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unfortunately I don't know right now because I have not done any testing against it (my server does not have it). Against Dionel comps on normal arena, people used to do Vala+Lily May, or Vala+Silvina+Reinier to target dionel, I think that could maybe work, because these heroes don't really "need" ultimate to do damage

Lenya buffed by Reinier and Brutus on tiles, Mikola, Shakir front, greatsword artifact

@@Dracias Nice, I've not seen many Lenyas either, but she is probably good in this game mode?

nvm i just read the comment xdd sorry

@@PeskyxCat haha yeh! thanks for the comment anyway

Yeh, this has been my experience as well, I don't think I've ever seen defending Lily Interrupt anything else than Eironn/Bryon and based on that I made the "conclusion" that they are treated differently compared to the instant tiles. Unfortunately I was not able to figure out why this happens when Attacking... maybe it's a bug, maybe it has something to do with attack side having "priority" over defense side (for example attacking silvina can stun defending silvina when battle starts)..... I've also noticed annoying things like Eironn pull moving heroes that are supposed to have enlightening spell at the start of the battle

I would say that M+ +10 presto can work for sure, I would give it a try at least, but he gets better with the +15 giving ability resummon the copy

@@ElfeYT Working for now, im farming almost everyone lol xD thanks

@@DeadISR Nice! Yeh Phraesto is really good for pvp in my opinnion, very flexible

Yeh, that's how it works for some reason. It's the opposite order for attacking / defending.... If you are attacking your Bryon needs to be at front. If you are defending your Bryon needs to be at back.

My ISP is blocking access to the google sheet file - sadly :/

@@zacharytresidentdigimonenj3397 hmm... I wonder is there anything I can do to fix that?

Yeh, I could probably do something like that for sure :)

@@ElfeYT probably not, nobworries. more so posted it because I'm curious if others are experiencing the same thing.

From what I understand, you get the grand prize at the end of the whole event. Everyone should get it then based on the tier that your guild is. The first "full battle" ends tomorrow and you will get some prizes, but not the grand prize.

@@ElfeYT thanks that makes sense

Yeh I saw a lot people messaging that they had issues 😓 hopefully it's working by now, I didn't have many issues personally

Yep, it will not take a lot of time

Yeh, good thinking! tho for many f2p/low spenders that alone is not enough value to prioritize pulling for her

But if she just gets cancelled by lily it's all over.

It's a bit hard to say, I agree that defensive team sounds like the way to go, but few of these teams were pretty defensive (Scarlita/LM/Presto/Hewynn || Thoran/Hewynn/Damian/LM) but she still didn't necessarily do that much every time. I also think that she can shine if enemies are grouped up, but if they are spread far apart, her damage is not as effective, because most of her skills are AOE damage in 1-2 tile range)

@@nosananolife5653 if shes strong/annoying enough to force the enemy to use their lily may attack team against her in the higher end of supreme arena, then thats a huge win already

Yes.

sounds like worth trying for sure

Yeh, it's way to early to say how good she is, need a lot more testing with different teams. She defensively has her weaknesses, like in some fights she does not do much. At the same time she can do a lot of damage in some fights, so if you can build consistent team to allow that to happen she has potential for sure.

Update: I placed my defense with Koko at the back instant ulti tile and Eironn in front of him - but my Eironn was interrupted first every time (9 times in total)

​@@ElfeYT is Koko get enlightening spell when he got interrupted first. The enlightening spell have mess the interupt order for me as well in my case is it is Thoran and Heawyn, every time Thoran got interrupt except when heawyn got enlightening spell Again, thank for your great video, I share your channel for the PVP lover as well since your content is very useful. Im not sure is Thalene is becoming the meta for arena defend with map 5 in your server, if your know a good attacking team for Thalene Team, could you share the idea with me

Hmm... interesting, could you post me image of your placement on Discord / in game? From all my testings it has always been Erionn who gets interrupted, but Koko does also have inital CD 0 cooldown ultimate, so maybe they do cast their ultimate at the same time 🤔 and then if that's the case it should be about placement -> If you are attacking if Koko is in front of Eironn she gets interrupted - on defense if Koko is behind Eironn she gets interrupted

I just tested attacking with Koko,Eironn and Talene and Eironn got interrupted 🤔 Eironn was placed at the very back bottom tile next to Koko in instant tile and Talene at front instant tile

@@ElfeYT where can i find your discord ? When i attacked or defensed both koko were at the back buff tile and eiron was at the front.

@@Sizaky44 I don't currently have a discord server, but you directly message me, You can find me from the AFKJ official discord "creatorzone" or with id "_elfe"

Happy to hear that! Yeh she is and I'm sure I still missed some 😅

Hey! thank you for the comment, that is interesting observation. I have actually noticed something strange happening with the map 5 as well, but I didn't really look into it that much. I think the "rules/findings" that I mentioned here, do still apply for maps without the instant ultimate tiles, but I think the "instant ultimate tiles" mess the order up. My initial though with the instant ultimate tiles is, that it takes a second for the "instant ultimate tile" to fill the energy of the hero -> so if there is a hero like Eironn/Bryon that start with full energy -> they will be always interrupted first no matter the placment. Because it takes a second for the energy to fill -> it could be that some heroes will start casting other skills -> depending on the length of that cast animation -> they will then start casting ultimates -> so the position does not matter anymore. But I can look into it more :)

Ok, so I looked into it a little bit and I think I found the reason! Let's use Thoran and Hewynn as examples because you mentioned them. If you go into the skill description and look at the ultimate skills -> underneath the name of the skill, there is "cooldown"/"range"/"initial energy" -> Thoran ultimate has "initial cd 1second" and Hewynn ultimate has "initial cd 1.25 second" -> So what I think that means is that thoran will always ultimate first = he gets interrupted (by default). But there might be some things that still change the order, like if thoran gets CCd during that 1.25 second or maybe if the skill has rang 1 but there is no1 in range, he will start walking before ult?

He is very nice for Normal Arena and Supreme Arena and has some use in PVE modes as well. If you already have Lily May/Scarlita/Talene/Phresto, then hes value might drop some in normal arena, tho you can probably still make a team around him.

Hey, to be honest, I have not done a lot of testing with Lily May on attack because I only recently got her to Supreme. If you have Scarlita or LM, I would definitely try building a team around them. I have been using Shakir,Koko,Odie,Antandra, Ludovic to win against that team with pretty good winrate lately, but you could try swapping some the heroes out. Like instead of Odie try using LM, or try something like Odie,LM,Antandra + Second tank & Support (Shakir, Eironn, Damian, hewynn). Or if you have phraesto, I would test using him in the mix for sure

hehe, yeh, that is a good question 😅 A lot of it depends on what other heroes they use and the placement, but If they use Phraesto + Scarlita + LM, it's really hard to do I'm afraid. AOE like Taline/Arden/Shakir can work. Scarlita can work. Sometimes Vala can work if they leave important heroes at the back.

Thank you for the comment, I plan to make more at some point for sure :)

Nice! let's hope you get it soon. I think it's pretty good way to use your Dream Fragments for example, since they don't seem to be updating that store very often -> I bought like 30 copies of Arden during the last/this month. I have not really been looking into the new heroes that are coming up, but I'm 1 copy away from S+ Lily and 2 copies away from S+ Ulmus, so I'm interested in doing some testing with them. Also I kind of want to test Mikola in PVP, but I think that won't go very well 😅

@@ElfeYT Got it! Is fine. Hahahahaha yeah, Mikola is kinda risky.

No I did not, I was thinking about it, but it seems so expensive to buy them. Yeh I kind of had similar situation, but I was finally able to do. Now I have ~200 in total left, but good thing is that I don't really see the need to upgrade more for a second so hopefully I can collect more.

Haha, yes indeed I'm 😅

Yes! I plan to make one at some point (not any specific date in mind currently), but I will probably make multiple ones along the season

thank you it help me a lot. Keep going bro

hmm....it's made with a website called Miro, I could maybe try sharing access to that board, but maybe it's easier if I can move them to Google Sheet and share there. I can check what it would look like in Google sheets later today.

@@ElfeYT Nice, thank you!

@@pauloneto7561 Do you think this format would make sense? tiny.cc/arena-defense-examples

@@ElfeYT It's perfect, it's enough and easy to understand. Just like it is in the video, it will help a lot.

haha, that is correct! I'm sure that the accent gives that away anyway, but Phraesto is even a special case in that, I never bothered to think how he is supposed to be pronounced, so i just say "pesto"

Nothing concrete really, I think because he had pretty mixed reviews not many people pulled for him (at least on the servers that I play on), so I don't really have experience attacking against him. I did try doing few attacks with him on my friends account, but it seems pretty fiddly, I tested something like killing enemy healer with Vala while using the Curelock and it worked, but you still have to deal with rest of the enemy team (scarlita etc) and you are kind of sacrificing 1 slot for having the Dun in your team (tho the Dun was not S+)

Yeh for sure! map 4 also has good Reinier protection, but map 3 is clearly the more popular one.