Hi, nice video. I really love it. However, when i try to use this, sometime it will not happen as you mention in this video (targeting the frontmost hero when LM is in defending team) I suspect that LM targeting is base on animation skill, not the position. I your video, Bryan always get interrupt because he has faster casting animation than Eiron. In my case, in arena Map 5 with instant ult tile, i place Heawyn in the back while Thoran on the front. Thoran will get interrupt every time, except the case when Heawyn got enlightening spell artifact. Not sure you have any new knowledge about how LM targeting work? But i still appreciate your every great video in this channel
Hey! thank you for the comment, that is interesting observation. I have actually noticed something strange happening with the map 5 as well, but I didn't really look into it that much. I think the "rules/findings" that I mentioned here, do still apply for maps without the instant ultimate tiles, but I think the "instant ultimate tiles" mess the order up. My initial though with the instant ultimate tiles is, that it takes a second for the "instant ultimate tile" to fill the energy of the hero -> so if there is a hero like Eironn/Bryon that start with full energy -> they will be always interrupted first no matter the placment. Because it takes a second for the energy to fill -> it could be that some heroes will start casting other skills -> depending on the length of that cast animation -> they will then start casting ultimates -> so the position does not matter anymore. But I can look into it more :)
Ok, so I looked into it a little bit and I think I found the reason! Let's use Thoran and Hewynn as examples because you mentioned them. If you go into the skill description and look at the ultimate skills -> underneath the name of the skill, there is "cooldown"/"range"/"initial energy" -> Thoran ultimate has "initial cd 1second" and Hewynn ultimate has "initial cd 1.25 second" -> So what I think that means is that thoran will always ultimate first = he gets interrupted (by default). But there might be some things that still change the order, like if thoran gets CCd during that 1.25 second or maybe if the skill has rang 1 but there is no1 in range, he will start walking before ult?
Thank you so much, great info, I really value your testing. Can you test her against an enemy Reinier? some people say she is immune to his swap, since she is unaffected at the start of the battle.
I have a suggestion for you to look into. I often see this lineup: Thoran, Arden, Eironn, Hewynn, Damian (double heal) team on the defensive side. Do you have any suggestions against this team? I would love to see a video on this. Your videos helped a lot. I went from the 150th place to the top 50 in about 2 weeks. Thank you very much for your work!
Hey, thanks for the idea and great to hear that you reached top 50! Yes that is indeed pretty common team before people get Scarlita, after that people often replace the Arden in that team with Scarlita. Currently on my server not maybe people are using that team in top 20, because they have Scarlita already. I wonder If I have some records with fights against that team. I would say that if you can find a kill on Hewynn/Arden that is your best chance, but it depends how well the defense team is placed how easy that is. Vala can get that done, Shakir can be effective, Scarlita, if they let you swap something with reinier (even if they let you swat damian, you can try to swap Odie to the backline). Something like Odie,Koko,Hewyn Core can also work against that team, if your healers can keep your team alive against enemy thoran.
Yea I had the same results when I attacked against lily may, using bryon and eironn she always blocked front most when she is on defense. Nice video man.
hmm... Yeh I can try to collect some info on that :) I'm sure these teams will become more common as time goes on. She is a tricky one, I've had some success with Vala targeting her, but sometimes she completely dodges Vala mark and I'm not 100% sure when the mark sticks
Hey, I would say that it depends on your rank/server how effective that will be. I used to have that exact defense even before Lily May and it does win here and there. The thing with any Eironn + 2 dps teams on defense is that, if someone knows how to attack against them, they are pretty easy to beat. I would say that if you do use that team, your best option is to almost have your Arden at back with enlightening spell (but this leaves him open for Vala targeting so If you see that happening, you have to switch it up). For a while I have used shakir on my defense, because he seems to boost my WR against Wilder nuke teams and has some chance at tanking Skarlitas
i just lost 5 in a row defense leaving bryon on arena 3, put him on that front two tiles divided by low wall, but all opponent lily mays dove straight to my backline eiron... weirdly enough I always use that place on attack to counter defense lily, this sht is wack
Yeh, that's how it works for some reason. It's the opposite order for attacking / defending.... If you are attacking your Bryon needs to be at front. If you are defending your Bryon needs to be at back.
It can be because of many reasons. Enlightening spell on your Alsa will prevent your Alsa from being swapped, enlightening spell on enemy swap target will prevent them from being swapped (you Alsa will still be swapped to the enemy side). Some heroes cannot be swapped (Damian, Ludovic, Rhys, Igor, Scarlita etc), but your Alsa should be still swapped. Sometimes Reinier can be stunned before the swap happens (Erionn+Ulmus, I think Silvina can stun him, Enemy Reinier in some caeses, Enemy Alsa I think).... and the list of reasons go on :D
@@ElfeYT From my observation, Alsa creates rocks and stuns enemy which should be swapped. And then swap doesn't happen. But I'm not sure is this the reason
@@Xytryn hmm.. maybe, honestly I'm not sure without doing some testing. In general I would say that stunning the swap target should not prevent the swap from happening because you can for example stun the enemy swap target with Silvina before the swap happens, but they will be still swapped
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great video, thank you!
Hi, nice video. I really love it.
However, when i try to use this, sometime it will not happen as you mention in this video (targeting the frontmost hero when LM is in defending team)
I suspect that LM targeting is base on animation skill, not the position. I your video, Bryan always get interrupt because he has faster casting animation than Eiron.
In my case, in arena Map 5 with instant ult tile, i place Heawyn in the back while Thoran on the front. Thoran will get interrupt every time, except the case when Heawyn got enlightening spell artifact.
Not sure you have any new knowledge about how LM targeting work? But i still appreciate your every great video in this channel
Hey! thank you for the comment, that is interesting observation. I have actually noticed something strange happening with the map 5 as well, but I didn't really look into it that much. I think the "rules/findings" that I mentioned here, do still apply for maps without the instant ultimate tiles, but I think the "instant ultimate tiles" mess the order up. My initial though with the instant ultimate tiles is, that it takes a second for the "instant ultimate tile" to fill the energy of the hero -> so if there is a hero like Eironn/Bryon that start with full energy -> they will be always interrupted first no matter the placment. Because it takes a second for the energy to fill -> it could be that some heroes will start casting other skills -> depending on the length of that cast animation -> they will then start casting ultimates -> so the position does not matter anymore. But I can look into it more :)
Ok, so I looked into it a little bit and I think I found the reason! Let's use Thoran and Hewynn as examples because you mentioned them. If you go into the skill description and look at the ultimate skills -> underneath the name of the skill, there is "cooldown"/"range"/"initial energy" -> Thoran ultimate has "initial cd 1second" and Hewynn ultimate has "initial cd 1.25 second" -> So what I think that means is that thoran will always ultimate first = he gets interrupted (by default). But there might be some things that still change the order, like if thoran gets CCd during that 1.25 second or maybe if the skill has rang 1 but there is no1 in range, he will start walking before ult?
Thank you so much, great info, I really value your testing.
Can you test her against an enemy Reinier? some people say she is immune to his swap, since she is unaffected at the start of the battle.
I have a suggestion for you to look into. I often see this lineup: Thoran, Arden, Eironn, Hewynn, Damian (double heal) team on the defensive side. Do you have any suggestions against this team? I would love to see a video on this. Your videos helped a lot. I went from the 150th place to the top 50 in about 2 weeks. Thank you very much for your work!
Hey, thanks for the idea and great to hear that you reached top 50! Yes that is indeed pretty common team before people get Scarlita, after that people often replace the Arden in that team with Scarlita. Currently on my server not maybe people are using that team in top 20, because they have Scarlita already. I wonder If I have some records with fights against that team. I would say that if you can find a kill on Hewynn/Arden that is your best chance, but it depends how well the defense team is placed how easy that is. Vala can get that done, Shakir can be effective, Scarlita, if they let you swap something with reinier (even if they let you swat damian, you can try to swap Odie to the backline). Something like Odie,Koko,Hewyn Core can also work against that team, if your healers can keep your team alive against enemy thoran.
Yea I had the same results when I attacked against lily may, using bryon and eironn she always blocked front most when she is on defense. Nice video man.
can you do a video on how to counter Lily May teams with/without Lily May? thanks! Great Content btw!
hmm... Yeh I can try to collect some info on that :) I'm sure these teams will become more common as time goes on. She is a tricky one, I've had some success with Vala targeting her, but sometimes she completely dodges Vala mark and I'm not 100% sure when the mark sticks
Hi any update with bryon on defense? Im planning to use bryon, thoran, eironn, arden and damian.
Hey, I would say that it depends on your rank/server how effective that will be. I used to have that exact defense even before Lily May and it does win here and there. The thing with any Eironn + 2 dps teams on defense is that, if someone knows how to attack against them, they are pretty easy to beat. I would say that if you do use that team, your best option is to almost have your Arden at back with enlightening spell (but this leaves him open for Vala targeting so If you see that happening, you have to switch it up). For a while I have used shakir on my defense, because he seems to boost my WR against Wilder nuke teams and has some chance at tanking Skarlitas
i just lost 5 in a row defense leaving bryon on arena 3, put him on that front two tiles divided by low wall, but all opponent lily mays dove straight to my backline eiron... weirdly enough I always use that place on attack to counter defense lily, this sht is wack
Yeh, that's how it works for some reason. It's the opposite order for attacking / defending.... If you are attacking your Bryon needs to be at front. If you are defending your Bryon needs to be at back.
Sometimes my Reinier doesn't swap when I use Alsa. Why is it like this?
It can be because of many reasons. Enlightening spell on your Alsa will prevent your Alsa from being swapped, enlightening spell on enemy swap target will prevent them from being swapped (you Alsa will still be swapped to the enemy side). Some heroes cannot be swapped (Damian, Ludovic, Rhys, Igor, Scarlita etc), but your Alsa should be still swapped. Sometimes Reinier can be stunned before the swap happens (Erionn+Ulmus, I think Silvina can stun him, Enemy Reinier in some caeses, Enemy Alsa I think).... and the list of reasons go on :D
@@ElfeYT From my observation, Alsa creates rocks and stuns enemy which should be swapped. And then swap doesn't happen. But I'm not sure is this the reason
@@Xytryn hmm.. maybe, honestly I'm not sure without doing some testing. In general I would say that stunning the swap target should not prevent the swap from happening because you can for example stun the enemy swap target with Silvina before the swap happens, but they will be still swapped