Exactly. Good foe Clayton for having empathy on the woman who tried to ruin his entire life. I would be wishing her years in prison and years of suffering. Shame on her!
They need to put her away and demand she get some kind of treatment! What she has done is vile and disgusting! Ruining lives because people don’t want to date you is unhinged!
Treatment is only for behavior that's caused by a medical condition and/or people who want to change. Bad character will remain if the perpetrator doesn't see it and work to be different.
LO will never take a plea deal. That’s admitting she’s a liar and I can’t see her entering a guilty plea. I really think she’s gonna sink with the titanic instead of admitting to her crimes.
Clayton's channel is awesome and much needed. I'm honored to be part of a healing and victory wave. Definitely go subscribe to his channel. Thanks, Dave, for everything!
Most plea deals in criminal cases involve pleading not guilty. Prosecutors often insist on a not-guilty plea deal. Part of the process for a not-guilty plea involves going into court, being put under oath, and then being examined by a judge. The judge will go through each element of the case and ask the person under oath whether the element of the story was true. The questions will be things like "did you submit sonograms you claimed were yours, but they were not yours?" If the person tries to go back on the plea deal the person can be prosecuted for purgery. In a lot of high-profile cases, the plea deal will include stipulations about writing books or otherwise profiting off the crime. Prosecutors don't like wasting their time. They don't like to put resources into investigating a case and then walk away from it. The cases where prosecutors offer sweetheart plea deals are cases where the prosecutor did not do more than read the police report or where they know there is a serious flaw in the state's case. From what I have seen in the media, the Laura Owens case should be a strong one. It appears to have slam-dunk evidence against her. The prosecutors are putting time into the case. There is almost no political support for Owens; even other feminists see what she did as an offense against women with legitimate cases. The prosecutors are going to want a pound of flesh, and I doubt they will settle for a slap-on-the-wrist sentence in the case. I am not a lawyer.
I hope you all are right about her being charged. The way she has exploited real tragedies people go through has to be stopped. Consequences are the only possibility for a wake up call for her and her mother.
Just learned yesterday that women considering IVF have to do hCg trigger shots at some point during the process. She probably bought some off of some unknown market source or being in Arizona maybe drove down to Mexico and purchased it from a fertility clinic. With $$$ anything is possible
Well hopefully this all can resolve with all parties on a healing path and Clayton (+team) getting a solid chunk of the legal fees back. The scene with Clayton pushing the chairs in ugh couldn’t have scripted that one. 😭 he has next level class, not just for that moment but for how he has spoken about her in every interview as well.
I believe if indicted, she'll take an Alford Plea which means you admit that there is so much evidence against you that you'll probably be found guilty but you still maintain your innocence and never plead guilty.
@@amylynncreaney2245The issue with that is the word 'reasonable' before the words 'person' and 'attorney' We all know that Laura and her shyster yes man do not qualify to have 'reasonable' before their names.
I so wish she goes to jail and Dingus too. I’m in Spain right now on vacation till November 10th and can’t catch up with all the information, but I like what I’m hearing right now. Thanks Dave 🌞
Correct but for more info for others the state brings the evidence they have to the grand jury and the grand jury determines after looking over the evidence and listening to testimony whether or not the evidence rises to the threshold of charges and if the state has a case. If they say yes then an indictment is put forth
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An indictment does not necessarily mean it’s a federal case, this would be a state indictment. I do hope she is charged, because she is not at all remorseful, but, rather, doubling down. It’s more than likely she will do this again. I would prefer to see her genuinely seek help, but that is unlikely.
Exactly. And while I definitely thing the evidence in this case is VERY strong, she would still have to be convicted by a jury of her peers. She’ll never take a plea deal though, it would completely go against her very nature.
Dave, she’s not going to the pen but she’s 100% getting booked in county jail. DOC IS 1 year sentence Minimum. They make burritos in county every Friday. Giddy up Laura
Laura needs 2 things: 1. A Section 12 where she is held for mental health eval & treatment. 2. JAIL I'm going to add an extra one- a VERY LARGE lawsuit again!
I don't understand get help. Her mother and sister need to step in now and say enough is enough you need help you need to admit it or your going to be in trouble..and get her real help... something is wrong
@@ExitSiignbeyond sad....well she learned to lie from her. They both need help then . I hope I wouldn't encourage this. I had a daughter with problems and I helped her and she helped herself because I told her when your ready I'm here. And I did it every three months. All I said is I love you this isn't right but I'm here for you but the clock is ticking...you have three months went the other two months said clock ticking I love you you have one month...one month this is it...clock ticking.. and she called ....but we didn't pull punches. Come on we know if we are watching when our kids are hurting
LO will not see time. She may be charged, but if "Guilty", she'll likely get deferred adjudication, where she will be given a lot of tasks to accomplish while on probation . That will very likely include mental health care. If she accomplishes all her tasks while not violating probation, then the jail term gets dismissed. If she fails, then she goes to jail for the full term of the original sentence. I doubt it will ever go to trial. She'll plead in a hearing. In and out in less than an hour
Absolutely nothing will happen with the case for the next few months. The Maricopa County prosecutor is up for re-election right now and there is a good chance she might lose her seat. If she does I wouldn't expect any real motion on this until the next prosecutor takes the position.
I’m not sure jail is the answer for her, treatment of some sort, yes. Above all, the dropping of PO/RO’s for her victims and the public exposure of that, is true justice. No matter what, she should not be allowed to block the publicity on this, she took it to the public, it should remain public. She is not the victim.
It's possible I missed it as my ADHD brain is real good at digressing, but did something new happen that makes you think they are actually going to prosecute her, or is this just about the judge saying she'll look into it? Because TBH I kinda wonder if she's just appeasing the masses.
The best & ONLY advice I can give you is to stop saying anything about federal crimes, time etc. She isn't being remotely looked at by the Feds.... Only state. The state of Arizona & that's def not federal, so maybe stop saying that. State crimes are still huge, can easily get her serious time, & yes, if they indict her, she'll have a harder time, especially if they arrest her rt away but, she will have a bond & being her family has money, she'll make that bond. Then, watch out, cause she's gone be in fire but she can truly hang herself if she does that. I don't know the law but I just didn't want you spreading untrue at statements. Just be careful!! Hugs!! I DO think AZ will charge her... just takes time. I watched Turtleboy last night (Aidan Kearney) who told the stories of his last year dealing with crazy. He had one pretend pregnancy & then abortion, when, if course, she wasn't pregnant to begin with. It's well worth it to listen to his story as it's incredible the hell he has gone through at the hands of three different women who are out for revenge... when is Revenge for his finding out she was stealing from him when working for him revenge for his finding out as a cop she was dealing drugs, and the third was merely a bipolar Nut Job who just decided to pretend she was pregnant she used the local assistant district attorney and set him up to be arrested and put in jail for 60 days! It's on the most recent 13th juror podcast episode if you'd like to see it. It's quite well worth the listen! He explain how difficult it was to tell these stories and that it's the first time he ever has. It's appalling all I could think of was Laura Owens the whole time I was listening . At least she has not gotten anyone put in jail that's about the only semi nice thing I can think of to say about her.
You lost all credibility citing turtle boy. If you don’t like what people talk about then open up your own channel, stop telling people what to talk about or what they can’t talk about .
"how did the court go with the crazy girl?" I almost spit out my water lmao
That was my favorite part
I got the biggest chuckle out of that question 😂😂😂
Great update Dave!! Laura deserves jail because that is truly the only thing that will stop her destructive and abusive behavior.
She’s sociopathic so she will probably never reform. She needs to be deterred with punishment.
Love how he phrased it too: “she deserves to get help but she won’t” he has empathy even after all this. #BFP #JFC
She has serious personality disorders. I'm putting my money on Borderline Personality Disorder. Very scary and criminal-like.
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Exactly. Good foe Clayton for having empathy on the woman who tried to ruin his entire life. I would be wishing her years in prison and years of suffering. Shame on her!
They need to put her away and demand she get some kind of treatment! What she has done is vile and disgusting! Ruining lives because people don’t want to date you is unhinged!
You literally can't make this sh*t up, she is absolutely unhinged and unwell.
Treatment is only for behavior that's caused by a medical condition and/or people who want to change. Bad character will remain if the perpetrator doesn't see it and work to be different.
She’ll get the prison treatment
She clearly has a personality disorder, which is a medical issue.
Her family is part of the problem I am guessing. She doesn’t seem capable of change. This is her to the core.
Yes to prison time!!! She will never take accountability.
LO will never take a plea deal. That’s admitting she’s a liar and I can’t see her entering a guilty plea. I really think she’s gonna sink with the titanic instead of admitting to her crimes.
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I’m here from The Bravo Docket! This case is absolutely insane lol
Dave has all the deets of this crazy case. Laura Owens is a horrible human!
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If there is a trial I WILL go to it too!
Thank you so much for continuing to keep us informed regarding all of this.
She absolutely deserves to go to jail.
I can't believe it's been a whole year..
Found Clayton’s pod RUclips and subscribed!
I don’t see a link in DN’s info 🙁
Link? 🙏
@@saraha5070 link ?
It’s called Beyond The Cover Podcast. I found it by searching the name..
@@Jennifer-12345.. thanks
Most plea deals in criminal cases involve pleading not guilty. Prosecutors often insist on a not-guilty plea deal. Part of the process for a not-guilty plea involves going into court, being put under oath, and then being examined by a judge. The judge will go through each element of the case and ask the person under oath whether the element of the story was true. The questions will be things like "did you submit sonograms you claimed were yours, but they were not yours?" If the person tries to go back on the plea deal the person can be prosecuted for purgery. In a lot of high-profile cases, the plea deal will include stipulations about writing books or otherwise profiting off the crime.
Prosecutors don't like wasting their time. They don't like to put resources into investigating a case and then walk away from it. The cases where prosecutors offer sweetheart plea deals are cases where the prosecutor did not do more than read the police report or where they know there is a serious flaw in the state's case. From what I have seen in the media, the Laura Owens case should be a strong one. It appears to have slam-dunk evidence against her. The prosecutors are putting time into the case. There is almost no political support for Owens; even other feminists see what she did as an offense against women with legitimate cases. The prosecutors are going to want a pound of flesh, and I doubt they will settle for a slap-on-the-wrist sentence in the case.
I am not a lawyer.
Please tell me this comment is some kind of satire?
Amazing update Dave 🎉
Yes! Yes to jail time! ❤
I hope you all are right about her being charged. The way she has exploited real tragedies people go through has to be stopped. Consequences are the only possibility for a wake up call for her and her mother.
Just learned yesterday that women considering IVF have to do hCg trigger shots at some point during the process. She probably bought some off of some unknown market source or being in Arizona maybe drove down to Mexico and purchased it from a fertility clinic. With $$$ anything is possible
you can get them at spa's in scottsdale very easily. HCG is used sometimes for weight loss.
@@mrsjessicasmithWow! I had no clue.
Well hopefully this all can resolve with all parties on a healing path and Clayton (+team) getting a solid chunk of the legal fees back.
The scene with Clayton pushing the chairs in ugh couldn’t have scripted that one. 😭 he has next level class, not just for that moment but for how he has spoken about her in every interview as well.
Indictment!!! Yes!!!
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I believe if indicted, she'll take an Alford Plea which means you admit that there is so much evidence against you that you'll probably be found guilty but you still maintain your innocence and never plead guilty.
A reasonable person with a professional attorney might take an Alford Plea. However, I'm not sure she's capable of reasonable.
That is the craziest plea ever, basically admitting you're crazy??!
@@amylynncreaney2245The issue with that is the word 'reasonable' before the words 'person' and 'attorney' We all know that Laura and her shyster yes man do not qualify to have 'reasonable' before their names.
Not all prosecutors and/or judges will allow for Alford pleas. So we’ll see.
Sad … her dad is a brilliant man…well respected in San Francisco Bay Area… but his daughter is very sick
I so wish she goes to jail and Dingus too. I’m in Spain right now on vacation till November 10th and can’t catch up with all the information, but I like what I’m hearing right now. Thanks Dave 🌞
The County Attorney doesn’t indict, a grand jury does.
Correct but for more info for others the state brings the evidence they have to the grand jury and the grand jury determines after looking over the evidence and listening to testimony whether or not the evidence rises to the threshold of charges and if the state has a case. If they say yes then an indictment is put forth
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I didn't know he had a RUclips channel!
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An indictment does not necessarily mean it’s a federal case, this would be a state indictment.
I do hope she is charged, because she is not at all remorseful, but, rather, doubling down. It’s more than likely she will do this again. I would prefer to see her genuinely seek help, but that is unlikely.
Narcissists never admit fault.
@@amyluyo agreed, I would bet she has a few other personality disorders thrown into the mix. in plain English, she’s a F$&king menace
Exactly. And while I definitely thing the evidence in this case is VERY strong, she would still have to be convicted by a jury of her peers. She’ll never take a plea deal though, it would completely go against her very nature.
LO needs to face reality and make a deal. This is bad for her.
She needs some jail time for the continuous personal harrassment she committed
I hope she gets 22 years lol and mental health counselling
I am going to subscribe to Clayton’s channel.
Maybe you could post the link to Clayton’s Channel?
This is a STATE case…not federal.
Dave, she’s not going to the pen but she’s 100% getting booked in county jail. DOC IS 1 year sentence
Minimum. They make burritos in county every Friday. Giddy up Laura
I have showed several people and they can't believe she has gotten away with it
She needs to be made an example of what happens when you commit perjury.
I was trying to subscribe to Clayton‘s channel but i can‘t find it .. Anyone knows how it‘s called ?
Try BeyondTheCoverPodcast
Laura needs 2 things: 1. A Section 12 where she is held for mental health eval & treatment. 2. JAIL I'm going to add an extra one- a VERY LARGE lawsuit again!
Jan & Gingras should have cells on each side of hers!
I can’t find Clayton’s channel. Can someone share it?
I don't understand get help. Her mother and sister need to step in now and say enough is enough you need help you need to admit it or your going to be in trouble..and get her real help... something is wrong
Her mother is the ring leader
The mom is an accomplice… she’s been caught out on video spinning lies (to the police, right?)
Her family is as awful as she.
@@ExitSiignbeyond sad....well she learned to lie from her. They both need help then . I hope I wouldn't encourage this. I had a daughter with problems and I helped her and she helped herself because I told her when your ready I'm here. And I did it every three months. All I said is I love you this isn't right but I'm here for you but the clock is ticking...you have three months went the other two months said clock ticking I love you you have one month...one month this is it...clock ticking.. and she called ....but we didn't pull punches. Come on we know if we are watching when our kids are hurting
LO will not see time. She may be charged, but if "Guilty", she'll likely get deferred adjudication, where she will be given a lot of tasks to accomplish while on probation . That will very likely include mental health care. If she accomplishes all her tasks while not violating probation, then the jail term gets dismissed. If she fails, then she goes to jail for the full term of the original sentence.
I doubt it will ever go to trial. She'll plead in a hearing. In and out in less than an hour
What is Clayton's Channel called?
The HCG you can get it from any doctors office if you use it for weight loss they are injections
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I think she won’t take a plea deal. She loves to double and triple down on her lies
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6:29 the only way over it is through it.
Absolutely nothing will happen with the case for the next few months. The Maricopa County prosecutor is up for re-election right now and there is a good chance she might lose her seat. If she does I wouldn't expect any real motion on this until the next prosecutor takes the position.
Yikes
@@morelove444 ya... and the new one is running on a progressive ticket, so she might ignore what Owens did because ...... reasons
@huma474 ...because what? Progressives are running a felon for President, or a prosecutor? 😂
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I’m not sure jail is the answer for her, treatment of some sort, yes. Above all, the dropping of PO/RO’s for her victims and the public exposure of that, is true justice. No matter what, she should not be allowed to block the publicity on this, she took it to the public, it should remain public. She is not the victim.
She needs to do some jail time. But more than that, she needs psychiatric help! So does her mother. And anybody that has helped her.
Struggling to find Clayton's new channel - can anyone assist? Want to go give him a follow.
It's possible I missed it as my ADHD brain is real good at digressing, but did something new happen that makes you think they are actually going to prosecute her, or is this just about the judge saying she'll look into it? Because TBH I kinda wonder if she's just appeasing the masses.
The best & ONLY advice I can give you is to stop saying anything about federal crimes, time etc. She isn't being remotely looked at by the Feds.... Only state. The state of Arizona & that's def not federal, so maybe stop saying that. State crimes are still huge, can easily get her serious time, & yes, if they indict her, she'll have a harder time, especially if they arrest her rt away but, she will have a bond & being her family has money, she'll make that bond. Then, watch out, cause she's gone be in fire but she can truly hang herself if she does that. I don't know the law but I just didn't want you spreading untrue at statements. Just be careful!! Hugs!! I DO think AZ will charge her... just takes time.
I watched Turtleboy last night (Aidan Kearney) who told the stories of his last year dealing with crazy. He had one pretend pregnancy & then abortion, when, if course, she wasn't pregnant to begin with. It's well worth it to listen to his story as it's incredible the hell he has gone through at the hands of three different women who are out for revenge... when is Revenge for his finding out she was stealing from him when working for him revenge for his finding out as a cop she was dealing drugs, and the third was merely a bipolar Nut Job who just decided to pretend she was pregnant she used the local assistant district attorney and set him up to be arrested and put in jail for 60 days! It's on the most recent 13th juror podcast episode if you'd like to see it. It's quite well worth the listen! He explain how difficult it was to tell these stories and that it's the first time he ever has. It's appalling all I could think of was Laura Owens the whole time I was listening . At least she has not gotten anyone put in jail that's about the only semi nice thing I can think of to say about her.
You lost all credibility citing turtle boy.
If you don’t like what people talk about then open up your own channel, stop telling people what to talk about or what they can’t talk about .
Laura is crazy. Clayton needs to take responsibility for doing what he did in the first place! Get some morals!!!
He did. He admitted publicly to being unprofessional and then tried to cut ties with her.
She's a histrionic & borderline mess!
He definitely has...
The energy talk from Clayton....yeesh. Pseudoscientific garbage.
Dave, stop spreading fake news lol. J/K
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I’m happy that they are wonderful hard working humans that are critical thinkers in this world ya give me hope 🥹