Birds final “healthy” season (84-85) is his statistically best season, yes even better than 85-86. If he was healthier and his teammates didn’t have bad injury luck, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics would have been able to win at least another title and compete in the late 80’s and early 90’s, as if they weren’t already
@@jaycob1830 I'd say 87-88 was his best statistical season, though not by much. He averaged 30 9 and 6 on 50-40-90 splits, and it's the second highest scoring 50-40-90 season ever behind 2016 Curry. The Celtics won 6 fewer games, but it's still just as impressive considering that DJ and Parish had regressed quite a bit at that point. He was definitely still in his prime, he played 39 minutes per game in 76 games
@@Post2k69great video! Not trying to make you feel bad or anything but I’d like to share my opinion on lebron. Only one thing about lebron at the end is even though he was 4-6 he had to face teams like the spurs with kawhi, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobill, and Tim Duncan and then the warriors not to mention he was forced to carry the team in multiple years for example the 2015 nba finals, Kyrie was one of the main scorers and was injuried and not to mention that Kevin Love didn’t even play in the 2015 NBA finals because of a shoulder injury against Boston. So if lebron had better teammates he probably wouldn’t have that record I agree in 2011 he was terrible on the court and it was just outrageous and 2013 Ray Allen saved lebron’s career (I guess?) so 2015 should’ve been a ring, and that would mean he is 5-5 including Ray allen’s shot because history is history but I don’t think with Kyrie and Kevin love both healthy that he’s beating 2017 and 2018 warriors but loved the video just subbed! 🔥🔥🔥
This might be one of the best basketball videos I’ve ever watched. Short and quick, but packed with information. Also, all the little editing details make it so much better. You’re gonna be up there with JxmyHighroller soon bro. KEEP GRINDING🚀
4-6 is such a stupid argument; as it’s impressive that you made it to the finals 10 times. 11:42 His top 3 finals performances are 3 finals he lost because he was playing against the best team ever assembled. If you want to say a 4-6 resume can’t make LeBron the goat, then why do you not talk about Jordan’s first round exits? Well simple, that’s stupid. Jordan carried his bulls to the playoffs, put up insane stats (like scoring the most playoff points) and still losing. After LeBron first 2 finals, he stopped chocking; so the 4-6 isn’t really his fault. (I’m a Jordan fan btw lol)
@@rocbot9479 This is just the typical lebron fan argument 10 finals is impressive but when your coming out of a historically weak conference and on stacked teams it’s not impressive your going to make a lot of finals with those circumstances. That’s why magic and Kareem made so many they were on stacked teams and in that horrid 80’s west. 07 for example that east was putrid garbage. He beat 1 above 500 team and that was the pistons with no Ben Wallace and a new coach. He played the 41-41 wizards with no agent 0 and Caron butler, then the 41-41 nets who were a 6 seed cause the east was so bad. The 5th seed in the west would be the 2nd best team in the east that year. the 51 win 5 seed jazz would have been the 2nd best team in the east had they been there that’s how ass the east was. And it was like that ALOT of years. 2017 he could have won or at least made it more competitive if he hadn’t let KD average 35 on his DOME on 55/47/92 splits nearly 50/50 splits is absurd. he couldn’t guard KD to save his life. But nobody talks about this and just gives excuses for bron like a child And nobody talks about Jordan’s 1st round exits because there first round exits… they were supposed to be loosing as the 8th seed in the first round… Lebron will be on stacked teams, run through a putrid conference then loose. Then get hyped up for running through said weak conference just to loose. And I hope you know saying “ im a fan of ___ “ doesn’t excuse the crap you say
To be honest the watered down argument can be said for the 2010s too. They expanded the roster spots from 12 to 18 adding around 192 players to the league.
watered down in the sense of making it easier to be in the league, doesn't make teams weaker though which is what people are talking about with mj's era
Lemme fix this :Lebrons comeback in 2016 :MJ’s 3 peat and had a strong era :Kobe was able to win without Shaq Top three all time no question Mj goat btw
@@m.ahmed.y1723Duncan stats vs Kobe as a first option: 21 points, 49% TS Kobe as a first option stats vs Duncan: 29 points, 58% TS (14-5 record) Duncan stats vs Shaq as a first option: 25 points, 54% TS Shaq stats vs Duncan as a first option: 24 points, 54% TS (14-10 record) Nice try, Duncan isn’t on Kobe’s level, slightly lower than Shaq.
Wilt played as the coach said When the coach said he must play assist, he's assist goes up Hes a versatile player He doesnt want to be fouled out as he is not only an offensive machine. He is very important in defense
The arguement of Jordan not being the GOAT could be just Jordan didnt play for 5 seasons where he could still be very effective in the NBA. He missed 1994, majority of 1995, 1999-2001 season. This might be the main reason why Lebron and Jordan debate was so close because Jordan retired when he could still be playing on an elite level while Lebron longevity is the best I think we would see in our lifetimes
Jordan did the right thing retiring in 98. He was still the best player in the world in 98, but Pippen and Rodman had already started declining. Pippen's scoring declined after 98 since his injury and Rodman started playing reduced minutes starting 98. The Bulls was considered by many as the underdog that year but Jordan made it work. If he kept playing, he would have gone back to his status in the 80s where he performed exceptionally well but his team would keep losing.
mannn you show so much love bro, I really appreciate it. I watch lots of RUclips tutorials, documentaries, and other creators outside of basketball to get a taste of how they edit and see what I can implement. the editing for this video took a disgusting amount of time haha but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
this is how i view it, there will never be a goat, the era and game changes and the players continue to make history every day. the circumstances make it almost impossible to figure out a goat...
When addressing claims about a "weak" era, you can assert that Michael Jordan’s success with only one primary All-Star, Scottie Pippen, highlights his exceptional individual talent and ability to lead his team to greatness under competitive conditions. This perspective underscores that Jordan's achievements are significant and reflective of his extraordinary skill and impact, regardless of the era's perceived strength. Michael Jordan’s combination of fundamentally sound skills and extraordinary athleticism, coupled with his high basketball IQ, made him a uniquely complete player. His fundamental skills allowed him to excel in various aspects of the game, while his athleticism provided him with the edge to outperform defenders. His basketball IQ enabled him to make smart decisions and maximize his impact on both ends of the floor. Together, these qualities made Jordan not just a great player, but arguably the greatest of all time. Respect the Goat!!
saying 90s are watered down but then you got teams today tanking to get better draft picks. i was not even alive during the 90s but seeing the footage made it seem more difficult to score during that time given how slow the pace is and how much more physical they are compared to other decades of nba basketball. today's nba is much more favored to cater the offense while it was the opposite during the 90s and early 2000s. heck, nba even made carrying and travelling somehow legal to make today's players look good. lol
@@lakpasherpa2994 you talking about pippen and rodman? yes they are great but those players cant carry teams to a chaimpionship as the main guy. they are talented but not on the offensive end. most of the time MJ was the one carrying the offense for the bulls whether off the ball or on the ball while still playing high level defense. talent today is severly overrated. just because they are better 3pt shooters doesnt mean they are way better players than before. rules cater to the offense now. players allowed to take more than 3 steps, allowed to carry the ball and getting and 1s through minor bumps that the offensive player initiated in the first place. bringing back physicality and you see most of the stars today get exposed how much they struggle. whenever playoffs are around, you see a dipped in their production because the nba allow more some of the physicality used back in the day. suddenly some stars are not as good as you think they are. would be so interesting watching today's players get defended by the bad boy pistons or riley's knicks.
It's facts that the 90s were watered down. How is slow pace and physicality related to talent levels? Slower pace and physicality, are conscious decisions by the league at that time, and independent of talent. Similarly, the league decided that more offense centered games is the norm. Nothing to do with talent levels
@@JayZone23No? Introducing physicality will reduce everyones production. When everyone shines a little dimmer, talent still shines just as bright relative to everyone else
there will never be a basketball goat because in order for one to exist we would have to think all the same, and that will never happen because it's something completely subjective
1900s was one of the toughest eras💀 Hakeem, Malone, Kobe, Robinson, Barkley, Shaq, P Hardaway, T Hardaway, Gary Peyton, Alonzo, D Wilkins, Kemp, KG, Duncan, Stockton, Clyde, Ainge, Ewing, and John Starks. They are all greats but MJ was much better than all of them.
@@ynk-ike yeah guy cooked himself😂. The depth of talent and all star level players between today and literally any other era is just not even a contest
Bro the fact that kobe is a ball hog doesn't mean that he is bad he was insane and he was playing in the era with many hall of famers and good players, you're buggin man...
I DISAGREE 💯with the MJ🐐part. First of all you can’t control when you’re born. It’s not his fault that Magic, Bird and Isiah are all older than him and came into the league before he did. 🤷♂️ And as far as the league being watered down, watered down compared to what? There was NOTHING ELSE! There was no other form of basketball. Also someone won the championship every year. If it was so watered down why nobody else won those 6 times? And every team he faced in the Finals had HOF players. In sports you can only beat the people in front of you. You can’t control what you can’t control, something like league expansion. You just have to play. And NOBODY can tell me that MJ’s gifts and talent wouldn’t have led him to greatness REGARDLESS 💯 He dropped 63 on the World Champion Celtics which is still a playoff record 38 years later. There was no expansion in 1986 when that game took place. Bottom line is this. MJ🐐was special and he was headed for greatness REGARDLESS! And you mentioned what Bird said. Well Larry Bird also called Mike GOD disguised as MJ🐐 after that game.
Who told you that it's fault to be born late than Magic and so on? also he is like Kareem who needed Teammates like Pippen and Rodman... he just carried either. 😅😅
I think Kobe could be in the GOAT conversation. The things that he did with what he had were insane. He wasn’t very athletic, and only 6’6 with shoes on so he wasn’t the tallest on court. Yeah sure he had Shaq, but Jordan had Pippen who is a legendary defensive player, and Rodman who is a rebounding genius, and to top it off Jordan himself was freakishly gifted in many ways like being very athletic, big handed to the point where he could pick up a pumpkin with one hand, and almost a 50 inch vertical. I think Kobe could be called second best given that he was extremely knowledgeable when it came to basketball, and dedicated like Jordan.
jordan's asterix doesn't even hurt his case. more expansion teams, mean you give up talent on your own team, meaning your own teams depth is diluted. most of those teams weren't even expansion teams by the time jordan started winning, and the orlando magic were a powerhouse team by the time jordan started coming out of retirement. and possibly would of won the championship if shaq didn't get comfortable going into the finals.
The competition is good but his only big L is vs mavs. He carried a trash team on his early career but got beaten by stronger team. The warriors in 2015 is good competition but his teamates got injured and got no help and the 2017-2018 warriors is just unfair bruh. Just my perspective how crazy to do it in era like this where the skills and talents cant be compared on older era
About MJ being dominant in a watered down era, did you really forget that Shaq, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, and Reggie Miller existed in this era too
They watered down the league with other NBA players from other teams, and those team you mentioned were in the playoffs shortly after they were made as teams. Only two teams sucked, Grizzlies and Raptors.
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Michael, Pippen, and Rodman still had to face the best of the best the nba had to offer. Karl Malone and John Stockton were the BEST pick and roll duo in NBA HISTORY! Stop it
Jordan’s bulls were a 50+ win and second round team without him, and the only reason they won when he came back was because they got Horace grant back who filled out their weak center issue
@_M1-9 also imagine all Brons team without him will they win a championship? I think Miami has chance but Cavs and Lakers I don't think they will ever win a ring
@@_M1-9 not to mention the bulls lost by 10 in a game 7, which the Knicks ended up going to the finals and also lost in 7 to Hakeem, if the ball fell the right way the bulls could’ve very realistically made a finals appearance without Jordan
I get it’s your opinion but at least during his mvp seasons, Bird was BY FAR the best player in the league. His lethal scoring, clutchness, and will for the game was unmatched. Magic had Kareem, and was a bit shakey at times. He would mess up in big moments, especially from 82-86. Bird was the man who wanted to take the final shot, and most of the time, it was going in
2:43 How tf does that affect the top tier teams? I seriously hate this false narrative that adding teams somehow makes championships weaker. If 5 High School teams were added to the NBA tomorrow, it won't make winning a championship any easier. The top 8 teams from each conference still make the playoffs, the bottom feeding teams will still be bottom feeding. 3:36 MJ still whooped him before his retirement. If he didn't retire, Jordan would still beat the Lakers. Casuals try to push this silly narrative that Magic was out of his prime or something. No.. 91' was one of his better seasons, he literally just won MVP the season prior. In 91' he was All NBA 1st Team, and came 2nd in MVP right behind MJ. 3:40 Bird was already losing to the Pistons by the late 80s. 3:45 Once Jordan got a 1 single developed allstar teammate. The Pistons weren't a threat. People need to understand that the only reason these teams were beating Jordan in the 80s is cause Jordan was on a garbage lottery team with teammates who couldn't even dream of making an allstar team for their entire career. Give Jordan even a decent team and he beats Birds Celtics, Magics Lakers, and Isiah Pistons even if all 3 teams joined together into ONE SUPERTEAM. We literally have evidence of this when Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullen, Alvin Robertson, etc whooped an NBA Allstar team that was a combination of the Celtics, Pistons, and Lakers *8-0* 3:48 Len Bias wouldn't have been on Jordan's level. He had good talent but not the work ethic or mindset. While Jordan was improving year by year through rigorous training and playing. Len was out partying and doing drugs. 4:08 It's tough to become an all time greats when Jordan is the one winning everything. Such a poor argument by a clear casual.
@@Yooojayy See, the thing about butthurt casuals like yourself is, you're actually unable to give a rebuttal to anything I said, so you just say pathetic nonsense like "hE dOnT kNo YoU!!!1 u WrOnG!!" cause you're coping.
Pippen had his best and most efficient years under Jordan, he never averaged above 50% FG in a season without Jordan, only made 1 All-Star team without Jordan, was mediocre at best during his first few seasons (including his rookie year where he came off the bench averaging 8 ppg), played very inconsistently during the Bulls' 2nd 3 peat, and regularly disappeared against the Bad Boy Pistons. Magic had top 5 player of all time Kareem and James Worthy who was better than Pippen. Kareem had two of the top 5 PGs, Magic and Oscar. Wilt had Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer, and Gail Goodrich. Bill Russell had multiple HOFers on his stacked teams. Bird had McHale who was better than Ppppen in his prime and Robert Parish. Kobe had prime Shaq, who had a top 3 prime ever and Pau Gasol. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. LeBron had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and a prime AD. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, and young but still solid Kawhi Leonard, Curry and Durant played with multiple stars. In reality, Jordan had less help than pretty much any consensus top 12 player outside of maybe Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@HugoSoup57 so much false narratives, but I wont get into details as time is money. Jordan never ever won a championship without pip. Pip without Jordan had more success in terms of basketball than MJ without Pip, facts!
Kobe shouldn't even be in the Goat debate, there isn't even an argument to put him over Shaq how can anyone think he can be over Tim Duncan, Kareem, Lbj and Mj
jordan was the leading scorer of the league each year he won a championship, 6 times. Only 4 other people have been the leading scorer at the same year they won a championship, and only one of those 4 did it more than 1 time, just twice. That stat alone and also the spectacle of watching him play as his style is one of the best showcases of athletic ability and skill in the history of sports, makes him the goat of hooping. but MY goat/favourite player is Kareem Abdul Jabaar
watered down era arg for Jordan is kind of dumb. the main reason being while his competition was not the same it was still good. Shaq, Karl Malone, Patrick, Stockton and plenty of other Hof level players. yes the league did lose greats but it was still decent and of that time Michael Jordan got mvps over people like those. Hof players. he did not get "lucky" even though he was better off by no means was it watered down. it was still great and Jordan dominated the 90s which is why he is the best. how about that time he won mvp in the 1987 to 88 which was when magic and bird were doing amazing. that same season he was dpoty, got his second scoring title and was an all star. he was doing exceptionally well in the 80s and that was not his prime. he came second in mvp voting in 88 to 89. in 90 to 91 he won mvp over David Robinson, magic Johnson(Non prime) and Charles Barkley. He also carried a dogcrap bulls to to the playoffs onwards from 1985 until Scottie Pippen came and then plenty more where by that time the bulls would not be bad by itself (without Jordan). but they still needed Jordan. here is the roster for the 93 to 94 season where the bulls did not have Jordan. Armstrong, BJ Blount, Corie Cartwright, Bill English, Jo Jo Grant Horace Johnson, Dave Kerr, Steve Kukoc, Toni Longley, Luc Myers, Pete Paxson, John Perdue, Will Pippen, Scottie Wennington, Bill Williams, Scott .....It was a good team but without Michael they did not make it past the conference semifinals in 7 against the knicks. Then in the 96 season which was the bulls best season and one of the most dominant teams their competition was the Seattle supersonics which had: Gary Payton and Shawn kemp leading the team. two top players Askew Vincent Brickowski, Frank Ford, Sherell Hawkins, Hersey Johnson, Ervin McMillan, Nate Perkins, Sam Scheffler, Steve Schrempf, Detlef Snow, Eric Wingate, David were the rest of the roster, now this finals went to six in the end Jordan and the bulls prevailing. now imagine Jordan was not there, the outcome would have been different. Scottie Pippen and Dennis (while being the best rebounder), that was it. so them two against Gary Peyton and Shawn kemp would not be favorable. however Jordan led the team in points two times in that finals while Dennis was an x factor leading that finals in rebounds. however again that shows that Dennis is the greatest rebounder while Michael Jordan leads in point averages as well that finals. Jordan is goated and I'm doing this for fun so don't really mind me. just speaking some of my mind and personally think that there could be a better argument ig but nice vid.
"michael jordan got lucky so hes not the goat" theres no such thing as luck. luck doesnt exist and theres no evidence of it. so no your argument is completely irrelevant.
Saying Michaels era was watered down is a joke. Even if there were new teams still developing he still had to beat the best of the best the NBA had to offer to win the championship. Karl Malone and John Stockton were THE BEST PICK AND ROLL DUO IN NBA HISTORY and they still couldn't beat Michael. You didn't expose Michael, you made a bunch of jokes, it would've fit the mood better with clown music in the background
@@jayso-z6i Are you braindead? 'Karl makin' averaged 25 through his career, instead of trying to undermine an opinion superior to yours how about you fix that grammar. It's not spelled "ur" it's "your". You little kid.
@@jayso-z6i This "Karl makin" guy you are talking about averaged 25 points per game throughout his career, and won several MVPs over Jordan. Instead of challenging a well thought out and developed opinion with utter garbage how about you start learning how to spell correctly. It's spelled "Your" not "ur"...
Kobe was not getting by Shaq and was robbed kobe average 29.4 ppg 7.6 rebound 6.1 assist shap average 30.1 ppg 15.4rebound 2.1 assist as you see Kobe Holds his own and Kobe was robbed out of 3 mvps 2003 2006 2007 he 100% deserve 2008 and arguably 2013 thank you very much Kobe is the goat
this is unironically one of the reasons why lebron IS the goat. on of if not THE biggest reason why he isn’t the goat is because of his losing finals record. that’s impressive. and even more than that his only finals that we really look at as bad is the one where he went against a literal greek god of a player. dirk literally SWEPT the defending champion lakers and steamrolled through everyone. that’s the one series lebron did bad in. the series that a dude literally got a gods blessing to win. lebron made it 10 times. that’s impressive.
they two different people bro... what you mean make up your mind? you are either very very thick headed or just straight up arrogant cause he dissed them. Get over it we all know Bronny james aka LEsperm is the goat.
How are you gonna slander Magic for being on a team with Kareem, Then slander Kareem for getting championships with all time greats like him- Make up your mind.
I think that you also needed to add in Lebrons case that if you are not the best during your era, you can't be the GOAT, that you cannot be the GOAT if there are other players that won more championships than you during your time... 🤷
But Jordan still went against those players and got old and was forced to play against newer players in their prime like AI, shaq, or kobe. The pistons his timing was STRONG, and he loss to Boston Celtics in the 80s when the celtics had alot of all stars in the team
I don’t see Killian Hayes getting exposed, I know my GOAT 😤
He got nothing over Thanasis 😤
My sultan Brian scalabrine would smoke all these guys😤
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Nah he got nothing over Kleber. Kleber averages like 5 points cant beat that.
Y’all don’t know Popeyes Jones, 6’8 and can’t dunk
So Thanasis the goat?
yes
Obviously
duh
Crazy how he aint mention LGBTWade
Yes...a scapegoat. 🤣
unfortunate is the perfect description for birds career. A healthy Larry would have been an even bigger menace
You could also argue that he wouldn't be seen as a top performer if he didn't do what he needed to do.
Birds final “healthy” season (84-85) is his statistically best season, yes even better than 85-86. If he was healthier and his teammates didn’t have bad injury luck, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics would have been able to win at least another title and compete in the late 80’s and early 90’s, as if they weren’t already
@@jaycob1830 I'd say 87-88 was his best statistical season, though not by much. He averaged 30 9 and 6 on 50-40-90 splits, and it's the second highest scoring 50-40-90 season ever behind 2016 Curry. The Celtics won 6 fewer games, but it's still just as impressive considering that DJ and Parish had regressed quite a bit at that point. He was definitely still in his prime, he played 39 minutes per game in 76 games
Imagine a health Celtics team they would have had Reggie Lewis, Len bias, and Larry bird, they could have won another 5 rings together
@@revakriid Larry didn't injured himself in basketball..he injured his back carrying cement for their driveway or so i read
So consensus goat is Tim Duncan only goat canidate with no flaws or asteriks.
exactly
Stats don’t mean everything 🤨
@@Post2k69great video! Not trying to make you feel bad or anything but I’d like to share my opinion on lebron. Only one thing about lebron at the end is even though he was 4-6 he had to face teams like the spurs with kawhi, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobill, and Tim Duncan and then the warriors not to mention he was forced to carry the team in multiple years for example the 2015 nba finals, Kyrie was one of the main scorers and was injuried and not to mention that Kevin Love didn’t even play in the 2015 NBA finals because of a shoulder injury against Boston. So if lebron had better teammates he probably wouldn’t have that record I agree in 2011 he was terrible on the court and it was just outrageous and 2013 Ray Allen saved lebron’s career (I guess?) so 2015 should’ve been a ring, and that would mean he is 5-5 including Ray allen’s shot because history is history but I don’t think with Kyrie and Kevin love both healthy that he’s beating 2017 and 2018 warriors but loved the video just subbed! 🔥🔥🔥
Too much help
Advanced stats will you David Robinson was lowkey better
This might be one of the best basketball videos I’ve ever watched. Short and quick, but packed with information. Also, all the little editing details make it so much better. You’re gonna be up there with JxmyHighroller soon bro. KEEP GRINDING🚀
I appreciate the kind words man - means a lot :)
4-6 is such a stupid argument; as it’s impressive that you made it to the finals 10 times. 11:42 His top 3 finals performances are 3 finals he lost because he was playing against the best team ever assembled. If you want to say a 4-6 resume can’t make LeBron the goat, then why do you not talk about Jordan’s first round exits? Well simple, that’s stupid. Jordan carried his bulls to the playoffs, put up insane stats (like scoring the most playoff points) and still losing. After LeBron first 2 finals, he stopped chocking; so the 4-6 isn’t really his fault. (I’m a Jordan fan btw lol)
Real as a kd fan
I agree, that was honestly a terrible argument. Especially based on the teams he had vs the competition.
That’s what I’m saying bro
We do talk about Jordan first round loses 😭😭😭 if you are a so called “Jordan fan” you should know thats what Lebron Fans always say
@@rocbot9479 This is just the typical lebron fan argument
10 finals is impressive but when your coming out of a historically weak conference and on stacked teams it’s not impressive your going to make a lot of finals with those circumstances. That’s why magic and Kareem made so many they were on stacked teams and in that horrid 80’s west.
07 for example that east was putrid garbage. He beat 1 above 500 team and that was the pistons with no Ben Wallace and a new coach. He played the 41-41 wizards with no agent 0 and Caron butler, then the 41-41 nets who were a 6 seed cause the east was so bad. The 5th seed in the west would be the 2nd best team in the east that year. the 51 win 5 seed jazz would have been the 2nd best team in the east had they been there that’s how ass the east was. And it was like that ALOT of years.
2017 he could have won or at least made it more competitive if he hadn’t let KD average 35 on his DOME on 55/47/92 splits nearly 50/50 splits is absurd. he couldn’t guard KD to save his life. But nobody talks about this and just gives excuses for bron like a child
And nobody talks about Jordan’s 1st round exits because there first round exits… they were supposed to be loosing as the 8th seed in the first round… Lebron will be on stacked teams, run through a putrid conference then loose. Then get hyped up for running through said weak conference just to loose. And I hope you know saying “ im a fan of ___ “ doesn’t excuse the crap you say
To be honest the watered down argument can be said for the 2010s too. They expanded the roster spots from 12 to 18 adding around 192 players to the league.
actually it can't because the kd warriors and spurs existed
@@sportstalkonly1442 Lmao 😂
watered down in the sense of making it easier to be in the league, doesn't make teams weaker though which is what people are talking about with mj's era
@@hmmmmmm6901 what's funny?
😭😭
Ironic. One guy's opinion, about other people's opinions. Conclusion, there is no such thing as a perfect person/player. Shocking!
So u don't know thanasis
There is one perfect person and his name was Jesus
@@SimplyCIutch Was he a point guard or center?
@@SimplyCIutchis he a person?
Point GOD@@chrisbrooks6756
muggsy bogues stands on top
on top of wemby's shoulders
Metaphorically speaking? 😂😂
@@SeanLee-wk6xm both
FAX
@@Post2k69what about curry
thumbnail clean, video even cleaner. 10/10 this one gonna get A LOT of views; might break the million mark even.
appreciate the love bro
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@@Post2k69does this mean Tim Duncan is the goat?
Notice how he didn't even mention Brian scalabrine so as not to dirty his holy name 🔥
Bro acting like mj didn’t have a challenge 😂
mj didnt tho?
His GOAT is MJ cuz is the one that most apeared at final seconds and the video is 12:23 long(MJ)
no one cares
@@TheNukistit’s actually interesting
Who says that’s his goat?
I Don't see Thanasis 😤 He the real Goat
I think you're getting Thanasis confused with Thanos.
@@buzzerbeater3350LOL
LaMelo LaFrance Ball didnt get roasted here. Goat☝🏻
hes not in the convo (I get the sarcasm)
Can't wait, years down the line perhaps there will be a "Exposing Every NBA RUclipsR GOAT"
- JxmyHighroller
- Andy Hoops
- Dom 2k
- Nonstop
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0:49 why tf is tmac there
Where💀
@@ToksubsDja few seconds later t mcgrady is there lmao
Lemme fix this
:Lebrons comeback in 2016
:MJ’s 3 peat and had a strong era
:Kobe was able to win without Shaq
Top three all time no question
Mj goat btw
lol timmy d is better than kobe
@@m.ahmed.y1723 me when I say dumb shit online
@@m.ahmed.y1723Timmy D aint even better than Shaq lol
@@Mysterion907 if shaq better than duncan than shaq is also better than kobe
@@m.ahmed.y1723Duncan stats vs Kobe as a first option: 21 points, 49% TS
Kobe as a first option stats vs Duncan: 29 points, 58% TS (14-5 record)
Duncan stats vs Shaq as a first option: 25 points, 54% TS
Shaq stats vs Duncan as a first option: 24 points, 54% TS (14-10 record)
Nice try, Duncan isn’t on Kobe’s level, slightly lower than Shaq.
saying the 90s is a watered down era is crazy cuz of expansion
Stop being biased and nostalgic. It was watered down
It's usually the youngsters that say the 90s were watered down. People who were around to watch the games know it wasn't.
@@NathanWhyte-m8l that is just not true. how where they washed?
bruh Dennis Rodman said himself, it's not something the young generation came up with
@@vihaananish4268 i mean i would not say it's watered. it was still close to being as good as the 80s tbh
Sorry but MJ carried the bulls for a while until they got Scottie and Rodman but MJ still did most of the work
There’s nothing to expose about my king AI
0 championships don't even say no help cuz kawhi
@@sol-ng9go Ai never played with Kawhi
@@Chaotic-yy8nt Yeah i meant like kawhi basically had no help
@@sol-ng9go mb but for his first ring he had the goat pf but 2 he carried his team
@@Chaotic-yy8nt 0 chips with worse efficiency than kobe is crazy
Underrated as hell W video bro keep it up
appreciate that bro :)
kobe is NOT in the goat debate
Bro you are absolutely nuts how is he not if he's one of the players in his era and maybe nba
So, I agree there's no basketball goat. There's goats for each generation and lets just leave it like that. Please.
that’s something i always wondered when i was younger is why isn’t kobe ever mentioned as the goat
Nah Kobe is always mentionned as the goat
@@Roza_dlo He’s my fav player, but he’s unfortunately not in the goat convo
Wilt played as the coach said
When the coach said he must play assist, he's assist goes up
Hes a versatile player
He doesnt want to be fouled out as he is not only an offensive machine. He is very important in defense
The arguement of Jordan not being the GOAT could be just Jordan didnt play for 5 seasons where he could still be very effective in the NBA. He missed 1994, majority of 1995, 1999-2001 season. This might be the main reason why Lebron and Jordan debate was so close because Jordan retired when he could still be playing on an elite level while Lebron longevity is the best I think we would see in our lifetimes
Jordan did the right thing retiring in 98. He was still the best player in the world in 98, but Pippen and Rodman had already started declining. Pippen's scoring declined after 98 since his injury and Rodman started playing reduced minutes starting 98. The Bulls was considered by many as the underdog that year but Jordan made it work. If he kept playing, he would have gone back to his status in the 80s where he performed exceptionally well but his team would keep losing.
@@techfreakjames greatly said
Bro bugs bunny beats all 8 of these category 18 goofy goobers😂
Your content is always so good my guy, where did you learn to edit btw? your storytelling is incredible but your editing is ridiculous
Found both of you guys at the same time. Both great content creators
@@xoirvinn Appreciate that my guy, Post makes bangers for sure
mannn you show so much love bro, I really appreciate it. I watch lots of RUclips tutorials, documentaries, and other creators outside of basketball to get a taste of how they edit and see what I can implement. the editing for this video took a disgusting amount of time haha but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
They disrespected curry
In my opinion Hakeem is the goat 😊
this is how i view it, there will never be a goat, the era and game changes and the players continue to make history every day. the circumstances make it almost impossible to figure out a goat...
Make a part 2 with Tim, Shaq, Hakeem, Steph & KD
Hakeem??????????!!!!!!
None of those besides Shaq are legitimate candidates
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@@d3adyoutubeaccount for GOAT? Shaq? absolutely not
@@PackerKeely31067 Shaq has a higher case than Tim lol.
The disrespect on Kobe is crazy
Jxmy esque quality vid
thank you bro :)
pro editor here imo, this guy better at editing and everything else is up to par if not better, post will be really big one day
When addressing claims about a "weak" era, you can assert that Michael Jordan’s success with only one primary All-Star, Scottie Pippen, highlights his exceptional individual talent and ability to lead his team to greatness under competitive conditions. This perspective underscores that Jordan's achievements are significant and reflective of his extraordinary skill and impact, regardless of the era's perceived strength.
Michael Jordan’s combination of fundamentally sound skills and extraordinary athleticism, coupled with his high basketball IQ, made him a uniquely complete player. His fundamental skills allowed him to excel in various aspects of the game, while his athleticism provided him with the edge to outperform defenders. His basketball IQ enabled him to make smart decisions and maximize his impact on both ends of the floor. Together, these qualities made Jordan not just a great player, but arguably the greatest of all time. Respect the Goat!!
saying 90s are watered down but then you got teams today tanking to get better draft picks.
i was not even alive during the 90s but seeing the footage made it seem more difficult to score during that time given how slow the pace is and how much more physical they are compared to other decades of nba basketball.
today's nba is much more favored to cater the offense while it was the opposite during the 90s and early 2000s. heck, nba even made carrying and travelling somehow legal to make today's players look good. lol
Facts.
But still its the same dude mj had 2 all time greats by his side
And the talent level between 90s and today are not even close
@@lakpasherpa2994 you talking about pippen and rodman? yes they are great but those players cant carry teams to a chaimpionship as the main guy. they are talented but not on the offensive end. most of the time MJ was the one carrying the offense for the bulls whether off the ball or on the ball while still playing high level defense.
talent today is severly overrated. just because they are better 3pt shooters doesnt mean they are way better players than before. rules cater to the offense now. players allowed to take more than 3 steps, allowed to carry the ball and getting and 1s through minor bumps that the offensive player initiated in the first place.
bringing back physicality and you see most of the stars today get exposed how much they struggle. whenever playoffs are around, you see a dipped in their production because the nba allow more some of the physicality used back in the day. suddenly some stars are not as good as you think they are.
would be so interesting watching today's players get defended by the bad boy pistons or riley's knicks.
It's facts that the 90s were watered down. How is slow pace and physicality related to talent levels? Slower pace and physicality, are conscious decisions by the league at that time, and independent of talent. Similarly, the league decided that more offense centered games is the norm. Nothing to do with talent levels
@@JayZone23No? Introducing physicality will reduce everyones production. When everyone shines a little dimmer, talent still shines just as bright relative to everyone else
there will never be a basketball goat because in order for one to exist we would have to think all the same, and that will never happen because it's something completely subjective
1900s was one of the toughest eras💀 Hakeem, Malone, Kobe, Robinson, Barkley, Shaq, P Hardaway, T Hardaway, Gary Peyton, Alonzo, D Wilkins, Kemp, KG, Duncan, Stockton, Clyde, Ainge, Ewing, and John Starks. They are all greats but MJ was much better than all of them.
Ok sure pal
Putting Danny ainge and John starks in the same convo as the rest of these players is wild. Also u forgot grant hill and Tim hardaway
@@ynk-ike yeah guy cooked himself😂. The depth of talent and all star level players between today and literally any other era is just not even a contest
Half that list were 2000s. KG, Duncan and Kobe
Danny Ainge is really a name you listed 💀💀💀
Only thing 90s had were Centers. That's it...
I love Bird but his defense was just adequate. Never made a defensive team.
"it's gonna sound crazy"
Nah just sounds stupid
To be the greatest player you have to be the best at your position and I feel that really puts these players into perspective.
DO NOT LET HIM COOK
He did fn 😭🙏
crying cause your fav got slapped and exposed
@@KingoftheLions-z87I'm just saying bro was not cooking with this video
@@Luvplaysgaming That's not what it sounded like. It sounds like you were praising him. The creator even liked your comment LOL
@@BenjaminJ707 praising who?
Bro the fact that kobe is a ball hog doesn't mean that he is bad he was insane and he was playing in the era with many hall of famers and good players, you're buggin man...
I DISAGREE 💯with the MJ🐐part. First of all you can’t control when you’re born. It’s not his fault that Magic, Bird and Isiah are all older than him and came into the league before he did. 🤷♂️ And as far as the league being watered down, watered down compared to what? There was NOTHING ELSE! There was no other form of basketball. Also someone won the championship every year. If it was so watered down why nobody else won those 6 times? And every team he faced in the Finals had HOF players. In sports you can only beat the people in front of you. You can’t control what you can’t control, something like league expansion. You just have to play. And NOBODY can tell me that MJ’s gifts and talent wouldn’t have led him to greatness REGARDLESS 💯 He dropped 63 on the World Champion Celtics which is still a playoff record 38 years later. There was no expansion in 1986 when that game took place. Bottom line is this. MJ🐐was special and he was headed for greatness REGARDLESS! And you mentioned what Bird said. Well Larry Bird also called Mike GOD disguised as MJ🐐 after that game.
Facts
Blah blah blah he isnt the goat it was a ass era dont use nostalgia as a goat case
90s era was still trash u can literally check the rosters of the 90s lol
chill lol. nobody faulting MJ, everybody just saying the odds were in his favor, it is what it is.
Who told you that it's fault to be born late than Magic and so on? also he is like Kareem who needed Teammates like Pippen and Rodman... he just carried either. 😅😅
I think Kobe could be in the GOAT conversation. The things that he did with what he had were insane. He wasn’t very athletic, and only 6’6 with shoes on so he wasn’t the tallest on court. Yeah sure he had Shaq, but Jordan had Pippen who is a legendary defensive player, and Rodman who is a rebounding genius, and to top it off Jordan himself was freakishly gifted in many ways like being very athletic, big handed to the point where he could pick up a pumpkin with one hand, and almost a 50 inch vertical. I think Kobe could be called second best given that he was extremely knowledgeable when it came to basketball, and dedicated like Jordan.
good work m'boy, i have high hopes for your channel young man
OMG THANK YOU LEBRON! I'm a big fan
jordan's asterix doesn't even hurt his case. more expansion teams, mean you give up talent on your own team, meaning your own teams depth is diluted. most of those teams weren't even expansion teams by the time jordan started winning, and the orlando magic were a powerhouse team by the time jordan started coming out of retirement. and possibly would of won the championship if shaq didn't get comfortable going into the finals.
You just have to remember that LeBron not only had the hardest playoff run but also the hardest finals opponents
Ok and? He made a point that if you’re the goat you have to be the best in your era so if his competition was too good he just wasn’t good enough
The east is a lot easier to go to the finals then the west
The competition is good but his only big L is vs mavs. He carried a trash team on his early career but got beaten by stronger team. The warriors in 2015 is good competition but his teamates got injured and got no help and the 2017-2018 warriors is just unfair bruh. Just my perspective how crazy to do it in era like this where the skills and talents cant be compared on older era
You can’t be the goat when your competition is out there creating dynasties in your prime.
@@Hrshshsh lebron was the best in his era js bad team and curry, kd, klay, draymond, iggy gave him his 4/6
About MJ being dominant in a watered down era, did you really forget that Shaq, Karl Malone, John Stockton, Clyde Drexler, Hakeem Olajuwon, Charles Barkley, and Reggie Miller existed in this era too
Outliers are gonna exist in any circumstance
They watered down the league with other NBA players from other teams, and those team you mentioned were in the playoffs shortly after they were made as teams. Only two teams sucked, Grizzlies and Raptors.
Those teams sucked lol stop it
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Did either one of those Teams make the playoffs in the 90s? Yeah, shut up.
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Michael, Pippen, and Rodman still had to face the best of the best the nba had to offer. Karl Malone and John Stockton were the BEST pick and roll duo in NBA HISTORY! Stop it
@@BenjaminJ707 stockton and malone. C'mon dawg.........
Also he had Kucoc and Grant
@@mjsup1 Every team in the 90's either fell off from the 80's or sucked
If there was a whole world at stake, and there would be few seconds left for the last attack. You would give the ball to MJ. No question about that.
@@AmigoAmigo-w5p Nah, Iguodala.
Argument against Jordan is luck?😂nothing else? Shows who the goat is
Literally name one player who played Jordan in the 90's who averaged 25ppg or more.
Jordan’s bulls were a 50+ win and second round team without him, and the only reason they won when he came back was because they got Horace grant back who filled out their weak center issue
@@internetexplorer7204 And compare that with cavs without lebron. its crazy
@_M1-9 also imagine all Brons team without him will they win a championship? I think Miami has chance but Cavs and Lakers I don't think they will ever win a ring
@@_M1-9 not to mention the bulls lost by 10 in a game 7, which the Knicks ended up going to the finals and also lost in 7 to Hakeem, if the ball fell the right way the bulls could’ve very realistically made a finals appearance without Jordan
I get it’s your opinion but at least during his mvp seasons, Bird was BY FAR the best player in the league. His lethal scoring, clutchness, and will for the game was unmatched. Magic had Kareem, and was a bit shakey at times. He would mess up in big moments, especially from 82-86. Bird was the man who wanted to take the final shot, and most of the time, it was going in
2:43 How tf does that affect the top tier teams? I seriously hate this false narrative that adding teams somehow makes championships weaker. If 5 High School teams were added to the NBA tomorrow, it won't make winning a championship any easier. The top 8 teams from each conference still make the playoffs, the bottom feeding teams will still be bottom feeding.
3:36 MJ still whooped him before his retirement. If he didn't retire, Jordan would still beat the Lakers. Casuals try to push this silly narrative that Magic was out of his prime or something. No.. 91' was one of his better seasons, he literally just won MVP the season prior. In 91' he was All NBA 1st Team, and came 2nd in MVP right behind MJ.
3:40 Bird was already losing to the Pistons by the late 80s.
3:45 Once Jordan got a 1 single developed allstar teammate. The Pistons weren't a threat.
People need to understand that the only reason these teams were beating Jordan in the 80s is cause Jordan was on a garbage lottery team with teammates who couldn't even dream of making an allstar team for their entire career. Give Jordan even a decent team and he beats Birds Celtics, Magics Lakers, and Isiah Pistons even if all 3 teams joined together into ONE SUPERTEAM. We literally have evidence of this when Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullen, Alvin Robertson, etc whooped an NBA Allstar team that was a combination of the Celtics, Pistons, and Lakers *8-0*
3:48 Len Bias wouldn't have been on Jordan's level. He had good talent but not the work ethic or mindset. While Jordan was improving year by year through rigorous training and playing. Len was out partying and doing drugs.
4:08 It's tough to become an all time greats when Jordan is the one winning everything.
Such a poor argument by a clear casual.
Yeah the whole "got lucky" section for MJ made me lose trust in what this dude says
Gawk gawk gawk he doesn’t know u
@@Yooojayy aww do the facts upset you? Need a tissue?
@@libfit9068 no ur just wrong 🤣
@@Yooojayy See, the thing about butthurt casuals like yourself is, you're actually unable to give a rebuttal to anything I said, so you just say pathetic nonsense like "hE dOnT kNo YoU!!!1 u WrOnG!!" cause you're coping.
Kobe over Steph is a crime
Tldr: Tim Duncan is the GOAT
The fact he says he doesn’t criticize Dave DeBusschere 😏 I know my GOAT!🐐
Bro needs to keep talking fax😤
That mavericks meltdown was just disgusting by Lebron…unacceptable, how do you vouch for him after that?????
Jordan was selfish he not only got lucky, he also had an all time great by his side who was not selfish at all
Pippen had his best and most efficient years under Jordan, he never averaged above 50% FG in a season without Jordan, only made 1 All-Star team without Jordan, was mediocre at best during his first few seasons (including his rookie year where he came off the bench averaging 8 ppg), played very inconsistently during the Bulls' 2nd 3 peat, and regularly disappeared against the Bad Boy Pistons. Magic had top 5 player of all time Kareem and James Worthy who was better than Pippen. Kareem had two of the top 5 PGs, Magic and Oscar. Wilt had Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer, and Gail Goodrich. Bill Russell had multiple HOFers on his stacked teams. Bird had McHale who was better than Ppppen in his prime and Robert Parish. Kobe had prime Shaq, who had a top 3 prime ever and Pau Gasol. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. LeBron had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and a prime AD. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, and young but still solid Kawhi Leonard, Curry and Durant played with multiple stars. In reality, Jordan had less help than pretty much any consensus top 12 player outside of maybe Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@HugoSoup57 so much false narratives, but I wont get into details as time is money. Jordan never ever won a championship without pip. Pip without Jordan had more success in terms of basketball than MJ without Pip, facts!
Kobe shouldn't even be in the Goat debate, there isn't even an argument to put him over Shaq how can anyone think he can be over Tim Duncan, Kareem, Lbj and Mj
If the only thing you have against MJ is that he got lucky then that shows me how much of A GOAT he actually is 😂😂
jordan was the leading scorer of the league each year he won a championship, 6 times. Only 4 other people have been the leading scorer at the same year they won a championship, and only one of those 4 did it more than 1 time, just twice. That stat alone and also the spectacle of watching him play as his style is one of the best showcases of athletic ability and skill in the history of sports, makes him the goat of hooping.
but MY goat/favourite player is Kareem Abdul Jabaar
So ja morant better
of course
@@Post2k69 🤯🤯
exactly
@@Post2k69 25 games
@@L.internet8fr
Let’s get this straight, he exposes them but never told us the REAL GOAT
Its curry
@@kskdjdndjcap his arguments were all dumb
This leaves Tim Duncan the goat
Get serious.
I think Lebrons argument was the worst cause you could say that about any player, everybody on this list has choked at least one time.
Curry
He sucks at defense.
@@victorseda8847 top 12 or 11
notice how 5'9 isaiah thomas isnt on here...🐐
watered down era arg for Jordan is kind of dumb. the main reason being while his competition was not the same it was still good. Shaq, Karl Malone, Patrick, Stockton and plenty of other Hof level players. yes the league did lose greats but it was still decent and of that time Michael Jordan got mvps over people like those. Hof players. he did not get "lucky" even though he was better off by no means was it watered down. it was still great and Jordan dominated the 90s which is why he is the best. how about that time he won mvp in the 1987 to 88 which was when magic and bird were doing amazing. that same season he was dpoty, got his second scoring title and was an all star. he was doing exceptionally well in the 80s and that was not his prime. he came second in mvp voting in 88 to 89. in 90 to 91 he won mvp over David Robinson, magic Johnson(Non prime) and Charles Barkley. He also carried a dogcrap bulls to to the playoffs onwards from 1985 until Scottie Pippen came and then plenty more where by that time the bulls would not be bad by itself (without Jordan). but they still needed Jordan. here is the roster for the 93 to 94 season where the bulls did not have Jordan.
Armstrong, BJ
Blount, Corie
Cartwright, Bill
English, Jo Jo
Grant Horace
Johnson, Dave
Kerr, Steve
Kukoc, Toni
Longley, Luc
Myers, Pete
Paxson, John
Perdue, Will
Pippen, Scottie
Wennington, Bill
Williams, Scott
.....It was a good team but without Michael they did not make it past the conference semifinals in 7 against the knicks. Then in the 96 season which was the bulls best season and one of the most dominant teams their competition was the Seattle supersonics which had: Gary Payton and Shawn kemp leading the team. two top players
Askew Vincent
Brickowski, Frank
Ford, Sherell
Hawkins, Hersey
Johnson, Ervin
McMillan, Nate
Perkins, Sam
Scheffler, Steve
Schrempf, Detlef
Snow, Eric
Wingate, David were the rest of the roster,
now this finals went to six in the end Jordan and the bulls prevailing. now imagine Jordan was not there, the outcome would have been different. Scottie Pippen and Dennis (while being the best rebounder), that was it. so them two against Gary Peyton and Shawn kemp would not be favorable. however Jordan led the team in points two times in that finals while Dennis was an x factor leading that finals in rebounds. however again that shows that Dennis is the greatest rebounder while Michael Jordan leads in point averages as well that finals. Jordan is goated and I'm doing this for fun so don't really mind me. just speaking some of my mind and personally think that there could be a better argument ig but nice vid.
U sad ash
They hate MJ.
@@mastermace7770 naw they hate lebron everybody sucks mj off
"michael jordan got lucky so hes not the goat" theres no such thing as luck. luck doesnt exist and theres no evidence of it. so no your argument is completely irrelevant.
For every like this comment gets, I’ll do one push-up
For me accusing Era is just crazy it's not his fault
If it was so watered down someone else would have beat the bulls in the finals.
Bro tried exposing Jordan when all he did was prove that the competition was easy for him but for others it wasn't cuz he is so good 💀
Worst takes ever...
Jordan
Kobe
LeBron simple.....
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Lebron carrying Kevin love and some random fans he found in the cav’s arena to the finales is BAD for his legacy!?!?!?
@@iihydraa8293bro i seen someone say lebron got lucky in 2016 and it hurt his resume because it took no skill. Worst take Ive ever seen
@@WcoopW 💀💀💀 has bro watched the 2016 finals
I don’t see Brian Scalabrine getting exposed, I guess he’s the GOAT.
Saying Michaels era was watered down is a joke. Even if there were new teams still developing he still had to beat the best of the best the NBA had to offer to win the championship. Karl Malone and John Stockton were THE BEST PICK AND ROLL DUO IN NBA HISTORY and they still couldn't beat Michael. You didn't expose Michael, you made a bunch of jokes, it would've fit the mood better with clown music in the background
so ur telling me karl makin who averaged 8 point a game was a challenge to jordan popped and rodman? no use ur brain
@@jayso-z6i Are you braindead? 'Karl makin' averaged 25 through his career, instead of trying to undermine an opinion superior to yours how about you fix that grammar. It's not spelled "ur" it's "your". You little kid.
@@jayso-z6i This "Karl makin" guy you are talking about averaged 25 points per game throughout his career, and won several MVPs over Jordan. Instead of challenging a well thought out and developed opinion with utter garbage how about you start learning how to spell correctly. It's spelled "Your" not "ur"...
@WhiteGirlJessica Even if they are weak now, that is now, not then. Men played basketball in the 90s. Boys like LeBron play now
@@BenjaminJ707 Literally all they do is foul in the 90's. Is that your so called "defense"?
Dirk Nowitzki=GOAT
Kobe was not getting by Shaq and was robbed kobe average 29.4 ppg 7.6 rebound 6.1 assist shap average 30.1 ppg 15.4rebound 2.1 assist as you see Kobe Holds his own and Kobe was robbed out of 3 mvps 2003 2006 2007 he 100% deserve 2008 and arguably 2013 thank you very much Kobe is the goat
@@godwinmarandu8474 Not the goat but he was robbed 😔
@@_M1-9 it's your opinion kobe's my goal that doesn't mean it's your goat I understand you coming from
this is unironically one of the reasons why lebron IS the goat. on of if not THE biggest reason why he isn’t the goat is because of his losing finals record. that’s impressive. and even more than that his only finals that we really look at as bad is the one where he went against a literal greek god of a player. dirk literally SWEPT the defending champion lakers and steamrolled through everyone. that’s the one series lebron did bad in. the series that a dude literally got a gods blessing to win. lebron made it 10 times. that’s impressive.
just an disclaimer.kobe learned his lesson and thats how he won 5 chips
So you fault Larry for trying too hard, but fault Wilt for not trying enough. Make up your mind.
they two different people bro... what you mean make up your mind? you are either very very thick headed or just straight up arrogant cause he dissed them. Get over it we all know Bronny james aka LEsperm is the goat.
Tim Duncan has 5 rings
So u just gon avoid talking about everyone’s goat, Andre iguodalla!😤
I WANT IGUODALA
I just don't understand how someone could watch LeBron's career and still pick Jordan.
Nah Tatum clears all😤
lmao
EFREN "BATA" REYES, is the only UNDISPUTED GOAT in sports history
Don’t see Ben Simmons on here he’s my GOAT 😤😤😤
How are you gonna slander Magic for being on a team with Kareem, Then slander Kareem for getting championships with all time greats like him- Make up your mind.
I think that you also needed to add in Lebrons case that if you are not the best during your era, you can't be the GOAT, that you cannot be the GOAT if there are other players that won more championships than you during your time... 🤷
Somebody put this guy on ESPN please
But Jordan still went against those players and got old and was forced to play against newer players in their prime like AI, shaq, or kobe. The pistons his timing was STRONG, and he loss to Boston Celtics in the 80s when the celtics had alot of all stars in the team
2011 lebron is undeniably the worst performance in nba history
Anthony edward is like...Hey look at me im thinking differently all of u please look im trying to be different
In my personal opinion, if MJ is lucky then it means it was destined to be that way. MJ's destiny is to be GOAT
0.8 percent for Paul Pierce 😂
didnt see my goat Iverson get roasted!
Seeing Paul pierce at 1:01 is crazy 😂