People saying it can damage cables obviously have never seen an overdriven hammer staple or indents in cable from a hammer head or a manual stapler jamming or shooting off center. This is an amazing tool if you know how to use it, just like any other purpose built tool.
Exactly. If we held manually driven, uninsulated, stapled cable to the same standard as the criticisms I've seen of this tool's pinch, there would be riots in the street.
The fact that it's even possible to damage the cable means this is a big no from me, if they had some sort of max depth setting for the staples this would solve the problem. Imagine just doing that once on long and difficult to re-pull run with not enough slack on the cable to just make a single junction.
I've been using it for 6 months and haven't had a problem. Even stapling with a hammer can be risky, so it's up to me to use skill to get the job done without damage.
@@illestofdemall13 For the price they ask for it and their propritary staples, it is no better than a hammer with that argument, if i'm going to pay that much money it better do all the work for me.
Don’t be silly, data installers don’t clip cables, they just sling them across ceilings then pull them as tight as they can, I have never seen a good data install unless it’s been done by the sparkies on site,
Looks good guys and the fire test you did shows there merit . I still use standard clips with all round band as fire support every few clips as required. This would be very quick but I would have a small worry of mistakes happening damaging cables if not super carful . Maybe it’s just getting used to it.
Trying to use something designed for American Romex just doesn’t make sense. I’d rather wait to see if someone makes a version for T&E that has interchangeable jaws and magazine dependant on the cable size 🤪
Trouble with this type of tool is that you'd only have to mess up once overshooting one clip then you'll be spending that time you initially thought you just saved having to repair the cable. Its funny, I have friends digging holes in the ground by hand (with shovels of course lol) at stupid o'clock everyday because no machinery can be used in case a cable is damaged in the process. I dont see a way around this issue other than good old fashioned thumb bashing.
I've been using it and I disagree. I've saved a lot of time and frustration and haven't damaged any cables. I am wiring a 12,000 square foot mansion currently and I use the Milwaukee Cable Stapler almost every day.
Mmmmm, having to fine tune the amount of pressure all the time seems a faff really. When you’re flat out, it could be easy to misjudge pressure. The dewalt however looks like it fires loose all the time. Seems like the better buy
@@efixx We don’t have any suggestions for corrections when stacking cables in Sweden, we had it but it’s been removed. Guess we can do our own estimates for correctional values, unfortunately most sparkys don’t do it and just stack cables on trays etc. Did drawings and calculations for a freezer/ cold storage a couple of years ago and it’s interesting that it can be cheaper to put up more cable trays than having to buy bigger cables. It would be interesting to learn how you calculate and document when a cable tray is filled to capacity according to calculations for each cable so that future additions doesn’t mean that cables run to hot when left without the proper spacing. Provided that you guys have spacing as an option when calculating…
Sorry not that well held Gordon those cables did slide quite easily. But as Gaz said they do hold the cables in place even with lights pressure. So it should keep fire fighters happy. Because they can’t be seen to carry wire cutters as a standard part of there great video guy’s as always 👍
I understand what you saying, but pressure needs not be set by size of cable only, but also by the type of wood you want to punch into. So the user needs to adjust by the combination of two and so each job will need manual intervention to pressure level. That's my thought.
@@2yogz Surely it would be possible to implement a relatively accurate depth stop on the staple, that would mean you wouldn't need to adjust both of those things.
@@AndrewStrydomBRP Yep, physics can agree to that if wood types are near similar in properties to each other. But I'm sure you agree that chipboard, MDF, hardwood etc do vary enough for the user to use their own judgement of required pressure. But if you are comparing one brand of chipboard to another brand of chipboard, the pressure required for each will vary between them only ever so slightly, or maybe not at all. I'm only basing this on my regular use of nail guns. Whilst the NG has settings to adjust, I find many times my own judgement of applied pressure is often best. Each to their own of course.
@@2yogz I was thinking more about a physical limiter stop that sits a certain amount above the surface of the wood which stop the staple before it goes further into the wood than desired. Would of course entail an entire tool and staple redesign
Pity they had to have red staples. Why not white? I guess the marketers wanted their red colour splattered all over the place. Some installations are permanently visible so red staples on white TPS is just stupid.
So now you have to charge batteries instead of using a manual stapler that does exactly the same thing as this 🙄 I totally get cordless drills but staplers like this don't make sense to me.
Tower clips all day long. This is too much of a faff, but needless to say many smart ar$e subcontractors will provide this tool to their semi-skimmed subbies who will damage cables every 3 feet and just look the other way! 👎🏻
The cable is supposed to be able to move a little bit by code in USA that tool would fail inspections here. The dewalt leaves the perfect amount of play.
No one would ever pass inspection here if they actually enforced that. All the cable I see run in residential here is absolutely bashed around. That's not great, but I would imagine inspectors would be far happier with this than the hammer driven ones I see.
People saying it can damage cables obviously have never seen an overdriven hammer staple or indents in cable from a hammer head or a manual stapler jamming or shooting off center. This is an amazing tool if you know how to use it, just like any other purpose built tool.
Exactly. If we held manually driven, uninsulated, stapled cable to the same standard as the criticisms I've seen of this tool's pinch, there would be riots in the street.
The fact that it's even possible to damage the cable means this is a big no from me, if they had some sort of max depth setting for the staples this would solve the problem. Imagine just doing that once on long and difficult to re-pull run with not enough slack on the cable to just make a single junction.
I've been using it for 6 months and haven't had a problem. Even stapling with a hammer can be risky, so it's up to me to use skill to get the job done without damage.
@@illestofdemall13 For the price they ask for it and their propritary staples, it is no better than a hammer with that argument, if i'm going to pay that much money it better do all the work for me.
@@AndrewStrydomBRP It's way faster. I can do like 3 staples in 5 seconds then move the ladder and do another quick run. It's convenience.
@@AndrewStrydomBRP it's a hell of a lot faster!
I spent about ten years house bashing and now I haven't even seen a lenght of T&E in about 5 years and I realy dont miss it.
Don’t be silly, data installers don’t clip cables, they just sling them across ceilings then pull them as tight as they can,
I have never seen a good data install unless it’s been done by the sparkies on site,
Looks good guys and the fire test you did shows there merit . I still use standard clips with all round band as fire support every few clips as required. This would be very quick but I would have a small worry of mistakes happening damaging cables if not super carful . Maybe it’s just getting used to it.
isn't it 19mm between the centres of the pins?
Not according to the diagram on the box 📦
Trying to use something designed for American Romex just doesn’t make sense. I’d rather wait to see if someone makes a version for T&E that has interchangeable jaws and magazine dependant on the cable size 🤪
Much damage to the pvc when the clips came out?
I have this tool very good tool only one issue staple are expensive i like if dewalt staple we can use in this tool
Only expensive cause nowhere has them atm, once screwfix and cef get them at the same £15 a box that the dewalt ones are, there won't be an issue
Any chance of testing it into different substrates other than timber?
It’s designed for timber only
@@efixx But you could have a go? We're all wondering!
So it needs a guide for pressure needed . A simple thread rod to set the distance from surface
Trouble with this type of tool is that you'd only have to mess up once overshooting one clip then you'll be spending that time you initially thought you just saved having to repair the cable.
Its funny, I have friends digging holes in the ground by hand (with shovels of course lol) at stupid o'clock everyday because no machinery can be used in case a cable is damaged in the process.
I dont see a way around this issue other than good old fashioned thumb bashing.
I've been using it and I disagree. I've saved a lot of time and frustration and haven't damaged any cables. I am wiring a 12,000 square foot mansion currently and I use the Milwaukee Cable Stapler almost every day.
Do they sell the staples in the UK now. If so where from. Cheers
Mmmmm, having to fine tune the amount of pressure all the time seems a faff really. When you’re flat out, it could be easy to misjudge pressure.
The dewalt however looks like it fires loose all the time. Seems like the better buy
Don’t you have to recalculate the cable size when stacking them?
That would depend upon the load of each cable.
@@efixx We don’t have any suggestions for corrections when stacking cables in Sweden, we had it but it’s been removed. Guess we can do our own estimates for correctional values, unfortunately most sparkys don’t do it and just stack cables on trays etc.
Did drawings and calculations for a freezer/ cold storage a couple of years ago and it’s interesting that it can be cheaper to put up more cable trays than having to buy bigger cables.
It would be interesting to learn how you calculate and document when a cable tray is filled to capacity according to calculations for each cable so that future additions doesn’t mean that cables run to hot when left without the proper spacing. Provided that you guys have spacing as an option when calculating…
Sorry not that well held Gordon those cables did slide quite easily. But as Gaz said they do hold the cables in place even with lights pressure. So it should keep fire fighters happy. Because they can’t be seen to carry wire cutters as a standard part of there great video guy’s as always 👍
Agreed! And with white staples.
Bad design if it cant sense the size of the cable and adjust the pressure accordingly. The required pressure should not be dependant on the operator.
I understand what you saying, but pressure needs not be set by size of cable only, but also by the type of wood you want to punch into.
So the user needs to adjust by the combination of two and so each job will need manual intervention to pressure level.
That's my thought.
@@2yogz Surely it would be possible to implement a relatively accurate depth stop on the staple, that would mean you wouldn't need to adjust both of those things.
@@AndrewStrydomBRP
Yep, physics can agree to that if wood types are near similar in properties to each other.
But I'm sure you agree that chipboard, MDF, hardwood etc do vary enough for the user to use their own judgement of required pressure.
But if you are comparing one brand of chipboard to another brand of chipboard, the pressure required for each will vary between them only ever so slightly, or maybe not at all.
I'm only basing this on my regular use of nail guns. Whilst the NG has settings to adjust, I find many times my own judgement of applied pressure is often best. Each to their own of course.
@@2yogz I was thinking more about a physical limiter stop that sits a certain amount above the surface of the wood which stop the staple before it goes further into the wood than desired.
Would of course entail an entire tool and staple redesign
@@AndrewStrydomBRP
Yeah that makes sense if they can come up with some options.
Are the Staples 18th edition.
Check the code
Looks good though
Model number?
Pity they had to have red staples. Why not white? I guess the marketers wanted their red colour splattered all over the place. Some installations are permanently visible so red staples on white TPS is just stupid.
Where is the big bearded presenter, Rick?
Suitable for fp200?
See end of video
So now you have to charge batteries instead of using a manual stapler that does exactly the same thing as this 🙄
I totally get cordless drills but staplers like this don't make sense to me.
A manual staple gun is nowhere near as powerful as this. You cant install romex with a manual staple gun.
Seems a decent tool but for me personally no I'm a hammer and clips all day long even if it takes a bit longer 🤷♂️
I suppose you could use it to keep your beanie hat on if it's a windy day. Can you try that out and show us 😁🤡 🐔
Yup - it hurts
Easiest way to damage a cable on a long run
And you think data monkeys clip cables ...
Tower clips all day long. This is too much of a faff, but needless to say many smart ar$e subcontractors will provide this tool to their semi-skimmed subbies who will damage cables every 3 feet and just look the other way! 👎🏻
What a load of crap .
Embarrassing to watch 🙊🙉🙈😡
The cable is supposed to be able to move a little bit by code in USA that tool would fail inspections here. The dewalt leaves the perfect amount of play.
No one would ever pass inspection here if they actually enforced that. All the cable I see run in residential here is absolutely bashed around. That's not great, but I would imagine inspectors would be far happier with this than the hammer driven ones I see.
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