The Loud Absence - John Lennox and Jane Beal at University of California, Davis
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- Опубликовано: 7 май 2015
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My grandson was bashed in his head and murdered, and the murderer was caught and went to trial and at the trial my son forgave him. My son is a Christian of unusual empathy and he said to me the truth and reason. He could not allow the hate to rule his life, Dr. Lennox is awesome!
Thank you Dr. Lennox. Your talk gave me hope. Your love of he Lord comes through in your talks. God wants me! My government only knows me as a number. God, can have a relationship wit me!
I love the joy that comes through in your brief testimony. Thank you for sharing it.
GOODNESS...Dr. Lennox inspires me.
My idol in faith.. My prayer that God will always with you sir John Lennox.
aae1002
He's brilliant right?
I always love hearing John Lennox speak. He has such an intricate, yet down-to-earth style that is appealing to many types of people in his audience, and he is brilliant. His words struck home even more than usual during this talk by mentioning that children could one day grow up to reject parents. I am living this tragedy and pray every moment for a miracle for reconciliation.
God so loves us in our humanity, He needs us to love Him back on our FREE WILL, with all our mind, heart, soul and with all our strength... He perceive the gratification of us loving HIM back !!!
John Lennox does a great job at sharing the Christian worldview, and how this worldview explains the world!
In the beginning was the word and the word was GOD - A sound message well delivered
I just bought the sunflower. I know I'm going to be a goey blab of tears and snott throughout the book. But I have "faith" in lennox 😉 that's he's given me a good title to read
beautiful!
Thank you, Dr. Lennox, for making the point that people who attempt to spread or defend Christianity with violence are not following Christ, but are instead are fighting Christ.
I admire Lennox for being so open about a challenging (and often personal) topic, and even more so for encouraging people to explore worldviews that counter what he has just said. Fundamentalism of any kind - whether religious fundamentalism, militant atheism or scientism - stifles debate and hinders understanding. Regardless of the worldview being supported, we need more of the type of modest and logical discourse that Lennox offers.
Thank you for sharing!
Excellent tone. Thank you both. Ear repair business...yes .😊
May God rises many of our future generations to defend for the true word of God, the BIBLE like this intelligent man, John Lennox.
Can freewill exist in the human concept of a perfect world? Can we experience good and evil, or love and hate, etc., in such a world? I believe our world is perfect for God's intention and plan. Our world is a training/testing ground for the would be "children of God".
God has explained the issue of evil and suffering to us through the Book of Job. I wonder why Prof. Lennox did not refer to it.
Mathew Thomas agreed; however, the book of Job doesn’t explain WHY evil. Perhaps that is why Lennox didn’t mention it. Just my guess.
@Matthew Thomas the thing about evil that God does not explain in His word is how His highest created angel was able to rebel.
The question of the origin of evil does not keep me awake at night.
What wakes me at 3am is the knowledge that many of my family and friends do not know and love Jesus of Nazareth.
I understand when comments are disabled on the Christian sites but I cannot leave a comment for an idea. I would like to see a topic on the difference between the gods of the different faiths especially the jewish god compared to the Protest Stand God of the Bible.
It's the same God. The Jewish people are, for a short time, relax but in the darkness.
In the mean time, God works out between nations who really realise that they need a new view of this world and the eternal life.
For more than 2000 years, Israel is on the age. God put them to sleep.
But soon He will start to shake them as a nation again.
Until then, the nations should repent and return to God with all our hearts.
This is the nations time to accept the love God for each one of us. Personal.
John 3 :16 - His love is for me and you. To not perish but to receive the eternal life in Jesus Christ.
Same way for all nations to accept Jesus Christ as personal Savior and Lord. But for Israel, God prepared another plan.
He had something to do with them.
Pretending is not hope.
There will be no sin in heaven because those in heaven have already decided to follow Jesus and keep his commandments as a matter of a lifestyle choice. In short, those in heaven will naturally live sin-free.
so you will that robot that they say God didn't want to create. If you can't do what you want in heaven, then you will be mindless.
@@gusgrizzel8397 How do people come up with such silly arguments? People in heaven can do whatever they want because what they want will be good. Christians on earth still have a fallen old nature but in heaven we will only have a new nature, the mind and heart of Christ. As one old songwriter put it:
When I stand before the Throne,
Dressed in beauty not my own,
When I see Thee as Thou art,
Love Thee with unsinning heart,
Then Lord, shall I fully know-
Not till then-how much I owe.
And I can't wait!
@@donblosser8720 You're trying to rationalize the conundrum away. Even the angels fell away, according to the bible.
Atheists don't have to reject the notions of good and evil. Thanks.
The supposed savior of souls of Christians, was just the most "recent" savior-myth story. Example as follows, from the book, and please note how Chrishna was spelled, before the Christians came up with the word Christ, and how the Hindus then changed the spelling of their supposed savior to "Krishna."
The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors … Christianity before Christ, by Kersey Graves … first published in 1875.
and finally these twenty Jesus Christs (accepting their character for the name) laid the foundation for the salvation of the world, and ascended back to heaven.
1. Chrishna of Hindostan.
2. Budha Sakia of India.
3. Salivahana of Bermuda
4. Zulis, or Zhule, also Osiris and Orus, of Egypt.
5. Odin of the Scandinavians.
6. Crite of Chaldea.
7. Zoroaster and Mithra of Persia.
8. Baal and Taut, “the only Begotten of God,” of Phenicia.
9. Indra of Thibet.
10. Bali of Afghanistan.
11. Jao of Nepaul.
12. Wittoa of the Bilingonese.
13. Thammuz of Syria.
14. Atys of Phrygia.
15. Xamolxis of Thrace.
16. Zoar of the Bonzes.
17. Adad of Assyria.
18. Deva Tat,aud Sammonocadam of Siam.
19. Alcides of Thebes.
20. Mikado of the Sintoos.
21. Beddru of Japan.
22. Hesus or Eros, and Bremrillah, of the Druids.
23. Thor, son of Odin, of the Gauls.
24. Cadmus of Greece.
25. Hil and Feta of the Mandaites.
26. Gentaut and Quexalcote of Mexico.
27. Universal Monarch of the Sibyls.
28. Ischy of the Island of Formosa.
29. Divine teacher of Plato.
30. Holy One of xaca.
31. Fohi and Tien of China.
32. Adonis, son of the virgin Io of Greece.
33. Ision and Quirinus of Rome.
34. Prometheus of Caucasus.
35. Mohammud, or Mahomet, of Arabia.
These have all received divine honors, have nearly all been worshiped as Gods, or sons of Gods; were mostly incarnated as Christs, Saviors, Messiahs, or Mediators; not a few of them were reputedly born of virgins; some of them filling a character almost identical with that ascribed by the Christian’s bible to Jesus Christ; many of them like him, are reported crucified; and all of them, taken together, furnish a prototype and parallel for nearly every important incident and wonder-inciting miracle, doctrine and precept recorded in the New Testament, of the Christian’s Savior. Surely, with so many Saviors the world cannot, or should not, be lost.
The holy bible is the truth. Why is bible the truth? Because it says it in the bible. LOL
Atam: Even most atheist Bible scholars acknowledge that the Bible's Gospel accounts are historic, even if they do not believe in Jesus's Deity. There are also several ancient texts outside of the Bible to explain Christ and what His disciples and followers believed to be true about Him from the beginning. The Christian church was established and evolved after its founder died. They believed that He rose again, and that He appeared with--and indeed hung out with--many people after He was crucified.
Yours is a childish straw man argument Atam. There are many evidences of the truthfulness of the Holy Bible. One is fulfilled prophesy. Another is the fact that all but one of the 12 Apostles died as a martyr when denying the resurrection of Christ would have bought their release. The 12th, John, died in exile. No one will die defending what they know to be untrue. The authors of the New Testament were eyewitnesses of the risen Christ. Unless you repent of unbelief, you will be held accountable on the day of judgement for ignoring their witness and the witness of God's glorious creation.
@@megalopolis2015
"Religion was invented when the first con man met the first fool."
Mark Twain
@@AtamMardes A fool ignores the evidence laid out before him, including that of a Higher Power, particularly Jesus. The Serpent said we could be as high as God. That is the religion that most people follow without question, despite how obviously flawed we are. We need a Savior.
@@megalopolis2015
LOL. You're not saying anything intelligent. You're just parroting the stuff you've been fooled & indoctrinated to believe.
22:00 "...a robotic world" Is that what heaven is? God creates a universe based on entropy - where life must feed on other life to survive and sticks us in it. How is this not wicked?
claudiaquat
You don’t enjoy eating? And food?
How is it wicked? How would a robotic world be better (since you think that should be heaven)? You can doubt anything, but what should you believe?
again with the jesus crap???
Hyder Noori What do you expect? This is the veritas forum
Hyder Noori If you think this is crap I wonder if we were watching the same video. What John Lennox has to say is very intelligent and insightful.
Shona McCarthy Lennox does not say anything intelligent. Lennox babbles like a child who wants there to be Santa Clause. Lennox sounds intelligent to you because you are impressed by his PhD and mild manner. You keep telling yourself he must be saying something intelligent because you are fool by the fact that he is professor. Delusion does not care if one has a PhD or not. Cheers
atam mardes It has nothing to do with his qualifications. It's simply because everything he has to say logically follows from the available information.
Furthermore, I could just as easily argue that you only see him as a fool because he's a believer, and so you've become jaundiced about it.
Shona McCarthy I see him as a fool because he fails to realize that resurrection, walking on water and turning water were made up by people the same way Santa Clause and tooth fairy were made up by people. Lennox just makes claims he cannot back up. That's not intelligence, that is delusion.
Please tell me one intelligent item that you think you learned from Lennox. Thank you.
Dr. Lennox babbling proves that the power of delusion does not care if one has a PhD or not.
Luke Mcdonnell Did you fool yourself to believe that an almighty rational God magically made a pair of fully grown fresh out-of-oven adam/eve, who had no childhood, no education, no interaction with others, no life experience, and no used-car salesman experience, yet the rational God decided to mess them up by setting them up to be outwitted by a smart ass talking snake to disobey his mighty self causing him to pout and huff like a child storming off only to come back disguised as his son to torture and sacrifice his mighty self to forgive a petty fruit eating mishap and educate us with a book that teaches good moralities like how to buy slaves, beat slaves, pass slaves on to children as inheritance, kill unruly children, kill non-virgin brides, sell daughters, and slaughter entire nearby nations including their infants and animals?
atam mardes Virtually all the objections you just named have their answers that you could google for, and you would quickly learn how poorly modern society has informed you about the Bible.
whyshouldyoubelieveinGod.blogspot.com
Shona McCarthy When you get a chance, read your bible yourself and actually think about. Don't let anyone especially a religious person to translate it for you. But, remember, reading is not enough and you have to think about what you read.
The bible says treat others the way you want them to treat you. The bible also sanctions buying and beating slaves. This hypocrisy reveal that man made up the bible without any moral divine intervention. You should be ashamed of yourself for praising a God who orders the slaughter of even one infant in any context.
Leviticus 25:44
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves.
Leviticus 25:44-46
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your
relatives, must never be treated this way.
Exodus 21:7
If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do.
1 Timothy 2:12
I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Luke 12:47
The servant who knows the master's will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows.
Deuteronomy 22:20-21
If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 21:18-21
If any man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father or his mother, and when they chastise him, he will not even listen to them, then his father and mother shall seize him, and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gateway of his home town. And they shall say to the elders of his city, "This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey us, he is a glutton and a drunkard." Then all the men of his city shall stone him to death; so you shall remove the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear of it and fear.
1 Samuel 15:3
3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
atam mardes I've done both over and over and over again, and I intend to do it many times more before I die. The Bible doesn't sanction slavery. It simply acknowledges that it happens.
We think we're doing better today because we don't see slavery happening, but because we've made it illegal it's impossible to regulate, and now there are more slaves than ever before.
So the Bible contains laws about slavery in a bid to make it more humane than it was. Making something against the law won't stop someone from doing something.
Shona McCarthy Reading is not enough. You have to actually think about what you read instead of letting others interpret or justify it for you. If you have thought about it on your own, then tell me please, what rationality and logic led you to form an opinion that teaching people how to buy slaves, how to beat slaves, how to pass slaves on to children, how to sell daughters, how to kill unruly children, how to kill non-virgin brides, and how to slaughter an entire nation including their innocent little infants and animals, make it more human? Please tell me, thanks.
Lennox literally believes Jesus healed a blind man. LOL. Lennox fails to realize the miracle stories were made up by people throughout the years.
atam mardes
... and your opinion was made up by yourself, or by God?