if MT 07 had inverted suspensions and slipper clutch (maybe curve ABS), it would be the best bike out of three. I think the best bike here is the MT 09
@Who Cares depends on what you want it for. It is the cheapest and the best on fuel of the three. To him, the value you get plus the fact that it is a fuel saver that is pretty comfortable for longer rides may make it the best one to him. I personally still see the MT-10 as being the best. Why? Because I love that crossplane sound plus like having all the power at my fingertips if I want it, but want a more comfortable ride and lower price than what I'd get with buying an r1
You can invert the suspension yourself (beauty of Yamaha and the rest of Japanese bikes...easy to work on). It is very easy to do. Many swap out the fork to R6 forks...very easy to do. Personally, I do not like slipper clutch but that I am sure is a mod you can get as well.
@Hessenrider In a world where light weight is important and you wont be using that extra HP on the roads you are riding on. Also its not 50hp less then the 09, its 40. Plus the CP2 is an award winning motor and has a better track record for reliability. It has no ride by wire throttle delay. List goes on my friend.
@Hessenrider Lol dude you crack me up. Best is subjective. Whats best for you is not necessarily best for someone else. What false facts am I spreading?
Have had my new 2021 MT09SP for 9 days now. Previously had a 2019 MT09. Before that a 2018 MT07 Lams. The new bike is out of this world amazing. Feels much more stable in the twisties . Could be the SP suspension helping. Quick shifter is superb, up and down. Highly recommend the 09SP. It’s a dream to ride. . I can see myself owning this bike for quite a while. The Akrapovic exhaust sounds beautiful.
I've had my MT10 for 3 1/2 years now and the only bike I'd swap it for is an MT10 SP. There was some silly talk last year, about a new MT10 using an 09 engine with a turbo. That seems to have gone now, and I wouldn't have wanted to lose that CP4 sound. The MT10 has one of, if not the greatest bike engines of all time, and I've been riding bikes for well over 50 years. When you really wind that thing up, that sound is utterly addictive and keeping the front wheel down is quite difficult, when first gear is good for over 80mph and over 100mph in second. Just a fantastic bike and the one of my collection, that I choose more often, than any other.
For the first time in over 39 years I'm going to apply for my motorcycle permit. I've been determined to get a KTM duke 390, however I've been seriously considering the Mt-07. Any thoughts? Just an FYI, I've never rode a motorcycle...
@@Robocoppat The 390 is a great little machine, nice and light, zippy single, quite premium feeling suspension and brakes. The advantages of the MT I'd say is a little more relaxed a bit overall, the engine is a real gem, the brakes and suspension are a bit more basic, but still well within what I'd want. If you think you'll upgrade sooner, the 390 being cheaper could be more attractive too, depending if you're buying new or not.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks for the quick response. Considering I cannot find the Duke I want near me(east coast) I started considering the Yamaha. I plan on buying new if that helps. The MT or the 390 will be my first bike. And I plan on riding it for awhile.
@@Robocoppat For a longer term option I think the MT is great and while we haven't seen any big updates with some of the fancier stuff like electronics, it's a testament to how good a bike it is.
Lol I have a 2021 mt09 and like 2 weeks ago at a group ride I roll raced an mt10. From 0 to 100 it's pretty much dead even, past 100 the 10 pulls away. Both great bikes but the 09 can Def touch the 10. It just can't hold it
Solid comparison of the MT lineup. I wish they would announce the updated MT-10 already though. I'd like to compare it with the current before deciding.
Really great review. I loved the detailed comparison between the models, particularly the 9 and 10. Really for me it comes down to those two and the Ninja 1000SX. Pros and cons for all, but I don't think I could go wrong with any of them. My heart loves the sound of the 10, but wallet likes the 9.
Ride the 09 before you decide - I can assure you you'll find the 09 to be surprisingly strong!! It has that liter bike immediacy, light weight and now they've gotten the handling more "sport bike" than "supermotard".
I picking up my mt7 tomorrow i am 6ft 190 llbs not alot of on road experience shouls 4:33 i jumb too the 9 .am i too big for the 7 as my insurance rate is 64 dollars a month will it fo up
I have a 2016 Mt-09. I will not upgrade sideways. If/When the Mt-10 will get upgraded it´s the only choice for me. I really love the Mt-09s engine. But after testriding the ten last year, it´s a completely different beast. The power from that crossplane engine after 7 k rpm is intoxicating....
i picked up an MT09 ex demo with 120 miles on it for 7.5k yesterday. its spent its whole life in a showroom looked after by professional mechs and valets.
I have a deposit down on an 09-SP model. Here in the states they're almost impossible to get. I've been waiting for a couple months now. I'm sure excited! I'm curious to see how it stands up next to my Datyona 675.
I'd love to hear what you think about the comparison, having owned a 675 myself. In the past I was tempted to get a Street Triple over the older MT-09s but loved the style of the Daytona and ended up going for that.
Thanks Kris, nice review. For me (at 189 cms / 90 kgs, without gear) the MT-07 has never been a bike that works. Yes, I’m outside the “normal” range for a basic budget suspension however even smaller and lighter riders have complained that when pushed it just feels disconnected to the road and doesn’t inspire confidence. I know it’s aimed at learner riders who possibly won’t be able to a) notice this or b) have the abilities to push the boundaries and capabilities of this bike. For me, as I’ve been fortunate enough (like you) to have ridden each bike in this particular class, is the worst handling of them all. Yes it’s light and playful, has an intoxicating sound track thanks to the 270 degree crank, it’s just let down by the suspension and chassis. Which, like you said has improved, just not by much. If only they applied the same treatment that the 09 received, to make it actually handle properly I think it would be a much better package and not cost much more. 👍😎🇦🇺
The MT-09 definitely proves we can get a lot of amazing changes without the price going through the roof. I think the R7 will probably offer most of those updates if I'm honest, and then maybe we'll see some of them adopted onto the MT-07 as well, which would be great and explain why it's relatively unchanged. If the R7 offers something like the RS 660 but at a much lower price point I can definitely see it being very very popular, then we get all the development making it's way to the MT-07 and maybe even the Tracer 700/XSR700. I'd say the real strength of the MT-07 though is if you're not pushing past the bike's limits, but of course they are much more easily reached compared to the MT-09 and MT-10, and it's definitely the most basis of the bunch by a fair margin!
@@marcusgeorge1825 I'm kinda hoping it ends up similar spec to the new MT-09 with the MT-07 engine. I guess they just have to be careful to keep the MT-07s priced right with any updates to retain the popularity and mass appeal.
Kind of! The MT-07 has a more basic suspension setup, so it's a bit softer overall and offers good comfort, if you suit the suspension setup of the MT-07 really well (close to what the engineers designed it for). It's a one size fits all kind of setup and very generalised. The MT-09 is a bit sportier and more taut which in some circumstances may mean less outright comfort, but also probably offers a better overall ride, especially riding hard, with more adjustability to suit more riders.
I would get the mt-10 if all they did was improve mpg’s by 25%+ and put more torque down low and not in mid range where you’re already going at or above the posted speed limits. I prefer it’s looks and sound over the others
The sound of that MT-10 has to be one of the best out there. But that fuel mileage is quite terrible, I guess it's good value based on grins per litre, but km/L is a different story!
Great review, thanks mate. Going off a LAMS CB500F I was looking at the 09SP. Now you have me thinking about the 10, particularly the ‘22 update. But until post-LAMS the only way to decide will be ass-in-seat.
Definitely worth checking them out in person to see what you like as they are quite distinct offerings, the 09 is no slouch, but the 10 is just wicked and takes it to another level.
just a quick question, it is legal to put a slip on on the lams version of the bike? A friend of mine said it isnt but was wondering if you knew. Thanks!
By the wording of the rules here in NSW you're not allowed to modify the bike in any way at all, but it's a risk many people take and from everyone I've talked to it's not normally something people get picked up on, on it's own. If it's an obnoxiously loud exhaust, that tends to draw the wrong attention. It may vary from state to state though. That rule covers anything from crash protection to brighter indicators or lights, to spools though, and most second hand bikes are modified in some way, however minor.
I didn’t care for the MT07 or MT09. I don’t see what all the hoopla is about. I would rather have a used GSXS 1000. I wrote it shortly after the Yamaha’s and it was way more fun.
The hoopla is the mt10 is a waste of money compared to the mt09 The reason is your buying extra weight which brings reduced agility. Reality is 99% of your riding would be under 100mph. And majority of your riding would be city driving with occasional highway rides. That is why the reduced 50 pounds is so important. What happens is most people get caught up in "magazine talk". They see hp numbers and get excited about how much the mt10 has . But what they don't know is the mt09 is almost identical speed up to 100mph. Only then does the mt10 start to pull away. But nobody drive that speed unless they want to kill someone or themselves. That speed is for race tracks . So this is why nobody with riding experience buys the mt10 That's usually purchased buy very young guys who simply want the bragging rights of the HP . Torque and reduced weight is what makes a bike truly fun and the Mt 09 has that And the fact is if for whatever reason you needed more power power out of the mt09 to match the mt10 then simply flash it and change exhaust. A used mt10 is same price as brand new mt09 so that is another bonus. The list is endless why the mt09 is better for driving in real world conditions .
As amazing as the R6 are, I think something like the MT-09 or 10 are such a nice option for the road, especially from the comfort perspective. That just be me getting older, but the upright ergos are more of a drawcard these days on the road.
Really interesting to know that the presentation by Yamaha of the MT 2021 range has only just taken place in Australia. I really thought these press presentations were happening all over the world at the same time. But here in France, the MT 07 was presented in Marseille around January 20, 2021 and the MT 09 in the very first days of March 2021 also in Marseille. And they were in dealerships shortly after their introductions. I also noticed that the prices were different between Europe and Australia. Here the MT 07 is worth € 7,299 or AU$ 11,503 and the MT 09 is € 9,500 or AU$ 14,972. The MT 09 SP is worth € 10,999, which comes to AU$ 17,335 for the day. And here the MT 07 A2 (47.5ps) for young licences is the same price as the "big one" in 73.4ps, while I heard that in Australia the 52 ps version for the new motorcycle licences was less expensive than the normal version. Why, it's not the same bike ? Otherwise I wanted to send you my congratulations, your article on these different MT 2021 is very good and your impressions and conclusions are correct. I have a personal fight and I would like the journalists to help me a little in this fight, it is about the dashboards of certain motorcycles. For example here with the MT 07 and MT 10, putting an LCD display in 2021 is just a shame when you know the price of TFT screens which has fallen a lot in recent years. And for the new MT 09, putting a color TFT screen this year is good, but 3.5 "... a pure shame! When we see that BMW equips its F900R (at 8870 €, therefore cheaper than an MT 09!) With a magnificent 6.5 " TFT color screen with Connectivity, bravo BMW ! And for KTM or Ducati it's the same as at BMW ... but it is true that there the machines are often more expensive. In short, some manufacturers, like Yamaha here, make fun of us bikers who are buyers by wanting to save money in order to earn more money. And we deserve better! Thanks Kris for helping us in this fight, and bye from France ! ✌
We have to wait for the bikes to arrive all the way down here, but the MT-07 was available earlier than the launch. Our MT-07 LA is a totally different 655cc engine though, which might explain the price difference. I get what you're saying and while I think a TFT is increasingly becoming the norm, to play the devils advocate, phone connectivity is cool but not something I'd personally pay more for, except on a touring bike, if I could sync my GPS to the dash. As you mentioned though the TFTs are becoming fairly inexpensive to produce when we see some of the much smaller machines with them, but then a TFT wouldn't be anywhere near as cool as the dash on the MT-07 as they just tend to be square. The MT-10 is due of course, however we're still waiting for that update.
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you very much for your answer Kris. We are on the same line and I will not pay more to have a connection between my mobile phone and the dashboard of my bike, but what I wanted to say is that on the BMW F900 R (a motorcycle at a reasonable price and comparable to the price of the MT 09 2021) offered not only a magnificent and large color TFT screen but also the "BMW Connectivity" system without paying an option, and which allows the GPS to be displayed on the dashboard , music, text messages, etc ... that can be managed with the left stalk controls on the handlebar. Compared to this, the new TFT display of the MT 09 which is as big as a postage stamp looks shabby ... But that was just one example and the motorcycles on which manufacturers are now saving on dashboards (to our detriment) are plentiful, and it didn't exist before. While there is more and more information on the screens ... All the best !
I'd definitely recommend the MT-07 of the two, it's a little more inviting than the 09, but still a great machine. I think you'd want a really good reason to go straight to the MT-09, not that it's impossible, but it's a lot more bike, and will be more challenging as a new rider. The newest generation MT-09 is much more forgiving than the older versions, but it's still a weapon.
Great comparison Kris. Am tossing up between MT09, MT09 SP, or new XSR900. Does the new new XSR also get upgraded suspension? What are your thoughts from a value and resale proposition?
Honestly I'd probably go the XSR900 personally, the suspension seems to be shared between models from what I can see alongside the rest of the updates, however that choice is largely based on looks. I think you really need to like the SP paint scheme, alongside the Ohlins shock to justify that over the base model, which honestly is fantastic as it is.
@@MotoJournoKris appreciate your thoughts. I think the XSR and SP are both going for $17,299 - but am personally digging the 80’s vibe, but have to wait until April I’ve been told. Patience is a virtue apparently..
@@matthewwhite7891 That would make the XSR harder to justify over the MT-09 personally if bang for buck was a big concern, but follow the theme of it carrying a premium, although I think it's only a $500 difference in the US. With the Z900RS I definitely thought it warranted the pretty steep price difference over the Z900 so that might be the case here when I see one in person, although it looks like the ride MT and XSR are more similar in many ways.
Been riding a mt07 for a while just picked up my brand new mt09sp an I say well the worth, an got it Almost the same price as the standard mt09 since when you make a good relationship with your local Yamaha salesman.
Awesome, that's a great upgrade and sounds like you got an amazing price too. I've been kind of wishing I went an MT-09 over my WR250R recently LOL! Definitely helps having a good relationship with your local dealer too, I think people forget that loyalty is still rewarded in some places, and obviously it goes both ways.
Thanks for a great review Kris. The MT09 sounds like it’s come along in leaps and bounds and is now an almost perfect bike for a fantastic price. However, I just can’t fall in love with the looks. Maybe it looks better in the flesh? If I was in the market for a new bike I’d probably wait for the XSR900 as I love the look of the current one.
I do think it's better in the flesh, maybe because you look more at the whole bike, but at the end of the day looks are pretty subjective. You can't force yourself to like something, and I do think loving the look of your bike is a big part of the experience. No point having the 'best' bike in the world if you don't get that feeling of pride every time you park it. Plus it'll be really cool to see the XSR with these updates!
New Mt-09 is just about a perfect bike for me on paper. I don't even hate the looks. Wanted to love it. But then I went to a demo day and rode one... and decided I simply don't like triples. Didn't like my buddies Street Triple either. Something about the triple sound or vibes or whatever just doesn't sync up with my mechanical empathy. Hopped on an MT-10 and fell in love with the motor instantly. I wonder if my demo MT-09 wasn't also low on tire pressure. Had to hold slight pressure on the inside bar to hold it on line. The MT-10 was 100% neutral and on rails. Lot of people love their triples though. Lesson here is an inconvenient one. You really really have to ride a bike before you can judge it. No amount of research and watching reviews can tell you everything. And can't even start to tell you one of the most important things - the connection you will feel to the motor.
@@MotoJournoKris That is fine. By the way, l am enjoying your content been following it regularly. My only gripe is the length, yours are routinely under ten minutes. How about longer videos? Any chance of a shootout, XSR 900/ 700, MT - 09, MT 10, Tracer 900? l am really keen on these, money being no option l would get them all.
@@bobojo8591 Glad you're liking the vids, can definitely do longer, always just a little concerned about boring people! Shootouts and comparisons normally come down to if I'm lucky enough to have a few bikes at the same time, or fairly close together. Definitely hoping to test the Tracer 9 when it arrives.
I wouldn't want the LAMS 07, Kris. I'd say the 09 is better than the 10 at 2/3 the price. I don't want any of these, but if I did, given I'm in Thailand, it would be the 07. But then I'd have an SV650 instead. Good review, as ever.
Yep that's the kicker. I normally consider 'best' before looking at price, then you've got to figure out if something is that much better that it justifies the price difference, which gets complicated. For value it's very very hard to go past the new MT-09.
I wouldn't have said so, but it probably depends on what you like as far as motorcycle ergos. The MT-07 is definitely more compact than the -09 or -10. As for insurance it depends on a lot of factors. I know some older riders who get very good rates on most bikes, I personally still see a noticeable jump as I look further up the capacity range.
What’s the most comfortable mid level (about 600-700cc) sports bike in terms of riding posture and suspension damping? Cause I don’t want to feel tired after couple of hours of riding around on weekends. Any suggestions?
Sportsbikes like faired machines, or nakedbikes like the MTs? I think most nakeds are pretty comfortable these days as far as ergos, however the suspension can vary greatly in the setup. Bikes like the MT-07 offer a bit of a softer setup but that helps comfort, where competition like the Z650 it's more taught and sportier. The seat is often the part that needs upgrading if you're having comfort issues.
@@kashsres1064 Oh got it, maybe a Kawasaki Ninja 650, it's more nakedbike ergonomics than sportsbike, so comfort is a strong point. Alternatively the Yamaha R7 is a good 650 option if you want the more aggressive sportsbike ergonomics and are less worried about comfort, as a compromise somewhere between the Ninja 650 and something like the R6 or ZXi6R. The Honda CBR650R would be another option similar to the R7 in some ways, and is an inline four as something a bit different. Supersport (600 cc race machines) are kind of the next step from there, but are far less comfortable, generally being more extreme than the R7, and are more track orientated.
is the mt09 in TCS 2 and Dmode level 4 more punchy and agressive than a mt07 ? My question is probably strange but it's important for me. I ask me If I can buy a mt09 full for a beginner (in mode 4, of course) or If it's too punchy for a first bike...
Good question. I thought it was pretty restrained, and certainly recently riding the Tracer 9 GT (also D-mode 4, same triple) I thought that reduced power and smoothened it enough for newish riders. I wouldn't have recommended the last generation MT-09, but the new one is much more refined, which I'd say makes it more suited to what you're asking about.
I'm afraid not, so unsure on that one. At lower speeds I normally find it difficult to pick the difference between the HO and the LA but the restrictor could be more of an issue for that kind of maneuver.
It really depends how comfortable you are between the two bikes. The MT-07 seat is that little bit lower which will help, and I think it's a very inviting option in that 650 range, but performance isn't realistically anywhere near the MT-09. If you're just a regular rider who isn't too focused on performance the MT-07 will probably do everything really well, it's very much the jack of all trades. If you're interested in pushing harder, doing track days or generally having a lot more performance and adjustability, the MT-09 is the clear winner. If you really like the MT-09 definitely see if you can sit on one in a dealer and see how comfortable you are on the bike, you can always just ride a little conservatively until you build up your confidence and get used to the bike.
I'd probably say the MT-07, however for a little bit more you can get a lot more performance and better suspension in the MT-09, if you want more thrill factor. Just depends if you think you'll grow into wanting more performance.
Dude I got a question, is it true that brisbane or australia have motorcycle prohibited routes or roads? do you have limit in terms of db from your exhaust?
Yep there's a db limit on exhausts as part of the ADRs as far as I know, it may vary by state, it's higher than for cars, and much older bikes get a slightly higher level again. I think it's 94db for bikes here in NSW. I haven't seen any roads which prohibit motorcycles yet (not to say there aren't some) but I've seen a fair number of fire trails/trails with signs saying no bikes or motorised vehicles. It may be a little different in Brisbane, I'm in Sydney. There's certainly been a lot of effort put into locking motorcycles out of various fire trail systems here in NSW it seems.
The MT-10 is just an awesome ride and the sound of that bike's engine & exhaust-oooooooh, gives me the gigglies. I even like the Transformer look altho I'm not sure why. Transform it into the MT-10 Sport Tourer w/the bigger Yamaha screen and bags and blammo, you've got a solid, lightweight tourer, albeit one w/terrible MPG and a worse passenger pillion. Still... kitted in that fashion, I'd love one for my garage.
I habe it in Tourer version with comfort seat and Rizoma extended pillion foot pegs. Absolutely comfortable for my girlfriend sitting behind who is a tall girl (177cm). MT10 is the best motorcycle i ever had and yeah fuel consumption in my case averages at around 6,7l per 100km which in combination with 17l tank (that one could really be bigger) has range of around 250km (similar to my Fazer from before). So I'd say that one is okay as well. If you push it really hard than it will consume a lot of gas for sure. But the sound, feeling, character of the ride, stomps the feeling that you lack on gas. It is amazing. I'm in love.
@@veljkovic92 I think I was getting the low fuel light at 150 km but I was having a bit too much fun, do you think 250 was more normal for regular riding?
@@MotoJournoKris your question came at the right time because i put the bike in 1st mode last night and rode whole night in the city. Aggressive accelerations with often stops make the bike consume more for sure. Many people confirmed that, as well. MT10 is made to be either gas friendly when you put it in cruise control on highway and ride softer on side roads or full rocket mode with no limitations in power and fuel when you want turbo mode. But generally, for my personal style of riding, which consists of sporty and technical curved roads ride and chilled touring ride (I don't ride like on track and don't like staying above 7k rpm for long time) it consumes those 6,7l per 100kms. And that is very often with my girlfriend behind. So, long story shorter, i believe you ride much more aggressive than me regularly. Possibly with higher top speeds. That makes the difference. 😀 🖐️
@@MotoJournoKris and yes, my light comes at around 200kms, which means I can go around 50kms more on that reserve. But sometimes it comes earlier, like on 190 or 180, so your result seems fine considering you might not ride so chilled between those corners like me. 😀
I'm a new rider and was thinking about buying an Mt09 2022. The price difference between the 09 an 07 where I live is like a 1 grand. People tell me to buy an 07 and learn with it but I know I'm gonna get tired of it really fast.
The MT-09 is a lot of bike for the money, but also for a new rider. Even on the MT-07 it's easy to get into trouble, and it's doubly so on the 09. You can run it in wet mode to restrict that down somewhat and the latest MT-09 is the best handling version ever without doubt, but I think you'd need to be exceptionally careful in those early stages, as the MT-09 can really bite you. You could also consider buying a super cheap used 300-400 if that's an option, then upgrade to the MT-09. Most riders get tired of their first machine regardless of what it is, whether they've outgrown it, or are even using it to full potential, with that timeline seeming to vary between three months and a few years. It just seems to be a natural progression for most riders, especially those that like performance. Starting on something a bit more basic can be an advantage there, as if you do start on a cheap 300 for instance, you can upgrade to the MT-09 later, and it's also really easy to flog a small capacity bike and learn a lot more.
I have a 2020 mt07 lams n i love it but i cant wait for my full license in 7 months so i can finally get my dream bike mt09! But not the 2021 model bcoz that new headlight omg what were they thinking?!! So ugly!. Definitely getting a 18,19 or 20 model
Probably just comes down to how long you spend on the MT-03 and where you feel you're at. You can stick the new MT-09 in wet mode and it's a lot more restrained. The older gen (lower capacity) engine was a bit crazier overall, so it could be a real handful in any mode The MT-07 is a nice middle-point, but I'd go for the MT-09 if I had a few years riding on the smaller machine under my belt.
@@envoy859 That's decent mileage and a good period to be riding. I'd say it's a bit of a personal choice/situation, here most new riders get stuck on a restricted bike for three years, which is a long time, possibly too long. Generally I think that's a jump in performance that is do-able, and the electronics on an MT-09 probably somewhat offset the extra performance over the MT-07, but a bit of restraint will definitely still be required.
I have just swapped my mt10 sp for the new mt09 sp. The throttle respons, gearshift and stability in tight corners is better than on the mt10. The 09 has also more electronics.
It seems massively improved. I'd like to spend longer on the bike especially on local roads I know, testing the different modes, but in the past I'd stick to standard mode, where I didn't notice the aggressive throttle snap in any of those power settings.
Yep I'd lean towards the MT-09 for all those reasons. Especially the fuel use, the MT-10 goes through it like anything! I guess it depends what deal you get on the 10 though.
That's a hard choice. The MT-10 is probably due to an update next year, so there could be great prices on the current models, or some nice updates on the new model, but for value for money the MT-09 is looking hard to beat right now.
Love the mt10. I can’t wait for the next gen. Hopefully they crank it up to “10”. Haha. Lighter. More power. Better mpg. Maybe sit inside it a little more. Less on top of feel. 🤘🤘🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
@@MotoJournoKris as long as that headlight works well after dusk. I work 2nd shift and get home around midnight. So, bright lights are a must when I commute
Fantastic review as usual mate! For me I’m into distance riding so I would spend little more and get me an MT09 tracer or MT07 tracer. I don’t commute a lot due to the pandemic so distance would be what I would use my motorcycle for
I'm really keen to see how that new Tracer 9 goes as the more travel/distance orientated option, the last versions of both the 900 and 700 were great. It's definitely good to get out for a decent ride when you're otherwise pretty contained!
@@MotoJournoKris yep I believe the tracer 9 would definitely start selling but it is a premium for the tracer 9 considering you can probably get into a decent almost new mt10 for some of that money. Just like cars whenever you willing to spend there always just little more and you in a better off machine hard to decide! What about smaller capacity bikes Kris? Does the MT07 have any competition?
@@ozemsadventureofrandomstuf252 Yep that new Tracer 9 is right up there especially in the GT, and I've seen quite a few people with a touring setup on MT-10s, so that's definitely an alternative. I'd definitely say the Z650, SV650, Trident 660 and similar compete with the MT-07, like with most comparisons each bike has its strong points and areas where it shines. They haven't massively overhauled the MT-07 so it's in a fairly similar position to last year, unless the styling is a big selling point. Although I would say the Trident adds something new there now.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks Kris. I’m also set on reliability and I think the Suzuki and Yamaha would lead in that department. I have my eyes on the tracer 900 since the extra power and torque will make distance a breeeze but in South Africa where I am based the MT07 tracer has massive savings on a new model so not sure. And I’m sure the MT10 would scare hack out of me coming from a benelli 600 four cylinder. If I wanted a four cylinder bike would you say I should go for MT09 or rather pursue the MT10 and advance gradually. Electronics save you but they also add price and make reliability an issue🙆🏾♂️🥺
@@ozemsadventureofrandomstuf252 I think you could probably go straight to an MT-10, it's a lot of bike, but then so is the MT-09 realistically. When the power really kicks in on the MT-10 you do want to be prepared though, and it can definitely scare you. That said it's a very confidence inspiring machine on the handling side of things. I really liked the Tracer 700 a few years ago, and since then there's been some nice updates. Like the MT-07 it's more of a back to basics machine, so in many ways it's a very different offering to the Tracer 900/9.
The Triumph Trident blows the MT 07 out of the water. Yamaha better finally address the soft ill damped suspension and the Trident doesn’t hurt your eyes.
@@wirenut3020 Honestly I think the soft suspension is an advantage on the MT-07, at least at my 70ish kg. Sure it's nowhere near as premium feeling as the Trident, but it'll handle the worst road surfaces with confidence and a good level of comfort. Chasing the sporty suspension feel if not done perfectly tends to just add harshness and impact comfort. Triumph do seem to have done a great job finding the balance though, which really stood out to me. That said I think the Trident will have everyone in the category massively reassessing what they need to offer, or pricing. If we see an R7 inspired MT-07 version, like an SP with the up-spec suspension that would be interesting however.
I don’t know why no one ever mentions the Suzuki Gsxs750. It’s way better than the Mt07 and Mt09. Great engine and awesome suspension and brakes. Runs on rails stock.
I've often said I think the GSX-S750 is a great machine. I don't think anyone is going to be saying it's objectively 'way better' than the 2021 MT-09 though, but the lower price will make value for money an interesting argument. The GSX-S750 certainly has some decent advantages over the MT-07 HO though. The Suzuki doesn't get the attention it deserves for whatever reason, which has always been a mystery to me. Would be interesting to test one and the new MT-09 back to back...
@@MotoJournoKris My friend has one (2016) and it can’t keep up in the twisties and it’s throttle and suspension are bad. It’s motor is good, that’s about it.
@@jimperry4420 2016 was the first generation bike and renowned for that, you really had to invest money in suspension and a tune or flash to improve it. 2017 saw pretty big updates in both suspension and fueling. 2021 is a significant step forward again.
Hi, do you think the 2021 Yamaha MT-10 is the go-to bike for a beginner rider who is 5 feet and 1 inch? What are your thoughts about it?... I'm also looking into the 2021 Kawasaki 650 or z650 for my first but I thought I could get some tips and advice from others
I definitely wouldn't recommend the MT-10 for a new rider, as much as the handling is amazing, it's an incredibly powerful machine and I would say too much for new riders. If you're considering the Z650 I'd definitely check out the MT-07 as that's a close competitor and a much better place to start within the model range, as a new rider.
For Australia? Definitely not. Our laws will only allow you to legally ride on a 660cc motorcycle, which the MT-10 is well over that (998cc) If you're a brand new rider wanting to get into motorcycles, I recommend starting on a 300cc motorcycle or under; they're lite and easy to throw around, very cheap and the best to get your head around the basics. Hope this helps you in some way
I wouldn't recommend it either. MT-07 if you only get the full power version is what I'd consider the top end of the suitable beginner options, much like the LAMS version we get with less top end. Otherwise something like the 300s or 400s are more ideal and more likely to help you pick up better skills and stay rubber side down. The MT-10 is amazing, but especially as a new rider getting totally out of your depth is a quarter throttle turn away.
@@MotoJournoKris thats the downside to all the hyper nakeds. The 900 ish cc bikes are just more fun now. Light when it comes too weight, and powerfull enough to be a hooligan
09 has the all inspiring triple which has the feel of a real bike not to mention the easy ability to hold its own with liter bikes. I’ll take one Monster Torque 900SP please - To go.
For the price of the MT-07 we should probably be seeing the USD units by now, even just those off the MT-09. We might have gotten stuck with the telescopic units to help the R7 look more attractive, or give room to drop the price.
You might want to fact check a few things before you go global..... starting with the MT name. It stands for "master of torque". Here's a link to showcase it..... ruclips.net/video/12ZbKXZqL-o/видео.html
I owned an MT09 and sold it to buy an MT10. No regrets. The MT10 is awesome. Every ride is a thrill. An amazing engine plus exceptional handling.
if MT 07 had inverted suspensions and slipper clutch (maybe curve ABS), it would be the best bike out of three.
I think the best bike here is the MT 09
@Who Cares depends on what you want it for. It is the cheapest and the best on fuel of the three. To him, the value you get plus the fact that it is a fuel saver that is pretty comfortable for longer rides may make it the best one to him. I personally still see the MT-10 as being the best. Why? Because I love that crossplane sound plus like having all the power at my fingertips if I want it, but want a more comfortable ride and lower price than what I'd get with buying an r1
You can invert the suspension yourself (beauty of Yamaha and the rest of Japanese bikes...easy to work on). It is very easy to do. Many swap out the fork to R6 forks...very easy to do. Personally, I do not like slipper clutch but that I am sure is a mod you can get as well.
@Hessenrider In a world where light weight is important and you wont be using that extra HP on the roads you are riding on. Also its not 50hp less then the 09, its 40. Plus the CP2 is an award winning motor and has a better track record for reliability. It has no ride by wire throttle delay. List goes on my friend.
@@LooxJJ Correct, The MT-07 can mod a slipper clutch for the lazy riders.
@Hessenrider Lol dude you crack me up. Best is subjective. Whats best for you is not necessarily best for someone else. What false facts am I spreading?
Table of ur feeling comparison tested are greatly appreciated
Have had my new 2021 MT09SP for 9 days now. Previously had a 2019 MT09. Before that a 2018 MT07 Lams.
The new bike is out of this world amazing. Feels much more stable in the twisties . Could be the SP suspension helping. Quick shifter is superb, up and down. Highly recommend the 09SP. It’s a dream to ride. . I can see myself owning this bike for quite a while. The Akrapovic exhaust sounds beautiful.
Very nice! I bet the Akro livens it up properly!!
Maybe show it off in a video?😍 thinking of getting one pretty soon. With an Akrapovic exhust as well🔥
I've had my MT10 for 3 1/2 years now and the only bike I'd swap it for is an MT10 SP. There was some silly talk last year, about a new MT10 using an 09 engine with a turbo. That seems to have gone now, and I wouldn't have wanted to lose that CP4 sound. The MT10 has one of, if not the greatest bike engines of all time, and I've been riding bikes for well over 50 years. When you really wind that thing up, that sound is utterly addictive and keeping the front wheel down is quite difficult, when first gear is good for over 80mph and over 100mph in second. Just a fantastic bike and the one of my collection, that I choose more often, than any other.
It would be cool to see an MT-09 based turbo, but nothing could directly replace the MT-10 engine, it really is something else!
For the first time in over 39 years I'm going to apply for my motorcycle permit. I've been determined to get a KTM duke 390, however I've been seriously considering the Mt-07. Any thoughts? Just an FYI, I've never rode a motorcycle...
@@Robocoppat The 390 is a great little machine, nice and light, zippy single, quite premium feeling suspension and brakes. The advantages of the MT I'd say is a little more relaxed a bit overall, the engine is a real gem, the brakes and suspension are a bit more basic, but still well within what I'd want. If you think you'll upgrade sooner, the 390 being cheaper could be more attractive too, depending if you're buying new or not.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks for the quick response. Considering I cannot find the Duke I want near me(east coast) I started considering the Yamaha. I plan on buying new if that helps. The MT or the 390 will be my first bike. And I plan on riding it for awhile.
@@Robocoppat For a longer term option I think the MT is great and while we haven't seen any big updates with some of the fancier stuff like electronics, it's a testament to how good a bike it is.
Easy choice, used MT10. Save money on new knowing that the MT09 still can't touch it
Lol I have a 2021 mt09 and like 2 weeks ago at a group ride I roll raced an mt10. From 0 to 100 it's pretty much dead even, past 100 the 10 pulls away. Both great bikes but the 09 can Def touch the 10. It just can't hold it
Solid comparison of the MT lineup. I wish they would announce the updated MT-10 already though. I'd like to compare it with the current before deciding.
That's definitely going to be an interesting comparison, I can't wait to see what they do to the MT-10.
I’m waiting on the same thing
@@toofastnobrakes they just released new 10
@@Ntthaibk Rode it. It is superb. But sadly I haven't ridden the older one so I cannot compare them.
Really great review. I loved the detailed comparison between the models, particularly the 9 and 10. Really for me it comes down to those two and the Ninja 1000SX. Pros and cons for all, but I don't think I could go wrong with any of them. My heart loves the sound of the 10, but wallet likes the 9.
That MT-09 is really hard to beat on value for money now, but I think you're right, they are all great options!
Ride the 09 before you decide - I can assure you you'll find the 09 to be surprisingly strong!! It has that liter bike immediacy, light weight and now they've gotten the handling more "sport bike" than "supermotard".
It’s funny because right now I’m having trouble deciding between the mt10 and the ninja 1000sx.
I picking up my mt7 tomorrow i am 6ft 190 llbs not alot of on road experience shouls 4:33 i jumb too the 9 .am i too big for the 7 as my insurance rate is 64 dollars a month will it fo up
My last bike was the 2019 MT10, I have just bought a 2023 MT09 and loving it so far
Not as angry as the 10, but still a hoot !!
Wicked! Yea those MT-10s are something else, but the new MT-09s have come a long long way from the original model and are exceptional.
I have a 2016 Mt-09. I will not upgrade sideways. If/When the Mt-10 will get upgraded it´s the only choice for me. I really love the Mt-09s engine. But after testriding the ten last year, it´s a completely different beast. The power from that crossplane engine after 7 k rpm is intoxicating....
Yep, that MT-10 is really something else from 7k and the sound track is exceptional too.
i picked up an MT09 ex demo with 120 miles on it for 7.5k yesterday. its spent its whole life in a showroom looked after by professional mechs and valets.
It's the right time to buy the old models if you're after a steep discount.
I have a deposit down on an 09-SP model. Here in the states they're almost impossible to get. I've been waiting for a couple months now. I'm sure excited! I'm curious to see how it stands up next to my Datyona 675.
I'd love to hear what you think about the comparison, having owned a 675 myself. In the past I was tempted to get a Street Triple over the older MT-09s but loved the style of the Daytona and ended up going for that.
Thanks Kris, nice review. For me (at 189 cms / 90 kgs, without gear) the MT-07 has never been a bike that works. Yes, I’m outside the “normal” range for a basic budget suspension however even smaller and lighter riders have complained that when pushed it just feels disconnected to the road and doesn’t inspire confidence. I know it’s aimed at learner riders who possibly won’t be able to a) notice this or b) have the abilities to push the boundaries and capabilities of this bike. For me, as I’ve been fortunate enough (like you) to have ridden each bike in this particular class, is the worst handling of them all. Yes it’s light and playful, has an intoxicating sound track thanks to the 270 degree crank, it’s just let down by the suspension and chassis. Which, like you said has improved, just not by much. If only they applied the same treatment that the 09 received, to make it actually handle properly I think it would be a much better package and not cost much more. 👍😎🇦🇺
The MT-09 definitely proves we can get a lot of amazing changes without the price going through the roof. I think the R7 will probably offer most of those updates if I'm honest, and then maybe we'll see some of them adopted onto the MT-07 as well, which would be great and explain why it's relatively unchanged. If the R7 offers something like the RS 660 but at a much lower price point I can definitely see it being very very popular, then we get all the development making it's way to the MT-07 and maybe even the Tracer 700/XSR700.
I'd say the real strength of the MT-07 though is if you're not pushing past the bike's limits, but of course they are much more easily reached compared to the MT-09 and MT-10, and it's definitely the most basis of the bunch by a fair margin!
@@MotoJournoKris Indeed. Looking forward to the R7, just as long as they don’t just put fairings on the 07 platform...
@@marcusgeorge1825 I'm kinda hoping it ends up similar spec to the new MT-09 with the MT-07 engine. I guess they just have to be careful to keep the MT-07s priced right with any updates to retain the popularity and mass appeal.
Just to clarify MT stands for Master of Torque not Monster of Torque
Here they are listed as 'Maximum Torque', hard to keep up with all the marketing jargon at times.
I hope we get an update to the mt-10 soon
Seems like it's probably due for 2022.
@@MotoJournoKris 🤞🏻
So.. the mt09 suspension is harder than the mt07 one ? The confort is better on a mt07 ?
Kind of! The MT-07 has a more basic suspension setup, so it's a bit softer overall and offers good comfort, if you suit the suspension setup of the MT-07 really well (close to what the engineers designed it for). It's a one size fits all kind of setup and very generalised. The MT-09 is a bit sportier and more taut which in some circumstances may mean less outright comfort, but also probably offers a better overall ride, especially riding hard, with more adjustability to suit more riders.
@@MotoJournoKris thank U for your precise answer.
I would get the mt-10 if all they did was improve mpg’s by 25%+ and put more torque down low and not in mid range where you’re already going at or above the posted speed limits.
I prefer it’s looks and sound over the others
The sound of that MT-10 has to be one of the best out there. But that fuel mileage is quite terrible, I guess it's good value based on grins per litre, but km/L is a different story!
Great review, thanks mate. Going off a LAMS CB500F I was looking at the 09SP. Now you have me thinking about the 10, particularly the ‘22 update. But until post-LAMS the only way to decide will be ass-in-seat.
Definitely worth checking them out in person to see what you like as they are quite distinct offerings, the 09 is no slouch, but the 10 is just wicked and takes it to another level.
just a quick question, it is legal to put a slip on on the lams version of the bike? A friend of mine said it isnt but was wondering if you knew. Thanks!
By the wording of the rules here in NSW you're not allowed to modify the bike in any way at all, but it's a risk many people take and from everyone I've talked to it's not normally something people get picked up on, on it's own. If it's an obnoxiously loud exhaust, that tends to draw the wrong attention. It may vary from state to state though.
That rule covers anything from crash protection to brighter indicators or lights, to spools though, and most second hand bikes are modified in some way, however minor.
I didn’t care for the MT07 or MT09. I don’t see what all the hoopla is about. I would rather have a used GSXS 1000. I wrote it shortly after the Yamaha’s and it was way more fun.
The hoopla is the mt10 is a waste of money compared to the mt09
The reason is your buying extra weight which brings reduced agility. Reality is 99% of your riding would be under 100mph. And majority of your riding would be city driving with occasional highway rides.
That is why the reduced 50 pounds is so important.
What happens is most people get caught up in "magazine talk". They see hp numbers and get excited about how much the mt10 has .
But what they don't know is the mt09 is almost identical speed up to 100mph. Only then does the mt10 start to pull away.
But nobody drive that speed unless they want to kill someone or themselves.
That speed is for race tracks . So this is why nobody with riding experience buys the mt10
That's usually purchased buy very young guys who simply want the bragging rights of the HP .
Torque and reduced weight is what makes a bike truly fun and the Mt 09 has that
And the fact is if for whatever reason you needed more power power out of the mt09 to match the mt10 then simply flash it and change exhaust.
A used mt10 is same price as brand new mt09 so that is another bonus.
The list is endless why the mt09 is better for driving in real world conditions .
@@blockchainshark1392 Good update.
@@luko560 Good choice. I thought a 2016 gsxs1000 was more fun than an Mt10.
@@blockchainshark1392 Would you buy any year Mt-09 to save money or only get 2021 plus to get new frame,etc?
Great comparison and discussion mate 👍🏽😎
Cheers!
I ride a 2018 R6, very uncomfortable riding position for long trips, I want to trade it for the mt09 or the mt10
As amazing as the R6 are, I think something like the MT-09 or 10 are such a nice option for the road, especially from the comfort perspective. That just be me getting older, but the upright ergos are more of a drawcard these days on the road.
Definitely test ride both before you decide 👍
Really interesting to know that the presentation by Yamaha of the MT 2021 range has only just taken place in Australia. I really thought these press presentations were happening all over the world at the same time. But here in France, the MT 07 was presented in Marseille around January 20, 2021 and the MT 09 in the very first days of March 2021 also in Marseille. And they were in dealerships shortly after their introductions.
I also noticed that the prices were different between Europe and Australia. Here the MT 07 is worth € 7,299 or AU$ 11,503 and the MT 09 is € 9,500 or AU$ 14,972. The MT 09 SP is worth € 10,999, which comes to AU$ 17,335 for the day.
And here the MT 07 A2 (47.5ps) for young licences is the same price as the "big one" in 73.4ps, while I heard that in Australia the 52 ps version for the new motorcycle licences was less expensive than the normal version. Why, it's not the same bike ?
Otherwise I wanted to send you my congratulations, your article on these different MT 2021 is very good and your impressions and conclusions are correct.
I have a personal fight and I would like the journalists to help me a little in this fight, it is about the dashboards of certain motorcycles. For example here with the MT 07 and MT 10, putting an LCD display in 2021 is just a shame when you know the price of TFT screens which has fallen a lot in recent years. And for the new MT 09, putting a color TFT screen this year is good, but 3.5 "... a pure shame!
When we see that BMW equips its F900R (at 8870 €, therefore cheaper than an MT 09!) With a magnificent 6.5 " TFT color screen with Connectivity, bravo BMW ! And for KTM or Ducati it's the same as at BMW ... but it is true that there the machines are often more expensive.
In short, some manufacturers, like Yamaha here, make fun of us bikers who are buyers by wanting to save money in order to earn more money. And we deserve better!
Thanks Kris for helping us in this fight, and bye from France ! ✌
We have to wait for the bikes to arrive all the way down here, but the MT-07 was available earlier than the launch. Our MT-07 LA is a totally different 655cc engine though, which might explain the price difference.
I get what you're saying and while I think a TFT is increasingly becoming the norm, to play the devils advocate, phone connectivity is cool but not something I'd personally pay more for, except on a touring bike, if I could sync my GPS to the dash. As you mentioned though the TFTs are becoming fairly inexpensive to produce when we see some of the much smaller machines with them, but then a TFT wouldn't be anywhere near as cool as the dash on the MT-07 as they just tend to be square. The MT-10 is due of course, however we're still waiting for that update.
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you very much for your answer Kris.
We are on the same line and I will not pay more to have a connection between my mobile phone and the dashboard of my bike, but what I wanted to say is that on the BMW F900 R (a motorcycle at a reasonable price and comparable to the price of the MT 09 2021) offered not only a magnificent and large color TFT screen but also the "BMW Connectivity" system without paying an option, and which allows the GPS to be displayed on the dashboard , music, text messages, etc ... that can be managed with the left stalk controls on the handlebar.
Compared to this, the new TFT display of the MT 09 which is as big as a postage stamp looks shabby ...
But that was just one example and the motorcycles on which manufacturers are now saving on dashboards (to our detriment) are plentiful, and it didn't exist before. While there is more and more information on the screens ...
All the best !
Would the mt 07 be a good choice for my first ever motorcycle? Or should I opt for the 09 ?
I'd definitely recommend the MT-07 of the two, it's a little more inviting than the 09, but still a great machine. I think you'd want a really good reason to go straight to the MT-09, not that it's impossible, but it's a lot more bike, and will be more challenging as a new rider. The newest generation MT-09 is much more forgiving than the older versions, but it's still a weapon.
Great comparison Kris. Am tossing up between MT09, MT09 SP, or new XSR900. Does the new new XSR also get upgraded suspension? What are your thoughts from a value and resale proposition?
Honestly I'd probably go the XSR900 personally, the suspension seems to be shared between models from what I can see alongside the rest of the updates, however that choice is largely based on looks. I think you really need to like the SP paint scheme, alongside the Ohlins shock to justify that over the base model, which honestly is fantastic as it is.
@@MotoJournoKris appreciate your thoughts. I think the XSR and SP are both going for $17,299 - but am personally digging the 80’s vibe, but have to wait until April I’ve been told. Patience is a virtue apparently..
@@matthewwhite7891 That would make the XSR harder to justify over the MT-09 personally if bang for buck was a big concern, but follow the theme of it carrying a premium, although I think it's only a $500 difference in the US. With the Z900RS I definitely thought it warranted the pretty steep price difference over the Z900 so that might be the case here when I see one in person, although it looks like the ride MT and XSR are more similar in many ways.
I still feel that the 9 is a hooligan bike. I want the sp.
Great comparison, used MT10 is my pick.
Yep, there's some great deals on second hand MT-10s! Especially when someone else has fitted all the extras.
Been riding a mt07 for a while just picked up my brand new mt09sp an I say well the worth, an got it Almost the same price as the standard mt09 since when you make a good relationship with your local Yamaha salesman.
Awesome, that's a great upgrade and sounds like you got an amazing price too. I've been kind of wishing I went an MT-09 over my WR250R recently LOL! Definitely helps having a good relationship with your local dealer too, I think people forget that loyalty is still rewarded in some places, and obviously it goes both ways.
Would love to see a comparison like this between the z650, z900, and ZH2 if you can make that happen 🙏👍
Thanks for a great review Kris. The MT09 sounds like it’s come along in leaps and bounds and is now an almost perfect bike for a fantastic price. However, I just can’t fall in love with the looks. Maybe it looks better in the flesh? If I was in the market for a new bike I’d probably wait for the XSR900 as I love the look of the current one.
I do think it's better in the flesh, maybe because you look more at the whole bike, but at the end of the day looks are pretty subjective. You can't force yourself to like something, and I do think loving the look of your bike is a big part of the experience. No point having the 'best' bike in the world if you don't get that feeling of pride every time you park it. Plus it'll be really cool to see the XSR with these updates!
@@MotoJournoKris totally agree.
New Mt-09 is just about a perfect bike for me on paper. I don't even hate the looks. Wanted to love it. But then I went to a demo day and rode one... and decided I simply don't like triples. Didn't like my buddies Street Triple either. Something about the triple sound or vibes or whatever just doesn't sync up with my mechanical empathy. Hopped on an MT-10 and fell in love with the motor instantly. I wonder if my demo MT-09 wasn't also low on tire pressure. Had to hold slight pressure on the inside bar to hold it on line. The MT-10 was 100% neutral and on rails.
Lot of people love their triples though. Lesson here is an inconvenient one. You really really have to ride a bike before you can judge it. No amount of research and watching reviews can tell you everything. And can't even start to tell you one of the most important things - the connection you will feel to the motor.
@@kleinbottled79 well said.
MASTERS OF TORQUE !!!
Doesn't the MT label refer to Masters of Torque not Monster Torque? At least that's what it says on the Yamaha website. Maybe different where you are.
Possibly, may have just been me mistranslating my scribbled notes!
@@MotoJournoKris That is fine. By the way, l am enjoying your content been following it regularly. My only gripe is the length, yours are routinely under ten minutes. How about longer videos?
Any chance of a shootout, XSR 900/ 700, MT - 09, MT 10, Tracer 900? l am really keen on these, money being no option l would get them all.
@@bobojo8591 Glad you're liking the vids, can definitely do longer, always just a little concerned about boring people! Shootouts and comparisons normally come down to if I'm lucky enough to have a few bikes at the same time, or fairly close together. Definitely hoping to test the Tracer 9 when it arrives.
Ride an MT10 and make up your own mind!
I wouldn't want the LAMS 07, Kris. I'd say the 09 is better than the 10 at 2/3 the price. I don't want any of these, but if I did, given I'm in Thailand, it would be the 07. But then I'd have an SV650 instead.
Good review, as ever.
Yep that's the kicker. I normally consider 'best' before looking at price, then you've got to figure out if something is that much better that it justifies the price difference, which gets complicated. For value it's very very hard to go past the new MT-09.
6 ft 190llb am i too big for the 7and how much increase on insurance too go up
I wouldn't have said so, but it probably depends on what you like as far as motorcycle ergos. The MT-07 is definitely more compact than the -09 or -10. As for insurance it depends on a lot of factors. I know some older riders who get very good rates on most bikes, I personally still see a noticeable jump as I look further up the capacity range.
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What’s the most comfortable mid level (about 600-700cc) sports bike in terms of riding posture and suspension damping? Cause I don’t want to feel tired after couple of hours of riding around on weekends. Any suggestions?
Sportsbikes like faired machines, or nakedbikes like the MTs? I think most nakeds are pretty comfortable these days as far as ergos, however the suspension can vary greatly in the setup. Bikes like the MT-07 offer a bit of a softer setup but that helps comfort, where competition like the Z650 it's more taught and sportier. The seat is often the part that needs upgrading if you're having comfort issues.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks for the info. I was actually looking at sportsbike with full fairings around 600-700CC.
@@kashsres1064 Oh got it, maybe a Kawasaki Ninja 650, it's more nakedbike ergonomics than sportsbike, so comfort is a strong point. Alternatively the Yamaha R7 is a good 650 option if you want the more aggressive sportsbike ergonomics and are less worried about comfort, as a compromise somewhere between the Ninja 650 and something like the R6 or ZXi6R. The Honda CBR650R would be another option similar to the R7 in some ways, and is an inline four as something a bit different.
Supersport (600 cc race machines) are kind of the next step from there, but are far less comfortable, generally being more extreme than the R7, and are more track orientated.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks man. This is a good information to go on.
I'm sure MT stands for Master of Torque not Monster Torque
Correct but I like Monster better 🥇👍
MT07 for starters folks, will take it easy as i haven't ridden in 25 years..
I reckon the MT-07 is plenty of fun to be honest!
is the mt09 in TCS 2 and Dmode level 4 more punchy and agressive than a mt07 ? My question is probably strange but it's important for me. I ask me If I can buy a mt09 full for a beginner (in mode 4, of course) or If it's too punchy for a first bike...
Good question. I thought it was pretty restrained, and certainly recently riding the Tracer 9 GT (also D-mode 4, same triple) I thought that reduced power and smoothened it enough for newish riders.
I wouldn't have recommended the last generation MT-09, but the new one is much more refined, which I'd say makes it more suited to what you're asking about.
@@MotoJournoKris thank you for your answer. Have a good day
I Love Yamaha MT Series
It's a great range that covers a lot of bases!
Of these 3 MT10.
Hey Kris, have you ridden the lams one with the restricter plate removed? Will it power wheelie in 2nd without any bouncing/brakes/clutch work?
I'm afraid not, so unsure on that one. At lower speeds I normally find it difficult to pick the difference between the HO and the LA but the restrictor could be more of an issue for that kind of maneuver.
Mmm Im a little short, and female, I'd like the Mt 09 but would I be fearful and get more use out of the mt07
It really depends how comfortable you are between the two bikes. The MT-07 seat is that little bit lower which will help, and I think it's a very inviting option in that 650 range, but performance isn't realistically anywhere near the MT-09. If you're just a regular rider who isn't too focused on performance the MT-07 will probably do everything really well, it's very much the jack of all trades. If you're interested in pushing harder, doing track days or generally having a lot more performance and adjustability, the MT-09 is the clear winner.
If you really like the MT-09 definitely see if you can sit on one in a dealer and see how comfortable you are on the bike, you can always just ride a little conservatively until you build up your confidence and get used to the bike.
@@MotoJournoKris thank you 😁
Which is best for suburbs and commuting to work as a daily bike?
I'd probably say the MT-07, however for a little bit more you can get a lot more performance and better suspension in the MT-09, if you want more thrill factor. Just depends if you think you'll grow into wanting more performance.
Dude I got a question, is it true that brisbane or australia have motorcycle prohibited routes or roads? do you have limit in terms of db from your exhaust?
Yep there's a db limit on exhausts as part of the ADRs as far as I know, it may vary by state, it's higher than for cars, and much older bikes get a slightly higher level again. I think it's 94db for bikes here in NSW.
I haven't seen any roads which prohibit motorcycles yet (not to say there aren't some) but I've seen a fair number of fire trails/trails with signs saying no bikes or motorised vehicles. It may be a little different in Brisbane, I'm in Sydney. There's certainly been a lot of effort put into locking motorcycles out of various fire trail systems here in NSW it seems.
@@MotoJournoKris alright, Thanks man!
The MT-10 is just an awesome ride and the sound of that bike's engine & exhaust-oooooooh, gives me the gigglies. I even like the Transformer look altho I'm not sure why. Transform it into the MT-10 Sport Tourer w/the bigger Yamaha screen and bags and blammo, you've got a solid, lightweight tourer, albeit one w/terrible MPG and a worse passenger pillion. Still... kitted in that fashion, I'd love one for my garage.
Yep, there's something special there.
I habe it in Tourer version with comfort seat and Rizoma extended pillion foot pegs. Absolutely comfortable for my girlfriend sitting behind who is a tall girl (177cm). MT10 is the best motorcycle i ever had and yeah fuel consumption in my case averages at around 6,7l per 100km which in combination with 17l tank (that one could really be bigger) has range of around 250km (similar to my Fazer from before). So I'd say that one is okay as well. If you push it really hard than it will consume a lot of gas for sure. But the sound, feeling, character of the ride, stomps the feeling that you lack on gas. It is amazing. I'm in love.
@@veljkovic92 I think I was getting the low fuel light at 150 km but I was having a bit too much fun, do you think 250 was more normal for regular riding?
@@MotoJournoKris your question came at the right time because i put the bike in 1st mode last night and rode whole night in the city. Aggressive accelerations with often stops make the bike consume more for sure. Many people confirmed that, as well. MT10 is made to be either gas friendly when you put it in cruise control on highway and ride softer on side roads or full rocket mode with no limitations in power and fuel when you want turbo mode.
But generally, for my personal style of riding, which consists of sporty and technical curved roads ride and chilled touring ride (I don't ride like on track and don't like staying above 7k rpm for long time) it consumes those 6,7l per 100kms. And that is very often with my girlfriend behind. So, long story shorter, i believe you ride much more aggressive than me regularly. Possibly with higher top speeds. That makes the difference. 😀 🖐️
@@MotoJournoKris and yes, my light comes at around 200kms, which means I can go around 50kms more on that reserve. But sometimes it comes earlier, like on 190 or 180, so your result seems fine considering you might not ride so chilled between those corners like me. 😀
I'm a new rider and was thinking about buying an Mt09 2022. The price difference between the 09 an 07 where I live is like a 1 grand. People tell me to buy an 07 and learn with it but I know I'm gonna get tired of it really fast.
The MT-09 is a lot of bike for the money, but also for a new rider. Even on the MT-07 it's easy to get into trouble, and it's doubly so on the 09. You can run it in wet mode to restrict that down somewhat and the latest MT-09 is the best handling version ever without doubt, but I think you'd need to be exceptionally careful in those early stages, as the MT-09 can really bite you. You could also consider buying a super cheap used 300-400 if that's an option, then upgrade to the MT-09.
Most riders get tired of their first machine regardless of what it is, whether they've outgrown it, or are even using it to full potential, with that timeline seeming to vary between three months and a few years. It just seems to be a natural progression for most riders, especially those that like performance. Starting on something a bit more basic can be an advantage there, as if you do start on a cheap 300 for instance, you can upgrade to the MT-09 later, and it's also really easy to flog a small capacity bike and learn a lot more.
I have a 2020 mt07 lams n i love it but i cant wait for my full license in 7 months so i can finally get my dream bike mt09! But not the 2021 model bcoz that new headlight omg what were they thinking?!! So ugly!. Definitely getting a 18,19 or 20 model
Should definitely test ride both and see what you think.
Would you say it’s a lot to jump from a mt03-mt09 or would you go to the 07 2023 model
Probably just comes down to how long you spend on the MT-03 and where you feel you're at. You can stick the new MT-09 in wet mode and it's a lot more restrained. The older gen (lower capacity) engine was a bit crazier overall, so it could be a real handful in any mode
The MT-07 is a nice middle-point, but I'd go for the MT-09 if I had a few years riding on the smaller machine under my belt.
@@MotoJournoKris yeah I’ve only been riding since December last year
And only 8000 km seat time
@@envoy859 That's decent mileage and a good period to be riding. I'd say it's a bit of a personal choice/situation, here most new riders get stuck on a restricted bike for three years, which is a long time, possibly too long. Generally I think that's a jump in performance that is do-able, and the electronics on an MT-09 probably somewhat offset the extra performance over the MT-07, but a bit of restraint will definitely still be required.
Excellent review, love it. Love mt09,... mt10 would be a little too powerful for me....
That's why I'd go the MT-09 too!
I have just swapped my mt10 sp for the new mt09 sp. The throttle respons, gearshift and stability in tight corners is better than on the mt10. The 09 has also more electronics.
ita helping me what to vhoose dunno which to get mt09 or mt10
Thinking about doing the same here... Can you share more experience so far, please?
More electronics equals potentially more things to break, imo
What about the snatchy throttles.
It seems massively improved. I'd like to spend longer on the bike especially on local roads I know, testing the different modes, but in the past I'd stick to standard mode, where I didn't notice the aggressive throttle snap in any of those power settings.
Mt09 vs second hand MT-10?
Yep I'd lean towards the MT-09 for all those reasons. Especially the fuel use, the MT-10 goes through it like anything! I guess it depends what deal you get on the 10 though.
@@MotoJournoKris It's based off of the R1.... calling it out for worse fuel consumption is a rather moot point lmao....
@@P.M_M Haha, I think the only thing that's drunk more fuel was when I tested a Benelli 899 TNT years and years ago.
i just dont know what to upgrade to mt09 or mt10 been on mt07 for 4yrs
That's a hard choice. The MT-10 is probably due to an update next year, so there could be great prices on the current models, or some nice updates on the new model, but for value for money the MT-09 is looking hard to beat right now.
@@MotoJournoKris i do alot of long distance rides aswell so the mt09 is supposed to be much better for fuel
@@dale-fi1fi Definitely, the MT-10 goes through fuel at a crazy level. The MT-09 is much much better in that regard.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks for replying its good gettifeed back from other riders thanks
Currently have a 2015 MT09, and picking up an MT10SP next week. Why not have both?
If that's an option, it's definitely the one to go with!
@@MotoJournoKris Update: picked up my MT10SP three weeks ago. Still have both. Still love both. The MT10 is a beast!!
Ya great review ❤️
Cool vid, great review, lots off information, great
Thanks!
Love the mt10. I can’t wait for the next gen. Hopefully they crank it up to “10”. Haha. Lighter. More power. Better mpg. Maybe sit inside it a little more. Less on top of feel. 🤘🤘🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
If it gets the MT-09 treatment we'll be in for a treat.
Yeah I thought it might be announced Oct/ Nov I really want one but I'm holding off till theres some news .
@@Mark........ I haven't heard anything solid yet, but it seems very likely.
Mt10 update with better mpg and bottom end torque!!!
Current mid-torque when power kicks in is already at or above the posted speed limits.
@@MotoJournoKris as long as that headlight works well after dusk.
I work 2nd shift and get home around midnight. So, bright lights are a must when I commute
Not monster torque but master of torque.
Fantastic review as usual mate! For me I’m into distance riding so I would spend little more and get me an MT09 tracer or MT07 tracer. I don’t commute a lot due to the pandemic so distance would be what I would use my motorcycle for
I'm really keen to see how that new Tracer 9 goes as the more travel/distance orientated option, the last versions of both the 900 and 700 were great. It's definitely good to get out for a decent ride when you're otherwise pretty contained!
@@MotoJournoKris yep I believe the tracer 9 would definitely start selling but it is a premium for the tracer 9 considering you can probably get into a decent almost new mt10 for some of that money. Just like cars whenever you willing to spend there always just little more and you in a better off machine hard to decide! What about smaller capacity bikes Kris? Does the MT07 have any competition?
@@ozemsadventureofrandomstuf252 Yep that new Tracer 9 is right up there especially in the GT, and I've seen quite a few people with a touring setup on MT-10s, so that's definitely an alternative.
I'd definitely say the Z650, SV650, Trident 660 and similar compete with the MT-07, like with most comparisons each bike has its strong points and areas where it shines. They haven't massively overhauled the MT-07 so it's in a fairly similar position to last year, unless the styling is a big selling point. Although I would say the Trident adds something new there now.
@@MotoJournoKris thanks Kris. I’m also set on reliability and I think the Suzuki and Yamaha would lead in that department. I have my eyes on the tracer 900 since the extra power and torque will make distance a breeeze but in South Africa where I am based the MT07 tracer has massive savings on a new model so not sure. And I’m sure the MT10 would scare hack out of me coming from a benelli 600 four cylinder. If I wanted a four cylinder bike would you say I should go for MT09 or rather pursue the MT10 and advance gradually. Electronics save you but they also add price and make reliability an issue🙆🏾♂️🥺
@@ozemsadventureofrandomstuf252 I think you could probably go straight to an MT-10, it's a lot of bike, but then so is the MT-09 realistically. When the power really kicks in on the MT-10 you do want to be prepared though, and it can definitely scare you. That said it's a very confidence inspiring machine on the handling side of things.
I really liked the Tracer 700 a few years ago, and since then there's been some nice updates. Like the MT-07 it's more of a back to basics machine, so in many ways it's a very different offering to the Tracer 900/9.
New MT09SP for sure 😉
Most testers favor the mt09! You put a different twist on things!
why are you hiding the dash?
It's shy.
Yamaha has made the MT07 pretty much obsolete. The MT09 is a much safer bike to ride.
I just wonder if we'll see the price drop on the MT-07 to get some separation between the two models.
The Triumph Trident blows the MT 07 out of the water. Yamaha better finally address the soft ill damped suspension and the Trident doesn’t hurt your eyes.
@@wirenut3020 Honestly I think the soft suspension is an advantage on the MT-07, at least at my 70ish kg. Sure it's nowhere near as premium feeling as the Trident, but it'll handle the worst road surfaces with confidence and a good level of comfort. Chasing the sporty suspension feel if not done perfectly tends to just add harshness and impact comfort. Triumph do seem to have done a great job finding the balance though, which really stood out to me. That said I think the Trident will have everyone in the category massively reassessing what they need to offer, or pricing.
If we see an R7 inspired MT-07 version, like an SP with the up-spec suspension that would be interesting however.
@@MotoJournoKris that would be very interesting (an up spec 07).
I don’t know why no one ever mentions the Suzuki Gsxs750. It’s way better than the Mt07 and Mt09. Great engine and awesome suspension and brakes. Runs on rails stock.
I've often said I think the GSX-S750 is a great machine. I don't think anyone is going to be saying it's objectively 'way better' than the 2021 MT-09 though, but the lower price will make value for money an interesting argument. The GSX-S750 certainly has some decent advantages over the MT-07 HO though. The Suzuki doesn't get the attention it deserves for whatever reason, which has always been a mystery to me. Would be interesting to test one and the new MT-09 back to back...
@@MotoJournoKris My friend has one (2016) and it can’t keep up in the twisties and it’s throttle and suspension are bad. It’s motor is good, that’s about it.
@@jimperry4420 2016 was the first generation bike and renowned for that, you really had to invest money in suspension and a tune or flash to improve it. 2017 saw pretty big updates in both suspension and fueling. 2021 is a significant step forward again.
Hi, do you think the 2021 Yamaha MT-10 is the go-to bike for a beginner rider who is 5 feet and 1 inch? What are your thoughts about it?... I'm also looking into the 2021 Kawasaki 650 or z650 for my first but I thought I could get some tips and advice from others
I definitely wouldn't recommend the MT-10 for a new rider, as much as the handling is amazing, it's an incredibly powerful machine and I would say too much for new riders. If you're considering the Z650 I'd definitely check out the MT-07 as that's a close competitor and a much better place to start within the model range, as a new rider.
@@MotoJournoKris Thank you so much for the information!
Did you really just say MT in the MT line stands for monster torque?....
To be honest, the prices of motorbikes has gone up in last few years especially the sports bike.
Yep unfortunately that's the general trend.
It's Masters of Torque, not Monster Torque
Empty 10 ❤️
That's an apt name! Such a wicked machine too.
Mt07 easily shifts up without clutch 😉😊, like any motorcycle
Having been hit with the ugly stick is the obvious thing they all have in common
Mt09 💯
Beginner bike mt 10?
For Australia? Definitely not. Our laws will only allow you to legally ride on a 660cc motorcycle, which the MT-10 is well over that (998cc)
If you're a brand new rider wanting to get into motorcycles, I recommend starting on a 300cc motorcycle or under; they're lite and easy to throw around, very cheap and the best to get your head around the basics.
Hope this helps you in some way
I wouldn't recommend it either. MT-07 if you only get the full power version is what I'd consider the top end of the suitable beginner options, much like the LAMS version we get with less top end. Otherwise something like the 300s or 400s are more ideal and more likely to help you pick up better skills and stay rubber side down.
The MT-10 is amazing, but especially as a new rider getting totally out of your depth is a quarter throttle turn away.
@Too Legit To Quit Haha that does dull things down a fair bit!
A beginner on a MT-10 will definitely kill you no matter what mode your in!
I like the MT09 more vs the MT10.
The 09 you can rip without going too fast in a heartbeat
That's definitely an advantage, very easy to get into a mischief on the MT-10 even when you don't mean too!
@@MotoJournoKris thats the downside to all the hyper nakeds. The 900 ish cc bikes are just more fun now. Light when it comes too weight, and powerfull enough to be a hooligan
@@dannygernaat9961 Exactly, it's the ideal capacity these days!
The MT-07 is best.
It's a great bike!
Pretty sure mt stands for maximum torque not monster torque
Yep I goofed up good on that one!
09 has the all inspiring triple which has the feel of a real bike not to mention the easy ability to hold its own with liter bikes. I’ll take one Monster Torque 900SP please -
To go.
Yep the triple is a beautiful thing, it's a really unique engine character.
Master of Torque 👍. I've had the first two model 09`s and a 10. Cracking fun bikes tbf. Wouldn't mine a go on the new one.
Mt stands for master of torque
Actually here in Australia they've got the models listed under 'Maximum Torque.'
@@MotoJournoKris and in the US it's...really enjoy your channel.
MT = Master of Torque
Actually 'Maximum Torque' on all the Australian Yamaha website stuff, but I still got it wrong.
Telescopic forks are obsolete.
For the price of the MT-07 we should probably be seeing the USD units by now, even just those off the MT-09. We might have gotten stuck with the telescopic units to help the R7 look more attractive, or give room to drop the price.
@@MotoJournoKris yes.. In my country the price no much difference between MT07 and cb650r.
Mt stands for master of toque
Too bad your not allowed to leave your house....
Actually allowed out again! Somewhat...
MT-09 SP!!!!
The 2020 Look was really sooo much better , the 2021 is not my style ( ugly ) 😮‼️
💯
You might want to fact check a few things before you go global..... starting with the MT name. It stands for "master of torque".
Here's a link to showcase it.....
ruclips.net/video/12ZbKXZqL-o/видео.html
You learn something new every day, they even made an MT inspired anime.
the new 09's are ugly 10's are too thirsty
Mto9