I so agree! Live in the US and it’s a money making scam to lift your vehicle bigger then 2 inches. These shops swear to you that you need to put bigger tires to go over things better. I made the mistake on listening to a highly recommended shop on installing a 6inch Procomp lift on my FJ. Even though it rides great because of the cvc joints are perfectly level it was not necessary to do and I only run 33s. To run 35 or bigger I would have to re-gear and that another $3-4,000.00 + tire cost. I wish they had more of this stuff on the internet back in 2012. I tell everyone do what the Aussies do, they have been doing it longer and better then us!
Austrailian lifts: change every suspension part so the 4x4 works perfectly. American and Canadian lifts: PUT SOME SPACERS ON AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS YEE YEE
Pretty much sums them up. Have you seen the American 4x4 rally's tho? It's a joke heaps is stupidity lifted "trucks" lol all going about on a flat mud pan. They wouldnt no shit from clay as far as real 4x4s and calling them trucks.......cute
Excellent advice about maximum viable tyre size for a given lift. Ideally, you want to run the biggest tyres you can safely use with the lowest suspension lift possible while maintaining or increasing travel. Maximizing tyre diameter, ground clearance and usable travel while minimizing center of mass height.
Great point. Many believe a suspension lift allows you to increase tyre diameter. The truth: Live axle - IF you have modified your axle locations via aftermarket radius arms, extended upper & lower trailing arms - eg extended wheel centers and / or modified your bump stops then you may have made more room for larger tyres. This along with in some cases some bashing and cutting if necessary. If you have not done all of these things then the answer is no! The funny thing about suspension is that it MOVES 🤔🤨
This video really made me aware of how different the offroad culture and obstacles are from Australia to the US, because on-road capability is often scrapped entirely to be able to tear up anything here in the US. Bigger, stronger, and more flex, that's how it is here, especially in Jeep circles. And also, we don't have to deal with any modification tax or fees until your rig looks more like a 4-ton side by side buggy than an actual truck and you still wish to ride on roads, so people have nothing stopping them from putting 1-ton axles and 45's on their rig. Still awesome, but different.
This video has made me realize that I need to think about more than just lifting my 4wd. I'm turning my bog stock 1995 TF Holden Rodeo into a work ute and a mad 4wd. I now know what I need to do to make it as good a car as I can thanks to you guys your such an inspiration to me. Can't wait to see if I can meet you guys one day and show you my 4wd.
Running 3 inch lift in my hdj81 with 35s plenty of flex nice and stable. I have done everything covered in this video. Good to know I was doing it right.
It's times like this I love living in the USA, depending on were you live you can go rediculously high, but big lifts,big tires means nothing if you don't have good and proper shafts and angles and almost equally important a axle that can handle the tires with breaks that can stop them.
@@officialWWM you've obviously never been mud running in the Southern swamps in the US, besides I'm 6'4" I like to step up into a truck like when I was 8 years old,lol.
This is a great video loaded with useful info. I have a '93 GMC Suburban with IFS. I would like to lift it to get bigger tires but now I know not to go over a two inch lift (as I suspected). The vehicle has 31" but I would like to fit 35" tires. I have learned that anything bigger such as 37" or more would be a mechanical nightmare for this particular truck. Thanks guys down under for all your great advice.
I am in Dallas Texas and I have an 06 Jeep Grand Cherokee WK/WH with a 2 inch OME lift. I think it actually rides much better with the lift on it. Great videos, keep up the good work.
@@sebastiankvyat3915 ahh makes sense. I've heard that fact in the context of hunting (no public land, it's all pay to hunt ranches) but makes sense too then that it'd be pay to offroad. sucks
My fzj80r used to run 35s, 4" tough dog lift with dobinsons springs and big bore shocks..... Castor correction bushes, part time kit to solve to front tailshaft angle causing excessive wear. Drove 1million times better than dad's 75 series with 2" lift. If I was to do it again I'd try and make the 35s fit on a 2" lift tho I reckon
i'm running an Old Man Emu lift in a Suzuki Samurai. 1.5 inches, spring under. Love it! Handles really nice still, better ride than factory, and flexes nicely. That with some rock sliders, auto lockers front and rear, a set of bumpers and a winch. It will go places that I wouldn't dare take a spring over samurai. All that on 29" tires to keep from breaking axle shafts.
2" lift in the 80 series with King springs and it fits 35" tyres pretty easy. Although measuring it up it's probably closer to 3". The arb cheat buttons help it go most places.
G'Day All, I have fitted a 2in Suspension upgrade (TJM) on my 2019 D-Max running 265 AT's, I'm very pleased with the ride, before the upgrade and the ute was fitted with all the extras front and back the standard suspension was flat lined, since fitting great ride, cornering is better, and around better off road, Thanks for the upload can't wait for the next, cheers.
I'm on a 3.5in lift with 33in hybrid at/Mt tires. 2003 jeep wj , long arms , 4.10 gears, transfer Case clocked for additional 2 in of clearance, low profile tc cross member for additional 1.75 in of clearance, cut off radiator support and made a high clearance support for 2.1 in of extra clearance, heavy trimming of front and rear wheel wells and grind off pinch welds for more clearance, washer bottle relocation, gas tank lifted 11 inches for more clearance, cut out all rocker panels and weld in place 1x 4 in rectangular tube for additional 1.8 inches of side clearance, high clearance steering flip kit . I'm probably missing a few things I did for more clearance but that's what I can remember right now. Oh and all control arm mounts were cut of for more clearances after my double triangulated rear 4 link suspension and front 3 link was installed.
Summarize: independent suspension should not be lifted more than 2" - or it gets really expensive. Solid axle can be lifted to 4". But don't do it because it is expensive and makes the vehicle handle like poop. LOL
Because lifting it 4 inches messes up your suspension geometry. It may possibly be better off road at low speed in some situations but it won’t handle or break like it did before on the road. If you lift your role centre there is no way it can handle better
@@nzmarkb8713 I never claimed it handled better, I said it handles great. When done correctly, lifting 4 inches isn't going to hurt suspension geometry that much, it's a solid axle 80 series Landcruiser, not an IFS Prado shitbox
ive been in the offroad empire for more than 30 years this is a great video and explains these topics wonderfully..i found one thing id like to point out jock said ( all these vehicles have 2inch lifts and go all over AU with no issues) now depending on how you look at it ..one might consider winching to be an issue and you guys winch alot usually from what i can see its because the vehicle got hung up on something. where as if you all ran lockers and a 4 inch lift and bigger tires it would not happen as much..but like was stated in your video its all about what you wanna do off road.keep the videos coming i love watching your guys adventures..me personally my off road truck is a 1983 f150 4x4 long wheelbase with a 4 inch suspension lift and 3 inch body lift rolling on 35's working dual fuel tanks lockers front and rear front bumper and winch mount made by me with a warn 12k winch among other things on board air a bit of water and on board welder.
Don't forget in Queensland, that legal 2 inch lift has to include any lift you get from taller tires. If you put on springs that give you 2 inches lift, then put on bigger tires and end up being 2.5 inches taller, you're going to get defected for it eventually.
Excellent video! I now understand what I need to do to my 18 F150! I was gonna do the dumb thing and go for the 4 inch lift (which involves lots of cutting and cash) but now I can actually look for a 3 in setup that can do well, if not better! Keep the great vids coming👍
I’m a workshop owner that’s also a wheel alignment specialist If you want to break cv joints , bend steering knuckles and wear out your steering rack on any independent front suspension vehicle simply raise your vehicle higher that 50 mm.
2:47 I live in the States here in Oregon, we don't have severe lift laws. My neighbor has a crew cab Powerstroke on 54" Swampers and sometimes daily drives it. Highway speeds at 65mph easy.
@@team_suv7778 I built two '79 F150s, love those! First one was on 38x15.5x15 radial swampers, second was on 36x16.5x15 Dick Cepec's on 15x12s. They must have stuck out 6" from the fenders, but it was a daily 33 miles to work then 33 back, both drove awesome! I never should have sold them. They jumped the dunes here really well around 50mph, what they were made for and never broke once. 👍
One of the best setups I used to run was on my Jeep cj7, 3.5" lift,31"x11.5"-15" rims, 15"x8" wide with 3/4 center offset to the inside ( sorry I didn't use metric, I'm feeling lazy today), 4 speed trans,258 inline 6cyl. With a little torque modification and around 3:90 something rears or 4:11 ( I can't remember which). She went everywhere,drove great in city and hiway. Now I just have just under 4" custom lift and 33" rubber on my 85' dodge w-150.
@@achilleaustin me as well, I drive a 04 Suzuki Grand Vitara. I have considered just a small 1” body on mine, just to make a hair more clearance for sliders going on this summer.
good coverage of the issue though also very specific to Australia. The most common lift size on trucks in the US is the 6 inch lift, which usually allows 37inch tires with plenty of travel. We don't have your extensive engineering laws. It's also much cheaper here than in AUS. You can put a 6 inch lift on most full size trucks for under $3000 US, but these are also leaf spring vehicles in fact a lot convert from front coils to front leafs. Also travel isn't nearly as important as it is for AUS, lifts are mostly a vehicle for getting clearance for 35inch and up tires to deal with soft ground and snow.
Most infomative vdo ever .... i waz confused abut lifting my SUV ... how much should i go 2 or 4 or 6 ... now i understnd d pros n cons of lifting ... thanks bro ...
Bonjour, hi. From saint-hyacinthe, Québec, Canada. Hi have a 2004 toyota 4runner v8 (prado120) with a OME 2.5 inch hd coils lift and it rides like a charm. For better clearance i had a 1.5 inch bodylift. Lots of space for the 255/80r17 (33x10 inch). I Listen to every of your youtube videos. Brings a little bit of heat, joy and sun in this cold winter here !!!!
my n60 get me everywhere with 2 inch lift 32s and rear looker I wish I could sas it but not worth 8g+ to do so it works good as it is and good on road so just send it
Excellent video Jocko! I own a 2015 Ford F150 (Canadian) with a 3" lift. The lift kit I bought came with a heavier control arm with the angle changed to keep my CV's at or very near where they are from stock. The 3" kit was just under $150 more than a 2" kit was thus why I went with a little more, I figured $150 wasn't bad for an extra inch. But the 4", very expensive & whoever does it has to buy quite a few extras to make the IFS F150 steer, handle, etc., it's nuts!! And the kit itself is over $1000 more than a 2" lift kit is without getting a whole lot more. My kit came with heavier shocks, struts, the upper control arms & bits & pieces for brake lines and such. Anyway, that's why I only lifted my pickup 3", it was an affordable option ($800 in my case) & it gives me enough lift with the new rims & 33" tires I'm easily satisfied with it.
Didn't mention drop boxes? I personally run full superior engineering 4" hyper flex kit with 7" shocks bump stops to suit. Drives beautiful on road and off road. They aren't race cars so don't drive it like one. You get what you pay for. And knowledge is power. Do you research.
I learned so much! Thank you Im only lifting my truck a little less than 2 in. Just heavy duty leaf springs in the rear, then even it out in the front with new Bilstein shocks
My sequoia is 2.25” front and 3.24” rear. No sway bar in the rear, solid axle in the rear, long travel socks with limit straps. Helps make up for some flex lost with the lower lift IFS. A locker in the rear makes it ver capable for overlanding.
Got a 4" lift in my ifs hilux for over 2 years, Heavy 4x4ing and long trips with next to no issues, 2" cost $990 3" is $1100 and the 4" was 1300 so when you said each inch is an extra $1000 is a bit over exaggerated
From what I got from this video is 2" is best overall unless you rarely drive on the streets. 2" is cheaper, less aftermarket parts, and will still get you where you want to go.
Great video! - much needed, thank you! 35's on a 2" lift seems to work fine on the Nissan Patrol GU 2012. So far off-road, the wheels haven't scrapped body or guards. Has Tough Dog suspension.
Zero dude, just set the bumps to suit to limit up travel and get correct offsets, radius arm spacers to push diff forward then let whatever scrubs wear out by itself, little bit of cutting on the flare and the inner protection shroud. Also have 50mm spacer in front spring to even out suspension which is temporary until I get a proper setup once all weight is sorted.
this is really, really good. Extremely thorough but concise, the visuals are superb. I've been reading and watching on this topic for two years and I understand more about what goes on from the first half of this video than all the rest combined. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff by good guys out there but you boys nailed it.
Suspension changes the entirety of how your vehicle preforms offroad... I just installed OME 886 up the front of my tacoma and its way too stiff!!!! it rides like crap compared to the old stock 3rd gen (sport!) coils. And thats on my 2nd gen! Probably some really great coils, I just applied them wrong. Down-sizing to 885's up front will soften my world! not to mention bringing it back down to the desired 2" over stock Great video!
@@stuartkcalvin i know how leaf springs work and the methods of doing lifts with them, but there are people out there that don't know and still would like more info themselves
I've Got a 2014 N70..I am running 2 inch lift both front and rear from OME...running 285/70r17 mud tyres...it drive so damn perfect out on the road and off-road 💯💯💯
Best way to fix the panhard rods is to actually drop the towers so the rod sits relatively flat, that way even through travel the diff has bugger all movement
Stupidest lift I’ve seen. Jeep Cherokee on a 3” lift with 20” rims and low profile tyres. Here in Perth. Spent the rest of the day laughing my head off.
Stupidest I've seen is a ranger, 2" lift - flares - front and rear bars - heavy duty roof rack - snorkel etc. 20" wheels, 35 profile road tires and all on a 2wd hi-rider.
I looked at a Tacoma at a dealership once. I was lifted,mud tires rock bars,lights ,nice bumpers and lots of accessories. I thought hey that’s not bad I look under it and the damn thing is 2 wheel drive,🤣
After watching this I gave up the idea of lifting, as the main priority is touring. The biggest tyres that fit and a good set of springs and shocks. That may give half an inch more clearance and some wheel travel... I reckon that is enough for the dirt roads and light off-road tracks? Oh... and P.S. Love that technical stuff. Keep going guys! That is a great stuff as well!
I run a 2.5 inch OME on a 2018 Jeep JKU and 35 inch tires. I have had to ad a 2 inch spacer on top of the rear spring to help with sag, as it is pretty heavy when loaded. I works great, wife drives it to work 80 miles every day.
4.0" lift and 31" tires on a TJ, arms changed, unlokers for off-road and it feels very good, a lot of flex and I can drive fast in the road with out any problem
New Zealand 4x4 modifications are more relaxed than in Australia. I have a Jeep TJ on 35s with 3” lift and some body work so the tyres fit. All certified and legal over here.
People in the United States; "What is this engineering law you speak of?" We have no such legal or financial government restrictions. However your off-road commentary is on point. I wish more people would understand this. In America, most people think bigger is better, i.e. 6 (15.24cm), 7 (17.78cm) and 8 (20.32cm) inch lifts are the way to go. Usually this is not even a suspension but a body lift. They get ground clearance and option for bigger tires (tyres), but run low grade suspension components. Don't get me wrong, we have a solid 4x4, off-roading and overlanding community that know better, we're just out numbered by the ignorant. What can I say, thanks for the video.
I feel there is so much missing with Live Axle information. They only demonstrated a Radius arm solid axle style. A 4-link helps alleviate a lot of those issues, and is worth mentioning. Coil vs Leaf live axles, etc, etc...
i put a 2" sus lift in my suzuki grand vitara. cost around $560 aud, it was a lovells kit.(also did 2" body lift after) it was a straight slip in/bolt up kit so no modding required. i also checked available droop/flex before a brake line was in trouble and put in 2" shock blocks for the rear. so now full flex, no brake line risk and no rub in the guards. she is sitting on 31's and looks the real deal off road. did Montezuma falls a few weeks ago and didn't have to touch a strap or winch. next will be a removable winch and a locker. but im definitely an IFS man. i cover 98% of my kms on the pavement and tassie is not well known for straight or good roads XD
I came up w/ the split in "1/2" spring or if air bag inside or such. The cut is about 30 degs or so & it attaches to 2 slide plates So top of spring or progressive spring doesn't hve to sit directly over the lower spring. It allows the 2 plates w/grove slip joint to slide independent but still work together. This helps w/braking where nose or front goes down,& then it resets normal geometry. Not being directly over each means it can b even more progressive not just in spring spacing but the actual size of the spring. Truly quality soft ride even on big trucks unloaded. If u hit a curb or rock again the spring helps NOW front to back as well as just up & down.
Thanks boys that's the video I've been waiting for I'm running a 2inch lift and 35s my 79 it's a good ride but over year the previous owner has had some big weight on it and has made it sag so now I'm going to a 3inch lift to clear the 35s and keep the rd driving at it's best
Have any questions? Let us know!
You answered so many already in this video. Thanks for the great presentation. You guys rock.
I’m running a 2”” Ironman lift with foamcell pro. Is fulcrum better?
What do you think about OME??
Would lifting the front of a RAM 1500 to match the height of the rear cause any problems? Would it affect warrantee on a new vehicle?
@@ssinistervy9612 not RAM, only Toyota !!!!!
Simple answer is yes. The mother in law cant climb up into my LandCruiser.
Great video Jocko! You might be the best in the team ;) keep it up boys!
Had that exact problem, mother in law struggling to climb into the Triton.
GGFCHMMAL normally isn’t a problem... 😂
@@rileyknox Nah. 👵🏼
I'm laughing way too hard at this
Factual and didn't try to cram every part out there down my throat. I love it. We need more content like this
Thanks for this video. Was considering 3" but sticking to 2" now. It helped me better understood the whole concept. You guys rock man!
If you live on the Gold Coast you NEED a 6”+ lift if you’re a real man on your financed dual cab that never goes off road.....
Every truck in the US.
@@donewhiskey Nah, the US trucks must have a 12 inch lift and 48 inch tyres.
@@petert3355 No self respecting American has tyres. 48 inch tires with 44 in wheels for the real men at the mall
@@AeroEngineer100 Too true... Hate the look and cannot believe the money people dump into them.
@@petert3355 Here in Saint Bagundi trucks have 48 inch lift with 12 inch wheels.
I so agree! Live in the US and it’s a money making scam to lift your vehicle bigger then 2 inches. These shops swear to you that you need to put bigger tires to go over things better.
I made the mistake on listening to a highly recommended shop on installing a 6inch Procomp lift on my FJ.
Even though it rides great because of the cvc joints are perfectly level it was not necessary to do and I only run 33s. To run 35 or bigger I would have to re-gear and that another $3-4,000.00 + tire cost. I wish they had more of this stuff on the internet back in 2012. I tell everyone do what the Aussies do, they have been doing it longer and better then us!
Austrailian lifts: change every suspension part so the 4x4 works perfectly.
American and Canadian lifts: PUT SOME SPACERS ON AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS YEE YEE
i like fantasy as well ,,,,
Pretty much sums them up. Have you seen the American 4x4 rally's tho? It's a joke heaps is stupidity lifted "trucks" lol all going about on a flat mud pan.
They wouldnt no shit from clay as far as real 4x4s and calling them trucks.......cute
My wife said she can make 2” work. Idk how to feel right now
You defiantly need a bigger truck then. Maybe a big dual cab with a massive lift and giant tires. Maybe that will help.
whatfreedom7 she says that’s what Jodi drives
Insufficient I'm guessin.
Like a lucky man
Is your wife from Vietnam?
Excellent advice about maximum viable tyre size for a given lift. Ideally, you want to run the biggest tyres you can safely use with the lowest suspension lift possible while maintaining or increasing travel. Maximizing tyre diameter, ground clearance and usable travel while minimizing center of mass height.
Great point. Many believe a suspension lift allows you to increase tyre diameter. The truth: Live axle - IF you have modified your axle locations via aftermarket radius arms, extended upper & lower trailing arms - eg extended wheel centers and / or modified your bump stops then you may have made more room for larger tyres. This along with in some cases some bashing and cutting if necessary. If you have not done all of these things then the answer is no! The funny thing about suspension is that it MOVES 🤔🤨
This video really made me aware of how different the offroad culture and obstacles are from Australia to the US, because on-road capability is often scrapped entirely to be able to tear up anything here in the US. Bigger, stronger, and more flex, that's how it is here, especially in Jeep circles. And also, we don't have to deal with any modification tax or fees until your rig looks more like a 4-ton side by side buggy than an actual truck and you still wish to ride on roads, so people have nothing stopping them from putting 1-ton axles and 45's on their rig. Still awesome, but different.
for a young bloke, jocko has got heaps and heaps of very use full knowledge that can help so many people
This video has made me realize that I need to think about more than just lifting my 4wd. I'm turning my bog stock 1995 TF Holden Rodeo into a work ute and a mad 4wd. I now know what I need to do to make it as good a car as I can thanks to you guys your such an inspiration to me. Can't wait to see if I can meet you guys one day and show you my 4wd.
They don’t care…
How’s the rodeo going mate?
Thanks mate as a 53 yr old grandfather I still learnt from this Vid...cheers 😀
Running 3 inch lift in my hdj81 with 35s plenty of flex nice and stable. I have done everything covered in this video. Good to know I was doing it right.
It's times like this I love living in the USA, depending on were you live you can go rediculously high, but big lifts,big tires means nothing if you don't have good and proper shafts and angles and almost equally important a axle that can handle the tires with breaks that can stop them.
Ueah my 3 link kit for my jeep was the cheap part. It was the custom shafts. Otk steering and sye kit that cost stupid amounts.
But clearly, you don’t need to go ridiculously high! Unless you have a small pee pee but a high lift won’t actually fix that.
@@officialWWM you've obviously never been mud running in the Southern swamps in the US, besides I'm 6'4" I like to step up into a truck like when I was 8 years old,lol.
This is a great video loaded with useful info. I have a '93 GMC Suburban with IFS. I would like to lift it to get bigger tires but now I know not to go over a two inch lift (as I suspected). The vehicle has 31" but I would like to fit 35" tires. I have learned that anything bigger such as 37" or more would be a mechanical nightmare for this particular truck. Thanks guys down under for all your great advice.
I’d love a video on all of the snorkels you guys run on your different rigs and why.
I used to watch every video but now I finally remembered this channel and my
dad gave me the dvd's and now I can watch on youtube
4WD action I hit dat bell and I ❤you're channel and can you do a vid with shorty??
@@VancedGamingg they did a walk around of shorty not long ago.
Next video: Best engine mods for your 4x4
Yes please👍
None lol
@@AndyL940 Yeah mate, gotta keep the balance between performance and reliability or you will spend more time in the shop than on the tracks!
Yes, like is 600hp enough???
@@AndyL940 410,000 on my heavily modified 80 series and no engine mods. going strong, took me 3 months to write this comment
3" and 35's perfect for every patrol and cruiser
Does this including the GX470 (LC Prado 120 seeies)
Does this include FJ cruisers??
Both the GX470 and FJC are IFS so no, very different to LC and Patrol
I got a 2" and 35s in my patrol
Scratch that i now run 2" 37s on my GU ute, couldn't be happier 🤣
I am in Dallas Texas and I have an 06 Jeep Grand Cherokee WK/WH with a 2 inch OME lift. I think it actually rides much better with the lift on it. Great videos, keep up the good work.
Been waiting for this video all day!! Hello from Houston, TX, USA. I'm ordering my 3" lift for my fzj80 now. Thanks a bunch guys. Yall rock!!
Whoa, wait. You're from Texas and you don't have an 8" lift? Don't tell me you actually drive off-road!
3 inch is mint in a 80 series just did mine and drives better than stock> Although springs had probably done 450k km
@@christopherrowley7506 there's very little offroading in texas. Its all private land.
@@sebastiankvyat3915 ahh makes sense. I've heard that fact in the context of hunting (no public land, it's all pay to hunt ranches) but makes sense too then that it'd be pay to offroad. sucks
My fzj80r used to run 35s, 4" tough dog lift with dobinsons springs and big bore shocks..... Castor correction bushes, part time kit to solve to front tailshaft angle causing excessive wear.
Drove 1million times better than dad's 75 series with 2" lift.
If I was to do it again I'd try and make the 35s fit on a 2" lift tho I reckon
One of the best videos I have seen on explaining all of the necessary modifications needed for a proper lift.
Finally the video I’ve been waiting for
Best lifting video for offroad in RUclips. Great job!!
If I wanted to lift my truck 4", I'd just chuck the missus out...
😁Tubby fukers....Assemble✊🏽
Best comment of the day
Haha wife bad
Someone's in the doghouse 🤣
Haha funny. I’ll tell you what...fat girls are harder to kidnap. 😂
i'm running an Old Man Emu lift in a Suzuki Samurai. 1.5 inches, spring under. Love it! Handles really nice still, better ride than factory, and flexes nicely. That with some rock sliders, auto lockers front and rear, a set of bumpers and a winch. It will go places that I wouldn't dare take a spring over samurai. All that on 29" tires to keep from breaking axle shafts.
2" lift in the 80 series with King springs and it fits 35" tyres pretty easy.
Although measuring it up it's probably closer to 3".
The arb cheat buttons help it go most places.
"Tires"
@@leopardcubpupkryky6940 He was correct. "Tyres"
@@willisholtmann1392 we won the war. We make the decisions here. Tires it is
@@mikem5475 😂😂😂😂of course
Excellent. Finally someone documenting and explaining why solid front axles are superior to IFS.
6" and 40s get amongst it
Monster truck as a daily
G'Day All, I have fitted a 2in Suspension upgrade (TJM) on my 2019 D-Max running 265 AT's, I'm very pleased with the ride, before the upgrade and the ute was fitted with all the extras front and back the standard suspension was flat lined, since fitting great ride, cornering is better, and around better off road, Thanks for the upload can't wait for the next, cheers.
Need jock and his hilux in more videos
I would like to see Barney back as well with his Hilux.
This video has me re-thinking what I am going to do with my Jeep YK .. thanks for the knowledge guys.
8" gets all the Shiella's, I'm talking lift
cheeky lad
iddddaduncan you’d be surprised to see what some bloke have done with a little finger
@@johnc6466 LMAO 🍻
DDave Doesnt Stutter haha!
I'm on a 3.5in lift with 33in hybrid at/Mt tires. 2003 jeep wj , long arms , 4.10 gears, transfer Case clocked for additional 2 in of clearance, low profile tc cross member for additional 1.75 in of clearance, cut off radiator support and made a high clearance support for 2.1 in of extra clearance, heavy trimming of front and rear wheel wells and grind off pinch welds for more clearance, washer bottle relocation, gas tank lifted 11 inches for more clearance, cut out all rocker panels and weld in place 1x 4 in rectangular tube for additional 1.8 inches of side clearance, high clearance steering flip kit . I'm probably missing a few things I did for more clearance but that's what I can remember right now. Oh and all control arm mounts were cut of for more clearances after my double triangulated rear 4 link suspension and front 3 link was installed.
Summarize: independent suspension should not be lifted more than 2" - or it gets really expensive. Solid axle can be lifted to 4". But don't do it because it is expensive and makes the vehicle handle like poop. LOL
Good info Jocko, finally some mention of the legalities. Too many many people put large lifts in vehicles and call it good without proper engineering.
2" Dobinsons coils with Bilstein shocks, guard chop and hello 33s for the Discovery 2.
Nice..very nice.
Brilliant video as always! Don’t forget though ever inch you lift on a live axle vehicle, without castor correction it also shorten the wheel base.
"Are bigger lifts better?"
Answer: Buy a solid axel truck.
And what if you can't or don't want to buy a Solid axle truck
@@festivekamikaze then your gay
@@festivekamikaze Then you can’t handle bumbs... IFS sucks
@@noname-bt9ky IFS handles bumps better
@@taylorhickman84 We talking about bog boy bumbs
Running 3” lift on 31s on my ‘96 Jeep Cherokee. Rode horrible until I deleted the front sway bar. Now rides like a cloud and gets amazing flex offroad
I've got 4 inches and 35s on my 80... handles great and flexes like a mad dog offroad 👌
Handles great! Your dreaming
@@nzmarkb8713 what makes you say that?
Because lifting it 4 inches messes up your suspension geometry. It may possibly be better off road at low speed in some situations but it won’t handle or break like it did before on the road. If you lift your role centre there is no way it can handle better
@@nzmarkb8713 I never claimed it handled better, I said it handles great.
When done correctly, lifting 4 inches isn't going to hurt suspension geometry that much, it's a solid axle 80 series Landcruiser, not an IFS Prado shitbox
@@nzmarkb8713 I also have upgraded brakes so it pulls to a stop quite well too
ive been in the offroad empire for more than 30 years this is a great video and explains these topics wonderfully..i found one thing id like to point out jock said ( all these vehicles have 2inch lifts and go all over AU with no issues) now depending on how you look at it ..one might consider winching to be an issue and you guys winch alot usually from what i can see its because the vehicle got hung up on something. where as if you all ran lockers and a 4 inch lift and bigger tires it would not happen as much..but like was stated in your video its all about what you wanna do off road.keep the videos coming i love watching your guys adventures..me personally my off road truck is a 1983 f150 4x4 long wheelbase with a 4 inch suspension lift and 3 inch body lift rolling on 35's working dual fuel tanks lockers front and rear front bumper and winch mount made by me with a warn 12k winch among other things on board air a bit of water and on board welder.
That was an amazing video! Great information, well paced, and really well presented and produced. Great work :)
Running a 3" OME suspension and 33's on my 2004 Toyota Tacoma and I love it! Handles great on the road and amazing on the tracks!
Did you re-geared your Tacoma to run with those 33's? I heard 4.88 works well.
Get some GU’s in your videos please @4WD Action, id love to see more of the camera car nulon rig👌
Don't forget in Queensland, that legal 2 inch lift has to include any lift you get from taller tires.
If you put on springs that give you 2 inches lift, then put on bigger tires and end up being 2.5 inches taller, you're going to get defected for it eventually.
Excellent video! I now understand what I need to do to my 18 F150! I was gonna do the dumb thing and go for the 4 inch lift (which involves lots of cutting and cash) but now I can actually look for a 3 in setup that can do well, if not better! Keep the great vids coming👍
enjoy your '18 F-1 Prius
Excellent tutorial! Well done, really good visuals that explain things clearly, that us newbies wouldn’t get from just verbal descriptions. Thanks!
I’m a workshop owner that’s also a wheel alignment specialist
If you want to break cv joints , bend steering knuckles and wear out your steering rack on any independent front suspension vehicle simply raise your vehicle higher that 50 mm.
2:47 I live in the States here in Oregon, we don't have severe lift laws. My neighbor has a crew cab Powerstroke on 54" Swampers and sometimes daily drives it. Highway speeds at 65mph easy.
K Digiacomo lucky here in aus you get done for having 3” on 35’s if not blue plated
yep. i have a 1984 chevy k10 with 9" lift and 35" tires. it was my daily driver for 7 years. cruse at 70 mph (112.654kmh) no problem
Yea I drove a 76 f150 12 inch lift on 40s for about 3 years daily
@@MrMrsregor Oregon has a max speed limit of 65 🙄. Rediculous.
@@team_suv7778 I built two '79 F150s, love those! First one was on 38x15.5x15 radial swampers, second was on 36x16.5x15 Dick Cepec's on 15x12s. They must have stuck out 6" from the fenders, but it was a daily 33 miles to work then 33 back, both drove awesome! I never should have sold them. They jumped the dunes here really well around 50mph, what they were made for and never broke once. 👍
Your an absolute LEGEND BRO!! Thoroughly explained, planning on doing a 3 inch lift on a chevy 56 truck and putting 32 inch tyres. Hope all goes well
WHATS with THE audio SWITCHING between SHOUTING & whispering BETWEEN each SEGMENT?
One of the best setups I used to run was on my Jeep cj7, 3.5" lift,31"x11.5"-15" rims, 15"x8" wide with 3/4 center offset to the inside ( sorry I didn't use metric, I'm feeling lazy today), 4 speed trans,258 inline 6cyl. With a little torque modification and around 3:90 something rears or 4:11 ( I can't remember which). She went everywhere,drove great in city and hiway. Now I just have just under 4" custom lift and 33" rubber on my 85' dodge w-150.
I run 2” lift and 31’s. I’ve yet to be stopped on a trail because I’m not tall enough.
Haven’t been on rough enough trails then ay
@@achilleaustin could be! 🤣
@@marchanson2495 I run a 2” lift plus a 2” body lift, and I’m also on 31s. Much better though as I’ve got a way smaller car
@@achilleaustin me as well, I drive a 04 Suzuki Grand Vitara. I have considered just a small 1” body on mine, just to make a hair more clearance for sliders going on this summer.
good coverage of the issue though also very specific to Australia. The most common lift size on trucks in the US is the 6 inch lift, which usually allows 37inch tires with plenty of travel. We don't have your extensive engineering laws. It's also much cheaper here than in AUS. You can put a 6 inch lift on most full size trucks for under $3000 US, but these are also leaf spring vehicles in fact a lot convert from front coils to front leafs. Also travel isn't nearly as important as it is for AUS, lifts are mostly a vehicle for getting clearance for 35inch and up tires to deal with soft ground and snow.
Should've gone to Superior Engineering mate!
4wd action is clearly in bed with fulcrum lol.
😂😂
Most infomative vdo ever .... i waz confused abut lifting my SUV ... how much should i go 2 or 4 or 6 ... now i understnd d pros n cons of lifting ... thanks bro ...
Thanks Jocko that was excellent.
Bonjour, hi. From saint-hyacinthe, Québec, Canada. Hi have a 2004 toyota 4runner v8 (prado120) with a OME 2.5 inch hd coils lift and it rides like a charm. For better clearance i had a 1.5 inch bodylift. Lots of space for the 255/80r17 (33x10 inch). I Listen to every of your youtube videos. Brings a little bit of heat, joy and sun in this cold winter here !!!!
my n60 get me everywhere with 2 inch lift 32s and rear looker I wish I could sas it but not worth 8g+ to do so it works good as it is and good on road so just send it
I've got a n60 4runner and I'm thinking about doing a 2 inch lift and I think this is what I needed 😂💪🏾
Excellent video Jocko! I own a 2015 Ford F150 (Canadian) with a 3" lift. The lift kit I bought came with a heavier control arm with the angle changed to keep my CV's at or very near where they are from stock. The 3" kit was just under $150 more than a 2" kit was thus why I went with a little more, I figured $150 wasn't bad for an extra inch. But the 4", very expensive & whoever does it has to buy quite a few extras to make the IFS F150 steer, handle, etc., it's nuts!! And the kit itself is over $1000 more than a 2" lift kit is without getting a whole lot more. My kit came with heavier shocks, struts, the upper control arms & bits & pieces for brake lines and such. Anyway, that's why I only lifted my pickup 3", it was an affordable option ($800 in my case) & it gives me enough lift with the new rims & 33" tires I'm easily satisfied with it.
Didn't mention drop boxes?
I personally run full superior engineering 4" hyper flex kit with 7" shocks bump stops to suit. Drives beautiful on road and off road. They aren't race cars so don't drive it like one. You get what you pay for. And knowledge is power. Do you research.
Super handy visually seeing what happens with a lift in real time.
3 inch with 33s all day every day
I learned so much! Thank you
Im only lifting my truck a little less than 2 in. Just heavy duty leaf springs in the rear, then even it out in the front with new Bilstein shocks
@DDave Doesnt Stutter it's new to ppl like us in the USA that see a bunch of 6in lifted pick ups
Great vid, but needed a cooking segment in the middle with Gaz and Shauno pissfarting around drunk as usual
My sequoia is 2.25” front and 3.24” rear. No sway bar in the rear, solid axle in the rear, long travel socks with limit straps. Helps make up for some flex lost with the lower lift IFS. A locker in the rear makes it ver capable for overlanding.
Got a 4" lift in my ifs hilux for over 2 years, Heavy 4x4ing and long trips with next to no issues, 2" cost $990 3" is $1100 and the 4" was 1300 so when you said each inch is an extra $1000 is a bit over exaggerated
I think they were talking about doing it legally. Like getting it engineered, which is another couple of grand if you go 4"
@@carsella11 yep, 2 inch is legal here without engineering, after that you have engineering and approval ect all costs incurred.
From what I got from this video is 2" is best overall unless you rarely drive on the streets. 2" is cheaper, less aftermarket parts, and will still get you where you want to go.
Hello l9s I follow from Chile I ask you from the heart to put subtitles please greetings and thanks
Great video! - much needed, thank you! 35's on a 2" lift seems to work fine on the Nissan Patrol GU 2012. So far off-road, the wheels haven't scrapped body or guards. Has Tough Dog suspension.
2” lift and 37’s in my series 4 gu patrol, feels a lot better on 37’s than 35’s.
Luca how much guard chop😂
Zero dude, just set the bumps to suit to limit up travel and get correct offsets, radius arm spacers to push diff forward then let whatever scrubs wear out by itself, little bit of cutting on the flare and the inner protection shroud. Also have 50mm spacer in front spring to even out suspension which is temporary until I get a proper setup once all weight is sorted.
Luca fair enough every other patrol I’ve seen running 37’s either has the biggest loft or the biggest guard chop
@@_jayw_ I had one on 35's with 2 inch and 2 inch body lift, still rubbed and what a POS, currently dropping my zook back down to earth now.
this is really, really good. Extremely thorough but concise, the visuals are superb. I've been reading and watching on this topic for two years and I understand more about what goes on from the first half of this video than all the rest combined. I mean, there's a lot of good stuff by good guys out there but you boys nailed it.
I'm running 9 in lift with 38s on my bronco in the usa no problems no hassles from Jonny law
Suspension changes the entirety of how your vehicle preforms offroad... I just installed OME 886 up the front of my tacoma and its way too stiff!!!! it rides like crap compared to the old stock 3rd gen (sport!) coils. And thats on my 2nd gen! Probably some really great coils, I just applied them wrong. Down-sizing to 885's up front will soften my world! not to mention bringing it back down to the desired 2" over stock
Great video!
Laying in bed here in the US and i noticed the lack of leaf spring lift info
Leafs are over axle or under axle. With a seven leaf spring - it doesn't change the geometry - here in Australia.
@@stuartkcalvin i know how leaf springs work and the methods of doing lifts with them, but there are people out there that don't know and still would like more info themselves
@@hispeed1985 5x5 Roger
Great video folks. Has helped me make some decisions with regard to my new Ranger. Much appreciation from this Canadian.
Imagining living Australia and needing a permit to lift your “ute” lol
vehicle laws in Australia are f'ed up and bearucaricy at its finest. GVM upgrades, luxury vehicle tax... etc
I've Got a 2014 N70..I am running 2 inch lift both front and rear from OME...running 285/70r17 mud tyres...it drive so damn perfect out on the road and off-road 💯💯💯
these videos you do are insanly good and informative, explanations are so clear, keep it up !!
Yoooou don’t neeeed a sway baaaaar
what about when it comes to engineering?
@@wheelofadventure1716 disconnect it for off-road, no disadvantages. Hook it back up and you get standard onroad performance
Technically you dont even need suspension.
All manufacturers disagrees ;)
You guys are hilarious 😂
Best way to fix the panhard rods is to actually drop the towers so the rod sits relatively flat, that way even through travel the diff has bugger all movement
Drop pitman arm too. Keep steering and panhard rods parralel to each other and also parralel as possible to ground... no bump steer then
Stupidest lift I’ve seen. Jeep Cherokee on a 3” lift with 20” rims and low profile tyres. Here in Perth. Spent the rest of the day laughing my head off.
Stupidest I've seen is a ranger, 2" lift - flares - front and rear bars - heavy duty roof rack - snorkel etc. 20" wheels, 35 profile road tires and all on a 2wd hi-rider.
@@johnsullivan6709 🤣 could be a country driver.
I looked at a Tacoma at a dealership once. I was lifted,mud tires rock bars,lights ,nice bumpers and lots of accessories. I thought hey that’s not bad I look under it and the damn thing is 2 wheel drive,🤣
best visual presentation of how to understand 4x4 setups for beginners much appreciated mate cheers. thanks for sharing.
After watching this I gave up the idea of lifting, as the main priority is touring. The biggest tyres that fit and a good set of springs and shocks. That may give half an inch more clearance and some wheel travel... I reckon that is enough for the dirt roads and light off-road tracks?
Oh... and P.S. Love that technical stuff. Keep going guys! That is a great stuff as well!
Just fitted a Formula 4x4 kit to my vehicle and it’s made it so much better to drive. Can’t go past it for value.
I run a 2.5 inch OME on a 2018 Jeep JKU and 35 inch tires. I have had to ad a 2 inch spacer on top of the rear spring to help with sag, as it is pretty heavy when loaded. I works great, wife drives it to work 80 miles every day.
I have a quality 2" inch lift and 32's on my dual cab, handles and drives better than ever. Cheers for the tips.
Just done 2" lift on my 90 series after watching this with 32" at's and i can't be happier mate🍻
4.0" lift and 31" tires on a TJ, arms changed, unlokers for off-road and it feels very good, a lot of flex and I can drive fast in the road with out any problem
New Zealand 4x4 modifications are more relaxed than in Australia. I have a Jeep TJ on 35s with 3” lift and some body work so the tyres fit. All certified and legal over here.
People in the United States; "What is this engineering law you speak of?" We have no such legal or financial government restrictions. However your off-road commentary is on point. I wish more people would understand this. In America, most people think bigger is better, i.e. 6 (15.24cm), 7 (17.78cm) and 8 (20.32cm) inch lifts are the way to go. Usually this is not even a suspension but a body lift. They get ground clearance and option for bigger tires (tyres), but run low grade suspension components. Don't get me wrong, we have a solid 4x4, off-roading and overlanding community that know better, we're just out numbered by the ignorant. What can I say, thanks for the video.
I feel there is so much missing with Live Axle information. They only demonstrated a Radius arm solid axle style. A 4-link helps alleviate a lot of those issues, and is worth mentioning. Coil vs Leaf live axles, etc, etc...
i put a 2" sus lift in my suzuki grand vitara.
cost around $560 aud, it was a lovells kit.(also did 2" body lift after)
it was a straight slip in/bolt up kit so no modding required.
i also checked available droop/flex before a brake line was in trouble and put in 2" shock blocks for the rear. so now full flex, no brake line risk and no rub in the guards.
she is sitting on 31's and looks the real deal off road. did Montezuma falls a few weeks ago and didn't have to touch a strap or winch.
next will be a removable winch and a locker.
but im definitely an IFS man. i cover 98% of my kms on the pavement and tassie is not well known for straight or good roads XD
D40 Navara 2” lift with 33” tyres. Goes everywhere and makes it look easy, so can’t complain
I came up w/ the split in "1/2" spring or if air bag inside or such. The cut is about 30 degs or so & it attaches to 2 slide plates So top of spring or progressive spring doesn't hve to sit directly over the lower spring. It allows the 2 plates w/grove slip joint to slide independent but still work together. This helps w/braking where nose or front goes down,& then it resets normal geometry. Not being directly over each means it can b even more progressive not just in spring spacing but the actual size of the spring. Truly quality soft ride even on big trucks unloaded. If u hit a curb or rock again the spring helps NOW front to back as well as just up & down.
Absolutely the best suspension video I’ve seen. Great info and very well delivered. Nice work.
Thanks boys that's the video I've been waiting for I'm running a 2inch lift and 35s my 79 it's a good ride but over year the previous owner has had some big weight on it and has made it sag so now I'm going to a 3inch lift to clear the 35s and keep the rd driving at it's best
I have fox shocks 2.5" lift with 33s on my 4 runner it does everything I need
Like go to the mall and park on a curb?