Hey legends - with everything that's going in the world right now with COVID-19 - we want to be the place where you can escape the news, escape the crisis and enjoy the best 4WDing and camping content on the internet. We're going to continue bringing you insane weekly content, plus we have some BIG, BIG things in the pipeline for the next couple of months. To catch all our videos make sure you SUBSCRIBE and click the bell to get notifications!
Would have been 2 sets of tyre changes. So the road, gravel, mud and rocks with one set then change tyres and do them again (they are all close to each other); then with the second set still on drive to Bribie Island and do the first test, do a tyre change to the originals and do the second test. Done. Or start are the beach first etc. Also a few km driving between the first 4 tests is much less effort than changing the tyres multiple times.
Something I want to bring up: the axle height is a very valid point about tire size, but along with that, you have to consider that the larger the tire gets the less distance it will fall into a crevice. so say you have a dip created by two rocks, a smaller tire will fall into the bottom of the dip more where larger may not sink to the bottom to begin with. that with the extra axle clearance makes every inch of diameter have a compounding effect of clearance. appreciate the video dude!
Yep, I agree with most of the video. I've run stock, 33s, 35, 33s, 31s and I'm most happy with the current skinny 31s. The most noticeable difference, ride quality. The 35s were incredibly rough forcing me to go much slower than the 33s, the stock tires better yet, but the best ride, easiest to drive are the 7.50R16s I currently have. Braking is likely better too but the way I drive I rarely touch the brakes unless I'm actually stopping. Maybe the 35s would take me more places if I felt the need, but I've never smaller tires held me back. For me, on road, off road, handling, ride, comfort, capability, I prefer the smaller tire. The day I installed 35s I knew what a silly mistake that was, and when a local kid was gushing over them, we struck a deal and traded my 35s and lift for his 33s.
tbh as a guide, more than 2 inches of tyre on big tread, and 2 /3 inched of lift depending on the vehicle size... they are the sweet spots for most people. Obviously the big tyres and clearance have their place, but mainly for people that live close to the areas they off road, and that spend most of their time in that vehicle in the dirt. Modifying a car into those higher specs but spending 99% of your time on the highway is the dumbest thing
I run 33's on my Jeep CJ7 with a modest lift (4") and shackle reversals and it seems to get me pretty much everywhere I want to go, but it is a wonky tire - 33x12.5x16 ! Can't find em anymore, if I go skinnies I might go taller, but it comes down to wheel placement, picking my lines, and yeah, some stuff is just beyond my fun all rounder. I think that @240sxRule is generalizing a bit, there is an awful lot terrain on North and South America!
I am currently running the 31" tires that came with my crew cab pickup. I plan to keep running at that size in order to keep towing performance up (I tow), fuel economy up, lifetime drivetrain wear down, and the 47:1 crawl ratio that came with the vehicle. I still remember driving around on 31 inch tires back when I was in high school. They were considered massive back then... but small/stock today. My 31" tires have been nothing less than awesome in deep sand... even climbing hills/dunes out on the outer banks here in North Carolina.
Went thru all these tire sizes. I love how the 35s look, can't fault its performance too...31s makes your ute look liked it skipped leg day, I'd go for the 33s for the best of both worlds
LR Disco 2 stock is 29.1"... I guess 31" with no lift should still be better? Al, thing cinsidered. Width is another issue, stock is 255, but 245 could be fit, for example...
Awesome video! One of the most in depth comparisons I've seen. I would have loved to see a 33 or 34" pizza cutter (narrow and tall) and see how that stacks up in the tests as well!
Guys, love to watch the 4wd adventures, however these real life reviews/analysis you've been doing are next level. So much info and completely unbiased. Well done.
Hi Shauno, keep rolling out the superb vids 👍 I drive a 2012 Hilux with 2” pedders suspension lift front and rear and 33” BF All Terrain on steel wheels. These 2 mods completely transformed the pickups off road ability! Handling on road wasn’t affected too much if anything cornering was slightly better due to stiffer springs. Pickup felt slightly down in power from the larger tyres but this was easily corrected with a RaceChip tuning box taking it to 220 hp and around 500 nm of torque. I would agree with your comment about 33” being the maximum doable size on a modern dual cab pickup. I wanted 35s at the start but came to the conclusion that it wasn’t going to be feasible financially and otherwise - especially for a vehicle that spends most of its life on the tarmac. All the best, Callum
Remember the days before 35"s were on every second forby? The days when 31"s and stock wheels went everywhere because the tracks weren't all carved up!
You're spot on there mate, another amusing thing I found in my Jeep XJ was because most trucks have the diff on the right I was forever dragging my leftie diff.
@@Flozman1982 go ahead and bury your head in the sand and pretend that the trails arent being eroded. you dont know what you are talking about and you proved it in 1 comment
I'm getting a 3" lift on my 2015 Toyota 4Runner, and upsizing the tires to 33's. I cannot wait to try out the new configuration! Your video was VERY informative and presented in a manner that was straightforward and easy to understand. Frankly it was reassuring! Thanks for providing us all with information that is useful and applicable! Cheers Shauno!
I just picked up a 2021 Toyota 4RUNNER. Still stock all around. Your information made my mind up between the 33 and 35. 33 it is for me. Thank you guys! I love you!
This video was absolutely superlative and informative on the highest level. I learned a lot from you. And I appreciate you actually changing those tires during the demonstration. Outstanding!
well that tire test just saved me alot of money since i was about to buy 35's... 33 vs 35 is a huuuge jump in exspense on a stock rig and not reaally worth the exspense. well done vid! :D
I run a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. Had 35s, now on 33s. I don't think your brake test was very accurate because it appears you were gauging your speed by the speedometer. You were going a lot faster with the 35s than the shorter tires. Faster speed makes a big difference in stopping distance. Great to see a real world comparison. Lots of tire changing going on behind the scenes.
Over here in the U.S., I run 31s on my truck with a 2 inch lift to give me room for flex and I follow jeep wranglers around alot of trails they say I need 33s or 35s for. It's all about line choice and a good spotter. Though I will admit I do have some difficulty on some obstacles. And I only have a limited slip in the rear
@@jasonswift7098 I have a friend who lives here in the US state I live in who was born and raised in Sydney and has said straight to my face that the terrain we have here is extremely similar to Australias. But it doesn't matter where you are or the vehicles, principal is the same. If you make poor line judgement and don't know how to read the terrain or don't have a good spotter your S.O.L.
2005 GU Patrol 5sp manual 4.2 diesel turbo inter cooled stage 1 tuned (AG Diesel) 3inch stainless exhaust from turbo back Nissan snorkel 12000lb Winch 2in Koni heavy duty long travel suspension lift (Guest 4WD) running 35in bf goodrich mud terrain. Plenty of tire clearance on the back front mud flaps needed to be removed as they where rubbing there, also a camber kit was needed and a speedo kit but i just got used to the speedo being 10% off. Apart from that over the 10 years i owed it it went everywhere, toed everything sat on 100klm very comfortably (even full of mud after a trip) was economical handled extremely well for a truck and sold it 3 years ago for about the same money i bought it. Reliability was never an issue with this tire setup also to me it looked much more suited with the 35s. Great 4wd adventure show Guys! Congratulations :)
I have a 2" lifted 2014 Patrol. I ran 33's BFG AT's on steels for some time, and found them to be hard to balance, caused the dreaded "wobbles & shakes", and very "power sapping". Went back to the standard alloys and 31" tryes, no "wobbles & shakes", and plenty more power. With a bit more careful wheel placement off-road, it still gets me where in want to go, and keeps up with the bigger tyre trucks. I will be sticking with 31" tyres for the foreseeable future, for the benefits I've mentioned, plus the cost savings.
bigger tires are indeed much harder to balance with conventional methods. The best way to balance larger tires is to NOT use conventional wheel weights. Instead use BALANCE BEADS. They are small beads that go inside the tire kind of like putting sand inside the tire but the beads do not degrade and stay the same size and shape. They balance the tire dynamically. Conventional tire balancing is a static balance and less effective on large tires. Google it!!
Thanks to Shaun & all his buddies down under for all the super awesome off-road vids & recommendations. I have a couple '97 Jeep XJs. One has a 3.5" lift on 31" tires the other 4.5" lift on 33" tires. Both are running KO2s. Both use to be 10.5 wide however I've been experimenting with 12.5" wide 33's. I know, skinnier is generally 'better' however they do not look nearly as cool on the streets ...🤣 Anyhow, southern British Columbia, Canada is home for me. Wet, snow, mud, sand, rock, sasquatch ... yup, we get the whole 4 seasons worth available in most conditions to choose from. As Shauno's video demonstrates there are times when my 33s offer a smoother experience compared to the 31s & times when the 31s ride allows more of a consistent momentum due to take off and less resistance. As a footnote, I have experienced only marginal difference between the 10.5 & 12.5 width during 90% of my type of activities (exploring deactivated forestry roads & historic travel corridors). Sometimes the 12's are a tad nicer. Other situations it's the 10's that seem tighter. Thinner in snow for sure is better however a set of chains fairly quells that difference. Getting from A to B depends heavily upon the driver & spotter experiences. Weather and tools such as a come along, winch, or locker(s) are also to be considered. As Shaun puts it, you need to seriously compare the costs and decide your overall style. Now consider that bigger tires are also heavier to manhandle. My 31's are way nicer to change out than my 33's plus I don't require a higher lifting jack (although that's also due to the slightly higher lift on the one). As well, carrying a spare is much more accommodating room wise & weight wise. Consider that if you are going to carry one on your roof. Even the cost per tire & per rim is less with the smaller option that can still get you there & back again. I regeared the XJ with the 33's to 410 to still keep up on the highway and installed an ARB air locker in the rear making it way more of an expense than its twin 97XJ (both are red even)🌶🌶. Except for the locker option, I do not feel that my slightly taller XJ with the 33s really out does the other with its 31s Both go to the same places generally. The locker helps the one while a winch currently helps the other when needed. My advice, especially to those of you over 50 like me or those even younger with back problems, knee problems, etc. and of course anyone keeping the budget in check, is to go with 31's on a lighter duty vehicle. 31's will work great without regearing and doing any extensive body modifications. 33's can run without re-gearing as well however big long hills, thick mud, and any real payload will drag your momentum noticeably. I drove for 2 weeks like that just to try it. No problem around town or on the smaller hills but the 33s needed help on our Coquihalla Highway. Airing down, the 10.5 width has a gripping advantage over 12.5 due to a reduced surface contact shearing profile. Consider the cost of a winch and/or a locker(s) rather than the cost regearing and the extra lift costs that generally accompany the 35's plan.
I have a Jeep ZJ and I think I'm going to go w a 2 inch lift and 31s. It's my daily driver that sees dirt and mud trails on my days off. No rock crawling, again because it's my daily and I can't afford to do damage to my rig. I would like 33s but I have a tight budget. Thanks for adding your experience and knowledge it's a great addition to this video.
The best trie test I’ve seen. Great job! I have Patagonia 33x12.50x15’s on my 97’ Jeep TJ. I have a 2.5 4cyl. 5 speed Manual . I have a 2’”suspension lift. SteinJager cross over steering. Rancho RS500 shocks. Rough country upper and lower control arms. Pacer aluminum wheels. I will be changing the gearing to 4.56 in both diffs. (Stock is 4.10) I’ll be adding a lunchbox locker to the Dana 30 up front and an Auburn limited slip to the Dana 35 in back. The engine definitely suffers from power loss due to the tire size (stock is 29”). And a 5mph difference in the speedometer. Of course ground clearance and off road ability has improved significantly!
Great comprehensive video on tire sizes. My own experience in an 02 Mitsubishi montero has been different but good. Street type tires did well on road light trails and snow. Mud terrain work fantastic in deep muddy bogs up to waist deep. Now I have all terrain tires that in 3 inches of mud slide everywhere and they will get stuck pretty quickly. Mud terrain I was confident stopping in middle of bogs knowing it always got out. Now I won't stop with the all terrain. They work fine on road but do excel in rock climbing and dry off roading. Keep up your great videos.
Great content, I’m running a BFG KO2 285/70/17 on a 4th gen 4Runner along with a OME 3” lift and Total Chaos upper and lower control arms. Definitely the right combo for my rig. Performs great off road and is very comfortable as a daily driver
What jeep model? Ive got 285s on my stock 09 2dr rubicon and at full flex ive got room to spare. Granted newer jeeps can fit larger tires stock, which ill ait is a bit annoying since a jl can fit 35 np but I can't. Lol
My new JL Rubicon came with 33's. I am weary to go to 35's because I bought one of only 2 manual trans rubicons in Southern Calif. The manual is much more sensitive to tire size and the automatic is way more forgiving. I have seen guys go to 35's with the manual trans and they are saying the jeep is really a dog performance wise with 35's on on a jeep with 4:10 gears
Good comprehensive video! The only thing that could make it even more complete is a skinny vs floatation size, for exaple 255/85 to 285/75 comparison. Both 33', but long and narrow contact patch versus wide and a bit shorter.
I went from 265/70/17s (31.7 in) to 255/80/17s (33.1 in) on my Tacoma (2nd gen) which already had a two inch lift. The only thing I had to trim was a wee bit of plastic on the very bottom of the fender flares. I've driven many many miles in sand (river bottom sand not beach sand) without issues. Definitely better on the corrugations and the extra clearance is nice. My truck is kinda heavy so I re-geared as well. If it wasn't kitted out for long distance travel re-gearing would be optional IMO.
32” 265/75/17 are perfect for D40 Navara with 2” lift. Spare just fits in, 10mm from scrubbing, speedo matches GPS & better mileage. Also reduces odometer reading better for resale. Don’t notice any power loss with the 550.
Great video guys. If you spend 90 plus percent of your time on paved or flat dirt roads stick with stock. Companies spend millions on R&D to provide the best and safest ride within a certain scope. Like this video showed, going up in diameter increased your breaking distance which could be the difference between a fun day out or going to a funeral. But regardless, if you change your tyre diameter, your speedo will be out so unless you like collecting fines need that calibrated. Also gearing, if you're making your engine work harder for the same speed, means more wear and tear on the engine. Also more weight and resistance means more fuel consumption.
@@rightyouareken7587 285. Had the same setup on Toyota’s for years carry about 300lbs all the time and tow about 2500lbs about 20% of the time. Drives well on the road, tows through the mud and snow and so far no issues in light sand. Don’t have much deep sand where I am. Biltstien shocksand a diff breather too.
This is every reason why I love my 33s and will probably never move up in size. They are the hatchet or utility knife of tire sizes; Jacq of all trades, master of none.
GREAT REVIEW VERY WELL MADE. THANK YOU. I DRIVE TOYOTA TACOMA OFFROAD ( CANADA) . I RUN 265/75R16.... THIS IS CLOSE TO 32 INCH. AND I PROBABLY CHANGE ( WHEN THE 265/75 ARE USE) FOR THE 235/85R16 THIS IS 32INCH TO BUT I LIT BITE LESS LARGE, SO FOR ME JUST BETTER IN SNOW AND RAIN. AND I DO A LOT OF BACKCOUNTRY ROAD, FIRE ROAD , GRAVEL ROAD... NO ROCK OR MUD... AND WE HAVE NO BEACH TO GO..... G' DAY MATE 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I had a 1975 GMC pickup that started out with 31’s, and then I switched to 33’s. It was a heavy duty 1/2 ton, so it set a little higher and I didn’t have to modify it to run the 33’s. They worked real well on that truck over a lot of different terrain types. Those were on 15 inch wheels. Now I have a 2020 Chevy Silverado 1500 LTZ Z71 Texas Edition that came with 33’s on 20 inch wheels. Then and now my objective was exploring rather than trying to test the vehicle with the most difficult terrain possible, so I think I will be good with the 33’s on my new truck. Thank you for the informative comparison.
Something I don't think was taken into account on the braking test was that if you were basing the initial speed off the speedometer you would actually be going a little faster with each increase in tire size. 60 on the speedometer with 35s is considerable faster than 60 on the speedometer with 31s. Its about 8 mph different
I run 35”s on my Chevy Suburban with a 7” diff drop lift kit. I had to NorCal mod my front fenders and trim the bumper but, it now rides and wheels like a dream.
That was a great vid, when I started 4wding 44 years ago, you had to go through all of those mistakes to learn what I know today, there was no youtube and the information was sparse and not the variety of products, ARB was a tiny little factory in heatherdale near ringwood vic, but 4wding was a great adventure. I have a troopcarrier ex britz hi top, it has a 2" lift, love the car, I have put 33"/10.5-15s on it, I take it all over the high country in victoria, wonnangatta etc, the beaches in queensland and the outback I love the tyres, nothing has stopped them yet, and they look good on the hi top. keep up the good work fellas
I am running 31 on a land rover discovery one with a 2 inch lift. We are also based in south Wales in the uk so we have very different driving conditions here. Seems to work well.
Same here! I run 7.5x16 and it seems like they were made for the discovery. They tuck right into the wheel wells and it flexes out no problem. I just wish I had a 300Tdi... cheers mate!
31's can get you to 99% of the places the big lift & big tyre crew can go. It's only the super hardcore offroad that big tyres can really help. The rest of the time it comes down to how talented the monkey behind the steering wheel is.
For our 1999 Jeep Wrangler, ended up with 33x12.5 Mickey Thompson Baja Claws on 15" stock rims. Mods to the Jeep were 1.25" spacer plates behind the rims (to keep the tire clearance to the inside the same) and to trim the rubber fender extensions....no lift. We don't do hard-care climbing, just some simple mud and snow stuff. These have some "howl" on the highway, don't care. They have great traction for what we do, and look good.
I am running 33 KO2 on my modified 2 inch clearance 2003 4runner v-8 with locking transfer case… hwy speed easy more 100+per hour smooth trail/small creek/snow…not extreme trail… we are very satisfied with my second set of 33-KO2 …excellent video…Samy
I've got a 2016 Pajero and about as big as I can go in the 31s. I do all my real fun 4wd in winter in the wet and mud solo. I've found not having bigger tyres don't stop you. They force you to drive smarter and read the track better.
I'm happily running 33's on my Chevy Avalanche. Re-gearing and body/suspension mods would be a must if I wanted to run 35s. If I were a more aggressive overlander I would go all in with a live axle conversion up front, re-geared rear, 2" body lift and maybe a duramax conversion... and maybe a third axle... and possibly tank treads... and then........
I went with 33" KO2 on my 1998 LX470 (100 Series). One of the things not mentioned in the review is "availability" of your chosen tire size. Here in the US, 275/70/18 can be found almost anywhere. If I were running a 34 (295/70/18) or 35, my options when remote would seriously hampered. Not so much of a big deal in populated areas. But, when I hit the back country in CO, UT, NM and TX, you're only near very small communities that might have one tire shop. They typically have very limited inventory. But, 275/70/18 is almost always available (even if it's a different brand). Of course, this would take a LOT to have to go that route as I carry 2 spares on the rig and have the exact same tire/wheel combo on my trailer (so effectively up to 4 spares in an absolute emergency) plus an ARB tire repair kit. Definitely spot on in terms of referencing costs to run bigger tires. Not only the initial costs to outfit the rig properly (re-gearing being just one of the many things that would be necessary along with bigger brakes), but the ongoing maintenance costs can be considerable. With greater mass and rotational weight, the IFS on a 100 will chew through CV axles and wheel bearings. Couple buddies of mine run 35s on their 100s and they destroy parts doing the same overlanding I do on my 33s. Most of them are now downsizing back to 33 because ongoing costs were getting out of hand. CV axles aren't cheap ($400 per from Toyota...remans are junk) and bearings aren't exactly cheap either. Lastly, their front diffs are putting up with way more stress as well. The earlier 100s had 2 pinion front diffs vs the later models 4 pinions. Seen plenty of 35 shod 100s grenade their 2 pinion front diffs. Heck, saw one grenade an ARB locker equipped front diff. 33" is the perfect sweetspot for IFS IMO. Excellent torture test done there. I follow everything you Aussies do to the letter. Good on ya for everything y'all do and all the information y'all provide us. Keep on and we'll keep on following :)
Thanks sharing your experience. I've always said anything above 33 on an IFS is asking for problems. Also anything above a 35 on the street is asking for problems.
33" it is. I have a Ford F-250 and I do light off-roading but also a lot of pavement commuting. I know a lot of effort went into making this video and I sincerely thank you.
Awesome test with the different tyres in different scenarios 👍🏻 I have All Terrain 31s on my 95 Prado as the daily setup, but for any off-road trip I have another set of Cooper's 33 mud tyres which go very well.. think 33s are in general, the best of both worlds..
It's difficult to explain but (I'm American-Asian) it seems like you Aussies are a better version of Americans! And the vehicles you guys have are the envy of us. Keep up the good content and great Aus vibes!
I think 33’s is a good all arounder for on and offroad. Also makes a difference if your rig is heavy or lighter. Ive seen light rigs getting far on a smaller tire.
I have a LC 200 with a 3 in lift, gvm upgrade and run 295/70/17 " 33' " toyo R/T open county, had 35's but too laggy on take off, the 33's are mint and work so much better with the transmission lock up kit
Very well done great job!! I run 33s on my Xterra with a 2" suspension lift. they easily fit. Little trim on the plastic front bumper (1/2 inch or so on the lower corner and no rubbing) Most can fit a 33 stock with a melt mod (melting the inner plastic back so it doesnt rub but it still can a little on the front bumper. Some put a 1 1/2-2" wheel spacer. The 33s work great for me. 35s can fit with 2 inch lift with 2 inch body lift, you really should re-gear. Xterras can also have a titan swap on the engine and suspension parts. Gets more articulation and changes things quite a bit.
I’m thinking of trying 33’s on my frontier. Thinking I’ll need a minor lift but not sure. I have a 2023 pro 4x and the stock 31’s are ok…just think it needs a little more
@@justaname109 I would kissy do a 2” lift. 33s will be fine with that. Without lift you have to make sure they aren’t too wide and might need to do a melt mod (inner fender heat and push backwards) but make sure a lift doesn’t void any warranty!
I run a 2008 LMM Duramax crew cab 4x4. Deleted and EFI Live tuned with supporting mods. Has a upper control arm leveling kit with 33 inch tires. My other truck is a surplus military Humvee HMMWV M998 from 1988 with the 6.5 V8 diesel non-turbo. It is all military original condition with 6k miles on it, and it is in perfect condition as well. It uses 37in tires with run flat donuts inside the tires on the steel military split rims.
Here in the USA, I’m running 33”s on my ‘95 F150. I also changed the diff ratio from factory 3.55 to 4.56. It is a good match for the truck, road performance is still good, great off-road. Of course it’s not a rock crawler, I just wanted something capable off road that is also still OK for long trips down the highway. I feel like I accomplished that. It did great climbing the sand dunes in Sand Hollow State Park in Hurricane Utah. I was very pleased. FYI, the factory tyre size was 28.9” (235/75R15). Fuel economy between Phoenix and San Diego was 15 mpg (15.68L/100km). Not great, but it was not much better with stock tyres.
Keeping the 31” and 2” lift on my LC 70 Prado. It wasn’t designed for hardcore off-roading. The occasional over landing though... Great video! A lot of good information was put out and I learned a bit. Thank you!
Awesome video...love the channel...i run the stock size 33" on my 2019 Rubicon 4 door..i will run them until i start to feel like i need more clearance but for now they work great...the lockers i feel are more important for what i do as they have saved me a few times :)...if it was me i would tell people to get 4 way lockers before a big lift and big tires...have a great summer of 2021 all!!
Great content. I have a 1983 FJ60 with stock drivetrain. I intended to do overlanding: beach and ranch use. I fitted 33x10.5x15 KM3s. Changes to vehicle were: --2.5" OME Heavy Lift --Re-gear according to chart I also overhauled both diffs and Front/Rear ARB air lockers. No spacers or sheetmetal needed. --
Nice video, I liked seeing real-world comparison of the tire sizes. ;} I'd like to go 35", but for my 2019 Ford Ranger XLT I'll stick with 33"... my mechanic had to do quite a bit of modifying to get the 33" tires to fit with a 3.5" Icon Stage 2 suspension lift. I use Dick Cepek Trail Country tires that are 285/75-16 and American Racing Baja 16" wheels (wheels fit over the brakes without modification), and they were very good for me in the snow here in Susanville, CA. Liked them on the road, liked them off road the few chances I had before my XL got trashed in a head on. (Cue the Han Solo, "It wasn't my fault!") The XLT I have now I'm going to go with an ARB Summit bumper/grille instead of an Aries brush guard, and BDS 3.5" Stage 2 (maybe 3) suspension lift kit with steel UCA's (I have another 2019 Ranger but its a late year model and I can't put on billet aluminum UCA's like I did with the XL). -Thomas Stevens😎
Shauno, I was feeling so happy for choosing 33s for my fzj80 after hearing all your tips & it all made sense. And then you showed Sooty at the end, everything went blank in my head and I was like "where is my 4" lift and 35s" hahaha...
05 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (LJ), on 33x12.5R15x10", BFG KM3s for daily driving on streets and working in sand and mud in Florida's cattle and citrus country. Modifications = Metal Cloak high rise fenders/flares with no lift. Retained full articulation with no rubbing and no change in alignment specs. Added a front winch and needed more capable cargo and towing capacity. Installed OME springs and shocks for 2.5" of lift. Greatly improved ride empty and loaded. Still no change in alignment specs. Stock Dana 410 diff handled the increase with no problems, 4 mph decrease on the speedo readings. Not worth changing the speedo gear. Engine, transmission and suspension still FACTORY STOCK! Low CG and simple.
You guys make me want to go out to Australia just to watch y'all offroad. Always good attitudes, provide exciting content, and have a blast! Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!
Stock wrangler JK 2018 sticker said 18 city/21hwy with 255/75r17's a 32" tire, I run 315/70r17 basically 34.5" tire and get 15 mpg on avg , my gear ratio is still stock 3.21, wanting a gear swap to 4.11 but figure it'll bring down the mpg even more, my buddy runs 33" tires and says he gets 20 mpg in the highway
I drive a 10lb Land Rover Defender 110 with 4.75" BFG Krawlers ;P Joking aside, your videos very much apply to scale R/C trucks as well and I like watching them not only to enjoy full-scale 4WD, but also for inspiration for my scale rig!
Great tyre review. I fitted 37,s to my Iveco 4x4 and it feels good. The Speedo is running 3km slow rather than 8km optimistic. Clearance and approach/departure angles excellent. Better rpm on road and with the 24speed g/box plus diff locks as standard it puts a grin on my face every time I drive.
FJ Cruiser, sticking with 31's as it's my daily driver as well as I mostly do vic high country stuff that really needs more gearing and less clearance.
Run 33s on my Disco (3 inch lift) and i have no problem going most places. Wife runs 32s (2 inch lift IFS front) on her Jackaroo and she goes almost everywhere i go!! Mates with pooies and land cruisers have 35s. I have to pull them out as often as they pull me out. Choosing your path, momentum, pressures etc are far more important that tyre sizes.
Really good point. Having bigger tyres is pointless if you have them at wrong pressures etc. But when used correctly assist you getting you further off-road
Greetings from Southern California! I got a Prado variant aka Lexus GX460 here. Running 33” on VTX Offroad 17x9 zero offset wheels riding on Dobinsons 2.5” lift. This really is the sweet spot. Plenty of power with the 4.6 V8 we get over here
The Lexus LX series is a land cruiser with a Lexus badge and a little more luxury items you can get in Canada. If you're willing to go through the hassle, you can try to import a North American spec Land cruiser from the states or some of the older ones from Japan or Australia. I'm pretty sure you guys have a 15 year age requirement for import from outside the continent but you can get something newer from the US or Mexico.
It might be 15 years old for all imports though, I'm not 100% on that. Down here we have a 25 year age requirement from outside North America but I know we can get newer stuff from Canada. Reason why I know that is because people will try to use that as a loophole to get 15 year old cars in the states by importing it to Canada and then importing it again into the US lol. It's basically double the price, hassle and paperwork though.
@@c4onmylip thanks. I know about the 15 year law so that's one possibility. I've seen awesome Lexuses modded for overlanding as well, so that might be an alternative but nothing like the LC 70 series.
@@c4onmylip its not the same, they have more problems and only comes with a petrol engine and lets face it a petrol landcruiser is crap. no one bus them here everyone prefer the longevity of the diesel and utres are just so practical
Hey, man. You did an extraordinary job with this video. Thanks a lot for sharing. This is by far the most interesting and complete test about the change of tyre size I've seen yet. Thanks for all this work with changing the tires in the midlle of the bush. Looking forward to seeing more tests.
I have a GU with 2" lift on 33s (legal height in Vic) and recently added a 6.5 Chev. Had to take the mud flaps off the front to be able to steer it. What kind of fuel consumption numbers are you running?
Perfect video, thank you! I've got a reservation on a new Ford Bronco and trying to decide what version to get with what specs. Black Diamond comes with 31.6" AT 265/70R17. I like the power and road characteristics those tires will give, but can't stop thinking about bigger tire options. Sasquatch package come with 315/70R17 34.6" tires. I was thinking to go in between and get 33" Goodrich TA KO2s. Still undecided, but your video really cleared up a lot for me! Many folks are opting for the Sasquatch package with the smaller 2.3L engine and say it's got plenty of power. After watching your video, it seems rather obvious that it wouldn't be too good to run the 35" tires without also opting for the more powerful 2.7L. Thanks again!
Great video, man. I've never seen a test like this. We all know that bigger tires will change things, but seeing the numbers in test form is pretty sobering.
Gaining an inch or two of clearance is not worth loss of handling, braking, wear on parts, horsepower loss and extra cost involved. There will always be a bigger hole. Buy a good winch. Cheers from Indiana.
@Southern Fun this is just untrue. Bigger tires = bigger tire, thats it. I can do more with my 32s and lockers than I could with 33s and open diffs. Bigger tires without proper gearing and clearance and you have not really gained much.
Hey legends - with everything that's going in the world right now with COVID-19 - we want to be the place where you can escape the news, escape the crisis and enjoy the best 4WDing and camping content on the internet. We're going to continue bringing you insane weekly content, plus we have some BIG, BIG things in the pipeline for the next couple of months. To catch all our videos make sure you SUBSCRIBE and click the bell to get notifications!
Anything in WA?
Thank you for everything that you've brought all of us! Y'all stay healthy, stay happy and stay safe!
Legends 🙏🙌👏
I went down and met you guys like 10 -15 minutes ago
4WD Action really good vid guys. Been trying to weigh up 34’s or 35’s for my y 62. Very helpful and informative .
Just imagine the amount of tire changing this video needed. Respect mate ❤️
Right?!Thats what I wrote to them that this was maximum effort and commitment for sure
It's called editing. Only one tyre change and 2 laps of everything.
@@FAB7362 Yeah? You think all three biomes are right next to each other? lmao
Would have been 2 sets of tyre changes. So the road, gravel, mud and rocks with one set then change tyres and do them again (they are all close to each other); then with the second set still on drive to Bribie Island and do the first test, do a tyre change to the originals and do the second test. Done. Or start are the beach first etc.
Also a few km driving between the first 4 tests is much less effort than changing the tyres multiple times.
3
Something I want to bring up: the axle height is a very valid point about tire size, but along with that, you have to consider that the larger the tire gets the less distance it will fall into a crevice. so say you have a dip created by two rocks, a smaller tire will fall into the bottom of the dip more where larger may not sink to the bottom to begin with. that with the extra axle clearance makes every inch of diameter have a compounding effect of clearance. appreciate the video dude!
Yep, I agree with most of the video. I've run stock, 33s, 35, 33s, 31s and I'm most happy with the current skinny 31s. The most noticeable difference, ride quality. The 35s were incredibly rough forcing me to go much slower than the 33s, the stock tires better yet, but the best ride, easiest to drive are the 7.50R16s I currently have. Braking is likely better too but the way I drive I rarely touch the brakes unless I'm actually stopping.
Maybe the 35s would take me more places if I felt the need, but I've never smaller tires held me back. For me, on road, off road, handling, ride, comfort, capability, I prefer the smaller tire. The day I installed 35s I knew what a silly mistake that was, and when a local kid was gushing over them, we struck a deal and traded my 35s and lift for his 33s.
Totally agree. I ran 35's years ago because, you know, everyone else was. Big mistake. After a couple of months went back to 33's.
tbh as a guide, more than 2 inches of tyre on big tread, and 2 /3 inched of lift depending on the vehicle size... they are the sweet spots for most people. Obviously the big tyres and clearance have their place, but mainly for people that live close to the areas they off road, and that spend most of their time in that vehicle in the dirt. Modifying a car into those higher specs but spending 99% of your time on the highway is the dumbest thing
There was so much work involved in making this video. Incredible review, thank you! 😎👍
33” seemingly is the best all rounder for 90% of drivers.
35 is minimum in North and South America
@@240sxRule, There's plenty of places you can get to with 33s and a locker in North America, just make sure you've got skid plates too. ;)
I run 33's on my Jeep CJ7 with a modest lift (4") and shackle reversals and it seems to get me pretty much everywhere I want to go, but it is a wonky tire - 33x12.5x16 ! Can't find em anymore, if I go skinnies I might go taller, but it comes down to wheel placement, picking my lines, and yeah, some stuff is just beyond my fun all rounder. I think that @240sxRule is generalizing a bit, there is an awful lot terrain on North and South America!
240sxRule Umm.. what? I love my 31.25” tires on my F150. It’s my daily and 13mpg combined is already terrible... but I am happy with my beast
40” tires seems to be replacing 35” tires in North America.
I am currently running the 31" tires that came with my crew cab pickup. I plan to keep running at that size in order to keep towing performance up (I tow), fuel economy up, lifetime drivetrain wear down, and the 47:1 crawl ratio that came with the vehicle.
I still remember driving around on 31 inch tires back when I was in high school. They were considered massive back then... but small/stock today. My 31" tires have been nothing less than awesome in deep sand... even climbing hills/dunes out on the outer banks here in North Carolina.
Went thru all these tire sizes. I love how the 35s look, can't fault its performance too...31s makes your ute look liked it skipped leg day, I'd go for the 33s for the best of both worlds
You don't drive with your good looks, mall-crawler.
LR Disco 2 stock is 29.1"... I guess 31" with no lift should still be better? Al, thing cinsidered. Width is another issue, stock is 255, but 245 could be fit, for example...
skinny legs
Awesome video! One of the most in depth comparisons I've seen. I would have loved to see a 33 or 34" pizza cutter (narrow and tall) and see how that stacks up in the tests as well!
Watched a technical review on this. As long as both tires are same load rating, pizza cutter for the win.
This is one of the most comprehensive tyre reviews I have ever seen. Well done!
Guys, love to watch the 4wd adventures, however these real life reviews/analysis you've been doing are next level. So much info and completely unbiased. Well done.
Hi Shauno, keep rolling out the superb vids 👍
I drive a 2012 Hilux with 2” pedders suspension lift front and rear and 33” BF All Terrain on steel wheels. These 2 mods completely transformed the pickups off road ability! Handling on road wasn’t affected too much if anything cornering was slightly better due to stiffer springs. Pickup felt slightly down in power from the larger tyres but this was easily corrected with a RaceChip tuning box taking it to 220 hp and around 500 nm of torque.
I would agree with your comment about 33” being the maximum doable size on a modern dual cab pickup.
I wanted 35s at the start but came to the conclusion that it wasn’t going to be feasible financially and otherwise - especially for a vehicle that spends most of its life on the tarmac.
All the best, Callum
Very wise comment!!! I agree 100% 👍
Remember the days before 35"s were on every second forby? The days when 31"s and stock wheels went everywhere because the tracks weren't all carved up!
You're spot on there mate, another amusing thing I found in my Jeep XJ was because most trucks have the diff on the right I was forever dragging my leftie diff.
Them dang ppl cutting up the roads with their larger tires aired to 80 psi really make it harder on us!
and after years and years of 31s eroding the tracks people had to go to 33s then to 35s
Tanner I don’t agree mate, think it’s more of dick swinging operation than anything else 😉
@@Flozman1982 go ahead and bury your head in the sand and pretend that the trails arent being eroded. you dont know what you are talking about and you proved it in 1 comment
I'm getting a 3" lift on my 2015 Toyota 4Runner, and upsizing the tires to 33's. I cannot wait to try out the new configuration! Your video was VERY informative and presented in a manner that was straightforward and easy to understand. Frankly it was reassuring! Thanks for providing us all with information that is useful and applicable! Cheers Shauno!
I just picked up a 2021 Toyota 4RUNNER. Still stock all around. Your information made my mind up between the 33 and 35. 33 it is for me. Thank you guys! I love you!
Just got to look at the DMAX with smaller tyres and what it can do off-road. Also I think driver ability had a lot to do with it picking lines
TyRCelto dmax can only fit 32s maximum without a body lift anyway
@@danielbenka9902 Um no, i Have had 35's comfortable on a 3" suspension, no body lift.
Andy G without cutting the guards, I call bullshit but whatever
Smoke n mirrors mate
Yer Jock wheels the dmax the best 😂
This video was absolutely superlative and informative on the highest level. I learned a lot from you. And I appreciate you actually changing those tires during the demonstration. Outstanding!
well that tire test just saved me alot of money since i was about to buy 35's... 33 vs 35 is a huuuge jump in exspense on a stock rig and not reaally worth the exspense. well done vid! :D
Same
Saaame
Great comprehensive review. I'd love to see more real-world gas mileage info with the different tire sizes.
I run a Jeep Wrangler Rubicon. Had 35s, now on 33s. I don't think your brake test was very accurate because it appears you were gauging your speed by the speedometer. You were going a lot faster with the 35s than the shorter tires. Faster speed makes a big difference in stopping distance. Great to see a real world comparison. Lots of tire changing going on behind the scenes.
So 33s seem like the best all around for performance and road driving for most mid size/full size trucks.
MeliorIlle Same.
Goldielocks
Over here in the U.S., I run 31s on my truck with a 2 inch lift to give me room for flex and I follow jeep wranglers around alot of trails they say I need 33s or 35s for. It's all about line choice and a good spotter. Though I will admit I do have some difficulty on some obstacles. And I only have a limited slip in the rear
Totally agree👏🏼
This is for Australia! it was filmed here with our relevant vehicles.
@@jasonswift7098 I have a friend who lives here in the US state I live in who was born and raised in Sydney and has said straight to my face that the terrain we have here is extremely similar to Australias. But it doesn't matter where you are or the vehicles, principal is the same. If you make poor line judgement and don't know how to read the terrain or don't have a good spotter your S.O.L.
@@HookedKAventures Well your friend in sydney (which is a city with bitumen roads not off-road) knows jack shit.
@@jasonswift7098 the US has everything from desert, tropical jungle/swamps, plains to alpine environments. Stop being a spud.
Brilliant review Shaun. You covered all the important points really well. Thanks for all your hard work!
2005 GU Patrol 5sp manual 4.2 diesel turbo inter cooled stage 1 tuned (AG Diesel) 3inch stainless exhaust from turbo back Nissan snorkel 12000lb Winch 2in Koni heavy duty long travel suspension lift (Guest 4WD) running 35in bf goodrich mud terrain.
Plenty of tire clearance on the back front mud flaps needed to be removed as they where rubbing there, also a camber kit was needed and a speedo kit but i just got used to the speedo being 10% off.
Apart from that over the 10 years i owed it it went everywhere, toed everything sat on 100klm very comfortably (even full of mud after a trip) was economical handled extremely well for a truck and sold it 3 years ago for about the same money i bought it.
Reliability was never an issue with this tire setup also to me it looked much more suited with the 35s.
Great 4wd adventure show Guys! Congratulations :)
Holly hell. Can't imagine how much work it was to keep swapping wheels. Thank for doing this video!
I have a 2" lifted 2014 Patrol. I ran 33's BFG AT's on steels for some time, and found them to be hard to balance, caused the dreaded "wobbles & shakes", and very "power sapping". Went back to the standard alloys and 31" tryes, no "wobbles & shakes", and plenty more power. With a bit more careful wheel placement off-road, it still gets me where in want to go, and keeps up with the bigger tyre trucks. I will be sticking with 31" tyres for the foreseeable future, for the benefits I've mentioned, plus the cost savings.
bigger tires are indeed much harder to balance with conventional methods. The best way to balance larger tires is to NOT use conventional wheel weights. Instead use BALANCE BEADS. They are small beads that go inside the tire kind of like putting sand inside the tire but the beads do not degrade and stay the same size and shape. They balance the tire dynamically. Conventional tire balancing is a static balance and less effective on large tires. Google it!!
Thanks to Shaun & all his buddies down under for all the super awesome off-road vids & recommendations.
I have a couple '97 Jeep XJs. One has a 3.5" lift on 31" tires the other 4.5" lift on 33" tires. Both are running KO2s. Both use to be 10.5 wide however I've been experimenting with 12.5" wide 33's. I know, skinnier is generally 'better' however they do not look nearly as cool on the streets ...🤣
Anyhow, southern British Columbia, Canada is home for me. Wet, snow, mud, sand, rock, sasquatch ... yup, we get the whole 4 seasons worth available in most conditions to choose from.
As Shauno's video demonstrates there are times when my 33s offer a smoother experience compared to the 31s & times when the 31s ride allows more of a consistent momentum due to take off and less resistance. As a footnote, I have experienced only marginal difference between the 10.5 & 12.5 width during 90% of my type of activities (exploring deactivated forestry roads & historic travel corridors). Sometimes the 12's are a tad nicer. Other situations it's the 10's that seem tighter. Thinner in snow for sure is better however a set of chains fairly quells that difference.
Getting from A to B depends heavily upon the driver & spotter experiences.
Weather and tools such as a come along, winch, or locker(s) are also to be considered. As Shaun puts it, you need to seriously compare the costs and decide your overall style. Now consider that bigger tires are also heavier to manhandle. My 31's are way nicer to change out than my 33's plus I don't require a higher lifting jack (although that's also due to the slightly higher lift on the one). As well, carrying a spare is much more accommodating room wise & weight wise. Consider that if you are going to carry one on your roof.
Even the cost per tire & per rim is less with the smaller option that can still get you there & back again.
I regeared the XJ with the 33's to 410 to still keep up on the highway and installed an ARB air locker in the rear making it way more of an expense than its twin 97XJ (both are red even)🌶🌶.
Except for the locker option, I do not feel that my slightly taller XJ with the 33s really out does the other with its 31s Both go to the same places generally. The locker helps the one while a winch currently helps the other when needed.
My advice, especially to those of you over 50 like me or those even younger with back problems, knee problems, etc. and of course anyone keeping the budget in check, is to go with 31's on a lighter duty vehicle. 31's will work great without regearing and doing any extensive body modifications. 33's can run without re-gearing as well however big long hills, thick mud, and any real payload will drag your momentum noticeably. I drove for 2 weeks like that just to try it. No problem around town or on the smaller hills but the 33s needed help on our Coquihalla Highway.
Airing down, the 10.5 width has a gripping advantage over 12.5 due to a reduced surface contact shearing profile.
Consider the cost of a winch and/or a locker(s) rather than the cost regearing and the extra lift costs that generally accompany the 35's plan.
I have a Jeep ZJ and I think I'm going to go w a 2 inch lift and 31s. It's my daily driver that sees dirt and mud trails on my days off. No rock crawling, again because it's my daily and I can't afford to do damage to my rig. I would like 33s but I have a tight budget. Thanks for adding your experience and knowledge it's a great addition to this video.
I love the Aussie accent, and different words. It’s almost whimsical, “muddies” “forbys” lol
The best trie test I’ve seen. Great job!
I have Patagonia 33x12.50x15’s on my 97’ Jeep TJ. I have a 2.5 4cyl. 5 speed Manual . I have a 2’”suspension lift. SteinJager cross over steering. Rancho RS500 shocks. Rough country upper and lower control arms. Pacer aluminum wheels. I will be changing the gearing to 4.56 in both diffs. (Stock is 4.10) I’ll be adding a lunchbox locker to the Dana 30 up front and an Auburn limited slip to the Dana 35 in back.
The engine definitely suffers from power loss due to the tire size (stock is 29”). And a 5mph difference in the speedometer.
Of course ground clearance and off road ability has improved significantly!
Great comprehensive video on tire sizes. My own experience in an 02 Mitsubishi montero has been different but good. Street type tires did well on road light trails and snow. Mud terrain work fantastic in deep muddy bogs up to waist deep. Now I have all terrain tires that in 3 inches of mud slide everywhere and they will get stuck pretty quickly. Mud terrain I was confident stopping in middle of bogs knowing it always got out. Now I won't stop with the all terrain. They work fine on road but do excel in rock climbing and dry off roading. Keep up your great videos.
Great content, I’m running a BFG KO2 285/70/17 on a 4th gen 4Runner along with a OME 3” lift and Total Chaos upper and lower control arms. Definitely the right combo for my rig. Performs great off road and is very comfortable as a daily driver
I’m running the exact same setup 👍🏼
I run 33's and a 3 inch lift on my Jeep and does really well.
What jeep model? Ive got 285s on my stock 09 2dr rubicon and at full flex ive got room to spare. Granted newer jeeps can fit larger tires stock, which ill ait is a bit annoying since a jl can fit 35 np but I can't. Lol
Which jeep
@@kgositheophilusbakwena3632 JK Sport Unlimited
My new JL Rubicon came with 33's. I am weary to go to 35's because I bought one of only 2 manual trans rubicons in Southern Calif. The manual is much more sensitive to tire size and the automatic is way more forgiving. I have seen guys go to 35's with the manual trans and they are saying the jeep is really a dog performance wise with 35's on on a jeep with 4:10 gears
Good comprehensive video!
The only thing that could make it even more complete is a skinny vs floatation size, for exaple 255/85 to 285/75 comparison. Both 33', but long and narrow contact patch versus wide and a bit shorter.
Good idea. They could go crazy and do farm truck pizza cutters. 235/85/16s. Lol!
@@bigtater29 😂
I went from 265/70/17s (31.7 in) to 255/80/17s (33.1 in) on my Tacoma (2nd gen) which already had a two inch lift. The only thing I had to trim was a wee bit of plastic on the very bottom of the fender flares. I've driven many many miles in sand (river bottom sand not beach sand) without issues. Definitely better on the corrugations and the extra clearance is nice. My truck is kinda heavy so I re-geared as well. If it wasn't kitted out for long distance travel re-gearing would be optional IMO.
32” 265/75/17 are perfect for D40 Navara with 2” lift. Spare just fits in, 10mm from scrubbing, speedo matches GPS & better mileage. Also reduces odometer reading better for resale. Don’t notice any power loss with the 550.
Same on my d22 better for steering compared to 2 inch body lift to fit 33s
Great video guys.
If you spend 90 plus percent of your time on paved or flat dirt roads stick with stock. Companies spend millions on R&D to provide the best and safest ride within a certain scope. Like this video showed, going up in diameter increased your breaking distance which could be the difference between a fun day out or going to a funeral.
But regardless, if you change your tyre diameter, your speedo will be out so unless you like collecting fines need that calibrated. Also gearing, if you're making your engine work harder for the same speed, means more wear and tear on the engine. Also more weight and resistance means more fuel consumption.
4Runner: 2" lift with 33" BFgoodrich KOs. Works!
What year?
Phantavius 18
285, 295, 305?
@@rightyouareken7587 285. Had the same setup on Toyota’s for years carry about 300lbs all the time and tow about 2500lbs about 20% of the time. Drives well on the road, tows through the mud and snow and so far no issues in light sand. Don’t have much deep sand where I am. Biltstien shocksand a diff breather too.
Great review on those 3 tire sizes. I really enjoyed driving on Mud 33"s ('78 CJ7) but now shopping for 31" for a Frontier I picked up.
This is every reason why I love my 33s and will probably never move up in size. They are the hatchet or utility knife of tire sizes; Jacq of all trades, master of none.
GREAT REVIEW VERY WELL MADE. THANK YOU. I DRIVE TOYOTA TACOMA OFFROAD ( CANADA) . I RUN 265/75R16.... THIS IS CLOSE TO 32 INCH. AND I PROBABLY CHANGE ( WHEN THE 265/75 ARE USE) FOR THE 235/85R16 THIS IS 32INCH TO BUT I LIT BITE LESS LARGE, SO FOR ME JUST BETTER IN SNOW AND RAIN. AND I DO A LOT OF BACKCOUNTRY ROAD, FIRE ROAD , GRAVEL ROAD... NO ROCK OR MUD... AND WE HAVE NO BEACH TO GO.....
G' DAY MATE 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I had a 1975 GMC pickup that started out with 31’s, and then I switched to 33’s. It was a heavy duty 1/2 ton, so it set a little higher and I didn’t have to modify it to run the 33’s. They worked real well on that truck over a lot of different terrain types. Those were on 15 inch wheels. Now I have a 2020 Chevy Silverado 1500 LTZ Z71 Texas Edition that came with 33’s on 20 inch wheels. Then and now my objective was exploring rather than trying to test the vehicle with the most difficult terrain possible, so I think I will be good with the 33’s on my new truck. Thank you for the informative comparison.
The biggest modification is to my bank account 🥵
much trimming done?😂
Right ?!
Love that line
This is one thing that could also do with a lift ey?
Right? Lol
Something I don't think was taken into account on the braking test was that if you were basing the initial speed off the speedometer you would actually be going a little faster with each increase in tire size. 60 on the speedometer with 35s is considerable faster than 60 on the speedometer with 31s. Its about 8 mph different
should have read first the comments 😅
my spedo is 10% out on 35s. so when im doing 100km/hr my speedo says 90
Gearing gearing gearing 37's Shauno 05 F250 5" lift 3:73 gearing to 4:10 gearing sweeeeet.. :)
I run 35”s on my Chevy Suburban with a 7” diff drop lift kit. I had to NorCal mod my front fenders and trim the bumper but, it now rides and wheels like a dream.
That was a great vid, when I started 4wding 44 years ago, you had to go through all of those mistakes to learn what I know today, there was no youtube and the information was sparse and not the variety of products, ARB was a tiny little factory in heatherdale near ringwood vic, but 4wding was a great adventure. I have a troopcarrier ex britz hi top, it has a 2" lift, love the car, I have put 33"/10.5-15s on it, I take it all over the high country in victoria, wonnangatta etc, the beaches in queensland and the outback I love the tyres, nothing has stopped them yet, and they look good on the hi top. keep up the good work fellas
I am running 31 on a land rover discovery one with a 2 inch lift. We are also based in south Wales in the uk so we have very different driving conditions here. Seems to work well.
Where in South Wales are you based? I moved from there to Australia back in 2007
Same here! I run 7.5x16 and it seems like they were made for the discovery. They tuck right into the wheel wells and it flexes out no problem. I just wish I had a 300Tdi... cheers mate!
Running 32's Insa turbo special tracks- 35 offset wheels on a Disco 2 TD5.. looks brutal...goes like stink in the mud.. on the road.. oh well lol
31's can get you to 99% of the places the big lift & big tyre crew can go. It's only the super hardcore offroad that big tyres can really help. The rest of the time it comes down to how talented the monkey behind the steering wheel is.
I think in england you occasionally drive on wet grass, yeah?
:P
I´m running 31"s on my -88 Gelandewagen. Cooper Discoverer stt pro. Works wonders.
Great work! Running a JKU with measured 34" tires and 2.5" Teraflex lift.
For our 1999 Jeep Wrangler, ended up with 33x12.5 Mickey Thompson Baja Claws on 15" stock rims. Mods to the Jeep were 1.25" spacer plates behind the rims (to keep the tire clearance to the inside the same) and to trim the rubber fender extensions....no lift. We don't do hard-care climbing, just some simple mud and snow stuff. These have some "howl" on the highway, don't care. They have great traction for what we do, and look good.
I am running 33 KO2 on my modified 2 inch clearance 2003 4runner v-8 with locking transfer case… hwy speed easy more 100+per hour smooth trail/small creek/snow…not extreme trail… we are very satisfied with my second set of 33-KO2 …excellent video…Samy
I've got a 2016 Pajero and about as big as I can go in the 31s. I do all my real fun 4wd in winter in the wet and mud solo. I've found not having bigger tyres don't stop you. They force you to drive smarter and read the track better.
I'm happily running 33's on my Chevy Avalanche. Re-gearing and body/suspension mods would be a must if I wanted to run 35s. If I were a more aggressive overlander I would go all in with a live axle conversion up front, re-geared rear, 2" body lift and maybe a duramax conversion... and maybe a third axle... and possibly tank treads... and then........
I went with 33" KO2 on my 1998 LX470 (100 Series). One of the things not mentioned in the review is "availability" of your chosen tire size. Here in the US, 275/70/18 can be found almost anywhere. If I were running a 34 (295/70/18) or 35, my options when remote would seriously hampered. Not so much of a big deal in populated areas. But, when I hit the back country in CO, UT, NM and TX, you're only near very small communities that might have one tire shop. They typically have very limited inventory. But, 275/70/18 is almost always available (even if it's a different brand). Of course, this would take a LOT to have to go that route as I carry 2 spares on the rig and have the exact same tire/wheel combo on my trailer (so effectively up to 4 spares in an absolute emergency) plus an ARB tire repair kit. Definitely spot on in terms of referencing costs to run bigger tires. Not only the initial costs to outfit the rig properly (re-gearing being just one of the many things that would be necessary along with bigger brakes), but the ongoing maintenance costs can be considerable. With greater mass and rotational weight, the IFS on a 100 will chew through CV axles and wheel bearings. Couple buddies of mine run 35s on their 100s and they destroy parts doing the same overlanding I do on my 33s. Most of them are now downsizing back to 33 because ongoing costs were getting out of hand. CV axles aren't cheap ($400 per from Toyota...remans are junk) and bearings aren't exactly cheap either. Lastly, their front diffs are putting up with way more stress as well. The earlier 100s had 2 pinion front diffs vs the later models 4 pinions. Seen plenty of 35 shod 100s grenade their 2 pinion front diffs. Heck, saw one grenade an ARB locker equipped front diff. 33" is the perfect sweetspot for IFS IMO. Excellent torture test done there. I follow everything you Aussies do to the letter. Good on ya for everything y'all do and all the information y'all provide us. Keep on and we'll keep on following :)
Thanks sharing your experience. I've always said anything above 33 on an IFS is asking for problems. Also anything above a 35 on the street is asking for problems.
U wrote a whole paragraph my guy
33" it is. I have a Ford F-250 and I do light off-roading but also a lot of pavement commuting.
I know a lot of effort went into making this video and I sincerely thank you.
As a new person to the world of 4x4 you guys have help me out with countless things thank you guys so much ❤️
Awesome test with the different tyres in different scenarios 👍🏻
I have All Terrain 31s on my 95 Prado as the daily setup, but for any off-road trip I have another set of Cooper's 33 mud tyres which go very well.. think 33s are in general, the best of both worlds..
I'm with you there, started with 31's, went to 35's and now happily running 33's
Mate hats off for making such an amazing video cant even imagine the effort!!
It's way easier if you have 3 identical trucks.
That is the best video on the internet on this subject. It must have been a RPITA to make so well done!
It's difficult to explain but (I'm American-Asian) it seems like you Aussies are a better version of Americans! And the vehicles you guys have are the envy of us. Keep up the good content and great Aus vibes!
This might be the only RUclips video I’ve watched twice. Y’all are nailing it
I think 33’s is a good all arounder for on and offroad. Also makes a difference if your rig is heavy or lighter. Ive seen light rigs getting far on a smaller tire.
I have a LC 200 with a 3 in lift, gvm upgrade and run 295/70/17 " 33' " toyo R/T open county, had 35's but too laggy on take off, the 33's are mint and work so much better with the transmission lock up kit
Very well done great job!! I run 33s on my Xterra with a 2" suspension lift. they easily fit. Little trim on the plastic front bumper (1/2 inch or so on the lower corner and no rubbing) Most can fit a 33 stock with a melt mod (melting the inner plastic back so it doesnt rub but it still can a little on the front bumper. Some put a 1 1/2-2" wheel spacer. The 33s work great for me. 35s can fit with 2 inch lift with 2 inch body lift, you really should re-gear. Xterras can also have a titan swap on the engine and suspension parts. Gets more articulation and changes things quite a bit.
I’m thinking of trying 33’s on my frontier. Thinking I’ll need a minor lift but not sure. I have a 2023 pro 4x and the stock 31’s are ok…just think it needs a little more
@@justaname109 I would kissy do a 2” lift. 33s will be fine with that. Without lift you have to make sure they aren’t too wide and might need to do a melt mod (inner fender heat and push backwards) but make sure a lift doesn’t void any warranty!
I run a 2008 LMM Duramax crew cab 4x4. Deleted and EFI Live tuned with supporting mods. Has a upper control arm leveling kit with 33 inch tires.
My other truck is a surplus military Humvee HMMWV M998 from 1988 with the 6.5 V8 diesel non-turbo. It is all military original condition with 6k miles on it, and it is in perfect condition as well. It uses 37in tires with run flat donuts inside the tires on the steel military split rims.
Here in the USA, I’m running 33”s on my ‘95 F150. I also changed the diff ratio from factory 3.55 to 4.56. It is a good match for the truck, road performance is still good, great off-road. Of course it’s not a rock crawler, I just wanted something capable off road that is also still OK for long trips down the highway. I feel like I accomplished that. It did great climbing the sand dunes in Sand Hollow State Park in Hurricane Utah. I was very pleased.
FYI, the factory tyre size was 28.9” (235/75R15). Fuel economy between Phoenix and San Diego was 15 mpg (15.68L/100km). Not great, but it was not much better with stock tyres.
Keeping the 31” and 2” lift on my LC 70 Prado. It wasn’t designed for hardcore off-roading. The occasional over landing though...
Great video! A lot of good information was put out and I learned a bit. Thank you!
Awesome video...love the channel...i run the stock size 33" on my 2019 Rubicon 4 door..i will run them until i start to feel like i need more clearance but for now they work great...the lockers i feel are more important for what i do as they have saved me a few times :)...if it was me i would tell people to get 4 way lockers before a big lift and big tires...have a great summer of 2021 all!!
The only guy on YT so far I have to slow down the playback speed for :D Love your channel, btw!
Great content. I have a 1983 FJ60 with stock drivetrain. I intended to do overlanding: beach and ranch use.
I fitted 33x10.5x15 KM3s. Changes to vehicle were:
--2.5" OME Heavy Lift
--Re-gear according to chart
I also overhauled both diffs and Front/Rear ARB air lockers.
No spacers or sheetmetal needed.
--
man, what a quality video with easy to understand explanations and real world examples.
Nice video, I liked seeing real-world comparison of the tire sizes. ;} I'd like to go 35", but for my 2019 Ford Ranger XLT I'll stick with 33"... my mechanic had to do quite a bit of modifying to get the 33" tires to fit with a 3.5" Icon Stage 2 suspension lift. I use Dick Cepek Trail Country tires that are 285/75-16 and American Racing Baja 16" wheels (wheels fit over the brakes without modification), and they were very good for me in the snow here in Susanville, CA. Liked them on the road, liked them off road the few chances I had before my XL got trashed in a head on. (Cue the Han Solo, "It wasn't my fault!") The XLT I have now I'm going to go with an ARB Summit bumper/grille instead of an Aries brush guard, and BDS 3.5" Stage 2 (maybe 3) suspension lift kit with steel UCA's (I have another 2019 Ranger but its a late year model and I can't put on billet aluminum UCA's like I did with the XL). -Thomas Stevens😎
Let’s see more of the 79 its a weapon
The 80 is one better 😂
I agree the 79 is sick as
Only if you widen the rear track by 100mm. Lol It is a global 4x4 icon though.
Shauno, I was feeling so happy for choosing 33s for my fzj80 after hearing all your tips & it all made sense. And then you showed Sooty at the end, everything went blank in my head and I was like "where is my 4" lift and 35s" hahaha...
2" lift will fit 35's on an 80 easy. I'm glad I went 35's
But I also did the transfer case gears
Solidly the best tire comparison I’ve seen for the off-roader who needs to get out to the trail, and considers things like fuel economy.
05 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (LJ), on 33x12.5R15x10", BFG KM3s for daily driving on streets and working in sand and mud in Florida's cattle and citrus country. Modifications = Metal Cloak high rise fenders/flares with no lift. Retained full articulation with no rubbing and no change in alignment specs. Added a front winch and needed more capable cargo and towing capacity. Installed OME springs and shocks for 2.5" of lift. Greatly improved ride empty and loaded. Still no change in alignment specs. Stock Dana 410 diff handled the increase with no problems, 4 mph decrease on the speedo readings. Not worth changing the speedo gear. Engine, transmission and suspension still FACTORY STOCK! Low CG and simple.
Land rover diesel 110 county 2" lift,double locked and 33s perfect setup😁😁
I"ll see your 110 and raise you (literally) a D1, 5" suspension/1" body, and 37s. Next build will be a 109 S2 on 40s, but she'll be on tons.
Defender. God's vehicle.
You guys make me want to go out to Australia just to watch y'all offroad. Always good attitudes, provide exciting content, and have a blast!
Merry Christmas and Happy New Years!
Happy new year from Jan 2024.
Really good content.Maybe you could include how each sizes has an affect on the fuel consumption.
Probably similar to the braking and slalom differences, if I was to guess.
bigger tyre the tyre = better fuel consumption highway driving, at the cost of stop-start fuel consumption.
Stock wrangler JK 2018 sticker said 18 city/21hwy with 255/75r17's a 32" tire, I run 315/70r17 basically 34.5" tire and get 15 mpg on avg , my gear ratio is still stock 3.21, wanting a gear swap to 4.11 but figure it'll bring down the mpg even more, my buddy runs 33" tires and says he gets 20 mpg in the highway
If you re-gear to compensate, that'll reduce the penalty of going bigger, but bigger will always get worse MPG
I drive a 10lb Land Rover Defender 110 with 4.75" BFG Krawlers ;P
Joking aside, your videos very much apply to scale R/C trucks as well and I like watching them not only to enjoy full-scale 4WD, but also for inspiration for my scale rig!
Thanks Shauno and 4WD 24/7 team. I run 31,5" x 10 R15 with 2" lift
Great tyre review.
I fitted 37,s to my Iveco 4x4 and it feels good. The Speedo is running 3km slow rather than 8km optimistic. Clearance and approach/departure angles excellent. Better rpm on road and with the 24speed g/box plus diff locks as standard it puts a grin on my face every time I drive.
Speedometer error is always a percentage. If it's off 3 at 50, its off 6 at 100. No exceptions.
FJ Cruiser, sticking with 31's as it's my daily driver as well as I mostly do vic high country stuff that really needs more gearing and less clearance.
I was considering 33s for the FJ. I have a 3 inch lift so my 31.5s look small
Run 33s on my Disco (3 inch lift) and i have no problem going most places. Wife runs 32s (2 inch lift IFS front) on her Jackaroo and she goes almost everywhere i go!!
Mates with pooies and land cruisers have 35s. I have to pull them out as often as they pull me out.
Choosing your path, momentum, pressures etc are far more important that tyre sizes.
Really good point. Having bigger tyres is pointless if you have them at wrong pressures etc. But when used correctly assist you getting you further off-road
Excellent test !! You covered all the important points. Think I’ll stick with the 33s. The perfect middle ground in this situation. Good job mate ! 🍻
Greetings from Southern California! I got a Prado variant aka Lexus GX460 here. Running 33” on VTX Offroad 17x9 zero offset wheels riding on Dobinsons 2.5” lift. This really is the sweet spot. Plenty of power with the 4.6 V8 we get over here
Currently got 29s on my zook (sierra). Am putting 31s on and 6.5s in the tcase.
35s with a regear would be my choice. Its expensive but so worth the vehicle driving like its got stock wheels and tires on
i wish we could get these Land Cruisers in Canada. Well, first I wish the Covid goes away
you can, I just imported one from Japan lots of people to help you get it here if you really want one.
The Lexus LX series is a land cruiser with a Lexus badge and a little more luxury items you can get in Canada. If you're willing to go through the hassle, you can try to import a North American spec Land cruiser from the states or some of the older ones from Japan or Australia. I'm pretty sure you guys have a 15 year age requirement for import from outside the continent but you can get something newer from the US or Mexico.
It might be 15 years old for all imports though, I'm not 100% on that. Down here we have a 25 year age requirement from outside North America but I know we can get newer stuff from Canada. Reason why I know that is because people will try to use that as a loophole to get 15 year old cars in the states by importing it to Canada and then importing it again into the US lol. It's basically double the price, hassle and paperwork though.
@@c4onmylip thanks. I know about the 15 year law so that's one possibility. I've seen awesome Lexuses modded for overlanding as well, so that might be an alternative but nothing like the LC 70 series.
@@c4onmylip its not the same, they have more problems and only comes with a petrol engine and lets face it a petrol landcruiser is crap. no one bus them here everyone prefer the longevity of the diesel and utres are just so practical
That is an excellent comparo! Thanks for all the back breaking work for this video, very informative!
Hey, man. You did an extraordinary job with this video. Thanks a lot for sharing. This is by far the most interesting and complete test about the change of tyre size I've seen yet. Thanks for all this work with changing the tires in the midlle of the bush. Looking forward to seeing more tests.
I have plenty of fun with my Hilux factory standard 29 inch tyres. Just need to be slightly more strategic. (only slightly)
Since I was 5 I had a mindset to move to aus and I still want to coz the offroading and my dad builds unimogs 🤗🤗
Sorry mate Apparently we are now shut. Perhaps next year?
@@westie4ageturbo.749 LOL
I would have thought a moggy would make light work of crossing a border, lol.
There's only so much water portals will let you drive through
Keep the content flowing, love it. GU Patrol on 35s with a 4" lift and 6.5 turbo V8 😍
beast!
Hi
Wrim offset are you running? Is it your daily drive? What state are you in?
Awesome mate.
I have a GU with 2" lift on 33s (legal height in Vic) and recently added a 6.5 Chev. Had to take the mud flaps off the front to be able to steer it. What kind of fuel consumption numbers are you running?
@@leonkane8240 -22, in WA
Perfect video, thank you! I've got a reservation on a new Ford Bronco and trying to decide what version to get with what specs. Black Diamond comes with 31.6" AT 265/70R17. I like the power and road characteristics those tires will give, but can't stop thinking about bigger tire options. Sasquatch package come with 315/70R17 34.6" tires. I was thinking to go in between and get 33" Goodrich TA KO2s. Still undecided, but your video really cleared up a lot for me! Many folks are opting for the Sasquatch package with the smaller 2.3L engine and say it's got plenty of power. After watching your video, it seems rather obvious that it wouldn't be too good to run the 35" tires without also opting for the more powerful 2.7L. Thanks again!
It really is the best 4wd content available on RUclips thanks for all ur hard work and effort guys
haven't been here for a while... since when you guys change from general to goodyear lolll
Great video, man. I've never seen a test like this. We all know that bigger tires will change things, but seeing the numbers in test form is pretty sobering.
Gaining an inch or two of clearance is not worth loss of handling, braking, wear on parts, horsepower loss and extra cost involved. There will always be a bigger hole. Buy a good winch. Cheers from Indiana.
and a nice set of mud boots while you're at it oh and rubber floor mats
There will always be a bigger hole..lol. Well said
@Southern Fun get f250 diesel you can run 40s with those. More than plenty to clear just about any pot hole there are on the road.
@Southern Fun this is just untrue. Bigger tires = bigger tire, thats it. I can do more with my 32s and lockers than I could with 33s and open diffs. Bigger tires without proper gearing and clearance and you have not really gained much.
@@paxrom1
Might as well just get a Duece and a half. Run that bitch off any kind of fuel you want while making holes too deep for any F250, lol.
GQ wagon, 35x12.5x15, 4.6 diff gears brings the gearing back to factory. 35s are a game changer offroad! Super happy with the change!!
2006 Jeep TJ Unlimited, 3.5 inch Rancho lift, 33 inch tires 4:56 gears ARB lockers...Awesome here in East TN