Mike - I haven’t been watching talk radio since the ‘invasion’ of Ukraine took place but I’m watching this because Peter Hitchens is nobody’s fool and always has thoughtful, dense and considered observations. I’m 77 years old and I’ve never encountered such propaganda in my puff.
@@MsChitterchat some certainly were planning for it on both sides. It all comes down to who could manufacture the best excuse for war. Nazi's under the bed really was below Putin's intellectual level, but seems to have some loving to swallow it.
@Peace is Good. Peter Hitchens started out as a committed trotskyist, so I take what he says on certain matters with a pinch of salt. He was based in Moscow for a number of years as a correspondent. Capitulation to Putin will just encourage him to attack the baltic states and commit further atrocities in the name of the glory of Russia 🇷🇺. From certain reports I have read, it would seem that the Russian military are not good at logistics.
Hitchens is a very wise man. I prefer him to his brother who was also brilliant. He nails it here - the thing to pursue is a quick end of this. The US seems to want this to go on like Afghanistan, and Zelansky seems to care more about being a Global hero oligarch than he does for his people or country.
Peter demands of all of us that we understand the detail, he then sets forward his perspective and at that point you can disagree or not with him. Always well constructed.
Hugely informative, good questions and Peter has long been brave, honest and fearless in telling uncomfortable truths. Helps greatly that he has actually lived in Russia and knows Ukraine too. As opposed to 95% of the media blowhards and bull artists who infest the MSM.
Peter Hitchens provides very important points on this issue and Mike would be wise to take these seriously. It's stupid to escalate and draw out a war. It's better to make some concessions for the sake of peace than to prolong a war and probably have no choice but to make those concessions anyway. Why do people think a no fly zone would cause a rapid withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine?
The mail on Sunday is so terrified of Peter Hitchens their own journalist, they won't even allow their own readers to comment on his column that he does, knowing that 99% of people agree with what he says, but they have to keep up the idea that he is the majority and the narrative they are pushing has to be pushed above all else. But you can leave comments on every other peice they publish. It's similar to the Guardian, they wont let you comment on any item they know will get posts that will go against the author of the peice, so they only allow comments on about 15% of their stories the vast majority being about Brexit and climate change, anything else the comments are closed. It really is pathetic, when they have to protect their precious stenographers ego's from comments that don't align with their views.
A no-fly would save thousands of innocents from current ongoing slaughter in plain sight. Seems to be irrelevant. The current histories of the USA, the west, and Russia's mistakes show very bad leadership and massive profiteering currently in the guise of fake-'woke' propaganda, the Covid stock market, and unprecedented gov. profiteering. Does anyone know that! The rich fool's departure from the hard-earned Afghan base's relative quiet told Putin, "Now". (Among all the past & present blunders.) Reeks of uneducated and undereducated leaders and gov. corruption.
@@annharding9634 it never saved lives in Syria which had a /cough UN no fly zone. Assad was able to still barrel bomb cities and towns using helicopters. Also the war shows more a fear of Putins government of his armies generals. He has kept them at low moral and with poor leaders to prevent them having a coup. Even the Russian mafia bully the troops ffs.
14:00 - "You mustn't assume that because this thing is explicable, that it is justifiable". Peter Hitchens. Brilliant ... Hitchens is so informed and clear about this ... everyone in the world should here this guy talk on the subject of Ukraine/Russia.
Such a wise man, is Mr Hitchens. Very few people ever point out that The West have done and still does exactly the same as those countries whom the west excoriates. America in particular.
Mike is great. But out of his depth on geopolitical issues. He doesn't get that the Russian invasion is the result of decades of foolish meddling. Or that since 2014 we have been involved in something very similar to a proxy war in Ukraine, leading to the current tragedy.
Talking about response to provocation reminds me of what Hunter Thompson said about the Hell's Angels.............they never attacked unless provoked, trouble was their definition of provocation was VERY broad
I couldn't get past the first few moments of the video where you seem to be in some confusion about Russia's aims. I think it would be helpful if we were to occasionally listen to what the Russians are saying. "Russia has done everything to preserve Ukraine’s territorial integrity. All these years, it has persistently and patiently pushed for the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 2202 of February 17, 2015, which consolidated the Minsk Package of Measures of February 12, 2015, to settle the situation in Donbass." -- from the Address by the President of the Russian Federation, 21/02/2022. From the Minsk agreements, haven't we known for years what the Russian demands were? I have listened to an interview with General Macgregor, and he seems to understand where the Russians are coming from. Perhaps the West should be giving them a little more respect, be a little less bullying, and have their own ideas a little more based in reality.
I very much hope this is naivety. No one should ever give in to Russia. Understand their psychology - as is accepted by all bandits - kindness or understanding they interpret as a sign of weakness and demand more and more.
FFS, if you want accurate information about what's going on in Ukraine, see "the DURRAN". They have actually got people in Ukraine that give you up to date information regarding the situation, no guessing, just facts. Try it, you might learn something
Flattening cities is propaganda. There are buildings being shot at, but that is because the Ukranian army takes cover in civilian areas and buildings If Russia were to truly flatten cities as you mentioned, a couple of airstrikes and it would be done
Brilliant debate peter has some great points we should take note makes me wonder if our politicians have the nouse to see what is happening around them
why does the interviewing plonker refuse to debate or try to comprehend the context? American soldiers are walking around places like Warsaw waving to their subjects. Tragic
I really don’t agree with Hitchens constant anti-war sentiment. There is such a thing as a just war and defending oneself to the death is more noble than surrendering to tyranny. It may not be easy, and I’d probably not have the courage to do it, but it is the noble option.
Peter’s reference to putting oneself in the shoes of the other guy is precisely what the American Prof John Mearsheimer has posited for years in his very adult approach to geopolitics. Where are the grown ups in the room?
Is the question regarding having a moral compass knowing where the line is drawn?.F1 and football payers take the knee for racial equality yet do not mind the continuation of advancing their wealth at the expense of quite vicious policies in the countries they visit and take the hospitality as well as the cash? The West has just as much a history of interference and invasion as the Russians have. This really comes down to the elite having the power to do so ,as the elite do not take part in the invasion and the kill or be killed actions of the war they start or for that matter suffer to any degree when the poor people of a country are told their bills, food, and utilities will be more than they can afford yet the politicians never suffer the experience of the people. The fact that a small group of [often corrupt] elitists can send the people to wars and in the ultimat case destroy this earth ...something is seriously illogical is it not?
They are not actually flattening cities. That is not their aim, Mike Graham should do some homework on the conflict starting from at least 2014 and why Ukraine is where it is today. The Russians conduct their battles a lot different to the US and the West who flatten cities completely hence why you still have the problems in Iraq for instance.
@@susannamarker2582 Napoleon wasn't French..He was Corsican. But I do see your point.. The French were no better than the English when came to colonialism.
Haven't watched it, but does it go along the lines of Peter saying everything is awful compared to how awful it used to be? And Mike calling everyone else work-shy?
If Peter was around in ww2 he’d say surrender, have a swift end to the war .. good job he wasn’t . Utterly ridiculous thinking to just surrender, give up your country to an invader . He’s way off here way off
Hitchens is just all over the place on this topic, hates sanctions and war but has no alternative other than "a deal" whatever that means. He wants the war to end so much that he seems to be disappointed that Ukraine has the equipment to defend itself. I was a PH fan during lockdown but he's losing my respect rapidly with this woolly headed, pacifist, wishful thinking.
Is there nothing that Mr Hitchens doesn't find "preposterous" or "completely baffling" or "absurd"? Ironic really, because it is hard to imagine a more preposterous and completely baffling absurdity than Hitchens himself.
Well, I really liked Christopher Hitchens when it comes to his perspectives on religion. But his support of the US wars and hegemony was inconsistent at best.
I'm always looking forward to the debates, discussions, disagreements and banter of these two. Thank you !
Not sure there is any banter
Mike - I haven’t been watching talk radio since the ‘invasion’ of Ukraine took place but I’m watching this because Peter Hitchens is nobody’s fool and always has thoughtful, dense and considered observations. I’m 77 years old and I’ve never encountered such propaganda in my puff.
@Peace is Good. are you ex military then or another keyboard Walt 🤔?
@Peace is Good. Nonsense. This war has been created by the west.
@@MsChitterchat has it fuck
@@MsChitterchat some certainly were planning for it on both sides. It all comes down to who could manufacture the best excuse for war. Nazi's under the bed really was below Putin's intellectual level, but seems to have some loving to swallow it.
@Peace is Good. Peter Hitchens started out as a committed trotskyist, so I take what he says on certain matters with a pinch of salt. He was based in Moscow for a number of years as a correspondent. Capitulation to Putin will just encourage him to attack the baltic states and commit further atrocities in the name of the glory of Russia 🇷🇺. From certain reports I have read, it would seem that the Russian military are not good at logistics.
Peter is an unsung hero ahead of his time 👏👏👏
Talk about the Azov Battalion ffs and the shelling of Donbass for the past 8 years this didn't simply start over night it's been brewing since 2014.
noo. facts aren't welcome here
Yep. Too busy profiteering from S.A., China, Russia, even Ukraine, et al. Blinded by greed.
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That hardly gets mentioned as it doesn't suit the narrative and Zelensky is a hero who hasn't been killing people in Dombas.
Why don't you have a nice little fluffy chat about Klaus Schwab? This war is just in the long term game plan!!
Hitchens was balanced and on point in this one, commonsense indeed!
In contrast to 3 chins ,who was all over the place .
Mike and Peter are always worth listening to, Peter makes a great deal of sense if you actually listen to what is says
Exactly - he is looking past all the propaganda and emotional BS ... the best thing is to end hostilities ASAP.
Hitchens is a very wise man. I prefer him to his brother who was also brilliant. He nails it here - the thing to pursue is a quick end of this. The US seems to want this to go on like Afghanistan, and Zelansky seems to care more about being a Global hero oligarch than he does for his people or country.
Talkradio has been so awful on this issue. Full neocon propaganda. Thank God for Peter Hitchens.
The Duran
@@hejla4524 pretty good yes.
@@hejla4524 Yes.
I don't listen/watch talk radio now apart from MR H coming on
Peter demands of all of us that we understand the detail, he then sets forward his perspective and at that point you can disagree or not with him. Always well constructed.
Hugely informative, good questions and Peter has long been brave, honest and fearless in telling uncomfortable truths. Helps greatly that he has actually lived in Russia and knows Ukraine too. As opposed to 95% of the media blowhards and bull artists who infest the MSM.
PH is steeped in reality when most other commentators have treated it like a Disney tale of good vs bad
Yes. Correct.
Peter Hitchens provides very important points on this issue and Mike would be wise to take these seriously. It's stupid to escalate and draw out a war. It's better to make some concessions for the sake of peace than to prolong a war and probably have no choice but to make those concessions anyway. Why do people think a no fly zone would cause a rapid withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine?
The mail on Sunday is so terrified of Peter Hitchens their own journalist, they won't even allow their own readers to comment on his column that he does, knowing that 99% of people agree with what he says, but they have to keep up the idea that he is the majority and the narrative they are pushing has to be pushed above all else. But you can leave comments on every other peice they publish. It's similar to the Guardian, they wont let you comment on any item they know will get posts that will go against the author of the peice, so they only allow comments on about 15% of their stories the vast majority being about Brexit and climate change, anything else the comments are closed. It really is pathetic, when they have to protect their precious stenographers ego's from comments that don't align with their views.
A no-fly would save thousands of innocents from current ongoing slaughter in plain sight. Seems to be irrelevant. The current histories of the USA, the west, and Russia's mistakes show very bad leadership and massive profiteering currently in the guise of fake-'woke' propaganda, the Covid stock market, and unprecedented gov. profiteering. Does anyone know that!
The rich fool's departure from the hard-earned Afghan base's relative quiet told Putin, "Now".
(Among all the past & present blunders.)
Reeks of uneducated and undereducated leaders and gov. corruption.
@@1977dclinton So comment on Peter’s blog that always leaves comments open then.
@@annharding9634 it never saved lives in Syria which had a /cough UN no fly zone. Assad was able to still barrel bomb cities and towns using helicopters. Also the war shows more a fear of Putins government of his armies generals. He has kept them at low moral and with poor leaders to prevent them having a coup. Even the Russian mafia bully the troops ffs.
@@annharding9634 A no fly zone would not save any lives it would just lead to a wider conflict. People advocating this have no idea.
14:00 - "You mustn't assume that because this thing is explicable, that it is justifiable". Peter Hitchens.
Brilliant ... Hitchens is so informed and clear about this ... everyone in the world should here this guy talk on the subject of Ukraine/Russia.
Another brilliant informative discussion. Thankyou
Hitchens Half Hour. 18 minutes of an interview, 12 of adverts. Start your own RUclips channel Mr Hitchens. It’s time.
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Such a wise man, is Mr Hitchens. Very few people ever point out that The West have done and still does exactly the same as those countries whom the west excoriates. America in particular.
Mr Peter Hitchens is stallwart, intelligent and wise.
And a shill !
Mike has avoided engaging with the context of this invasion and here again he changes topic when Peter raises it.
Yes. It is a struggle for him. Btw. He appears to be thinking about more than the conversation and it is too much.
Mike is mentally lightweight at best.
Brilliant
I have said this before - Mike Graham is insufficiently intelligent to have these conversations and debates. I still like him.
I used to like him, but you are bang on.
Mike is great. But out of his depth on geopolitical issues. He doesn't get that the Russian invasion is the result of decades of foolish meddling. Or that since 2014 we have been involved in something very similar to a proxy war in Ukraine, leading to the current tragedy.
@@banjo1434 agree
@@banjo1434 I agree Banjo. Cheers
Talking about response to provocation reminds me of what Hunter Thompson said about the Hell's Angels.............they never attacked unless provoked, trouble was their definition of provocation was VERY broad
That's a very interesting comment
The Duran is doing a fantastic job
covering the kerfuffle. Be well.
Excellent.
Been faithful fan of peter
The inquiry will exonerate the government: the frames of reference will be selected to enable that.
Everything is rigged that's where we are in time
I’m getting quite tired of listening to Hitchens, I just can’t find anything to disagree with him on! ;-)
The West could learn a lot from the Middle East 😉
I couldn't get past the first few moments of the video where you seem to be in some confusion about Russia's aims.
I think it would be helpful if we were to occasionally listen to what the Russians are saying.
"Russia has done everything to preserve Ukraine’s territorial integrity. All these years, it has persistently and patiently pushed for the implementation of UN Security Council Resolution 2202 of February 17, 2015, which consolidated the Minsk Package of Measures of February 12, 2015, to settle the situation in Donbass." -- from the Address by the President of the Russian Federation, 21/02/2022.
From the Minsk agreements, haven't we known for years what the Russian demands were? I have listened to an interview with General Macgregor, and he seems to understand where the Russians are coming from. Perhaps the West should be giving them a little more respect, be a little less bullying, and have their own ideas a little more based in reality.
I very much hope this is naivety. No one should ever give in to Russia. Understand their psychology - as is accepted by all bandits - kindness or understanding they interpret as a sign of weakness and demand more and more.
Karlis Karlis. The USA are the evil of this world. They need bringing down a peg or two.
FFS, if you want accurate information about what's going on in Ukraine, see "the DURRAN".
They have actually got people in Ukraine that give you up to date information regarding the situation, no guessing, just facts. Try it, you might learn something
Flattening cities is propaganda. There are buildings being shot at, but that is because the Ukranian army takes cover in civilian areas and buildings
If Russia were to truly flatten cities as you mentioned, a couple of airstrikes and it would be done
The chunky guy seems a bit dim and a trouble maker in this debate
The sooner they stop the better, we praying!!
Putin has made his point and has pretty well achieved his aims.
Peter points out subtly that the neocon attitude of the west/ us
Over 30 years have brought us to the edge of distruction.
Brilliant debate peter has some great points we should take note makes me wonder if our politicians have the nouse to see what is happening around them
Hitchens is correct whoever wins a speedy end is best.
So you slag off Russell Brand in plank of the week and then admit that YOU don't vote either.
@@Paul-zu2he couldn't agree more
What a rotten world, just like old testament times.
why does the interviewing plonker refuse to debate or try to comprehend the context? American soldiers are walking around places like Warsaw waving to their subjects. Tragic
My missus is Russian. Her auntie is a paediatric doctor living in Kiev. I've k own for months American servicemen were in Ukraine
When will you start discussing The Great Reset??? This tiresome.
Well - don't hold up your hopes yet. Remember that Mike said only a few months ago that it was a "tinfoil hat conspiracy theory".
I really don’t agree with Hitchens constant anti-war sentiment. There is such a thing as a just war and defending oneself to the death is more noble than surrendering to tyranny. It may not be easy, and I’d probably not have the courage to do it, but it is the noble option.
Gordon Brown has no room to cast any stones. Idiocy.
Case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Always interesting!
Peter’s reference to putting oneself in the shoes of the other guy is precisely what the American Prof John Mearsheimer has posited for years in his very adult approach to geopolitics. Where are the grown ups in the room?
Educated grown-ups are about 35% of the population in the west. Many are under threat.
Very few adults now.
Someone tell Peter that he is too close to the camera which does not make him look good.
Is the question regarding having a moral compass knowing where the line is drawn?.F1 and football payers take the knee for racial equality yet do not mind the continuation of advancing their wealth at the expense of quite vicious policies in the countries they visit and take the hospitality as well as the cash? The West has just as much a history of interference and invasion as the Russians have. This really comes down to the elite having the power to do so ,as the elite do not take part in the invasion and the kill or be killed actions of the war they start or for that matter suffer to any degree when the poor people of a country are told their bills, food, and utilities will be more than they can afford yet the politicians never suffer the experience of the people. The fact that a small group of [often corrupt] elitists can send the people to wars and in the ultimat case destroy this earth ...something is seriously illogical is it not?
They are not actually flattening cities. That is not their aim, Mike Graham should do some homework on the conflict starting from at least 2014 and why Ukraine is where it is today. The Russians conduct their battles a lot different to the US and the West who flatten cities completely hence why you still have the problems in Iraq for instance.
Kremlin troll? Just goole Mariopul.
I love hearing the Brits talk about the morality of invaliding other countries... The Brits.. The country that bragged that the sun never set on it.
Napoleon reimposed slavery on Haiti, after making it pay for its freedom, so maybe you French are not as fantastic as you think.
@@susannamarker2582 Napoleon wasn't French..He was Corsican. But I do see your point.. The French were no better than the English when came to colonialism.
@@gerardgauthier4876 Don't split hairs, he was Emperor of France.
@Steve Ruddick Exactly.
@Steve Ruddick Agenda! Oh please tell me what my agenda is.
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11:18 there you. Took a while but they finally got there.
I think the Russians now have a haul of Javelin anti tank weapons
Haven't watched it, but does it go along the lines of Peter saying everything is awful compared to how awful it used to be? And Mike calling everyone else work-shy?
No.
wow you have no idea what thy are doing - look at Syria - Watch Scott Ritter explanation.
See Herbert Butterfield: ‘The Scientific versus the Moralistic Approach in International Affairs’. International Affairs (1951) Volume 27: 411 422.
Mike can’t wait to get home and grow some concrete!
If Peter was around in ww2 he’d say surrender, have a swift end to the war .. good job he wasn’t . Utterly ridiculous thinking to just surrender, give up your country to an invader . He’s way off here way off
Hitchens is just all over the place on this topic, hates sanctions and war but has no alternative other than "a deal" whatever that means. He wants the war to end so much that he seems to be disappointed that Ukraine has the equipment to defend itself. I was a PH fan during lockdown but he's losing my respect rapidly with this woolly headed, pacifist, wishful thinking.
He is just a wise man and sorry for dying and fleeing people.
Propaganda
Is there nothing that Mr Hitchens doesn't find "preposterous" or "completely baffling" or "absurd"? Ironic really, because it is hard to imagine a more preposterous and completely baffling absurdity than Hitchens himself.
Peter “Revisionist” Hitchens rides again.
Hitchens is a coward.
Forever living in his brother's shadow.
Wrong.
@@gerardk51 Right.
Well, I really liked Christopher Hitchens when it comes to his perspectives on religion. But his support of the US wars and hegemony was inconsistent at best.
@@free9200 Peter was and is way ahead of Christopher. CH was just more"hip". The girls liked him. He was popular. Peter casts a much bigger shadow.
Trump would have already handed over Ukraine to his pal.
The lesser Hitchens