In a capitalist society, not decriminalizing prostitution would just exasorbate current wage issues. It's very much like how they criminalised alcohol. Making it stay underground just makes it much more dangerous than out in the public.
This is the problem with capitalism. It lends itself to immorality. You follow through on this way of thinking and slavery would be common practice in six generations tops, closer to two or three
Thank you for this discussion. Prostitution is consensual act between adults. Violence, children, forcing are not prostitution, but something else and required to be illegal. They should be given 10x penalty anywhere there is prostitution.
prostitution and violence are inextricably linked because there are never enough women who are willing to sell themselves. there must always be coercion and trafficking to fill these gaps. normalizing and legalizing this will have greater ramifications for women, girls and society. there must be another solution than just accepting this into our society.
Prostitution is linked to many social and public health problems. It’s linked to pedophilia, human trafficking, child prostitution, homicides, drug use, violence and hygiene.
@@MelaniaRose Because it is illegal. If you legalise it most of these problems could be solved. Rape? Report to the police. Violence? Report it to the police. These things would be done without the fear of going to jail.
We need to protect the privacy of Tory MPs and keep prostitution for human and non-human, consenting and non-consenting, adult and non-adult sex workers illegal.
Whilst i dislike it! i still think it has a place, and does a service, which would help to protect some innocent females from sexual attacks, so it should be legalised, giving women of the streets better protection, health check ups and pay taxes, etc, like they do in holland and i think germany/denmark as well.
+Kerrie Grant The Dutch and German governments are in fact thinking again, realising they were wrong. Many brothels have been closed down now. Others are causing a lot of horrors. Check your facts are up to date.
aitch dubbya well e bruinese my dutch friend, would have told me this were very close and in daily contact, we discuss practically everything, so i dounbt this is happening in Holland/netherlands, as for Germany im equally skeptical, because its a good source of taxation, and a safety barrier against stds. However, i'm not that interested in what prostitutes are up to, i'll leave that to you.
I wonder if that woman asking for decriminalization will be up to do the "job" or any woman in her family. No, they have in mind women with less resources and they want them to become the first fight line against sexual abuse perpetrated by men, with their bodies. How atrocious. Abolition always, women are human beings and no human body should be sold in any way. Is a matter of human rights.
You are not selling parts of your body as a prostitute, you are selling the rights to access you body temporarily. It’s like a massage only much more intimate.
@@kimibellzhong5670selling consent * we need better education on what access to your body really means . Trauma is stored in the body whether you get money or not .
@@Nosoytunovia_ we don't allow nurses and hospital staff to consent to improperly handling bodily fluids. There are strict rules to ensure their own and the publics health and safety. Maybe there are some risks one cannot consent to. Can't consent to not wearing a seat belt, either. Taking certain risks is simply too dangerous to be left up to the individual. Consent only goes so far.
Well done Ayesha. Niki yaks and yaks and dominates, but even SHE admitted that prostitution is only the best of a set of BAD options, AND she says she would not promote or recommend it as a job! What kind of a spokeswoman does that make her for the trade? The comparison with New Zealand is ridiculous. There are only 3m people in NZ not 60m + like the UK. Another problem is that 99% of prostituted women are not British-born, educated, articulate like Niki Adams. Most are foreign, desperate, pimped, choice-less. There are about 80,000 prostitutes in the UK and only about 10 of them are members of the ECP, which represents pimps and madams as well as those they control.
Should marriage be criminalized? Should husbands be prosecuted? Many women marry very young or even marry their teenage boyfriend whom they met as a minor. Many wives have had troubled and unhappy childhoods. Many women marry to improve their financial situation. Many women find it very difficult to leave a marriage because of financial reasons, child custody battles, etc. Many wives are raped, beaten or murdered. Many suffer from PTSD. Many wives turn to drugs or alcohol to cope with their suffering. Women who claim to be happily married are in denial about how they are being exploited.
You cannot treat a girl aged 17 dating a guy aged 18 the same way as if he was 50. Teens are teens. Do you really want to turn teen life into a 1984 style dystopia of control?Sooner or later its gonna backfire. And not with them getting angsty. I'm talking about Syria in 2011 most of the prostestors were teens before they graduated to armed struggle. Don't think its impossible in a first world country. Teens don't like overbearing parents but they hate the state even more if that gets overbearing. The parents at least raised them but the state this abstract entity controlling their lives would be far worse. They would react badly. Just ask the syrians. Or any government whenever it tried to police teens too much. And you cannot win because you need them long term. I'm already worried that adult paranoia about teens will backfire badly soon enough. Maybe its too late.
@@florinivan6907 No, dating an 18 year old is far worse than dating a 50 year old. An 18 year old boy is about 7 times more likely to beat, rape or kill his girlfriend than a 50 year old. Check statistics or ask a cop. Do remember Gabby Petito? If she had been hanging out with a 50 year old she’d be alive.
@@JacobStein1960 How many girls hang out with 50 year olds as opposed to 18 year olds?I'm gonna say not many. The most likely scenario I can imagine is a teacher. You gotta look at the numbers and also circumstances as to how they met x and y. Quite a few teens in poor neighborhoods are in gangs for example. Which is conducive to violent behaviour. I grew up in a working class place. There were fights. Granted I don't remember girls getting beat up but it happens.
@@florinivan6907 You don’t hear about the 17 year old girls with 50 year old boyfriends because they don’t end up dead and dumped somewhere. Also you don’t see much civil unrest in the US because poor people are all loaded up with prescription pain medication and heroin.
@@JacobStein1960 Most civil unrest is a young mans profession. You don't have many 50 year olds on the barricades they're usually 16-25. Prescription pills are most common for people above 30. Youth tend to take performance enhancers not pills for their back pain. I thin the real reason is simpler. There are so many firearms that once severe unrest breaks out its gonna be a bloodbath. Most people instinctively know it.
Exactly, I just got a message back from a Maryland US delegate, telling me that it is a misdemeanor and that Maryland is trying to tighten human trafficking laws and that nobody wants a brothel in their neighborhood. I replied and said that we should begin with decriminalizing prostitution and let people work in the privacy of their homes or residence as long as there isn't a public disturbance.
Exactly, I just got a message back from a Maryland US delegate, telling me that it is a misdemeanor and that Maryland is trying to tighten human trafficking laws and that nobody wants a brothel in their neighborhood. I replied and said that we should begin with decriminalizing prostitution and let people work in the privacy of their homes or residence as long as there isn't a public disturbance.
I think hell would have to freeze over before that woman would ever agree with any point that relates to decriminalising. Maybe I'm just a dreamer but I thought this society was supposed to be a liberal one that had compassion for the vulnerable, judging by the people pulling the strings obviously not.
is that so and where do you get your information from? that was one of the points being made by the speaker as a reason to not decriminalise it, but maybe you have some insider stats to refer to
Did the woman on the left change her argument half way through. One minute she is saying that many women become prostitutes by CHOICE and then the next minute she is saying that we need to do more about the circumstances that lead to women being FORCED into prostitution so which is it?
They make several times the money of some of the vulnerable men who use their services...pay no tax.....sort out your own safety...don't condone the slightest violence but if you play with fire you will get burned ..
You're required by the IRS to state all extra income. It's a mans decision of he wants to pay for their services. Not their fault some people don't have self control.
@@penny4thought168 the self control is two way here... deprivation over morals and then demand respect and protections...jog on ...no self respecting man would ever settle down with a ex Pro...money is their God
In a capitalist society, not decriminalizing prostitution would just exasorbate current wage issues. It's very much like how they criminalised alcohol. Making it stay underground just makes it much more dangerous than out in the public.
This is the problem with capitalism. It lends itself to immorality. You follow through on this way of thinking and slavery would be common practice in six generations tops, closer to two or three
listen to the explanation of why decriminalization would make it safer then ignore that and peddle your line
Decriminalization can work with punishing buyers too
@@lachusity why would you punish well intentioned buyers? Punish people who suggest even doing that.
Yes absolutely it should be decriminalised. It should be 100% legal in a safe environment & taxed just like any other business.
+Highway Phantom It is already taxed but yes, full decrim would be best.
Nova Floozie It's taxed in the UK?
+Highway Phantom You can declare yourself as a sex worker with HMRC, yes. The tax deductible expenses are things like condoms, lube, undies etc.
Nova Floozie Oh I didn't know that. I'm in Ireland so I think it might be different here although I thought the UK was something similar.
Buyers should be punished, but hookers can be decriminalized
Thank you for this discussion. Prostitution is consensual act between adults. Violence, children, forcing are not prostitution, but something else and required to be illegal. They should be given 10x penalty anywhere there is prostitution.
prostitution and violence are inextricably linked because there are never enough women who are willing to sell themselves. there must always be coercion and trafficking to fill these gaps. normalizing and legalizing this will have greater ramifications for women, girls and society. there must be another solution than just accepting this into our society.
Nice and unbiased presenting, Channel 4.
So typical of political speakers, Ayesha is so quick to dismiss what Nicki is saying yet provides no evidence or examples to back up her opinions...
For the simple reason that she has only her opinion, strawmen arguments and radical feminist ideology to offer.
Prostitution is linked to many social and public health problems. It’s linked to pedophilia, human trafficking, child prostitution, homicides, drug use, violence and hygiene.
Love Muffin no statistic or fact in that statement. Typical fascist
@@MelaniaRose Because it is illegal. If you legalise it most of these problems could be solved. Rape? Report to the police. Violence? Report it to the police. These things would be done without the fear of going to jail.
Love Muffin it is because it is criminalized
6℅ SERIOUSLY!!!!!????
It's not going to make them safer......health risk goes down and are monitored and criminals lose a foothold....
We need to protect the privacy of Tory MPs and keep prostitution for human and non-human, consenting and non-consenting, adult and non-adult sex workers illegal.
Whilst i dislike it! i still think it has a place, and does a service, which would help to protect some innocent females from sexual attacks, so it should be legalised, giving women of the streets better protection, health check ups and pay taxes, etc, like they do in holland and i think germany/denmark as well.
+Kerrie Grant And the 90% of sex workers who aren't on the streets...?
+Kerrie Grant The Dutch and German governments are in fact thinking again, realising they were wrong. Many brothels have been closed down now. Others are causing a lot of horrors. Check your facts are up to date.
Nova Floozie why dont you google this yourself and find out!
aitch dubbya
well e bruinese my dutch friend, would have told me this were very close and in daily contact, we discuss practically everything, so i dounbt this is happening in Holland/netherlands, as for Germany im equally skeptical, because its a good source of taxation, and a safety barrier against stds.
However, i'm not that interested in what prostitutes are up to, i'll leave that to you.
Reasonable, practical, and preventing some sexual attacks, is a good thing, think that be taken more into account, just common sense
Hazarika is full of it. 🤥
Nikki Adams seems really love her job. Good choice!
I wonder if that woman asking for decriminalization will be up to do the "job" or any woman in her family. No, they have in mind women with less resources and they want them to become the first fight line against sexual abuse perpetrated by men, with their bodies. How atrocious. Abolition always, women are human beings and no human body should be sold in any way. Is a matter of human rights.
Well said!
You are not selling parts of your body as a prostitute, you are selling the rights to access you body temporarily. It’s like a massage only much more intimate.
@@kimibellzhong5670selling consent * we need better education on what access to your body really means . Trauma is stored in the body whether you get money or not .
@@Nosoytunovia_ we don't allow nurses and hospital staff to consent to improperly handling bodily fluids. There are strict rules to ensure their own and the publics health and safety. Maybe there are some risks one cannot consent to. Can't consent to not wearing a seat belt, either. Taking certain risks is simply too dangerous to be left up to the individual. Consent only goes so far.
Well done Ayesha. Niki yaks and yaks and dominates, but even SHE admitted that prostitution is only the best of a set of BAD options, AND she says she would not promote or recommend it as a job! What kind of a spokeswoman does that make her for the trade? The comparison with New Zealand is ridiculous. There are only 3m people in NZ not 60m + like the UK. Another problem is that 99% of prostituted women are not British-born, educated, articulate like Niki Adams. Most are foreign, desperate, pimped, choice-less. There are about 80,000 prostitutes in the UK and only about 10 of them are members of the ECP, which represents pimps and madams as well as those they control.
Re title: Yes.
Should marriage be criminalized? Should husbands be prosecuted? Many women marry very young or even marry their teenage boyfriend whom they met as a minor. Many wives have had troubled and unhappy childhoods. Many women marry to improve their financial situation. Many women find it very difficult to leave a marriage because of financial reasons, child custody battles, etc. Many wives are raped, beaten or murdered. Many suffer from PTSD. Many wives turn to drugs or alcohol to cope with their suffering. Women who claim to be happily married are in denial about how they are being exploited.
You cannot treat a girl aged 17 dating a guy aged 18 the same way as if he was 50. Teens are teens. Do you really want to turn teen life into a 1984 style dystopia of control?Sooner or later its gonna backfire. And not with them getting angsty. I'm talking about Syria in 2011 most of the prostestors were teens before they graduated to armed struggle. Don't think its impossible in a first world country. Teens don't like overbearing parents but they hate the state even more if that gets overbearing. The parents at least raised them but the state this abstract entity controlling their lives would be far worse. They would react badly. Just ask the syrians. Or any government whenever it tried to police teens too much. And you cannot win because you need them long term. I'm already worried that adult paranoia about teens will backfire badly soon enough. Maybe its too late.
@@florinivan6907 No, dating an 18 year old is far worse than dating a 50 year old. An 18 year old boy is about 7 times more likely to beat, rape or kill his girlfriend than a 50 year old. Check statistics or ask a cop. Do remember Gabby Petito? If she had been hanging out with a 50 year old she’d be alive.
@@JacobStein1960 How many girls hang out with 50 year olds as opposed to 18 year olds?I'm gonna say not many. The most likely scenario I can imagine is a teacher. You gotta look at the numbers and also circumstances as to how they met x and y. Quite a few teens in poor neighborhoods are in gangs for example. Which is conducive to violent behaviour. I grew up in a working class place. There were fights. Granted I don't remember girls getting beat up but it happens.
@@florinivan6907 You don’t hear about the 17 year old girls with 50 year old boyfriends because they don’t end up dead and dumped somewhere. Also you don’t see much civil unrest in the US because poor people are all loaded up with prescription pain medication and heroin.
@@JacobStein1960 Most civil unrest is a young mans profession. You don't have many 50 year olds on the barricades they're usually 16-25. Prescription pills are most common for people above 30. Youth tend to take performance enhancers not pills for their back pain. I thin the real reason is simpler. There are so many firearms that once severe unrest breaks out its gonna be a bloodbath. Most people instinctively know it.
Exactly, I just got a message back from a Maryland US delegate, telling me that it is a misdemeanor and that Maryland is trying to tighten human trafficking laws and that nobody wants a brothel in their neighborhood. I replied and said that we should begin with decriminalizing prostitution and let people work in the privacy of their homes or residence as long as there isn't a public disturbance.
I totally agree with this and I'm so glad that you said that.
Vulnerable people
Debt
Homelessness
PTS
Bad parenting
Undeveloped humans
YES IT should be decriminalized FOLKS.
They need to pay tax
*cough* religion
Religion is not important enough in the UK anymore for people to use it to influence laws
Exactly, I just got a message back from a Maryland US delegate, telling me that it is a misdemeanor and that Maryland is trying to tighten human trafficking laws and that nobody wants a brothel in their neighborhood. I replied and said that we should begin with decriminalizing prostitution and let people work in the privacy of their homes or residence as long as there isn't a public disturbance.
@@nataliegrayhandle 💯% agree 👍
no it shouldn’t because it is a crime . it’s a Sinful act . and a shameful act
To you. So is invading other nations and killing people. But you are happy to fund wars
" MY BODY MY CHOICE " Sound familiar ladies ?
I think hell would have to freeze over before that woman would ever agree with any point that relates to decriminalising. Maybe I'm just a dreamer but I thought this society was supposed to be a liberal one that had compassion for the vulnerable, judging by the people pulling the strings obviously not.
+sludeminie Who is vulnerable? Most sex workers aren't anything of the sort!
is that so and where do you get your information from? that was one of the points being made by the speaker as a reason to not decriminalise it, but maybe you have some insider stats to refer to
+sludeminie From listening to actual sex workers.
I'm guessing you had a significant sample to work with there then, to come up with your conclusion
+sludeminie Yes I did, I've read quite a lot of research done by sex workers on sex workers as well as blogs and articles written by sex workers.
Did the woman on the left change her argument half way through. One minute she is saying that many women become prostitutes by CHOICE and then the next minute she is saying that we need to do more about the circumstances that lead to women being FORCED into prostitution so which is it?
I hear no conflict. The logic is there is a group A who does things by choice but group B that is forced remains problematic.
I would feel safer with the bubonic plague being reborn than I would with prostitutes around
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
Men do it to jeez ppl make it out like it’s so bad it’s not 😂
yes
ice poseidon
They make several times the money of some of the vulnerable men who use their services...pay no tax.....sort out your own safety...don't condone the slightest violence but if you play with fire you will get burned ..
You're required by the IRS to state all extra income.
It's a mans decision of he wants to pay for their services. Not their fault some people don't have self control.
@@penny4thought168 the self control is two way here... deprivation over morals and then demand respect and protections...jog on ...no self respecting man would ever settle down with a ex Pro...money is their God
Lol men do it to😂😂
Viva la concha
Summer time here, girls dressed light, reveling, laughing, smiling, looser guys, getting drunk, drugged
3:06 Just like when some men surely have no other alternative they start selling drugs For many women there's a flip side