I made a calculations mistake in the video. The 358 Norma can't match 340 Weatherby energy. Sorry for the wrong data. And there are a few wildcat 358 cartridges that are faster
I have seen this too and its ODD... Because same weight bullets are VERY close or sometimes exceed 340!! I feel there is some prejudice's either for another or against the NM with some data. (Not yours Austin but what we have ta read.) For instance. As I always say. Manuals are WHAT WAS SAFE @ the TIME and with THAT AUTHORS conditions and firearms. Its a safe GUIDE. I am NOT AT ALL suggesting to exceed. But a judicious and experienced reloader knows by experience whats safe in THERE OWN forearm. For example, New Speer shows upper 25 yo low 2600 fps velocities. Older Speer shows near 2900 fps for same bullets using more powder. Odd knowing most experienced reloaders, knows, Speer data is generally "warm". Using imr4350 all with 250g bullets, for instance, you will find 72-79g max charges... I have not gotten to 79g that would take a drop tube... But 75.3g shoots very well in mine for accuracy and 77g gets me more then enough Velocity (and recoil :) ) So as much as we love to show data as "facts" it often boils down only what that author recorded... I know the 358 is a monster and all Ill ever need. Ill never hunt huge Africa game. But there is no Bear or Bison, Elk or Moose that Ill be under gunned for. Thanks for this Austin! God Bless my friend!! 🙏🙏❤️🩹
Thank you!!!! I am currently loading my 35 Whelen .020 off the lands (jam test) at COL 4.010! Learning so much about reloading. My REM 700 has an adequate magazine length to accommodate the cartridge length. I made a few dummy, rounds to function test. Going to use H4895 and CCI #200s or CCI BR. Plan to start at 51, 52, 53, 53.5, 54, 54.5, 55 grains. A very important fact is the velocities of the 35 Whelen are based mostly off a 22” woods rifle and the 358 Norma is a 25.5” and ask most people 3.5” make a different… in the woods lol Again, thank you for having my favorite deer/ black bear cartridge make an appearance on your channel.
Looking forward to it. I had one for a while and it's a hammer. Gets about 200 fps more than a 35 Whelen and about 100 fps more than a 338 Win Mag. The Norma brass is awesome too.
How popular is is the 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5 sweede and is there any arguments at the local stores as to what is better? Here in America the 6.5 creedmoor dominates new rifle models.
@@robertpetersson5655 so like the 30-06 the 6.5x55 has many old fans with serviceable rifles. But most new rifles are in 308. Are you from Sweden as well?
Great video on a great cartridge. I was going to have a rifle built and wanted a NOT SO POPULAR caliber. I think you just helped me make up my mind on what that caliber will be. THANK YOU!
Oh! Don’t know how I didn’t see this video earlier. This is one of the most underrated cartridges out there! I used to have one, sold it to fund a different gun purchase, miss it. It was a rebarreled Brno zg47, action stamped 1956. 28 inch straight pipe barrel, very heavy. 12 twist. Could drive the 280 grain swift a-frame to 2800 feet per second. 250 interlocks at 3000.
Wasn’t there a 358 or 35 caliber STW , I think there was one but it didn’t catch on ! Would like to see some data on this just for comparison . Thanks for all your hard work for us !……
I've always been intrigued by the 358 Norma Magnum and I always thought to myself that it would be a better choice for the Alaska hunter than either a 338 bore or a 375 - kind of a blend of the two combining the best of both worlds. But I never had one, never shot one or loaded for one. But I've always had this round in the back of my mind and I think the 358 bore would be a great diameter to choose for a custom wildcat. Great video!
Great video on a wonderful overlooked cartridge! I just have to weigh in on the “great Alaskan cartridge” comment. People always talk about hunting big game in that state but overlook a much better opportunity right next door. Canada. A friend of mine who was a guide in Alaska for over 10 years once told me that hunting in Alaska will be the most money you will ever spend to be the most miserable you will ever be in your life. He said Canada has the same species of big game that are much more plentiful with much more desirable weather (much like Colorado, Wyoming and Montana) and can be hunted more cheaply. Every single person I ever met who hunted the same species in both places confirmed this. And his biggest big game trophies are all from Canada. So he obviously knows what he is talking about and the proof is in the pudding.
If you have a Rifle chambered for several of the Magnums based on the 300 Win Mag or 375 H&H or 532" Bolt face, is just rebarell. Did look at it for my 35 Whelen project. But would have to open the boltface and mod the magazine . If you find a used at a good price grab it. Cartridges can be made with 300 Win Mag brass
I love the idea of a big 35, but when I built a custom magnum I settled on the 8mm rem mag. Another monster that wasn't appreciated by the general public...It didn't come up to par with some of the other magnums of the time because Remington neutered it with a 24" barrel, with a 27" barrel my rifle will push 200gr accubonds well past 3000 fps
The 358 Norma is cool and all, but have you heard of Layne Simpon's 358 Shooting Times Alaskan (STA)? Kinda the most potential one could get out of a 35 caliber.
I've been researching this thing a bunch lately. Not a ton out there sadly, as you point out with it never catching on. Not quire sure what it is but with the few mediocre BC bullets out there it really adds a significant amount to the distance capabilities of the Whelen. It's no 338, but maybe some of these newer copper bullet makers can do a little better if interest gets revived. Something around 230g with a g7 around .225 would be an elk deletion machine of the highest order.
Thanks for the video. I watch your work; but I stumbled on this while searching for .358 Shooting Times Alaskan information. A friend hunted elk regularly and preferred the 7mm STW. I’m a 35 caliber fan; and thought I might go that route. I’ve gleaned some information using the Hodgdon website. While the STA is more potent, it might be more practical to go the route of the Norma Magnum. Neither is as practical as the .35 Whelen; and I’m always looking for a No. 1 in that caliber.
RW, cool video on a cartridge that is not completely forgotten. Sadly it was never known. I've always had a bit of a lust for the 358 Norma. In all my years I've seen one rifle chambered in it. That was in the early or mid 70's in an Omaga rifle. That's also the only Omaga I've ever seen. She wore a beautiful laminated stock. Laminated stocks were very unusual back then. As a side note, at about the same time, I read a magazine article about the 358 Norma. The article discussed and compared the merits of issuing the 358 Norma or the 375 H&H to pipeline crews for bear protection. Obviously the 358 didn't win out. I find it odd that the 120 year old 35 Remington seems to be the popular 35 caliber. The 358 Win, 35 Whelen, 350 Rem Mag are almost forgotten. Some how America is not a 32 or 35 caliber nation. Happy Easter to you and your family. Cheers, Jeff
A couple of years back, a friend who is a big bore fan built a custom rifle on a 700 action he had remachined. He chambered it in .358-378. It doesn't get shot much because it is a shoulder full. I would take the 9.3x62mm over the 35 Whelen every day. It is 30-06 based and puts the Whelen to shame.
Can you show me that data that would have the 9.3x62mm putting the 35 Whelen to shame? I think that the 9.3x62mm is a great non magnum cartridge and the smallest revered African cartridge (due to the Germans, who moved to Africa, needing a bit more bullet, to protect their land from dangerous game.) However, all of the reloading data I have found has them almost identical. You can find standard 286 grain bullet loadings for the 9.3. But you can also find 275/300 grain loads for the 35 Whelen that will reach speeds in excess of 2400/2300 ft./s (which I would never load) I’ll leave that for Elmer Keith. I’ll be happy with a 250 grain bullet traveling 2500-2550. Again, I think they are both some of the best non-magnum medium bore rifles they make. I just don’t think either of them are vastly superior to the other. If I lived in Europe or Africa, I would most likely have the 9.3x62mm. However, in North America, the 35 Whelen gets the upper hand.
@@mickeydoodle6014 the 9.3 does not put the Waylen to shame. But some data from some sources will show the 9.3 quite a bit above the Whelen. I think that could have to do with some old data before the Whelen was legitimized keeping it to a little bit lower pressures. One thing to 93 does have is some better heavier bullets but it's very very similar case volumes so your expansion ratio is a little better for the 93, but it is for the 35 so all things equal, you should always see a difference.
Have you heard of the 358 STA? The Shooting Times Alaskan. From what I understand it will beat the 358 Norma in velocity and energy. Might be interesting to compare them.
I’m kinda fond of my .35 Whelen with 250gr Swift A-Frames pushing close to 2600 fps so I don’t think I’d go to a .358 Norma Magnum. That .35 Whelen has a bit of recoil which makes it awesome to shoot and it is excellent for grizzlies around hunting camp.
I have used it for a couple of years in a Schultz and larsen m97dl ,it can reach 4500ft/lb of energy with heavier bullets..i used 310gr woodleigh bullets and 250gr oryx for moose
Id like to see you do a video dedicated strictly for the 308 norma mag, i custom built one using a winchester model 70 action i had trued up with 180 accubonds she stacks, ive really grown to really like that cartridge and that is saying alot since i like wby easily just as much
I have most of the 35 cal rifles but not the big one. However, I do have a 50 rd box of ammo loaded with the Swift 280gr A-Frame just waiting for the day. 😊
As a Swede - I want to weigh in. There are basically only two rifles that came in 358 Norma, the Husqvarna 1651 and Schulz-Larsen. They never became popular and today virtually nobody uses this one or the 300 Norma anymore. IMO, it answers a question nobody was asking - a hybdrid between the 338 Win Mag and 375H&H?
I use it and absolutely love it. A Husqvarna 1651 mounted in a norwegian KKC laminate stock is an absolute dream when hunting moose or bear in northern Sweden with large areas of swamps and big cutting areas.
Traditionally, anything above 30 caliber in centerfire rifle cartridges just doesn't sell well in the US. We like fast, flat shooting cartridges....to get a large bullet shooting fast and flat takes a LOT of powder and creates a lot of recoil.
Wow anyone in the US that has the 358 Norma Mag? 🤔 I own a Husqvarna 1651 in caliber 358 Norma. I love that rifle and caliber. However, I have replaced the stock with a montecarlo type that is custom made. I had a Sako 75 Stanlines in 338 win mag I also liked. It is one of the most beautiful rifles to look at in my opinion. That rifle was good the caliber was good. 338 win mag and 358 Norma Mag are almost identical. 358 Norma leaves more energy at close range. Almost all the game I shoot at goes down right in the bang with my 358 Norma. I have fielded several large wild boars as well as mosse with that rifle. I handload myself so I get good ammo. However, I have run out of the bullet I used for a long time now. I can't remember the name right now and I'm not at home and can check what it's called. I have uploaded about 50 Norma Oryx I will use. It's a bit softer than the bullet I've been using which I can't get hold of now. I ran my Sako 75 in 338 Win Mag hand-loaded with Hornady Interbond. I tested Nosler Partition purchased from federal. I was not at all satisfied with them. Never more partition for me after I saw how the wild boar looked after the shots. Something was terribly wrong there. I shot a larger boar from the front in the pinhole with my 358 Norma. What an effect the bullet almost cleaved the entire body of an approximately 350 pound boar (175) kg. I found the bullet in the back of that boar's butt. Absolutely perfect mushroom on that bullet. I have only found 2 bullets in animals from 358 Norma that most often go straight through. My 358 Norma is probably the last rifle I sell. Good effect not so dangerous recoil to shoot with.
My old man has a .358 NM. This one time he told a friend who was afraid of the recoil to just put his back against a wall before shooting, because that would lessen the recoil... 😂
Speak truth and to the hell with the cry baby’s 🤔😳😂 like my 85 year old master reloader and custom stick maker says “ you get Nothing and your going to Like it” moving on even a perfect man when he was here on earth couldn’t please everyone so your certainly not going to either! We come to your channel because we want to see gun content🙌 the Norma cartridge never got popular because of the Weatherby cartridges. In my short 60+ years of collecting reloading and hunting I have owned a few Norma cartridges. But with very limited ammo available and very few of their cartridges available in guns to buy it was DOA on arrival! If you are a reloader they make a fantastic cartridge but with so many other great cartridges available it’s not going anywhere soon but to oblivion 😢
Ok here's one for ya three cartridges that I own that are all close to each other in wats of fps energy and drop between 143 grain 6.5 prc 6.8 western 165 grain and the 7prc 175 grain close to 500 yards pretty much just did the research and wrote wat I looked up down nothing has changed much in these cartridges just copying them. I mean I'm gonna change over to the federal terminal ascent in the 6.8 western whenever federal gets to making them for the 6.8 western but the ones I'm running now they are a hot race to 500 so far there's a video for u
I've been noticing at the gun shops some people are wanting cheaper priced ammo and guns some people which is ok too people taking lots of like to the 6.5prc. I try to stop in the gun shop once or twice a week to see wat people are taking interest in.
Thanks man! I guess I missed the Drama, but I dont usually pay it much heade.. Good as I figured it would be! Another biggun thats out there is the 358 Shooting times Alaska Magnum. Close to what the Lapua is to the 338 Mag the STA is to the 358NM. Thank you so much for the shout out! I shared this on my Community page. I may have ta make my own 35's video. Maybe series... ❤❤❤ Thanks also for that shout out!! 👍🏼❤️🩹🙏❤️🩹👍🏼
You deserve a lot more viewers and subs! Keep doing awesome content! I made a few mistakes in the video... But hopefully I didn't butcher the info too much.
Most powerful 358 magnum ? What about 358 Shooting Times Alaskan (358 STA) & the 358 Ultra Mag Townsley (358 UMT) 358 UMT can shoot 250's @ 3050-3100 fps.
Just be careful with the Oryx bullet in it , this one is made for AB, Swift , Rhino, Northfork, Barnes and others Woodleigh 225,250,275 and 310 on top also . 180 .357 revolver bullets on the lower end .
What have you seen with the oryx thats a problem? I use a mix of Speer Hornady and Oryx. I find Hornady and oryx a bit softer. Frankly with all was a bit thicker jacket or lil harder cores... Nosler Part. Are much better but nit as accurate... Boutique bullet makers charge, such a huge premium for their products. When you factor in all the testing required, deciding on a bullet... Load work up, accuracy testing, required to prove a bullet accuracy in your barrel. At 2$ plus a bullet... is such a large expense. Speers & Noslers work wonderfully...
@@cw2a That was FL Norma .358 mag ammo It broke up inside the two animals I shot , and it splintered like it was a shot cartridge . Small pieces everywhere and totally erupted into a destruction that ruined much meat . I so wish they had kept on using Woodleigh or Swift in the cartridge . As some of their own bullets are compromises and have to use in different types of ammo . But sadly .358 is neglected a bit, but it was the same with earlier types of their own makes in .358 NM ammo earlier also . So I went to .375 instead of .
@@MrPh30 I thought the Oryx a bonded bullet? I have not had it shatter or splinter. I have never recovered one. But its suspect as Im moving it faster then 2800. I see more destruction on bones. On broad side, lungs it seems fine. Quarter ta 1/2 dollar exits.
@@cw2a Yea it’s a bonded bullet , but it was something we ( who was there that day with me) , after seeing much bullets . It must have been different heat treated during extrusion before lead filled and then heated up . Too brittle to begin with likely .
@@MrPh30 I had a Gold Dot Rifle bullet grenade on me once. It too is a "better" Bonded bullet. Speer explained I was using it beyond velocity designs... Im not sure of Normas velocity design perimeters... but it comes factory loaded as you mentioned. My impact velocities and admittedly I have only use it a couple times. Was approx 2760/2775 impact velocity. (2850 Muzzle)
Your energy numbers for the .358 Norma Mag are a bit off in the example. The same 225 grain bullet in the Norma at 2,950 fps is 4,347 ft pounds of energy, not 4,832. I think you used a 250 grain bullet in your equation instead of a 225 grain bullet for the Norma..
@@ReloadingWeatherby It happens when dealing with a bunch of numbers. Still the content of the video was good. Been thinking about a 35 Whelen for shooting hogs here in Texas just for the heck of it.
Not you my friend! but everyone sa that 6,5 is good for everething. It is good for everething if you shot in the boiler on moderate distances. If you want shoot elk or something big chosee something elsee like old 7 rem or 300 or 338even newer prc cartridges. Sorry on my english
The 358 Norma is under bored compared to other big game magnums. 35 Remington, 358 Winchester, 350 Remington magnums , and 35 Whelen are all American cartridges. A 35 caliber case should be based on a full length 375H&H case or 416 Rigby case for 35 caliber to reach its full potential plus a greater selection of .358 bullets. A 300 gr .358 bullet would be ideal. A 35 caliber magnum should split the difference in power between a 340 Weatherby magnum and 378 Weatherby magnum. 35 caliber was a more popular big game cartridge in the past before the smaller bore magnum cartridges came out.
Its a good bullet! I find just lil "tougher" then the Hornady or Oryx even. All are pretty good. IMHO, The Partition is "best" for readily available bullets.
@@cw2a The 250 grain Hotcor is inexpensive and it works really well. When you shoot a 300 pound boar in the side the bullet leaves the other side making a golf ball sized exit hole.
Love 35’s but dont see the point. Theres nothin the 338’s cant do for North America, and not legal for dangerous game in africa for some countries with min cal of 9.3mm or 375. If you need more than 338, the 375 ruger and h&h are phenomenal. No wonder it didn’t catch on
🤭 You Know That Your Going to "Trigger" Those 6.5 prc Fans, By Saying That it Shoots Flatter Out to 400 yards! 🤪 And, The 7mm prc Fans, By Saying That You Can Have a Cartridge With 10 Grains of Less Powder Outperform a Bigger one - 280 AI! 😂 God Help the 7mm prc Fans When The Horneday Reloading Manual/Data Doesn't Match Their Cronograph Values? 😱 This Information Could Lead to Serious Depression For Alot of Horneday Cartridge Fans! 😜
🤭 Worlds Fastest 35 Caliber? 🤔 Are You Trusting That Horneday Book For That Information (Mabey Not Such a Good Idea)? 😋Mr. Newton (Inventor of the 35 Newton is Rolling Over in His Grave Right Now in Protest! 😂
It Depends Upon What You Call "Factory Offerings" (Just Ask 35 HCR Fans)! It Was Back in the 1920's and the 358 Norma Fans Were the prc Fans of the Late 1950's - By Saying the 358 Norma Was Something "Revolutionary"! So, Their is Really "Nothing New Under the Sun"! 🌞🤭@@ReloadingWeatherby
I made a calculations mistake in the video. The 358 Norma can't match 340 Weatherby energy. Sorry for the wrong data. And there are a few wildcat 358 cartridges that are faster
I have seen this too and its ODD... Because same weight bullets are VERY close or sometimes exceed 340!!
I feel there is some prejudice's either for another or against the NM with some data. (Not yours Austin but what we have ta read.)
For instance. As I always say. Manuals are WHAT WAS SAFE @ the TIME and with THAT AUTHORS conditions and firearms. Its a safe GUIDE.
I am NOT AT ALL suggesting to exceed. But a judicious and experienced reloader knows by experience whats safe in THERE OWN forearm.
For example, New Speer shows upper 25 yo low 2600 fps velocities.
Older Speer shows near 2900 fps for same bullets using more powder. Odd knowing most experienced reloaders, knows, Speer data is generally "warm".
Using imr4350 all with 250g bullets, for instance, you will find 72-79g max charges...
I have not gotten to 79g that would take a drop tube... But 75.3g shoots very well in mine for accuracy and 77g gets me more then enough Velocity (and recoil :) )
So as much as we love to show data as "facts" it often boils down only what that author recorded...
I know the 358 is a monster and all Ill ever need. Ill never hunt huge Africa game. But there is no Bear or Bison, Elk or Moose that Ill be under gunned for.
Thanks for this Austin! God Bless my friend!! 🙏🙏❤️🩹
But it is weery close.?
I'm hurt now.
The 358 STA is faster. And the .358 UMT is even faster and has energy that meets or exceeds 416 Remington
Thank you!!!! I am currently loading my 35 Whelen .020 off the lands (jam test) at COL 4.010! Learning so much about reloading. My REM 700 has an adequate magazine length to accommodate the cartridge length. I made a few dummy, rounds to function test. Going to use H4895 and CCI #200s or CCI BR. Plan to start at 51, 52, 53, 53.5, 54, 54.5, 55 grains.
A very important fact is the velocities of the 35 Whelen are based mostly off a 22” woods rifle and the 358 Norma is a 25.5” and ask most people 3.5” make a different… in the woods lol
Again, thank you for having my favorite deer/ black bear cartridge make an appearance on your channel.
Thanks for watching
Looking forward to it. I had one for a while and it's a hammer. Gets about 200 fps more than a 35 Whelen and about 100 fps more than a 338 Win Mag. The Norma brass is awesome too.
308 Norma Magnum is a necked down 358 Norma Magnum. They are both very good cartridges. Greetings from Sweden
308 Norma mag is an absolute beast.
How popular is is the 6.5 creedmoor and 6.5 sweede and is there any arguments at the local stores as to what is better? Here in America the 6.5 creedmoor dominates new rifle models.
@@chadperry4021 there is lot of old 6.5x55 still out there but 80% of new rifles is 308 win. Creed dont sell at all.
@@robertpetersson5655 so like the 30-06 the 6.5x55 has many old fans with serviceable rifles. But most new rifles are in 308. Are you from Sweden as well?
Yes I am@@chadperry4021
Great video on a great cartridge. I was going to have a rifle built and wanted a NOT SO POPULAR caliber. I think you just helped me make up my mind on what that caliber will be. THANK YOU!
Thanks for watching
The 358 norma is the bee's knees of the 35's
Oh! Don’t know how I didn’t see this video earlier. This is one of the most underrated cartridges out there! I used to have one, sold it to fund a different gun purchase, miss it. It was a rebarreled Brno zg47, action stamped 1956. 28 inch straight pipe barrel, very heavy. 12 twist.
Could drive the 280 grain swift a-frame to 2800 feet per second. 250 interlocks at 3000.
Wasn’t there a 358 or 35 caliber STW , I think there was one but it didn’t catch on ! Would like to see some data on this just for comparison . Thanks for all your hard work for us !……
358 STA
I've always been intrigued by the 358 Norma Magnum and I always thought to myself that it would be a better choice for the Alaska hunter than either a 338 bore or a 375 - kind of a blend of the two combining the best of both worlds. But I never had one, never shot one or loaded for one. But I've always had this round in the back of my mind and I think the 358 bore would be a great diameter to choose for a custom wildcat. Great video!
I had one and I loaded for it. 250 grain Speer Hot Cor with full charge of 4895. Powerful, lethal.
Great video on a wonderful overlooked cartridge!
I just have to weigh in on the “great Alaskan cartridge” comment. People always talk about hunting big game in that state but overlook a much better opportunity right next door. Canada. A friend of mine who was a guide in Alaska for over 10 years once told me that hunting in Alaska will be the most money you will ever spend to be the most miserable you will ever be in your life. He said Canada has the same species of big game that are much more plentiful with much more desirable weather (much like Colorado, Wyoming and Montana) and can be hunted more cheaply. Every single person I ever met who hunted the same species in both places confirmed this. And his biggest big game trophies are all from Canada. So he obviously knows what he is talking about and the proof is in the pudding.
Any advise on when norma produces factory loads for the 358 norma? I hear they do a small run once a year?
If you have a Rifle chambered for several of the Magnums based on the 300 Win Mag or 375 H&H or 532" Bolt face, is just rebarell. Did look at it for my 35 Whelen project. But would have to open the boltface and mod the magazine . If you find a used at a good price grab it. Cartridges can be made with 300 Win Mag brass
I love the idea of a big 35, but when I built a custom magnum I settled on the 8mm rem mag. Another monster that wasn't appreciated by the general public...It didn't come up to par with some of the other magnums of the time because Remington neutered it with a 24" barrel, with a 27" barrel my rifle will push 200gr accubonds well past 3000 fps
This is a great cartridge . I love my 35 whelen ..maybe I need this to satisfy my 35 cal sickness
Good show man!
Im a huge 35 cal guy too. Great hunting caliber.
ive been planning to rechamber my 300 win mag to the 358 norma magum or to a 9.3X66 (370 Sako).
Love my 358 Norma
Me too!!
What do you have??
Mine is a Winchester 70 Re Bored by JES. In McMillan Stock with a Bushnell Trophy Extreem BDC 2.5-10 scope.
Mine is on a rem 700 BDL with a 2.5-10 kahles on top
@@BrendonHempenstall OOH NICE GLASS!!
I just video reviewed a 1980's Kahles fixed 10x. NICE SCOPE!
Needing brass for my 7prc and and graf and son selling it, the brass is made by weatherby. Is it better than Peterson brass?
No, but Weatherby is still good
The 358 Norma is cool and all, but have you heard of Layne Simpon's 358 Shooting Times Alaskan (STA)? Kinda the most potential one could get out of a 35 caliber.
I forgot about it when making this video. I have heard of the 358 STA. Is it a factory offered cartridge? I can't remember...
@@ReloadingWeatherby A Square made ammo and rifles for a couple years, but other than that no.
I've been researching this thing a bunch lately. Not a ton out there sadly, as you point out with it never catching on. Not quire sure what it is but with the few mediocre BC bullets out there it really adds a significant amount to the distance capabilities of the Whelen. It's no 338, but maybe some of these newer copper bullet makers can do a little better if interest gets revived. Something around 230g with a g7 around .225 would be an elk deletion machine of the highest order.
I spotted 3 bags of 338 Norma Mag brass on the shelf at Sportmans this weekend. I hope it catches on.
Review the forgotten 350 Remington Magnum!
If you Ackley Improve the 35 wheelen, would you knock on 358 Norma mag’s door ?
Maybe...
Thanks for the video. I watch your work; but I stumbled on this while searching for .358 Shooting Times Alaskan information. A friend hunted elk regularly and preferred the 7mm STW. I’m a 35 caliber fan; and thought I might go that route. I’ve gleaned some information using the Hodgdon website. While the STA is more potent, it might be more practical to go the route of the Norma Magnum. Neither is as practical as the .35 Whelen; and I’m always looking for a No. 1 in that caliber.
Love my 358 norma
North61 has lots of 358 Norma content on his channel.
Greg did do allot of 358 Videos. He appreciated the power on tap. But is lately infatuated with his Forbes rifles. ❤❤
RW, cool video on a cartridge that is not completely forgotten. Sadly it was never known. I've always had a bit of a lust for the 358 Norma. In all my years I've seen one rifle chambered in it. That was in the early or mid 70's in an Omaga rifle. That's also the only Omaga I've ever seen. She wore a beautiful laminated stock. Laminated stocks were very unusual back then.
As a side note, at about the same time, I read a magazine article about the 358 Norma. The article discussed and compared the merits of issuing the 358 Norma or the 375 H&H to pipeline crews for bear protection. Obviously the 358 didn't win out.
I find it odd that the 120 year old 35 Remington seems to be the popular 35 caliber. The 358 Win, 35 Whelen, 350 Rem Mag are almost forgotten. Some how America is not a 32 or 35 caliber nation.
Happy Easter to you and your family.
Cheers, Jeff
Thanks Jeff! Happy Easter to you!
@@ReloadingWeatherby 👍😊
A couple of years back, a friend who is a big bore fan built a custom rifle on a 700 action he had remachined. He chambered it in .358-378. It doesn't get shot much because it is a shoulder full. I would take the 9.3x62mm over the 35 Whelen every day. It is 30-06 based and puts the Whelen to shame.
Wow
That would be a like a shoulder fired howitzer!! 😂😂❤❤
@@ReloadingWeatherby He is an old timer wild catter FFL, actually came from the Navy pressure vessel and machine trades.
Can you show me that data that would have the 9.3x62mm putting the 35 Whelen to shame? I think that the 9.3x62mm is a great non magnum cartridge and the smallest revered African cartridge (due to the Germans, who moved to Africa, needing a bit more bullet, to protect their land from dangerous game.) However, all of the reloading data I have found has them almost identical. You can find standard 286 grain bullet loadings for the 9.3. But you can also find 275/300 grain loads for the 35 Whelen that will reach speeds in excess of 2400/2300 ft./s (which I would never load) I’ll leave that for Elmer Keith. I’ll be happy with a 250 grain bullet traveling 2500-2550.
Again, I think they are both some of the best non-magnum medium bore rifles they make. I just don’t think either of them are vastly superior to the other. If I lived in Europe or Africa, I would most likely have the 9.3x62mm. However, in North America, the 35 Whelen gets the upper hand.
@@mickeydoodle6014 the 9.3 does not put the Waylen to shame. But some data from some sources will show the 9.3 quite a bit above the Whelen. I think that could have to do with some old data before the Whelen was legitimized keeping it to a little bit lower pressures. One thing to 93 does have is some better heavier bullets but it's very very similar case volumes so your expansion ratio is a little better for the 93, but it is for the 35 so all things equal, you should always see a difference.
I like the 338 win mag and lapua mag... so this looks like a necessary future upgrade😁
This can knock on the Lapuas back door!!
Have you heard of the 358 STA? The Shooting Times Alaskan. From what I understand it will beat the 358 Norma in velocity and energy. Might be interesting to compare them.
I have heard of it. Forgot to mention it in the video.
.358 STA is a super cool cartridge. Based on the 8mm rem mag case I believe
I’m kinda fond of my .35 Whelen with 250gr Swift A-Frames pushing close to 2600 fps so I don’t think I’d go to a .358 Norma Magnum. That .35 Whelen has a bit of recoil which makes it awesome to shoot and it is excellent for grizzlies around hunting camp.
Thanks for sharing!
There are few animals that will benefit from the 225 fps and 750 fpe increase the NM would provide.
Your "well healed" with your Whelen loading! ❤
I have used it for a couple of years in a Schultz and larsen m97dl ,it can reach 4500ft/lb of energy with heavier bullets..i used 310gr woodleigh bullets and 250gr oryx for moose
Elmer Keith liked the 358 -378 wby wildcat & Layne. Simpsons. 358 stw are real hammers !
Id like to see you do a video dedicated strictly for the 308 norma mag, i custom built one using a winchester model 70 action i had trued up with 180 accubonds she stacks, ive really grown to really like that cartridge and that is saying alot since i like wby easily just as much
Pure AWESOME!!
358 nm is my favourite cartridge. My usual load using Reloder 17 behind the 225 gr accubond gets 3,020 and shoots flat and makes a big hole.🙂
I built a .358 Norma on a Savage 110. It is an absolute hammer.
I like to reload but am leaning toward 35 Whelen too . I like the poor mans mag.
35’s have some of the largest grain spectrum of any caliber I know of. You can shoot bullets from about 150-310.
How does this compare to 358 STA?
358 STA is faster
I have most of the 35 cal rifles but not the big one. However, I do have a 50 rd box of ammo loaded with the Swift 280gr A-Frame just waiting for the day. 😊
As a Swede - I want to weigh in.
There are basically only two rifles that came in 358 Norma, the Husqvarna 1651 and Schulz-Larsen. They never became popular and today virtually nobody uses this one or the 300 Norma anymore.
IMO, it answers a question nobody was asking - a hybdrid between the 338 Win Mag and 375H&H?
Thanks for your insight!
I use it and absolutely love it. A Husqvarna 1651 mounted in a norwegian KKC laminate stock is an absolute dream when hunting moose or bear in northern Sweden with large areas of swamps and big cutting areas.
Great to hear! Always cool when somebody brings out one of the old Husqvarnas
You been doing strength training on your shoulder? Lol Just waiting for some 30-378 an Lapua show down lol
Considered by some to be the best elg/scandinavien moose cartridge for Europeen hunting!
Best from Norway!
Thanks for watching!
Traditionally, anything above 30 caliber in centerfire rifle cartridges just doesn't sell well in the US. We like fast, flat shooting cartridges....to get a large bullet shooting fast and flat takes a LOT of powder and creates a lot of recoil.
Fair point
Wow anyone in the US that has the 358 Norma Mag? 🤔
I own a Husqvarna 1651 in caliber 358 Norma.
I love that rifle and caliber.
However, I have replaced the stock with a montecarlo type that is custom made.
I had a Sako 75 Stanlines in 338 win mag I also liked.
It is one of the most beautiful rifles to look at in my opinion.
That rifle was good the caliber was good.
338 win mag and 358 Norma Mag are almost identical.
358 Norma leaves more energy at close range.
Almost all the game I shoot at goes down right in the bang with my 358 Norma.
I have fielded several large wild boars as well as mosse with that rifle.
I handload myself so I get good ammo.
However, I have run out of the bullet I used for a long time now.
I can't remember the name right now and I'm not at home and can check what it's called.
I have uploaded about 50 Norma Oryx I will use.
It's a bit softer than the bullet I've been using which I can't get hold of now.
I ran my Sako 75 in 338 Win Mag hand-loaded with Hornady Interbond.
I tested Nosler Partition purchased from federal.
I was not at all satisfied with them.
Never more partition for me after I saw how the wild boar looked after the shots.
Something was terribly wrong there.
I shot a larger boar from the front in the pinhole with my 358 Norma.
What an effect the bullet almost cleaved the entire body of an approximately 350 pound boar (175) kg.
I found the bullet in the back of that boar's butt.
Absolutely perfect mushroom on that bullet.
I have only found 2 bullets in animals from 358 Norma that most often go straight through.
My 358 Norma is probably the last rifle I sell.
Good effect not so dangerous recoil to shoot with.
I’m trying out Speer data on the 35 Whelen pushing a 250gr bullet with PP 2000MR. They claim that you can get 2700fps!
Let me know how it goes!
@@ReloadingWeatherby will do!
35 Whelen is king. 👑 love the two I got!
My old man has a .358 NM. This one time he told a friend who was afraid of the recoil to just put his back against a wall before shooting, because that would lessen the recoil... 😂
Speak truth and to the hell with the cry baby’s 🤔😳😂 like my 85 year old master reloader and custom stick maker says “ you get Nothing and your going to Like it” moving on even a perfect man when he was here on earth couldn’t please everyone so your certainly not going to either! We come to your channel because we want to see gun content🙌 the Norma cartridge never got popular because of the Weatherby cartridges. In my short 60+ years of collecting reloading and hunting I have owned a few Norma cartridges. But with very limited ammo available and very few of their cartridges available in guns to buy it was DOA on arrival! If you are a reloader they make a fantastic cartridge but with so many other great cartridges available it’s not going anywhere soon but to oblivion 😢
Thanks for the insight
Ok here's one for ya three cartridges that I own that are all close to each other in wats of fps energy and drop between 143 grain 6.5 prc 6.8 western 165 grain and the 7prc 175 grain close to 500 yards pretty much just did the research and wrote wat I looked up down nothing has changed much in these cartridges just copying them. I mean I'm gonna change over to the federal terminal ascent in the 6.8 western whenever federal gets to making them for the 6.8 western but the ones I'm running now they are a hot race to 500 so far there's a video for u
I've been noticing at the gun shops some people are wanting cheaper priced ammo and guns some people which is ok too people taking lots of like to the 6.5prc. I try to stop in the gun shop once or twice a week to see wat people are taking interest in.
Cheaper priced going to the old calibers too
Thanks man!
I guess I missed the Drama, but I dont usually pay it much heade..
Good as I figured it would be!
Another biggun thats out there is the 358 Shooting times Alaska Magnum.
Close to what the Lapua is to the 338 Mag the STA is to the 358NM.
Thank you so much for the shout out!
I shared this on my Community page.
I may have ta make my own 35's video. Maybe series... ❤❤❤
Thanks also for that shout out!! 👍🏼❤️🩹🙏❤️🩹👍🏼
You deserve a lot more viewers and subs! Keep doing awesome content! I made a few mistakes in the video... But hopefully I didn't butcher the info too much.
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Let the first who is without sin step forward... 🙏🙏❤️🩹
Most powerful 358 magnum ?
What about 358 Shooting Times Alaskan (358 STA) & the 358 Ultra Mag Townsley (358 UMT)
358 UMT can shoot 250's @ 3050-3100 fps.
I should have clarified that it's the most powerful factory offered cartridge
Just be careful with the Oryx bullet in it , this one is made for AB, Swift , Rhino, Northfork, Barnes and others
Woodleigh 225,250,275 and 310 on top also .
180 .357 revolver bullets on the lower end .
What have you seen with the oryx thats a problem? I use a mix of Speer Hornady and Oryx. I find Hornady and oryx a bit softer.
Frankly with all was a bit thicker jacket or lil harder cores...
Nosler Part. Are much better but nit as accurate...
Boutique bullet makers charge, such a huge premium for their products. When you factor in all the testing required, deciding on a bullet... Load work up, accuracy testing, required to prove a bullet accuracy in your barrel.
At 2$ plus a bullet... is such a large expense. Speers & Noslers work wonderfully...
@@cw2a That was FL Norma .358 mag ammo
It broke up inside the two animals I shot , and it splintered like it was a shot cartridge . Small pieces everywhere and totally erupted into a destruction that ruined much meat . I so wish they had kept on using Woodleigh or Swift in the cartridge . As some of their own bullets are compromises and have to use in different types of ammo . But sadly .358 is neglected a bit, but it was the same with earlier types of their own makes in .358 NM ammo earlier also . So I went to .375 instead of .
@@MrPh30 I thought the Oryx a bonded bullet? I have not had it shatter or splinter. I have never recovered one. But its suspect as Im moving it faster then 2800. I see more destruction on bones. On broad side, lungs it seems fine. Quarter ta 1/2 dollar exits.
@@cw2a Yea it’s a bonded bullet , but it was something we ( who was there that day with me) , after seeing much bullets . It must have been different heat treated during extrusion before lead filled and then heated up . Too brittle to begin with likely .
@@MrPh30 I had a Gold Dot Rifle bullet grenade on me once. It too is a "better" Bonded bullet. Speer explained I was using it beyond velocity designs...
Im not sure of Normas velocity design perimeters... but it comes factory loaded as you mentioned. My impact velocities and admittedly I have only use it a couple times. Was approx 2760/2775 impact velocity. (2850 Muzzle)
Alaskan and African cartridge the 358 Norma Mag. Mag-Na-Port the barrel.
Your energy numbers for the .358 Norma Mag are a bit off in the example. The same 225 grain bullet in the Norma at 2,950 fps is 4,347 ft pounds of energy, not 4,832. I think you used a 250 grain bullet in your equation instead of a 225 grain bullet for the Norma..
Yep I made a mistake. Didn't realize it until it premiered... oops .
@@ReloadingWeatherby It happens when dealing with a bunch of numbers. Still the content of the video was good. Been thinking about a 35 Whelen for shooting hogs here in Texas just for the heck of it.
Sell all of Roy's toys and keep the 270. Everyone is Happy!!😂
Haha no
And 6,5 creed is awesome cartridge????no no no,this morma is outstanding on 6,5.
Never said the 6.5 Creedmoor is awesome
Not you my friend! but everyone sa that 6,5 is good for everething. It is good for everething if you shot in the boiler on moderate distances. If you want shoot elk or something big chosee something elsee like old 7 rem or 300 or 338even newer prc cartridges. Sorry on my english
The 358 Norma is under bored compared to other big game magnums. 35 Remington, 358 Winchester, 350 Remington magnums , and 35 Whelen are all American cartridges. A 35 caliber case should be based on a full length 375H&H case or 416 Rigby case for 35 caliber to reach its full potential plus a greater selection of .358 bullets. A 300 gr .358 bullet would be ideal. A 35 caliber magnum should split the difference in power between a 340 Weatherby magnum and 378 Weatherby magnum. 35 caliber was a more popular big game cartridge in the past before the smaller bore magnum cartridges came out.
It loves the 250 grain Speer Hotcor in a reload!
Thanks for watching!
Its a good bullet! I find just lil "tougher" then the Hornady or Oryx even.
All are pretty good. IMHO, The Partition is "best" for readily available bullets.
@@cw2a The 250 grain Hotcor is inexpensive and it works really well. When you shoot a 300 pound boar in the side the bullet leaves the other side making a golf ball sized exit hole.
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Youre forgotten best Norma in the 308 Norma mag..
Big bears, African game...if you load down, fine for American game. Recoil is a challenge. Recoil induced flinch makes for poor shooting.
Thanks for commenting
Love 35’s but dont see the point. Theres nothin the 338’s cant do for North America, and not legal for dangerous game in africa for some countries with min cal of 9.3mm or 375. If you need more than 338, the 375 ruger and h&h are phenomenal. No wonder it didn’t catch on
Makes a great hog hammer!
Wow
🤭 You Know That Your Going to "Trigger" Those 6.5 prc Fans, By Saying That it Shoots Flatter Out to 400 yards! 🤪 And, The 7mm prc Fans, By Saying That You Can Have a Cartridge With 10 Grains of Less Powder Outperform a Bigger one - 280 AI! 😂 God Help the 7mm prc Fans When The Horneday Reloading Manual/Data Doesn't Match Their Cronograph Values? 😱 This Information Could Lead to Serious Depression For Alot of Horneday Cartridge Fans! 😜
*6.5 Creedmoor
😂 Yep! Oops! 😳@@ReloadingWeatherby
I Mispelled Chronograph Too! 😳@@ReloadingWeatherby
@@ronlowney4700 It's all good... I make mistakes as well in my videos
My Fat Fingers Seem to be Making Alot of Them Lately! 🙄@@ReloadingWeatherby
🤭 Worlds Fastest 35 Caliber? 🤔 Are You Trusting That Horneday Book For That Information (Mabey Not Such a Good Idea)? 😋Mr. Newton (Inventor of the 35 Newton is Rolling Over in His Grave Right Now in Protest! 😂
Is it a factory offered cartridge?
It Depends Upon What You Call "Factory Offerings" (Just Ask 35 HCR Fans)! It Was Back in the 1920's and the 358 Norma Fans Were the prc Fans of the Late 1950's - By Saying the 358 Norma Was Something "Revolutionary"! So, Their is Really "Nothing New Under the Sun"! 🌞🤭@@ReloadingWeatherby
Remember That Mr. Newton Was Quite the Inventor and Helped Give Us the 250-3000 Savage and the 25-06 Too! 🤑@@ReloadingWeatherby