David Seymour on Co-Governance, Apartheid & being labeled a 'Useless Māori'
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- David Seymour says he is not playing dog whistle or apartheid style politics - and he’s not a useless Māori. No holding back in this discussion. Here's the full interview.
Thanks Moana, he’s got my vote. I’ll never vote labour or greens again.
Good riddance
@@russellturner1909hows that working out for you, Russ
Was never a fan of David until this video. The lady is rather angry and aggressive and David handled it very well with fact and logic. I’m surprised they even published this. Well done David. A new voter
This is always the case. I dont agree with David on many things, but he is always calm and respectful and gets treated badly. but when someone like chloe swarbrick gets emotional and angry, they all love her..
David is a good faith debater but they wanna pretend like hes crazy.
Ikr she a hitler of maori race
@@GumballEdits I wouldn't say he always debates in good faith. He tried to paint James Shaw as inciting violence over the treaty referdum and that he was irresponsible - Something which is quite irresponsible in itself.
New Zealand needs this man. Honest answers to questions -and saying the things that need to be said - things that the mainstream media never cover. This interviewer cannot see past her choice for prejudice over equality. David's composure answering her repeated attempts to goad him are admirable. She resorts to insults when she cannot prove her (unprovable) points.
Does it really ? If this guy wasn't a politician he'd be running a Ponzi scheme 👿
Judging by tonight's poll maybe,not so many are being taken in
I want a government that helps disadvantaged NZ citizens on the basis of their disadvantage, not their cultural identity. For me Seymour is on the right track here, there is a lot of Maori disadvantage, but striving to address it as one nation will lead to a better NZ than divisive twin governance will achieve.
Her interview technique seemed to be: ask a question, wait for perfectly reasonable and considered approach, then sigh and express horror. The scary thing is that she doesn't even realise how weak her position is. She probably thinks she won.
This will get memory holed once she realizes how ridiculous she is in the interview.
Her interview technique essentially is complain that his view isn't her own racist view.
Musn't have watched the same video I did
I hate her interview style
@robintamihere4550 Racist is as Racist does.
I'm looking forward to 9 years of a stable coalition government with good policies renegotiated each year, and none of the racist woke rubbish..
Seeing this has given people like me a glimmer of hope for New Zealand. Nice work David, great composure. Act gained a new supporter today. 🤙
Jingoz hea another one
Like David Seymour, I have Maori whakapapa and neither do I want any special rights at any table of authority simply because of it. Further, I don't accept that "advocating for Maori" requires or equates to co-governance - and if having a different viewpoint on this to Willie Jackson means I am also a "useless Maori" then I am happy to join that club!
Well said I'm with you on that one
Well done Seymour. Liberal democracy please. Universal human rights is not a zero sum game.
You mean pakeha rights ?
@@michellenicholls9039 You mean White or European or Caucasian rites ?
Right is right and left is wrong!
"Seek Higher" 🙋♂️💛
not only did David Seymore just own that interviewer, she got burned on each issue.
You must be a racist moron, congratulations dummy
Moana scored an "own goal"
If there's one thing history has taught us it's that race-based politics is always a bad idea.
I'm no act voter, but David handled himself so well.
Smashed it. Voting ACT. Equal say for all
It's funny because Moana probably has colonial ancestry, and the Chinese in Epsom don't
haha funny point.
Well done David. Great interview, for me it’s time we all in this country move forward as one and start looking forward to the future for our children and there children. It’s time for people to stop playing the victim. I hope we all can more in the same direction or this country will fall apart more than it is now which would be really sad.
That same mentality is why NZ hasn't moved forward but for the majority Pakeha Maori are still overrepresented in the negative statistics
" for me it’s time we all in this country move forward as one" Very easy to do when you're already at the top. Maybe it's time you read your own comment Johnny and stopped playing the victim!
@@stephenlennon7369 You can only legislate for equal opportunity, not equal outcomes. People are too diverse for that and if you try then you will go down the slippery slope of racism and division
Hes an idiot kupapa, the country will never be one until you racist colonizers apologize for the mess you created
@@stephenlennon7369 what... you can do more than just spout bot like comments about everything being a joke?
First time I've listened to David. I'm impressed with him, his ideas and ability to express himself calmly and clearly. As opposed to the interviewer who is below standard, slips easily into anger, judgment and repeating herself.
Lol you're funny
Yep she's out of her depth.
He’s getting my vote. He’s talking common sense. Most get shut down by being called a racist when you state the facts.
Well done David..you talk very well in a calm, relaxed fashion.
I am impressed!
Will be voting ACT next election…definitely not a wasted vote.
David is right. End of story. She is over and out of date.
I used to think reporters tried to be impartial, but this was cringe worthy. The ‘dog whistle’ argument she threw out multiple times, showed she didn’t have a good counter argument. David did a good job staying calm and making rational arguments.
Heard Newstalk ZB dummy? All those racist white bs artists on that radio station
in this country hard to find impartial reporters here in NZ,all others paid of
They must be muts to be hearing dog whistles constantly
David you have just reminded me why I support you and your party
Well done David! Calm and methodical versus cliche and 'colonial victimhood.'
Never liked that woman, and I dislike her even more now. Maybe she should be going back in history and asking why Te Rauparaha and other chiefs took so much delight in the murdering and cannibalism of thousands of innocent maori during the Musket wars. And maybe ask when the descendants of those chiefs apologise and offer reparation. But she won't.
Great work, Moana. This will make a great campaign video for ACT. It showed you are bereft of ideas, incapable of debating the facts, and contemptuous of non-Maori New Zealanders.
Well said.
well said David on behalf of 85% of NewZealanders. Thankyou
David wants nz to be a modern secular multi ethnic democracy...sounds good 👍
Yeah right.
With a proper Constitution
No he just wants to be in power.
We have to go with the people we've got here, so much work needed to be done though.
@@gregcave224 No he has promised to govern without ministerial positions and has shown before that an ACT National alliance will be careful
Mr David Seymour has my vote, My family arrived in New Zealand in the 1780s , my family helped clear the bush and build the cities, both my grand parents fought in world war 2 , I am just as much a new zealander as she is , she is very dangerous women .😢
well done David..I was a waverer on you before this, but that was great...that womaan!!!! according to her crime is overated and overeported...tell that to an Indian/chinese dairy owner...and other business owner who live in fear...
That's an interesting point considering how Moana seems to feel about crime.
Thats interesting that statistics just don't agree with. Who'd have thought that uninformed people would make shit up to justify their vote for a eugenicist.
He's got my vote . The taxes that the government take from me should never go towards people based on race, but need.
So why can't we spend tax money on Asian or Iraqi or Indian people
@alistermacpherson7120 we should it's called a public service that provides for all . Like education medical super etc etc. Just treat everyone the same. How hard is it?
The "elite" Maoris like MM just keep pushing for division. There's not much filter down to the average Maori. Why should people in this day and age keep paying out for a group of people to get more privilege. Imagine if we had the Pakeha Rugby Team?
Maori can do their stuff at the marae. David Seymour just wants a country where we are all treated EQUALLY
What a racist interviewer. She laughed when asked "why don't we have a health system for Chinese?", but expects everyone to understand why we need a separate one for Maori? The questions were just race baiting BS
I don’t appreciate how she treated him during this interview. That was pretty disrespectful and poor. You shouldn’t treat people like that.
"Noooo don't hold them accountable for using their language to advocate for worse incomes for Maori and PI 😭"
Totally agree.
What’s disrespectful and poor is colonization
Most maori are like this and worse when you disagree with them... If they want fair treatment then how come a chinese hospital is ridiculous when they want a maori everything
@@dragomilosevic4823this isn’t China do they have a hospital just for us in China
This man is brave and honest. Great traits for a leader.
I'm also not a ACT voter but David is right. He kept calm and sharp while Moana instally gets defensive. Right now as a country we have real concerns and this government is too busy spending on political correctness
Change your mind and vote or him He is our best chance of getting a liberal democracy with a proper constitution and equal rights for all citizens
ACT is not the answer nor is NAtional
@@Rotavegas1 lol yet a horse face who willfully divides and race bates is...
He keeps calm certainly, but he continues to get things entirely wrong and attempt to rewrite dictionary definitions, history, and facts. Then when he's faced with the facts, he rolls out the 'you're entitled to that opinion'. Shame we can't get the right wing to at least start from an agreed set of facts. Then there would be a chance to have a constructive conversation.
Moana has no arguement. And she knows it. Three Waters control feeding kids?...No answer. Then insults.
The interviewer made David shine. She spoke word salad woke garbage, he seemed logical and reasonable.
Are you saying he doesn't seem logical or reasonable in general settings?
Quite disappointing I thort.
For a lawyer Moana sounded nothing like one.
Just deflated and dismissive to reason.
Great insight David.
@@googleplussucksballs6666 TBH he’s not someone I’d generally tune into. Certainly will in the future though.
@@winwalker8248 gross, man. Get some better idols
@@googleplussucksballs6666 who would you suggest suck balls?
Well said David 👏 👌
I'm not an Act voter for other reasons, but David certainly lays out a clear case against the race-based policies being promoted by the current government and activists. He was calm and respectful in the interview and she....well, not so much. I appreciate the interview though. Very good to see the different ideas discussed.
Seymour is melodramatic, he lays out too simplistic arguments only why something has the notion of a serious issue, but is then completely devoid of any real contextual comparison. He does weaponize his whakapapa just like Winston and it's disgraceful
@@googleplussucksballs6666 BS
@@googleplussucksballs6666 gobbledegook
@@googleplussucksballs6666 here i was thinking it was cindy that claimed one person one vote in a democracy was overly simplistic
@@googleplussucksballs6666 And Moana put up some convincing arguments like "you're dog whistling." Yeah, really impressive and argument winning...
This reporter is showing her lack of understanding of early Maori history before the Treaty was signed in 1840. Left to their own devices prior to the Treaty Maori were killing each other off at an alarming rate with their tribal wars based of past unresolved Utu (revenge) issues. European Colonization of New Zealand was the saving grace of the Maori population left after the musket wars prior to the Treaty.
Part of the reason the musket war happen was due to manipulation from the crown. They couldn't outright take the country by force like they did in other countries such as Australia. Musket wars were fueled to weaken Maori population, just like what they did in india
Not true, the musket wars were an escalation of existing tribal conflicts. The British were very reluctant to provide Māori with modern weapons. The crown gifted Hone Hika agricultural equipment when he visited England and he traded them for muskets and powder in Sydney before he got home.
Great interview - David did well.
David always does right, Real commonsense for NZ. Labour what a joke.
Moana got dealt to here. She had no answers.
no answers? so you just ate up everything David said then did you? wow 😅
@@ralphwiggum3463 - did you actually watch it? Seymour even had to ask her at one point not to answer a question with a question. Why did she do so? Because she knew she had nothing to back up her position except calling him a dog whistler.
Anyone with half a brain knows that structuring a society where those of a certain colour or ancestry have more sway than others is a recipe for disaster. What's it called agin? Aparthied. A policy or system of segregation or discrimination on grounds of race. Didn't work out so well in South Africa.
@@warwickyoung120 you say that like aparthied hasnt already been here in NZ's history like the oppression against maori and their culture lmao give it up already and let maori finally have equality and equity in their lives like the rest of us pakeha have always had.
I'm with David. He's spot on
Moana , please explain what makes Maori indigenous . Maori arose , came to be , somewhere else , not in New Zealand . As I understand it , they came to New Zealand from islands in eastern Polynesia . Further to that , it seems likely that they came out into the Pacific , from Taiwan , based on the DNA evidence . So , are they indigenous to three different places ? To be indigenous is to have arisen in a particular region or place . By this correct definition , Maori do not qualify as indigenous . Not to worry though , such has been the movement around the globe of humankind over many thousands of years , that many ,many different peoples do not qualify as being indigenous to the land where they now live . Where is co-governance spelled out in the treaty , can you point me to the wording that defines that idea ? It is anti-democratic and that is the danger for it is the start of the slippery slope that does threaten to end in something like apartheid .
So impressed with this guy.
Moana reminds me of Willie Jackson - contemptuous and flippant. David showed a lot of patience.
Yeah , she doesn't want to hear what he has to say just get her position across .
Willie Jackson is a man of very limited intelligence,just a stuffed shirt with a massive grivence complex.
Well done to david seymour, smart guy, speaks alot if sense, the interviewer looked completely desparate
The way David speaks at 8.20 (about putting race into heathcare) is spot-on...there are lots of people who struggle with heathcare issues - regardless of race.
The three waters gives 16% of the population 50% of the control by reducing 84% of the population to 50%.
It’s apartheid, separateness. One group empowered at the expense of the other.
She sounds horrible, and comes across as someone who has already made their mind up that David is the enemy. She uses tones and facial expressions that confirms this. When David answers her questions with calm, honest answers, instead of engaging in respectful dialog she hits him with her next pre-planned question/accusation.
Contemptuous. . sums her up to a tee.
Because the man is being dishonest to her face. He is trying to incite racial hatred by constantly using emotive language like apartheid for strengthening neglected Maori outcomes. Then have the nerve to pretend just because hes Maori he can't be racist towards them. WHILE HE FUCKING LITTERS HIS SENTENCES WITH DOGWHISTLES. All his supporters celebrating this like this doesn't make you look like unhinged racists is hilarious. Enjoy the next election when you get your backs blown out again.
@@drdeeznut you've got a problem mate.
I love the way David called out her racism towards Chinese NZers. David's calm through this is impressive.
The interviewer won't admit that she believes that the 15/16s-European ancestors of Maori deserve unique special privileges and financial gains beyond those given all other New Zealand citizens. Seymour described his ideas clearly. The interviewer just called David names, and could not defend her race-based beliefs.
While there is no question that there were a great many inequitable outcomes for Maori due to colonization - some of which persist to this day - there are a great many people of all backgrounds who started with nothing and through hard mahi, and perhaps some luck, they got ahead, especially in democratic societies. Nobody has a monopoly on suffering or having felt some sense of injustice in life, whether individually or otherwise. If one reinforces ones own sense of having suffered as though to suggest this is special suffering, then this can serve to perpetuate the suffering by re-living it over and over again. The entire history of the world has gone through immense suffering, which prevails to this very day with things like war, disease, abject poverty and all manner of other deficiencies inherent with the human condition. No one and nothing is perfect. No one people can claim they've not had blood on their hands. 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone'.
One thing which is interesting in this whole sphere of this often pseudo debate is that we never really learn about certain aspects of Maori life prior to colonization. Inconvenient truths as it were. Particular facets of life that are just not spoken about, such as slavery for example or human sacrifice. We learn about land wars and various other related things where Maori were victimized and disenfranchised, but never about what Maori were doing to themselves in terms of their culture. Not to put too fine a point on that because every one through history did the exact same things, and much worse in fact.
History should be about the good the bad and the ugly if we are to gain any half reasonable perspective on ourselves as the human race. If we engage in revisionism and romanticize the past as though to suggest it was all good then we do a disservice to ourselves in so memory holing the truth. Such a regressive approach is happening in many area's.
While I'd not doubt that there were times of joy and great prosperity prior to colonization, there were also times of immense suffering too. When human rights came to the fore, and the rule of law, and land tenure and higher education and advanced farming, and democracy, to name but a few positives, I would hazard a guess that despite many inequities too, life for most Maori improved greatly. Why is this not said? Was colonization all bad?
It's been said often, recently, 'trust the science'. Well, science would have us believe that the entire human race arose from one mother. DNA suggests this is the case.
If someone is in need of help or support, if they are poor for example, then they should be helped. That is in every ones interest. But this should not be based upon race, rather, need. I personally do not care what race any one is. I am more interested in the content of ones character; their heart; their actions. We can all do better.
Kia kaha. ;)
You do realize colonisation wasn't for the benefit of Maori, it was for the benefit of the British. And the British that came have benefitted off the system created by them for them and their decendants. Maori were largely ignored for over 180 years treated as second class citizens, let's not think that the past 40years of bread crumbs makes up for that.
@@johnbrown3764 My post neglected to mention that colonization was something that happened all over the world since day one. Whether this consisted of tribalism(wars) within one country or greater wars(millions killed) between countries, or even wars between individuals, 'it' was something even Maori were engaged in, often. In effect, 'winner takes all'. That was how things were done before things like law and human rights and democracy arose. Maori were no exception. They were just like every one else. They still are. We are all part of the human race.
To be sure, the worst atrocities in the history of the world took place outside Aotearoa. What happened in NZ, due to colonization(the bad) is relatively mild in an 'international context'. But this in no way is to suggest that grievances experienced by Maori, and inequity perpetrated on Maori by colonization should not be addressed meaningfully, ie settlements and other avenues of redress within a rational society which respects the past. That has to be better than just, "I won it in war, so I own it all". For was not 'that' part of the Maori way prior to colonization? Just like the entire history of the world? We live and we learn. Together we advance, peacefully and with consideration of past injustices.
We all share a common ancestor. Before that, we emanated from stars. This is what science tells us. A rising tide lifts all waka. Some may get more than others, and others start off with very little, but this does not infer that hard work, diligence and discipline will not bring forth fruit in a place like NZ. We all struggle at times in this life and it does not so readily discriminate based on race. Misfortune and fate will dictate all by themselves. Often times, all people are their own worst enemies. Suffering, it can be argued, is, and always was, and always will be, part of the human experience. Only God knows the true score.
'Forgive them for they know not what they do'.
I can't argue with that.
Very well said , and it is a most important thing to be said . Life , for the great majority of humans is in some sense a struggle . Fight real inequity , sure , but do not perpetuate the fallacy that it is the only reason for failure . Humanity is quite likely , still not very far along the road of any kind of full development of what really is human . We all have a whole lot of work to do in that regard .
Everyone should read "New Zealand The Benefits of Colonisation" by Adam Plover. Quite insightful in providing a picture of what Maori tikanga, matauranga Maori and te ao Maori, i.e. Maori life was generally like before colonisation. Not a great deal better than a living hell, but fortunately most didn't have to endure it for long given life expectancies of the time. On the whole, the benefits far outweigh the very few detriments.
@@utubermax the irony is colonisation for Maori meant that more than half of Maori died from diseases brought here by pakeha, and then because of the theft of land and access to their resources by greedy land grabbing pakeha Maori were left to struggle and died from poverty. So funny how you think that colonisation was good, your looking at it from your racist colonial supremacists view. Colonisation wasn't good for Maori, or are you saying its only been good for the Maori that have survived. Also the colonial story tellers always had a way of demonizing indigenous people or anyone that was different to them, and having the white saviour complex seemed to think that if a white man treats you bad it's for your own good. It so funny how white man always tells other people's history but never tell their own why is that. You know the true white man history of lies and greed, broken promises, no honour, the largest slave trade in human history. Christianity and the molestation and murder of Indigenous children. Who thought I know I will infect blankets with diseases then share them with indigenous people in the hopes they will get sick and die, only the white man. No honour what so ever that is you utubermax
Who the f**K said Maori are disempowered? Equal opportunities for all New Zealanders. Keep race out of the discussion. David I fully support you.
Most Maori.
This was more an activist protest rather than an interview
He is correct on the apartheid question. Apartheid was build as ‘seperate development’ which is really what the government wants.
Farrrrk off
@@the1likenutez - yes, we can see that with you the truth really hurts.
This lady's idea of an argument is to scoff rather than provide an actual counter point
Good to see this thanks Moana. As a kiwi I like the way David's identified as being Maori, that's great. He's correct in that this Labour Govt has directly undertaken the undemocratic promotion of Maori, this is not a balanced NZ view at all, it's blatantly divisive as us kiwis know and not a good thing for our country. And, unfortunately as the interviewer Moana came across as being a person fighting for survival in a world ruled by 'white' people, and that's lamentable, you need to lose that victim stance, it's just 'past use by date' this day and age.
Brilliantly put!
@robintamihere4550 Robin, Maori ceded sovereignty to the Crown with the Treaty in 1840, that you well know. And your constant bleating of Maori being the 'victim' is past its use by date well and truly, grow up, be a man and of benefit to the country for God's sake.
@robintamihere4550 You are living in a bubble aren't you. Start smelling the roses and move on from your victimhood mentality Robin.
He has my vote. This is exactly what needs to happen.There is no room for race based policies in a democracy.
Buhahaha 😂 keep the jokes coming lol
This country was founded on race based policies.
@@johnbrown3764 I agree with you. However I believe they set out to amend that now and look to the future where race based policies or not the case
@@jimmychoppa1997 how are they trying to make amends exactly.
Voted ACT last time and will again. The race-based policies that this government is forcing upon New Zealanders are disgusting. Apartheid is now here. The greatest dog whistles are the Labour, Maori, and Green parties.
An important interview. A pity the interviewer was poorly prepared and driven primarily by her quite hostile emotions. David S handled this well.
I pity you,
How do you answer white collar crime,,when we go jail for fuk all,,and yous get home detention for ripping system off hundreds of thousands,wat a joke, intuition racism
Cope beyy
@@dragomilosevic4823 jingoz beyy
Brilliant performance by David being interviewed by a person who believes Maori should get special treatment
“ have their cake and eat it “
I’m voting for David because he is genuine a realist,
The alternatives are all dishonest self serving shortsighted.
Well spoken David. After this would vote Act. Sensible words.
Buhahaha 😂 keep the jokes coming lol
@@stephenlennon7369 - good to see the intellectual in you coming out.
Good on you David. Keep up the great work you are doing. You will certainly get my votes. Only sense around. Not real sure we can get things back though. We can only try.
David is an outstanding politician. Could we have him as PM please?
Hes a clown you might support racist but Kiwis dont
Thankfully that won't happen
Excellent work David.
Well done David, goes to show you can't talk sense to the senseless. Many points here well argued and properly explained to be shut down quickly with 'dog whistling'.
But he is dog whistling... strawman argument.
That he dramatizes the state of nz compared to apartheid South Africa because of co governance or maori institutions like the health authority, some willing listeners like yourself accept his weak argument as logical and we end up with reinforced racists
Well judging by ACts dive in the Polls tonight,maybe are starting to see the wheels starting to fall off,do I hear Winston approaching fast
I've voted Labour my whole life, but co-governance will see me vote National/Act.
Wow ... talk about walking into the Lion's den and walking out without a scratch!!! Although, I shouldn't refer to Moana as a Lion-ess ... she's more of a spitting cobra!
On target David
If racial separatism and special entitlement for people with any trace of Maori ancestry is justified by the Treaty, I have two questions for Moana:
1. For a person with mixed ancestry, say part Maori and part British, with the Maori part claiming special privileges because of Maori ancestry, does the British ancestry part has any obligation to facilitate such privileges, or is this part of ancestry simply ignored in this instance?
2. The Treaty was signed by Maori and the British. As I don't have neither Maori nor British ancestry, my ancestors were not party to any treaty. So what is my actual status in this country? Am I an alien, a guest to Maori, to the British, a foreigner, a third class citizen, a Kiwi, or what am I?
You are an extra bank account for them
David is right
About?
He's straight forward knows his stuff and I think he's a good voice.The treaty has been honored and Jacinda is tinkering around the edges in a kind way which will end in a bad way.good show also
No it hasn't it BS
The treaty has never been honoured. The late queen of England even acknowledged that. Your lying to yourself.
Hes an idiot, you might like him if youre a racist thats about it
What a stupid ass comment 🤣
@@johnbrown3764 You appear to have too much time on your hands...and you don't get thinking people over to your point of view with a continuous stream of carefully manipulated revisionist history talking-points, while deflecting away anything contrary to your partisan message. If this great country is going to succeed in the long term, the way forward (above these ongoing conversations) for success and cohesion must be "We are all New Zealanders", ie NZ citizenship must be revered above all else
Reading the comments with 100% support for David makes me laugh. ACT should employ her as their campaign manager. I'd say this backfired spectacularly. She was not on the same page as David intellectually. David ate her for breakfast.
What a pathetic attempt at balanced, unbiased journalism. David Seymour did a great job telling the truth. Well done Mr Seymour. Stick with the truth and you can't go wrong.
Go-governance is apartheid - pure and simple. Mandating a percentage of government contracts be given to Maori is also apartheid. I don't want my tax dollars paying for contracts based on race. It MUST be on merit. The justifications for these policies is irrational and illogical.
The crime of apartheid is defined by the 2002 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court as inhumane acts of a character similar to other crimes against humanity "committed in the context of an institutionalized regime of systematic oppression and domination by one racial group over any other racial group or ...
Mark Ryan you obviously don't know what apartheid means. How come co governance is apartheid now, yet it wasn't under the previous national government alongside act and the Maori party who started these co governance arrangements. Short memories or are you an act party brown tongue.
" The justifications for these policies is irrational and illogical." a simple understanding of the treaty and a non-white washed view of NZ history would make it understandable for you. Looks like you have some reading to do ;)
It is nepotism
Exactly. Co-governence is only benefiting Maori. When you have a society only benefiting 1 race over all others, it's Apartheid.
Keep up the good work david, You have my vote.
Interesting interviewing style. When your guest says something you disagree with, you immediately start shouting.
That’s what being defensive is, especially when you know your argument is floored, biased, irrational, and divisive. David did incredibly well. His view on our future is exactly where we want NZ to be !
The interviewer was rude, emotional and combative. Needs to learn how to debate without succumbing to logical fallacies
It's in her d.n.a. ...
fascinating to note how quickly the interviewer dropped to personal remarks when faced with an ethical question...
Her narrow dogma against reason and objectivity... no contest.
This was like watching a parochial version of the infamous "so you're saying" interview with Cathy Newman.
Excellent comparison!!
100%
Great interview David Seymore never fails to deliver on logic, a steadying manner and definitely a person who will do good work on behalf of New Zealanders.
He made an extremely weak argument around apartheid, no logic there
Whatever idiot hes a kupapa racist
An intelligent, articulate, broad minded and inclusive approach from a useful (irrespective of race) politician! Well done.. we need more thought and dialog like this.
Absolutely brilliant David. Carefully and patiently answers a blind, evil and obviously ignorant woman. 🙄 Will always have my support Dave.
Do we cancel co-governance once the historical inequities are addressed? Do you just want two separate countries? When do we become one?
Co governance is part of addressing the inequities.
She just described what is currently happening in NZ when she read the dictionary definition of "Apartheid"
Exactly! laughable really.
Yes but she was too thick to understand it!
Act National. This reporter has a very bad way to come across. She looks bad.
Moana got schooled, this is exactly why i am voting Act.
absolutely thrashed by david seymour, have some respect, he is a voted in member of parliament in the most diverse seat in the house
His Epsom seat is gifted to him by national, act is just that an act. David Seymour knows his pretend anti treaty stance will get him votes and money, but when he was in government with the previous national government he supported everything he is now saying he's against. He helped national start these co management/governance arrangements. He was there when He Puapua was created. David only cares about the $ that comes from the comfortable seat he's been given knowing full well that he can say anything but not be obligated to fullfil this promises. He will never have the balls to back up what he's saying. He's a Winston Peter's wannabe.
He only got elected because National did not stand a candidate.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Got my vote!
David Seymour…a breath of fresh air, and hope for New Zealand, and about time common sense.
David keeping calm and iterviewer looses her shit. Haha very profesional
David is an awesome Maori 😁 ... so is the interviewer a smart lady 💯 entertaining.
The interviewer is far too emotional and isn't capable of actually hearing what David is saying. Fully out of her depth. I'm no fan of David but the points he raised are legitimate and it's dishonest to just scream "dog-whistling" when, if his ideas are that crazy, you'd be able to attack them at the core. She just came across as super incompetent and made him look good, which I'm sure wasn't her intention
David is a great leader. He has the solution for almost every problem country is facing.
Funny how a minor party can have so many answers when they are dependent on National to do anything
What a rude interviewer!
Why not Polynesian???
Awesome exchange. David was incredible calm factual on point. Such an emotionally intelligent man. The fact is there is not one governance system that enables an individual to determine his her future prosperity equality freedoms other than those established through the British rule of law and democracy. access to free education and health gives a huge hand up to those that want to succeed through hard work. All the rest dominate by fear wars tribalism bloodshed greed power. The few are prosperous over the majority
Moana. Tell why not Chinese health authority. Why not pacific island health authority
Why does this lady have so much contempt for Chinese? They are people too. Often their background is a lot harsher than anyone in this country has ever experienced, yet they mostly work hard and abide by the law.
David won that one
This interviewer shows her level of contempt for every New Zealander who’s not Māori. How she reacted to the phrase “Chinese health authority”. You’ve been shown up. She had NO valid answers for the questions David had & changed the subject when it got too real. Continued to attack him & sounded angry & patronising. It’s people like this that put everyone off the idea of co-governance. David got more votes from this interview. A pity you’re agenda didn’t work out!
The truth is hard for some to swallow. Well done David.
Moana, you or I, do NOT control anybodies water, in their well, from the sky, from the rivers. We don't. Only God does.
I think she should have said agree to disagree because she's just not smart enough. Debate should be between intellectual equals and a rebuttal of "lets move on" or "that's just dog whistling'' just doesn't cut it, particularly when all she did was dog whistle herself.