Admittedly I was military LE, not civilian, so things might be different, but my active sholter training was, "It doesn't matter if you have an M4 or an M9, if you're alone or with a team. If you arrive on the scene of an active shooter, you're duty is to go in and neutralize the threat as soon as possible."
There is one difference here though. You should have trained at least once a week on some form of attack or an emergency drill. You knew that there was back up coming. Failing that you probably had your stuff wired all the time after the green on green stuff started happening. You can't really live that why here though. I mean it almost cost me my family trying to shake that paranoia.
We were on a bank shooting scene where my incident commander ordered me and two other officers to standby while hostages needed to be rescued. We just radioed what we were doing and went and did it anyway. That's an order I happily disobeyed. Thanks for the breakdown Donut.
I wish you were there that day. Obviously, it needed someone like you, and the two others you were with, to do what you do. It’s so incredibly sad. Thank you for being a good guy. 🌸
Currently a Deputy, we're taught direct to threat first thing. It's what we signed up for, what you mentally rehearse for, and what you hope never happens... but practice for. I'm embarrassed and ashamed of these first responders. These children deserved better.
I can't see the two replies to your comment, RUclips gonna censor... These cops want to make a great salary with great benefits while writing tickets and intimidating kids that throw house parties, not be heros.
@@clay5677 Yeah, I wonder what they said??? This recent censoring(showing us there are 3 comments (on a comment) but then only "letting us" see the ones they approve) is really weird and stupid.
@@advancedmonkey7702 in the case of a school shooting, yes. The lives of multiple children outweigh the value of any single adult, every time, you can't possibly make an argument that would change my mind.
@@armouredjester1622 No I am asking if the protocol states that the commander in scene must go in with the breach team. if not, the guy is just incompetent, not necessarily a coward.
@@advancedmonkey7702 A) incompetent and coward are not mutually exclusive, I would argue that for police these two go hand in hand B) I do not know or care about protocol in the case of a school shooting, regardless of what your boss says, you have a moral obligation to save the children whose lives are actively in danger. C) I have two reports from former LEO both civilian and military that first on scene is required to go in and attempt to neutralize. Not sure if accurate.
One thing that sticks out to me as a physician is by not confronting the shooter quickly the police not only caused more people to be shot but also almost certainly caused some of the wounded to bleed to death from wounds that would have been survivable had they received prompt medical attention. I heard two of the children died in the ambulance an hour after being shot ( obviously I cannot confirm this being true). The majority of people who die from gunshot wounds die from exsanguination ( bleeding to death) and the name of the game with gunshot wounds is getting the paitent to surgery ASAP. Thanks for all you do Donut.
Yes! Every time they said casualties it pissed me off. They all didn't die instantly. Many of them suffered. Many of them stayed quiet even in pain and fear because that's what they know to do in that situation. Who knows how many were alive at 5 minutes in or 10 or 30 or even 45. So many could have been saved. So many. So many.
From a life-saving perspective yeah, go make the bad guy lay down (for the rest of his life) and get aid to those who need it. I would imagine EMTs, paramedics, etc. were chomping at the bit to get in there and help but were unable because of the slow LE response. Not only did this response almost certainly cost lives, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say it likely emboldens future shooters. Instead of only getting a few minutes to do what they want, they might get an hour plus. They should expect and receive a swift lethal response every single time. We can’t afford to give these guys any encouragement.
In the academy they basically said, it doesn't matter if they are fully armored with fully automatics, you are basically a distraction, if you can't stop the threat, distract it at the very least. anything to stop the killing of innocent life.
This situation can't be justified. The children and teachers were defenseless and the police department had resources to end that much sooner. They have nothing to be proud of
First and foremost, doors that should have been locked to and from outsiders were unlocked do to complacency. Everyone working there is at least in some way responsible, there is no excuse. We must point out the painfull truth, if we are to learn from this terrible massacre.
@@zazenite6097 I wholeheartedly agree. I come from a law enforcement family. It breaks my heart to say anything negative about law enforcement. It began with laxed school and unprepared cops. Everybody shared in that tragedy.
It has been out there that the so called chief decision was not to take radio to be able to handle his weapons. Not sure on validity. Also reports are he was donating money to "Beto Os" go blue gun gun grab agenda. Again no validity but myself personally. The beginning of this is very telling that we have to be prepared to take care of each other and ourselves. No one is coming.
The response by the police was absolutely embarrassing, The police with military gear paid for by taxpayers were turning away fathers armed with firearms trying to take out the shooter while their children were being shot so many times they were unable to be identified. 🤬🤬🤬the Uvalde police department and police chief should be very VERY scared of their citizens right now.
Turning away? No say it as it was. They attacked those parents. They used pepper spray and tazers, then handcuffed them and forced them to listen to their children being executed. The police where willing to use more force against parents then they where against the shooter. Their response was far more than embarrassing it was down right criminal. The officers deserve a prison cell in general population with a very large bootie bandit.
24 years in law enforcement and this hearing absolutely infuriates me….everything which could have done wrong was done on this situation…sad that so many souls had to pay the price to bring this all to light…
Normal people aren't surprised. The police behave like criminal cowards and ruin innocent lives every single day. It's just one aspect of institutional police corruption.
"listen, i'm a visual learner so y'all are going to be too" I love that donut can still make me chuckle even while breaking down such a horrific tragedy. Laughter is the best medicine.
I’m from Scotland, the last school shooting we had was in 1996 at Dunblane, so we don’t get incidents like this very often. We do have armed cops, Armed Response Officers, and whilst incidents like this don’t happen often, they are trained for it, that even if they’re by themselves they do what they can to protect innocent lives, so seeing what happened at Uvalde is blood boiling and rage inducing, I just cannot believe how poorly this was handled and the local enforcement let so many innocents lose their lives, it’s heartbreaking. The fact local law enforcement just stood by and let all that happen and didn’t even TRY is what gets me the most.
The French police outside the Bataclan did the same thing and that was just as infuriating, if not more so, because the adult victims inside also did nothing to preserve their own lives whereas these children were fully dependent on the police.
Attorney here, I am beyond disappointed in these officers. I am a huge supporter of law enforcement but these officers failed those children, each and every one of them. I understand it’s a hard and stressful situation but you are a police officer, if you’re going to go into the occupation you are expected to be willing to put your life on the line to save others, especially children. My father was in law enforcement for 32 years 15 of those as the chief of his department until his life was stolen while protecting a victim of domestic violence. Admittedly, initially I was angry. I was mad my fathers life was stolen. I was acting as though I was the victim of a horrible crime in which claimed my fathers life but I was looking at it all wrong. My father was not a victim, my father was a hero, a hero to the actual victim of domestic abuse in which he saved her life. As hard as it is for me to say, if my dad were given 100 chances to deal with the incident that took his life differently he would do the exact same thing 100 times over because he understood what he was and what his duty to the public was. He understood he entered this occupation to make a difference and save lives which is exactly what he did. My father gave his life to save a women that was 23 years old. She was innocent, she was young, she was full of potential. I can happily say I am still in contact with her to this very day and she is a nurse saving life’s which she has told me on numerous occasions she devoted her time to go into an occupation to save lives to my father because she feels she owes that to him. It broke my heart seeing her and how guilty she felt for over 3 years until years of counseling has finally gotten her to realize he would have done that time and time again and all she can do is make use of her life and live it to the fullest extent. Now I say to you, this was 1 women I father saved. 1 women that is a nurse that is currently obtaining her MD and has saved who knows how many lives. There were 19 innocent children that lost their lives. What is the potential of 19 children? Those 19 children were on the other side of a door from these officers while they stood there and let them bleed out. Every police agency I know of has a policy on mass shootings, since the columbine shooting every single department I am aware of states the officers are to rush in as quickly as possible and neutralize the threat. Instead they sat outside a door for over an hour while the most innocent people we have to offer were bleeding, deceased, or watching their friends die. I am absolutely disgusted with the response of these officers. I gave it time to give them the benefit of doubt for some bomb shell reason of why they didn’t enter that room and I waiting and waited and by day 3 you know what the answer for why the room wasn’t entered? Nothing. Not one damn reason. I’m not blaming officers for mass shootings, there is nothing they can do to prevent someone that is sick enough in the head to go shoot children but I am absolutely blaming them for their response. They are cowards. They are in law enforcement for the wrong reason. They never should have put a badge on.
Your dad died a hero. Sad that his life was taken too soon, but he was protecting a young lady, and it warms my heart that you still talk to her. My thoughts are with you, Brock. And I thank him for his service, and saving lives, and her life that day. Stay safe out there.
Please, Please take pride in the fact that your dad was taken doing what he loved, saving lives and helping people! Not sure if your religious, but if you are I'm sure you'll know he'll be getting pats on the back all round wherever he is.
Hey Donut, not sure if you're aware, I'm watching this after the fact, but the chief DID have a radio; he said he left it in his car because he said he thought it would slow him down...his 150-lb gut probably slowed him down a bit more.
Coming at this about as cold as you can be and still be aware that the event happened... but WTAF? The _man in charge_ said he didn't have a radio? That smells of gross negligence. The man deserves every cent of civil penalties headed his way.
Ill leave this here. That department had a active school shooter course 2 months before this incident. You can look it up yourself but they stated in the course that officers are required to run in and stop a shooter even if they are by themselves. The course also stated if they did not have the courage to go in by themselves they should seek a different career.
@@blackcobra7055 no. officers are not required by law to actually protect anyone. supreme court has already decided on this. the real question is, can they legally be fired for this? and the answer is certainly more open ended than the previous question
I am a metal worker in Switzerland and the first thing I see here is that although escape doors are installed at the main entrances, they can be locked with electronic locking systems, especially in US school buildings, but they can be opened at any time in the event of a fire from the inside. Example: When class starts at 9:00 a.m., all doors lock automatically and open again in the afternoon when school is over. However, the doors can be opened from the inside at any time, even in the event of a power failure (fire, etc.), with the escape door function. Every school should have that. In addition, the three panes next to the door and the glass in the door leaf must be made of laminated safety glass. It's not bulletproof, but you can't just shoot it up either. Because the glass itself consists of a fine aluminum frame sealed with butyl, containing an insulating gas such as argon, and on the outside of this frame there are at least two panes of glass laminated to each other with a transparent film. Bullet-proof panes are constructed in a similar way, except that they naturally have many thin glasses glued on top of each other. It is precisely such simple measures that would make the schools much more difficult to access "targets" and would certainly have prevented many rampages. Not all, but many... Such measures must still be carried out in front of armed teachers. This measure also offers the best cost-benefit ratio. Because, unfortunately, this also plays a role in decisions in poorer districts.
You're overthinking it. Remote lock is a waste of money compared to fire exit doors which stay locked unless opened from inside. Furthermore the doors must be made of metal, because glass doors are as stuoid as building a house out of straw or twigs
I watched a movie about a guy I knew back in high school who while unarmed rushed a gunman with an AK47 and stopped a mass shooting on a train in France… then the very next morning heard about a dozen armed and body armored police officers hiding outside a classroom for an hour during a mass shooting. Not even one of them had a fraction of the strength and courage of Spencer Stone.
holy shit, I googled spencer stone and read the story... what an absolute badass. Not only did he neutralize the threat whilst getting stabbed/injured, he saved the life of another man who tried to stop the shooter as well but was shot in the process. Absolute hero, he deserves to live worry free for the rest of his life
I live in Uvalde, Donut I am not happy neither. Everyone in town is fuming mad in fact and the cops are getting on everyones nerves in turn, things are heating up all because of these evil negligent assholes.
I did 26 years in LE and retired now. Every last one of those officers that stood in that hallway at minimum should be fired if they haven't resigned yet. How in God's creation can a full-grown man live with himself knowing what was happening to those children while he stood in that hallway armed to the teeth. Sickening!
JUST fired? You don't think there should be any LEGAL ramifications for this? Just as a former LEO I want your opinion. So if I failed at my job so catastrophically, I caused multiple children their lives, I shouldn't be help legally responsible despite the fact I COULD have made a difference? Genuinely asking not trying to antagonize.
In fairness, it doesn’t take much training to sit with a gun pointed at a door and blast anyone who comes through it. It’s still no excuse for the hesitance of the police to breach that room. It seems like even the cops at the scene are chafing from the order.
If there is an active shooter, particularly in a school, you go and neutralise the threat ASAP. How could so many people agree that instead the police should just stand around twiddling their thumbs.
They didn't just twiddle their thumbs, they stopped the parents that were armed and ready to go in. The few officers with kids in the school went in and got theirs out. Way fucking worse.
@@holographicfrog1503 That is a fuuucking lie. Only one non local off duty cop went in on the other side of the building after the shooter got shot. Shame on you, bullshiter.
@@Bandito7537 if only there were multiple armed people trained in active shooting scenarios who could’ve saved the lives of children sitting outside the school
DPS agent responded: “if there’s still kids inside, we just need to go in.” This man should have been in charge of this situation. He wanted to go in there.
Also the Ruiz officer, which wife was shot dead at the classroom, she was calling him on the phone that she's shot, he wanted to rushed there slone, but the Chief stopped him. What a asshole.
I've been a cop 25 years. Their actions were egregious!!! A couple friends and I sat and watched this video several times. One guy was from a neighboring agency, and a troopa. The one officer stated their general order states that they wait for 4 officers to arrive on scene, form a diamond and go in. WTF. But it's a larger agency and to have 4 officers on scene would be easy and fast. Where as the smaller agencies just go in, same as the deputies in the county and of course the troopa said the same. Straight in to the threat! This makes me sick to my stomach; the actions of this people (I refuse to call them officers).
“I am a visual learner, and you all are going to be too.” -Donut. I appreciate the giggle. I was in tears the entire video. My daughter, she JUST turned 4, started pre-K a couple months ago. When I tell you I pace at work the entire time she’s gone…I’ve worn through a brand new pair of sneakers and I’m halfway through my second new pair. I would feel so much relief if there were armed veterans at the door, which should be the ONLY way in and ONLY way out. The experience veterans have, the gut feelings they would get, they would be invaluable. They ARE invaluable. I love you Donut! My brain is shit all the time. My depression has ahold of me and won’t let go. You make a huge difference in my quality of life. Retired or not, be safe. 🖤💙🖤
A bunch of airsoft kids with fake plastic crap would have been as, maybe even more, effective than the Uvalde police department. If your equipments real and you dont use it, its less useful than the fake shit people pretend with.
I get what you're saying but based on the timeline all of the killing already happened before police were even on scene... And just to be clear, I 100% agree they could have and should have breached MUCH earlier, I'm simply stating that it was a lose-lose situation by the time officers arrived on scene
So I live in uvalde, and I work on the east side of town. I remember all the emergency first responders from every town in the vicinity rushing by. I can’t believe it’s taken us a month to learn any of this information about what’s happened.
This is criminal negligence on the part of the ‘chief’, and I’d wager that with the responding officers aswell. They needed to say ‘Fuck you, let’s go.’ and ignore the chief because he was obviously incompetent according to this analysis.
Instead they all pat themselves on the back for a job well done and the cheif gets a promotion onto the city council. Yup that's the Uvalde justice right there. No officers will face any repocussions to the criminal actions they committed that day. But why has the public lost all respect for the police? Why would anyone call for departments like this to be defunded?
@@Bean5proutOMG he was promoted to City Council! Allegedly they didn't hold a ceremony for him out of respect for the parents and children - they should have pilloried his ass for the parents instead.
First thing I learned in ice rescue was that if there is life at risk and there is a boat locked up nearby, you cut the lock and use the boat, regardless of who's boat it is. "It is easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission". Rules go out the window when lives are at stake. If the chief was holding officers back whilst not organizing a plan, he needs to be held accountable for the negligence.
Absolutely agree, i see alot of people pointing fingers at all the cops (with it being such a tragedy you can only expect that though) but i personally believe the real people that need to be punished are the people who hindered progress on that day, so the chief, and anyone else who delayed action. if what donut said is true and the oficers did want to go in but were stopped by their chief than the focus shouldnt be on those officers sitting there doing nothing, it should be on the dipshit that ordered them to do nothing. i honestly was hoping that there was a good reason that nothing happened that day and ive been waiting for donuts recap knowing he'll give an unbiased take on the whole thing with info from both sides of the argument aswell as his personal take based off his experiences, but after watching this it truly is sad to see that this whole thing was delayed by the least prepared chief in history. hes a leader he should be ready for this stuff at all times, but nope instead hes fumbling around looking for keys and a radio while kids are being shot and telling his officers to wait....
@@b3_op103 sure the chief too. but that doesnt make the cops innocent. they put their jobs above the lives of children when its their job to not do that. any moral man would see this as a "whatever happens happens but im not the guy thats gonna do nothing" situation
@@b3_op103 No, they all need to be punished. All it would have taken is literally anyone who had a set of balls and a fuck you attitude and just directly disobey the chiefs orders. Inaction is compliance. And therefor they are all guilty.
The problem in the us is that cops aren't responsible for personal safety, they are responsible for public safety. If you are in custody then they are responsible for you since you are held there by the state. Those children weren't in custody so, legally in the usa their deaths can't be accounted to the police. Although their incompetence along with the lax gunlaws and bad mental health situation killed the kids
@@KingD-Trix don't agree. The law enforcement can't be full of wannabe heroes just because it fits the situation for once. LE needs to be structured as they carry a lot of responsibility with their equipment and thus a hierarchy needs to be put in place since the higher the rank, the more experience and more responsibility for their decisions. The higher ranks should know what is the best and should instruct the newer ones, if they screw up, it's on them. If the officers disobeyed and screwed up (e.g. shot a kid, hurt one of them accidentally) people would still hate on them and they'd be in deep waters for disobeying orders too and well...good faith in what you're doing wouldn't help you either.
Something needs to come from all this. I still cannot believe how much time passed from time of officers being on sight until the suspect was engaged. Just goes to show what happens when you hire people who just sit and listen to orders rather than act
they never were engaged. it was a guy getting a haircut getting a text from his wife borrowing a barbers shotgun, going to the school and taking out the shooter himself that ended it
These cops have been collecting paychecks for years based on the expectation that they'd do something when needed. They didn't. I say they have defrauded the state, citizens and taxes. I know it's not possible, but it'd be funny if they had to give it back. Instead the schools, roads, etc will suffer when the state coffers have to pay out for the lawsuits.
NZ had one mass shooting and massively changed their gun policy. America has had countless mass shooting and continue to do nothing to battle this. There is no tyrannical government you need to protect yourself from, and the only reason you actually need a gun to begin with is because so many other people already have them. You wouldn't need a gun to defend yourself if there was no threat to begin with, let alone being able to purchase military style rifles with high capacity magazines at the 18+. The only tyranny Americans are facing are that of the extreme tyrannical minority that refuses to allow America to grow as a nation due to it infringing on their "right" and "freedom".
The Cheif needs to be charged with dereliction of duty and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law... Or leave him in a room with the parents who lost children!!! 😡
The peice of **** is an Accessory to Murder. Prosecute him as such. And investigate weather he was involved in the Planning and Perpetration of this, as they had the Shooter in Custody Multiple Times prior.
Go look for where dereliction of duty is a law outside the military and get back to us. Worst case he gets fired. Amazing how stupid people are and yet they still get a vote.
The protocol in Missouri after Columbine goes like this: If there is an active shooter IN A SCHOOL, you go in. No body armor, no rifle, no backup, doesn't matter, you go in NOW! It's pretty unambiguous. You stop the school shooter or die trying. PERIOD. Doesn't work for you, get a different job. Law enforcement has lots of opportunities where you'll never be near a school.
@@thehappyclam3942 I'm pretty sure he means you can get some desk job like admin or something. It's clear you're not happy with the police, and that's understandable, but chill.
i cant believe no one just said "we didnt hear that" and just went in... We are trained for single officer response for a reason. I cant believe anyone listened to the Chief's hold for that long. Espeically if youre from another agency.
Ya my parents and I talked about that. Not ONE officer disobeyed orders to save those kids? I know it’s easier to say things like this when you aren’t there, BUT I KNOW I would run into that school unarmed to try and save those kids. I wouldn’t wait for orders. But orders are orders
they watched the movie "speed" and took the line, "shoot the hostage" to the next level. "how should we handle this cheif?" "wait until he kills all the hostages and then shoot him, it's a perfect plan"
He gave his gun to his mate willingly. He will have to live with his cowardice for the rest of his life. But he had the chance to save his wife and decided not to. My sympathy is for the parents outside who tried to go in and save their children but where attacked by officers like the guy checking his phone. The guilt phone cop has is nothing compared to the hate those parents will have to live with for the rest of their lives. Knowing they could have saved their children but where prevented by people who should have been saving the children but instead chose to help the shooter and attack the parent's.
Pistols are accurate for over 200 yards (lethal for much farther), how much distance did the chief think the shooter was going to have if the police go after?
@@OmniscientWarrior Not defending *anything* the cops did but, while they are accurate and deadly out that far, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who could take advantage of that accuracy at even 100 meters.
People need to appreciate this state-of-the-art-high-quality-software given to Donut by the FBI-CIA and stop complaining. No other RUclipsr has these kind of tools!
So glad Donut became a whistleblower against the US govt. to show us this technology. With the wrong hands, this could be highly dangerous software, but I trust Donut with this software more than anyone else
When he says that “he couldve gotten in even if the door wasn’t locked because the glass didn’t have wire mesh in it” (paraphrased) (1:07:40) he is mistaken regarding the purpose of the “mesh”. The wire mesh that they put in glass on doors and some interior windows is strictly for fire protection. That mesh adds no practical strength and doesn’t contribute to the security whatsoever. It helps distribute heat evenly in the glass in the case of a fire (differential heating causes glass to expand unevenly and shatter) and to help hold it the pane together if it breaks due to fire. The wire that grid is made out of is so thin that you can literally rip through it with your bare hands. It is far weaker than the glass it’s embedded in. Anything “tool” capable of breaking glass can push or pull the wire out as if it isn’t there.
@@valkyriesurvives5109 can attest, buddy in school "reached in" once. Aka, slammed his hand so hard into the door that his whole arm went through up to the elbow.
Whilst I appreciate both the livestreams AND the regular breakdowns, I find it easier to follow the regular breakdowns. Is there a chance you will do another one of these, but minus all the live shenanigans? Only reason I ask, is that I feel your perspective should be shared widely, but the livestream format is not as clear and concise. Thanks Donut, love you, love what you do.
Your honesty and willing to call out bad cops where they need to be called out is what makes your channel heads and shoulders above anyone else especially officer Tatum's channel
You are 100% correct on that! And occifer Tatum said he had “inside information” or an “inside contact”, so you know that means he’s just gonna double down on his cop loving. Instead of telling the truth
Officer Tatum be sounds crazy and like a damn conspiracy theorist these days. Used to watch him all the time but haven’t watched him in at least a year
"the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun..... is 17 good guys with, 4 long-guns, two ballistic shields, 17 service pistols, a halligan bar, and an hour and twelve minutes of waiting..."
For those playing at home, the soon to be former chief is now a city councilman. I wonder how the first meeting went? Oh kicked parents and press out of the meeting is how it went.
*Why? It is clear he was just following procedure, and the shooter clearly took a page from Donut's book back when he had been swatted and called the police department in advance, prior to the shooting. That is probably why they didn't go into the building. Surprised they even showed up at all, and not just call the shooter after they had gotten the first report of shots being fired*
@@SirBladewind Sorry, I misapoke not former, not yet. He was placed on administrative leave from police yesterday. He also allegedly begged off having to attend council meetings. Why does it matter? Current scuttlebutt is the "hold" order came directly from him.
@@JohnSmith09123 >shooter called police department prior to shooting source? citation? Because the police were in pursuit of him up until he entered the building. So how does it matter if he called them prior to the shooting or not? The police were on the scene when he entered the schoolroom. There's no reason to not pursue the armed shooter who by that point had already shot at people into the school.
Boy, this episode really stomped out what little reputation law enforcement had in this country. People all but actively hate the police at this point and the good ones are getting dragged right along for the ride.
Which makes no fucking sense unfortunately it really dose suck that the incompetence of the commander and some of the officers is what people will be think with ALL officers beyond disrespectful
Wild exaggeration. Police are widely supported despite the media crafted perception. A small Mexican border town of Hispanic cops represents nothing about Texas police much less the rest of the country.
@@p.p.8624 well the country is damn near on the verge of defunding the police. So there’s that dude. There’s no way in hell you aren’t a cop being this out of touch.
They won't ind peace but they will find a gun store to buy an ARMALITE for protection like most of us have. So they vcan protect themselves. Cause now they know. no one is coming to help you!!!!!!!!
Not even, Security may have less training but the expectation is the same. Armed or not, DO SOMETHING. If you don't have the ability to take action, don't involve yourself in a public service position.
I was security for Gaylord national hotel for magfest conventions; chief of security was Ethan E'toole. Doesn't matter if my contract didn't state it; I personally made it my mission if need be, save as many people if such an event went down. Preserve life to the best of my ability by using as much necessary force as the situation requires. However, we constantly had to remind ourselves "We are not cops". Regardless, we would do our utmost to make sure everyone came in safe and happy, and left the same way. Bless you all in any form of public service, health and security. Hope you're all well.
@@codyjr9427 as a public security officer I feel the need to explain that this is a really bad idea to force upon a generalized group of “security guards.” There are a lot of laws and regulations that go into the training of security officers and each state has different requirements. But most states have security guard programs that specifically state that guard responsibilities lie on the contracts they take. For example, my contract as a public security officer, states that I am a professional witness. I may not involve myself unless commanded by an officer to assist him, or in self defense of myself. Bear in mind I did not state “in defense of a third party” because my contract does not allow it. Violating contract makes me liable for anything that happens outside that contract. Now that doesn’t mean that I haven’t stepped in a broken up a fight with words or simply my presence breaking a fight up. But at the end of the day, I call police. I witness crimes and report them accurately. Sometimes my presence prevents a crime because someone feels that they’ll be caught by me, but when it doesn’t prevent crime, I sure as hell witness it and report it accurately and immediately. I have a police radio to call in crimes as they’re happening. But to get involved is not a common responsibility for security guards. Even armed guards.
But police have no legal obligation to help anyone. That’s a world I wish I lived in, but the legal reality makes tragedies like this happen over and over again.
No, they stopped the parents from running in and getting themselves killed, that doesn't mean the officers did the right thing INSIDE the building, but keeping parents from getting shot is a good move. You're doing the same shit major media outlets do, completely twisting the situation to make it seem like some sort of unforgivable evil. Imagine if a bunch of parents did rush in, multiple get shot, now not only do you have parents who lost children, you also have children who lost parents because their parents decided to rush towards an active shooter. Use your brain.
They had everything you could want in an active shooter situation, except the one thing that mattered. Officer on scene? Check. Backup? Check. Armed with more than a pistol? Check. Body armor? Check. Suspect location known? Check. A competent commander? ... The chief was an idiot. I have no doubt that the chief's presence was a detriment that cost those children and teachers their lives.
S*** you would think they would have had the balls to strap up and go in even if the commanders said not to I mean who looks in her little kids be murdered oh wait this Police department
Its far more than just the chief. Every single officer there has the death of those kids and teachers on their hands. The officers who handcuffed parents while doing nothing to stop the slaughter going on mere feet away. The officers who stopped and threatened the funeral director (or whatever he was) from going after the POS with his gun after he got shot at before he got to the school. The officers who stopped, handcuffed, and took away the gun of the off duty officer rushing to save his wife after he got a message from her saying she was shot and dying (she was one of the teachers who was killed...I cant imagine the pain and unbridled rage that man is suffering with now). Every.last.one of those cops is guilty and every last one deserves to be charged with criminal charges. I normally would never say this about anyone, but I hope none of them can sleep at night for the rest of their lives and are haunted by what they allowed to happen...because the family of all those murdered are going to have to live with this horror for the rest of theirs, especially those who were held back while listening to the shots that killed their babies...it makes my blood boil and they cannot get away with this
Question... why the fuck did they listen to his orders? They stood there. Listened to the kids dying... and... stood there. It wasnt just the cowars chief. They were ALL cowards.
I said it on the Next News Network's video and I'll say it here; The fact that the Uvalde police have stopped working with the Texas department of Public Safety and even went as far to bar them from further investigation should be a wake up call that something more sinister is at work here.
They are also harassing the families that have gone public with their outrage. Sick twisted pos department, the entire building needs a thorough investigation and review. I bet that there's book cooking and stuff there. No way you harassing victims families after YOUR FAILURE!!!!!
Small town I guess? It's strange all around. More than one official said the shooter's family were great people, which is an outright lie. Strange people and situation.
Nah the parents where brave yet the police cowardice decided to attack the parents for being brave. All officers who helped or watched officers pepper spraying and tazing the parents need to also face charges.
when seconds count, the police are 74 minuts away and compleatly incompetent... thank you so much to the Border Sec for disregarding orders and going in. ❤
Not only that, they failed in literally every step of preventing this atrocity. The feds had eyes on him prior to this, he had charges that shouldve rendered him unable to buy the guns, all of the steps to end it after he had started shooting failed. This reeks of F A L S E F L A G
You know what I find admirable about Donut. He absolutely knows his videos will most likely be de monetized. Yet, instead of trying to be super politically correct and soften the facts he still gives the raw video knowing he won't make as much cash off it. Good on you Donut. Good on you.
@@quemzzy7397 because it helps to keep the channel going to show what kind of wild life is out there, amidst our society, and this doesnt happen again.
@@carlitosskater89 People are too God damned coddled and need a harsh dose of reality. But that's exactly why they won't show them uncut footage. It would scare them into thinking straight.
A reminder the governor of Texas was fighting the rights for the video not to be release because he was “appreciating” how the police officer settled the issue
Going through this whole thing, it really boils down to the chief being an absolute coward, and doing literally anything other than being a man and to take on the active shooter. He valued his own life over the lives of innocent children, and to me, he should face charges. (I understand that officers can, and have, disobeyed similar orders. But it shouldn't even come to that point where it's on the officers to make that call, even tho they made the wrong one, hence the "it really boils down to the chief", everything after that is just a result of his/their decisions or lack there of.)
The officers just as cowardly for not disobeying direct orders to save the kids. And people wonder how pre Nazi Germany got Nazified. ( In the aspect of people following orders, even if they know the orders are wrong. )
@@elderkyst2386 well a disturbingly large portion of the German police did willingly participated in the early Holocaust, known perfectly well what they were doing was wrong.
My heart is heavy watching this. When everyone immediately blamed police, I stuck up for them and said " wait for a report before forming your lynch mob, We don't know all the details and we cannot ignorantly blame anyone. These are complex matters." Ita hard to deal with the truth here. That it looks like incompetence, inexperience and cowardice within the leadership, played a critical role to this outcome.
How long did we have to wait? We knew day 1 how long it took them to go in the class. That in itself goes against school shooting protocol. The officer is to go in immediately, even without backup. The protocol is, as soon as you determine there is an active shooter you don't wait for anyone. You enter and move to neutralize and it may be at your peril it'd be great if you had some help - but I can assure you those kids need help more than you need help
"That doctrine requires officers - we don't care what agency you're from, you don't have to have a leader on the scene - every officer lines up, stacks up, goes and finds where those rounds are being fired at, and keeps shooting until the subject is dead. Period," Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw
I struggle with that but ya I always try to remember that people are innocent until proven guilty. Some times it’s easy to jump to conclusions. Seems though that ya the police failed the community and the school
"You do what you can or die trying" is the best statement a 1st responder should make in these situations. They volunteered to be either a hero or a martyr, depending on the outcome.
@@IanBLacy thats exactly what im saying. you dont get to be called a hero just for being a cop unless you do something heroic. the term hero alone is a dangerous to use recklessly in nearly any capacity to describe a person unless their actions seriously warrant it.
@@DaarthPingas do you feel the same about members of the military? It's the same thing. They get paid to put themselves in dangerous situations. It's the job they signed up for, knowing the risks, under their own volition. This is America, nobody is forcing these people into these professions
Being a peace officer in Central California it’s sad to say the Uvalde Police Department fucked up that bad. A critical incident of that magnitude is not about training, incompetent supervisors, or department policy but about to do what you signed up for which is to protect as many lives as possible ASAP.
This really is a comprehensive showcase of how to do everything wrong. I'm more willing to forgive the dispatchers because if you've ever seen a 911 office when something like this is going on, it's absolute hell. Small town like Uvalde might have 2-4 dispatchers and they have to listen to, communicate with, and decipher a shit show like this as it happens. It's a dozen or more voices all at once. I can only imagine having to hear the sounds of children literally dying in my ear while having to deal with screaming cops on the radio and the parents calling in because the police are stopping them from getting in and doing something. ALL of that shit goes through that office to be recorded and documented meticulously. If your boots are on the ground though and you're literally a stones throw from where this is happening and you DON'T do anything, that's unacceptable and you're going to live with that for the rest of your life.
@@Fuhrious It probably depends on volume and jurisdiction then. I'm a dispatcher in a town smaller than Uvalde and we always have at least two. I knew it wouldn't have been more than four though.
Its sickening knowing that cops were literally feet away while little children were dying 😔. My heart goes out to all the families that lost someone that day.
They pulled officers to hold parents back? Those parents are willing to run into the fire but these cops are having a fuckin’ picnic in the hallway. Don’t worry about the parents go neutralize the subject like you’re trained to do!!!
@Andy J Can't - Now you got people running in who could end up getting shot or killed, or worse, you got a parent who's gone in with a gun and mistakenly shoot a child, parent, the police, or the police mistakes them for the shooter (they have a gun in their hand), and not you have a victim who did not need to be one. funny how the media and the attorneys would have a field day with that.
@@thespadestable "and mistakenly shoot a child, parent, or the police." Well they couldn't shoot the police because they didn't go in there so you can scratch that off your list. You have a lot of "what ifs" but what if a parent went in there and shot the mass murderer and thus prevented the deaths of more children and teachers? Hm, funny how you never considered that. I wonder how your brain works. Just because you need to hear it again, the police stood there for OVER AN HOUR doing nothing, well that's not entirely true, they detained some parents. I'm sure at least 99% of those parents out there would have given their life to stop it from happening, they would die happily knowing they tried to save the life of their and other children, that's how a parent's mind works and it's how I know you're not a parent (but in the off chance you are, I feel sorry for your kids).
@@Death-999 - "and mistakenly shoot a child, parent, or the police." And that's what I love about selective outrage, because when pressed into corner, it shows its inconsistency. Parent runs in, gets shot, killed, taken as a hostage, shoots a student or staff member, the first thing people like you would say is that the police did not properly secure the building, and why did they just allow an untrained person just run into the building, to include, because of their lack of attention, they could had allowed a second shooter to go in and assist the first shooter. Lastly, just like a fire. The objective is to get people out if you can, not allow people to run in, because now you have an extra person to save. The police not going in is after the fact, not during real time.
@@thespadestable - If the police that the citizens allow to enforce the law and protect them do not enforce the law and protect them then the citizens will do it themselves!
The cheif was given a promotion. He now heads the city council.... So yeah there won't be any police accountability for their actions at Uvalde. I wonder why people don't trust or respect the police anymore?
I remember that at my elementary school back in 2005 we had metal doors with metal mesh over all the windows and everytime we had a lock down the on campus security along with a few teachers would walk around and make sure all the doors and gates were locked from the outside. Lock downs were taken super fucking seriously back then at least. Its really wacky that 17 years later there are schools that are less secure than where i went as a kid. A horrible tragedy.
@@sparkynate91 Just a nice kinda middle classish public school in a cute little neighborhood. I have to admit the amount that they cared about our security was probably an outlier in comparison to most schools at the time and even now it seems. There would be times when there was a reported shooting miles and miles away and theyd still insist on a lockdown until it was absolutely certain we were safe. Happened at least once every two months along with regular drills. I remember the principal was very strict about that kinda stuff. Probably because her own kid went to school there. She was british aswell. Maybe she cared so much because she was terrified of big scary america and all of its guns, but even then im not sure how much power a principle has over that kinda stuff and maybe it went even higher up when it came to that districts paranoia of any danger. But back then and especially now id consider how that school ran to be the bare minimum.
@@MrSomeDonkus A drill every two months is a lot, I don't live in America so the only drills I had at school were fire drills and we only had that once a year (and we did have a fire once). This might be a hot take but perhaps doing active shooter drills gives students the idea that being an active shooter is an option. I know practising something is a good way to make sure people know what to do in a real situation, but the drills and the constant talk about school shootings can give these people ideas. I also think students need to be taught that school isn't the world, to them it seems like it is, but once school is over the real world unlocks, as if you've just finished the tutorial level and the rest of the map is now available. Once they realise the person that's bullying them will never be apart of their life after schools over, they might not have to consider murder as a solution.
That's like my highschool, you have to be buzzed into the lobby then buzzed into the office or rest of the building. If you were a shooter you would be stuck inside the lobby with steel doors and bulletproof glass, with 0 escape
“That’s one of those orders that you have to just say GFYS chief.” Exactly. Fffing exactly. If they were still hearing shots which meant almost certainly that people were still dying that entire stupidly long time, they should have said GFYS and kicked down the door, even if they were stark a#% naked armed only with pistols. It just adds insult to injury that they were waiting outside fully kitted out with carbines and body armor 😡 makes me sick.
I know, right? Even if you're a lone officer with just a pistol, get the fuck in there and distract the shooter and try to prevent him from hurting anyone else until backup arrives. Even that would be better than standing around outside doing nothing.
NGL this was more of a listen in more than a break down. I'm happy you put this up or I would have missed it. Thanks for the break listen in though donut.
Having listened to the dispatch audio from the Virginia Beach Municipal Center shooting (my hometown) numerous times, the first officer to enter the building was going in within 2 minutes of the dispatch being put out, and he was alone. Following him within 2 minutes were plain clothes detectives, several K-9 units, and additional officers, some from special operations. THAT is how a response should be. Get in quick, locate and isolate the shooter, and have additional units coming in behind sweep for victims and survivors.
Currently a LEO we had training literally right after this. We went to our local school, my captain criticized Uvalde PD, which we all agree with. The rumor is they didn’t have equipment for the situation. At minimum every LEO is issued a vest, firearm, extra mags and some type of training, that’s all you need. Uvalde PD must’ve forgot to issue the LEOs courage.
@@smittysmith4828 it won’t. Training isn’t necessary for courage and common sense. There’s an active shooter actively killing kids, it’s been well over an hour and you have numbers.
Would you have helped your fellow officers taze and pepper spray parents then handcuff them and force them to listen to their children being executed? Because that entire department did. And they all represent you with their uniform... Non of them thought it was a bad idea to assist the shooter by eliminating all threats to him.
The school resource officer might be responsible for multiple campuses which would explain why he wasn't there from the beginning. At the school I graduated from, out resource officer was responsible for 1 high school, 1 middle school and 3 different elementary schools which were multiple miles away from each other.
@@Moggymorgenstein cuffing kids, juvenile detention center internments, etc, for what used to be after school detention or iss, etc. Google candy selling bust by school resource officer in school, or child tazered
For context: after hearing about this, my 10 YEAR OLD BROTHER, within about 15 seconds, had said "why not crossfire him through the window? You know he's shooting the door so he's not looking that way!" My little brother, whose best tactical knowledge is from playing halo with our friends, came up with a better tactic than this chief, (and my math isn't exact) over 720 times faster.
I worked at many different schools, it's not easy to go in and find anything tbh. There's 25 or so windows with glare and crap taped and shades are typically drawn ESPECIALLY in a lock down. It's possible that cross fire situation could work, but there are definitely MANY variables people don't think about when imagining real life threats. I also thought about how most windows are higher up to prevent theft, so you are more often shoulder height looking into the building, if it's older than like 1960 then maybe not, but most the ones I worked at it wasn't easy to just peak in to classrooms from the outside like a house or office building.
As a person who is still in school for another year I hope beyond hope that I never have to experience the terror that those poor kids had to feel and the pain their loved ones must still be feeling.
Some lunatic in my area attempted a mass shooting at my highschool the year after I graduated. Ended up killing two people too early and everyone on the floor got their doors locked in time so he just shot through the walls. By then like two cops already breaking into the building because they were two blocks away when it started. Shooter heard them breaking in and blew his brains out. The gun free zone sign didn't do anything to stop that. Only left everyone defensless, stuck waiting hoping the police were doing something. Luckily unlike uvalde, they actually were. Just breaking into the building was enough to get that guy to suicide
@@TheAnnoyingBoss that’s crazy to think about man… luckily the cops got the guy before he could do more damage. Not saying 2 people is nothing but it’s way better than 20 or whatever Uvalde is at now
Donut , I just wanted to share . I was subbed to Officer Tatum's channel for over a year and after the shooting I wanted to get his opinion . During his review he immediately got defensive for all the police officers and told all of his viewers to stop criticizing them because we were not there . He said that none of the officers did anything wrong and If we didn't agree we could unsubscribe . That is exactly what I did . I had a lot of respect for Tatum but being told I was wrong if I didn't agree with him rubbed me the wrong way . Thank you for being open minded .
I haven't unsubbed but him taking it personal and telling people to leave or calling people cowards if they haven't been law enforcement is shameful. Some people want to be a doctor or a preacher, they grow up dreaming of being a veterinarian. That doesn't make them a coward.
@@Man-vs-Metal doesn't sound like he deserves your subscription. There are other cop run channels for you to get perspective from. Tatum sounds disrespectful
Ease up on Tatum. I have always thought him pretty even handed up to this point. This was a horrific even and everyone’s emotions are up. Add to that the fact that everyone in mainstream media has been shytting on cops for over two years with the blessings of the ruling politicos. We all come from different experiences. I suspect what Tatum intended to say was “dont jump to conclusions and wait for the investigation to flesh out the facts. Since none of us was there it is not our place to try and convict these officers in the media.” I suspect his emotional response over ruled his tact on that day.
I have done the same. I used to really respect tatum but hes lost it and my subscription after saying these officers did nothing wrong and actually did good things. The completely dropped the ball on this just like the officers in parkland. You can blame the police on scene for this failure and still have overall support for police but tatum cant see that and its disappointing.
As a teacher, you should be advocating and petitioning for teachers to be able to carry in schools! Because to a crazy person who just wants to kill, a "gun free zone" sign looks more like a "you can kill many people here come on in" sign!!! It is time to get teachers armed IF THEY WANT TO BE ARMED AND ARE TRAINED WITH FIREARMS!
Our society has failed them and all others, including everyone now since they still haven’t done anything to make them any safer and just keep debating about guns. Until schools are secured properly and there are teachers or armed guards of some kind then the kids are being failed and left to be soft targets.
Hey man as sad as it is at least he never made it into another classroom or the death wouldve been up there towards 50 because no one in the schools can do anything except sit like defensless fish in a barrel
Im glad im not the only one who makes fun of that shit i support the police but its cringey to see that as a punisher fan especially since most of them would be killed by the punisher had he been real
The whole key thing was also very interesting. The last thing stopping me on that lock would be to check if someone is behind it before I shotgun it open
@@ThePyroWaffles You are missing the point and clearly didn't watch the presenation or the video. The door to the classroom was not able to lock. The teacher or the shooter would not have the ability to lock it so it doesn't matter about what can open locks or not. Moreso, the classroom had multiple windows that as donut points out, could have and should have been used tacitcally. How does that boot taste? Bloody?
also yeah breaching rounds are literally made so that after exploding a lock they desintegrate, unlike a normal slug that will go through a probably hit someone behind
77 MINUES before BORTAC was allowed to go in and STOP the killer RAMOS! (note: they were there for 30 minutes and Chief Arredondo told them BORTAC to Stand Down..)
I finished watching the rest of the senate hearing and they say several times that even one officer is enough to rush the suspect and that it should have been done as soon as they got on scene. This is a huge failure on the police department and to think about kids bleeding out and teachers bleeding out while they stood there is ridiculous. I hope there is some kind of justice.
Justice will be that the county will pay even more in taxes next year when the elementary school is bulldozed and rebuilt elsewhere and school board members and township/city officials launder as much of the change as possible. The city officials will be jumping for joy once the negative press fizzles out. As for the police--they'll probably get a huge increase in profits too under the guise of training. We'll be hearing about it this time next year as a footnote on some news story. But by then people will ask "Uvalde who?"
What is this justice you people speak of ? The only criminal here is the shooter. Justice WAS served when he was neutralized. If you’re looking for REFORM or more TRAINING than that’s fine. Those things are not the same as justice.
Every part of this was a perfect storm. Unlocked exterior doors, an old ass building in need of updates that should have happened years ago, school resource officer passing the shooter on the road most likely going to a different campus, police radios that don't work inside a building?, and an incompetent chief in charge
It really was, only change I would say is the SRO. From what I understood he saw what could have been the suspect on the south and rushed over through the parking lot (donut said open field but it was clarified as a parking lot prior in the vid) which the shooter was hiding behind cars in. It's easy to miss someone hiding when you are rushing to another position.
The fallacy of making schools a prison complex: The harder it is to geti n, the harder to get out. Its stupid to think that making schools controlled entry and egress is going to prevent murder. If this happens more often, then hey'll just wait for 3 pm when the schoosl get out and do their deed. I mean, at that point you've got packed sardines in hallways thanks to the fact that "well we turned a nice open school yard and wide hallways into a controlled egress sitaution for MUH SAFETY"
As far as the radios they are lowest bid as all our equipment is, so there’s that! You think the city or counties or state gives a shit, your fooling yourself!
My dad has a friend who lived near there, and he had a niece that went to that school, now for whatever reason on that day of the tragedy they decided they was gonna go do something else, so she didn’t go to school and luckily she wasn’t harmed
When my old school had a shooting I just woke up with a weird vibe (wasn’t going to that school was going to a different one but that afternoon I heard about it)
the door is standard for all schools. there could have been a piece of paper wedged in the door jamb hole preventing the lock from engaging. Also at 1:09:00 that means the assistant principals and principal didnt follow the code red lockdown policies. The teacher reported man with a gun lockdown when she saw the kid walking toward the school. plenty of time to lock the doors
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Admittedly I was military LE, not civilian, so things might be different, but my active sholter training was, "It doesn't matter if you have an M4 or an M9, if you're alone or with a team. If you arrive on the scene of an active shooter, you're duty is to go in and neutralize the threat as soon as possible."
Thank you for your service.
I might be wrong but I think nearly 3/4 of americans who CC would rush in to stop the shooting, probably 19/20 once its in an elementary school.
Police officers don’t have duties anymore says the Supreme Court.
There is one difference here though. You should have trained at least once a week on some form of attack or an emergency drill. You knew that there was back up coming. Failing that you probably had your stuff wired all the time after the green on green stuff started happening. You can't really live that why here though. I mean it almost cost me my family trying to shake that paranoia.
@@aethelwolfe3539 no responsibilty to uphold the law they are immune from. Exempt citizens collecting a pay check to bully the rest of us.
Takes "when seconds count, the police are minutes away" to a whole other level.
When seconds count, the police will wait for an hour
"When seconds count, police will handcuff you and hold you down while your daughter dies."
And sometimes “When the police are minutes away, help is still an hour away.”
'When the police are within shouting distance, help is not coming.'
Thank god no cops got hurt
Blue lives matter!!!
We were on a bank shooting scene where my incident commander ordered me and two other officers to standby while hostages needed to be rescued. We just radioed what we were doing and went and did it anyway. That's an order I happily disobeyed. Thanks for the breakdown Donut.
I wish you were there that day. Obviously, it needed someone like you, and the two others you were with, to do what you do. It’s so incredibly sad. Thank you for being a good guy. 🌸
Bingo! This is why I believe those other officers were cowards too. They’re just hiding behind the coward chief now.
Really? Can you give the state and date where that happened?
@@knndyskful it actually happened at your moms house
@@sethanderson6327 😂 omg you’re so funny 🤣
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The cops could have watched this whole breakdown in the time it took to go into that classroom.
OH MY GOD
This 1 singular statement shows exactly how long they were waiting.
I could have cleared my entire workplace in that time.
Damn, someone call the cops. Shots fired! (Don't call Uvalde PD, though.) 😂😂😂
over 10 minutes waiting outside the classroom is genuinely insane
Currently a Deputy, we're taught direct to threat first thing. It's what we signed up for, what you mentally rehearse for, and what you hope never happens... but practice for. I'm embarrassed and ashamed of these first responders. These children deserved better.
Thank god no cops got hurt
Blue lives matter!!!
I can't see the two replies to your comment, RUclips gonna censor...
These cops want to make a great salary with great benefits while writing tickets and intimidating kids that throw house parties, not be heros.
@@clay5677 Yeah, I wonder what they said??? This recent censoring(showing us there are 3 comments (on a comment) but then only "letting us" see the ones they approve) is really weird and stupid.
Word.
What if your chief told you to stand down and arrest any citizens trying to salvage loved ones?. That's what happened
Chief was afraid to die, that was the holdup. Putting all the control in the hands of a coward is what the problem was here.
Yes so true
Does the commander in scene must go in himself?
@@advancedmonkey7702 in the case of a school shooting, yes. The lives of multiple children outweigh the value of any single adult, every time, you can't possibly make an argument that would change my mind.
@@armouredjester1622 No I am asking if the protocol states that the commander in scene must go in with the breach team. if not, the guy is just incompetent, not necessarily a coward.
@@advancedmonkey7702 A) incompetent and coward are not mutually exclusive, I would argue that for police these two go hand in hand B) I do not know or care about protocol in the case of a school shooting, regardless of what your boss says, you have a moral obligation to save the children whose lives are actively in danger. C) I have two reports from former LEO both civilian and military that first on scene is required to go in and attempt to neutralize. Not sure if accurate.
One thing that sticks out to me as a physician is by not confronting the shooter quickly the police not only caused more people to be shot but also almost certainly caused some of the wounded to bleed to death from wounds that would have been survivable had they received prompt medical attention. I heard two of the children died in the ambulance an hour after being shot ( obviously I cannot confirm this being true). The majority of people who die from gunshot wounds die from exsanguination ( bleeding to death) and the name of the game with gunshot wounds is getting the paitent to surgery ASAP. Thanks for all you do Donut.
What's worse it the kids who called out because the police told them too and we gunned down. Police literally got kids killed.
Yes! Every time they said casualties it pissed me off. They all didn't die instantly. Many of them suffered. Many of them stayed quiet even in pain and fear because that's what they know to do in that situation. Who knows how many were alive at 5 minutes in or 10 or 30 or even 45. So many could have been saved. So many. So many.
@@ShesSoHuggable why does it make you mad when he says casualties?
Poor kids watching their classmates bleed to death.
From a life-saving perspective yeah, go make the bad guy lay down (for the rest of his life) and get aid to those who need it. I would imagine EMTs, paramedics, etc. were chomping at the bit to get in there and help but were unable because of the slow LE response. Not only did this response almost certainly cost lives, but I don’t think it’s a stretch to say it likely emboldens future shooters. Instead of only getting a few minutes to do what they want, they might get an hour plus. They should expect and receive a swift lethal response every single time. We can’t afford to give these guys any encouragement.
In the academy they basically said, it doesn't matter if they are fully armored with fully automatics, you are basically a distraction, if you can't stop the threat, distract it at the very least. anything to stop the killing of innocent life.
"Nice" amount of like you got there.
Don't lose your head over it though.
@@The_Friendly_Fire tf wrong w/ you?
@@beebop478 a lot :D
@@The_Friendly_Fire nice 😄
@@The_Friendly_Fire same
This situation can't be justified. The children and teachers were defenseless and the police department had resources to end that much sooner. They have nothing to be proud of
*I think the shooter took a page from Donut's book back when he got swatted and called the police department in advance prior to the shooting*
@@JohnSmith09123 bro what are you saying🤦♂️ sped
Agreed. And all the after-the-fact lies and coverups are sickening. I feel like puking whenever I think of this situation.
First and foremost, doors that should have been locked to and from outsiders were unlocked do to complacency. Everyone working there is at least in some way responsible, there is no excuse. We must point out the painfull truth, if we are to learn from this terrible massacre.
@@zazenite6097 I wholeheartedly agree. I come from a law enforcement family. It breaks my heart to say anything negative about law enforcement. It began with laxed school and unprepared cops. Everybody shared in that tragedy.
Sounds like the "Chief" is totally incompetent and honestly should be fired/charged for his part in this.
Death penalty
It has been out there that the so called chief decision was not to take radio to be able to handle his weapons. Not sure on validity. Also reports are he was donating money to "Beto Os" go blue gun gun grab agenda. Again no validity but myself personally. The beginning of this is very telling that we have to be prepared to take care of each other and ourselves. No one is coming.
He’s promoted to city councilman
Freemas0ns
Or a perfectly competent tool
I like how your high tech recreation software says MS paint as a decoy to make people think that it’s low tech
It’s the backbone of photoshop paint mode.
“MicroSWAT” Paint😉😂
It's a clever cover up by the software engineers who designed it.
@@AleksanderLydkunst very clever. very clever
Its just to cover the Mark the CIA left to keep track of their property
The response by the police was absolutely embarrassing, The police with military gear paid for by taxpayers were turning away fathers armed with firearms trying to take out the shooter while their children were being shot so many times they were unable to be identified. 🤬🤬🤬the Uvalde police department and police chief should be very VERY scared of their citizens right now.
It was 1 vs 3 - 4. Thats basically robbing a gun store with customers.
Turning away?
No say it as it was. They attacked those parents. They used pepper spray and tazers, then handcuffed them and forced them to listen to their children being executed.
The police where willing to use more force against parents then they where against the shooter.
Their response was far more than embarrassing it was down right criminal. The officers deserve a prison cell in general population with a very large bootie bandit.
24 years in law enforcement and this hearing absolutely infuriates me….everything which could have done wrong was done on this situation…sad that so many souls had to pay the price to bring this all to light…
Normal people aren't surprised. The police behave like criminal cowards and ruin innocent lives every single day. It's just one aspect of institutional police corruption.
Amen brother.
It was like 13 kids relax, Texas is overpopulated anyway
I was an infantryman for 8 years in early to mid OEF/OIF and all I saw was zero violence of action.
They need to work on their crawl, walk, RUN
"listen, i'm a visual learner so y'all are going to be too" I love that donut can still make me chuckle even while breaking down such a horrific tragedy. Laughter is the best medicine.
I fully agree! Especially when it’s not in bad taste (unrelated to the event)
donut is precious.
haha i read this as he said it.
If you don't laugh about it you'll cry about it
*Donut scribbling barely legible stuff onto MS Paint*
"I am a visual learner."
Funnier than it had any right to be.
I can't stand Steven McCraw smacking his lips, I just can't listen to it, it grosses me out!
I thought you said "barely legal"
Had to double take
@@ShrimpTechStocks I laughed way more at that than I should have. 🤣
Lmfaoooo
I like that “MS Paint is a online remake” lol wonderful
I’m from Scotland, the last school shooting we had was in 1996 at Dunblane, so we don’t get incidents like this very often. We do have armed cops, Armed Response Officers, and whilst incidents like this don’t happen often, they are trained for it, that even if they’re by themselves they do what they can to protect innocent lives, so seeing what happened at Uvalde is blood boiling and rage inducing, I just cannot believe how poorly this was handled and the local enforcement let so many innocents lose their lives, it’s heartbreaking. The fact local law enforcement just stood by and let all that happen and didn’t even TRY is what gets me the most.
There's 11millionnnn armed invaders in your country.
The police have done nothing leading to a vvar
The French police outside the Bataclan did the same thing and that was just as infuriating, if not more so, because the adult victims inside also did nothing to preserve their own lives whereas these children were fully dependent on the police.
Attorney here, I am beyond disappointed in these officers. I am a huge supporter of law enforcement but these officers failed those children, each and every one of them.
I understand it’s a hard and stressful situation but you are a police officer, if you’re going to go into the occupation you are expected to be willing to put your life on the line to save others, especially children.
My father was in law enforcement for 32 years 15 of those as the chief of his department until his life was stolen while protecting a victim of domestic violence.
Admittedly, initially I was angry. I was mad my fathers life was stolen. I was acting as though I was the victim of a horrible crime in which claimed my fathers life but I was looking at it all wrong.
My father was not a victim, my father was a hero, a hero to the actual victim of domestic abuse in which he saved her life. As hard as it is for me to say, if my dad were given 100 chances to deal with the incident that took his life differently he would do the exact same thing 100 times over because he understood what he was and what his duty to the public was. He understood he entered this occupation to make a difference and save lives which is exactly what he did.
My father gave his life to save a women that was 23 years old. She was innocent, she was young, she was full of potential. I can happily say I am still in contact with her to this very day and she is a nurse saving life’s which she has told me on numerous occasions she devoted her time to go into an occupation to save lives to my father because she feels she owes that to him. It broke my heart seeing her and how guilty she felt for over 3 years until years of counseling has finally gotten her to realize he would have done that time and time again and all she can do is make use of her life and live it to the fullest extent.
Now I say to you, this was 1 women I father saved. 1 women that is a nurse that is currently obtaining her MD and has saved who knows how many lives.
There were 19 innocent children that lost their lives. What is the potential of 19 children? Those 19 children were on the other side of a door from these officers while they stood there and let them bleed out. Every police agency I know of has a policy on mass shootings, since the columbine shooting every single department I am aware of states the officers are to rush in as quickly as possible and neutralize the threat. Instead they sat outside a door for over an hour while the most innocent people we have to offer were bleeding, deceased, or watching their friends die. I am absolutely disgusted with the response of these officers.
I gave it time to give them the benefit of doubt for some bomb shell reason of why they didn’t enter that room and I waiting and waited and by day 3 you know what the answer for why the room wasn’t entered? Nothing. Not one damn reason. I’m not blaming officers for mass shootings, there is nothing they can do to prevent someone that is sick enough in the head to go shoot children but I am absolutely blaming them for their response. They are cowards. They are in law enforcement for the wrong reason. They never should have put a badge on.
Your dad died a hero. Sad that his life was taken too soon, but he was protecting a young lady, and it warms my heart that you still talk to her.
My thoughts are with you, Brock. And I thank him for his service, and saving lives, and her life that day. Stay safe out there.
Thank you for sharing your story 👍
Please, Please take pride in the fact that your dad was taken doing what he loved, saving lives and helping people!
Not sure if your religious, but if you are I'm sure you'll know he'll be getting pats on the back all round wherever he is.
Every one of those cops should have resigned in shame, and if not they should be fired.
Well said. I’m terribly sorry for your loss. Your father was a hero.
Hey Donut, not sure if you're aware, I'm watching this after the fact, but the chief DID have a radio; he said he left it in his car because he said he thought it would slow him down...his 150-lb gut probably slowed him down a bit more.
Chief was paid to let the school get shot.
Coming at this about as cold as you can be and still be aware that the event happened... but WTAF? The _man in charge_ said he didn't have a radio? That smells of gross negligence. The man deserves every cent of civil penalties headed his way.
Why would you EVER leave your radio behind? I’m not a cop, but come on. It’s legit common sense
I take my radio to the shitter, and I'm a C-130 mechanic
@@richardhanck972 civil penalties? F that I hope he rots in jail at minimum
Ill leave this here. That department had a active school shooter course 2 months before this incident. You can look it up yourself but they stated in the course that officers are required to run in and stop a shooter even if they are by themselves. The course also stated if they did not have the courage to go in by themselves they should seek a different career.
Wow really ?
Holy fuck, this is some absolute bullshit
Any source? This is actually mindblowing.
Can they face any criminal charges
@@blackcobra7055 no. officers are not required by law to actually protect anyone. supreme court has already decided on this.
the real question is, can they legally be fired for this? and the answer is certainly more open ended than the previous question
I am a metal worker in Switzerland and the first thing I see here is that although escape doors are installed at the main entrances, they can be locked with electronic locking systems, especially in US school buildings, but they can be opened at any time in the event of a fire from the inside. Example: When class starts at 9:00 a.m., all doors lock automatically and open again in the afternoon when school is over. However, the doors can be opened from the inside at any time, even in the event of a power failure (fire, etc.), with the escape door function. Every school should have that. In addition, the three panes next to the door and the glass in the door leaf must be made of laminated safety glass. It's not bulletproof, but you can't just shoot it up either. Because the glass itself consists of a fine aluminum frame sealed with butyl, containing an insulating gas such as argon, and on the outside of this frame there are at least two panes of glass laminated to each other with a transparent film. Bullet-proof panes are constructed in a similar way, except that they naturally have many thin glasses glued on top of each other. It is precisely such simple measures that would make the schools much more difficult to access "targets" and would certainly have prevented many rampages. Not all, but many... Such measures must still be carried out in front of armed teachers. This measure also offers the best cost-benefit ratio. Because, unfortunately, this also plays a role in decisions in poorer districts.
You're overthinking it. Remote lock is a waste of money compared to fire exit doors which stay locked unless opened from inside. Furthermore the doors must be made of metal, because glass doors are as stuoid as building a house out of straw or twigs
I watched a movie about a guy I knew back in high school who while unarmed rushed a gunman with an AK47 and stopped a mass shooting on a train in France… then the very next morning heard about a dozen armed and body armored police officers hiding outside a classroom for an hour during a mass shooting. Not even one of them had a fraction of the strength and courage of Spencer Stone.
I remember that movie quite well your friend is definately a hero
holy shit, I googled spencer stone and read the story... what an absolute badass. Not only did he neutralize the threat whilst getting stabbed/injured, he saved the life of another man who tried to stop the shooter as well but was shot in the process.
Absolute hero, he deserves to live worry free for the rest of his life
@@hosshandles I didn’t mean to say he was my friend, he’s a former classmate. We didn’t have any issue, we just had different circles.
@@Ivan.A.Churlyuski Too bad he got the shit kicked out of him by some jealous anti-white people in Sacramento.
That guy is a legend
I live in Uvalde, Donut I am not happy neither. Everyone in town is fuming mad in fact and the cops are getting on everyones nerves in turn, things are heating up all because of these evil negligent assholes.
My condolences for your community. I hope peace finds you soon.
Out of curiosity what’s happening to the chief? People in town giving him a hard time? What’s the situation?
@@chadkriegsman He's on the town council, using taxpayer resources to hide his bad self.
@Grunic Ozerda it beats how he should be treated!
They waited to get the kids!
It's beyond thought
id like your comment but it looks better at 69 likes
I did 26 years in LE and retired now. Every last one of those officers that stood in that hallway at minimum should be fired if they haven't resigned yet. How in God's creation can a full-grown man live with himself knowing what was happening to those children while he stood in that hallway armed to the teeth. Sickening!
JUST fired? You don't think there should be any LEGAL ramifications for this? Just as a former LEO I want your opinion. So if I failed at my job so catastrophically, I caused multiple children their lives, I shouldn't be help legally responsible despite the fact I COULD have made a difference? Genuinely asking not trying to antagonize.
Thank god no cops got hurt
Blue lives matter!!!
@@skepsisrollins1711 At the very least, after being fired, being held liable in a civil suit and NO PENTION or Union support.
18 months only here but I agree 100%, what they did goes against everything we're taught and raise our hands to do. Absolutely ridiculous.
Amen
Surprised the chief didn't wait for the armored car and the Esperanto translator to arrive. What a brave man for taking such risks.
The cops had body armor, the children did not. They had weapons, the children did not. They had training, the shooter had none.
That was a strong quote. There were a number of good ones from that guy.
That's the problem, we need to arm the masses
In fairness, it doesn’t take much training to sit with a gun pointed at a door and blast anyone who comes through it.
It’s still no excuse for the hesitance of the police to breach that room. It seems like even the cops at the scene are chafing from the order.
Absolutely disgusting.
The cops didn't know the shooters level of training. That's really never a consideration in their decision making.
If there is an active shooter, particularly in a school, you go and neutralise the threat ASAP. How could so many people agree that instead the police should just stand around twiddling their thumbs.
They didn't just twiddle their thumbs, they stopped the parents that were armed and ready to go in. The few officers with kids in the school went in and got theirs out. Way fucking worse.
@@holographicfrog1503 That is a fuuucking lie. Only one non local off duty cop went in on the other side of the building after the shooter got shot. Shame on you, bullshiter.
Yeah, this makes no sense, there would have been unliving cops all over the place if they tried to stop me from going in to get my kids .
@@holographicfrog1503 Ah yes let’s let in parents who are trigger happy with no promise of tactical training run into a guy with a rifle.
@@Bandito7537 if only there were multiple armed people trained in active shooting scenarios who could’ve saved the lives of children sitting outside the school
Chief was scared. Nothing else to say about it. What a disgrace. DO NOT let this man have his pension and charge him with negligence.
And charge him with 21 counts of homicide
I say charge him with 21 counts of accessory to murder
You know damn well he will retire with full pension before anything serious happens with him.
How about accessory to murder
Not just negligence. But also Derelection Of Duty and about 21 counts of accessory to murder.
DPS agent responded: “if there’s still kids inside, we just need to go in.” This man should have been in charge of this situation. He wanted to go in there.
Also the Ruiz officer, which wife was shot dead at the classroom, she was calling him on the phone that she's shot, he wanted to rushed there slone, but the Chief stopped him. What a asshole.
@@ubidragonrocksmith9719 I can’t imagine being in that man’s shoes. He wanted desperately to go but was stopped. Damn it.
@@ubidragonrocksmith9719 at least she’s not teaching her students how to be a trans drag queen anymore - saving the taxpayers her $70k teachers salary
Great coverage of this Donut. They really dropped the ball on this. I support the police but I'm not afraid to call them out when they are wrong.
Do you watch k-on?
Fk calling them out fire every one of the bastards and blacklist them from ever being a LE again.
@@firstname474 no way 💀💀
@Mr. Nishimoto that's what I wanted to say but lately my comments get reported every time I use "a bad word" lol but you are correct
@@Cmoney-2cd Tell that to Brandon Tatum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been a cop 25 years. Their actions were egregious!!! A couple friends and I sat and watched this video several times. One guy was from a neighboring agency, and a troopa. The one officer stated their general order states that they wait for 4 officers to arrive on scene, form a diamond and go in. WTF. But it's a larger agency and to have 4 officers on scene would be easy and fast. Where as the smaller agencies just go in, same as the deputies in the county and of course the troopa said the same. Straight in to the threat! This makes me sick to my stomach; the actions of this people (I refuse to call them officers).
Your damn right brotha! Thank you for the service!
@@Joe-oi6eh I'm not done. I'm still young. 💪🏽
@@bighx6099 Thank you for the service!
Screw the orders. You took an oath. Yes , you might not survive but so be it. That's why you signed up
@@rayhinojosa5248 easy cowboy get a snickers. We all agree here.
Breakdown starts at 4:22
Thank you 🙏
Thank you sir
King shit.🍻
Thank u u are one of the heroes in youtube we need
thx
“I am a visual learner, and you all are going to be too.” -Donut.
I appreciate the giggle. I was in tears the entire video. My daughter, she JUST turned 4, started pre-K a couple months ago. When I tell you I pace at work the entire time she’s gone…I’ve worn through a brand new pair of sneakers and I’m halfway through my second new pair. I would feel so much relief if there were armed veterans at the door, which should be the ONLY way in and ONLY way out. The experience veterans have, the gut feelings they would get, they would be invaluable. They ARE invaluable. I love you Donut! My brain is shit all the time. My depression has ahold of me and won’t let go. You make a huge difference in my quality of life. Retired or not, be safe. 🖤💙🖤
They would discriminate against minorities like most whites do
Imagine having all this cool guy high speed gear only to sit on your hands as a classroom full of kids gets slaughtered.
You would think they would want to get them dirty.
A bunch of airsoft kids with fake plastic crap would have been as, maybe even more, effective than the Uvalde police department. If your equipments real and you dont use it, its less useful than the fake shit people pretend with.
Two classrooms. Sadly they let two classrooms and their teachers get slaughtered...
I get what you're saying but based on the timeline all of the killing already happened before police were even on scene...
And just to be clear, I 100% agree they could have and should have breached MUCH earlier, I'm simply stating that it was a lose-lose situation by the time officers arrived on scene
that stuff is for the people who don't pay taxes
This hearing is the best preworkout known to man… never been more mad.
So I live in uvalde, and I work on the east side of town. I remember all the emergency first responders from every town in the vicinity rushing by. I can’t believe it’s taken us a month to learn any of this information about what’s happened.
This is criminal negligence on the part of the ‘chief’, and I’d wager that with the responding officers aswell. They needed to say ‘Fuck you, let’s go.’ and ignore the chief because he was obviously incompetent according to this analysis.
Instead they all pat themselves on the back for a job well done and the cheif gets a promotion onto the city council.
Yup that's the Uvalde justice right there.
No officers will face any repocussions to the criminal actions they committed that day.
But why has the public lost all respect for the police? Why would anyone call for departments like this to be defunded?
@@Bean5proutOMG he was promoted to City Council! Allegedly they didn't hold a ceremony for him out of respect for the parents and children - they should have pilloried his ass for the parents instead.
First thing I learned in ice rescue was that if there is life at risk and there is a boat locked up nearby, you cut the lock and use the boat, regardless of who's boat it is. "It is easier to ask for forgiveness than for permission". Rules go out the window when lives are at stake.
If the chief was holding officers back whilst not organizing a plan, he needs to be held accountable for the negligence.
Absolutely agree, i see alot of people pointing fingers at all the cops (with it being such a tragedy you can only expect that though) but i personally believe the real people that need to be punished are the people who hindered progress on that day, so the chief, and anyone else who delayed action. if what donut said is true and the oficers did want to go in but were stopped by their chief than the focus shouldnt be on those officers sitting there doing nothing, it should be on the dipshit that ordered them to do nothing. i honestly was hoping that there was a good reason that nothing happened that day and ive been waiting for donuts recap knowing he'll give an unbiased take on the whole thing with info from both sides of the argument aswell as his personal take based off his experiences, but after watching this it truly is sad to see that this whole thing was delayed by the least prepared chief in history. hes a leader he should be ready for this stuff at all times, but nope instead hes fumbling around looking for keys and a radio while kids are being shot and telling his officers to wait....
@@b3_op103 sure the chief too. but that doesnt make the cops innocent.
they put their jobs above the lives of children when its their job to not do that. any moral man would see this as a "whatever happens happens but im not the guy thats gonna do nothing" situation
@@b3_op103 No, they all need to be punished. All it would have taken is literally anyone who had a set of balls and a fuck you attitude and just directly disobey the chiefs orders. Inaction is compliance. And therefor they are all guilty.
The problem in the us is that cops aren't responsible for personal safety, they are responsible for public safety. If you are in custody then they are responsible for you since you are held there by the state. Those children weren't in custody so, legally in the usa their deaths can't be accounted to the police. Although their incompetence along with the lax gunlaws and bad mental health situation killed the kids
@@KingD-Trix don't agree. The law enforcement can't be full of wannabe heroes just because it fits the situation for once. LE needs to be structured as they carry a lot of responsibility with their equipment and thus a hierarchy needs to be put in place since the higher the rank, the more experience and more responsibility for their decisions. The higher ranks should know what is the best and should instruct the newer ones, if they screw up, it's on them.
If the officers disobeyed and screwed up (e.g. shot a kid, hurt one of them accidentally) people would still hate on them and they'd be in deep waters for disobeying orders too and well...good faith in what you're doing wouldn't help you either.
Something needs to come from all this. I still cannot believe how much time passed from time of officers being on sight until the suspect was engaged. Just goes to show what happens when you hire people who just sit and listen to orders rather than act
they never were engaged. it was a guy getting a haircut getting a text from his wife borrowing a barbers shotgun, going to the school and taking out the shooter himself that ended it
@@mondaysinsanity8193 1:04:05 "Five officers entered the room and fired rounds, killing the suspect."
@@firstconsul7286 nah pretty sure it was from the barber's shotgun
These cops have been collecting paychecks for years based on the expectation that they'd do something when needed. They didn't. I say they have defrauded the state, citizens and taxes. I know it's not possible, but it'd be funny if they had to give it back. Instead the schools, roads, etc will suffer when the state coffers have to pay out for the lawsuits.
NZ had one mass shooting and massively changed their gun policy. America has had countless mass shooting and continue to do nothing to battle this. There is no tyrannical government you need to protect yourself from, and the only reason you actually need a gun to begin with is because so many other people already have them. You wouldn't need a gun to defend yourself if there was no threat to begin with, let alone being able to purchase military style rifles with high capacity magazines at the 18+. The only tyranny Americans are facing are that of the extreme tyrannical minority that refuses to allow America to grow as a nation due to it infringing on their "right" and "freedom".
The Cheif needs to be charged with dereliction of duty and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law... Or leave him in a room with the parents who lost children!!! 😡
The peice of **** is an Accessory to Murder. Prosecute him as such. And investigate weather he was involved in the Planning and Perpetration of this, as they had the Shooter in Custody Multiple Times prior.
The room idea is Pay Per View idea
Go look for where dereliction of duty is a law outside the military and get back to us. Worst case he gets fired. Amazing how stupid people are and yet they still get a vote.
He's a Beto O'Rourke donor, he wants gun control.
@@leeweesquee all proceeds go to charities for the shooting
youtube: we cant advertise content like this and therefore have to remove your ad revenue. youtube running ads in the video anyways:
The protocol in Missouri after Columbine goes like this: If there is an active shooter IN A SCHOOL, you go in. No body armor, no rifle, no backup, doesn't matter, you go in NOW! It's pretty unambiguous. You stop the school shooter or die trying. PERIOD. Doesn't work for you, get a different job. Law enforcement has lots of opportunities where you'll never be near a school.
Law enforcement has opportunities for cowards?... you make a good point law enforcement has no duty to protect.
@@thehappyclam3942 I'm pretty sure he means you can get some desk job like admin or something. It's clear you're not happy with the police, and that's understandable, but chill.
Thats taught nation wide these days
@@mitchellsayshi admin or something isn't law enforcement.
bro you wonder why there is a lack of cops like that? nobody has a deathwish. the police dont hire you if you are suicidal
i cant believe no one just said "we didnt hear that" and just went in... We are trained for single officer response for a reason. I cant believe anyone listened to the Chief's hold for that long. Espeically if youre from another agency.
Especially when the radios did not work in the school.
They hire people that follow orders without question.
Ya my parents and I talked about that. Not ONE officer disobeyed orders to save those kids? I know it’s easier to say things like this when you aren’t there, BUT I KNOW I would run into that school unarmed to try and save those kids. I wouldn’t wait for orders. But orders are orders
An officer tried and they disarmed him
Buck orders and go in we are their only defense
Uvalde Police tactics must be “wait until the shooter runs out of ammo before going inside”
or until guys gun malfunctions
or trigger finger gets tired
or got bored and stops and go home
they watched the movie "speed" and took the line, "shoot the hostage" to the next level.
"how should we handle this cheif?"
"wait until he kills all the hostages and then shoot him, it's a perfect plan"
Guy checking his phone was the husband of one of the teachers who died. Was checking for her texts. He attempted to go in early and was disarmed
He gave his gun to his mate willingly.
He will have to live with his cowardice for the rest of his life. But he had the chance to save his wife and decided not to. My sympathy is for the parents outside who tried to go in and save their children but where attacked by officers like the guy checking his phone.
The guilt phone cop has is nothing compared to the hate those parents will have to live with for the rest of their lives. Knowing they could have saved their children but where prevented by people who should have been saving the children but instead chose to help the shooter and attack the parent's.
This guy has a rifle, we only have pistols.....
Those kids had fucking crayons!
Some people want to just take pictures in their gear. Fake tough guys.
Those "pistols" look an awful lot like "Assault Rifles" and "Military Body Armor" on my screen. Must be some kind of glitch or something I guess. 🤔
Pistols are accurate for over 200 yards (lethal for much farther), how much distance did the chief think the shooter was going to have if the police go after?
@@OmniscientWarrior Not defending *anything* the cops did but, while they are accurate and deadly out that far, you'd be hard pressed to find someone who could take advantage of that accuracy at even 100 meters.
@@literalantifaterrorist4673 That is still a lot of distance for indoors, where the shooter was
People need to appreciate this state-of-the-art-high-quality-software given to Donut by the FBI-CIA and stop complaining. No other RUclipsr has these kind of tools!
@Repent and believe in Jesus Christ want him to break that down on his software?
The author, of course!
I think NASA was involved as well
And You got your info from where?
So glad Donut became a whistleblower against the US govt. to show us this technology. With the wrong hands, this could be highly dangerous software, but I trust Donut with this software more than anyone else
When he says that “he couldve gotten in even if the door wasn’t locked because the glass didn’t have wire mesh in it” (paraphrased) (1:07:40) he is mistaken regarding the purpose of the “mesh”. The wire mesh that they put in glass on doors and some interior windows is strictly for fire protection. That mesh adds no practical strength and doesn’t contribute to the security whatsoever. It helps distribute heat evenly in the glass in the case of a fire (differential heating causes glass to expand unevenly and shatter) and to help hold it the pane together if it breaks due to fire. The wire that grid is made out of is so thin that you can literally rip through it with your bare hands. It is far weaker than the glass it’s embedded in. Anything “tool” capable of breaking glass can push or pull the wire out as if it isn’t there.
He also said it is plenty removable, but the shatterproofing helps prevent reaching im
@@valkyriesurvives5109 can attest, buddy in school "reached in" once. Aka, slammed his hand so hard into the door that his whole arm went through up to the elbow.
Something new I learned, thanks for that!
pretty sure theres Windows. they are kinda like doors but smaller
@@rocketsmall4547 or bigger sometimes.
Whilst I appreciate both the livestreams AND the regular breakdowns, I find it easier to follow the regular breakdowns. Is there a chance you will do another one of these, but minus all the live shenanigans? Only reason I ask, is that I feel your perspective should be shared widely, but the livestream format is not as clear and concise. Thanks Donut, love you, love what you do.
agreed!
Agreed
I absolutely agree
Your honesty and willing to call out bad cops where they need to be called out is what makes your channel heads and shoulders above anyone else especially officer Tatum's channel
You are 100% correct on that! And occifer Tatum said he had “inside information” or an “inside contact”, so you know that means he’s just gonna double down on his cop loving. Instead of telling the truth
Officer Tatum be sounds crazy and like a damn conspiracy theorist these days. Used to watch him all the time but haven’t watched him in at least a year
He's definitely biased towards the blue line.
*your honesty NOT you’re honesty
@@kyzyl4915 "officer tatum be sounds crazy"
"the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun.....
is 17 good guys with, 4 long-guns, two ballistic shields, 17 service pistols, a halligan bar, and an hour and twelve minutes of waiting..."
“And then an off duty border patrol agent with sandals on and his service pistol coming in to actually do the job”
4 ballistic shields...
Their actions would prove that they aren't "Good guys" with guns...
VHP Trooper Rodney Farva would’ve went in as soon as it came over the radio
@@Maverekt That is fake, the off duty border control guy didn't enter the building.
For those playing at home, the soon to be former chief is now a city councilman. I wonder how the first meeting went? Oh kicked parents and press out of the meeting is how it went.
You've got to be fucking kidding me. How is this guy allowed to hold a job?
*Why? It is clear he was just following procedure, and the shooter clearly took a page from Donut's book back when he had been swatted and called the police department in advance, prior to the shooting. That is probably why they didn't go into the building. Surprised they even showed up at all, and not just call the shooter after they had gotten the first report of shots being fired*
@@SirBladewind Sorry, I misapoke not former, not yet. He was placed on administrative leave from police yesterday. He also allegedly begged off having to attend council meetings.
Why does it matter? Current scuttlebutt is the "hold" order came directly from him.
@@JohnSmith09123 bro you are just spouting some random shit to random comments🤣 what are you trying to say
@@JohnSmith09123 >shooter called police department prior to shooting
source? citation?
Because the police were in pursuit of him up until he entered the building. So how does it matter if he called them prior to the shooting or not? The police were on the scene when he entered the schoolroom. There's no reason to not pursue the armed shooter who by that point had already shot at people into the school.
Boy, this episode really stomped out what little reputation law enforcement had in this country. People all but actively hate the police at this point and the good ones are getting dragged right along for the ride.
Which makes no fucking sense unfortunately it really dose suck that the incompetence of the commander and some of the officers is what people will be think with ALL officers beyond disrespectful
Wild exaggeration. Police are widely supported despite the media crafted perception. A small Mexican border town of Hispanic cops represents nothing about Texas police much less the rest of the country.
@@p.p.8624 boy you are really grasping at straws with this fantasy aren’t you??
@@Jiu-Jitsu-Robot be specific bro. Everything I said is true.
@@p.p.8624 well the country is damn near on the verge of defunding the police. So there’s that dude. There’s no way in hell you aren’t a cop being this out of touch.
My condolences to all family’s affected , I hope you find peace
FF- ALL AN ILLUSION
@@that1electrician take your meds
They won't ind peace but they will find a gun store to buy an ARMALITE for protection like most of us have. So they vcan protect themselves. Cause now they know. no one is coming to help you!!!!!!!!
I hope they find ‘peaces’ of the chief along the highway
One of the teachers who died, her husband died too, of a heart attack, after finding out his wife was dead. It’s so bloody sad.
This is simple to me. Do you think you can risk your life for another? “Yes” great be a police officer. “No” great be a security guard.
Not even, Security may have less training but the expectation is the same. Armed or not, DO SOMETHING. If you don't have the ability to take action, don't involve yourself in a public service position.
I was security for Gaylord national hotel for magfest conventions; chief of security was Ethan E'toole. Doesn't matter if my contract didn't state it; I personally made it my mission if need be, save as many people if such an event went down.
Preserve life to the best of my ability by using as much necessary force as the situation requires.
However, we constantly had to remind ourselves "We are not cops".
Regardless, we would do our utmost to make sure everyone came in safe and happy, and left the same way.
Bless you all in any form of public service, health and security. Hope you're all well.
@@codyjr9427 as a public security officer I feel the need to explain that this is a really bad idea to force upon a generalized group of “security guards.”
There are a lot of laws and regulations that go into the training of security officers and each state has different requirements. But most states have security guard programs that specifically state that guard responsibilities lie on the contracts they take.
For example, my contract as a public security officer, states that I am a professional witness. I may not involve myself unless commanded by an officer to assist him, or in self defense of myself.
Bear in mind I did not state “in defense of a third party” because my contract does not allow it. Violating contract makes me liable for anything that happens outside that contract.
Now that doesn’t mean that I haven’t stepped in a broken up a fight with words or simply my presence breaking a fight up. But at the end of the day, I call police. I witness crimes and report them accurately. Sometimes my presence prevents a crime because someone feels that they’ll be caught by me, but when it doesn’t prevent crime, I sure as hell witness it and report it accurately and immediately. I have a police radio to call in crimes as they’re happening. But to get involved is not a common responsibility for security guards. Even armed guards.
@@Mikcha212 Good _lord,_ you've got one hell of a dry gig. 😴 I'm sorry to hear that.
But police have no legal obligation to help anyone. That’s a world I wish I lived in, but the legal reality makes tragedies like this happen over and over again.
If this is demonetized for you, they sure didn’t mind throwing ads in the vod for themselves.
Yeah lmao I was confused by that
YT lives for rules for thee but not for me.
They people who run RUclips are scumbags.
Absolutely right. Unless it’s in the terms and conditions it sounds like a lawsuit
Adblock :) Fuck RUclips
The fact that the OFFICER’S WIFE was in that classroom, and he didn’t run in there to get rid of the shooter is insane
if I recalled right, others held him back
It's the officers safety 🤡🇺🇲
The police literally guarded the shooter from parents while he slaughtered their offspring
No, they stopped the parents from running in and getting themselves killed, that doesn't mean the officers did the right thing INSIDE the building, but keeping parents from getting shot is a good move. You're doing the same shit major media outlets do, completely twisting the situation to make it seem like some sort of unforgivable evil. Imagine if a bunch of parents did rush in, multiple get shot, now not only do you have parents who lost children, you also have children who lost parents because their parents decided to rush towards an active shooter. Use your brain.
I have no idea how no parent killed the cops. If its been 30 minutes I’d ram the line myself. Jesus.
@@AzayBae amen brother
That's exactly it
I wish I could say this statement was a over exaggeration. but that's literally what happened
They had everything you could want in an active shooter situation, except the one thing that mattered.
Officer on scene? Check.
Backup? Check.
Armed with more than a pistol? Check.
Body armor? Check.
Suspect location known? Check.
A competent commander? ...
The chief was an idiot. I have no doubt that the chief's presence was a detriment that cost those children and teachers their lives.
S*** you would think they would have had the balls to strap up and go in even if the commanders said not to I mean who looks in her little kids be murdered oh wait this Police department
Its far more than just the chief. Every single officer there has the death of those kids and teachers on their hands. The officers who handcuffed parents while doing nothing to stop the slaughter going on mere feet away. The officers who stopped and threatened the funeral director (or whatever he was) from going after the POS with his gun after he got shot at before he got to the school. The officers who stopped, handcuffed, and took away the gun of the off duty officer rushing to save his wife after he got a message from her saying she was shot and dying (she was one of the teachers who was killed...I cant imagine the pain and unbridled rage that man is suffering with now). Every.last.one of those cops is guilty and every last one deserves to be charged with criminal charges. I normally would never say this about anyone, but I hope none of them can sleep at night for the rest of their lives and are haunted by what they allowed to happen...because the family of all those murdered are going to have to live with this horror for the rest of theirs, especially those who were held back while listening to the shots that killed their babies...it makes my blood boil and they cannot get away with this
Question... why the fuck did they listen to his orders? They stood there. Listened to the kids dying... and... stood there.
It wasnt just the cowars chief. They were ALL cowards.
Failing on literally every level. From dispatch all the way the the chief.
@Jacob King literally
@Jacob King you’re literally asking for this
Intentional incompetence
They literally don't know. ;)
@Jacob King I mean... They didn't *figuratively* fail on every level? they *literally* did, So... He's right, but keep going.
I said it on the Next News Network's video and I'll say it here;
The fact that the Uvalde police have stopped working with the Texas department of Public Safety and even went as far to bar them from further investigation should be a wake up call that something more sinister is at work here.
They are also harassing the families that have gone public with their outrage. Sick twisted pos department, the entire building needs a thorough investigation and review. I bet that there's book cooking and stuff there. No way you harassing victims families after YOUR FAILURE!!!!!
Small town I guess? It's strange all around. More than one official said the shooter's family were great people, which is an outright lie. Strange people and situation.
Fire all .grap the evidence before it is destroyed.
"If this is the level of protection I’m guaranteed by my government, then Im never giving up my guns"-unknown.
I agree 100%
I love how the chat manifested themselves in the courtroom to make the man speak up. Well done chat.
I love how the "high tech crime recreation software from the fbi cia nsa etc" joke honestly never gets old and makes me chuckle every time. Lol
It's good to lighten things up, even while discussing such a tragic attack
Hey it’s military grade, it’s no laughing matter
Cowardice begets cowardice.
Bravery inspires bravery.
This chief needs to face some kind of repercussion for his inability to act under pressure.
Nah the parents where brave yet the police cowardice decided to attack the parents for being brave.
All officers who helped or watched officers pepper spraying and tazing the parents need to also face charges.
when seconds count, the police are 74 minuts away and compleatly incompetent... thank you so much to the Border Sec for disregarding orders and going in. ❤
Sadly, he will be the only Officer to be punished because he DIDN’T FOLLOW ORDERS
more like 25 feet away. They advertise this, everything is bigger in Texas, especially response times.
I believe that his wife is a teacher there and they have children there as well... No way he wasn't going in.
Damn that what was really hard to watch , the thought of knowing that so many lives could have been saved if they acted sooner is just heart breaking
Not only that, they failed in literally every step of preventing this atrocity. The feds had eyes on him prior to this, he had charges that shouldve rendered him unable to buy the guns, all of the steps to end it after he had started shooting failed. This reeks of F A L S E F L A G
Not sooner, but if they'd acted at all
You know what I find admirable about Donut. He absolutely knows his videos will most likely be de monetized. Yet, instead of trying to be super politically correct and soften the facts he still gives the raw video knowing he won't make as much cash off it. Good on you Donut. Good on you.
Probably because he has people donating $100 to him 😂
Also, why would you want to monetize the murder of children?
@@quemzzy7397 because it helps to keep the channel going to show what kind of wild life is out there, amidst our society, and this doesnt happen again.
@@carlitosskater89 People are too God damned coddled and need a harsh dose of reality. But that's exactly why they won't show them uncut footage. It would scare them into thinking straight.
It's still monetized
A reminder the governor of Texas was fighting the rights for the video not to be release because he was “appreciating” how the police officer settled the issue
Going through this whole thing, it really boils down to the chief being an absolute coward, and doing literally anything other than being a man and to take on the active shooter. He valued his own life over the lives of innocent children, and to me, he should face charges. (I understand that officers can, and have, disobeyed similar orders. But it shouldn't even come to that point where it's on the officers to make that call, even tho they made the wrong one, hence the "it really boils down to the chief", everything after that is just a result of his/their decisions or lack there of.)
The officers just as cowardly for not disobeying direct orders to save the kids.
And people wonder how pre Nazi Germany got Nazified. ( In the aspect of people following orders, even if they know the orders are wrong. )
@@elderkyst2386 well a disturbingly large portion of the German police did willingly participated in the early Holocaust, known perfectly well what they were doing was wrong.
@@jordanstewart2455 That's my point.
When people ask " How did things in Germany get that bad?!?"
I will point at Uvulde officers and the riots.
all pigs are cowards
My heart is heavy watching this. When everyone immediately blamed police, I stuck up for them and said " wait for a report before forming your lynch mob, We don't know all the details and we cannot ignorantly blame anyone. These are complex matters." Ita hard to deal with the truth here. That it looks like incompetence, inexperience and cowardice within the leadership, played a critical role to this outcome.
How long did we have to wait? We knew day 1 how long it took them to go in the class. That in itself goes against school shooting protocol.
The officer is to go in immediately, even without backup.
The protocol is, as soon as you determine there is an active shooter you don't wait for anyone. You enter and move to neutralize and it may be at your peril it'd be great if you had some help - but I can assure you those kids need help more than you need help
"That doctrine requires officers - we don't care what agency you're from, you don't have to have a leader on the scene - every officer lines up, stacks up, goes and finds where those rounds are being fired at, and keeps shooting until the subject is dead. Period," Texas Department of Public Safety Director Steve McCraw
I struggle with that but ya I always try to remember that people are innocent until proven guilty. Some times it’s easy to jump to conclusions. Seems though that ya the police failed the community and the school
@@aaronfox5559 sorry but no. Police need to be under equivalent of UCMJ for military uniformed services.
@@EmpReb cops are civilians and should be treated as such. This also means no exemptions around guns and weapons they may legally possess.
"You do what you can or die trying" is the best statement a 1st responder should make in these situations. They volunteered to be either a hero or a martyr, depending on the outcome.
they didn't even volunteer. they're getting paid.
@@DaarthPingas nobody forced them into that profession, they chose it
@@daviddrury6451 Yes but they’re getting paid- all the more reason to do so, is what I think he’s saying
@@IanBLacy thats exactly what im saying. you dont get to be called a hero just for being a cop unless you do something heroic. the term hero alone is a dangerous to use recklessly in nearly any capacity to describe a person unless their actions seriously warrant it.
@@DaarthPingas do you feel the same about members of the military? It's the same thing. They get paid to put themselves in dangerous situations. It's the job they signed up for, knowing the risks, under their own volition. This is America, nobody is forcing these people into these professions
Being a peace officer in Central California it’s sad to say the Uvalde Police Department fucked up that bad. A critical incident of that magnitude is not about training, incompetent supervisors, or department policy but about to do what you signed up for which is to protect as many lives as possible ASAP.
Amen.
This really is a comprehensive showcase of how to do everything wrong.
I'm more willing to forgive the dispatchers because if you've ever seen a 911 office when something like this is going on, it's absolute hell. Small town like Uvalde might have 2-4 dispatchers and they have to listen to, communicate with, and decipher a shit show like this as it happens. It's a dozen or more voices all at once. I can only imagine having to hear the sounds of children literally dying in my ear while having to deal with screaming cops on the radio and the parents calling in because the police are stopping them from getting in and doing something. ALL of that shit goes through that office to be recorded and documented meticulously.
If your boots are on the ground though and you're literally a stones throw from where this is happening and you DON'T do anything, that's unacceptable and you're going to live with that for the rest of your life.
All those cops need to serve a life sentence for every child dead. #fuck12
I was a 911 dispatch in a town the size of Uvalde, we had 1 dispatcher for any given 8 hour period.
They better.
It'd certainly make me sleep better at night knowing that if our justice department won't punish them, at least God is.
@@ea5yliver god doesn't exist so you better hope the justice department punishes them or they get away with it.
@@Fuhrious It probably depends on volume and jurisdiction then. I'm a dispatcher in a town smaller than Uvalde and we always have at least two. I knew it wouldn't have been more than four though.
Its sickening knowing that cops were literally feet away while little children were dying 😔. My heart goes out to all the families that lost someone that day.
They pulled officers to hold parents back? Those parents are willing to run into the fire but these cops are having a fuckin’ picnic in the hallway. Don’t worry about the parents go neutralize the subject like you’re trained to do!!!
@Andy J Can't -
Now you got people running in who could end up getting shot or killed, or worse, you got a parent who's gone in with a gun and mistakenly shoot a child, parent, the police, or the police mistakes them for the shooter (they have a gun in their hand), and not you have a victim who did not need to be one. funny how the media and the attorneys would have a field day with that.
@@thespadestable You can make a million excuses for _not_ doing anything. But you only need one good reason for going in: children were dying.
@@thespadestable "and mistakenly shoot a child, parent, or the police."
Well they couldn't shoot the police because they didn't go in there so you can scratch that off your list. You have a lot of "what ifs" but what if a parent went in there and shot the mass murderer and thus prevented the deaths of more children and teachers? Hm, funny how you never considered that. I wonder how your brain works.
Just because you need to hear it again, the police stood there for OVER AN HOUR doing nothing, well that's not entirely true, they detained some parents. I'm sure at least 99% of those parents out there would have given their life to stop it from happening, they would die happily knowing they tried to save the life of their and other children, that's how a parent's mind works and it's how I know you're not a parent (but in the off chance you are, I feel sorry for your kids).
@@Death-999 -
"and mistakenly shoot a child, parent, or the police."
And that's what I love about selective outrage, because when pressed into corner, it shows its inconsistency. Parent runs in, gets shot, killed, taken as a hostage, shoots a student or staff member, the first thing people like you would say is that the police did not properly secure the building, and why did they just allow an untrained person just run into the building, to include, because of their lack of attention, they could had allowed a second shooter to go in and assist the first shooter.
Lastly, just like a fire. The objective is to get people out if you can, not allow people to run in, because now you have an extra person to save. The police not going in is after the fact, not during real time.
@@thespadestable - If the police that the citizens allow to enforce the law and protect them do not enforce the law and protect them then the citizens will do it themselves!
Literally every single one of them needs to be fired. The fact there hasn't been any of that is simply mind blowing to me.
The cheif was given a promotion. He now heads the city council.... So yeah there won't be any police accountability for their actions at Uvalde.
I wonder why people don't trust or respect the police anymore?
2:24
Gotta love the ol' reliable crime recreation tool, given specifically to you by the CIATFBIRS. Very generous of them :)
I remember that at my elementary school back in 2005 we had metal doors with metal mesh over all the windows and everytime we had a lock down the on campus security along with a few teachers would walk around and make sure all the doors and gates were locked from the outside.
Lock downs were taken super fucking seriously back then at least.
Its really wacky that 17 years later there are schools that are less secure than where i went as a kid.
A horrible tragedy.
So much time later with schools less secure meanwhile events like these have been on the rise
Where did you go to school? Compton??? Harlem? Detroit?
@@sparkynate91 Just a nice kinda middle classish public school in a cute little neighborhood.
I have to admit the amount that they cared about our security was probably an outlier in comparison to most schools at the time and even now it seems.
There would be times when there was a reported shooting miles and miles away and theyd still insist on a lockdown until it was absolutely certain we were safe.
Happened at least once every two months along with regular drills.
I remember the principal was very strict about that kinda stuff. Probably because her own kid went to school there.
She was british aswell. Maybe she cared so much because she was terrified of big scary america and all of its guns, but even then im not sure how much power a principle has over that kinda stuff and maybe it went even higher up when it came to that districts paranoia of any danger.
But back then and especially now id consider how that school ran to be the bare minimum.
@@MrSomeDonkus A drill every two months is a lot, I don't live in America so the only drills I had at school were fire drills and we only had that once a year (and we did have a fire once). This might be a hot take but perhaps doing active shooter drills gives students the idea that being an active shooter is an option. I know practising something is a good way to make sure people know what to do in a real situation, but the drills and the constant talk about school shootings can give these people ideas. I also think students need to be taught that school isn't the world, to them it seems like it is, but once school is over the real world unlocks, as if you've just finished the tutorial level and the rest of the map is now available. Once they realise the person that's bullying them will never be apart of their life after schools over, they might not have to consider murder as a solution.
That's like my highschool, you have to be buzzed into the lobby then buzzed into the office or rest of the building. If you were a shooter you would be stuck inside the lobby with steel doors and bulletproof glass, with 0 escape
“That’s one of those orders that you have to just say GFYS chief.”
Exactly. Fffing exactly. If they were still hearing shots which meant almost certainly that people were still dying that entire stupidly long time, they should have said GFYS and kicked down the door, even if they were stark a#% naked armed only with pistols. It just adds insult to injury that they were waiting outside fully kitted out with carbines and body armor 😡 makes me sick.
Exactly it wouldn't matter if the shooter was just firing rounds at a wall 1 shot equals 1 life lost in my mind
I know, right? Even if you're a lone officer with just a pistol, get the fuck in there and distract the shooter and try to prevent him from hurting anyone else until backup arrives. Even that would be better than standing around outside doing nothing.
The only breakdown is that each and every one of them were and are, cowards.And anyone practicing apologetics for them, is a coward too.
NGL this was more of a listen in more than a break down. I'm happy you put this up or I would have missed it. Thanks for the break listen in though donut.
Having listened to the dispatch audio from the Virginia Beach Municipal Center shooting (my hometown) numerous times, the first officer to enter the building was going in within 2 minutes of the dispatch being put out, and he was alone. Following him within 2 minutes were plain clothes detectives, several K-9 units, and additional officers, some from special operations. THAT is how a response should be. Get in quick, locate and isolate the shooter, and have additional units coming in behind sweep for victims and survivors.
Calling it an abject failure is the perfect way to start it off. That's exactly what it was.
It’s not failure when everything went exactly how they wanted.
incompetence doesn't cover it any more with what we know
Failure? They did exactly what they were paid to do, paid by the dems that is.
@@stevestiffler9120 sped
@@stevestiffler9120 police chief was a Beto boi
Currently a LEO we had training literally right after this. We went to our local school, my captain criticized Uvalde PD, which we all agree with. The rumor is they didn’t have equipment for the situation. At minimum every LEO is issued a vest, firearm, extra mags and some type of training, that’s all you need. Uvalde PD must’ve forgot to issue the LEOs courage.
No amount of training can prepare you for real world situations such as this, being shot at is an experience in itself.
@@smittysmith4828 it won’t. Training isn’t necessary for courage and common sense. There’s an active shooter actively killing kids, it’s been well over an hour and you have numbers.
@@smittysmith4828 are you actually defending them
@@Misha-dr9rh certain aspects of it yes, people forget they're human, not perfect by any means.
Would you have helped your fellow officers taze and pepper spray parents then handcuff them and force them to listen to their children being executed?
Because that entire department did. And they all represent you with their uniform... Non of them thought it was a bad idea to assist the shooter by eliminating all threats to him.
The school resource officer might be responsible for multiple campuses which would explain why he wasn't there from the beginning. At the school I graduated from, out resource officer was responsible for 1 high school, 1 middle school and 3 different elementary schools which were multiple miles away from each other.
That’s rough. I know there are rural places where it’s nearly impossible to have one at each school but that’s a shame.
School cops.. are they there to protect the kids or for early recruitment into institutionalization into "the system"
@@danielescobar7618 whut
@@Moggymorgenstein cuffing kids, juvenile detention center internments, etc, for what used to be after school detention or iss, etc. Google candy selling bust by school resource officer in school, or child tazered
@@danielescobar7618 tf are you even trying to say
Thank you for taking the time to cover this, Donut. I appreciate the in site you had.
For context: after hearing about this, my 10 YEAR OLD BROTHER, within about 15 seconds, had said "why not crossfire him through the window? You know he's shooting the door so he's not looking that way!"
My little brother, whose best tactical knowledge is from playing halo with our friends, came up with a better tactic than this chief, (and my math isn't exact) over 720 times faster.
To be fair it’s easy to think things like that sitting at home vs actually being in the situation
I worked at many different schools, it's not easy to go in and find anything tbh. There's 25 or so windows with glare and crap taped and shades are typically drawn ESPECIALLY in a lock down.
It's possible that cross fire situation could work, but there are definitely MANY variables people don't think about when imagining real life threats.
I also thought about how most windows are higher up to prevent theft, so you are more often shoulder height looking into the building, if it's older than like 1960 then maybe not, but most the ones I worked at it wasn't easy to just peak in to classrooms from the outside like a house or office building.
@@kaugh sure it's better to beat up parents than save kids
And That's How Officer Y EV Shot Up A Room Full Of Children, Solid Job Officer Y EV. At Least You Hit The Shooter
@Paul Martin lol, I reached for my phone to call 911 but accidentally grabbed my .45. I didn't mean to do it!
As a person who is still in school for another year I hope beyond hope that I never have to experience the terror that those poor kids had to feel and the pain their loved ones must still be feeling.
Some lunatic in my area attempted a mass shooting at my highschool the year after I graduated. Ended up killing two people too early and everyone on the floor got their doors locked in time so he just shot through the walls. By then like two cops already breaking into the building because they were two blocks away when it started. Shooter heard them breaking in and blew his brains out. The gun free zone sign didn't do anything to stop that. Only left everyone defensless, stuck waiting hoping the police were doing something. Luckily unlike uvalde, they actually were. Just breaking into the building was enough to get that guy to suicide
@@TheAnnoyingBoss that’s crazy to think about man… luckily the cops got the guy before he could do more damage. Not saying 2 people is nothing but it’s way better than 20 or whatever Uvalde is at now
Bummed I missed your live , love how you break things down
Donut , I just wanted to share . I was subbed to Officer Tatum's channel for over a year and after the shooting I wanted to get his opinion . During his review he immediately got defensive for all the police officers and told all of his viewers to stop criticizing them because we were not there . He said that none of the officers did anything wrong and If we didn't agree we could unsubscribe . That is exactly what I did . I had a lot of respect for Tatum but being told I was wrong if I didn't agree with him rubbed me the wrong way . Thank you for being open minded .
@officertatum @thetatumreport messed up.
I haven't unsubbed but him taking it personal and telling people to leave or calling people cowards if they haven't been law enforcement is shameful.
Some people want to be a doctor or a preacher, they grow up dreaming of being a veterinarian. That doesn't make them a coward.
@@Man-vs-Metal doesn't sound like he deserves your subscription. There are other cop run channels for you to get perspective from. Tatum sounds disrespectful
Ease up on Tatum. I have always thought him pretty even handed up to this point. This was a horrific even and everyone’s emotions are up. Add to that the fact that everyone in mainstream media has been shytting on cops for over two years with the blessings of the ruling politicos. We all come from different experiences. I suspect what Tatum intended to say was “dont jump to conclusions and wait for the investigation to flesh out the facts. Since none of us was there it is not our place to try and convict these officers in the media.” I suspect his emotional response over ruled his tact on that day.
I have done the same. I used to really respect tatum but hes lost it and my subscription after saying these officers did nothing wrong and actually did good things. The completely dropped the ball on this just like the officers in parkland. You can blame the police on scene for this failure and still have overall support for police but tatum cant see that and its disappointing.
As a teacher I am fuming… the chief failed these kids.
The only ones who acted to save those kids were those teachers. Thank you for what you do.
As a teacher, you should be advocating and petitioning for teachers to be able to carry in schools! Because to a crazy person who just wants to kill, a "gun free zone" sign looks more like a "you can kill many people here come on in" sign!!! It is time to get teachers armed IF THEY WANT TO BE ARMED AND ARE TRAINED WITH FIREARMS!
The teachers were the ones that left the door open so the guy could walk right in.
Hope he's convicted
Our society has failed them and all others, including everyone now since they still haven’t done anything to make them any safer and just keep debating about guns.
Until schools are secured properly and there are teachers or armed guards of some kind then the kids are being failed and left to be soft targets.
It seems like they went out of their way to make sure that shooter could kill as many people as possible. God it's just heart wrenching
Hey man as sad as it is at least he never made it into another classroom or the death wouldve been up there towards 50 because no one in the schools can do anything except sit like defensless fish in a barrel
I'll gladly accept the "thanks Spencer" towards the beginning of the video, knowing it isn't me, but imagining it is lol
20 bucks says the officers who didn't step up own multiple pieces of the punisher themed merchandise
Im glad im not the only one who makes fun of that shit i support the police but its cringey to see that as a punisher fan especially since most of them would be killed by the punisher had he been real
The whole key thing was also very interesting. The last thing stopping me on that lock would be to check if someone is behind it before I shotgun it open
They had a Halagen bar. It's literally designed to pop open doors by fireman. They could have entered if they tried, but they didn't.
@@ThePyroWaffles that’s just not true. If it’s wood, you’ll be able to shoot it out with one to two blasts
@@ThePyroWaffles You are missing the point and clearly didn't watch the presenation or the video. The door to the classroom was not able to lock. The teacher or the shooter would not have the ability to lock it so it doesn't matter about what can open locks or not. Moreso, the classroom had multiple windows that as donut points out, could have and should have been used tacitcally. How does that boot taste? Bloody?
@@ThePyroWaffles not a 12 gauge breaching round, which is designed to breach locks, hinges ect ect
also yeah breaching rounds are literally made so that after exploding a lock they desintegrate, unlike a normal slug that will go through a probably hit someone behind
77 MINUES before BORTAC was allowed to go in and STOP the killer RAMOS!
(note: they were there for 30 minutes and Chief Arredondo told them BORTAC
to Stand Down..)
I finished watching the rest of the senate hearing and they say several times that even one officer is enough to rush the suspect and that it should have been done as soon as they got on scene. This is a huge failure on the police department and to think about kids bleeding out and teachers bleeding out while they stood there is ridiculous. I hope there is some kind of justice.
In the end, it took a BORTAC team to take this shooter down.
Justice will be that the county will pay even more in taxes next year when the elementary school is bulldozed and rebuilt elsewhere and school board members and township/city officials launder as much of the change as possible. The city officials will be jumping for joy once the negative press fizzles out. As for the police--they'll probably get a huge increase in profits too under the guise of training.
We'll be hearing about it this time next year as a footnote on some news story. But by then people will ask "Uvalde who?"
What is this justice you people speak of ? The only criminal here is the shooter. Justice WAS served when he was neutralized. If you’re looking for REFORM or more TRAINING than that’s fine. Those things are not the same as justice.
@@peacefulness8450 Negligence?
There won't be, the thin blue line will make sure that no officers are held responsible for their own actions.
Every part of this was a perfect storm. Unlocked exterior doors, an old ass building in need of updates that should have happened years ago, school resource officer passing the shooter on the road most likely going to a different campus, police radios that don't work inside a building?, and an incompetent chief in charge
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It really was, only change I would say is the SRO. From what I understood he saw what could have been the suspect on the south and rushed over through the parking lot (donut said open field but it was clarified as a parking lot prior in the vid) which the shooter was hiding behind cars in. It's easy to miss someone hiding when you are rushing to another position.
The fallacy of making schools a prison complex: The harder it is to geti n, the harder to get out. Its stupid to think that making schools controlled entry and egress is going to prevent murder. If this happens more often, then hey'll just wait for 3 pm when the schoosl get out and do their deed. I mean, at that point you've got packed sardines in hallways thanks to the fact that "well we turned a nice open school yard and wide hallways into a controlled egress sitaution for MUH SAFETY"
As far as the radios they are lowest bid as all our equipment is, so there’s that! You think the city or counties or state gives a shit, your fooling yourself!
My dad has a friend who lived near there, and he had a niece that went to that school, now for whatever reason on that day of the tragedy they decided they was gonna go do something else, so she didn’t go to school and luckily she wasn’t harmed
When my old school had a shooting I just woke up with a weird vibe (wasn’t going to that school was going to a different one but that afternoon I heard about it)
Devine intervention
@@lt_bacon205 it's this much of a problem? Cause my old school got a few threats and kids that brought guns to school
@@ferragamodes6769 ehh not really idk I don’t see guns as the problem I just see people as the issue and our shitty ass education system
@@lt_bacon205probably a lil bit of both imo but yea I feel
the door is standard for all schools. there could have been a piece of paper wedged in the door jamb hole preventing the lock from engaging. Also at 1:09:00 that means the assistant principals and principal didnt follow the code red lockdown policies. The teacher reported man with a gun lockdown when she saw the kid walking toward the school. plenty of time to lock the doors