JUROR # 14 - An in-depth conversation with Lauren and John after serving on Chad Daybell's trial
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Juror #Join 14, Blake, joins Lauren and John for an in depth look at what it was like to serve during the Chad Daybell Trial. Subscribe to @HiddenTrueCrime as we follow Chad Daybell's trial from beginning to end. Host Lauren Matthias is in the courtroom daily, doing lunch lives on RUclips and summarizing each day and week right here on Hidden: A True Crime Podcast.
Lauren Matthias was a television reporter for a decade and has followed the Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell case since 2019. She and her husband, Dr. John Matthias, a criminal psychologist, started Hidden True Crime in 2020 with their Season, 'Beyond the Veil,' a psychological deep dive into the doomsday murders and prophet.
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You fine jurors took the life of Chad Daybell MUCH MORE seriously than Chad took the lives of JJ, Tylee and Tammy. Thank you! You did the right thing!
Absolutely 👍🏼 so when Emma whines it isn’t fair I hope someone /everyone tells her that
I had the same thought
Well said!
Well, that's an interesting point for me to ponder. 🤔
👍could not agree more!
I'm caught on this fact:
These 18 jurors have strength in friendship in each other.
Colby Ryan has been accepted and embraced by Tanmy's family.
Kay and Larry now have this friendship and love for Jon, Lauren, and their son.
Chad now gets to sit in a cold cell, alone, with nothing but the walls. No goddess, no money, no Prophethood.
Was it worth it, Chad?
He chose Nov '19 to Feb '20 - 3 months of hedonistic behaviour ( that's the true amount of time he had complete access to LV) over an insurmountable number of people's lives - victims, families, LE, Prosecutors, Court staff, Jurors and their families, neighbours and once friends, medical professionals.... and future generations of family members....
3 months, countless lives affected.
A just sentence.
It seems so pointless doesn't it. I wish Chad had run his plans past a sane person before he did them and they said nope thats crazy and evil don't do it. And he had listened. Unfortunately not.
This is the period where the Victims become Survivors. The photo of them all together was so POWERFUL
Amen 🙏
@@shelliebeans5524they have an army of people, worldwide, who love and cherish them. They may never meet any of us, but they feel us. And they know.
Thank God for intelligent jurors like this wonderful man.
Just thankful for normal ppl who can hear information and determine the truth.
I'm relieved to hear the jurors picked up on the same things that most of the public did. This was a hard trial. They made the right decision and did it the right way.
Yes, and they did it on the first take. They didn't have the advantage we did to rewatch the testimony and hear multiple peoples take on what was going on. The jurors did a great job.
I heard today that Pryor filed an appeal based against Judge Boyce!
@@cathygarneau Seriously? 😅
@@pamostman516 Exactly my thought at the time - will they get all this in one take? I rewatched a fair amount of testimony.
Many people don’t understand just how much trauma jurors suffer in cases like these. They are, in a very real sense, additional victims. 💔
Agreed, if i could offer one teensy suggestion for anyone who finds themselves placed in a similar position, keep talking, keep unpacking, keep assessing the 'sticking points' of emotions, in Mr Blake's case my one thing i would suggest is bring your wife with you to the dinner with the other jurors, that they bring their significant people. It helps them understand you better in these circumstances, it helps them connect with the other family members, all of you can support each other in unpacking, learning and feeling.... together.
Completely agree! I loved the reference by Dr. John about being a vet. More than a trauma bond, more like a refiners fire melded their hearts together. So grateful for his interviews - all of their interviews for that matter and their willingness to share their individual and collective experiences with us. All seem to be amazing human beings!!!
They should be seeking therapy not interviews…
Really good perspective they are also victims now
@@kerryallen4665 - I wonder if this is a kind of therapy. Remember the horrors they've seen, which they haven't been allowed to discuss with anyone (not even each other) for months.
I agree with Juror #14 from day 1! I found Prior's superiority very off-putting. By the end of the trial, I felt Prior was intensely disrespectful and I hated to even hear his voice. Mr. Prior is condescending and rude.
Agree 💯
Hard agree, but that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that he sucks at his job! 😆
He made my eyes roll every few sentences. I had to buy eye drops just to keep listening to his horse manure 😂
I felt Pryor realized early in there is nothing he could do. As much as I dislike him he was alone with all of these thoughts.
@@LeanneRigby-iy7nx It was an impossible job, but totally unnecessary for him to be so condescending to do his job. He was able to be polite to the Daybell kids
It's very comforting to know ppl like Blake were choosen. He is level-headed, smart, and just overall comes across as a good guy. He really pinned everything I felt and thought.
Absolutely! This man is SO intelligent and well-spoken, that I can picture him as the CEO of a large company, and I thought, for sure, that he was probably the jury foreman (but now I know he wasn’t).
One thing that stood out to me: When Tammy called police about the gun incident, the officer who testified (I believe that's who it was) said that Chad hung back and stood inside the door of another room in the house, not even standing near Tammy, who had just been SHOT AT.
He is a total sociopath!
@@annanikia7949 and afraid of the cops in that case.
Yeah my husband would have been all over that. He is so overprotective and that how I feel safe. I have sadness for Tammy because I have had that life in the past. No leader, no protector, no provider. Nothing but a waist of oxygen.
@@racheldale4226 my husband too, thanks for that reminder. Tammy indeed deserved a real man who appreciated her and lifted her up.
@@racheldale4226 I felt quite sad for her too because surely she would have felt it 1,000 times more acutely than we do. It's bad enough that he arranged his little 'career' so that she would be the main breadwinner; here, he might have as well been a toddler at the gate, just looking on. Pathetic.
I hope Blake also realizes that he is also giving all of us viewers the answers to many questions we had as well. Thank you for your service Blake!!
Thank all all the jurors for your service in this horrific case
Blake cares so much for the children of Chads. I think it's a beautiful thing and I hope the Daybell kids see it someday.
Yes he gave them lots of grace, more than I could. I hope the children of Chad see all the videos about the case on Hidden. It’s time they learn the truth.
I hope one day they can all see the truth. I believe they actually think what Chads told them and what they believe is true but sadly they have been deceived.
Sadly their own father seems less concerned for them than juror 14. I can only imagine that they have likely had to hustle for his approval all of their lives.
I hope the Daybell kids aren’t delusional, detached, robotic and cold-hearted like their father.
It's amazing how well these jurors understood this case. Those of us who have been following it for years are amazed at the juror's grasp of all of this.
So nice to put a face and personality to this juror. He is so genuine and real. Justice was in good hands!
So well Said about his kids on the stand - cant believe they didnt stand up for their mum to protect their father who killed her. The saddest thing ever.
Poor Tammy. Abandoned in death so quickly by her children.
Somebody said he's the "salt of the earth" and I love that description of this juror. 👏👏👏
Couldn’t agree more! Watching Blake speak in the 2 interviews he has done has been incredibly moving. He is the epitome of “salt of the earth”!
Thank you Blake for being a part of the justice system & helping to keep all of us safe & free from criminals. Your role as a juror is essential for keeping us free and safe in our country. We are all grateful to you & your family. Please communicate our gratitude to your fellow jurors. The jury’s role in a safe & free democracy is essential. THANK YOU!
I'm so relieved and glad that Blake spoke up about how terrible it was that Emma spoke poorly about Tammy. It's good to know that the jury saw right through Emma's lies.
Thank you Blake ♥️ What a kind, empathetic man. When he talks about Garth and Emma, it really demonstrates this man’s heart.
I’ve listened to several juror interviews now and it’s refreshing to hear that some of the observations we as the audience were making were the same conclusions the jurors came to. So many times I’d see comments such as “I hope the jurors caught that, or I wonder if the jurors feel the same as we do about that.” It’s nice knowing how smart and methodical these jurors were about taking everything into consideration and coming to the right decision.
Yes! ❤
This jury is what makes me have faith in humanity ❤
You know, this whole case back from Lori to Chad has actually proven that we should all have more faith in humanity. Look around, Larry And Kay basically adopted Colby into their family, the Rogers families and Tylee and JJ's families are all connected and have become family, many many good and caring people surrounded (over powered) this cult. The reality is, there really are more good and caring people than evil and deranged.
Blake's thoughts on Emma and Garth makes me feel sad for them. They were brainwashed or fearful of Chad. But trashing your mother is beyond my understanding. I expect Chad's kids to lay low. They will continue to be criticized.
Emma may need to reconsider her career. I would take my child out of her class asap
They are brainwashed and need therapy, but it's their journey to take in finding that healing . all we can do is hope at some point that veil of indoctrination they've gone through their whole lives will be questioned and lifted and they can find the healing & support they will they need through it because it will be a very traumatic process imo .
I just hope they don’t see him as a victim or martyr. They seem to hold his beliefs and that could be dangerous imo
@@LeanneRigby-iy7nx That’s my fear, the fact Emma speaks to Lori and the fact she called her father in jail every single day screams to me that maybe she bought into Chad’s BS. Chad doesn’t love those children he would have never made them lie under oath the way they did. They have lost all credibility as decent human beings in the public eye and maybe in the LDS community? . But I do hope they receive help.
I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if one or more of his kids end up leaving the LDS faith. After all this is said and done, maybe after counseling and deep reflection how could one stay in a belief system that has taken so much from them and destroyed so many lives? Not saying mainstream LDS necessarily, but there is evil in many extreme beliefs.
The Jury, prosecution team and all the investigators who worked tirelessly to fight for Tyler, JJ and Tammy will forever be in my hearts. You all have restored my faith in humanity.
Lauren you two make the most compassionate people to cover this horrible case. Thank you Blake for sharing this. Thank God for such a quality jury.
As it's turning out, it's a GREAT thing that Chad's name is NOT on Tammy's headstone !
Fantastic point!!
This was amazing! Blake seems like such an empathetic and thoughtful person, I'm so grateful he was part of the jury. He made a difference!! I hope his heart can heal from the impact the entire case has on him. ❤️
The idea Chad was next was ridiculous. They were not married. No life insurance for her to get. If they killed him during the paint ball Tammy would have gotten the money
... and if he was next on the list, why would Alex use a paintball gun, Mr Prior? Come on, John. Was it a paintball gun or was it not?
@@hellsbells8689exactly! I was like, so you’re admitting it wasn’t a paintball gun… You can’t have it both ways 😅
Mr. Prior just did not think that through.
@@judimoore1678he only has so much to work with .
@therealz360z7 too true..
What a really great guy Blake is. He has emotional intelligence and integrity. I really enjoyed his openness and honesty. It's great that he has reached out to you both as it will help him heal. Thanks for the podcast
From everything I've heard, these jurors were a really wonderful group of humans who carefully and thoughtfully made a very hard decision to bring some justice to this case. Faith in humanity restored!
Please tell Blake my father in law was in WW2. His fellow soldiers or group got together once a year to share what they went through. The reunions were held each year at one of their homes. I remember when my father in law had it at his home. Of course they didn’t stay at his home but he had a huge bbq at his home. It helped them all tremendously. Their last reunion was 2008. My father in law was one of the last two. We met them all and just enjoyed it so much. Please share this with Blake.
My neighbours used to host their military unit every year. Didn't matter what year you served, all were welcome. My family always went as neighbours, helped set up, and eventually bagpiped for the crew. Such a strong unit. My fam hosted the gentlemans funeral last year on our farm, and my Dad received a plaque and was named an honorary member.❤
Your heart has to go out to the jurors......because you just can't unsee and unhear that evidence.
We were praying and hoping for an outstanding jury and we had one! Extremely grateful for their sacrifice and service so justice could be delivered ❤️⚖️❤️ Thank you ❤️⚖️❤️
This is the first time this case has made me cry since December 2019. It’s been so cerebral and the focus has been on understanding for me. What happened, how was it done, what is going on with the people involved, how were they able to get this far, etc. This juror, as an untouched member of the community, underscored the entire emotional current. The jury a blind touch point for all the feeling in this case- victims, family, LE, judicial community, media, even us as scattered audience members. Thank you Blake and HTC for this humanizing catalyst of an interview. ❤️❤️❤️
I love this comment and same ❤️
Yes! This!
Thank you to all the jurors for your service. I can’t imagine what the stress of this trial was like. Justice has been served and I thank you.
I watched every min of this trial. My entire life has been devoted to it. My friends and family knew I wouldn’t answer the phone or door during trial times. I have had a difficult time moving on this week. It helps hearing the jurors. Thank u.
Hope you can get the healing you need. I had to watch it in tiny highlights because it was so heavy.
@@kingoreo3642 🤗❤️
Now it's time to free Karen Read! ;)
I appreciate so much how you, as interviewers, are letting Blake just talk and talk, finally. For him, after not being able to speak. Thank you for giving him the space. You are excellent interviewers. These jurors did an amazing job - thanks to all of them
Agree!!! Great interview!!!❤
You can tell all of these jurors are so ready to speak about this after having to keep it inside for so long. They sound like an amazing, thoughtful, diligent group of people and its been cathartic hearing that they observed a lot of the same things we did that we were hopingthey were picking up on
Heard Blake earlier he is a very articulate speaker! Thanks Blake for your service ❤❤❤
The one thing that sticks out to me is the love of the jurors. Love wins. Out out the horror came a set of bonds between former strangers. Hate will always lose in the end.
I love this guy. His thoughts on the children were spot on
Exceptional juror and communicator. I feel more healed listening to Blake. Thank you.
So Happy that you and John get to speak with Juror #14! Hope you all become great friends for life!
These jurors were so intelligent and thoughtful. I have followed this case from day 1 so I can't imagine having to hear and analyse all the info in 8 weeks. They did an incredible job! Bless them
Thank you Blake. I love to see a man who is not afraid to show his emotions. So thankful for your service. Hope you take advantage of the therapy offered if you should decide to take it.
As with any traumatic situation, you have to feel it to heal it. Kudos to Blake. Seems like a genuine, stand-up fella.
"Look it appears to me that one or two of you guys are stupid enough to commit this crime on his property and put those back in his shed. What is wroong with the both of you"
-Blake
I love it
I know! That was awesome!
Good is stronger than evil.
Thank you Juror #14.
OMG this was the BEST content that I could had asked for! Lauren and Dr. John, YOU ARE AMAZING
Agree. This juror somehow covers every aspect of what we've all been feeling. His maturity and integrity is a way to restore faith in humanity for so many of us.
Watching live (for once) from Melbourne, Australia.
Hearing about how wonderful the Marshalls are is brilliant. They couldn't have supported the jurors any better.
What amazing jurors they seemed to feel the same as we all did!
Every time I hear one of the jurors speak I cry
There is a brokenness in their voices and to think chad Daybell is responsible for that as well as all the other tragedies he's guilty of
It's nice to know that these people can obtain medical help it may take months for the jurors to feel all the damage that was done to them
All are in my prayers nightly
Glad to know I’m not alone. My heart just aches for this panel of jurists. I was happy to hear that they have a group chat and are planning to meet for dinner soon. Their support for each other will be a tremendous part of their collective healing. It is my hope that connecting with the victims brought them peace as well.
What a sweet, sweet man! I'm all teary-eyed at him asking Dr John what to do because he misses the jurors so much
Thank you everyone!!!
I saw this Juror with Nate...I totally agreed what he said about Prior. I can't wait to see this interview!!.
BTW Buenos días everybody!!.
Buenos dias, mi amigo.
@@doneestoner9945 Buenos días!! 😊
What you did, talking to us … healed us, the so-involved public, so much. It made ALL the difference.
Dang it, I was supposed to go, but on the road! Wish I would’ve stayed that extra day!
The photo of the Families together was so Powerful. Now you all become SURVIVORS ❤
Without Lauren and John, I’d be so lost in all of this. I was taking my children to a vocal coach in Rexburg when the announcement of the missing children came out. Nearly, 5 years later… truth and justice has finally happened! God bless these amazing jurors and their families, friends and coworkers!
This jury was absolutely awesome and intelligent. They saw what we all saw! Prayers to them all 🙏 thank you for doing this hard job
Wonderful interview, Lauren and John! Thank you for your service, juror #14. We couldn’t have asked for a better jury in this case, and the same with Lori Vallow’s jury.
Such an incredibly thoughtful and judicious jury Thank you for your service & sharing today ❤
What did Dr John think when Prior said that "there were many people present when JJ was killed"?
And for the rest of us who have been involved with this case from the beginning as well, it has been healing for us to hear from the jurors to see how they felt and are feeling.
I absolutely love how some jurors reached out to the families. Thru the darkness maybe some light can shine with the bonds between jurors and victims after going thru this horrible trauma together. I pray lasting bonds were created and everyone can find peace together.
Bless Blake & all the jurors! I thank them for their service & commitment in seeing this through until justice was served! Hallelujah! Great job, jurors!!
Thank you Blake for your service. Thank you Lauren for all your reporting. Thank you, also Dr. John for your helpful comments. I've been listening for awhile.
I remember being so angry in the beginning, thinking the jury wouldn't get it. I am so thankful for them. My favorite interview yet!😊
Trauma bonding. Thank you to the jurors for sitting through this horror, and being honest brokers of justice.
Hugs from 🇨🇦
All the jurors were exposed to some very horrific stuff they all have my admiration and gratitude.
WOW what an educational and enlightening conversation…. Your guest was brilliant in the way he articulated his experience, and although there were difficult parts, he shared they were also positive aspects. Thank you for having this podcast in, allowing us to be part of it and listen to this conversation.
Thanks Blake for giving us an inside view. You’ve been very helpful in understanding.
Law enforcement way to go!!! So glad you got these nuts stopped.
Man, love Blake. He really is a genuinely KIND human. Loved seeing the inside of what they went through. Grateful for the share!
I could listen to Blake speak all day long. He speaks so beautifully and intelligently and has provided quite a real and unique point of view in all 3 of the interviews I have seen from him. I'm so glad so many are speaking out!
I’m very impressed with Blake. He has given me so much insight into the jury’s experience. He shows a lot of compassion.
I’m choking up listening to how Juror 14 misses his fellow juror peeps. Really touching.
Prior’s argument that Chad was somehow the targeted victim was such a ridiculous argument. If Chad had been the target, and had been shot, then Tammy would have gotten the life insurance money, not Lori. So what was Lori’s motive? And also, Mr. Prior, I thought you said it was a paintball gun. How could Chad be the target to be killed if it was a paintball gun? Which one is it?
I get it, he didn’t have much to go with. And he was trying to poke holes. But honestly! That defense was just stupid!
😂 Grasping at straws he was
Such amazing jurors! So grateful for their service!
Blake couldn’t have picked better people to share his story with. I am biased though, being a Hidden Gem. ☺️❤
Just completed watching Mr. Blake aka Juror#14 in this interview and also watched his interview yesterday with @eastidahonews. Pretty sure I cried equally thru both of his interviews. What an absolutely stellar human being you are Mr. Blake!!! We are so incredibly grateful for your insight, but more so the level of empathy you so beautifully possess. I didn't have any doubt the jury got the verdict correct - however hearing his insights blew me away with all that they had to shoulder, how perfectly they all were able to filter through the evidence and for the level of sincerity each of them possessed. Thank you so much for your service and thank so much for being willing to speak and share your beautiful insights. God bless you and the other 17 to include your families!!!
Thank you Blake, great job, and I am so glad everyone took it as serious, and didn't judge by emotions, but by facts proving each count. So thankful such caring people decided to follow the law and do their part to the best of their ability. Lauren & John, thank you for all you do, continually. ❤
So articulate! So transparent! Thank you for your jury service Blake. ❤🎉
Thank you for your service. I watched everyday! ?? Are you going to go back and rewatch to see what was said outside the jury watch?
You jurors did the right thing. Thank you so much. Thank you Blake.
Wow, I cried listening to Blake talk and feeling the emotion in every word he said. What an awesome man. A true hero. I hope the jurors know how much we respect them for what they’ve done. I pray that they continue to talk through this and I know they will be lifelong friends.
I have so much compassion and admiration for all of these beautiful people.
I've seen the interviews with jururs. Awesome people that had to go through so much.
I want my own Dr Babe!!! Thank you Lauren for all you do.. Love you both!!
I appreciate so many jurors willing to tell about their experience with Chad Daybell's trial. Very grateful to them for serving and coming to the right verdict and correct sentence. Glad to know that counseling is available as they go forward if needed. Thanks Blake. Thanks Lauren and John.
This is such a cathartic interview for the entire audience that has been following this case. Thank you for earning this interview with your compassionate coverage for years and thank you sir for being open to participate and share with us. The ripple effects of this case parallel the ripple effects of the connectedness of humanity. And that is lightness in the dark, forgive the pun. ❤❤
Thank you, Mr. Blake and all the jury members! Thank you Lauren and John for covering this trial and for the interviews and as well as your views! ❤❤❤
Blake is a wonderful human. What a great world we'd have if everyone had his understanding, compassion, intelligence. Thank you, Lauren and Dr. John, for interviewing him.
Thank you, Blake 🩵
Such a lovely man. He oozes integrity.
Aloha from North Shore O’ahu! Cant wait till work is pau and I can watch this! Just stopping in to say mahalo nui loa juror#14!!!
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Blake speaks so eloquently , he should write a book ! What an amazing compassionate man ! Thank you Blake for sharing !
What a stellar human being!! Thanks so much for this wonderful and insightful look!! God bless, Mike!! Thanks Lauren and Dr. John❤❤
When the facts are on your side, you argue the facts. When the law is on your side, you argue the law. When neither is on your side, you pound the table.
Prior did what he could, but the facts and the law were against him
Thank you for this interview Lauren and John
Blake, thank you for sharing your experiences with us. You are seriously a remarkable human being!!
5 years ago, I was fortunate to be a juror on a murder case in Colorado. The trial was only 3 weeks long, but it was still very life changing for me. I have so much respect and admiration for all of you who committed your life and time to this case for 2 months! I have really enjoyed each of your interviews as you've shared your thoughts and experiences with us, and I just want to say thank you for serving and for giving it your all! We are so lucky, as American citizens, to be able to take part in our system of justice. However, that doesn't mean it's easy! The 18 of you who were chosen were exactly the 18 who were meant for the job, and you've given so much peace to the families and so many of us as well! Thank you!
I’ve been in this business for a long time and I’ve never seen a case this disturbing. John, how do so many people allow such evil??? If even one of them had spoken up and stopped this madness people wouldn’t have been dead. I just cannot comprehend how at least three people (Chad Lori and Alex) and possibly more (Melanie the niece) thought it was ok to murder people, to murder KIDS.
Well Charles did everything humanly possible, including talking to law enforcement but it went no where. So. on some level, i do not think anybody could have stopped this. Somebody may have stopped this particular group of people from being killed but Chad would have gone on to find others to kill to fullfill his dream of a new life
Charles Vallow spoke up. Police did not take him seriously. Brandon nearly lost his life and his kids. Kay and Larry spoke up. People like Megan Connor and Heather Daybell spoke up. They were labeled as dark. I think Chad would have killed them as well if he could have.
@@carliemccracken5089 that’s actually not entirely true. The police brought Lori in and had her evaluated by a dr, who she easily conned.
@@EffSharp that’s the point. People did speak up. I just think it’s important to acknowledge those who did. If not for Kay, many more might have died. It can also help us examine the weaknesses in the system.
@@carliemccracken5089 I meant the perps. If even one of them had woken up out of their delusions and narcissistic behavior they could have stopped the others.
Blake, Thank you for serving and serving with such thoughtfulness. So many of us worried about you jurors …worried about your spirit. We were able to talk with each other daily and support one another …and you had to absorb everything and couldn’t speak with anyone for several weeks. Maybe it’s all starting to hit you now. Continue to share your story and slowly decompress. You’re a wonderful person and I’m sure you and the other jurors will draw strength from healing with each other. Hugs:)