a boy a Batman action figure, *his version of inserting himself in the fantasy involves him taking on Batman's skills* (Gagets and fighting), demeanor (no or controlled fear), and mission (the responsibility to find and stop bad guys) during play.
If you give a girl a Batman action figure, *her version of inserting herself in the fantasy involves her altering Batman's costume,* and then doing whatever she wants (shopping, finding a boyfriend), presumably while Gotham is on fire. Inspiring the question "Why did you want to be Batman?"
In short, the boy becomes Batman (in his play), but Batman becomes the girl (in her play).
And before I'm accused of being too harsh, note that the downward trend of hero movies, written and directed for (and often by) women nowadays, have *female characters whose main struggle is being **_recognized_** (heard),* and not for being heroes:
Before:
Spider-Man: "My uncle passed because I was selfish, but..."
Iron-Man: "My military sales ended up in the wrong hands and hurt Americans, and..."
Thor: "I'm King and I say we break this peace because I love to fight, but..."
Pete "Maverick" Mitchell: "My best friend passed because I couldn't control my impatience, so..."
Jessica Jones: "I tried to be a super hero and got intimately assaulted my first time out. I have never fully recovered, but..."
Daredevil: "Justice is blind, and..."
"...WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY..."
But now:
She-Hulk: "Why should I have to be a hero when I have to deal with cat-calling?"
Captain Marvel: "My only weakness is men holding me back!"
Jane Foster's Thor: "I'm only doing this because if I don't, I'll pass away."
Scarlet Witch: "I lost my boyfriend, so I can take over people minds and don't have to be an Avenger anymore. My happiness is all that matters."
Queen Valkyrie: "I _should_ be queen, and there are a lot of things I'd change around here..."
"WE ARE COMPLETLY EMPOWERED, BUT RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN NOTHING"
Bonus:
Pepper Potts (Iron Man 1): "Tony, don't be Iron Man."
Pepper Potts (Iron Man 2): "Tony, don't be Iron Man if you want to be with me."
Pepper Potts (Iron Man 3): "Tony, there's no more reason to be Iron Man."
Pepper Potts (Infinity War): "Tony, don't go back to being Iron Man."
Pepper Potts (Endgame): "Tony, the Avengers can stay for dinner only if they don't try to talk you into building a time machine to get everybody's life back."
Pepper Potts (Endgame): "He _was_ Iron Man, but now _I am,_ and he can rest now."
jordan peterson talks about this too
Everything is feminized. When playing, on average Boys want to be Batman, but girls want Batman to be them. It's a well known difference between the sexes.
This explains why Anime is crushing it right now. They still tell hero stories.
Yup
You got it! Contrast hollywood with Shonen Anime/Manga (for HS boys). Almost all the franchises have young males that are following the heroic path. My HERO ACADEMIA I think best represents this. Protagonist has to fill his hero's shoes in the book. Good theme.
^ This!
Reflect, oh, sentient ones. Recite the hex of final vows.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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-- Diamond Dragons (series)
Japan has a very strong sense of what honor and courage is and they aren't bending quickly to the DEI/ESG/boss-girl tropes. I have zero tolerance of forced woke propaganda in my entertainment and have w/o deliberately trying to I'm watching only Japan made shows during the last several months.
Modernism teaches "You're perfect just the way you are." There can be no growth, only stagnation.
Yup, there's ALLWAYS room to improve yourself
Indoctrination in "equality" automatically eliminates the most logical and effective reaction to failure - "How do I do better next time?" - because "better" contradicts the dogma. If you don't have an equal outcome with the other guy, it can't possibly be because of any shortcomings in merit, character, or effort. It _has to_ be because he oppressed you and took what's yours - even if you never produced anything worth taking.
Modern philosophy is horribly demeaning.
Human beings are capable of great nobility. It's sad that we've lost that view.
It starts when they are young, and being told "You are a perfect unique snowflake, just the way you are."
The person who believes s/he doesn't need to improve will be the fodder for those who know better.
This is Art of War 101: destroy all icons. Muddy morality.
But heroes rise regardless of social engineering:
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
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@@Jadty Oy vey
So the pendulum swings, now violently, now slowly; and every institution not only carries within it the seeds of its own dissolution, but prepares the way for its most hated rival.
William Ralph Inge
"Democracy and the Future" The Atlantic Monthly (March 1922)
Communism and Religion
Abolished - all religious and metaphysics is rejected. Engels and Lenin agreed that religion was a drug or “spiritual booze” and must be combated. To them, *atheism put into practice meant a “forcible overthrow of all existing social conditions.”*
Step one of the "Four steps for Communist Ideological Subversion" (Yuri Bezmenov, 1985)
Demoralization - this is a process which can take about 15-30 years to perform (a generation). During this stage, the moral fibre and integrity of the country is put into question, thereby creating doubt in the minds of the people. To do so, manipulation of the media and academia is required to influence young people. As the younger generation embraces new values, such as Marxism and Leninism, the older generation slowly loses control simply through attrition. Again, true facts no longer matter during this stage, but rather creating perceptions are of paramount importance.
Eliminating American exceptionalism, fundamental change of national identity, structural deconstruction of foundational principles, elimination of religion. Embedding a new societal design upon the psyche of generations through ideological academia, peer pressure by elites upon academics and society to convince that prior values were inherently flawed, racist, prejudiced etc. National identity is diluted with aspersions toward historical references. National History is re-written, re-defined, and molded to fit the new intended behavioral model and create the new values.
ART=HISTORY (Figure it out.)
Reverse psychology is a technique involving the assertion of a belief or behavior that is opposite to the one desired, with the expectation that this approach will encourage the subject of the persuasion to do what is actually desired.
Example: Use the Liberals to assert Marxist ideologies (creating a Marxist institution) with the expectation this approach will encourage the population to go the intended course of religious fascism.
Hegelian Dialectic: Problem, Reaction, Solution
Create an atheistic, Liberal Marxist problem.
Have the population react as intended, rejecting Marxist ideologies.
Offer the solution: A revolutionary change of power lead by Conservatives.
Project 2025
*The actions of liberal politicians in Washington have created a desperate need* and unique opportunity for conservatives to start undoing *the damage the Left has wrought (PROBLEM)* and build a better country for all Americans in 2025.
It is not enough for conservatives to win elections. *If we are going to rescue the country from the grip of the radical Left, we need both a governing agenda and the right people in place, (REACTION)* ready to carry this agenda out on day one of the next conservative administration.
This is the goal of the 2025 Presidential Transition Project. The project will build on four pillars that will, collectively, pave the way for an effective conservative administration: a policy agenda, personnel, training, and a 180-day playbook.
The project is the effort of a broad coalition of conservative organizations that have come together to ensure a successful administration begins in January 2025. *With the right conservative policy recommendations and properly vetted and trained personnel to implement them, we will take back our government. (SOLUTION)
Bread and Circuses
This phrase originates from Rome in Satire X of the Roman satirical poet Juvenal (c. 100 AD). In context, the Latin panem et circenses (bread and circuses) identifies the only remaining interest of a Roman populace that no longer cares for its historical birthright of political involvement.
---The "woke" leftists demonize the past and want no part of it. Their political involvement is usually little more than posturing on social media instead of actually doing anything.
Juvenal here makes reference to the Roman practice of providing free wheat to Roman citizens as well as costly circus games *and other forms of entertainment as a means of gaining political power.* The earliest known Annona (the gift of free or subsidised grain to nominated citizens) was begun under the instigation of the aristocratic politician Gaius Sempronius Gracchus in 123 BC. The annona remained an object of political contention until it was *taken under the control of the autocratic Roman emperors.*
---By appearances, it would seem Leftists in the media, politics and corporations are trying to gain political power by appealing to a small, vocal minority of people (specially nominated citizens who are allowed to fail upwards, for example).
All US Presidents Related to this One King? | SELECTED or ELECTED? | reallygraceful
In a post-American revolution society, it would seem like the divine rights of kings would be a distant memory, but is the reality really so? Do certain bloodlines still hold power within our current government system? And if all US presidents are somehow united in blood, does that mean our leaders are really elected by the people? Or does that mean they’re selected by few?
All of the US’s “elected” Presidents have been descended from Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne via King John of England. Only Gerald Ford, who was not “elected” into the Presidency, was not related to King John and Charlemagne. Charlemagne was crowned “Holy Roman Emperor” by Pope Leo III. Queen Elizabeth in the UK was also descended from Charlemagne.
Look up "Dominion Theology" (Seven Mountains Mandate"), US Public Law 102 dash 14 and the "Seven laws of Noah".
DJT has been chosen by the RCC to be the new "Emperor" who will save us from Liberalism/Marxist ideologies, saying he is divinely chosen by God to Make America Great Again.
What will happen instead is he will turn the US into a fascist regime as a means of "draining the swamp", deceiving many into thinking he is a messiah just before he has Christians bee head idd according to the Noah Laws, saying it is blasphemy and idolatry to worship any man as God.
You people get all of your opinions from the Conservative propaganda machines and RUclipsrs, some of us get our information from the source of Truth, Jesus Christ.
Continue down this path of hatred, animosity and bitterness and you shall suffer the same judgement as the Liberals you have condemned in your hearts.
"Be stong enough to be gentle" inspired me many times
I learned to be stong from doodads.
Logan is the only recent movie that comes to mind that did the old hero right. He was old, worn out, cynical, and was basically waiting to die. He tried to avoid being the hero but realized that is just who he is, and no one else is coming to help. He found a new cause, reached down deep, made a last stand, and sacrificed himself to save the future generation.
Wasn't Logan based heavily on Children of Men?
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Yup, "Logan" was a very anti-hero type of take on both the Wolverine and Dr. Xavier characters, but it was done pretty bloody well.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat Yep
I think it also helps that Logan has always been a gruff and grim character, especially in comparison to his contemporaries in comics. It’s not so much of a stretch when you see this guy Ike this, because it matches with his vibe and character and the general ideas of his stories.
"you don't need to train, you were always strong enough"
As a DBZ fan this is like fingernails on a chalkboard. That's what makes that show so great is the characters are never complacent and always striving to be better through exhaustive physical and mental training even when there's no villain to fight.
I've been rewatching Dragon Ball recently. Master Roshi's training motto was basically, "Don't worry about being the best; be the best you that you can be." If they thought they could get better, they strived for it.
And when they DO get complacent they tend to pay for that hubris like Gohan and Vegeta getting humbled with the former slacking off and the latter thinking he's nigh-invulnderable whenever he breaks through another milestone.
Goku: moves a small mountain
Literally anyone else: holy crap, surely that is the pinnacle of achievement
Goku: tomorrow I'll move TWO mountains!
I know so many dudes that got ripped in the gym or just pushed themselves harder in life because of DBZ
Except for Gohan (mostly)
"Be strong enough to be gentle": yes, indeed. Weightlifting isn't just picking up the barbell; it's also about easing it back down. Firefighters don't carry people out of burning buildings and then just drop them on the ground outside. There's a crucial difference between true strength and brute force, between the stoics and the loudmouths.
Strong enough to be gentle is firmly on that slippery slope of demasculinization though because the weak can be gentle too. I get what YOU are saying, but the original phrase has directly led to the "being harmless is virtuous" garbage that is fed to boys today.
I heard in Taiwan, a guy stopping a guy on a stabbing attack on a train last month. when asked if he would do it again.
“Even if I had to do it again, I’d make the same choice,” said Mr Hsu, a fitness coach and powerlifter. “It’s what the hero Himmel would have done,” he added, quoting a line from popular anime Frieren: Beyond Journey’s End.
Somewhere in heaven, the Light Rail Avenger is smiling.
if that happened in america it would of been toxic man attacks mentality ill man trying to have dinner . cnn for sure
Notice that this kind of thing ONLY seems to happen with young males in the US Military and veterans - within the US? I joined as a PJ in 2007. Back then, we were still trained in Heroism from day 1. Not sure if that's the case now.
@@tulk3747 Mr. Hsu can act like a hero in Asia but not here in America- certainly not in NYC. You can get your ass prosecuted here for that hero stuff. This is what people don’t understand about the assault on popular culture and the focus on “12 year old boys”. The ruling class does not want these boys to grow up and be strong “men of action”. Destroying our heroes is how to plant that seed and “ force behavior” to change… plant the seed of indecisiveness and toxicity.
But if he'd done that in the US, he'd have been arrested. They really DONT want us to have heroes here.
Spider-Man was always a great character, everything surrounding Peter's life has the potential of him being a villain, but he always made the choice for good even though it was the harder choice, and that was what him such a great hero. He was bullied, his uncle died (he took responsibility instead of blaming society for the violence), he was pretty much poor but he never went after the rich and robbed them, he just tried to work harder. When Gwen died he could have snapped and gone villain (or at least Punisher) but Peter took the road of the hero every time. Spider-Man was a great hero for school boys for so many reasons, life seems so unfair at times, but that is why Peter was admired, cause he was relatable.
If you give a boy a Batman action figure, *his version of asserting himself in the fantasy involves him taking on Batman's skills* (Gagets and fighting), demeanor (no or controlled fear), and mission (the responsibility to find and stop bad guys) during play.
If you give a girl a Batman action figure, *her version of inserting herself in the fantasy involves her altering Batman's costume,* and then doing whatever she wants (shopping, finding a boyfriend), presumably while Gotham is on fire. Inspiring the question "Why did you want to be Batman?"
In short, the boy becomes Batman (in his play), but Batman becomes the girl (in her play).
And before I'm accused of being too harsh, note that the downward trend of hero movies, written and directed for (and often by) women nowadays, have *female characters whose main struggle is being **_recognized_** (heard),* and not for being heroes:
Before:
Spider-Man: "My uncle passed because I was selfish, but..."
Iron-Man: "My military sales ended up in the wrong hands and hurt Americans, and..."
Thor: "I'm King and I say we break this peace because I love to fight, but..."
Pete "Maverick" Mitchell: "My best friend passed because I couldn't control my impatience, so..."
Jessica Jones: "I tried to be a super hero and got intimately assaulted my first time out. I have never fully recovered, but..."
Daredevil: "Justice is blind, and..."
"...WITH GREAT POWER COMES GREAT RESPONSIBILITY..."
But now:
She-Hulk: "Why should I have to be a hero when I have to deal with cat-calling?"
Captain Marvel: "My only weakness is men holding me back!"
Jane Foster's Thor: "I'm only doing this because if I don't, I'll pass away."
Scarlet Witch: "I lost my boyfriend, so I can take over people minds and don't have to be an Avenger anymore. My happiness is all that matters."
Queen Valkyrie: "I _should_ be queen, and there are a lot of things I'd change around here..."
"WE ARE COMPLETLY EMPOWERED, BUT RESPONSIBLE TO MAINTAIN NOTHING"
Bonus:
Pepper Potts (Iron Man 1): "Tony, don't be Iron Man."
Pepper Potts (Iron Man 2): "Tony, don't be Iron Man if you want to be with me."
Pepper Potts (Iron Man 3): "Tony, there's no more reason to be Iron Man."
Pepper Potts (Infinity War): "Tony, don't go back to being Iron Man."
Pepper Potts (Endgame): "Tony, the Avengers can stay for dinner only if they don't try to talk you into building a time machine to get everybody's life back."
Pepper Potts (Endgame): "He _was_ Iron Man, but now _I am,_ and he can rest now."
Good little model citizen. Best not to rock the boat and keep in your own lane!
@@TheBestPill-no2xp dear gods pepper potts is about as annoying as the actress that plays her.
@@notusingmyname4791 You know what I'm talkin' about?!
Speaking of Spiderman, how was Across the Spiderverse? I thought about checking it out sometime, but idk if I'll like a cartoon.😋😋
I'm certain the universal success of Godzilla Minus One was hugely driven by having a group of competent male heroes band together to save the day - something shunned in Hollywood.
Yep. Godzilla X Kong instead used the "girl who's the key to everything" trope.
Or there was a lack of competition.
@Vlad65WFPReviews... im sure it didn't have anything to do with seeing a 100 story Radioactive mutated lizard coming up out of the ocean destroying ships and then stomping Tokyo.....nah nobody wanted to see that .....😂😂😂
@@user-hr1gw3qr8w there has been a number of Godzilla movies in the last few years, but none have been the surprise hit that GMO became
@@user-hr1gw3qr8w. They did, but Godzilla Minus One was sooo much better and better received than the Godzilla x Kong turd that there is something to the messages/tropes and execution of same that worked so much better. GMO was one of the most patriotic, example of willing self sacrifice for the greater good (duty) movies I have ever seen.
I remember coming out of the Theater after Indiana Jones and Star Wars in the 80's feeling like I was so powerful. Now you walk out of the same IPs and you feel like you've been punched in the gut.
I remember those times. Goonies was the one that I came out of there feeling fantastic Ghostbusters also. But yeah these days these movies will make you wonder what the hell that I just watch?
Try something different, then. Stop relying on Hollywon't to give you ethical and spiritual guidelines.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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-- Diamond Dragons (series)
And you come out of the theater with a sense of malaise and ask "what did l just see?"
Walking out of Toby McGuire's Spiderman as a little kid made me want to be Spiderman so badly... My mom had a lot of nightmares at the time so bad she would scream herself awake, and I would put on my mask and run to her butt naked to help. She said it always cheered her up. I even had dreams for years of being able to shoot webs, and I loved playing in the pool pretending I could climb walls.
And you know, it did make me sad I could never be Spiderman, but it did help me to realize as a kid that not all dreams will come true. It was a hard thing to accept, but it's better to accept that as a kid then to believe it as an adult.
i used to do the same exact thing for my mom!
then she would grumble something about how i'm in my 30's and "needed to move out" already
The heroes of the past are now considered problematic. It’s no wonder people emphasize with villains now.
Don't forget, they're not really villains anymore, either. They are misunderstood people in the wrong place at the wrong time.
The stranger was the one really nteresting characer in the show, and the actor was doing his best. I really empathised with him, in that he wanted someone to pass on his knowldedge too and someone to train with.
How are people meant to connect with this show? what are we meant to learn or take away from this? They gotta get better writers, sheeeeesh.
Normal people look at Spider-Man and think "I want to be more like Spider-Man!"
Narcissists see Spider-Man and think "I want Spider-Man to be more like me!"
The people who tell you there is no such thing as good and evil - are *always* evil.
one strange trend I've noticed is some women around 60-70 purposely make their hair look like the joker. purple, green, greasy and messy..
Whether it is the actors or their characters: The Acolyte is most accurate depiction of the world we live in today.
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"For Modern Audiences..."
I read this in Drinkers voice 😂
Today we need people to watch shows for us, so we can avoid brain damage and high blood pressure. These people are the true heroes.
It's the world people think, wanting to craft elaborate reasons and blame others for why they do bad things. Reality is people just want to do what they want and will craft whatever excuse so it makes sense in their head, and eventually like Anakin Skywalker and most the other Sith when the excuses fall away they'll be left broken by the choices they've made.
I'm reminded of an anecdote shared by the late Kevin Conroy in the introduction to Batman: The Definitive Visual Guide to the Dark Knight, released in 2019 to celebrate the Character's 80th anniversary:
"Recently, when I was appearing at a comic convention in Chicago, I was approached by a woman. She reached out to me and said, "I grew up in the projects on the South Side. My parents worked long hours. I was alone every aftemoon. Most of the kids I grew up with got into trouble and are either dead or in jail. But I had you. Batman kept me safe, taught me what was right, kept me out of trouble. You really touched my life." 1 hugged her tightly and thanked her for making me realize that life had led me to do something more than just entertain. You see, I'd been busy making other plans"
Batman The Animated series is my Favorite Batman and Batman Beyond man so many good shows with good heroes.
Christ, that's enough to make a grown man cry
@@fojisan2398 and that's okay
There's a quote by GK Chesterton who says, "Fairy tales do not tell children that dragons exist. Children know instinctively that dragons exist. Fairy tales tell children that the dragons can be killed."
In the same way, I think, to lose heroes in literature is to root for dragons, hoping to demoralize people and discourage them from overcoming adversity and hardship.
I feel like now is the age of writers. In a time when heroes are being stripped of dignity, it provides an apt backdrop for new heroes to arise.
In some tales, the dragons are *both* the heroes and villains. The point is that in GOOD storytelling, there are always both, never merely one or none. Reflection is key.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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-- Diamond Dragons (series)
@@Novastar.SaberCombat I haven't read the Diamond Dragons series, so I can't say I can think of tales where dragons are both heroes and villains.
I thought the GK Chesterton quote was fitting however, because, even though the quote was made in defense of fairy tales in general, the idea is that fairy tales teach children that evil can be overcome. In our time, the fantasy genre itself hasn't come under attack, but the line between good and evil, hero and villain has become murky. The idea that evil can be overcome is just as necessary as ever.
Wouldn't it have been better to use someone who wasn't a raging Anti-Semite? Even The Society of G.K. Chesterton copped up to his Anti-Semitism.
Well said!
@@andreasrset289 Thank you.
The great trait of heroes is they are so timeless and inspiring, regardless of your age, gender and culture
Thats why Sabaton rules
Nothing to stop us from leading a good life, help your neighbour, be good to each other and maintain your integrity.
@@krissteel4074you are speaking of like a white male supremacist.
Very true mate.
@krissteel4074 Indeed.
"Everybody loves a hero. People line up for them, cheer them, scream their names. And years later, they'll tell how they stood in the rain for hours just to get a glimpse of the one who taught them how to hold on a second longer. I believe there's a hero in all of us, that keeps us honest, gives us strength, makes us noble[...] We need a hero, couragous sacrificing people, setting examples for all of us." -May Parker.
"I chose my path, you chose the way of the hero. And they found you amusing for a while, the people of this city. But the one thing they love more than a hero is to see a hero fail, fall, die trying. In spite of everything you've done for them, eventually they will hate you." - Green Goblin
Also known as the "I know you're Spider-Man" speech. ♥
“You will give the people of Earth an ideal to strive towards. They will stumble. They will fall. But in time, they will join you in the sun. In time, you will help them accomplish wonders.” -Jor-El
@@darthkatonWhilst Man of Steel was a rather poor take on the character of Superman, that line surprisingly summarises him entirely down to a tee.
@@pantherapardus1398 Yup. While the movie wasn’t my favorite on how they depict Superman I do have to give that line props.
"Buzz Lightyear, ACAB" that's hilarious
The funnier part is the willful ignorance at the origins of the acronym. ACAB started in US Prison culture by neo-n4zi gangs
Truly the most evil Pixar character ever created
People would use that unironically, unaware and uncaring that it belongs to skinhead culture.
I find that funny because buzz’s archnemsis is surf, who is a tyrannical ruler of a planet hellbent on conquest.
@@leviticusprime4904 Well...he is also a version of Buzz...
Remove morality.
Remove heroes.
Remove aspirations.
Remove hope.
Where do you see us in this progression?
The end of us.
When Drinker asked the question, I immediately thought of a quote from C.S. Lewis: "Since it is so likely that [children] will meet cruel enemies, let them at least have heard of brave knights and heroic courage. Otherwise you are making their destiny not brighter but darker." Without heroes to exemplify strength, courage, fortitude, etc., people are robbed of inspiration and guides to overcome their own weaknesses and challenges. No hero will have every virtue, but that's what makes them relatable. Heroes are the bridge between a person and ideals. Even if the hero isn't perfect, he or she shows that it's possible to get closer to the ideal. Without heroes, ideals seem unattainable and therefore useless, and people stay weak, fragile, overly emotional, and easily manipulated.
Yuri Bezmemov outlines this demoralization phase perfectly in an interview done back in the early 80’s. And make no mistake, it’s systematic.
Yet his warning fell on deaf ears.
It is so beyond complete that he thought the soviets would have been impressed with their success IN THE 1980's
Cool it with the antisemitic remarks.
Yep, the only thing he got wrong was that Yuri overestimated how far along we were in the process. He said demoralization was almost complete in '84. However I think the rest of the decade saw more influence from the Reagan Republicans than he foresaw. The Christian right still held enough sway to keep religion in the culture, and the church was yet to be exposed for being so openly corrupt. That slowed the process, I think. They may have even had to go back to the drawing board, hence the end of the Cold War and the fall of the Berlin Wall at the end of the decade.
Once we put Slick Willie in the WH. though, it was lights out. They got us all hooked on pills and trash TV, and then they got another shot at the plate on September 11th, 2001. And they sent that shit 600 feet.
@@jumpupdown2556 Yeah, his time frame was off, but everything else is just like he laid it out. I think we are pretty well into Destablization now.
Back in June, a man in Taiwan was commended during an interview for his act of heroism.
He helped prevent a stabbing on the metro, directly confronting the suspect and he was wounded in the process.
When asked what inspired his bravery he stated "It's what Himmel [the hero] would have done".
Himmel is the legendary hero character in the 'Frieren: Beyond Journey's End' manga and anime series.
Fictional heroes can absolutely inspire heroism in real, ordinary people.
David Gemmell had a similar story one of his readers told him, this kid witnessed a guy mugging an old lady late at night on a subway platform. He nearly left to see if he could find a cop or something, but he was worried about leaving the lady by herself. Then he thought "What would Druss do?" and he charged the man and just that action, not even having to beat him up, scared him away.
Notice how all the heroes people look up to now are fictional though? Heroes in myths were not considered fictional by our ancestors, the stories were meant to convey real events, even if they were embellished. Now everyone knows the stories are fake and the heroes are fake. Well... Except for Keanu Reeves, that dude is as close to a real hero as an actor can come to today.
Who’d have thought Indiana Jones fans didn’t want to see a movie where he was emasculated and upstaged by a girl-boss character?
I still haven't got past the WW2 intro in that movie, which was okay. Don't know if i ever find the time or inspiration to watch the rest of the movie.
Marion stole every scene they shared in Raiders if you ask me, but she didn't make Indy look bad by doing so 🤷🏻♂️
Normalizing moral bankruptcy
And a complete "plain Jane" one at that.
@@347Jimmy Difference between a truly strong woman who loves both her strength and femininity, and a Faux strength female character that is created for an unseen and hidden agenda.. it feels fake ah because it is, and we know it at the collective level of the 'Jungian' unconscious..
Being a Batman fan as a kid got me into martial arts when i was 20, which gave me so much more self confidence to exist in the world and has literally saved my life a couple times. Also gave me the confidence to travel on my own which is how I met my wife of 15 years.
Thanks Batman.
Batman is my favorite. No super powers and I liked how he was betrayed as even the bad/ evil guys were scared of him. That was super cool to me that the fighter for good could be the one who was feared
They still have not destroyed Batman.
What I liked most about this video was, when someone was like "I know it's a silly example of a hero" everyone was like "No, no, no, a valid choice for a hero". That's what I miss most, being able to talk openly and not being judged as being silly. Tolerance. Thank you for that clip.
Heroes and villains via storytelling are important. Otherwise, mankind will never comprehend such types in their REALITIES. And what could be more obvious demonstrating that in 2024? Chump, Puton, XiXiPi, KJU, Bankman-Fraud, Theranos chick, Aleggz Jones, and the list is clearly endless. Recognition of such devious leviathans only comes from proper storytelling.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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-- Diamond Dragons (series)
Snarky Jay and Gary nailed it-- with the Optimus Prime and Peter Parker analogies.
We need heroes again. We should never see ourselves as the center of the universe.
As the legend goes. One of the most famous Roman emperors, Marcus Aurelius, had a flunky following him around who's entire job it was to remind him that he was just a man whenever someone professed obeisance to him. And while the story is probably not true to such an extent. He is remembered rather fondly.
The way Peter Cullen tells that story is even better. It was his brother who said it. His brother was a marine that led men into combat.
Peter wanted advice from him on how to sound like a leader for his audition as Optimus & that’s what his brother said- not to be like these Hollywood types that yell & scream at their own men all the time.
But to “be strong enough to be gentle.”
Axis Mundi= center of the universe ✨️
"We're gonna have weak kids."
Too late. We're already there.
Agree with your comment that we already have weak people who can't think for themselves. And Snarky made a great observation about the rise of narcissism. People have been spouting their own customized "truth" for far too long. Truth has become something that can be molded, or is amorphous, like an amoeba.
Maulers speech telling us we must keep calling out the morally bankrupt nonsense rather than remaining silent, felt like a stirring pep talk in the culture war. Bravo!
But he doesn't even want to call out the morally bankrupt nonsense from his own inner circle.
"A hero is an ordinary individual who finds the strength to persevere and endure in spite of overwhelming obstacles." ~ Christopher Reeve
Hero’s are not ordinary. They are flawed individuals that step up when the time is right. I suppose an ordinary could also do that but are they really ordinary?
Sandra Jay's point on increasing narcissism with no outward heroes is spot on! What a great point.
Heroes save lives. It's that simple.
Either the fireman who runs into a burning building to bring out a child, or Superman protecting the weak inspiring a young boy to stand up for someone who is being bullied - HEROES SAVE LIVES, REAL LIVES, EVERY DAY.
Say it loud for those who think fictional heroes are less important : HEROES SAVE LIVES, REAL LIVES, EVERYDAY.
So how do fictional heroes save lives? By that standard, Stan Lee was the greatest hero of of the twentieth century, much greater than either General MacAuthor or Eisenhower, because he created amazing heroes who save the universe countless times! How about we give all the credit to the real people doing the life saving? Heroic people will always find inspiration for their own heroism. I prefer and tend to think its better not to idolize fictional characters. It would be much better if we elevated real heroes instead of imaginary ones.
"But he's nobody's hero
Saves a drowning child
Cures a wasting disease
Hero lands the crippled airplane
Solves great mysteries
Hero, not the handsome actor
Who plays a hero's role
Hero, not the glamour girl
Who'd love to sell her soul
If anybody's buying nobody's hero"
- the great Neil Peart.
Absolutely! And I think making a distinction between real life heroes and mythological heroes and the effects psychologically and culturally on a larger society is a conversation to have. I loved the Bionic Woman and she gave me a sense of what I could aspire to be and that is how humans are designed.. If I had been a Viking child, undoubtedly a Norse God or Goddess would have filled the role in the level of imagination. Real life, my grandmother made me breakfast every day and did things that made my childhood beautiful to live through, and now I know there is no greater hero in my life story.. I didnt know it then. I only knew I loved her. This is the contrast, imo.
That's by design entirely. There's somebody somewhere who has a big smile hearing Drinker say "What happens when there's no more heroes?"
Oy! Stop noticing!
The Incredible s.. When every one is a hero no one is
@@Gman_-bq7wqAnd when no one is a hero, everyone is. In their own eyes, at least.
You get House of the Dragon, a bunch of characters that are shades of grey.
@@Edax_Royeauxmore like shades of gay 🤢
"Humans need fantasy to be human. To be the place where the falling angel meets the rising ape. " Sir Terry Pratchett
Without heroes and villains embedded in powerful, exemplary storytelling, the world will have no ethical compass to distinguish what is a worthy objective and what is a selfish, destructive one.
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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"Whatever action a great man performs, common men follow. And whatever standards he sets by exemplary acts, all the world pursues." - Lord Krishna, in the Bhagavad-gita, 3000 B.C.
Without heroes you can't aspire to something higher than yourself. Characters of fiction have filled this role as a unifier for the masses throughout human history. They'll always be greater than you, and trying to meet their standards gives you something to struggle toward.
Doctor Who and Star Trek is why I got into engineering. Those shows explored the power of science and problem solving. What have we got now? The Acolyte? I hope I’m dead before the people growing up on that are running the world.
"Attack me with all of your strength" is perhaps the most DISGUSTING line I've ever heard in any film, let alone a fantasy-adventure IP. It's embarrassing. 🙄
I'm lucky to have grown up in an era where heroes existed. This panel perfectly articulated the danger of losing our heroes.
Another problem is all villians know have to be either misunderstood or sympathetic or are morally correct making the hero look bad we are lacking pure evil villians like palpatine, Sauron or joker
There's a reason why more or less every horror movie villain has been considered an LGBT icon.
They tried to make the Joker seem relatable and sympathetic in that movie that everybody loved and made over a billion dollars. I thought it was mid personally.
I'm not sure about that last example - many people consider characters like The Joker, Patrick Bateman, and Tyler Durden as heroes, even though their actions are undeniably evil when looked at objectively. Glamour is a very powerful force.
@@Tevildothat's just memes bro.
Well to make a sympathetic villain is not a problem, here’s a sympathetic villains who works very well, creators didn’t justify their actions and acting like they did nothing wrong, watchers know it and still have sympathy without justifying their actions, but now creators always try to justify actions of villains making them anti-heroes which doesn’t make sense, they tried to do that with Wanda and fails greatly
I remember Drinkers “why we need heroes” video, and man at the close to end part of the video it was pretty gut punching. The way he put it ofc, but the music & the message as well. It sucks so bad we don’t have heroes anymore. I’m Christian, I follow Christ almighty but my hero is Batman. Since I was 9 it was Batman & the stuff that DC has done…😔
2001---"For Frodo..." 2024---"For Me!"
2030 - "For Power"!
Heroes become heroic because they have to surmount challenges, both external and internal. That is an alien concept to a generation of writers and producers who were told, from the very get go, that they were perfect just because of their identity. They are unacquainted with the notion that struggle forms character. That is reflected in their writing and that is why their so called "heroes" are so insipid and insufferable.
To many PDfile groomer overtones
The world is screaming out for Heroes, that’s why characters like Superman and Spider-Man are so important. They can make people feel hope again!
Or people are glorifying the Palestinians who are opposing Israel’s government as if they are revolutionary heroes. Apparently real life super heroes require violence
My 12 year old daughter told me recently that running the mile in gym class is now kind of fun, and a lot easier for her than earlier in the school year. I told her it’s because she kept at it, and as she struggled, she grew stronger.
The same with practicing other things like her artwork, using the bow, and many other activities she enjoys.
She made mistakes early on, learned, changed, adapted, grew, and became better.
She told me that made sense and is still working to improve.
I also called back to a quote from a show we watched together when she was younger (that meant a lot to the both of us) called Adventure Time, when Jake the dog says “sucking at something is the first step to being sorta good at something.”
I’ll be damned if I let her become like the misanthropes in modern media who deconstruct heroes and claim “everyone is perfect, just the way they are”. She deserves better, and I will always encourage her to grow, and strive to be the best she can be. To understand right from wrong, to value wisdom over vanity, and to learn from mistakes with humility and grace and show that empathy to others.
That’s how we make a better future, by investing in the younger generations like that. The exact opposite of the mantras of modern media and pop culture.
I had Mr. Spock from Star Trek as my first heroic figure followed closely by finding Doc Savage novels. Today, MD/PhD and very happy with my life of service in the military and now at a large community hospital. I would not have worked so hard had I not aspired to be a scientist and later a physician. You are right about people needing examples and role models.
Not only is the fallen hero trope ridiculously overused now, but I’m extremely exhausted of the anti-establishment attitude of the woke establishments. In every mode of media whether it’s games, movies, books, etc. Nowadays, if you are part of a group that is the majority, then you are automatically a villain. People need to stop with this idea that minority = good and majority/popularity = bad. The Jedi were flawed but were always meant to be the good guys, Batman is a billionaire but he’s the hero, if you are a king then that doesn’t mean you’re automatically a tyrant, as we see with the virtuous king in LOTR, and so on.
Also I think it's important to note that George Lucas's Star Wars always had MORE nuance than Disney Star Wars, which is incredibly ironic considering Kathleen and all her fellow writers and directors state over and over that they have the goals of expanding the universe and giving more "nuanced" or "deep" takes on lore and characters (the whole Grey jedi thing) One example of The original films being more complex in understanding is similar to what you mentioned; the Jedi are ultimately a force for good DESPITE their restrictions in behavior and emotion. Yoda warns against attachment for jedi because it can lead to stronger negative emotions which are known to connect a strong force user more closely to the dark side of the force. And even if having shallow personal relationships is a criticism of the jedi, it was very clear in George's work that going extemely the other way was NOT the solution; it leads to the sith and hatred and murder. Disney Star Wars just ignores all the old complexity and in doing so their own musings on the force and jedi and sith just seem downright illogical or over simplified.
I think it was Nerdrotic who said something like:
“the establishment” finally convinced the anti-establishment people to drink the cool aid, and the people who used to be the conservative stiffs are considered the problem people in society now.
Weird but seems accurate to me.
@@kale4550Long response . . . but worth it!
I can give an example of where the hypocrites don't stay to their own formula. Look at South Africa. The minority are the most taxed the most villified, nothing we say or do in the context of the larger population matters. But that same population in US which is the minority has you by the balls.
These people forget that Bruce Wayne uses so much of his money to help reform the criminals that Batman deals with. If your a goon in Gotham you will get knocked out by Batman, then have a chance to get hired by Bruce Wayne and turn your life around.
I got into boxing after watching Rocky IV. I was 12 and moved to a different state where I knew no one. Knowing a little boxing helped keep the bullies at bay. I kept training there and well into my 20s. Some of the best lessons in life I learned in the ring.
Insert quote about being hit and how hard you can be hit here
@@I_TheLandlord "It's not about how hard you can it; it's about how hard you can GET hit and keep moving forward. That's how winning is done."
I hope I remembered that accurately.
Badass
"Strong enough to be gentle" reminds me of the lyric "thundering velvet hand."
Kinda stems from the meek inheriting the earth.
Im told in the original its more like he who has a sword but keeps it sheathed.
"Don't mistake my kindness for weakness".
Mercy is something only the strong can give.
Optimus prime, 1at gen. My forever hero and role model.
Prime would accept a lost fight with Megatron even knowing that Megatron cheated, because he had given his word. Even *Megatron* respected him for that.
Kiss wrote "A World Without Heroes" back in the 80s. I never considered prophetic at the time but here we are - "A pointless thing, devoid of grace..."
Y'all know it's by design, right?
Absolutely. This is entirely intentional, because it's designed to convince Whites that they don't have a culture, a history, and most importantly, aren't the only ones to have ever built civilizations around the world. Those in control of Hollywood, and other places, HATE Whites.
It's by design. But there is no real goal behind the poor black lesbian heroine. It's just is what it is. 20 years with shitty boring marvel and DC superheroes, and just stopped going to Cinema and watch movies.
Yep, straight out of the Marxist playbook
Y'all, lol, ok bumpkin.
Yeah, it's done on purpose. They want stupid customers who just consume and don't criticize.
Morally ambiguous works great with "The Man With No Name" Trilogy. Star Wars is a totally different creature that established that the Jedi were the guardians of peace and justice throughout the galaxy.
He-Man, She-Ra, Optimus Prime, The Ninja Turtles, Batman, and The ThunderCats were my greatest (fictional) heroes in my earliest years (ages 2-6).
I shudder to think how I would have turned out if I didn't have them to look up to.
Optimus prime was and still is one of mine and I'm 53. He was like the John Wayne of cartoons
That is just sad. Completely tethering yourself to pop culture is the path towards mutually assured destruction.
despite the lies my mother told me about my father. he was always my greatest hero and best friend. and he knew that. I think no matter what young men need to look up to their fathers and not listen to lies meant to tear them down. your father needs you as you need him. and I'm sure they will talk negatively about that too but you shouldn't have to look to media to find a fictitious hero. we need you back in reality.
It's not just the removal of heroes in media, men are also discouraged from being heroic. I saw somebody else talking about this recently. What's our version of Die Hard? Does a millennial or gen z guy fight through a building full of terrorists to save his ex wife and a bunch of strangers? Or does he just sneak out the back door, go home, and see what happened on the news the next day?
I had an abusive alcoholic father and my parents got divorced when I was a young child. I learned how to be a man by watching and copying heroic protagonists on tv and I'm thankful I had role models to shape myself after even though I didn't have a dad. I can't imagine how i'd have turned out if the same thing happened to me in today's society.
My 10 year old, loves Indiana Jones. Even She knew something was off with Indy in Dial of Destiny.
Probably a little young to be watching that kind of stuff. Then again, so was I...
@@pickyphysicsstudent201 same here!
Top Five Hero's who have been destroyed the most.
1. Luke Skywalker
2. The Doctor
3. John Connor
4. Indiana Jones
5. James Bond.
6. Gandalf
7. Captain Kirk
@@crazyralph6386what happened to Gandalf?
8. Thor
Disney actor Mark Hamill was complicit in the Luke Skywalker destruction
James Doohan, along with my family, is the reason why I became a software engineer. I love building and fixing things. I've always been an athlete also. Rocky was always an inspiration to push me to train harder as an athlete! Even these days I still hear Apollo Creed in my head saying, "there is no tomorrow!" You can apply that to any challenge you run into. But the idea of being challenged these days is an adverse thought.
When I was a kid, I had no real life rolemodels. Everyone was disapointing. For that reason, media heroes were my main source of understanding good and evil. I fear how far gone I'd be if I didn't have those- I'm already not the greatest person, but those heroes were my only teather to decency. I am so grateful I have them.
Oof.
I don't remember who said it, but as the saying goes, "Give people a reputation to live up to." People do need examples of positive characteristics. Particularly emphasizing the difference between right and wrong. The Acolyte does not do that.
I don't know about you (Americans), but for me, as a non-American, it's extremely easy. For several years now, I have almost stopped watching Western movies and shows and only watch Korean, Chinese and Japanese. It suits me perfectly.
I personally avoid Chinese content, but yea, most of the serial entertainment I watch is Korean or Japanese.
nihon media for the win
As an American small indie films are AWESOME its just when they get bought out by big companies they have to conform to their "standards"
Yeah my son watches mainly Japanese content so holywood is definitely loosing market share to other countries.
Train to Busan was the best movie ive seen in years
"You're the best, and you've always been the best" - the HERo's Journey
according these modern losers, actually a woman has to live the hero's journey, also, some details are different, but there is a feminine hero's jounrey, also.
Corey Comperatore, Roy Benavidez, Christian Craighead, Randy Shughart, Gary Gordon, and many others.
Heroes are all around us.
They always have been.
"Where do we find such men? Where we always have."
MauLer: "There's an aspect to it, believe in yourself!" Yes! That's exactly what Rocky did. He looked at the mountainous challenge ahead of him, realized he was nowhere near good enough to tackle it yet...And he blieved that he can make it eventually. And thus, the "training montage" was born!
Excellent show, gents and Jay!
Didn't have the best of upbringings, my dad wasn't around due to no fault of his own. So I looked up to the heroes I saw in media and they shaped my moral compass. Even characters like Naruto showed that even with hardships in life, you can still help those around you.
I now aim to be the Uncle Iroh to others. It's a shame kids aren't getting the same
same. my dad was not someone to look up to. so i looked up to fictional heroes myself.
I love Uncle Iroh! I like how serious he is in raising Zuko and how silly he is when it comes to tea. The scene about hot leaf juice cracks me up.
*thumbnail*
Still sad that we will never see Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher together as Luke Skywalker, Han Solo and Leia Organa one last time.
It’s absolutely dumbfounding why they didn’t reunite the OT heroes?
My god, just watch the originals again. This attitude for wanting more and more is the exact shit that got us the sequels in the first place
They were probably hoping to do it in the last movie, but didn’t expect Carrie to die so young.
@@Jadty They killed Han and Luke before the last movie...
@@bruhfvdf3145Doesn’t get the point. Gets pissy anyway.
The sad thing is, Luke is probably the least problematic hero that has ever been written. He tells his sister, "Don't say you're not. You're a friggin magic psychic wizard, too!"
He went from overly babied, whinny cry-boy, to a heroic, strive to be better warrior, that was willing to die to do the right thing
99% of heroes in wars are men.
That's just reality.
Women don't go to war.
Too bad Mark has ruined Luke more than the sequel trilogy did.
@@Riftrender His personal life has no relation to Luke. Or do you mean he agreed to play him in Disney Star Wars?
@@user-xx6vy9ri8pprobably means both. Once Mark read the script, he shpuld have said no to playing Luke
For me, Karate Kid movies changed my life the most. And many more people who are like me.
In the last episode of The Acoshite a character straight up says: "when people have heroes they forget to look in front of them" implying that heroic figures (the jedi) are not only useless but deleterious. And it feels like the writers were so proud of themselves for coming up with that line.
This is why movies are so important, they are modern tales of heroes that can inspire us in ways we could never imagine, going far beyond just entertainment. Seeing ideal versions of ourselves is the best way for us to be inspired and attempt to reach that same standard in our own way.
For some people, it's really all they have going for them. Usually, they're made to inspire and educate the poor. Unfortunately, "attack me with all of your strength" is one of the most embarrassingly inane, banal, uncreative things I've ever heard. 🙄 I cannot understate just how dumb that line (and the entire series) was. It's truly disgusting. 🤮
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"Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind's journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul's fate revealed. In time, all points converge; hope's strength resteeled. But to earn final peace at the Universe's endless refrain, we must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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-- Diamond Dragons (series)
I'm old as dirt. My "heroes" growing up (besides my dad) was James Bond, James Kirk and James West. Then Star Wars and Raiders came out and I added the bravery of Luke, the bravado of Indy were also characters that I looked up to. You are all correct, they've killed off all of our heroes and replaced them with bitter, washed out old relics and/or soyboys that have no spines.
As a fellow grey hair i concur. Not so much superheroes for me, but Edgar Rice Burrough's Tarzan and John Carter, Flash Gordon and The Shadow from the Pulp Age. James Bond, Modesty Blaise and other characters from 1960's Superspy age...and of course there was Conan the Barbarian, who was not a "hero", but a barbarian with his own moral code who did heroic things when he was not drinking and wenching.
Another grey hair. Aside from my dad, my heroes were athletes, especially the ones who overcame adversity, personal tragedy, and prejudice (Jackie Robinson comes to mind). Never movie characters. Didn't see them as heroes. For me there were and still are enough real ones out there to look up to.
Soy products don't feminize men. mind you
My heroes were any Clint Eastwood, Sean Connery, or Charles Bronson characters. I'm only 31 but my grandfather and many men from that generation loved those dudes
“I can do this all day!”
- hero overcoming adversity.
Crazy to say but monkey D Luffy was the perfect character to be inspired on chasing your dreams and never back down in life, no matter who tells you no, while reading and watching him, he's a great friend to hangout with and cares about his friends
He’s more a hero than most. And he’s not even perfect since he’s kinda a moron lol
As someone who loves heroes like Izuku Midoriya, Rin Okumura, Tohru Honda, Kyo Sohma, Frodo Baggins, Aragorn, Samwise Gamgee, Luke Skywalker, Harry Potter, the fictional Balto, Indiana Jones, Tintin, etc, I really fear for our current generation and the problematic lessons modern entertainment has been teaching them. "Real heroes are problematic," "Villains are just misunderstood bad bois", "You're perfect the way you are! YOU don't have to change! It's the WORLD that needs to change for YOU because you're already SPEHSHUL!" What are these supposed to teach them? What will happen when they have to actually overcome true adversity one of these days? They can't expect to be right about everything, they can't expect the world to revolve around them. They need real heroes that can show them that they can do it with enough determination and investment in their skills and to never give up.
This is one of the best conversations to happen in Open Bar. Glad to see that there are still those who remember what heroes in cinema were.
Superman no longer says, "Truth, Justice and the American Way... "
I went to college because I became obsessed with Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade in my early 20s and just wanted to become intelligent and surround myself with knowledge. I would still be delivering pizzas if it wasn’t for that movie. I’m now a dad, husband, and manager in a great career. All because of Indiana Jones.
I think this video should be pinned to the main page of the channel! This is literally my last 5-7 years of thoughts collected in one discussion and probably better formulated than what was going on in my head 😅
Not to mention it is a really good and legitimate explanation of why the world sucks more and more with each passing day...
The silver lining is that the stories that they told to tear down the heroes were executed so badly that nobody will watch them. Who knew Top Gun Maverick would be the only one to survive…
Superman “There is a superhero in all of us. We just need the courage to put on the cape."
Y'all are right. Non-empathetic characters are weak. They can MacGuffin all they want, generosity of spirit /kindness costs. That takes strength and humility
Without Spock and to a lesser degree Picard I would not be the person I am today.
Hmanity either strives to rise above or stagnates, which turns into a race to the bottom.
The thirst for heroes comes from a desire to rise above tough circumstances, where we need someone to show us that having more power doesn't make it easy. In fact, succeeding without that power where one did only elevates the hero seeker further.
We also need heroes to show us that we can become better as people, where we don't compromise on our beliefs just because we have abilities. And being a better person isn't dependent on what we have.
The point of heroes is to have people who are better than us that we strive to become more like. Even if they might be an unattainable ideal. Whether this being avoiding being corrupted by power (Most superheros), having humility/compassion despite overwhelming power (superman is a great example), not giving up in the face of impossible odds (most heroes), staying true to your values even in the face of pain and loss (Spiderman), overcoming your own character flaws to be better (Iron Man overcoming his alcoholism and arrogance..largely removed from the sanitized marvel version), etc. There are so many ideals we used to value and strive for that are hard, if not impossible, for the average person to live up to. But the point IS to strive and work at improving. Today though, everything has been dragged into the muck. Moral relativism, broken heroes, all old heroes undercutting everything they once stood fore or having their struggles removed. New heroes having no struggle or real ideals beyond just being strong. And so without those ideals to strive for...suddenly people feel like THEY are the heroes of their age. By posting on social media lol. They've drug down ideals to their level to serve their own personal narcissism. TBH this is basically exemplified by "The New Warriors" where the writers/artists were saying things like old heroes were too cool for them. And IMO that IS where we are at now. They couldn't measure up to old heroes so rather than try to get better they drug everyone down to their level so they could feel better about themselves and feel like THEY were a hero to. Basically, rather than earn it via hard work being a better person they took the dark side route trying to make shortcuts.
Joseph Campbell said when asked if the Hero's Journey he wrote about had to include all the steps, the thing that ties these stories from around the world was sacrifice. The heroes sacrifice something of themselves in order to be better or save the day.
I'm 24 years old, and from the age of 7, I grew up watching my parent's John Wayne Western collection on VHS, DOZENS and dozens of John Wayne Westerns from the 60s and 70s, some older, as well as a bunch of Clint Eastwood Westerns, namely, "The Dollars Trilogy", "Pale Rider", and "The Outlaw Josey Wales".
The Star Wars Original Trilogy and the Prequels (tho I had to buy those on my own from a swap meet, my parents aren't as nerdy), and later the "Indiana Jones" Trilogy, the "Pirates Of The Caribbean" Trilogy, and the "Lord Of The Rings" Trilogy.
I'm not the perfect specimen of human being, but I think I had some good influences, not least of which, my own father.
Another scary thought is, that kids start identifying with the monsters, cause after you deconstruct every hero and demonize them into villains, the next logical step is portray the dragon as a victim or worse yet a hero.
Just look at Damsel.
I really agree with mauler here, as someone who came from a difficult household I know I found inspiration from heroes in media to give me an ideal to look up too. Thanks Mauler
That's why it's so important that those of us growing older and having families of our own do like our parents: introduce your kids to the classics, be involved in your kids' lives, and teach them the difference between right and wrong. My dad read to me and my sister when we were growing up and I intend to do the same when I have kids. They're going to watch all the great stuff I watched because I want them to have heroes to look up to.
This was the deepest, most profound moment in any of the OB I’ve seen in the last 1.5 years.
So glad Snarky Jay is on a regular panel.
Dressed to impress
Yeah, she's learned to get in and say her piece this time, she was a bit gun-shy the last time. And she made some great points.
Who is she again?
@@remuslazar2033 She's a Nerd like all true fans are
Snarky confuses me, I want to like her but it's ironic to me when she talks about narcissism as she comes off as really conceited, and not in an endearing way. It's tiresome. I could be misreading, it's not like I know her personally. Maybe I just need to watch her more.
I don't know if it's been actually said yet, but by Disney at the very least green lighting and supporting Leslye Hedland writing creating/writing and producing and then distributing The Acolyte... they have made it known to the entire world that they are supporting and possibly even advocating for grooming. The events of The Acolyte are 100% a grooming story where an evil murderer seduces a young woman and brings her into his cult and turns her evil... and Disney has ROMANTICIZED this by deliberately making him handsome and a sympathetic character while turning a group that used to be heroic, the Jedi, into an evil, conspiratory villainous society, including one of the greatest fictional icons of all time Yoda in this blanket depiction. There can't be any mistaking it or misconstruing it or deliberately ignoring it any more. Disney is actively advocating for grooming while simultaneously destroying every true hero within its grasp that would oppose this with every fiber of their being.
Everyone needs heroes. When I was little, I played tennis and watched tennis with my dad (no, I never accomplished anything with tennis). I had two heroes: my dad and Jimmy Connors. What I learned from Jimmy (with reinforcement from my dad) was grit and determination, never give up, never stop, fight for every point, give all you have to give. Winning matters, but even more than that, giving all you can possibly give is what really matters. Many years later, with my son, he and I worshiped Peyton Manning. We all NEED heroes.
It's a question more of the morality behind those heroes. When the morality disappears, the heroes disappear, and as they said, the vacuum of "who do we look up to" emerges, and people can genuinely believe or look up to whatever fills that vacuum.
*Male* heroes in particular.
Really? Did you just miss what they did to Princess Leia, or Sarah Connor?
@Grubnar Did I say "only male heroes got ruined" or did I just say "in particular"?
I see what you're saying and I don't disagree. But the over the top effort to try (and badly fail) to create female heroes has made it even worse. Destroy as many male characters as possible and dont fill the void with good female ones.
I grew up watching Buffy, and as I was young I never got just how many topics that show touched on. Yeah they did it in a cheesy way, but until the last few years I didnt think that it would be that difficult to create something like that. But it seems like it's impossible now.
@@mattmark94 Sorry. English is not my first, or even second language.
I looked it up.
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"he socialized with the other young people, one boy in particular"
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... I thought you meant it ONLY about "male heroes".
Sorry! My bad!