DX changes the lighting engine(for the worse in most people's opinions), replaces playable character(and *only* the playable characters) models with higher polygon ones(which just look out of place next to all the low-poly environments IMHO). and the adventure fields' background music cuts out when ever you pass a load screen(the Dreamcast version continued to play between load areas) EDIT: also on the matter of lip-synch, Sonic adventure 2's lip-flaps are matched up with the Japanese dialog(in fact the dialog is so tightly matched that the English dub often has issues were lines are to long/short compared to the Japanese and end up overlapping each other, or differences in sentence structure end up making characters react to information before it gets said)
Well you should know something about how it is a port of a port of a port and you will understand even more, all verion of sonic you have played so far are bork version of the originals in control and sometimes in visual
4:30 "Like, I don't wanna be mean. I know this is early 3D, there's a lotta stuff that was getting figured out... some studios figured it out a lot faster than others. ...F***."
These are the following additions/changes to the Director's Cut. -The Game Gear games can by unlocked by collecting Embems. -If you collect all the Emblems, you can unlock Metal Sonic to play as. -The visuals were overhauled. Most would agree the Director's Cut looks worse than the original. -There's now a Mission Mode. Sonic Adventure DX also seems to be more prone to glitches, but I can't confirm that. Overall, Sonic Adventure DX is hit or miss sorta port. I personally prefer it on the Dreamcast.
Best example of glitches/oddities was with the Whale Chase Scene in the video. Near the end of the first Whale Chase, Sonic will begin top slow down which is what killed Dan the first time. The Dreamcast Version doesn't do that.
considering it's the version i've played (can't speak for the dreamcast, never had one), oh yeah. it's bugged out to hell. i'm one of those lucky players who never runs into technical issues, who never really sees glitches without exploiting them. i was running in station square and fell through the world. oh, this game is a buggy piece of trash held together by decade-old shoestring and bubble gum, and we love it all the same.
I love... Absolutely LOVE how the very first line of dialogue in the entire game isn't even completely over yet, and Dan just let's loose with a hearty ...Fffu****!
Was gonna comment that that actually happened in an episode of "Extra History," but then I remembered that he didn't ever use that voice modulation for that series
I could be remembering this wrong, but I think the "lip syncing" is actually for the Japanese VAs, the English is just a VO with no changes to the talking animation. Looks slightly less ridiculous with the Japanese. Then again, I haven't messed around with the language option in this game in 10-12 years or so.
it's probably the case happens a lot nowadays (which is why people say subbed anime is better than dubbed) so i can only guess that it was the same back then. although nowadays they at least try to make it work but back then ... just... that it's so bad it's funny
Great vid, but your constant apologies for being negative are honestly holding you back! Like, instead of just saying "I'm sorry, it's early 3D, they had a lot to figure out," talk about what's ACTUALLY so bad about the animation - the walk cycles sliding over the ground, Sonic's legs going through his body, etc - this is all stuff still relevant to new animators today!
As a sonic fan myself I'd rather he keeps softening the blows. Don't get me wrong I still want him to do as much contructive criticism as possible (like the leg clipping part which I had forgoten was a thing until this video) but I've long reached a point in my life where I can't take people just bashing that series anymore. I've known forever that Sonic sucks, probably since this game and maybe even earlier, but the franchise still does a few things well and high speed platforming remains a rare commodity to this day so it's pleasant when someone bring those up or at least seems to remember it.
Oh god, I'm in the very interesting position - I have an overwhelming feel of nostalgia that just warms my heart and at the same time I'm urging to finally hear legit criticism to this game (instead of "It's just bad, I hate it"). It was a little weird to sing along with opening cutscene and then laugh with Dan's "oh boy" moments )
Worth taking into account: the Steam version is a port of the 360 version, which itself is a port of the PC version, which itself is a port of the Gamecube version, which itself is a port of the Dreamcast version.
Dan, welcome to the era of the questionably good sonic games! This, battle and heroes are commonly thought as the start of the decline, while not a complete wreck, there is a slow descent into the valley that is the sonic franchise. (Side note: I know you said you aren't doing spinoffs, but would you consider spin ball as a special? It's not a traditional sonic game, but I think it would just be an overall fun experience to record)
I dunno - For me Adventure 2 is an improved iteration on Adventure, which makes me think if they hadn't have begun their first flailing to latch onto a formula following it with Heroes, Shadow, and the irredeamable mire that was 06, until finding one in Unleashed (Well, half of Unleashed, anyway) they'd have had a good for the time 3d platformer with a hypothetical Adventure 3. The main problem I have with Adventure (and to a lesser extent Adventure 2) is that it's got the problems of the Gen 5 console 3d platformers in the Gen 6 console market. (While I wouldn't have minded Heroes if it wasn't for it being the start of this flailing around looking for a formula rather than giving the perfectly serviceable one they already had the polish it needed. It's fine as a side-game in isolation, it's what Heroes is in retrospect that bothers me.) - As such, I'd point to Heroes as the start of the decline, while this is Sega generally and Sonic Team specifically going through a "How do we 3d platform?" phase a generation later than their peers.
Dan, if you have time, look at the Chao Garden in this game--animations, gameplay, etc. The Chao Garden absolutely made this game. The storyline gameplay wasn't that great, but breeding and customizing those adorable little aliens made DX one of my all-time favorites as a kid. Without the internet to just look up what combinations were possible, it became a fun game trying to collect all of the possibilities and max out their stats. After beating the main storyline with all the characters, I only ran select levels for the purpose of obtaining more of the animals for the Chao.
Sonic Adventure has not aged very well that is for sure, but I will give it one thing. It introduced me to Crush 40, and it's probably one of my favorite bands now despite it being an in-house band for Sega/Sonic Team.
So do you think some of Sonic's awkwardness is because hes all head, hands and feet? If they reduced the size of his hands maybe that solves some problems. You kinda need a big head for direction in 3D space but because of how often the feet are in motion you're drawn to them (maybe the color difference helps too). I dunno, proportionally he's a mess. Each foot and hand are bigger than his torso.
The thing to know about Sonic Adventure was that it was basically stitched together out of dreamcast tech demos. That's why it has such a weird mix of different mechanics, they had a bunch of prototypes for things like racing games, schmups, skating, fishing, and just jammed them all together and did a bare bit of reskinning and strung a story between them. The dedicated "sonic" portion of the game was bigger than the others but not that big. The whole thing was kinda low-effort.
Isometric platforming is... Certainly a thing that happened. No, seriously, I don't even mean that as a criticism of 3D Blast - Looking at any isometric platformer from a modern perspective is weird, it was how you did 3d platforming prior to the PS1, but it never plays or looks anything like a modern 3d platformer, not even in terms of the groundwork that was laid for future 3d platformers with things like Mario 64 or Crash Bandicoot, (Which are both 3d platformers on 5th generation machines while this was a 3d platformer on a 6th generation machine which is why I can't accept 'early 3d platforming was stilted' as an excuse for this game's flaws - Most of the flaws it shows were mostly worked out over the course of the 5th generation of consoles, while this was released at the start of the 6th generation) but instead their own weird entity that didn't go anywhere because newer technology made that approach redundant. Honestly, due to how weird in a modern gaming context isometric platformers are I'd like to see a Guest Play on them rather than Dan talking about them, because they're weird in a modern context from an animation standpoint, they're weird in a modern context from a game design stand point As a Guest Play, I'd ideally want an overview of many of them rather than just looking at one specific one - Sonic 3d Blast: Flicky's Island is a notably late example, maybe Head Over Heels, maybe the Ocean Software's 1986 Batman title, but I think Congo Bongo and/or Ant Attack would need to be included for being the first of this style of platformer, as would Knight Lore for essentially establishing the conventions of them...
This was my shit when I was like 5, reading along with the subtitles actually helped me learn how to read when I was young Looking back at it now, good god the cringe
The DX version of Sonic Adventure is a port with some minor graphical upgrades (most assets remained unchanged, but some of the playable character models were made smoother and less obviously polygonal, and some textures were updated), as well as some added extras (Mission mode, unlockable Game Gear games, an unlockable Metal Sonic skin for the time trial mode, and [in the GameCube version] connectivity with the Game Boy Advance for Chao-raising purposes). It's also glitchier than the Dreamcast version and is thus the preferred version for speedruns. Also, the voice actor for Dr. Robotnik/Eggman in this game is Deem Bristow. He was the character's voice actor until his death in 2005, although archive footage was reused in a couple of later games. He was soon replaced by Mike Pollock, who voiced the character in 4Kids' English dub of the Sonic X anime, and who has stayed on as Eggman's voice actor even after SEGA replaced the rest of the 4Kids VAs.
This isn't an animation examination of Sonic Adventure. This is an animation examination of a majorly downgraded animation- wise port with "DX" slapped at the end. The original Dreamcast version has way better lighting and more "colorful" textures. The models of certain characters, (including Sonic) are way different. If you want to play something that has the original lighting and textures try the "Better" Sonic Adventure DX mod. (steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=299808681) This mod contains bug fixes, full screen, and a mod loader with the Dreamcast palette lighting and Dreamcast textures installed automatically. The modding community is working on porting the Dreamcast models. This won't change how the game plays, but it will bring the game back to more of it's former glory. If you want to see the differences and a bit of history, you can check out this video by a dude named BlazeHedgehog. (ruclips.net/video/8uNsTXIzgGI/видео.html) However, the guide part of the video is obsolete, with the mods being with the new mod loader if you so choose.
I grew up on this game so I'm captivated by the nostalgia. And I loved how this game was open world for the most part and that you could switch between characters, which showed the same story all in their own perspectives. This was one of my favorite sonic games haha. But I do get what you mean by all the animation flaws. At the time, something like the fact that their lips didn't match their words and all the cheese the game has to offer was sort of expected to me at the time when I was playing. So as a kid I loved the game despite those flaws. But yes, I can see why it can be very cringy haha. If I didn't grow up with the game, I probably wouldn't be into it as much as I am and have been lol. Sonic Adventure 2 is definitely better though.
"cartoon-ass characters" is not something I expected to hear from Dan lol. I know that this video is very old, but I just needed to know where your love-hate relation to sonic came from.
I call this game a beautiful mess, it's so bad and so good in many different ways, it's worth a full analysis from the opening cutscene to the "true ending" of the whole game. It's also a pretty interesting way to see SEGA's transition from cute hedgehog to edgey fun for all ages.
Oh boy. I was *really* taken by this game when I first saw it as a kid-I only got the DX release on GCN, so this was after I was very much exposed to 3D games on the N64-but looking back on it 20 years later, holy *hell* this is rough. I think one of the things that really captured my attention as a kid was Chaos's movement and melting into a puddle, as well as the concept of Chaos as a villain. I definitely remember remarking on the fact that Sonic's run animation was a little... slippery, though. I guess all the floors in this game are freshly waxed. Yes, even the asphalt and concrete. (Hi, 2017 Dan! I'm just here watching old videos because I needed more Dan and Dan/Carrie shenanigans, so I went scrolling. =V )
Oh wow I remember playing Sonic Adventure 1 way after it's golden days and I remember it looking kinda awkward But looking at it critically now is just... amazing
LeeLemon008 The game grumps did a playthrough of this game. I recommend watching a best of compilation , they're hilarious (and also show how bad most of the game is"
I think for your purposes, the most important difference is that the character models and shading were changed. Sonic, for example, did not have individual fingers on the dreamcast version. Oh, and the facial animations in this game are so weird because they only had a few facial expressions that they'ed swap between. That wasn't that uncommon a tool in those days, but they seem to have been limited by how many they could use or something, because many of them are reused from mid level circumstances. Oh, and I've heard from people who modify SADX that the game barely fucking runs.
Don't want to add even more to your list, but I want to mention that LEGO Dimensions has impressed me with their version of Sonic animations. You should see that Spin Dash!
QueenFiria No. He was shown one of the many bugs from this TERRIBLE port. On the Dreamcast version, you just speed right through there. I've done it a thousand times. It controls exactly like you would expect it to. The DX port screwed up the collision or something, so that you can pass over the speed boost thing and go through the railing.
For me, the best 3D sonic graphics and animation wise was Sonic Adventure 2, until Sonic Colors came around. Seeing you playing this is pretty nostalgic.
Is it just me or every new series starts with hello, my name is dan and this is "game" except the ones with will and battle of the dans (WHICH I TOTALLY PREDICTED THAT DAN WOULD WIN)
I think they did the whole "Sonic in a realistic looking world" thing right in Sonic Unleashed since all the human characters also looked very cartoony.
Did you mean the plocie cars or Dan's cussing? Either way, I was *_SO_* tired from lack of sleep and as soon as this came up, the timing at 4:37 was so amazing that I was amazed I didn't slip and fall on my chair from laughing so hard.
Hypeathon I was already laughing since "This hurts a bit", then the police cars got me staring wide eyed and when he cussed I just lost it. This is now one of my favourite videos on the Internet.
Dan, if you can get ahold of it, I would recommend playing Sonic Jam's Sonic World briefly for comparison to this. That section of the game was based on a Saturn beta they had of this game at the time, and oddly the animation of Sonic is generally much better, and because it all takes place in a Green Hill Zone kind of place, the art direction is very uniform.
Wow... I never saw the slow route before. I'm one of the people who prefer this game to the later installments: it was my jumping point into the series. I do like the older titles too, but the actual "game" part of sonic adventure 1 was still just as good. The first level was one of the highlights but so was the mountain stage and the city stage. The final level had an appropriate build up with the music. Other stages... remind me of marble hill zone from the first sonic game.
I tried playing this game today on the ps4, and it glitched me through the path and died, a few times, and the second loop killed me and I gave up. That experience brought me here
Examining the character animations of a 3D Sonic game is an interesting choice; I'd say that the designers put more thought and attention towards level design, considering how many sweeping camera angles and zoomed-out shots there are. Still, I look forward to Dan's examination of the game, and sincerely hope that he sticks around long enough to analyse fish motion.
3:30 oh god after all these years im noticing how sonic's legs are going through his stomach in thi running animation oh lord XP (-long time sonic fan regardless :P)
"Oh man... this is an art direction nightmare."
welcome to the pain, will you be playing shadow too?
DX changes the lighting engine(for the worse in most people's opinions), replaces playable character(and *only* the playable characters) models with higher polygon ones(which just look out of place next to all the low-poly environments IMHO). and the adventure fields' background music cuts out when ever you pass a load screen(the Dreamcast version continued to play between load areas)
EDIT: also on the matter of lip-synch, Sonic adventure 2's lip-flaps are matched up with the Japanese dialog(in fact the dialog is so tightly matched that the English dub often has issues were lines are to long/short compared to the Japanese and end up overlapping each other, or differences in sentence structure end up making characters react to information before it gets said)
Well you should know something about how it is a port of a port of a port and you will understand even more, all verion of sonic you have played so far are bork version of the originals in control and sometimes in visual
Basically sega is the george lucas of video games, mismanagement at all stages, that's incredible, sonic really survived despite this.
Sonic 06 next
Sonic: Aww, yeah! *This* is happening!!
Dan: F***.
Yup.
Sonic: "Huh?!"
Not even Dark Souls made Dan use censorship, and this game made him in the first 10 minutes
A NEW RECORD
there are worst things ahead
Only two games have made Dan curse: Call of Juarez and Sonic Adventure. This is the first and last time those two games will be grouped together.
He's also cursed in Battle of the Dans when they played Mario 3d Land, but that wasn't at the game.
Dan can deal with terrible difficulty... but not with terrible animation.
Everyone has their limits
"This is early 3D, I know some studios figured it out faster...
...
F-"
I lost it.
Jumbled ThoughtBrony
Yeah, it is kind of funny.
4:30
"Like, I don't wanna be mean. I know this is early 3D, there's a lotta stuff that was getting figured out... some studios figured it out a lot faster than others.
...F***."
If you listen closely, you can hear Dan's soul die within the first 10 seconds.
KrystalKairi
Didn't hear it.
I think it's around 4:40, but the editor bleeped it out. Sounded kinda like the air being let out of a balloon.
4:43 I love when you say, "f*ck" then at 4:44 Sonic says, "huh?" almost as if it answer you. XD, perfect timing.
These are the following additions/changes to the Director's Cut.
-The Game Gear games can by unlocked by collecting Embems.
-If you collect all the Emblems, you can unlock Metal Sonic to play as.
-The visuals were overhauled. Most would agree the Director's Cut looks worse than the original.
-There's now a Mission Mode.
Sonic Adventure DX also seems to be more prone to glitches, but I can't confirm that. Overall, Sonic Adventure DX is hit or miss sorta port. I personally prefer it on the Dreamcast.
Best example of glitches/oddities was with the Whale Chase Scene in the video. Near the end of the first Whale Chase, Sonic will begin top slow down which is what killed Dan the first time. The Dreamcast Version doesn't do that.
also new models, with mostly the same animations :/
considering it's the version i've played (can't speak for the dreamcast, never had one), oh yeah. it's bugged out to hell. i'm one of those lucky players who never runs into technical issues, who never really sees glitches without exploiting them. i was running in station square and fell through the world. oh, this game is a buggy piece of trash held together by decade-old shoestring and bubble gum, and we love it all the same.
ThePrinceOfSaiyans The game grumps did a lets play of this game. You should watch a compilation. Basically just "this game is awful"
you forgot the signs in mission mode showing all the sonic x pictures.
I love how, at 4:42, Dan just flat out says "F***," and even Sonic himself looks at him like he couldn't believe what he just heard.
Oh I was in tears when Dan dropped the bomb in the first 5 minutes, because I could feel the animator within getting gut punched.
First dialogue with that.... lip-'syncing'. "F***."
Pure gold.
I love... Absolutely LOVE how the very first line of dialogue in the entire game isn't even completely over yet, and Dan just let's loose with a hearty ...Fffu****!
I don't know why, whenever Dan curses it's just hilarious cuz I can imagine his high pitched cartoon voice cursing XD
Was gonna comment that that actually happened in an episode of "Extra History," but then I remembered that he didn't ever use that voice modulation for that series
I could be remembering this wrong, but I think the "lip syncing" is actually for the Japanese VAs, the English is just a VO with no changes to the talking animation. Looks slightly less ridiculous with the Japanese.
Then again, I haven't messed around with the language option in this game in 10-12 years or so.
it's probably the case happens a lot nowadays (which is why people say subbed anime is better than dubbed) so i can only guess that it was the same back then.
although nowadays they at least try to make it work but back then ... just... that it's so bad it's funny
i. LOVE. dan's despair at this. dan, just because we love it doesn't mean it's good.
Great vid, but your constant apologies for being negative are honestly holding you back! Like, instead of just saying "I'm sorry, it's early 3D, they had a lot to figure out," talk about what's ACTUALLY so bad about the animation - the walk cycles sliding over the ground, Sonic's legs going through his body, etc - this is all stuff still relevant to new animators today!
I second this. Still love the Adventure titles but I'm not about to defend the animation here, just eager to hear honest critique.
As a sonic fan myself I'd rather he keeps softening the blows. Don't get me wrong I still want him to do as much contructive criticism as possible (like the leg clipping part which I had forgoten was a thing until this video) but I've long reached a point in my life where I can't take people just bashing that series anymore. I've known forever that Sonic sucks, probably since this game and maybe even earlier, but the franchise still does a few things well and high speed platforming remains a rare commodity to this day so it's pleasant when someone bring those up or at least seems to remember it.
Francis-Olivier Toba
Sonic doesn't suck.
I think that the kept saying that to remind himself of that, otherwise he might just leave the game to nevr touch it again.
this!
dropped an f-bomb at the first line of dialogue. this is gonna be a good series.
"Slow down a little, Sonic."
I died a little inside.
Oh god, I'm in the very interesting position - I have an overwhelming feel of nostalgia that just warms my heart and at the same time I'm urging to finally hear legit criticism to this game (instead of "It's just bad, I hate it").
It was a little weird to sing along with opening cutscene and then laugh with Dan's "oh boy" moments )
LOLOLOL sonic just like "no" and game crashes....like even he doesn't want to be here
"Slow down a little sonic"
"What?"
"Slow down"
"I don't understand."
Worth taking into account: the Steam version is a port of the 360 version, which itself is a port of the PC version, which itself is a port of the Gamecube version, which itself is a port of the Dreamcast version.
I have the exact same desktop background so I was super confused when the game crashed.
Dan, welcome to the era of the questionably good sonic games! This, battle and heroes are commonly thought as the start of the decline, while not a complete wreck, there is a slow descent into the valley that is the sonic franchise. (Side note: I know you said you aren't doing spinoffs, but would you consider spin ball as a special? It's not a traditional sonic game, but I think it would just be an overall fun experience to record)
I dunno - For me Adventure 2 is an improved iteration on Adventure, which makes me think if they hadn't have begun their first flailing to latch onto a formula following it with Heroes, Shadow, and the irredeamable mire that was 06, until finding one in Unleashed (Well, half of Unleashed, anyway) they'd have had a good for the time 3d platformer with a hypothetical Adventure 3.
The main problem I have with Adventure (and to a lesser extent Adventure 2) is that it's got the problems of the Gen 5 console 3d platformers in the Gen 6 console market. (While I wouldn't have minded Heroes if it wasn't for it being the start of this flailing around looking for a formula rather than giving the perfectly serviceable one they already had the polish it needed. It's fine as a side-game in isolation, it's what Heroes is in retrospect that bothers me.) - As such, I'd point to Heroes as the start of the decline, while this is Sega generally and Sonic Team specifically going through a "How do we 3d platform?" phase a generation later than their peers.
Dan, if you have time, look at the Chao Garden in this game--animations, gameplay, etc.
The Chao Garden absolutely made this game. The storyline gameplay wasn't that great, but breeding and customizing those adorable little aliens made DX one of my all-time favorites as a kid. Without the internet to just look up what combinations were possible, it became a fun game trying to collect all of the possibilities and max out their stats. After beating the main storyline with all the characters, I only ran select levels for the purpose of obtaining more of the animals for the Chao.
Oh my god, the first reaction to the lips. I started laughing out loud while I was at work.
Sonic Adventure has not aged very well that is for sure, but I will give it one thing.
It introduced me to Crush 40, and it's probably one of my favorite bands now despite it being an in-house band for Sega/Sonic Team.
19:54 He goes from walking to standing perfectly still to mid-walk in 4 frames.
You know, occasionally I'll come back to this episode just for the part at 4:40
It cheers me up whenever I'm having a bad day. Without fail.
So do you think some of Sonic's awkwardness is because hes all head, hands and feet? If they reduced the size of his hands maybe that solves some problems. You kinda need a big head for direction in 3D space but because of how often the feet are in motion you're drawn to them (maybe the color difference helps too). I dunno, proportionally he's a mess. Each foot and hand are bigger than his torso.
The thing to know about Sonic Adventure was that it was basically stitched together out of dreamcast tech demos. That's why it has such a weird mix of different mechanics, they had a bunch of prototypes for things like racing games, schmups, skating, fishing, and just jammed them all together and did a bare bit of reskinning and strung a story between them. The dedicated "sonic" portion of the game was bigger than the others but not that big. The whole thing was kinda low-effort.
Most entertaining part of the video is how bloody hard you're trying to be nice in the face of insurmountable odds.
Just gonna skip Sonic 3D Blast? That was Sonic's first attempt at 3D, and a pretty unique one to look at for animation, I would thing.
Isometric platforming is... Certainly a thing that happened.
No, seriously, I don't even mean that as a criticism of 3D Blast - Looking at any isometric platformer from a modern perspective is weird, it was how you did 3d platforming prior to the PS1, but it never plays or looks anything like a modern 3d platformer, not even in terms of the groundwork that was laid for future 3d platformers with things like Mario 64 or Crash Bandicoot, (Which are both 3d platformers on 5th generation machines while this was a 3d platformer on a 6th generation machine which is why I can't accept 'early 3d platforming was stilted' as an excuse for this game's flaws - Most of the flaws it shows were mostly worked out over the course of the 5th generation of consoles, while this was released at the start of the 6th generation) but instead their own weird entity that didn't go anywhere because newer technology made that approach redundant. Honestly, due to how weird in a modern gaming context isometric platformers are I'd like to see a Guest Play on them rather than Dan talking about them, because they're weird in a modern context from an animation standpoint, they're weird in a modern context from a game design stand point
As a Guest Play, I'd ideally want an overview of many of them rather than just looking at one specific one - Sonic 3d Blast: Flicky's Island is a notably late example, maybe Head Over Heels, maybe the Ocean Software's 1986 Batman title, but I think Congo Bongo and/or Ant Attack would need to be included for being the first of this style of platformer, as would Knight Lore for essentially establishing the conventions of them...
But does his PC have BLAST! processing? I bet not, Sega does what windoesn't.
You win. Best comment. Internet over.
This was my shit when I was like 5, reading along with the subtitles actually helped me learn how to read when I was young
Looking back at it now, good god the cringe
Thanks for acknowledging that you can see why people might like this game despite it's general ineptitude, that means more than you know.
I love it when there's some sort of error that makes you die so hard the game crashes.
Ah, brings memories of Game Grumps.
He even almost fell through the wall at 12:47
Yeah, kinda wish he wasn't playing DX so that stuff wouldn't happen nearly as much. It is, after all, a port of a port of a port.
John Doe A port of a port of a port of a port OF A PORT
& Knuckles -I have no idea why I did this-
Yeah sorry bout dat
the second sonic opens his mouth: "fffffffff-*bleeeeeeeeeeeeeep*"
"That monkey was a lot more dangerous than I thought."
>.>
That's what she said!
*runs away
They changed the lighting and character models drastically. You really should be playing the Dreamcast version!
also, I think the lips, as crazy as they are sync better ( at all ) with Japanese than with English
"Some studios figured it out more than others .... F*@$"
AW YEAH, THIS IS HAPPENIN'
The DX version of Sonic Adventure is a port with some minor graphical upgrades (most assets remained unchanged, but some of the playable character models were made smoother and less obviously polygonal, and some textures were updated), as well as some added extras (Mission mode, unlockable Game Gear games, an unlockable Metal Sonic skin for the time trial mode, and [in the GameCube version] connectivity with the Game Boy Advance for Chao-raising purposes). It's also glitchier than the Dreamcast version and is thus the preferred version for speedruns.
Also, the voice actor for Dr. Robotnik/Eggman in this game is Deem Bristow. He was the character's voice actor until his death in 2005, although archive footage was reused in a couple of later games. He was soon replaced by Mike Pollock, who voiced the character in 4Kids' English dub of the Sonic X anime, and who has stayed on as Eggman's voice actor even after SEGA replaced the rest of the 4Kids VAs.
Another quote worthy thing, "I don't wanna be mean, i know this is early 3d........f-f***." It was just such great timing.
I love your Steven Universe's wallpaper
The animals are for the chao gardens, little creatures you hatch, breed, level up, and evolve.
Live commentary on artistic design is actually pretty cool. I like this format a lot.
Duuuuude that f**k at the beginning of the level almost killed me rofl
Man, it's months later and I'm still coming back to this video for a good laugh. This is gold.
"Whoa, slow down Sonic." - Dan
"Gotta go FAST!" - Sonic
Oh, and there I thought I would see the end of my days before another of these. Welcome back Dan, you've been missed
Dan. Please don't hold back on this game
Big McLargeHuge
Yes. It did not aged well.
it was basically spoiled milk when it hit the market, to stick with the metaphor, so...
Døde Brø
Not really.
yes really.
Døde Brø
Not really.
I think the run cycle for Sonic Adventure 2 was perfect. It was visually pleasing how Sonic swings his Mickey Mouse hands faster as he runs.
This isn't an animation examination of Sonic Adventure. This is an animation examination of a majorly downgraded animation- wise port with "DX" slapped at the end. The original Dreamcast version has way better lighting and more "colorful" textures. The models of certain characters, (including Sonic) are way different. If you want to play something that has the original lighting and textures try the "Better" Sonic Adventure DX mod. (steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=299808681)
This mod contains bug fixes, full screen, and a mod loader with the Dreamcast palette lighting and Dreamcast textures installed automatically. The modding community is working on porting the Dreamcast models. This won't change how the game plays, but it will bring the game back to more of it's former glory.
If you want to see the differences and a bit of history, you can check out this video by a dude named BlazeHedgehog. (ruclips.net/video/8uNsTXIzgGI/видео.html)
However, the guide part of the video is obsolete, with the mods being with the new mod loader if you so choose.
"I don't think Nintendo is going to pull it off super elegantly with that new Switch Mario" Thank you! Someone else who feels my pain!
I grew up on this game so I'm captivated by the nostalgia. And I loved how this game was open world for the most part and that you could switch between characters, which showed the same story all in their own perspectives. This was one of my favorite sonic games haha. But I do get what you mean by all the animation flaws. At the time, something like the fact that their lips didn't match their words and all the cheese the game has to offer was sort of expected to me at the time when I was playing. So as a kid I loved the game despite those flaws. But yes, I can see why it can be very cringy haha. If I didn't grow up with the game, I probably wouldn't be into it as much as I am and have been lol. Sonic Adventure 2 is definitely better though.
I love your Steven Universe Desktop Wallpaper, Dan!
Whoever put together that opening video was really proud of that close-up eye shot, weren't they?
Man, that intro is SOOOOO 90s. XD So cheese, I kinda love it.
I knew that 'paper' Dan's voice wasn't how he really sounds, but hearing this was surreal.
The police shooting at Chaos in the beginning have some of my favorite janky line reads of all time xD
After watching you play through Dark Souls 1 and 2, I think this is the first episode I've ever heard you swear.
I am amused.
Dan and I have the same Steven Universe background art so I got really confused for a minute.
4:42 Dan swears, and even Sonic is shocked.
eggman's va is the late Deem Bristow for this to heroes
"cartoon-ass characters" is not something I expected to hear from Dan lol. I know that this video is very old, but I just needed to know where your love-hate relation to sonic came from.
Really, you know the cheese is real when you hear Dan swear
I call this game a beautiful mess, it's so bad and so good in many different ways, it's worth a full analysis from the opening cutscene to the "true ending" of the whole game. It's also a pretty interesting way to see SEGA's transition from cute hedgehog to edgey fun for all ages.
the running with your arms stretched out behind you i think is a japanese anime thing
Funny you mentioned Jim Cummings. His was Eggman/Robotnik voice actor in Sonic SatAM.
This is going to be even better than the Game Grumps playthrough.
Oh boy. I was *really* taken by this game when I first saw it as a kid-I only got the DX release on GCN, so this was after I was very much exposed to 3D games on the N64-but looking back on it 20 years later, holy *hell* this is rough.
I think one of the things that really captured my attention as a kid was Chaos's movement and melting into a puddle, as well as the concept of Chaos as a villain. I definitely remember remarking on the fact that Sonic's run animation was a little... slippery, though. I guess all the floors in this game are freshly waxed. Yes, even the asphalt and concrete.
(Hi, 2017 Dan! I'm just here watching old videos because I needed more Dan and Dan/Carrie shenanigans, so I went scrolling. =V )
Oh wow I remember playing Sonic Adventure 1 way after it's golden days and I remember it looking kinda awkward
But looking at it critically now is just... amazing
Xcog
It really isn't.
Xcog You mixed up the placement of awkward and amazing
Guys, I'm sure that was the joke :P
Like you say something is amazing when it's really bad (cause it's so bad it's funny).
LeeLemon008 The game grumps did a playthrough of this game. I recommend watching a best of compilation , they're hilarious (and also show how bad most of the game is"
LucianoThePig
How bad is the game?
I know your not doing this for playing the game, but look around during the stages you'll find extra lives and power ups (or whatever they are called)
"Slow down Sonic."
Do you know Sonic at all?
I think for your purposes, the most important difference is that the character models and shading were changed. Sonic, for example, did not have individual fingers on the dreamcast version.
Oh, and the facial animations in this game are so weird because they only had a few facial expressions that they'ed swap between. That wasn't that uncommon a tool in those days, but they seem to have been limited by how many they could use or something, because many of them are reused from mid level circumstances.
Oh, and I've heard from people who modify SADX that the game barely fucking runs.
Don't want to add even more to your list, but I want to mention that LEGO Dimensions has impressed me with their version of Sonic animations. You should see that Spin Dash!
Wow, never thought I'd hear Dan drop an F-bomb.
"So pressing buttons was my mistake." And just like like that, Dan has shown one of the MANY issues with early 3D Sonic. :)
QueenFiria No. He was shown one of the many bugs from this TERRIBLE port. On the Dreamcast version, you just speed right through there. I've done it a thousand times. It controls exactly like you would expect it to. The DX port screwed up the collision or something, so that you can pass over the speed boost thing and go through the railing.
Dan, Jim Cummings did voice Dr Eggman in one of the cartoons, but in SA1 and SA2, he was voiced by the late Deem Bristow.
For me, the best 3D sonic graphics and animation wise was Sonic Adventure 2, until Sonic Colors came around. Seeing you playing this is pretty nostalgic.
Is it just me or every new series starts with hello, my name is dan and this is "game"
except the ones with will and battle of the dans (WHICH I TOTALLY PREDICTED THAT DAN WOULD WIN)
I think they did the whole "Sonic in a realistic looking world" thing right in Sonic Unleashed since all the human characters also looked very cartoony.
"And we have robotnik, from inside a phone booth"
4:45 I almost passed out cause I was laughing so hard!!!
Did you mean the plocie cars or Dan's cussing?
Either way, I was *_SO_* tired from lack of sleep and as soon as this came up, the timing at 4:37 was so amazing that I was amazed I didn't slip and fall on my chair from laughing so hard.
Hypeathon I was already laughing since "This hurts a bit", then the police cars got me staring wide eyed and when he cussed I just lost it. This is now one of my favourite videos on the Internet.
Dan, if you can get ahold of it, I would recommend playing Sonic Jam's Sonic World briefly for comparison to this. That section of the game was based on a Saturn beta they had of this game at the time, and oddly the animation of Sonic is generally much better, and because it all takes place in a Green Hill Zone kind of place, the art direction is very uniform.
chaos is where the whole animation budget went
Dan's reactions here are hilarious, especially since they are so unique coming from him.
No offense. But Sega managed to pull off Sonic in Earth at Sonic Unleashed.
Soooooo.....
I looked it up; Robotnik was voiced by Deem Bristow, who also did Meshif from Act 2 in Diablo II. He's dead now :p
What I learned from this: Hedgehogs don't float.
I literally don't think I've ever heard Dan swear before.
you have no idea how hard im trying not to defend every little thing...but i know this game was in fact an art direction nightmare
Wow... I never saw the slow route before. I'm one of the people who prefer this game to the later installments: it was my jumping point into the series. I do like the older titles too, but the actual "game" part of sonic adventure 1 was still just as good. The first level was one of the highlights but so was the mountain stage and the city stage. The final level had an appropriate build up with the music.
Other stages... remind me of marble hill zone from the first sonic game.
I wonder how long until the rabid Sonic defense force come in and mucks up the place.
Alpharius
Or not?
I tried playing this game today on the ps4, and it glitched me through the path and died, a few times, and the second loop killed me and I gave up. That experience brought me here
Kinda love when you get a peak at someones desktop like that, love the background, and I feel your pain (I'm assuming) at having to install Origin
Examining the character animations of a 3D Sonic game is an interesting choice; I'd say that the designers put more thought and attention towards level design, considering how many sweeping camera angles and zoomed-out shots there are. Still, I look forward to Dan's examination of the game, and sincerely hope that he sticks around long enough to analyse fish motion.
3:30 oh god after all these years im noticing how sonic's legs are going through his stomach in thi running animation oh lord XP
(-long time sonic fan regardless :P)
sonic games look a lot better when you're playing them the way they're intended to to be played
Watching him platform across the pond was agony itself.
If it wasn't intended it wouldn't have been realeased.