I Weld Lifting Strakes Onto the Pontoon. TEST DRIVE! Suzuki DF200A

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  • @justinlindsey4199
    @justinlindsey4199 3 месяца назад

    More Pontoon videos, please. Like, How to or not to pressurize toons, why your deck is getting water logged, how to keep water out of seat tanks, etc

  • @abrasivereshaping6317
    @abrasivereshaping6317 2 месяца назад

    Nice work!! I will say that negative angle strakes work great on inland lakes with small waves/wakes and cross chop. However they will eventually crack at the welds in bigger water like Lake St. Clair in Michigan...2-3 ft waves can be a common day in the summer. Over time the pounding will fatigue the welds and surrounding metal. Toons like Manitou SHP use a positive angle on their strakes. This takes more of a "V" cut into the wave when coming off a big wave and seems to reduce the stress loading on the strake against the toon. Just some of personal observations from my home built tritoon. Happy boating and keep up the good work!

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  2 месяца назад

      For sure. I run on lake Ouchita, a pretty large lake (roughly 22 miles across as the bird flies). The water can get quite tall when the wind is out of the east or west, so when it is up I slow down to prevent problems.
      Eventually I will be adding smaller strakes to the outside pontoons and that may take a little stress off the big ones in this video. If cracks develop I’ll plate and tig up those spots. Thanks for watching! Just installed a hydraulic jack plate and will post a video on that!

  • @raypollock8761
    @raypollock8761 Год назад +2

    Great video

  • @zacksrandomprojects9698
    @zacksrandomprojects9698 11 месяцев назад +2

    Im trying to sort this out on my pontoon right now. I got a 2016 Lowe SS210. Had a 4 stroke 60 Merc on it, went 14mph. Now I have a brand new Merc 115 Pro XS and it only went 18. Had it back to the dealer 4 times. Got it back this morning with a 4 blade prop and it goes 25mph now with just me on it. I think a 3rd log and some lifting strakes are in my future. Thanks for the video. 🍻

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  10 месяцев назад

      Glad you liked it and hope yours turns out good! When I start posting videos again soon there will be one featuring my dads pontoon getting converted to a tritoon!

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  10 месяцев назад

      Until you get a third log under there you should look into skinning the underside of your deck with aluminum sheet (rivet it on). This makes the ride much quieter and should get you 3 or so mph, and fuel savings!

    • @zacksrandomprojects9698
      @zacksrandomprojects9698 10 месяцев назад

      @@whatszackdoing Thanks for the info! Im subscribing! 🍻

    • @zacksrandomprojects9698
      @zacksrandomprojects9698 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@whatszackdoing Cool name by the way! You even spell it right! 🍻

  • @maxbridges6087
    @maxbridges6087 Год назад +1

    Following you guys for some months now. Great videos and very entertaining! Wish you all the best and greetings from Munich, Germany!

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +2

      Awesome! I’m glad I have so folks watching over there. I have always wanted to visit Germany, hoping one day I can!

    • @maxbridges6087
      @maxbridges6087 Год назад +1

      @@whatszackdoing You're very welcome for some adventures with kayaks through the rivers and alps here in the south! You have my word!

  • @yaksamit3682
    @yaksamit3682 Год назад +1

    Your videos are getting so fantastic!

  • @tflnorthamerica4585
    @tflnorthamerica4585 2 месяца назад

    That's the smartest design I've seen yet

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  2 месяца назад

      Well gosh! Much thanks

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  2 месяца назад

      Powered jack plate coming soon!

    • @victorcretu7741
      @victorcretu7741 24 дня назад

      @@whatszackdoing I want to see that one. Right now I'm penalized when the pontoon is empty on front. If I add weight on front the rear is coming out of water. So, I have the same speed weight or no weight.
      But that's by design, I guess. I have a 20 ft Legend Transporter pontoon. It's made to have a load on front. However, if I manage to lift the rear (most likely with a pair a rear-end hydrofins, only the end ones), I might be able to get more from my 50 HP BigFoot Mercury. Right now I only get 15-18mph. I'm barely reaching (if I'm lucky) 5000 rpm. If I could get past of 5500 rpm, I could switch to a faster propeller, from 14 x 10P now to 14 x 11P.
      However, I'm a bit concerned about jack plates. The cavitation plate should be at the same level (aligned) with the transom bottom. If it's lower, we get a drag when we trim the engine. If it's upper the cavitation plate is useless. The motor sitting is not something we should mess with.
      The cavitation plate must act like a trim tab. When we trim the motor down, the water should come from below and lift the motor. If it comes from above (when we trim up), and push the motor down, it's going to be a drag. In this later situation having a hydrofoil on the outboard makes things much worse. Better remove it!
      I would rather have a bracket that allows me to trim down the motor a bit more - so that I get more lift - than having a jack plate.
      But none of them are necessary. I would keep it "factory installed".

  • @jasongoodwin6471
    @jasongoodwin6471 Год назад +1

    I lucked out getting 6 inch lifting strakes. I didnt know anything about it. My Biggest improvement on my tritoon was getting a power tech ss prop. It had the stock black max crap prop. On my 20 ft tritoon, I was topped out at 18mph on my merc 115. Put on new power tech prop i got through Tillman Propeller in Mobile. Boat tops out at 32 mph now. The prop has the correct diameter for a toon. It also has a hard cup edge like a racing prop. Gets on plane at 12mph. On my 2011 merc 115 its rpm band goes to 6400 by design. With this prop im doing 32 mph @6100 rpm. As the water allows of course. Is nice to be able to put im at my home ramp and can boat over to the destination now. Daphne Al, to Dauphin Island in and hour. Eat, hang out sight seeing, then pop back home. Getting every drop out of my tritoon! 6 Inch lifting strakes and right Power tech prop and its a whole different experience. When you come out of the intercoastal at big lagoon. When you come out of the idle zone and go hammer down. I out accelerate and out run similar boats with same load on board by 10 mph. Out at Ft. Mcree when they caught up to me , he said theres no way thats a 115. Had to show him the sticker on the mount lol. Out ran his 150 Suzuki on a new toon.

  • @toddwhite3217
    @toddwhite3217 4 месяца назад

    Hi I wanted this and found a center toon used from local dealer for 700usd... but it had 4 pin holes in it and the strakes stoped 8ft short of transom , so i cut a old diesel tank apart for the angled corner pieces and brazed them in place with rods from harbor freight , brazed the holes and coated the whole thing with 2 coats of high solids epoxy... I did seal the strakes up water tight... I have a 2004 24ft suntracker back then they epoxy coated the toons and used aluminum for the deck...

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  3 месяца назад

      Very cool! Have the pontoon mounted yet?

  • @jamestaylor8860
    @jamestaylor8860 Год назад +1

    What about adding some form of revolving wheel located between the pontoons. As the water hits this area it will spin the wheel and produce power.

  • @victorcretu7741
    @victorcretu7741 24 дня назад +1

    What if I add strakes on the the motor pod? I do not have a log in the middle.
    I could easily attach with screws on each side of the pod, a 3 feet long L profile (2 inch by 4 inch) right were the V profile of the pod starts. If I makes sure that the strakes' front-end are "almost" above the water and have small attack angle there (5 degrees - coming maybe from the boat sitting), I'm basically transforming the pod into a jon boat. My pontoon is almost empty on front (it's a 20 ft Legend Transporter). When I walk to the front the speed increases by 2mph. Just me 180 lbs, moving to the front makes a decent difference. So, I just need a bit of lift on the back.
    At 18 mph speed, 5 degrees angle (~ 0.5 as lift coefficient), about 300 square inch strakes area ( 4 x 36 x 2 pieces) I should get a 600-700 pounds lift.
    Let's say I get half of it, let's say the coefficient of lift is only 0.25. 300 lbs lift is enough to "cancel" the motor weight (247 lbs - Mercury 50HP BigFoot).
    I do not see the middle log usefulness.

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  24 дня назад

      I’d say give it a try! Lift in the back helps so much.

    • @victorcretu7741
      @victorcretu7741 24 дня назад

      @@whatszackdoing Nah. I will pass the offer. No strakes for me. Thanks! 😀
      Maybe I would install a hydrofoil on the outboard. Nothing more! I do not want to add any drag or weight.
      My plan is actually to go electric. That's why I purchased a pontoon with only a 50 HP Mercury. I do not want to use it. Or maybe I use it to push the pontoon while another electric motor, in front, is pulling. By trimming the 2 motors I can achieve any sitting I want. I will not go on plane but I won't pay too much on gasoline either. I purchased a few solar panels, almost 2Kwh worth, and I'm going to install them this winter. I want to slide on the water in silence. Magic!

  • @Patriot-up2td
    @Patriot-up2td Год назад +3

    Why didn’t you weld lifting strakes on all three pontoons? That’s industry standard. OR, as some manufacturers do, at least weld one strake to the inner side of each outer pontoon as well as both sides of the center. It would give you more planing surface.

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      I had just enough material for the center pontoon. I’m doing all of this on a budget! Once I get some more material you best believe I am adding more strakes!

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +2

      Once I run into more reclaimed (cheap/free) aluminum it’ll be bent and welded on pronto. The free pieces I had were very odd dimensions and would just barely get the center done. Luckily it’s an extra 13” of planing width (2 6.5” strakes) and it gave me about an extra 3.5-4 mph

    • @jonathanmcnett8708
      @jonathanmcnett8708 Год назад +1

      Great video! I have a 24ft party barge sun tracker. Looking to add a center toon. I like the idea of outer toon lifters. How do I know where to place them?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      @@jonathanmcnett8708 thanks! You basically just need to copy a landau or g3 suncatcher. They have the best strakes. The flat on these is 3.5 inches above the bottom of the pontoon. That is about the sweet spot

  • @tomshilkuski2540
    @tomshilkuski2540 Год назад +1

    Awesome video. Thank you for sharing. I am considering adding strakes as well. I have a couple questions if you don’t mind. What were the dimensions of the strakes. (ie. 3”x4” bent at about 60 degrees?) and how thick was the material you used?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      I should have added these details in the video! So I had 26” wide pieces that I had sheared to 13” wide. The vertical is 7.5” and the horizontal is 6.5” at 65 degrees.
      So they are giant strakes! The math worked out for those dimensions instead of making four tiny strakes…
      The material is 1/8 thick, which is major overkill for normal sized steaks say 3.5”-4” wide, which is usually only 1/16 thick from most manufacturers.
      It looks like I have found some more material so I can bend two more strakes (one for each outside pontoon).
      The material is 1/16 thick so I will make the strakes probably 4.5” vertical and 4” horizontal at 65 degrees as well.
      4 to 6 strakes at this dimension is usually what a boat comes with nowadays. Hope this made some sense!

    • @toddwhite3217
      @toddwhite3217 4 месяца назад

      I just modified my strakes to run full length... 6in vertical and 4.5in on lifting side.

  • @Davidsmith1120
    @Davidsmith1120 Год назад +1

    How did you know where to place the strakes, the size and angles of the strakes? I have a 24’ pontoon and would love to add these to the inside and outside of my 2 logs

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +2

      I used a piece of copper wire and bent/cut the wire to match the shape of another boats strakes. At my shop we sell landau pontoons (stock they run 41.5 with a 150 and 44 with a 200)
      So I bent the shape I liked and matched their strake height from the bottom of the pontoon. Their flat planing surface on the bottom is 3.5” or so from the bottom of the pontoon. Seems to work very well!

  • @southerngentleman2516
    @southerngentleman2516 4 месяца назад +1

    Only the center though? I would think some one the outter pontoons would preform better

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  4 месяца назад +1

      Hopefully this season I will be adding the outside ones as well. The material I had worked out to make those big strakes just right. It’s expensive material so using what I have. Now I have some thinner material that I can have bent into some 3.5” strakes for the outside pontoons, so I will probably burn those on this winter

  • @lesheath6216
    @lesheath6216 Год назад +1

    I'm looking to buy a pontoon to build a cabin on so my wife and I can spend weeks at a time cruising rivers. I found a good deal on a 24 footer but it's only 8' wide, how can I safely go about widening it to 10'?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +2

      There are multiple option, but the easiest would be to unbolt one pontoon, cut a bunch of 4’ aluminum and scab them on 2’ overlapped. Use a 3 or 4 stainless bolts per extension and then bolt the toon back on! That is one way that would work

  • @johnwiles6895
    @johnwiles6895 Год назад +2

    How much gain in spedd did the 2 strakes actually add?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      3.5mph by gps. Once I ad strakes you the outside pontoons I’ll probably get another 1-2mph I think. My favorite part about adding strakes isn’t the loaded performance. I put a troll motor on, two batteries for that, a massive cooler, tons of gear and three heavy dudes to go fishing yesterday… runs 42!

  • @Mr91495osh
    @Mr91495osh Год назад +2

    Just buy one with lifting strakes ,

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +2

      I’m poor haha

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +2

      A 24’ playcraft nowadays starts at 80k

    • @Maynardd
      @Maynardd 11 месяцев назад

      The criminal boat manufacturers charge a ridiculous fortune just to add them. For mine it was exactly $10,000 for lifting strakes and to have a standard 25 inch pontoon swapped out for a 32 inch oval pontoon in the middle. But $10,000 just for that. Much better off doing it aftermarket on your own.

    • @victorcretu7741
      @victorcretu7741 24 дня назад

      @@Maynardd Of course they charge because they have to sell big engines. Can someone tell me why VARA Foil is so expensive? Why on earth we have to pay $3500 for a 50-60 inch wing and a few brackets. That's a ridiculous price.

  • @carolinaguy5458
    @carolinaguy5458 Год назад +1

    Hey man love the videos and you have my gears turning now lol. So quick question, I have a 18ft fiesta with 2ft wide toons that I just put a brand new 90 zuk on her and by myself I’m getting about 31mph. So do you think I would gain anything by installing lifting strakes, if so do I need them on both sides or just the first couple ft on outside and all the way on inside?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      Two strakes all the way down would help and four would do even better!

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      Those 90 Suzukis push hard! Strakes would definitely help, especially when loaded heavy.

    • @carolinaguy5458
      @carolinaguy5458 Год назад +1

      Appreciate the reply man, what was your dimensions on the strakes and the bend degree if you don’t mind telling. I have access to a brake, also what thickness was your aluminum plate and what thickness would you use for the under skin? Thanks man.

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      @@carolinaguy5458 I believe 6”x7” at 65 degrees. The material is 1/8” thick. Most strakes are actually about 3” instead of six and thinner material, but I had to use what I had lying around. The dimensions I chose perfectly made 2 big strakes instead of 4 or 6 smaller ones

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      @@carolinaguy5458 I had two pieces 26” wide and 10’ long. So I cut a piece of copper wire 13” long and bent it a few times to find the profile that looked right on the pontoon. Once I chose the profile I just traced the wire onto my notepad and measured the dimensions etc

  • @aaronloerch8645
    @aaronloerch8645 Год назад +1

    How far is your motor sitting with your middle toon? I feel like mine is super low. Had a 20inch shaft before and someone before me put a 25.

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      It’s a 20” transom and 20” motor. My prop blows out just a bit. I actually need to go down a few inches. I’ll need a jack plate I think!

    • @aaronloerch8645
      @aaronloerch8645 Год назад +1

      @@whatszackdoing do you have a solid video of your boat running while your driving facing backwards to see if your having alot of splash up. I feel like I am dragging so to speak. And only at 5200 rpm.

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      @@aaronloerch8645 I have some video. During take of there is
      A lot of turbulence and dirty water, but after about 3/4 throttle the boat pops up and runs really clean

    • @aaronloerch8645
      @aaronloerch8645 Год назад +1

      @@whatszackdoing do you have a email?

  • @JH4RTM4N
    @JH4RTM4N 4 месяца назад

    What pitch prop were you running there?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  4 месяца назад +1

      That is the stainless Suzuki Watergrip 16x21.5. I found out my tach was inaccurate, so I replaced it and was lugging the engine a bit.
      I have a 16x20 watergrip on it now. It over-revs slightly with a light load, but is perfect when loaded for a trip

  • @anthonybass7851
    @anthonybass7851 Год назад +1

    Great video! What prop did you end up with?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад

      Thanks man! I am now running the 3x16x21.5 Suzuki Watergrip

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +1

      Didn’t include it in the video but I tried some 4-blade Bravo 1 props. A 25 and 26 pitch. Wasn’t too good of a test because the props are ported… need to order some plugs so I can try them again

    • @anthonybass7851
      @anthonybass7851 Год назад +2

      I ask because I just added a center log with lifting strakes to my 24’ pontoon. Looking to repower with Suzuki 200HP. Curious about a good starter prop. I also thought about adding lifting strakes to the inside of the other logs. I would be stocked to get 44 MPH!

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  Год назад +2

      @@anthonybass7851 I would definitely suggest either the 3x16x20 or 3x16x21.5 Watergrip. They are killer props. Whoever you have install the motor needs to try each prop at different motor heights for sure!

  • @bb5797
    @bb5797 11 месяцев назад

    What size is your boat?

    • @whatszackdoing
      @whatszackdoing  11 месяцев назад +1

      24’ originally, but I moved the middle pontoon back when I rebuilt the deck/floor etc. so it’s actually about 25.5 long tip to transom