Kawhi, Curry, and Jokic got full off of Lebrons plate. If he played any defense he might have been able to stop Jokic and maybe Curry but unfortunately he's kinda mid for a top 20 player in NBA history.
@@mikelawry7304 thank you LeBron is the reason he been swept twice in the Finals. How you in a goat debate with more than 1 finals sweeps? 2 times he loss 1-4? He not on MJ level. Nowhere near it.
@@mikelawry7304😂😂 we trying Bro we came out of nowhere. I didn't think we'd be this good. I'm ok with however the season play out because none of us saw this coming.
Really appreciate you educating the younger generation man. I was born in 2002 and didn’t really get to see Michael Jordan and all of the other past greats like that. Much respect🙏🏾💯
2011 forever disqualified him from the GOAT case. Got blitzkrieg in 2014 by a record finals margin after barely beating that same San Antonio team in 7 games the previous year just to win back 2 back. All 6 finals losses lost evenly, he's been swept twice, lost 4-1 twice and lost 4-2 twice. Tony Parker Finals MVP 2007, Dirk 2011 Finals MVP, 2014 Kawhi Leonard Finals MVP and in 2019 as the superstar for the raptors, the role player before becoming a superstar, Iguodala 2015 Finals MVP, Durant in 2017 and 18 Finals MVP. Giannis has won a title, Steph has won 4 titles in the LeBron era, Jokic won a title at his expense and Jayson Tatum and Brown have won so he does not have a goat case. Even with his 4 finals mvp agaist MJ's 6
Kawhi, Curry, and Jokic got full off of Lebrons plate. If he played any defense he might have been able to stop Jokic, Dirk, Kawhi, and maybe Curry but unfortunately he's kinda mid for a top 20 player in NBA history.
That clown from Akron don’t come close that why he’s still chasing the ghost in Chicago. His “goat” aspirations died when he ran to team up with wade and bosh, numerous super teaming up, visible quitting multiple times and not playing defense.
What's worse is he been constantly crying for help to do the dirty work(defense)while he just scores to get past Kareem. Stats record is his main goal and not actually winning after he realized his talent can't surpass a lot of greats on the championship side. He's way behind on the mental side
I am 29 being born in 1995 but my reference in basketball and even in Life has always been Kobe Bean Bryant cause he was mentally strong just as MJ is and as he is the closest player to Michael Jordan i obviously have respect for MJ true goat is MJ followed by KB#24
@@kyllianpepa9118 facts bro you can tell we getting a lil older by even making these statements but what you’re saying is 100% true. Everyone is caught up in how stuff looks instead of what it actually is. Lebron always folds when it’s time to prove that he’s just as great or greater than real all-time greats smh
I can't agree on that. Kobe not even the greatest Laker idk how he jumped to #2. Kobe resume not as impressive as alot of other guys who I have in the top 10. You can't put a player with 1 MVP above guys with 5 & 6. Magic Johnson is the greatest Laker ever Bro that's not a knock on Kobe but it's Magic. The player Magic was is the player LeBron fans think LeBron is that's the funny part. Magic was able to do everything guys like him Bird who also above Kobe they had no weaknesses at all an never had losing seasons. Kobe Bryant was great his real position is borderline top 10 he never passed Magic & Bird. Kobe vs West & Curry those are logical discussions. That right behind Jordan BS is fake. Go watch Mike highlights nobody did the things he did. Kobe adopted his mid-range an attitude but MJ explosiveness an defense Kobe not close.
Could you imagine if Lebron 3 peated twice, his fans would never let you forget it and ESPN would promote it till the cows came home, but they never mention it for Jordan
Jordan, Kobe, chamberlain, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem the Dream, there is no way hes better than them, Stephen A. always says hes a mount rushmore player 😂 another clown
Don't forget bill and Shaq. No center is as dominant as 3 peat Shaq and 11 ring bill. All of these dudes are hardened champs and never cried for help consistently throughout their careers unlike that softass quiter
@@nassiglutt6587thank you Bill Russell the only name worthy to be next to Mike not Kobe not Kareem it's Russell. He was voted MVP 5 times even players then knew he was more valuable than Wilt. Russell also was a world class athlete he could've easily averaged 20 if he wanted to but he was a real point center and the greatest defensive big man in NBA history he's #1 in defensive win shares by alot. He 10-0 in game 7s that mean he showed up each time. An he won as a player coach. People look at that 15 ppg an think he couldn't score 😂 ask his opponents.
Everything that he does is manufatured like him having his bum kid drafted so he could have a photo op, so if he did that it shows his desperation thats why we can assume that Chael Sonnen is right
Good morning SnF…I have to talk about the rewrite history part. They actually aren’t rewriting history, technically they are to people like us who know and respect the history of the sport,but I don’t see it as they are rewriting history. I see it as they are writing THEIR history. You ever hear the quote “speak your truth”? Which imo is nonsense because there is either THE TRUTH or it is an opinion or even an outright lie. People who think LeBron James is the greatest ever are doing that. It is “their history of the sport” not THE history.
"MY Truth" is something you see in girls a "re-affirmation" thing... Read chick stuff, listen how they talk.. thats what I mean when I say we have feminized society, feelings before facts now.
When people say LeBron’s teams were the underdogs, From 2010-2016, LeBron had the team that on paper was viewed as the most talented in the NBA. And supposedly, he’s the best player in the NBA, and now he’s talked about as being the best player ever. So why is the team underwhelming to such a degree in the regular season that they’re considered the underdog by the time they get to the finals? That’s a reflection on LeBron that so many of his teams are considered the underdog by the time they get to the Finals. His teams underwhelm in the regular season because they’re playing in the LeBron James system. With Michael Jordan’s teams, you never felt like there was any juice left in the tank in regards to their ability to play at their optimal best. That’s why they had so many seasons winning 60+ games, and MJ and Scottie would max out on both offense and defense. One of the main reasons why LeBron James’s teams are consistently the underdogs despite the fact that on paper, they had bigger names, is because they don’t play up to their standards and capabilities in the regular season. They’re constantly winning in the low 50s as opposed to the low to mid 60s; which you would think a team with the greatest player of all time would consistently be winning 60+ games. They don’t.
Honestly, I think that Mr. Chael Sonnen turned on the kitchen lights and now the LeRoach has been too afraid to run across the BioGenesis kitchen floor to snack on more EPO crumbs. That’s what I think is the reason for LeBron James’ recent true unassisted-by-PEDs naturally poor performances.
Hey SNFR love your channel and how u call out the BS with these wanna be great players. But i would like to see u do a video on the Knicks as i think are the closest team we going to get old school basketball with Defense and playing inside out i know your a fan of them too would love to hear your thoughts on them thanks again
He is the FURTHEST from being in the debate,Kareem,bird,magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Duncan,dr.j ,shaq,Russell all have a case,none of these players ran from competition,didn’t need super teams or teamed up with all stars in order to win,and they didn’t need 20rs to lose more than they won
@ I don’t hold him going to Miami against him. Same applies to Kareem and Shaq going to LA. It’s the fact that he could only go 2/4 with that team that took him out of the debate for me. Him leaving Miami( a solid organization) hurts his legacy more than him going there did. At least for me. If he had stuck with Miami and was able to equal MJ’s 6 then he’d be in the debate, but he didn’t so he was out as soon as the Mavs beat them.
I'm going to put this out there. There's only two ways to potentially fix the NBA: 1. Every team must start ripping up the contracts of players who slack off. The NFL did it. It can be done. If these guys don't want to be there it's easy to find someone else who does. 2. This is the fun one. In 1976 the Philadelphia Eagles needed to shake things up so they held an open tryouts. The NBA should do this. In order for this to work, current players HAVE to be at risk to lose their job if someone shows up who is better because those better players will show up. I think if they really did this, at minimum, 40% of the current NBA players would lose their job.
Thank You. The acceptance of the Lebron foolishness is in direct correlation to the state of the game and the state of culture today! Lower the bar, but claim the same greatness as the OG's??? NAH!!!!!!! Lebron really isn't top 10. He has cumulative stats, but nowhere near the skill and tenacity of the real greats.
it’s simple if you’re playing anything or any game would you rather win 6 times with no losses or lose 2 times, win two times, lose two more times, win one again, lose two more, and win one more.
As usual Sir, you have and continue a very wonderful and dedicated series on the defense of the Sport of your heart ..... LeBron is not a moving target, but a solid rock.
Since LeBron got in the NBA these criteria has changed to help him. “Winning” Champions means nothing. “Accolades” means nothing “Defense” means nothing “Dominance” means nothing
Man, I seen Jordans team mates miss a lot of great opportunities, shots you didn't think they should miss, but don't think people ever held it against them.. we actually appeciated teamwork I miss the days before the Lebron campaign when looking back on players you weren't ever judging them with a microscope.. funny though.. more we do, more 80s and 90s impress me compared to todays ...basically entertainers.
Kawhi, Curry, and Jokic got full off of Lebrons plate. If he played any defense he might have been able to stop Jokic, Dirk, Kawhi, and maybe Curry but unfortunately he's kinda mid for a top 20 player in NBA history.
Yes! Been watching this league for almost 5 decades and this Balco aint even in top 15 NBA greats to be honest. The league catered the game for his failures to make him lool good. Not only the league but sports media is part of this GOAT balco V Mike
As a LeBron fan, I agree with the sentiment that he blew his opportunity to be the GOAT along time ago. However, I do think he’s easily top 10 all time given his resume and God given talent. I won’t put him above MJ but there’s a case an argument for anyone else.
I don't have bron top 10 at his position or overall because of the way he went about his career. Always looking for shortcuts and stacking the deck in his favor. And the league propping up his teams with free throw advantages is another drawback. He's gravely underachieved with all these advantages. No player in NBA history has done less with more talent than LeBron James. And it begs the question, what would his career look like without all the advantages from the league and building superteams? Not very good. The juice is the dagger in this man legacy.
This silly goat debate started circa 2016 by Nick wright and Shannon Sharpe. Both guys, before getting their shows, was saying Jordan was the goat in their Twitter accounts. It's all manufactured. Dude aint greater than Kareem, aint greater than Wilt, ain't greater than Dr.J, ain't greater than Kobe, ain't greater Duncan, ain't greater than Hakeem. Jordan ain't no where in the Convo for this dude. Not even in the same stratosphere.
LeBron almost made my top 100 however he started flopping again so how can I respect him his entire career is made up of Lies trickery deceit on foul play, the man has no honor no love no respect for the game nor the fans 😎👍
In other words you're talking about Real BASKETBALL fans, not casual azz MAN fans! Older fans know the Standards of Greatness, and we hold ALL current and future players to those standards!
I don’t even have LeBron James in my top 10 I’m sorry but if you look at his game, it’s overrated just a lot of media hype. He has never impressed me so no, he’s not on MJ‘s level nor is he on a lot of other grace level. We just live in an era, where everything is watered down even our basketball players
None existant debate, Lebron was NEVER better then MJ, Kob, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain, Olajuwon, Dr. J... and then Cousy, Duncan, Curry, he is nowhere near top 10. The only player that had success and was as complete of a player with no weaknesses in his game that you can draw a real comparison was Kobe Bryant... he was the closest thing to Michael Jordan, not just from skill and success aspect, but in mindset and competitive drive to be the best... Kobe wanted to be like Mike, but in order to do that he knew he had to have perfect game, and he worked on it to the extreme, he followed MJ example, he lead the USA team like MJ did by setting the example, he even did it from defensive side like MJ, he played in the triangle like MJ did, he had same coach like MJ did, he had the same trainer MJ did... and to this day he was the only one who got to be like Mike for entire generation, he keept that same spirit in the game. Any other comparisons dont make sense. Lebron James has entire fake narrative constructed and pushed in by Klutch Sports and BSPN, all cappin and selling fake narrative that dont hold any value. Lebron is not anywhere near as complete of a player as MJ, he does not put the effort as MJ, he dont have the approach to the game like MJ, to him its just basketball, to MJ it was the way of life. Greatness does not take shortcuts, greatness goes into the grind and raises above all others, greatness takes sacriffice, commitment, and discipline.
LeBron James was NEVER even the greatest Small Forward of all time. Larry Bird was WAY better than this stat-padding, poor shooting, fundamentally unsound, completely unclutch, always "needs more help", "it's just basketball", "I never cheated the game", always making excuses for his many failures, lazy/cowardly defender, weak offensive rebounding, PED-abusing clown. LeBron doesn't even make my top 20 Small Forwards of all time.
@@JohnChavez-it6ir I'd add Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, Tracy McGrady, and Grant Hill being better than LeBron too. True, they did not have the career accolades of LeBron, but they also didn't have the NBA dumbing down and even IGNORING the rules of basketball for them, suspending key players from opposing teams in finals, and other shady shit to prop up their careers, and none of them had anywhere close to the amount of All Star/Hall of Fame "help" LeBron got to play alongside throughout his career. As players, those guys were all FAR BETTER Small Forwards on both ends of the ball than LeBron James ever was or ever will be.
@@labynoe that list you made is straight buckets. And then the LeBron template. But even grant hill was a much more skilled player that was more consistent with his shoot and footwork. Too bad he and TMac didn’t work out. I’m sure they woulda helped the case for a stronger east for the time. They did do a superstar Teamup, but just like LeBron the basketball gods said no sir. lol Kobe never respected LeBron. Whereas he said TMac was the toughest cover in the league.
@@JohnChavez-it6ir I think all of these Small Forwards were simply better ballers than LeBron - Bird, Worthy, Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Rick Barry, John Havlicek, Bernard King, Scottie Pippen, Chris Mullin, Paul Pierce, Alex English, and Grant Hill. Most are WAY better shooters/scorers, all were tougher defenders (if for no other reason than they actually hustled on defense), and ALL were better teammates to have on your side, IMO.
@@labynoe 💯 I forgot about Barry and his goofy free throw. Everyone you mentioned played great defense. But most important to me is that they all had IMPECCABLE footwork which is almost non existent in today’s league.
They also say Michael Jordan couldn't take the Wizards to the playoffs except he did, just in the form of the Chicago Bulls. The Bulls were a worse team, the year before Michael Jordan was drafted, than that Wizards team he was on. Those Bulls didn't even win 30 games. The only reason Michael Jordan didn't take that Wizards team to the playoffs is he didn't have enough time because he was passed the end of his career, and it takes time to create a winning team. Michael Jordan came out of retirement as a volunteer for the Wizards. He wasn't being paid. It was all benefit for the Wizards to allow him on the court.
2011 officially disqualified him. Theirs no excuse for that meltdown. Lebron is clearly the reason that they lost that finals too, he got outplayed by Jason Terry.
Steph Curry Built a dynasty on top of Lebrons Legacy. Those are the facts
That is a fact. 4 chips 1 team is a dynasty.
Lebron doesn't have a dynasty
Kawhi, Curry, and Jokic got full off of Lebrons plate. If he played any defense he might have been able to stop Jokic and maybe Curry but unfortunately he's kinda mid for a top 20 player in NBA history.
@@mikelawry7304 thank you LeBron is the reason he been swept twice in the Finals. How you in a goat debate with more than 1 finals sweeps? 2 times he loss 1-4? He not on MJ level. Nowhere near it.
@@Redskins32 how bout them Redskins🪖🪖🪖
@@mikelawry7304😂😂 we trying Bro we came out of nowhere. I didn't think we'd be this good. I'm ok with however the season play out because none of us saw this coming.
Really appreciate you educating the younger generation man. I was born in 2002 and didn’t really get to see Michael Jordan and all of the other past greats like that. Much respect🙏🏾💯
@Chase1738 Absolutely.
Thank you!!! Graduated in 1994....Loved Bird, Jordan, Barkley, Shaq...All of them back then
He is not in the Top 10!!!
He’s not in my top 20
MJ, Kobe, Bird, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem, Oscar, Russell, wilt, dr j, Duncan, curry, Jokic, Wade, Jason terry (😂) jk ya I’d say top 15 but no higher
!!! How could I forget Hondo too?!?!
He ain’t in my top 50
He's not in the top 500. I can't think of a worse player and I'm being serious
2011 forever disqualified him from the GOAT case. Got blitzkrieg in 2014 by a record finals margin after barely beating that same San Antonio team in 7 games the previous year just to win back 2 back. All 6 finals losses lost evenly, he's been swept twice, lost 4-1 twice and lost 4-2 twice. Tony Parker Finals MVP 2007, Dirk 2011 Finals MVP, 2014 Kawhi Leonard Finals MVP and in 2019 as the superstar for the raptors, the role player before becoming a superstar, Iguodala 2015 Finals MVP, Durant in 2017 and 18 Finals MVP. Giannis has won a title, Steph has won 4 titles in the LeBron era, Jokic won a title at his expense and Jayson Tatum and Brown have won so he does not have a goat case. Even with his 4 finals mvp agaist MJ's 6
Lebron's 2 worst finals losses (2011 and 2014) does not even include the finals where he got swept!!!
Kawhi, Curry, and Jokic got full off of Lebrons plate. If he played any defense he might have been able to stop Jokic, Dirk, Kawhi, and maybe Curry but unfortunately he's kinda mid for a top 20 player in NBA history.
That clown from Akron don’t come close that why he’s still chasing the ghost in Chicago. His “goat” aspirations died when he ran to team up with wade and bosh, numerous super teaming up, visible quitting multiple times and not playing defense.
Lebron's 2 worst finals losses (2011 and 2014) does not even include the finals where he got swept!!!
What's worse is he been constantly crying for help to do the dirty work(defense)while he just scores to get past Kareem. Stats record is his main goal and not actually winning after he realized his talent can't surpass a lot of greats on the championship side. He's way behind on the mental side
@@nassiglutt6587I read a comment the Lakers got 8 players who average 10+ ppg an this clown still need help. 😂
The clown from Akron never 3 peated with Super Teams, Jordan stayed with one team and did it twice
Balco only 1 back to back that he barely didn't win.
Lebron's 2 worst finals losses (2011 and 2014) does not even include the finals where he got swept!!!
@@christopherlouisecheng690 DAMN!!!😁
I am 29 being born in 1995 but my reference in basketball and even in Life has always been Kobe Bean Bryant cause he was mentally strong just as MJ is and as he is the closest player to Michael Jordan i obviously have respect for MJ true goat is MJ followed by KB#24
Facts same born in 1994.
@@stephordless8876 these social media kids will never understand
@@kyllianpepa9118 facts bro you can tell we getting a lil older by even making these statements but what you’re saying is 100% true. Everyone is caught up in how stuff looks instead of what it actually is. Lebron always folds when it’s time to prove that he’s just as great or greater than real all-time greats smh
I can't agree on that. Kobe not even the greatest Laker idk how he jumped to #2. Kobe resume not as impressive as alot of other guys who I have in the top 10. You can't put a player with 1 MVP above guys with 5 & 6. Magic Johnson is the greatest Laker ever Bro that's not a knock on Kobe but it's Magic. The player Magic was is the player LeBron fans think LeBron is that's the funny part. Magic was able to do everything guys like him Bird who also above Kobe they had no weaknesses at all an never had losing seasons. Kobe Bryant was great his real position is borderline top 10 he never passed Magic & Bird. Kobe vs West & Curry those are logical discussions. That right behind Jordan BS is fake. Go watch Mike highlights nobody did the things he did. Kobe adopted his mid-range an attitude but MJ explosiveness an defense Kobe not close.
@@Redskins32No need to look at the resume,just watch Mamba play and u know Bron ain't even close
Hes top 25 at best as much as he cheated the game
The 92 Dream Team would have beat the 2024 team by 30 points
30??? Shit. I bet 50.
2024 team has bo defense. At all. No one to stop the bigs downlow
Shit Christian laetner might get 30 alone.
The 92 dream team would absolutely annihilate anyone 😂
Still to this day the most talent I've ever seen on one court. Pure greatness everywhere.
Could you imagine if Lebron 3 peated twice, his fans would never let you forget it and ESPN would promote it till the cows came home, but they never mention it for Jordan
Lebron's 2 worst finals losses (2011 and 2014) does not even include the finals where he got swept!!!
Or if he was undefeated in the finals lol
I agree LeBron was never the in the goat conversation when it comes to Michael Jordan .
keep up the consistent truth telling! pushback on LeBalco's LeMedia's LeDikliks must continue!
How can he be compared to the greats when the nba changed the rules in lebron favor.
Jordan, Kobe, chamberlain, Kareem, Bird, Magic, Duncan, Hakeem the Dream, there is no way hes better than them, Stephen A. always says hes a mount rushmore player 😂 another clown
Don't forget bill and Shaq. No center is as dominant as 3 peat Shaq and 11 ring bill. All of these dudes are hardened champs and never cried for help consistently throughout their careers unlike that softass quiter
The funny thing is you could add Curry, West, Zeke and Jokic as better than LeBron and people would agree.
@@mymanuel187 right and I said don't forget Shaq and bill but they took of my comment🤣
@@nassiglutt6587thank you Bill Russell the only name worthy to be next to Mike not Kobe not Kareem it's Russell. He was voted MVP 5 times even players then knew he was more valuable than Wilt. Russell also was a world class athlete he could've easily averaged 20 if he wanted to but he was a real point center and the greatest defensive big man in NBA history he's #1 in defensive win shares by alot. He 10-0 in game 7s that mean he showed up each time. An he won as a player coach. People look at that 15 ppg an think he couldn't score 😂 ask his opponents.
💯💯💯 and Oscar
Facts! Happy Holidays SNFR!
Everything that he does is manufatured like him having his bum kid drafted so he could have a photo op, so if he did that it shows his desperation thats why we can assume that Chael Sonnen is right
Points well made👏👏👏👏👏👏 I agree💯%
Great video.
Another great video and facts. Keep bringing that 🔥
Good morning SnF…I have to talk about the rewrite history part. They actually aren’t rewriting history, technically they are to people like us who know and respect the history of the sport,but I don’t see it as they are rewriting history. I see it as they are writing THEIR history.
You ever hear the quote “speak your truth”? Which imo is nonsense because there is either THE TRUTH or it is an opinion or even an outright lie.
People who think LeBron James is the greatest ever are doing that. It is “their history of the sport” not THE history.
"MY Truth" is something you see in girls a "re-affirmation" thing...
Read chick stuff, listen how they talk.. thats what I mean when I say we have feminized society, feelings before facts now.
all Chris Mullin could do was shoot. He was on the team because he could shoot the damn ball. Going back to St. John's, he was a shooter.
he wasnt a good passer??
@johnnythekid4601 yes, he was. But he was known as a great shooter. Very good all around player.
When people say LeBron’s teams were the underdogs, From 2010-2016, LeBron had the team that on paper was viewed as the most talented in the NBA. And supposedly, he’s the best player in the NBA, and now he’s talked about as being the best player ever. So why is the team underwhelming to such a degree in the regular season that they’re considered the underdog by the time they get to the finals? That’s a reflection on LeBron that so many of his teams are considered the underdog by the time they get to the Finals. His teams underwhelm in the regular season because they’re playing in the LeBron James system. With Michael Jordan’s teams, you never felt like there was any juice left in the tank in regards to their ability to play at their optimal best. That’s why they had so many seasons winning 60+ games, and MJ and Scottie would max out on both offense and defense. One of the main reasons why LeBron James’s teams are consistently the underdogs despite the fact that on paper, they had bigger names, is because they don’t play up to their standards and capabilities in the regular season. They’re constantly winning in the low 50s as opposed to the low to mid 60s; which you would think a team with the greatest player of all time would consistently be winning 60+ games. They don’t.
Honestly, I think that Mr. Chael Sonnen turned on the kitchen lights and now the LeRoach has been too afraid to run across the BioGenesis kitchen floor to snack on more EPO crumbs. That’s what I think is the reason for LeBron James’ recent true unassisted-by-PEDs naturally poor performances.
Trump is in office he may have the fbi director investigate or open up sealed balco files
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Hey SNFR love your channel and how u call out the BS with these wanna be great players. But i would like to see u do a video on the Knicks as i think are the closest team we going to get old school basketball with Defense and playing inside out i know your a fan of them too would love to hear your thoughts on them thanks again
That Dr J comment is wild😂
One of the few that COULD have been in the debate, but he didn’t go 4 straight in Miami.
He is the FURTHEST from being in the debate,Kareem,bird,magic,Kobe,Hakeem,Duncan,dr.j ,shaq,Russell all have a case,none of these players ran from competition,didn’t need super teams or teamed up with all stars in order to win,and they didn’t need 20rs to lose more than they won
@ I don’t hold him going to Miami against him. Same applies to Kareem and Shaq going to LA. It’s the fact that he could only go 2/4 with that team that took him out of the debate for me. Him leaving Miami( a solid organization) hurts his legacy more than him going there did. At least for me. If he had stuck with Miami and was able to equal MJ’s 6 then he’d be in the debate, but he didn’t so he was out as soon as the Mavs beat them.
I'm going to put this out there. There's only two ways to potentially fix the NBA:
1. Every team must start ripping up the contracts of players who slack off. The NFL did it. It can be done. If these guys don't want to be there it's easy to find someone else who does.
2. This is the fun one. In 1976 the Philadelphia Eagles needed to shake things up so they held an open tryouts. The NBA should do this. In order for this to work, current players HAVE to be at risk to lose their job if someone shows up who is better because those better players will show up. I think if they really did this, at minimum, 40% of the current NBA players would lose their job.
Mj, Kareem, Russ, Wilt and Kobe
Thank You. The acceptance of the Lebron foolishness is in direct correlation to the state of the game and the state of culture today! Lower the bar, but claim the same greatness as the OG's??? NAH!!!!!!! Lebron really isn't top 10. He has cumulative stats, but nowhere near the skill and tenacity of the real greats.
it’s simple if you’re playing anything or any game would you rather win 6 times with no losses or lose 2 times, win two times, lose two more times, win one again, lose two more, and win one more.
Wilt, Kareem, MJ, the only 🐐 debate.
Thanks!
Never eva 🚫🐐
As usual Sir, you have and continue a very wonderful and dedicated series on the defense of the Sport of your heart ..... LeBron is not a moving target, but a solid rock.
I beleive the all time great list should be Jordan,magic,kareem,bird and kobe top 5
Since LeBron got in the NBA these criteria has changed to help him.
“Winning” Champions means nothing.
“Accolades” means nothing
“Defense” means nothing
“Dominance” means nothing
Man, I seen Jordans team mates miss a lot of great opportunities, shots you didn't think they should miss, but don't think people ever held it against them.. we actually appeciated teamwork
I miss the days before the Lebron campaign when looking back on players you weren't ever judging them with a microscope.. funny though.. more we do, more 80s and 90s impress me compared to todays ...basically entertainers.
they do this just to bring Lebron up
He was on goat watch after 10-15 yrs..Greatest of all Turnovers 😂
Kawhi Leonard and John Starks are my favorite players but Mj and Kobe are the greatest I've EVER seen😎👍🇹🇹
Kawhi, Curry, and Jokic got full off of Lebrons plate. If he played any defense he might have been able to stop Jokic, Dirk, Kawhi, and maybe Curry but unfortunately he's kinda mid for a top 20 player in NBA history.
There was a time James had a chance at greatness
The only way Lebron makes players around him better is thru trades, free agency and team hopping 💯
Lebron's 2 worst finals losses (2011 and 2014) does not even include the finals where he got swept!!!
It wasn't even a real conversation.
Only the media posted that nonsense.
And goofys believed it 🤪
I'm 40 plus, and I can 🏀 Beat LeBron... 1 on 1... best of 7.... 4-1 🏆
No, cause he would be scared to play you one on one.
@@ciscoflores5512playing him 1v1 makes no sense because he travels way to much and he honestly believes he can travel. I'd just be a fight.
Yes! Been watching this league for almost 5 decades and this Balco aint even in top 15 NBA greats to be honest. The league catered the game for his failures to make him lool good. Not only the league but sports media is part of this GOAT balco V Mike
Stephen is soft just like James. Geeze
As a LeBron fan, I agree with the sentiment that he blew his opportunity to be the GOAT along time ago. However, I do think he’s easily top 10 all time given his resume and God given talent. I won’t put him above MJ but there’s a case an argument for anyone else.
I don't have bron top 10 at his position or overall because of the way he went about his career. Always looking for shortcuts and stacking the deck in his favor. And the league propping up his teams with free throw advantages is another drawback. He's gravely underachieved with all these advantages. No player in NBA history has done less with more talent than LeBron James. And it begs the question, what would his career look like without all the advantages from the league and building superteams? Not very good. The juice is the dagger in this man legacy.
Jordan’s a plumber crusher who didn’t have to face zones. Get real kid
This silly goat debate started circa 2016 by Nick wright and Shannon Sharpe. Both guys, before getting their shows, was saying Jordan was the goat in their Twitter accounts. It's all manufactured. Dude aint greater than Kareem, aint greater than Wilt, ain't greater than Dr.J, ain't greater than Kobe, ain't greater Duncan, ain't greater than Hakeem. Jordan ain't no where in the Convo for this dude. Not even in the same stratosphere.
LeBron almost made my top 100 however he started flopping again so how can I respect him his entire career is made up of Lies trickery deceit on foul play, the man has no honor no love no respect for the game nor the fans 😎👍
He’s falling outta the top 10 too. Kobe is way better
In other words you're talking about Real BASKETBALL fans, not casual azz MAN fans! Older fans know the Standards of Greatness, and we hold ALL current and future players to those standards!
Dude I looked at basketball in the 80' and 90's. Lebron is barely top 15.
Lebron weirdos won't make the video like you said they are scared they get triggered easily
Everytime you post about Lebron you're having the goat debate. Wtf are you even talking about?
I don’t even have LeBron James in my top 10 I’m sorry but if you look at his game, it’s overrated just a lot of media hype. He has never impressed me so no, he’s not on MJ‘s level nor is he on a lot of other grace level. We just live in an era, where everything is watered down even our basketball players
Lebron can't even outscored Westbrook Harden Embiid and Luka for the scoring title? smdh dude's weak minded.
None existant debate, Lebron was NEVER better then MJ, Kob, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Kareem, Russell, Chamberlain, Olajuwon, Dr. J... and then Cousy, Duncan, Curry, he is nowhere near top 10. The only player that had success and was as complete of a player with no weaknesses in his game that you can draw a real comparison was Kobe Bryant... he was the closest thing to Michael Jordan, not just from skill and success aspect, but in mindset and competitive drive to be the best... Kobe wanted to be like Mike, but in order to do that he knew he had to have perfect game, and he worked on it to the extreme, he followed MJ example, he lead the USA team like MJ did by setting the example, he even did it from defensive side like MJ, he played in the triangle like MJ did, he had same coach like MJ did, he had the same trainer MJ did... and to this day he was the only one who got to be like Mike for entire generation, he keept that same spirit in the game. Any other comparisons dont make sense. Lebron James has entire fake narrative constructed and pushed in by Klutch Sports and BSPN, all cappin and selling fake narrative that dont hold any value. Lebron is not anywhere near as complete of a player as MJ, he does not put the effort as MJ, he dont have the approach to the game like MJ, to him its just basketball, to MJ it was the way of life. Greatness does not take shortcuts, greatness goes into the grind and raises above all others, greatness takes sacriffice, commitment, and discipline.
Jordan Magic Bird Russell Duncan Kareem Hakeem Kobe Shaq West this my top 10.
LeBron James was NEVER even the greatest Small Forward of all time. Larry Bird was WAY better than this stat-padding, poor shooting, fundamentally unsound, completely unclutch, always "needs more help", "it's just basketball", "I never cheated the game", always making excuses for his many failures, lazy/cowardly defender, weak offensive rebounding, PED-abusing clown. LeBron doesn't even make my top 20 Small Forwards of all time.
I’d say Dr J and Hondo were better too
@@JohnChavez-it6ir I'd add Bernard King, Dominique Wilkins, Tracy McGrady, and Grant Hill being better than LeBron too. True, they did not have the career accolades of LeBron, but they also didn't have the NBA dumbing down and even IGNORING the rules of basketball for them, suspending key players from opposing teams in finals, and other shady shit to prop up their careers, and none of them had anywhere close to the amount of All Star/Hall of Fame "help" LeBron got to play alongside throughout his career. As players, those guys were all FAR BETTER Small Forwards on both ends of the ball than LeBron James ever was or ever will be.
@@labynoe that list you made is straight buckets. And then the LeBron template. But even grant hill was a much more skilled player that was more consistent with his shoot and footwork. Too bad he and TMac didn’t work out. I’m sure they woulda helped the case for a stronger east for the time. They did do a superstar Teamup, but just like LeBron the basketball gods said no sir. lol Kobe never respected LeBron. Whereas he said TMac was the toughest cover in the league.
@@JohnChavez-it6ir I think all of these Small Forwards were simply better ballers than LeBron - Bird, Worthy, Dr. J, Dominique Wilkins, Rick Barry, John Havlicek, Bernard King, Scottie Pippen, Chris Mullin, Paul Pierce, Alex English, and Grant Hill. Most are WAY better shooters/scorers, all were tougher defenders (if for no other reason than they actually hustled on defense), and ALL were better teammates to have on your side, IMO.
@@labynoe 💯
I forgot about Barry and his goofy free throw. Everyone you mentioned played great defense. But most important to me is that they all had IMPECCABLE footwork which is almost non existent in today’s league.
It’s time for Lebron to come off the bench
2011 forever took him out the convo, and one could argue earlier with 2007 as well. Dude has shown and proven time and time again he ain worthy
They also say Michael Jordan couldn't take the Wizards to the playoffs except he did, just in the form of the Chicago Bulls. The Bulls were a worse team, the year before Michael Jordan was drafted, than that Wizards team he was on. Those Bulls didn't even win 30 games. The only reason Michael Jordan didn't take that Wizards team to the playoffs is he didn't have enough time because he was passed the end of his career, and it takes time to create a winning team.
Michael Jordan came out of retirement as a volunteer for the Wizards. He wasn't being paid. It was all benefit for the Wizards to allow him on the court.
2011 officially disqualified him. Theirs no excuse for that meltdown. Lebron is clearly the reason that they lost that finals too, he got outplayed by Jason Terry.
The league should retire the number 23 #jordan
The clown from Akron never 3 peated with Super Teams, Jordan stayed with one team and did it twice