DANGEROUS, Abandoned, Ugly and Hopeless | Harvey, Illinois
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- Опубликовано: 1 июн 2024
- Harvey today is a city that's full of blight, vacant lots and abandonment. It's has had a rough go of it over the years to put it nicely. The city saw a peak population of 35,000 back in 1980 but today that number is down below 20,000. It's hard to see this community being able to turn it around anytime soon... or... possibly... ever.
0:00 - 8:04 Halsted St/What Harvey is like today
8:04 - 19:09 Industrial History
19:09 - 26:55 Downtown area and gang activity
26:55 - 29:43 Corruption
29:43 - 35:14 The High School & Chris's Livability Score
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You didn't go down their street or mention the Indian population in downtown Harvey that have been buying up the old homes and have rehabbed their little neighborhood. They even have a Mosque there.
I hope they eventually buy up the whole city. At least they take care of their neighborhood and look out for each other.
Man it's so terrible I don't think I WANT to see more!
I'm not racist but I wouldn't go anywhere near Harvey while driving my BMW 7 Series!
(BTW, not to brag but I went to Harvard... fyi)
I lived in Harvey from 1989 until 2005. I grew up there. Playing in the abandoned mall, riding all over the city in my bike with friends, getting chased by crack heads, renting games from blockbuster video, getting shot at, getting my first job at the police station at 13, friends getting murdered over drugs, finding out my grade school girlfriend was having sex with her brother and a bunch of other dude (not me for some bogus reason), my 5th grade gym teacher became the mayor... a lot of memories in that town. Harvey is truly the toilet of the South Suburbs. I salute you Harvey.
Stay strong.
Damn that's rough. Hope all is better now.
@@kennetho5393 I don't live there anymore. That city is worse than ever.
is harvey toilet or joilet toliet of the south
🥴🥴🥴🥴
Several observations about Harvey. The Mall scene in "Blues Brothers" was filmed at the Dixie Square Mall, as well as scenes at the Harvey Holiday Inn. Here is a little-known fact: According to the Pinkerton Detective Agency which investigated the robbery, around 1926 the last recorded train robbery in the US, took place on an Illinois Central Train in Harvey. Several men boarded the train in Harvey and proceeded to rob the passengers and I believe the mail car. The thieves were tracked to St. Louis where a deadly gun fight broke out, killing both robbers and cops. The Dixie Highway was a heavily travelled route from Chicago to Florida up until the early 1970s when several Interstates were completed down to Florida.
Aye that’s really cool information
Thanks for the great history lesson
Stay up!
Wasn't it Jessie and Frank James and gang that did that heist?
@@ronnieitaquab1008 Jesse died in the 1880s this took place 40 years later.
I was born there in 1955 and Harvey was a great place to live and work, with good schools and plenty of good jobs. My dad was the Union Shop Steward and President of the Harvey Improvement Association around 1960. My sister and I went to Washington School, and there was no abandoned mall behind our house--that site was a golf course. There was a real downtown with businesses lining Main St and 154th (I think) and Mom shopped at the Jewel Tea Store.
They were still building new residential housing in Harvey and there was some friction between white/non whites at times relating to unofficial segregation. Our folks sold to the first black family on that stretch of Washington and Mom had to walk us to school due to mailed threats. We walked to the Baptist Church and there were some black people who went there. Never thought to count the races. The Pastor was Brother LaSalle.
Wow, that's crazy the people thought blacks would bring crime, drugs, foreclosures, and overall decline to Harvey.
Thank you for selling that house to the first of thousands of black people to enrich Harvey.
Your research, reporting, and production are first-rate. Thank you.
grifting on others hard times
@@chooch_mcgeeboohoo sad story
I grew up in Harvey way back in the day and it used to be a nice town until welllll, you know......Need I say more ? 😳
Yes. Please say more.
Please elaborate
All the Jobs and industry left Harvey and so did the hard working men and women who actually mowed lawns and pulled weeds and washed windows and said hello to people and weren’t on drugs. Harvey was destroyed by politicians along with Lyndon b. Johnson. The corruption is unbelievable and the ridiculous property taxes are insane so nobody pays them and the town can’t afford to fix roads or clean up anything or purchase anything . It was so bad the town stole money from the firefighters pension and they were afraid the folks wouldn’t get paid . The crooked mayors along with pritz contribute to the decline .They promise everything but deliver nothing and idiots still vote for them because they promise free stuff that never arrives . You can’t put lipstick on a pig ,Harvey is beyond repair sad because there are some really decent people with good hearts there who have to deal with this nonsense.
The south suburbs were a great place 60 years ago. I lived in Chicago Heights back then. Harvey and Hazel Crest were starting their descent in the 70s.
Another interesting and informative video with still so many towns to do.
University Park, Richton Park, Sauk Village, Flossmoor, Thornton, Robbins, Hazel Crest, Posen, Blue Island, Crestwood, Markham, Phoenix, Park Forrest, South Holland
Always enjoy your content! Especially in my area of Chicago suburbs.
Being from this area, I love these Calumet region/Thorton Township videos of the south suburbs. For an area with a lot of people, this area doesn't get talked about much unless its crime related or you have a Super Mayor. Maybe do Hammond, IN sometime, or another suburb that managed to stay in decent shape for awhile until recently Lansing.
Lansing is really shifting towards becoming another Bellwood where it was nice but now everything is just starting to decline 😒
I have been waiting for this one! Nice content
Thanks!
Very good video. You are one the best RUclipsrs out there!
Thank you!
Harvey has some interesting history. I doubt anything productive will happen there in the next 30 years except more people leaving and more blight.
Same unfortunately so
Thank you for this video❤
Those Chicago area Walmarts were never profitable to begin with 😂
I very much enjoyed this video. Your immense research and subtleties are appreciated! Going to check out your video about the super mayor next. I've been following that story closely and am looking forward to having a look around her town. I might even cover her on my channel soon. *hoping for a federal indictment*
Love the research that you do!
Very nice video. You really gave me a feel for the place.
So impressed by this video. Your playlist looks interesting. New sub. Look forward to your research. Thank you.
Thanks!
There’s no mention of healthcare in Harvey. Ingall’s Memorial Hospital was founded in 1923 by a wealthy industrialist named Frederick Ingalls. It is now owned by the University of Chicago Health System.
I enjoyed my time in Harvey as a sheriff police officer.
Great people. Few bad apples
a Few bad apples🤣🤣🤣
Harvey had the infamous Dixie Square Mall shown in the movie The Blues Brothers in which the Blues Brothers drive through the dead mall. That mall "died" early.
Chris, such a great story. You are a true historian and I thank you for all your knowledge and taking us places we would never visit. Cheers!
TTHS Class of 1986 here! 86' is in the mix! Good times. :))
Willie Clark is my brother
Class of 2010
1996! 👍🏽
My former boss' parents used to live in Harvey. They sold their home for 27k in the 1980's. They waited too long to sell and prices continued to slide. They bought a mobile home (even farther south suburbs, can't remember where). Couldn't afford anything else with that kind of equity.
I grew up in the next town Markham. Left in the 90's. My Dad went to high school in Harvey in the late 1940's. And Harvey is in Crook county!
Brilliant narrative evaluation tied in with excellent video and awesome (and heartbreaking) drone footage. This is much much more than evaluation of a community that has seen better days. Instead this is a carefully researched and assembled demonstration of what can and does work or not work essentially anywhere! This is not about talking points instead it is or should be a wake up call for everyone. There is so much wisdom here like the importance of good government, schools, public safety, planning etc. Being an old timer I am amazed how well he recaps the history that I remember going through. Chris should be given an honorary PHD in humanities, urban planning or history for his hard and heartfelt illuminating work.
Impressive Work and research
I did enjoyed this video and learned a lot of things from the video.
Turlington had at least one grandchild that got to see his grandfather's dream turn into a nightmare but several others certainly witnessed the decline.
The casino parking garage is on a site that used to be a Sheraton Inn. But closed because of crime.
Used to have a nice park over by Ingalls Hospital.
Great history lesson .
A lower score than East St Louis? Did'nt think that was possible... Are you planning on covering Sauk Villiage IL? I used to visit freinds there in the mid 90s..
Yeah one day I’ll do Sauk Village
First video viewed. Impressed by your research and street views.
They dumped cabriny green in Harvey. That caused the White flight
You are a true sociologist. Brilliant comment
It's true. After the projects in Chicago were demolished, those residents were given section 8 vouchers and spread out all around in the south suburbs bringing all their "Project Mentality" and behaviors with them. Harvey was already on the skids when they arrived and that dump on the community just added more momentum to the complete destruction of Harvey and neighboring communities.
I lived in Harvey for 10 years. I watched my neighbors moving away and the Working class culture turn into a Welfare culture.
It was another failed government social experiment.
Harvey is the Armpit of the South Suburbs.
😂 besides the fact that you misspelled Cabrini 😂 your comment is historically inaccurate
My grandparents came to America from Germany and built a house in Harvey. It was a nice place in the 40/50’s from what I understand. People tried to convince gma to get out of the neighborhood at one point, but she ignored them. By the time she sold the house in the 80’s she lost money on it.
If she bought the house in the 40s, how could she loose money by selling in the 80s?
Even with lowered property values compared to Chicago she had to have made some profit.
I enjoyed this video. Sad town.😢❤
Harvey has been like this for many decades now
Back in 1989-90 Harvey was a small part of my sales territory. I never went there unless a potential customer called us, per my bosses instructions
I have very deep DNA to the Harvey area. I was born there and grew up in Markham in the early 70's. My grandparents came to the area from the far south because of the ease of getting a job in Harvey.
Harvey has and had many great companies like Whiting (made cranes), Bliss &Laughlin Steel, Perfection Gear, Allied Tube, and many others. I remember in 1986 when a Photon (laser tag) opened and it was a hot place for teens.
One thing I blame unions for..They cause the labor pool to become over-priced with demands and dues, that the members end up getting nothing as the company moves somewhere else. The only people that seem to do well is the union representatives.
The one great thing about Harvey you should have mentioned..Ingalls Hospital..One of the very best in the state if not the country!
I agree about Ingalls hospital!
He forgot to mention hells angels as he was turning down 155th lol
Good show as always. Gutted that your competitor HoodTime has disappeared. Enjoyed them too
I can't believe that the Walmart in Homewood is closed down.. Use to shop there each week until i left in spring of 2018..
Dixie Square was used in the filming of the Blue Brothers. The scene totally destroyed the mall, and it was never repaired/rebuilt.
I believe the mall had already been abandoned/closed by the time they filmed the scene, that's why they were allowed to totally destroy it
Too many black people. Doesn't happen to white towns change my mind
Dixie Square was already closed before filming began. My uncle was an extra. After filming, it was reclosed. Now torn down with new senior housing development
The mall closed one year prior to the filming of The Blues Brothers but Universal Studios and director John Landis agreed to repair the damage done in the mall during filming. He didn't repair the damages and Harvey actually sued Universal Studios for damages @johng5710
Pat, I'd like to solve the puzzle.
All I can remember about Harvey was that they had the Photon arena at the expo center which also housed some really good rave parties back in the late 90's early 2000's.
Calumet was a good video. Now I’ll watch this one. Side note, I grew up not too far from either of these places in Tinley Park. Very nice peaceful quiet there and it’s rundown and ragged like some of these burbs are getting
May you do Robbins, IL next? It's two towns away from Harvey.
Robbins coming soon
@@ChrisHarden Alright! That's my old hometown!
Be safe bunker down. Thats an old civil war town. @@ChrisHarden
I grew up out there.
And these south suburbs have the nerve to charge triple the property taxes as Chicago for subpar schools😤
I know right? Lol
Property values go down, property tax rates go up. And once that cycle begins it takes really good governance to reverse it. Unfortunately, the problem likely began precisely due to bad governance.
You didn’t mention that the Mall Chase Scene in the Blues Brothers movie was the Dixie Square Mall!
That's where I first learned about Harvey.
I remember when across the street from Best Buy, was a shopping mall called. Washington Square Mall. I watched Boyz n da Hood there
May all the viewers of this great video enjoy a blessed happy successful day . I too am from the area. To all my neighbors. MAY THE FORCE BE WITH YOU.
Wait !!!! What !!!!! A casino is being built in a high crime, high poverty area ?????
Build trade schools and deregulate and give tax incentives "Tax Credit, Main Street Small Business Tax Credit, Opportunity Zones" and so on to help move jobs back into the area.
Thanks, can you do Steger, IL?
As a 1970s Teen I Used to Go to Dixie Square Mall in Harvey, IL.
please do Sauk Village IL
I used to go to rave parties in Harvey at an abandoned banquet hall in the 90s. It was called Cavalini's
The Blues Brothers was filmed in Dixie Square Mall. They fixed it up just to film the movie, because it had already closed.
Dixie square mall was the mall from The Blues Brothers.
Glad my family left back in the early 70’s.
A long time ago I briefly lived in a house here that had a lot of strange goings on, I never knew the history of the town.
My favorite videos here are anything to do with Chicago suburbs.
You doing lansing,il next lol
That'll be archive channel content sometime in the future
Wow, the entire civilization is unraveling.
If Walmart left because of theft, the thieves are still there! The thieves will just move to Kohls, Home Depot or Best Buy! Those stores will eventually leave unless crime is addressed!!
I live in a small town which used to be great 60 years ago. I often wonder how much investment money it would take to regenerate an area. Is there any formula? How many new businesses employing 100, 1000 people, etc. would it take to get the ball rolling into prosperity?
It depends. With it being Cook County it’ll cost more to rebuild than say a portion of Gary, Indiana because of the taxes and regulations imposed by Illinois. California being the extreme example of how expense such a thing would be. Not sure what state would have the lowest cost. Ohio maybe?
Can you do Markham IL
I grew up in Hammond where I tuned in an AM Jazz station WBEE that broadcasted from Harvey. Moved to Texas in 1977 since there wasn't any future by staying in the Region once the industries began closing down.
How is Target 🎯 able to survive and Wal-Mart had to pull up roots and move? Wal-Mart never gets ran outta business, its usually the other way around. They destroyed Kmart and Sears just to name a few. But if the shoplifting out weighs the tax breaks, yep, there gone!
Why does it seem that not just 1 or 2 towns but the entire area south of Chicago is a dump. I’ll include the area of northwest Indiana that borders it also.
Because most of the South suburbs were home to factory workers, who worked at plants like the US Steel South Works. Then came the 70s recession and the "Reagan Revolution." The factories closed, the jobs disappeared and "they ain't never comin' back" to quote Bruce Springsteen.
@@thomasclark3348true. The North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) I believe during the Clinton Administration, took all the middle class blue collars jobs out of America. Sent them overseas to China, Mexico and South America. Jobs went everywhere except America. Leaving a destructive trail in small suburbs across America behind.
There are some nice suburbs down there mostly on the Southwest side (eg. Palos Heights; Orland Park, Olympia fields, Homewood/ Flosmore/County Club hills)
@@PeterGazis-iz9feplaces like Orland Park and Palos Hill do not belong to the traditional definition of south suburban Chicagoland. I consider I57 being the dividing line. Towns lie west of the highway are mostly decent
@@PeterGazis-iz9fe Obviously, you have never been to Country Club Hills. And it's Flossmoor
Chris, I've been with you for awhile and I appreciate your assessments and comments about the places you evaluate. I've always had a huge fascination for greater Detroit since I was 12 years old. It was 1968 and my parents flew me by myself from Syracuse, NY to either Chicago or Milwaukee with a 2 hour layover in Willow Run. I remember wandering around the airport checking out all the ads and promo things of everything Detroit. There was a lot of race rioting in '68 and that only added to the mystique to everything. Not only Detroit, but all the major rust belt cities as well as cities all over. Anyhow, I was raised to believe that no one should be treated any differently due to race, religion, ethnicity or any other of the federally outlawed "buzz words". Which brings me to the reason why I authored this comment. I was also taught to believe that it's impossible to fix something when the actual root cause is not to be mentioned. In your own inimitable way, you have the rare ability to say what should be said and have just the right inflection in your voice that tells me that you think all this is destructive and could be somewhat corrected if people were able to focus on actual problems rather than problems of intentionally misleading proxy. Thanks and carry on. There's no place that's all bad or all good. But evil survives by obfuscation, innuendo, coercion and outright lies. They don't want things corrected. In fact, evil is attempting to spread this destruction anywhere people are too cowardly to stand up for truth! Be safe and carry on.
they need a super mayor
Lol
You should do a review on the Altgeld Gardens
We used to call it Alligator Gardens. 🐊
What was the industry of that town? Why did the industry leave? Who moved the industry out of the town? That sums up your video with three questions. When you take jobs away what does one think willl happen to a town?
I work in the downtown train station that serves Harvey. The people going there are nice, hardworking people…obviously they have jobs so it’s just weird to me how bleak it is…
I believe comedian/actor Lil Rel Howery is from Harvey, Illinois.
Harvey looks like something out of nightmare on elm street,it’s so bad the mice moved to markham.
Chris, you really, someday, need to do some vids on san francisco starting with the Tenderloin district and also showing how so many businesses have left the once great Market Street shopping area. But watch out for all the human poop on the streets and sidewalks. Again, a great watch.
We all know why the crime & shoplifting but are forbidden to fix it.
I was asked by Walmart security to leave the store. Said I looked like I was going to steal something. I refused. A couple months later they closed.
Wow 😳
Trendsetters is still open. Thats something. 🤷♂️
Haha maybe so
old man Lenny God bless.
Yeah the place really fell apart after Arnie's Idle Hour shut down. Thank God there's still drive-through liquor stores.
This is where Jake And Ellwood Blue on The Blues Brothers drove though the abandoned Dixie Square Mall in 1980 car chase scene filmed which closed two years prior in 1978 and was left to rot and some horrible crimes happened there when it was opened and after its closure as well.
Harvey IL has a twin down here in East St Louis Illinois.
I have been mentioning Harvey IL every since i the smart phone .
I also been mentioning Northbrook Illinois yes Northbrook Illinois isn't dire like Harvey and East St Louis Illinois. Northbrook has very bad people with beautiful homes in gated communities.
Chief Keef moved to Northbrook and Chief Keef is from O'block in Chi-raq he has seen some "ship" now that kid lives in Los Angeles.
Dexter Lombardo out 🤠 🧔
Can't wait for the Markham video... My family lived there for decades before the crazy broke out
I had a cousin who was a Dentist in Harvey in thè 40s to 60s. He took a lot of money out of that city.
Can you do south holland
Our state attorney in cook county will not charge them unless it is over 1,000 dollars. There is also the safe t act, arrest and let go only never for them to come to court.
You did not mention that the blue's brothers was filmed at the dixie mall
Do Evanston
One day for sure. I've actually wanted to check out that city for a long time.
Homewood is a nice place to live
lol
@@agy234 I agree. Homewood is very nice. i travel there weekly. Don't know what the lol is about.
@@quaithom3138 homewood doesn’t even have a Walmart because residents keep stealing everything not bolted down
Home of ty money aka fat money.. super dope rapper.. That was an abandoned strip club called the skybox on halsted.. They are building thay huge casino right off of Halsted.. Hard Rock right down the street.. Still haven't been there..
Do a narrative on olympia fields😮
My hometown ! Streamside park baby
Change it to “has been a disaster.”
I hate that that is the popular trend for Chicago factories. Factory is doing great and enhancing the neighborhood around it. Then when some of the people the already work at the factory want to move into the neighborhood and experience that economy they suddenly need to shut it down?
maybe I need to do a deep dive into how close together and related those things are
Does the other video have more music and less yammering?
I mean, why bro? What's the point
@@RaulDuke773 I used to relax to his videos. Like an ASMR thing. I didn't watch them to get educated.
Please do Robbins illinois