Orange Retro 50: Handwired British Crunch From The @Orange Amps Custom Shop! 🍊

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  • Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024

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  • @watkinscopicat
    @watkinscopicat Год назад +2

    the Malkmus sound! so good

  • @CharlesWillisBonsai
    @CharlesWillisBonsai 2 года назад +2

    When you hit that first chord on the Les Paul my brain said YEAAAAAHHH

  • @mantashaft
    @mantashaft 2 года назад +1

    Rock n roll machine right there awesome

  • @soundknight
    @soundknight 3 года назад +3

    At last a hand wired Orange!

  • @kosmonument2682
    @kosmonument2682 3 месяца назад +1

    While Orange has increased the amount of gain stages on the Rockerverb MK3 amps, they still fall mostly into the more vintage side of the "tonescape" in my view. I think that's actually why they are favoured by some metal players--they offer a much bigger, fuller sound than your typical high mid-heavy, fizzy and scooped amps that everyone else is making these days. Especially in this age of generic and cheap sounding modelers and effects units. If you want a big valve sound today, Orange is on top of the list for your consideration. I personally recently bought an OR30 which is more "vintage voiced" than the Rockerverb by most accounts. There's also the Rocker 15 Terror head which offers the same at a lower wattage and price. Lots of great options from Orange for people seeking that more vintage tone.

  • @halfaron
    @halfaron Месяц назад

    Thanks for this video. It sounds like you and I share the same taste in amps. I'm looking into getting a Custom Shop 50 and this was hepful.

  • @cambian
    @cambian 2 года назад +1

    Great video! Tons of info - thanks!

  • @FretLevelMidnight
    @FretLevelMidnight 3 года назад +5

    I love the way that amp sounds and I couldn't be more jealous, thank you for sharing this treasure.

  • @jeremiahMc11
    @jeremiahMc11 3 года назад +1

    When I toured, I played through a Marshal 1987x and a Orange AD140 every night. Best tone for my hard rock days!

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад +1

      I bet that sounded godly!! I think a Marshall + Orange combination would be epic

    • @jeremiahMc11
      @jeremiahMc11 3 года назад +1

      @@JoePerkinsMusic it was! I found the Orange to sound somewhere between a Plexi and a Hiwatt. Very versatile! Killer video as always, keep up the good work!

  • @IanHaghighat
    @IanHaghighat 3 года назад +2

    Just started and I already know it’s going to be good!

  • @jasong546
    @jasong546 3 года назад +3

    great review, the amp sounds amazing!

  • @FretLevelMidnight
    @FretLevelMidnight 3 года назад +1

    Watched this video again, I love this amp. I would fight a small war for that bat wing guard SG were it a righty, great vid, man.

  • @kosmicwizard
    @kosmicwizard 2 года назад +1

    Congratulations, Joe! I hope you enjoy it for many many years, and thanks for sharing your experience with us!

  • @enricopallazzo8510
    @enricopallazzo8510 3 года назад +2

    I'm totally unfamiliar with Orange amps and always associate them to "metal" music so that's a nice surprise.
    I really enjoyed those clean tones, those were a real surprise. Gorgeous.
    I remember seeing that particular amp that you have Joe on a 1972 italian tv show. Italian Singer/Musician Franco Battiato was presenting his latest record "Pollution" (very Progressive Rock, Musique Concrète album), and his guitarist was playing his black LP Custom into that Orange Amp

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад

      This is a sort-of reissue of those older amps - but this one definitely sounds similar :-)

  • @Matti255
    @Matti255 3 года назад +1

    Thank you for the test with all the guitars and pickups types !
    The Retro 50 sound absolutely great ! Good choice !!

  • @mikeroadblock
    @mikeroadblock 3 года назад +1

    You rock kind sir!

  • @chikolocallo
    @chikolocallo 3 года назад +1

    Great video Joe. I have an AD50 and run it into a Hiwatt 2x12 with Greenbacks, always on the 30w class A setting. Brilliant with an old Boss OD-1 in front. As you said at the end, very few demos of either the Retro 50 or AD50 on RUclips. Love to see you do some more with this one.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад +1

      Ah wonderful! The shop I bought this off had a second-hand AD50 too, so I did have a look at it. Ultimately the Retro sounded more up my street, but I bet the AD is a phenomenal amp too! This one will be getting a lot of use in videos going forwards :-)

    • @tomasvanecek8626
      @tomasvanecek8626 Год назад

      @@JoePerkinsMusic Retro compared to AD50 has a Mid control and thats about it, dont expect any difference

  • @lordbeebus9842
    @lordbeebus9842 2 года назад

    Best amp ever

  • @honnaconna7312
    @honnaconna7312 3 года назад

    Mate congrats! Looks like me and you were doing the same ‘ahem’ research for a new amp head... I ordered my cs50 in black last week and it arrives Wednesday. I cannot wait!!!!

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад +3

      Ah amazing!! Sure you're going to love it - according to Orange, with the HF control at zero, the CS50 is exactly the same circuit as the Retro 50 :-)

  • @joselitomoares6187
    @joselitomoares6187 3 года назад +1

    ROCK

  • @ribbonsofeuphoria5744
    @ribbonsofeuphoria5744 3 года назад

    Congratulations on your new amp Joe and nice tones here. I had also heard the same dark, low gain comments about the Retro 50 so am pleased to hear you dispel these. I think the Retro has two preamp tubes as opposed to three in the Custom Shop 50 and OR50 so it would be delivering the good stuff through phase inverter and power amp distortion.
    I loved the reissue Orange OR50 (non HW) which I played through greenbacks. It did everything from JTM to JCM800 and really beautiful Jimi style cleans. Ultimately Class A/cathode bias amps are my favourite (and especially with big valves)... I saw you smiling as you started to gradually feedback with the Junior.
    I enjoyed seeing a nice range of guitars from a fellow of lefty 👍🏻 thanks for your video

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад +1

      Ah interesting - I wasn't aware of the 2/3 tube difference! From what I was told by Orange, if you turn the HF Drive knob on a CS50 all the way down, you have the Retro 50 circuit. This one certainly sounds amazing with the master cranked up though to get the power tubes really working!

  • @hearpalhere
    @hearpalhere 3 года назад +1

    Looks and sounds amazing! Great demo, really enjoyed hearing it with the variety of guitars too. I sadly don't own an Orange but have had the pleasure of playing a few here and there and they all have a certain magic. Really unique and can be used for so many different styles of music.
    Thanks for making this, I wasn't familiar with this model. I found your video by way of the Orange Amps' facebook page.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад +1

      Ah cheers mate :-) Yeah, it's an astonishingly good amp - hope you're able to get your hands on that dream Orange one day! :-)

    • @hearpalhere
      @hearpalhere 3 года назад +1

      @@JoePerkinsMusic Thanks! I'll definitely make a video about it if I do :-)

  • @denskilmusic4408
    @denskilmusic4408 2 года назад +1

    Love your work man! This was a very excellent and thorough presentation. As a Custom Shop 50 owner I was always interested in the difference between it and the Retro 50. I did my own video on the CS50 on my channel since there aren’t a lot out there, so I appreciate yours man :)

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  2 года назад +1

      Cheers mate :-) Orange told me that with the HF Drive knob turned all the way down on the CS50, the circuit is the same as the Retro 50.

    • @tomasvanecek8626
      @tomasvanecek8626 Год назад

      @@JoePerkinsMusic Now, which is this HF Drive knob on CS 50,compared to older AD 50 ? The only difference I see is Mid control, rest is the same and the HF is called Gain on my AD50... Now with Gain all the way down, no sound 🤣 .. have they made a fool out of you, or what ?

  • @monkeybrains
    @monkeybrains 3 года назад +1

    Sounds awesome. Cant justify buying a new amp at the moment.

  • @kyussfan6
    @kyussfan6 7 месяцев назад

    Our local warehouse punk venue uses one of these for their stock back line….
    With a Hiwatt

  • @andreasf6671
    @andreasf6671 3 года назад

    Really cool video. Love the effort you've put into making this! The only problem is that you've got me craving for a Retro 50 now, hah.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад +1

      Aha, it really is a killer amp - I've not played anything else since getting it home!

  • @moustachio334
    @moustachio334 Год назад

    I miss my OR50. It is a bit vintage sounding. I thinks it's probably similar to the AD50. Beautiful clean to high gain tones and pics only.

  • @adamwatson6916
    @adamwatson6916 3 года назад +1

    The old school orange cabs had celestion g12h30 75hz speakers. The warehouse reaper would be a great choice as it's based on the g12h30

  • @VoodooChiliBlues
    @VoodooChiliBlues 3 года назад +1

    Sounds great. We need to hear the big, fuzzy, EQ lift sound with a rangemaster.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад

      I'm planning to do a 'Does The Retro 50 Take Pedals Well?' type video soon - as aside from using it for one demo, I'm yet to put a single pedal into it! So I'm looking forward to finding that out :-)

  • @PeterWasted
    @PeterWasted 3 года назад +1

    Nice amp. I've not seen one of those before. Orange have always had their own take on things and really don't seem to be chasing any other manufacturer's sound. Even the Rockerverbs are different to the generic cranked Marshall that most other higher gain amps seem to be channelling. When forums talk about low gain, I think they generally mean that the amp doesn't do that vey tight "modern" distortion sound. For practically all applications other than "METAL" that's a good thing. While I don't know the Retro 50 at all, most older style Orange amps don't have a lot of headroom. They go fairly quickly from clean to fuzzy. It may be that you find some of your pedals less suited to use with the Orange. At some point I'd love to see a follow up with you trialling pedals with it.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад

      I think you're right RE 'low gain' - I think low gain for most people is what I would consider pretty high gain! :P The Retro 50 does get crunchy pretty quickly, but if you turn the master all the way up and use the gain control as you would 'volume' on a vintage amp, I think it's quite normal for things to start getting some hair at around 8/9 O'Clock....so I don't think it's out of the ordinary in that respect; but maybe a little different to how other master-vol amps work (I don't have much experience of them so I'm not 100% on that!)

  • @dennisflock3958
    @dennisflock3958 3 года назад

    Bad to the Bone. I love old school-style handwired amps. I've got a '68 Fender drip edge Champ, and a 5 watt handwired Marshall done by Carl Carrasco at Carl's Custom Amps. It was a Marshall Class 5, but we ditched the PCB and he handwired it for me specially and added a push/pull bright switch to the Vol knob.. Its a little 5 watt monster.

  • @adamwatson6916
    @adamwatson6916 3 года назад

    The celestion g12h30 75 hz are a key ingredient in the old school orange sound .. The orange AD series do the classic orange sound quite well . They split the diffrence between the vintage and modern orange sound . Page likes the AD30 and custom shop 50. He used the AD30 during his time with the black crowes.

  • @robertallen3031
    @robertallen3031 2 года назад

    I just picked up #60
    It's an amazing amp.

  • @the92project
    @the92project 3 года назад

    Ok, I was like mmmm ok, meh...until 11:35, alright! This box sounds good😂

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад

      Hah! It really does excel at crunch sounds, for sure!

  • @lordbeebus9842
    @lordbeebus9842 2 года назад +1

    Listen to the album death and taxes vol. 1 by the band Jaws. That album is the epitome of what this amp can do. Sharky Towers wrote a masterpiece.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  2 года назад +1

      Just listened to a couple of tracks...mega!

  • @En_A_B
    @En_A_B 2 года назад

    The clean is Kind a Vox (that annoying chime)!

  • @Kcapgar
    @Kcapgar 3 года назад

    Sounded great with tele and les Paul. The sg sounded muffled.

  • @johnbeloe
    @johnbeloe 3 года назад +1

    Very cool Joe...sounds stellar. What speakers were you using with it! I use a matamp series 3000 which is pretty much the earliest amp in the orange heritage...early Fleetwood Mac tones. Special cleans also, which you may not immediately guess when someone says orange or matamp. Very unique amps

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад

      Ah nice!! I'd love to own an original Orange Matamp one day :-) The cab in this video had Fane F70 and Warehouse Invader 50 speakers - seemed to be a combination that really worked with the Retro 50!

    • @johnbeloe
      @johnbeloe 3 года назад

      @@JoePerkinsMusic ahhh nice. I tried a lot of stuff with mine. The celestion types worked best overall but I think the fane 60 would also...just have it in another amp at the moment

  • @pedrolourenco2707
    @pedrolourenco2707 Год назад

    Nice video! Do you have experience with other Orange amps, how would you compare the Retro 50? I was always intrigued by this amp!

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  Год назад +1

      I've played a few. The Retro 50 is very much the 'old school' Orange thing (Matamp, Pics Only, etc) rather than the more modern Rockerverb/Terror type sound. So it's not _really_ high gain - but it's such a wonderful amp; one of my favourites!

    • @pedrolourenco2707
      @pedrolourenco2707 Год назад +1

      @@JoePerkinsMusic The retro 50 is 98% similar with the 40th anniversary custom shop! The construction is exactlry the same, even the chassis! This "girl's name" go for a lot of money... the only diference is that they dont have master and have a presence control instead. Look for pictures online... and I can also tell you that the retro 50 is very very close to the original Orange Matamp, for better :D

  • @fincito
    @fincito 3 года назад

    Great video as always Joe! You mentioned that you don’t like effect loops and I’ve always thought they were best for delays and modulation pedals. Would you have the same view if you had a modest pedalboard (like me!) and a single amp? Thanks!

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад +1

      Hi Fin :-) I think I would, to be honest - I run all of my modulations pre-drive on my pedalboard anyway, so putting them into the front end would be preferable. And I quite like the sound of delays into crunchy amps - though you do need to run the blend super-low to stop it becoming too messy, so you might need an expression pedal to increase the blend for cleaner sounds to make that really work. But yeah - I'm just not a fan of loops; I've experimented with them, but I've always preferred the sound of everything straight into the front end.

    • @fincito
      @fincito 3 года назад +1

      @@JoePerkinsMusic thanks so much for taking the time to reply! I really do appreciate it and please do keep up creating such great content :D

  • @bugeyedmudafuka2
    @bugeyedmudafuka2 Год назад

    Hi, how loud was this for the clean strat sounds at the start? Master looks pretty high and gain is low. Is there much clean headroom in it? Cheers

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  Год назад +1

      Very loud!! 50 watts with the master pretty much wide open. For pure clean tones, this wouldn't necessarily be my go-to amp - for me, I typically use this for crunch to overdrive.- but it's perfectly capable of glassy cleans if you want them 🙂

  • @moustachio334
    @moustachio334 Год назад

    Orange being dark all stems from the Thunderverbs only having a shape knob for it's clean channel and it had a bass transformer too. That's a dark amp made for bands like Boris or Sleep. I don't know how "Oranges are dark" got parroted so badly. Mostly on forums with a lot of new players like Harnony Central. Another Orange myth is that the AD30 is an AC30 copy. Just because it's one letter away in the alphabet; it couldn't possibly be the first letters of it's creator, Ade Emesley. When it comes to Orange, you can't read any forums. Only verified purchase reviews with puctures showing what they're using the head with. I also hear they don't work with fuzzes. This is wrong. They take fuzzes really well. Wata of Boris has atleast three different muff clones on her board for her AD30/OR120/Thunderverb combination ala wall of doom. No fuzz pedal works into a dirty amp and new guitarists don't know that fuzz pedals were invented to replace the need to slash your speaker cones because those old amps didn't distort enough. Oranges take pedals like any other amp. The V30 that comes stock in their cabs is horrible for the vintage rock inspired Orange heads like yours and my previous TH30. This is why OR50 anniversary models came with G12H's. I think Creambacks are the ideal Celestion for that singing barking Orange mid range. The vintage amps had Celestion G12H's and other countries got grey cast frame Fanes. The Fane F70 is a speaker that kinda captures that sound. I played my OR50 through my friends 2 4x12 vintage Sound City cabinets and he played it too. I'll never forget the punch in the mid range. It was stronger than his 100 watt JCM. Oh yea one more myth "Orange amps are fizzy". So are most amps at high gain going into V30's which have a spike at the fizzy 1k frequency to begin with. Not sure why V30's come stock with Orange. I know a lot of peoole love V30's but i like to be able to use my TS as a slight dirty boost. My V30 sounded like cardboard. I changed to a Weber replica of a Fane Axiom but chose to use a ceramic magnet instead. I love your speaker comparison videos btw. Thank you for all the quality content.

  • @tomasvanecek8626
    @tomasvanecek8626 2 года назад +1

    Well I have the AD50 CS, which is almost the same amp as this one.. has no Mids control, but Presence.. great amp, beefy transformers, neat handwiring..
    But my old Hiwatt DR103s have better MV design (less fizzy), and my Plexi/metal panel
    1987s Marshall replicas (68 and 71) have no MV, and the best sound of them all :))
    So I dont use the Orange CS HW 50 much..
    Also, I dont like their silly "A-class/B-class" switch on the back .. when in reality it is only a fixed vs cathode bias option.. but they are making fools of people still the same 🤣

    • @moustachio334
      @moustachio334 Год назад

      Not even the AC30 historically or now is Class A. I never understood the marketing hype or appeal.

    • @tomasvanecek8626
      @tomasvanecek8626 Год назад

      @@moustachio334 So right.. you cant realistically build a 30+ watt amp in pure class A.. but customers just fall for this scam 😂 .. and of course, with cathode biasing you can use any pair of proper power tubes and tweak no bias

  • @Paul_Lenard_Ewing
    @Paul_Lenard_Ewing 3 года назад +2

    The Orange does sound good but it ain't a 50 watt Plexi ;-)
    The Real solution for guys like us who love single channel tube amps is a power attenuator.
    Yes I am sure you just may be convinced it is not for you but you should at least check out
    Pete Thorns Mar 29/2021 review ...The Best Attenuator Available! Fryette PS100 Power Station.
    Pete is very diplomatic with 99% of his reviews. BUT when he is excited about something it finds it's way right into his rig like the Fryette did.
    I use the old Bugera PS-1 Power Soak and for all its faults it is still much better than a master volume. I am surrounded in a townhouse on 3 sides by neighbours only 3 walls between me and my Plexi 50 watt. The Fryette is on my short list even at $900.00 USD.
    Even so my Power Soak in a Plexi still sounds great. It replaced a JCM 800 wannabe. No regrets even attenuated.

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  3 года назад

      Nice! The Oranges are just a bit different to a Plexi - I think both have their place for slightly different things :-)

    • @Paul_Lenard_Ewing
      @Paul_Lenard_Ewing 3 года назад

      @@JoePerkinsMusic I do know my Oranges. In '71 everyone hung out at the Orange shop in London's West End. If you wanted to meet someone it was either there or the Fender Soundhouse. At Orange you could plug in and play the amps cranked. Fender was cool because they had a mezzanine floor and at the top of the stairs was a coffee shop.I can not even look at an Orange without thinking about the shop.

    • @sarahhey8654
      @sarahhey8654 3 года назад

      @@Paul_Lenard_Ewing Ah yes the good old days of Soho Soundhouse....now a Chipotle!!

  • @kosmicwizard
    @kosmicwizard 2 года назад

    Is it cathode biased?

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  2 года назад

      Fixed bias 👍

    • @kosmicwizard
      @kosmicwizard 2 года назад

      @@JoePerkinsMusic Even at 30W class A?

    • @JoePerkinsMusic
      @JoePerkinsMusic  2 года назад +1

      @@kosmicwizard Not 100% sure on the 30W mode, I've heard conflicting things about that...but the 50W (which I use pretty much exclusively) is definitely fixed.