Every great one have weakness but what makes them great is that they can expose your weakness or strengths it didn't matter and im pretty sure the creater of this video cannot do nothing the real "GOATS" did.😂😂😂 Now LeBron played the prime spurs team with a cavs team that really didn't like him but he carried them to the playoffs and finals! Next he played the super team Warriors and that warriors team was just too much really nobody could beat them that year. Until bron came back with Irving and went crazy. The Prime Spurs and Super Team Warriors can beat any other teams in any era lol that's how great them 2 teams was and LeBron didn't play scrubs in the finals like other so called "GOATS" did😂😂
@@Blizzyyadigg2112but every goat didn't play scrubs 😭. Magic played Dr J, moses, birds celtics and Isiah and MJ in the finals MJ played magic, MVP barkley, Clyde and Terry, Payton and Kemp. And Stockton and Malone 2x All HOF by the way You can make a case that Magic west competition was just as weak as Bron east comp Neither really had hard paths to get there
Birds final “healthy” season (84-85) is his statistically best season, yes even better than 85-86. If he was healthier and his teammates didn’t have bad injury luck, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics would have been able to win at least another title and compete in the late 80’s and early 90’s, as if they weren’t already
@@jaycob1830 I'd say 87-88 was his best statistical season, though not by much. He averaged 30 9 and 6 on 50-40-90 splits, and it's the second highest scoring 50-40-90 season ever behind 2016 Curry. The Celtics won 6 fewer games, but it's still just as impressive considering that DJ and Parish had regressed quite a bit at that point. He was definitely still in his prime, he played 39 minutes per game in 76 games
This might be one of the best basketball videos I’ve ever watched. Short and quick, but packed with information. Also, all the little editing details make it so much better. You’re gonna be up there with JxmyHighroller soon bro. KEEP GRINDING🚀
@@Post2k69great video! Not trying to make you feel bad or anything but I’d like to share my opinion on lebron. Only one thing about lebron at the end is even though he was 4-6 he had to face teams like the spurs with kawhi, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobill, and Tim Duncan and then the warriors not to mention he was forced to carry the team in multiple years for example the 2015 nba finals, Kyrie was one of the main scorers and was injuried and not to mention that Kevin Love didn’t even play in the 2015 NBA finals because of a shoulder injury against Boston. So if lebron had better teammates he probably wouldn’t have that record I agree in 2011 he was terrible on the court and it was just outrageous and 2013 Ray Allen saved lebron’s career (I guess?) so 2015 should’ve been a ring, and that would mean he is 5-5 including Ray allen’s shot because history is history but I don’t think with Kyrie and Kevin love both healthy that he’s beating 2017 and 2018 warriors but loved the video just subbed! 🔥🔥🔥
Michael Jordan lucky? what about playing Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, drexler and the crew, stockton and malone, david rodman, Tim Duncan, Hakeem the Dream, and Allen Iverson? all top 50 players most top 30. Michael is the goat
And yet, when we talk about the Jazz, Barkley, etc, we never talk about them winning. Michael was out of his prime for Duncan and Iverson, and never played abasing a good Hakeem. We look back on these players as overall losers, albeit great. We never attribute their losses to Jordan's success.
This is why the NBA GOAT debate SHOULD NOT exist. Basketball is a team sport, and there are a lot of things to take into context such as eras, rules, talents, gamestyle, health, etc.
I see what you’re saying, but then there shouldn’t ever be a debate on anyone being greater than anyone ever, which we obviously know that players are better than players. But I get it I don’t think there’s a goat in basketball either
To be honest the watered down argument can be said for the 2010s too. They expanded the roster spots from 12 to 18 adding around 192 players to the league.
watered down in the sense of making it easier to be in the league, doesn't make teams weaker though which is what people are talking about with mj's era
I honestly don’t know how MJ got lucky he had young Shaq in Orlando, which in my opinion is a problem for any team. Also there was Hakeem, Chuck, Clyde, John Stockton and Kobe in his 2nd 3peat. But there still might not be a GOAT
Look at their rosters beyond the first 1-2 players. Nothing. Jordan had the best front office, best team, literally the best possible teammate for him( Scottie), and stat padded against a bunch of crap NBA teams
The bulls made the second round of the playoffs offs in the two seasons Micheal went to play baseball. Take lebron off any of his teams they don’t even make the playoffs
1900s was one of the toughest eras💀 Hakeem, Malone, Kobe, Robinson, Barkley, Shaq, P Hardaway, T Hardaway, Gary Peyton, Alonzo, D Wilkins, Kemp, KG, Duncan, Stockton, Clyde, Ainge, Ewing, and John Starks. They are all greats but MJ was much better than all of them.
@@ynk-ike yeah guy cooked himself😂. The depth of talent and all star level players between today and literally any other era is just not even a contest
The most under rated player of all-time must be Jabbar. Anyone who claims to have had a better basketball career better wake up and slap themselves. With 3 NCAA titles at UCLA and all 3 Naismith awards. He only managed to win a measly 6 NBA MVP's and 6 NBA titles. The disrespect from sport media toward Jabbar has been well documented, and clearly still exist today.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 Bill did not score like Kareem did. No one has! Perhaps you forgot Jabbar has more FG's made than anyone ever. More points, MVP's and college titles than Jordan as well. No one has had the career that Jabbar has, check the stats bruh your straight trippin. Proving my point that too many folks have Jabbar under rated.
@@infiniteuniverse9528 Kareem played in one of, if not possibly the weakest era in all of basketball and didn't start winning more championships until he had stacked team. Also, Jordan only played 15 seasons, 4 of them he was either not healthy or couldn't even play fully
@@justyouraverageyoutuber5218"Weakest Era"? Including Bird and those mighty Celtics teams? Plus the 76ers as well? Jabbar already had 3 NCAA titles, 3 Naismith awards, NBA Rookie of the year, a scoring title and NBA title before he even moved to LA bruh. On his way to a measly 6 rings and 6 MVP's. Check the stats and stop trying to bellittle his accomplishments.
mannn you show so much love bro, I really appreciate it. I watch lots of RUclips tutorials, documentaries, and other creators outside of basketball to get a taste of how they edit and see what I can implement. the editing for this video took a disgusting amount of time haha but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Jordan was lucky??? 1st championship beats Magic 2nd beats Clyde Drexler 3rd beats Charles Barkley 4th and 5th beats John Stockton and Karl Malone 6th beats Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp 6-0
yeah the argument for jordan has to be the weakest its hard to argue against a perfect career like Jordans, its also really weak since the argument is that he got lucky and magic and birds prime were cut short, lie he wasn't averaging 45 against bird and the celtics in the 80s, he just didn't have help, the league expanding watering down the competition is a "decent argument" but to say that the 90s doesn't have all time greats is crazy, karl malone 3rd all time in points, john Stockton 1st in assist and 1st in steals, not to mention charles barkley, clyde drexler, gary payton, patrick ewing, dikembe mutombo these are all time greats, they only lack the hardware to show for it because they have no championships, but that is due to jordan beating them exepct hakeem who i almost forgot to mention who won 2 when jordan was retired ( i think he would have beaten jordan if he wasnt retired)
His 2016 finals performance and just fewer rings and mvps than magic disqualify him. And don't bring up Magic's performance in 1984 because he redeemed himself in the 1985 finals.
@@Sheistyy10 oh yeah Mr triple-double, Westbrook is my fave rn and I also wanted him to win a ring this year hopefully they become champion this year bcs he is getting old he needed some rings
2:43 How tf does that affect the top tier teams? I seriously hate this false narrative that adding teams somehow makes championships weaker. If 5 High School teams were added to the NBA tomorrow, it won't make winning a championship any easier. The top 8 teams from each conference still make the playoffs, the bottom feeding teams will still be bottom feeding, it doesn't make the path to the finals any easier like you claim. You clearly don't know the basics of how the NBA playoffs work. 3:36 MJ still whooped him before his retirement. If he didn't retire, Jordan would still beat the Lakers. Casuals try to push this silly narrative that Magic was out of his prime or something. No.. 91' was one of his better seasons, he literally just won MVP the season prior. In 91' he was All NBA 1st Team, and came 2nd in MVP right behind MJ. 3:40 Bird was already losing to the Pistons by the late 80s. 3:45 Once Jordan got a 1 single developed allstar teammate. The Pistons weren't a threat. People need to understand that the only reason these teams were beating Jordan in the 80s is cause Jordan was on a garbage lottery team with teammates who couldn't even dream of making an allstar team for their entire career. Give Jordan even a decent team and he beats Birds Celtics, Magics Lakers, and Isiah Pistons even if all 3 teams joined together into ONE SUPERTEAM. We literally have evidence of this when Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullen, Alvin Robertson, etc whooped an NBA Allstar team that was a combination of the Celtics, Pistons, and Lakers *8-0* 3:48 Len Bias wouldn't have been on Jordan's level. He had good talent but not the work ethic or mindset. While Jordan was improving year by year through rigorous training and playing. Len was out partying and doing drugs. 4:08 It's tough to become an all time greats when Jordan is the one winning everything. Such a poor argument by a clear casual.
@@Yooojayy See, the thing about butthurt casuals like yourself is, you're actually unable to give a rebuttal to anything I said, so you just say pathetic nonsense like "hE dOnT kNo YoU!!!1 u WrOnG!!" cause you're coping.
@@FiddleclappedThe jazz were absolutely a challenge lmao. They had prime malone and stockton, and were arguably the favourites to win, especially in 98, when pippen and rodman were in decline.
@@angrypepe7615 acting like rodman didnt say that when the bulls played they were in a watered down era 😭😭🙏the best player itl was on the bulls and the 2nd best player itl was scottie pippen
Here is a list of All-Star teammates Lebron has had: Shaquille O'Neal, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Kyle Korver, Derrick Rose, Isaiah Thomas, Ray Allen, Antawn Jamison, Anthony Davis, D'Angelo Russell, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, not to mention NBA 6th Man Of The Year JR Smith. BTW, Michael Jordan played with ONE All-Star - Scotty Pippen.
When addressing claims about a "weak" era, you can assert that Michael Jordan’s success with only one primary All-Star, Scottie Pippen, highlights his exceptional individual talent and ability to lead his team to greatness under competitive conditions. This perspective underscores that Jordan's achievements are significant and reflective of his extraordinary skill and impact, regardless of the era's perceived strength. Michael Jordan’s combination of fundamentally sound skills and extraordinary athleticism, coupled with his high basketball IQ, made him a uniquely complete player. His fundamental skills allowed him to excel in various aspects of the game, while his athleticism provided him with the edge to outperform defenders. His basketball IQ enabled him to make smart decisions and maximize his impact on both ends of the floor. Together, these qualities made Jordan not just a great player, but arguably the greatest of all time. Respect the Goat!!
Micheal Jordan did not get lucky because he had magic and bird in his rookie season and he had Karl Mallon John Stockton and a lot more hall of fames and even godly centres such as mutumbo and hakeem so major is the goat
@@joanmariegalpo9570 the olnly player ever to win a title, mvp, fmvp, scoring title, and named first team all nba defense all in the same yr. he did it 4 times. The bulls have 3 of the top most difficult playoff runs to the title. based on oppent winning % Jordan played against 5 of the top 10 all time points leaders 6 of the top 10 in assist. 6 of top 10 players w most steals 9 of the best ever shot blockers 6 of the top 10 in rebound. only player to play multiple 50+ win team and multiple 60+ win teams in the same playoffs. only player ever w 3 40+ games to start a finals. ZERO BAD GAMES IN THE FINALS. never outscored in the finals never shot undr 40% never shot less then 20 ptsthe
They watered down the league with other NBA players from other teams, and those team you mentioned were in the playoffs shortly after they were made as teams. Only two teams sucked, Grizzlies and Raptors.
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Michael, Pippen, and Rodman still had to face the best of the best the nba had to offer. Karl Malone and John Stockton were the BEST pick and roll duo in NBA HISTORY! Stop it
saying 90s are watered down but then you got teams today tanking to get better draft picks. i was not even alive during the 90s but seeing the footage made it seem more difficult to score during that time given how slow the pace is and how much more physical they are compared to other decades of nba basketball. today's nba is much more favored to cater the offense while it was the opposite during the 90s and early 2000s. heck, nba even made carrying and travelling somehow legal to make today's players look good. lol
@@lakpasherpa2994 you talking about pippen and rodman? yes they are great but those players cant carry teams to a chaimpionship as the main guy. they are talented but not on the offensive end. most of the time MJ was the one carrying the offense for the bulls whether off the ball or on the ball while still playing high level defense. talent today is severly overrated. just because they are better 3pt shooters doesnt mean they are way better players than before. rules cater to the offense now. players allowed to take more than 3 steps, allowed to carry the ball and getting and 1s through minor bumps that the offensive player initiated in the first place. bringing back physicality and you see most of the stars today get exposed how much they struggle. whenever playoffs are around, you see a dipped in their production because the nba allow more some of the physicality used back in the day. suddenly some stars are not as good as you think they are. would be so interesting watching today's players get defended by the bad boy pistons or riley's knicks.
It's facts that the 90s were watered down. How is slow pace and physicality related to talent levels? Slower pace and physicality, are conscious decisions by the league at that time, and independent of talent. Similarly, the league decided that more offense centered games is the norm. Nothing to do with talent levels
@@JayZone23No? Introducing physicality will reduce everyones production. When everyone shines a little dimmer, talent still shines just as bright relative to everyone else
Prime Michael Jordan would teabag LeBron. LeBron ain't quick, they part way for him. Jordan had to earn his stats under actual pressure. Jordan and LeBron is like Patek Philippe and Rolex. Jordan keep LeBron in check.
Lebron is quick, lebron won against 2016 warriors, and mj is just scottie pippen but better at offense... Never compare lebron to mj again. Lebron is LEVELS above jorbum.
@@McklienDela-md5bp stop being delusional, Steph curry is a beast and heck of a player. The disrespect is crazy considering he is the best shooter of all time and carrying his team while being older than most players in the roster
Dwayne wade chris bosh AD Kyrie are the only all star teemates he had in his prime and dwade and bosh weren’t in there prime they where at the end of theres
@@BobMcarthy tf u mean wasn’t in their prime, d wade averaged a higher ppg then prime Pippen. U didn’t mention Kevin love, Shaq, Melo, Dwight, Allen and much more
@@TyroneNBAFanThis is what people leave out of Michael Jordan’s GOAT discussion “oh he never lost in the finals” but he has lost in the earlier rounds. LeBron has lost one single time in the first round his whole career which is insane, the times he’s did lose in the finals were arguably against some of the greatest teams of all time. Let’s not forget Michael was surrounded by great players but when LeBron took down the unstoppable Warriors down 3-1, how many HOF’ers did he have on his team? Kyrie Irving, the rest all role players. Yet they took down arguably the greatest team of all time, which the other team in the argument for GOAT is Jordan’s Bulls. LeBron has always done more with less and for that reason he’ll always be the GOAT to me. Also he’s 40+ still dominating.
@ It took Michael Jordan 6 years to even reach the finals and when finally did he had a stacked team around him, LeBron made it to the finals in his first 4 years with one of the most MID teams of all time. Even when he did get a solid team built around him he played against some of the greatest modern teams. As a part of a team Jordan is great but by himself he doesn’t stack up to LeBron lmao
Personally the 2011 finals is the only finals series I hold against him because the other times he lost the GOAT power forward twice with once having a horrendous Cavs team and the other with the heat who weren't in their best days. He then lost to a warriors team who was better than his own and there is only so much one player can do. I'll address the elephant in the room and say that he choked so badly in the 2011 finals it is almost unforgivable, but I think it's forgivable after he proved that he can be good in the finals because the stretch of finals from 2016-2019 showcases lebron's best even with a bad team. Averaging a triple double in the 2017 finals is nothing to scoff at plus he also defeated the greatest team of all time so cut him some slack for 2011
watered down era arg for Jordan is kind of dumb. the main reason being while his competition was not the same it was still good. Shaq, Karl Malone, Patrick, Stockton and plenty of other Hof level players. yes the league did lose greats but it was still decent and of that time Michael Jordan got mvps over people like those. Hof players. he did not get "lucky" even though he was better off by no means was it watered down. it was still great and Jordan dominated the 90s which is why he is the best. how about that time he won mvp in the 1987 to 88 which was when magic and bird were doing amazing. that same season he was dpoty, got his second scoring title and was an all star. he was doing exceptionally well in the 80s and that was not his prime. he came second in mvp voting in 88 to 89. in 90 to 91 he won mvp over David Robinson, magic Johnson(Non prime) and Charles Barkley. He also carried a dogcrap bulls to to the playoffs onwards from 1985 until Scottie Pippen came and then plenty more where by that time the bulls would not be bad by itself (without Jordan). but they still needed Jordan. here is the roster for the 93 to 94 season where the bulls did not have Jordan. Armstrong, BJ Blount, Corie Cartwright, Bill English, Jo Jo Grant Horace Johnson, Dave Kerr, Steve Kukoc, Toni Longley, Luc Myers, Pete Paxson, John Perdue, Will Pippen, Scottie Wennington, Bill Williams, Scott .....It was a good team but without Michael they did not make it past the conference semifinals in 7 against the knicks. Then in the 96 season which was the bulls best season and one of the most dominant teams their competition was the Seattle supersonics which had: Gary Payton and Shawn kemp leading the team. two top players Askew Vincent Brickowski, Frank Ford, Sherell Hawkins, Hersey Johnson, Ervin McMillan, Nate Perkins, Sam Scheffler, Steve Schrempf, Detlef Snow, Eric Wingate, David were the rest of the roster, now this finals went to six in the end Jordan and the bulls prevailing. now imagine Jordan was not there, the outcome would have been different. Scottie Pippen and Dennis (while being the best rebounder), that was it. so them two against Gary Peyton and Shawn kemp would not be favorable. however Jordan led the team in points two times in that finals while Dennis was an x factor leading that finals in rebounds. however again that shows that Dennis is the greatest rebounder while Michael Jordan leads in point averages as well that finals. Jordan is goated and I'm doing this for fun so don't really mind me. just speaking some of my mind and personally think that there could be a better argument ig but nice vid.
Having a GOAT poll with the choices like that is crazy. Paul Pierce?! 😂 And Kobe is only considered the GOAT by people my age who grew up watching him and loved him but in reality he's never been in the conversation nor should he. Love the guy and is definitely one of the most influential players ever but not THE best.
Pippen had his best and most efficient years under Jordan, he never averaged above 50% FG in a season without Jordan, only made 1 All-Star team without Jordan, was mediocre at best during his first few seasons (including his rookie year where he came off the bench averaging 8 ppg), played very inconsistently during the Bulls' 2nd 3 peat, and regularly disappeared against the Bad Boy Pistons. Magic had top 5 player of all time Kareem and James Worthy who was better than Pippen. Kareem had two of the top 5 PGs, Magic and Oscar. Wilt had Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer, and Gail Goodrich. Bill Russell had multiple HOFers on his stacked teams. Bird had McHale who was better than Ppppen in his prime and Robert Parish. Kobe had prime Shaq, who had a top 3 prime ever and Pau Gasol. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. LeBron had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and a prime AD. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, and young but still solid Kawhi Leonard, Curry and Durant played with multiple stars. In reality, Jordan had less help than pretty much any consensus top 12 player outside of maybe Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@HugoSoup57 so much false narratives, but I wont get into details as time is money. Jordan never ever won a championship without pip. Pip without Jordan had more success in terms of basketball than MJ without Pip, facts!
The case against Jordan is the weakest case of them all. For sure Bulls couldn't play with the 80s Celtics. They never had to play the 80s Lakers in the Finals either. But the Bulls sweated it out against the Bad Boy Pistons and beat the champs on the way to Chicago's 1st title. Since the Bad Boy Pistons beat the Lakers and Celtics, and the Bulls beat the Bad Boys, I think Jordan can be cemented as the guy who took the crown in the league and kept it for the rest of the 90s. You can make this case for a watered down league all you want but Jordan still had to face all the toughest teams in the playoffs throughout that decade. Knicks, Pacers, Magic, Cavs, Suns, Jazz.
this is unironically one of the reasons why lebron IS the goat. on of if not THE biggest reason why he isn’t the goat is because of his losing finals record. that’s impressive. and even more than that his only finals that we really look at as bad is the one where he went against a literal greek god of a player. dirk literally SWEPT the defending champion lakers and steamrolled through everyone. that’s the one series lebron did bad in. the series that a dude literally got a gods blessing to win. lebron made it 10 times. that’s impressive.
Saying Michaels era was watered down is a joke. Even if there were new teams still developing he still had to beat the best of the best the NBA had to offer to win the championship. Karl Malone and John Stockton were THE BEST PICK AND ROLL DUO IN NBA HISTORY and they still couldn't beat Michael. You didn't expose Michael, you made a bunch of jokes, it would've fit the mood better with clown music in the background
@@jayso-z6i Are you braindead? 'Karl makin' averaged 25 through his career, instead of trying to undermine an opinion superior to yours how about you fix that grammar. It's not spelled "ur" it's "your". You little kid.
@@jayso-z6i This "Karl makin" guy you are talking about averaged 25 points per game throughout his career, and won several MVPs over Jordan. Instead of challenging a well thought out and developed opinion with utter garbage how about you start learning how to spell correctly. It's spelled "Your" not "ur"...
I saw my own reflection at the end of the video, extremely humbled and honored to be your goat
Every great one have weakness but what makes them great is that they can expose your weakness or strengths it didn't matter and im pretty sure the creater of this video cannot do nothing the real "GOATS" did.😂😂😂
Now LeBron played the prime spurs team with a cavs team that really didn't like him but he carried them to the playoffs and finals!
Next he played the super team Warriors and that warriors team was just too much really nobody could beat them that year. Until bron came back with Irving and went crazy. The Prime Spurs and Super Team Warriors can beat any other teams in any era lol that's how great them 2 teams was and LeBron didn't play scrubs in the finals like other so called "GOATS" did😂😂
@@Blizzyyadigg2112but every goat didn't play scrubs 😭. Magic played Dr J, moses, birds celtics and Isiah and MJ in the finals
MJ played magic, MVP barkley, Clyde and Terry, Payton and Kemp. And Stockton and Malone 2x
All HOF by the way
You can make a case that Magic west competition was just as weak as Bron east comp
Neither really had hard paths to get there
@@tj4lyfe64 Magic and Jordan only fought bums. They never fought world class fighters. Mike Tyson would destroy them.
I’m not reading allat
So Thanasis the goat?
yes
Obviously
duh
Yes...a scapegoat. 🤣
Yess sirrr
I don’t see Killian Hayes getting exposed, I know my GOAT 😤
He got nothing over Thanasis 😤
My sultan Brian scalabrine would smoke all these guys😤
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Nah he got nothing over Kleber. Kleber averages like 5 points cant beat that.
Y’all don’t know Popeyes Jones, 6’8 and can’t dunk
Notice how he didn't even mention Brian scalabrine so as not to dirty his holy name 🔥
😆😆😆
Holy?
He is closer to lebron than we are to him 😤
What, who nah No Champs. And no mvps
You don't get the joke
Me personally? John Cena NBA GOAT.
Can't stop what you can't see
John cena isnt wven in the nba
@@MilicaJekic-k9b r/ whooosh
@@MilicaJekic-k9breally!, I didn’t even know that thank you very much for telling me
@@Wright-volBRUH
unfortunate is the perfect description for birds career. A healthy Larry would have been an even bigger menace
You could also argue that he wouldn't be seen as a top performer if he didn't do what he needed to do.
Birds final “healthy” season (84-85) is his statistically best season, yes even better than 85-86. If he was healthier and his teammates didn’t have bad injury luck, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Celtics would have been able to win at least another title and compete in the late 80’s and early 90’s, as if they weren’t already
@@jaycob1830 I'd say 87-88 was his best statistical season, though not by much. He averaged 30 9 and 6 on 50-40-90 splits, and it's the second highest scoring 50-40-90 season ever behind 2016 Curry. The Celtics won 6 fewer games, but it's still just as impressive considering that DJ and Parish had regressed quite a bit at that point. He was definitely still in his prime, he played 39 minutes per game in 76 games
Imagine a health Celtics team they would have had Reggie Lewis, Len bias, and Larry bird, they could have won another 5 rings together
@@revakriid Larry didn't injured himself in basketball..he injured his back carrying cement for their driveway or so i read
This might be one of the best basketball videos I’ve ever watched. Short and quick, but packed with information. Also, all the little editing details make it so much better. You’re gonna be up there with JxmyHighroller soon bro. KEEP GRINDING🚀
I appreciate the kind words man - means a lot :)
I agree its the closest thing we have to JXMY and he doesnt upload often next level content right here.
@@Post2k69the goat is Stephen curry no debate
@@Post2k69what about Steph?
So consensus goat is Tim Duncan only goat canidate with no flaws or asteriks.
exactly
Stats don’t mean everything 🤨
@@Post2k69great video! Not trying to make you feel bad or anything but I’d like to share my opinion on lebron. Only one thing about lebron at the end is even though he was 4-6 he had to face teams like the spurs with kawhi, Tony Parker, Manu Ginobill, and Tim Duncan and then the warriors not to mention he was forced to carry the team in multiple years for example the 2015 nba finals, Kyrie was one of the main scorers and was injuried and not to mention that Kevin Love didn’t even play in the 2015 NBA finals because of a shoulder injury against Boston. So if lebron had better teammates he probably wouldn’t have that record I agree in 2011 he was terrible on the court and it was just outrageous and 2013 Ray Allen saved lebron’s career (I guess?) so 2015 should’ve been a ring, and that would mean he is 5-5 including Ray allen’s shot because history is history but I don’t think with Kyrie and Kevin love both healthy that he’s beating 2017 and 2018 warriors but loved the video just subbed! 🔥🔥🔥
Too much help
Advanced stats will you David Robinson was lowkey better
12:17 "and I almost forgot to tell you, that my goat is…" *under armour ad pops up*
lmao
1:01 who tf voted for Paul Pierce tho 😂😂😂
Hell Paul Pierce
I was looking for this comment
Paul Pierce im guessing 😂😂😂
Exactly
muggsy bogues stands on top
on top of wemby's shoulders
Metaphorically speaking? 😂😂
@@SeanLee-wk6xm both
FAX
@@Post2k69what about curry
thumbnail clean, video even cleaner. 10/10 this one gonna get A LOT of views; might break the million mark even.
appreciate the love bro
erm 14k
@@Post2k69does this mean Tim Duncan is the goat?
Ironic. One guy's opinion, about other people's opinions. Conclusion, there is no such thing as a perfect person/player. Shocking!
So u don't know thanasis
There is one perfect person and his name was Jesus
@@SimplyCIutch Was he a point guard or center?
@@SimplyCIutchis he a person?
Point GOD@@chrisbrooks6756
Michael Jordan lucky? what about playing Charles Barkley, Reggie Miller, drexler and the crew, stockton and malone, david rodman, Tim Duncan, Hakeem the Dream, and Allen Iverson? all top 50 players most top 30. Michael is the goat
Larry bird and magic said he was the goat even
And yet, when we talk about the Jazz, Barkley, etc, we never talk about them winning. Michael was out of his prime for Duncan and Iverson, and never played abasing a good Hakeem. We look back on these players as overall losers, albeit great. We never attribute their losses to Jordan's success.
Michael isn't the goat all the people oyu named are bums
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This is why the NBA GOAT debate SHOULD NOT exist.
Basketball is a team sport, and there are a lot of things to take into context such as eras, rules, talents, gamestyle, health, etc.
I see what you’re saying, but then there shouldn’t ever be a debate on anyone being greater than anyone ever, which we obviously know that players are better than players. But I get it I don’t think there’s a goat in basketball either
@@anthonyvance3128people have a tendency to compare, unfortunately.
But what about Tom Brady?
So is soccer
there sholdnt be a goat debate because jordan is clearly the undisputed goat.
There’s nothing to expose about my king AI
0 championships don't even say no help cuz kawhi
@@sol-ng9go Ai never played with Kawhi
@@Chaotic-yy8nt Yeah i meant like kawhi basically had no help
@@sol-ng9go mb but for his first ring he had the goat pf but 2 he carried his team
@@Chaotic-yy8nt 0 chips with worse efficiency than kobe is crazy
good work m'boy, i have high hopes for your channel young man
OMG THANK YOU LEBRON! I'm a big fan
OMG LEBRON GOAT
not goat
To be honest the watered down argument can be said for the 2010s too. They expanded the roster spots from 12 to 18 adding around 192 players to the league.
actually it can't because the kd warriors and spurs existed
@@sportstalkonly1442 Lmao 😂
watered down in the sense of making it easier to be in the league, doesn't make teams weaker though which is what people are talking about with mj's era
@@hmmmmmm6901 what's funny?
😭😭
I honestly don’t know how MJ got lucky he had young Shaq in Orlando, which in my opinion is a problem for any team. Also there was Hakeem, Chuck, Clyde, John Stockton and Kobe in his 2nd 3peat. But there still might not be a GOAT
Look at their rosters beyond the first 1-2 players. Nothing. Jordan had the best front office, best team, literally the best possible teammate for him( Scottie), and stat padded against a bunch of crap NBA teams
The bulls made the second round of the playoffs offs in the two seasons Micheal went to play baseball. Take lebron off any of his teams they don’t even make the playoffs
@@nolandutton6623exactly people say LeBron was always on superstar star teams but in reality he MADE them superstar just by him being there.😂😂😂
Any disrespect on Jordan is crazy I'm not listening to this bs 🤣
Salty much? Suck it up and make sure to zip it up when ur done man holy lmaoo
Cry about it 😢
1900s was one of the toughest eras💀 Hakeem, Malone, Kobe, Robinson, Barkley, Shaq, P Hardaway, T Hardaway, Gary Peyton, Alonzo, D Wilkins, Kemp, KG, Duncan, Stockton, Clyde, Ainge, Ewing, and John Starks. They are all greats but MJ was much better than all of them.
Ok sure pal
Putting Danny ainge and John starks in the same convo as the rest of these players is wild. Also u forgot grant hill and Tim hardaway
@@ynk-ike yeah guy cooked himself😂. The depth of talent and all star level players between today and literally any other era is just not even a contest
Half that list were 2000s. KG, Duncan and Kobe
Danny Ainge is really a name you listed 💀💀💀
Only thing 90s had were Centers. That's it...
LaMelo LaFrance Ball didnt get roasted here. Goat☝🏻
hes not in the convo (I get the sarcasm)
Underrated as hell W video bro keep it up
appreciate that bro :)
I noticed my name was never mentioned. This shows that **I** am the NBA goat, despite having never been on a basketball team.
''LeBron after leaving cavs''-only wins 19 games-
''Michael Jordan after leaving bulls''-only losing 2 games-😮😮😮😮😮😮
I Don't see Thanasis 😤 He the real Goat
I think you're getting Thanasis confused with Thanos.
@@buzzerbeater3350LOL
The most under rated player of all-time must be Jabbar. Anyone who claims to have had a better basketball career better wake up and slap themselves. With 3 NCAA titles at UCLA and all 3 Naismith awards. He only managed to win a measly 6 NBA MVP's and 6 NBA titles. The disrespect from sport media toward Jabbar has been well documented, and clearly still exist today.
Kareem knows he ain't the damn goat!! Bill Russell had a better career than him and He Knows a old one leg Wilt Chamberlain locked him up!!!!
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 Bill did not score like Kareem did. No one has! Perhaps you forgot Jabbar has more FG's made than anyone ever. More points, MVP's and college titles than Jordan as well. No one has had the career that Jabbar has, check the stats bruh your straight trippin. Proving my point that too many folks have Jabbar under rated.
@@BoosterGoldEarth6 And yet Kareem won triple the amount of championships then Wilt
@@infiniteuniverse9528 Kareem played in one of, if not possibly the weakest era in all of basketball and didn't start winning more championships until he had stacked team. Also, Jordan only played 15 seasons, 4 of them he was either not healthy or couldn't even play fully
@@justyouraverageyoutuber5218"Weakest Era"? Including Bird and those mighty Celtics teams? Plus the 76ers as well? Jabbar already had 3 NCAA titles, 3 Naismith awards, NBA Rookie of the year, a scoring title and NBA title before he even moved to LA bruh. On his way to a measly 6 rings and 6 MVP's. Check the stats and stop trying to bellittle his accomplishments.
This channel is so good bro. You should be having like 500k your editing and video style great
means lot man thank you :)
stephen curry not being here is a crime
so this means tobias harris is the goat
Your content is always so good my guy, where did you learn to edit btw? your storytelling is incredible but your editing is ridiculous
Found both of you guys at the same time. Both great content creators
@@xoirvinn Appreciate that my guy, Post makes bangers for sure
mannn you show so much love bro, I really appreciate it. I watch lots of RUclips tutorials, documentaries, and other creators outside of basketball to get a taste of how they edit and see what I can implement. the editing for this video took a disgusting amount of time haha but I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
saying the 90s is a watered down era is crazy cuz of expansion
Stop being biased and nostalgic. It was watered down
It's usually the youngsters that say the 90s were watered down. People who were around to watch the games know it wasn't.
@@NathanWhyte-m8l that is just not true. how where they washed?
bruh Dennis Rodman said himself, it's not something the young generation came up with
@@vihaananish4268 i mean i would not say it's watered. it was still close to being as good as the 80s tbh
Jordan was lucky??? 1st championship beats Magic 2nd beats Clyde Drexler 3rd beats Charles Barkley 4th and 5th beats John Stockton and Karl Malone 6th beats Gary Payton and Shawn Kemp 6-0
yeah the argument for jordan has to be the weakest its hard to argue against a perfect career like Jordans, its also really weak since the argument is that he got lucky and magic and birds prime were cut short, lie he wasn't averaging 45 against bird and the celtics in the 80s, he just didn't have help, the league expanding watering down the competition is a "decent argument" but to say that the 90s doesn't have all time greats is crazy, karl malone 3rd all time in points, john Stockton 1st in assist and 1st in steals, not to mention charles barkley, clyde drexler, gary payton, patrick ewing, dikembe mutombo
these are all time greats, they only lack the hardware to show for it because they have no championships, but that is due to jordan beating them exepct hakeem who i almost forgot to mention who won 2 when jordan was retired ( i think he would have beaten jordan if he wasnt retired)
picking Bird, Kareem, TD over lebron
THE GOAT DEBATE IS SO POPULAR EVEN THE MINIONS FIGHT FOR IT 🔥
Curry is the goat point gaurd
Better than lebron all time and I don’t care what anyone says 😂💯
His 2016 finals performance and just fewer rings and mvps than magic disqualify him. And don't bring up Magic's performance in 1984 because he redeemed himself in the 1985 finals.
Ye curry is a good point guard but I think chris paul is better
@@Self-Improvement79 I feel like curry and cp still got time don’t forget about westbrook even if jokic will carry the team
@@Sheistyy10 oh yeah Mr triple-double, Westbrook is my fave rn and I also wanted him to win a ring this year hopefully they become champion this year bcs he is getting old he needed some rings
I don’t see dirk nowitzki getting exposed, I see my GOAT
It’s gotta be micheal Jordan seriously
How?
I didn't see Popeye Jones I know the GOAT🐐
Only real ones know about Thanasis Antetokounpo🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥😤😤😤😤🥶🥶🥶🥵🥵🥵
His GOAT is MJ cuz is the one that most apeared at final seconds and the video is 12:23 long(MJ)
no one cares
@@TheNukistit’s actually interesting
Who says that’s his goat?
its actually 12:24 KOBEEE
@@Mjandbros he doesn’t have an argument to be the greatest.
2:43 How tf does that affect the top tier teams? I seriously hate this false narrative that adding teams somehow makes championships weaker. If 5 High School teams were added to the NBA tomorrow, it won't make winning a championship any easier. The top 8 teams from each conference still make the playoffs, the bottom feeding teams will still be bottom feeding, it doesn't make the path to the finals any easier like you claim. You clearly don't know the basics of how the NBA playoffs work.
3:36 MJ still whooped him before his retirement. If he didn't retire, Jordan would still beat the Lakers. Casuals try to push this silly narrative that Magic was out of his prime or something. No.. 91' was one of his better seasons, he literally just won MVP the season prior. In 91' he was All NBA 1st Team, and came 2nd in MVP right behind MJ.
3:40 Bird was already losing to the Pistons by the late 80s.
3:45 Once Jordan got a 1 single developed allstar teammate. The Pistons weren't a threat.
People need to understand that the only reason these teams were beating Jordan in the 80s is cause Jordan was on a garbage lottery team with teammates who couldn't even dream of making an allstar team for their entire career. Give Jordan even a decent team and he beats Birds Celtics, Magics Lakers, and Isiah Pistons even if all 3 teams joined together into ONE SUPERTEAM. We literally have evidence of this when Jordan, Patrick Ewing, Chris Mullen, Alvin Robertson, etc whooped an NBA Allstar team that was a combination of the Celtics, Pistons, and Lakers *8-0*
3:48 Len Bias wouldn't have been on Jordan's level. He had good talent but not the work ethic or mindset. While Jordan was improving year by year through rigorous training and playing. Len was out partying and doing drugs.
4:08 It's tough to become an all time greats when Jordan is the one winning everything.
Such a poor argument by a clear casual.
Yeah the whole "got lucky" section for MJ made me lose trust in what this dude says
Gawk gawk gawk he doesn’t know u
@@Yooojayy aww do the facts upset you? Need a tissue?
@@libfit9068 no ur just wrong 🤣
@@Yooojayy See, the thing about butthurt casuals like yourself is, you're actually unable to give a rebuttal to anything I said, so you just say pathetic nonsense like "hE dOnT kNo YoU!!!1 u WrOnG!!" cause you're coping.
Jxmy esque quality vid
thank you bro :)
pro editor here imo, this guy better at editing and everything else is up to par if not better, post will be really big one day
Thats right Ben simmons ain't never getting exposed, my goat and king
You know you’re the goat when all they have to say is that you got lucky 🤣🤣🤣
because thats all there is to say, the truth is simple
Bro acting like mj didn’t have a challenge 😂
mj didnt tho?
MJ didn't he was the challenge
@@FiddleclappedThe jazz were absolutely a challenge lmao. They had prime malone and stockton, and were arguably the favourites to win, especially in 98, when pippen and rodman were in decline.
@@angrypepe7615 acting like rodman didnt say that when the bulls played they were in a watered down era 😭😭🙏the best player itl was on the bulls and the 2nd best player itl was scottie pippen
@@Fiddleclapped haha so scottie pippen was better than shaq, malone, robinson, hakeem, barkley and dominique wilkins?
Here is a list of All-Star teammates Lebron has had: Shaquille O'Neal, Dwyane Wade, Chris Bosh, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, Mo Williams, Zydrunas Ilgauskas, Kyle Korver, Derrick Rose, Isaiah Thomas, Ray Allen, Antawn Jamison, Anthony Davis, D'Angelo Russell, Russell Westbrook, Carmelo Anthony, not to mention NBA 6th Man Of The Year JR Smith. BTW, Michael Jordan played with ONE All-Star - Scotty Pippen.
Lebron needs help dude how can he farm stats without help
Rodman was an all star lol
Harper Grant rodman pippen
When addressing claims about a "weak" era, you can assert that Michael Jordan’s success with only one primary All-Star, Scottie Pippen, highlights his exceptional individual talent and ability to lead his team to greatness under competitive conditions. This perspective underscores that Jordan's achievements are significant and reflective of his extraordinary skill and impact, regardless of the era's perceived strength.
Michael Jordan’s combination of fundamentally sound skills and extraordinary athleticism, coupled with his high basketball IQ, made him a uniquely complete player. His fundamental skills allowed him to excel in various aspects of the game, while his athleticism provided him with the edge to outperform defenders. His basketball IQ enabled him to make smart decisions and maximize his impact on both ends of the floor. Together, these qualities made Jordan not just a great player, but arguably the greatest of all time. Respect the Goat!!
“Jordan got lucky” worst take I’ve ever heard in my life
Curry isn't getting exposed so my goat
Micheal Jordan did not get lucky because he had magic and bird in his rookie season and he had Karl Mallon John Stockton and a lot more hall of fames and even godly centres such as mutumbo and hakeem so major is the goat
please shutup... How much good teams has mj ever faced? The only 2 superteams that he has ever faced, and thats the celts and the monstars.
@ no because he went against big men and he was short and still beat them
@@joanmariegalpo9570
the olnly player ever to win a title, mvp, fmvp, scoring title, and named first team all nba defense all in the same yr. he did it 4 times.
The bulls have 3 of the top most difficult playoff runs to the title. based on oppent winning %
Jordan played against
5 of the top 10 all time points leaders
6 of the top 10 in assist.
6 of top 10 players w most steals
9 of the best ever shot blockers
6 of the top 10 in rebound.
only player to play multiple 50+ win team and multiple 60+ win teams in the same playoffs.
only player ever w 3 40+ games to start a finals.
ZERO BAD GAMES IN THE FINALS.
never outscored in the finals
never shot undr 40%
never shot less then 20 ptsthe
@caddylover10 Settle down Joe ! they gon need to recover ! 🤭
Nah let bro cook
The hating on my GOAT is crazy 😭🙏🏾
So, I agree there's no basketball goat. There's goats for each generation and lets just leave it like that. Please.
Steph curry from down town bang bang bang🔥🔥🗣🗣
curry?
They watered down the league with other NBA players from other teams, and those team you mentioned were in the playoffs shortly after they were made as teams. Only two teams sucked, Grizzlies and Raptors.
Those teams sucked lol stop it
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Did either one of those Teams make the playoffs in the 90s? Yeah, shut up.
@@KingoftheLions-z87 Michael, Pippen, and Rodman still had to face the best of the best the nba had to offer. Karl Malone and John Stockton were the BEST pick and roll duo in NBA HISTORY! Stop it
@@BenjaminJ707 stockton and malone. C'mon dawg.........
Also he had Kucoc and Grant
@@mjsup1 Every team in the 90's either fell off from the 80's or sucked
saying 90s are watered down but then you got teams today tanking to get better draft picks.
i was not even alive during the 90s but seeing the footage made it seem more difficult to score during that time given how slow the pace is and how much more physical they are compared to other decades of nba basketball.
today's nba is much more favored to cater the offense while it was the opposite during the 90s and early 2000s. heck, nba even made carrying and travelling somehow legal to make today's players look good. lol
Facts.
But still its the same dude mj had 2 all time greats by his side
And the talent level between 90s and today are not even close
@@lakpasherpa2994 you talking about pippen and rodman? yes they are great but those players cant carry teams to a chaimpionship as the main guy. they are talented but not on the offensive end. most of the time MJ was the one carrying the offense for the bulls whether off the ball or on the ball while still playing high level defense.
talent today is severly overrated. just because they are better 3pt shooters doesnt mean they are way better players than before. rules cater to the offense now. players allowed to take more than 3 steps, allowed to carry the ball and getting and 1s through minor bumps that the offensive player initiated in the first place.
bringing back physicality and you see most of the stars today get exposed how much they struggle. whenever playoffs are around, you see a dipped in their production because the nba allow more some of the physicality used back in the day. suddenly some stars are not as good as you think they are.
would be so interesting watching today's players get defended by the bad boy pistons or riley's knicks.
It's facts that the 90s were watered down. How is slow pace and physicality related to talent levels? Slower pace and physicality, are conscious decisions by the league at that time, and independent of talent. Similarly, the league decided that more offense centered games is the norm. Nothing to do with talent levels
@@JayZone23No? Introducing physicality will reduce everyones production. When everyone shines a little dimmer, talent still shines just as bright relative to everyone else
Make a part 2 with Tim, Shaq, Hakeem, Steph & KD
Hakeem??????????!!!!!!
None of those besides Shaq are legitimate candidates
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@@d3adyoutubeaccount for GOAT? Shaq? absolutely not
@@PackerKeely31067 Shaq has a higher case than Tim lol.
Don't see curry here😂
Prime Michael Jordan would teabag LeBron. LeBron ain't quick, they part way for him. Jordan had to earn his stats under actual pressure. Jordan and LeBron is like Patek Philippe and Rolex. Jordan keep LeBron in check.
Jordan isn’t guarding prime bron😂😂😂.
Lebron is quick, lebron won against 2016 warriors, and mj is just scottie pippen but better at offense... Never compare lebron to mj again. Lebron is LEVELS above jorbum.
Didn’t see curry guess he’s the goat
He is not even a top 10 player bro
@@McklienDela-md5bphow is he not top ten
@@McklienDela-md5bp stop being delusional, Steph curry is a beast and heck of a player. The disrespect is crazy considering he is the best shooter of all time and carrying his team while being older than most players in the roster
@@lebum1063 only real problem is his defense which isnt even that bad tbh.
@@McklienDela-md5bpI wish morons like you didn’t have access to the internet
I don’t see Brian Scalabrine getting exposed, I guess he’s the GOAT.
Nah get out
Lebron went 4-6 yeah, but are we going to disregard that he was up against literally the avengers of basketball for most part
Name me all of his all star teammates he had his entire career
Dwayne wade chris bosh AD Kyrie are the only all star teemates he had in his prime and dwade and bosh weren’t in there prime they where at the end of theres
@Mrgome-w7v
Mj ain’t gonna do anything against 2018 golden state with jr smith iman shumpert and Tristan Thompson 💀💀
@@BobMcarthy tf u mean wasn’t in their prime, d wade averaged a higher ppg then prime Pippen. U didn’t mention Kevin love, Shaq, Melo, Dwight, Allen and much more
@@UbaidAlMalim I’m sry your goat got swept 🧹
I love this video. The players and the fan bases behind them need to be knocked down a peg every once in a while (including me). Great video man!
only real GOAT is Brian Scalabrinie
facts
I'm not a huge LeBron fan, but outside of 2011, his 6 losses were probably to some of the best teams in league history.
It's just like Jordan losing to the Celtics and Pistons repeatedly.
He just lost in earlier rounds. LeBron lost in the Finals.
@@TyroneNBAFanThis is what people leave out of Michael Jordan’s GOAT discussion “oh he never lost in the finals” but he has lost in the earlier rounds. LeBron has lost one single time in the first round his whole career which is insane, the times he’s did lose in the finals were arguably against some of the greatest teams of all time. Let’s not forget Michael was surrounded by great players but when LeBron took down the unstoppable Warriors down 3-1, how many HOF’ers did he have on his team? Kyrie Irving, the rest all role players. Yet they took down arguably the greatest team of all time, which the other team in the argument for GOAT is Jordan’s Bulls. LeBron has always done more with less and for that reason he’ll always be the GOAT to me. Also he’s 40+ still dominating.
He played the weakest Eastern Conferences in NBA history, and he also played the weakest Western pool in 2020 lol @@thecustomconcern
@ It took Michael Jordan 6 years to even reach the finals and when finally did he had a stacked team around him, LeBron made it to the finals in his first 4 years with one of the most MID teams of all time. Even when he did get a solid team built around him he played against some of the greatest modern teams. As a part of a team Jordan is great but by himself he doesn’t stack up to LeBron lmao
@@thecustomconcernThat Cleveland team might be mid nowadays but they still where top 4 in the East
Sorry but MJ carried the bulls for a while until they got Scottie and Rodman but MJ still did most of the work
Carried them to the first round exit
Carried them and still got smacked while bron carried his wack Cavs team to the finals
@@prince-bm4xtand lost... While Jordan lost to the Celtics and pistons, two of the greatest teams ever
@@ch.illmatic I’d rather get to the finals then get knocked out the first round…
@@prince-bm4xt I'd rwther win those finals instead of be known as the guy who came in second place...
If the only thing you have against MJ is that he got lucky then that shows me how much of A GOAT he actually is 😂😂
Wheres ronaldo
Jordan didn’t play in a watered down era😂 he beat prime Sean kemp in the finals, Barkley, Karl Malone and John Stockton, Kevin Johnson,
Personally the 2011 finals is the only finals series I hold against him because the other times he lost the GOAT power forward twice with once having a horrendous Cavs team and the other with the heat who weren't in their best days. He then lost to a warriors team who was better than his own and there is only so much one player can do. I'll address the elephant in the room and say that he choked so badly in the 2011 finals it is almost unforgivable, but I think it's forgivable after he proved that he can be good in the finals because the stretch of finals from 2016-2019 showcases lebron's best even with a bad team. Averaging a triple double in the 2017 finals is nothing to scoff at plus he also defeated the greatest team of all time so cut him some slack for 2011
facts
In my opinion Hakeem is the goat 😊
watered down era arg for Jordan is kind of dumb. the main reason being while his competition was not the same it was still good. Shaq, Karl Malone, Patrick, Stockton and plenty of other Hof level players. yes the league did lose greats but it was still decent and of that time Michael Jordan got mvps over people like those. Hof players. he did not get "lucky" even though he was better off by no means was it watered down. it was still great and Jordan dominated the 90s which is why he is the best. how about that time he won mvp in the 1987 to 88 which was when magic and bird were doing amazing. that same season he was dpoty, got his second scoring title and was an all star. he was doing exceptionally well in the 80s and that was not his prime. he came second in mvp voting in 88 to 89. in 90 to 91 he won mvp over David Robinson, magic Johnson(Non prime) and Charles Barkley. He also carried a dogcrap bulls to to the playoffs onwards from 1985 until Scottie Pippen came and then plenty more where by that time the bulls would not be bad by itself (without Jordan). but they still needed Jordan. here is the roster for the 93 to 94 season where the bulls did not have Jordan.
Armstrong, BJ
Blount, Corie
Cartwright, Bill
English, Jo Jo
Grant Horace
Johnson, Dave
Kerr, Steve
Kukoc, Toni
Longley, Luc
Myers, Pete
Paxson, John
Perdue, Will
Pippen, Scottie
Wennington, Bill
Williams, Scott
.....It was a good team but without Michael they did not make it past the conference semifinals in 7 against the knicks. Then in the 96 season which was the bulls best season and one of the most dominant teams their competition was the Seattle supersonics which had: Gary Payton and Shawn kemp leading the team. two top players
Askew Vincent
Brickowski, Frank
Ford, Sherell
Hawkins, Hersey
Johnson, Ervin
McMillan, Nate
Perkins, Sam
Scheffler, Steve
Schrempf, Detlef
Snow, Eric
Wingate, David were the rest of the roster,
now this finals went to six in the end Jordan and the bulls prevailing. now imagine Jordan was not there, the outcome would have been different. Scottie Pippen and Dennis (while being the best rebounder), that was it. so them two against Gary Peyton and Shawn kemp would not be favorable. however Jordan led the team in points two times in that finals while Dennis was an x factor leading that finals in rebounds. however again that shows that Dennis is the greatest rebounder while Michael Jordan leads in point averages as well that finals. Jordan is goated and I'm doing this for fun so don't really mind me. just speaking some of my mind and personally think that there could be a better argument ig but nice vid.
U sad ash
They hate MJ.
@@mastermace7770 naw they hate lebron everybody sucks mj off
aint no one exposing my goat LONZO BALL
Why Isn’t wilt in the debate
So ja morant better
of course
@@Post2k69 🤯🤯
exactly
@@Post2k69 25 games
@@Lê-se.Lânternéfr
"it's gonna sound crazy"
Nah just sounds stupid
that’s something i always wondered when i was younger is why isn’t kobe ever mentioned as the goat
Nah Kobe is always mentionned as the goat
@@Rosaa_dlo He’s my fav player, but he’s unfortunately not in the goat convo
Having a GOAT poll with the choices like that is crazy. Paul Pierce?! 😂 And Kobe is only considered the GOAT by people my age who grew up watching him and loved him but in reality he's never been in the conversation nor should he. Love the guy and is definitely one of the most influential players ever but not THE best.
If Nikola Jokic wins two more titles, then he could become the one real GOAT.
1:16 CAPPP 🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢
Jordan was selfish he not only got lucky, he also had an all time great by his side who was not selfish at all
Pippen had his best and most efficient years under Jordan, he never averaged above 50% FG in a season without Jordan, only made 1 All-Star team without Jordan, was mediocre at best during his first few seasons (including his rookie year where he came off the bench averaging 8 ppg), played very inconsistently during the Bulls' 2nd 3 peat, and regularly disappeared against the Bad Boy Pistons. Magic had top 5 player of all time Kareem and James Worthy who was better than Pippen. Kareem had two of the top 5 PGs, Magic and Oscar. Wilt had Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Hal Greer, and Gail Goodrich. Bill Russell had multiple HOFers on his stacked teams. Bird had McHale who was better than Ppppen in his prime and Robert Parish. Kobe had prime Shaq, who had a top 3 prime ever and Pau Gasol. Shaq had Kobe and Wade. LeBron had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Kevin Love, and a prime AD. Duncan had Parker, Ginobli, and young but still solid Kawhi Leonard, Curry and Durant played with multiple stars. In reality, Jordan had less help than pretty much any consensus top 12 player outside of maybe Hakeem Olajuwon.
@@HugoSoup57 so much false narratives, but I wont get into details as time is money. Jordan never ever won a championship without pip. Pip without Jordan had more success in terms of basketball than MJ without Pip, facts!
Worst takes ever...
Jordan
Kobe
LeBron simple.....
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Lebron carrying Kevin love and some random fans he found in the cav’s arena to the finales is BAD for his legacy!?!?!?
@@Riaa-57102bro i seen someone say lebron got lucky in 2016 and it hurt his resume because it took no skill. Worst take Ive ever seen
@@WcoopW 💀💀💀 has bro watched the 2016 finals
The case against Jordan is the weakest case of them all. For sure Bulls couldn't play with the 80s Celtics. They never had to play the 80s Lakers in the Finals either.
But the Bulls sweated it out against the Bad Boy Pistons and beat the champs on the way to Chicago's 1st title. Since the Bad Boy Pistons beat the Lakers and Celtics, and the Bulls beat the Bad Boys, I think Jordan can be cemented as the guy who took the crown in the league and kept it for the rest of the 90s. You can make this case for a watered down league all you want but Jordan still had to face all the toughest teams in the playoffs throughout that decade. Knicks, Pacers, Magic, Cavs, Suns, Jazz.
Need a curry one. I love curry but ik a lot of ppl that consider him the goat.
This leaves Tim Duncan the goat
Get serious.
this is unironically one of the reasons why lebron IS the goat. on of if not THE biggest reason why he isn’t the goat is because of his losing finals record. that’s impressive. and even more than that his only finals that we really look at as bad is the one where he went against a literal greek god of a player. dirk literally SWEPT the defending champion lakers and steamrolled through everyone. that’s the one series lebron did bad in. the series that a dude literally got a gods blessing to win. lebron made it 10 times. that’s impressive.
LeBron got exposed the most, and Michael Jordan got exposed the least Michael Jordan still had competition, bro😂
That’s why curry’s the goat
Kawhi's weakness is just injuries 😢
bro didnt out brian scalabrine NO flaws, the one and only goat
This is why Thanasis is the greatest player that we will ever see.
Dude r u even serious
kobe is NOT in the goat debate
Bro you are absolutely nuts how is he not if he's one of the players in his era and maybe nba
@@Daniel-nt8unbro Kobe was a great player but
Lebron and MJ were better
Bro yaps so much he eats with a scoop 😂
where's tim duncan?
Where is Steph Curry
Because he can't expose him
0:49 why tf is tmac there
Where💀
@@ToksubsDja few seconds later t mcgrady is there lmao
Fr like wasn’t bro injured all the time 💀
1:04 why paul pierce there also lol
😂@@powerbom6
Saying Michaels era was watered down is a joke. Even if there were new teams still developing he still had to beat the best of the best the NBA had to offer to win the championship. Karl Malone and John Stockton were THE BEST PICK AND ROLL DUO IN NBA HISTORY and they still couldn't beat Michael. You didn't expose Michael, you made a bunch of jokes, it would've fit the mood better with clown music in the background
so ur telling me karl makin who averaged 8 point a game was a challenge to jordan popped and rodman? no use ur brain
@@jayso-z6i Are you braindead? 'Karl makin' averaged 25 through his career, instead of trying to undermine an opinion superior to yours how about you fix that grammar. It's not spelled "ur" it's "your". You little kid.
@@jayso-z6i This "Karl makin" guy you are talking about averaged 25 points per game throughout his career, and won several MVPs over Jordan. Instead of challenging a well thought out and developed opinion with utter garbage how about you start learning how to spell correctly. It's spelled "Your" not "ur"...
@WhiteGirlJessica Even if they are weak now, that is now, not then. Men played basketball in the 90s. Boys like LeBron play now
@@BenjaminJ707 Literally all they do is foul in the 90's. Is that your so called "defense"?
No way that Paul Pierce is in the debate dog 😂😂😂
Where is Tim Duncan?!?!