Canon R6 vs R7 - There's a lot to talk about here! (Sensor, MP, Rolling Shutter, and more!)
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
1:07 Design And Ease of Use
5:46 Image Quality
8:10 Autofocus
17:05 Image Stabilisation
18:33 Drive Speed and Rolling Shutter
26:59 Video Quality
31:59 Price and Lenses
34:26 Conclusion 
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Thank you for another wonderful video, Mathieu! I no longer shoot with Canon cameras, but enjoyed your comprehensive testing of these cameras. Thank you for sharing your knowledge & findings with the photographic community. Best wishes.😊🙏
I'm probably not a typical case. But I shot with an R5 for a year, mostly small birds, not much In-flight. Loved it, although I struggled for reach. I then rented the R7 and started killing it ! Ordered my own before I even returned the rental. A month later I picked up my R5 (because I felt guilty leaving a $4K camera sitting on my dresser). Didn't enjoy it, nor did I do near as well (as many keepers) with it as I get with the R7. So I sold my R5 to get "another" R7 plus the RF 100-400, and a few other peripherals. My most used lens in my RF 800 F11. At a 1280mm equivalent, on the crop sensor R7, I'm finally getting enough reach most of the time :) So far as I know, the R7 has a higher pixel density (more pixels on your subject) than any other camera from Canon, Nikon, or Sony. This is the single most important factor to me. For my uses, the holy grail would be the R7 with Global shutter, and a much larger buffer.
Excellent comparison with lots of pictures to demonstrate the point. It answers all my questions and covers a lot of areas that I had never thought of before. THANKS!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks, Mathieu: A phenomenally detailed review, well beyond the standard anecdotal comparisons. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it, as I recently wrestled with the decision to buy an R7 over a full-frame R model for mostly bird and wildlife photography. And given the trade-offs you highlight, I'm happy with my choice of the R7. I admit that I am less troubled by the rolling shutter, since I find the mechanical 15 frames per second to be more than enough even for birds in flight. And the buffer limits are not unreasonable, especially given the price point. While it's a subjective call that depends on where you rank individual features, I think the R7 has real advantages for birds and wildlife.
The one thing I might add is how happy I am with the Canon RF 100-500 mm (L), which makes for a phenomenal birding combination. If you can manage the price, the dual focus motors are accurate and responsive, the lens IS synchronizes nicely with the R7's IBIS, and the image quality is simply breathtaking. And at 3 lbs, it compares favourably with the Sigma 150-600C (4.7 lbs) that it replaced.
Keep up the good work.
Thank you for the kind words.
I agree with your about the RF 100-500mm, it's a stellar performer.
What a well-done and thorough review and comparison. Thank you Mathieu!
Thank you so much for mentioning eye relief for people who wear spectacles all the time,this is a deal breaker for me.I was on the fence between the R7,R6 and R and I’m now swayed toward the R6.
You are welcome, I wear my glasses all the time so I know this can be useful for other photographers that do the same.
This is the most complete comparison I've seen so far and I've seen a lot. You reviewed what is important to most of us and not just the nice to have features mostly described by others. I personally own both cameras, but for different reasons than nature photography. I mostly shoot weddings, portraits, family, outside or in the studio and I needed a backup camera with RF mount, two cards for backup and at the time, with a lower price than a second R6. My only concern was with the noise of the R7 at higher ISO in low-light situations. Fortunately, I did find a very good software to tackle this problem.
Merci beaucoup pour cette excellente comparaison, aux plaisirs de vous suivre lors de vos autres vidéos!
Merci! Which software do you use?
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Topaz DeNoise! It does a fantastic job.
Explained in simplest way possible ,great work
Thanks a lot!
Very good comparisons and comments. Thank you, Mathieu!
Sehr differenzierter Beitrag, danke. Wenn man allerdings den rolling shutter vermeiden will, hat man also die Wahl zwischen 20 fps bei der R6 und 16 fps bei der R7? Kann man nicht auch aus Videos Einzelbilder extrahieren? Was die Objektive angeht, ist die R7 von den Preisen und vom Gewicht her günstiger, geht man nicht in den professionellen Bereich. Von den Problemen, den Fokus zu halten, berichten andere nicht. Kann man bei der R7 mit einer niedrigeren Auflösung vielleicht besser arbeiten? Welche Objektive halten bei den 32 MP mit?
So do You think is it possible to do for example travel vlog handheld with this camera Camon R7? Or there will be too much rolling shutter and jelly effect ?
A very nice comparison and very informative for someone like me. I'm planning to upgrade from a Canon EOS M5 to an R7 or R6. I'd love to have either of those cameras, but based on my needs/skills, your review, and the constant advice I hear about investing in good lenses, I might just stick with the M5 for now and instead buy a few used EF lenses. By the time I have a set of decent lenses, who knows? Maybe there'll be an R7 Mark 2 by then or better prices on the R6.
Thanks for the information. Liked and subbed.
So, which one will be better for bird photography, bif, shooting in the woods, some landscapes and some portraits, which one will be more versatile?
Excellent Review as usual... Sad that you didn't included af Test for bif with the mechanical shutter, I was really curious to see what would be the keeper rate and also his behaviour vs the e-shutter
Keeper rate with the mechanical shutter at 15fps was 70% (green) / 86% (blue). Obviously you don’t have any rolling shutter problem and the buffer is a bit better, so that can be a good plan B if you’re happy with the speed.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons The Speed is more then enought! I guess If put an EF Lens in the mix, the keeper rate goes even under... thanks for the kind reply :)
I own now the 600D. Plan to have the R7. Is it also quite good for mikly way pics?
Good Video review, although you said that the R6 benefits from the multiple software updates which helped its autofocus. The R7 has been out for a few months, and to date is the highest res. Aps-c that Canon has on the market. I do think that a majority of the shortcommings that you identify will be worked out with time, feedback, and subsequent updates which may even out preform the R6 in the near future. It would be nice to have you gain more experience with the R7 as you also said that you are very familiar with the R6. I'd like to see an updated video review after living with the R7 for at least a year. New subscriber and I'm very excited I found your channel. Great format, and composition.
Thank you for subscribing. I still haven't sold the R7, I'll probably make more comparisons with it in the future so let's see what firmware updates it will get. Probably won't solve the rolling shutter, but we might get other things. Fingers crossed!
Great video. Very informative. I was thinking to buy R6 or R7 and I didn't know which one is better. R7 has focus stacking in camera - that is useful to me, better stabilisation in video and photo and less overheating in video.
Glad I could help!
A very good comprehensive review 👍
AN EXCELLENT VIDEO AND VERY EDUCATIONAL I VERY APPRECIATE YOUR INFORMATION ABOUT THESE TWO CAMERA I WAS TRYING TO SEE WHICH I DECIDED FOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
Thank you, glad it was helpful!
Please do a video comparison between canon eos r7 +100-500 and fuji xh2s+150-600 for bird photography.
Best technical review on the platform, as always! 👍
Much appreciated!
An excellent and thorough review. Thank you!
I do wildlife photography so the extra magnification from a crop sensor + the higher megapixel count are the two main factors that lean me towards the R7. But the R6 has better buffer and better low light capabilities, so I'm very on the fence about it. If anyone reading this have any insightful knowledge that could help me decide between these two, please comment!
They are both great cameras. I have them both. Really liking the R7 for the extra reach with wildlife and especially birds. Shot in C-Raw and either mechanical or 15fps electronic shutter (H) I have not had any issues with the buffer. One of the charms of this camera is the size and light weight, perfect for hiking and walking around, so lack of a vertical grip is not an issue IMO.
rent the cameras over a weekend that you can dedicate to side by side comps
@@mikedimimd what if someone can't rent
@@wasil3k Just buy the R7 with some decent glass, stop over analyzing and just get out and take photos. I’m still using my old 20D and still getting great results in most landscape shoots. Have fun and just use the equipment at hand. By far the most important factor in shooting great photos is the individual behind the viewfinder !!
Get r5
Hi Mathieu, Thanks for the detailed explanation it was so helpful. I am not a professional photographer and I am trying to upgrade after 10years. I have the Canon 600D with 18-55 and 55-250 lenses. The low light performance is pathetic on the 600D so I thought of buying a full frame but I realize that my lenses wouldn't work with the full frame R6. I don't prefer to buy a crop sensor again but considering my existing lenses I am drawn towards the R7. I cannot afford two cameras and I am confused now.
Can you suggest - if I buy the R6 Mark II and use my existing lenses with an adapter will I be losing any of the features the camera has to offer?
You can use your lenses with the 1.6x crop (APS-C crop) on the R6 and R6 II. Not sure about the features you would loose, I would have to double check this with some time or on the manual to give you a complete list but, for example, 4K 50p is still available with the crop on my R6 (I just checked quickly now).
Great video!!! Did you try the R7 in first curtain to try and remove rolling shutter?
Thank you. I tested the mechanical and electronic shutter. The max. speed with the electronic first curtain is the same as the full mechanical mode (15fps), so no real advantage with the 1st curtain mode (when it comes to fast moving subjects).
thank you Mathieu , a super useful video, as always ... still waiting for your Fuji X-H2 (possibly vs X-H2s) review for wildlife and BIF especially. Thanks again !
Thank you. Hoping to test the X-H2 soon, but realistically it will probably be in January.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons no hurry, January is fine, thanks Mathieu and Merry Christmas !
I have both. I use the R7 with the Sigma 150-600 C for bird and action nature. I use the R6 with the 16-35 f4 for real estate and landscape. Yes both have limitations and advantages. If Canon created the perfect camera why would you buy another camera in the future. Your review is one of the best i've seen and I have seen many. New subscriber here.
Thank you!
How's the Sigma AF performance with the R7?
Thank you. I just purchased a R7 today. Offcourse after a long research.
My final list were Sony A7M3, Sony A7c, Sony A6600. (Limiting factor was the budget)
And finally ended up in this R7. Dont know its a good decision or not.
The R7 has a lot of nice features, I'm sure you will get great things out of it. Which lens(es) do you have?
Hi Matthieu - great video. Has the Focus hit rate improved with the subsequent firmware upgrades for the EOS R7??
I haven’t tested the camera again, so far there hasn’t been any firmware update with specific AF improvements.
Hi, thanks you for this video ! i'm french sport photographer amateur, so my english is not very good.
i want ask you a question, the pre-shooting option in raw burst mode work with electronical shutter for saving last 0.5sec images, but can we activate it and using a basic mechanical shutter for images taked when after the button is pressed ?
So mechanical shutter configured in my settings, with eventually the pre-shooting option activated just in case for saving the 0.5s before ? is it possible or we need to use completely the electronical shutter all the time for possibility to using this feature ?
Thanks a lot for your answer, i need to know this precision 🙏
Very informative video, thanks you mate.
No you can’t, it’s electronic shutter only.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons thanks you very much. bummer 😞
Thanks , you have made up my mind for me , I will either go for a good priced R6 , or a new R6 mk 2 , very informative video .
Great review as always Mathieu. By the way, did you experienced any shutter shock issues when using the R7?
No I didn’t. Are you having issues with it?
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I'm not really sure, since I only test the R7 for a couple of hours on a boat for photographing terns and frigate birds. I admitted that I wasn't try to configure the camera settings too much back then 😅. As I remember I was only using AF Case between 2 or 3 and using MS all time instead of ES to avoid distortion. When reviewing the photos I noticed there were trace of blur in the photos I've taken and it was on 1/1000 sec shutter speed (the bird was perching). I find it really strange since it's not the first time I'm doing that. My own camera is R5 and the minimum shutter speed I usually used while in boat is 1/1000 sec for perching bird. Well, since you could produce great result I think it was more on the user error side 😅
Hi Mathieu, Thank you for the comprehensive review. I purchased the RF 100-500 for my R6 M1 after being disappointed by the RF 800mm f11 in some situations. But now I need more reach for small birds. On your opinion, what is the best solution between a 1.4x extender on the R6 and a new R7?
Well, the R7 would give you slightly more reach in terms of angle of view thanks to the APS-C crop factor, but it's mainly the 32MP sensor that can come in handy to get a bit of extra reach, when cropping in post. Obviously, the R7 is more expensive to buy in comparison to the extender, so you also have to understand if a second body is a good solution for you or not. What didn't convince you about the 800mm F11?
Thank you for your answer. I went to a safari with the 800mm F11 and my old 100-400 EF 5.6 I and I got better pictures with the older one despite the crop. I don’t know if it is because of the backlight situations or if I am too shaky and the IS is not working that great or is malfunctioning.
Some nice, practical tests.
Merçi
I agree with your eval. It just comes down to budjet. I'm going to upgrade from a 60D and have L glass ef lenses to start with. I was looking at the R8 but the small body/battery slowed me down and DXO pureraw will handle most issues.! On the R7
Let me know how you find the R7!
Dear Mathiew, love from India. I have become a fan of you. The main reason for this is, your detailing about a product with realistic compsrison is verymuch accurate. I wish to know why cant you create videos to suggest best cameras/ lenses for various situations for eg... general photography ( travel / night ) bird , wildlife , wedding etc ? Coz if you open youtube most of the videos are brand centric and biased. In this case your selfless study and suggestion will be highly aprreciated 😊
Thank you for the kind comment, and the suggestion. I'll keep it mind!
Shot basketball action with R7 here, it is quite amusing migration for me from Canon DSLR, one point to emphasize the burst shot do helps a lot, but it need some practice especially the H+ drive mode
still waiting for more lenses or cheaper third party lenses to try !
Thank you for the feedback. Which lens did you use for the basketball game?
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons still use a 50mm RF one, because in my place we dont have any quite proper court, so we can move up close to the court, saving up to get a 85mm RF tho
Tremendously informative video. Thanks for the hard work and thorough review. I will be buying a second R6 over a R7
Glad it was helpful!
this is a great video, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Would both these cameras be good in your kit to compliment each other? The R7 is clearly better for action sports and wildlife, where the R6 would work better for say dimly lit indoor events and portraits. They both do use the same battery which is helpful, and as of the posting of this comment, there are huge sales on that generation of cameras (R6, R5, and R3).
Mathieu, great review. Thank you!
Great stuff here, and so much food for thought. I've been happily in the Canon DSLR camp since my purchase of a 300D over 20 years ago now. I find myself leaning towards adding a mirrorless to my bag, and I'm really on the fence between the R6.2 and the R7. In my DSLRs, I have full-frame (1DX Mk III) and APS-C (7D Mk 2, 20D, and that old 300D, which is too much of an old friend for me to ever dump).
Both R-cameras have a lot of good things going for them. I don't shoot video at all, only stills, although at this point in time, it seems that any good-quality camera is going to have all sorts of video capabilities that aren't really important to me. If I go with the R7, it's quite a bit less expensive, which would mean I could put money towards an RF lens. OTOH, if I go with the R6.2, my current lenses will work perfectly well. With the exception of an old Tokina 19-35 and a Sigma 150-600 Contemporary which is going to be my Christmas present (my wife gets a new bathroom, I get a lens 🤣), all of my glass is Canon EF or EF-S. I've discovered that it's completely viable to use something like my 100-400 II with a 1.4x converter on an R-camera using the EF > RF adapter. Honestly, it may come down to a coin flip. Thanks for posting this!
The R6 II is a brilliant camera, one of the best full frame you can find at the moment in my opinion. It has a better EVF, better AF, faster drive speed and faster sensor readout than the R7. Of course, I understand the significant difference in price. Let me know which one you choose in the end.
I don't know how people accidentally change settings on cameras. I've shot Nikon, Canon & Fuji & have never accidentally bumped something or changed anything I didn't intend to.
Soooooooo good video, thanks a lot, new suscriber here, i bought the R7 as a second body for my R5 and im very pleased.
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying the camera.
17.15 The Magic Lantern Cinema - what a pleasant surprise! Do you live in that part of the world, or were you just visiting? Shame about the R7: I like the spec and the price, but when reviewers point out all the compromises like this I think maybe I should look elsewhere. What's the point of 30fps if the read speed is too slow and the images are going to be distorted?
Yes I live close by. It’s a great cinema!
Great review
Great informative video. You help me. I have to choose the R7 because of the unlimited video feature
Glad I could help. Let me know how you find the camera!
Great video Mathieu! As always you certainly did a lot of work on this. I have both the R6 and the R7 plus an OM-1. I have used all 3 for many thousands of bird photos. I love the IQ of the R7 and AF of the OM-1. I really would love to settle on a single system. So far I cannot. The decision would have been easy had Canon released APS-C body with a faster sensor, better EVF and buffer. I would have happily paid R6 money for that. When it works properly the R7 and the RF100-500 can provide awesome IQ with 800mm equivalent reach. For the R6 that lens is a bit short for birds. With the OM-1 I am using the PL 100-400 with good results but nothing near the IQ of the R7. I have thought about selling all my Canon gear and just buy M43 lenses but I worry that OM Systems may not be in it for the long haul. For now I will wait.
Thanks Rod. It's not an easy decision, I understand. Have you had the chance to try the 300mm F4 Pro? It's a great match for the OM-1 and the F4 apertures helps a lot. That is if you like the idea of the fixed focal length.
I can only hope Canon will release a more advanced APS-C camera in the future. The R7 had great potential.
I have not tried it yet. I rented one locally but when I went to pick it up they couldn’t locate it in the store. They said that they’d contact me when it showed up and after a month or so I still haven’t heard from them.
Hi Mathieu, I am bit confused about mirrorless camera
Which one should I buy is it CANON EOS R7 or CANON EOS R6 or CANON EOS R ?
Would you please suggest
What do you want to photograph? Portraits, wildlife, sports etc?
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons actually i want to shoot portrait , sports photography and food photography and little streets video.. basically looking for mixed.
I want to shoot city , action etc
Print it on A2…
R7 good enough?
Really good video!
Such a great video. It helped me a lot for taking a decision. Yet I find myself skeptical about the stabilization on the R7 working better (a lot better IMHO based on your tests) than the R6. Did you actually used the same settings?. Thanks for this great and depth analysis.
Thank you, glad the video was useful for you.
Not sure if you're talking stills or video concerning the stabilisation. For photos, the R7 is not a lot better than the R6, have a look at the table again. It does offer a higher keeper rate at 1s and 1/2s, but it's not night and day. Perhaps it's because the IBIS mechanism is smaller, perhaps the camera's software is a bit more precise, being more recent. There can be more than on answer I think, and that can be true for video as well I suppose.
And yes, of course, I used the same settings.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons many thanks for answering, I was specifically referring to the video tests you used for showing the in body stabilization, looks like it performs quite better on the r7, don't you think? Getting rid of the gimbal in our family outings is a plus... But you are probably right, the IBIS and the fact of being a 2y more recent camera and software must be the difference.
Hi Mathieu, thank you for this comparison. I'm not really a bif person but more the take photo's on what comes on my path type of guy. I'm struckling which of the 2 to buy. If you were to choose between a new R7 with 18-150 €1500 and a used R6 with 24-105 kitlens €1800. Which would you choose?
The R7 combo gives you more zoom range, so if you'd like to be ready for anything that come accross your path, including distant subjects, the R7 sounds like the better option.
The R6 + 24-105mm will give you better quality, especially in low light. But with the money you save by buying the R7, you could add a fast prime lens later, if you do more stuff in low light conditions for example.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Thanks for your advise Mathieu. Is the DR of the R7 good enough to recover shadows you think?
It's good if you recover about 2 stops / 2 stops and a half, then noise becomes more invasive.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Thanks again Mathieu. Just bought the R7 with the kitlens to start with. Probably will buy the 24-105 f4 later on. Or the 100-400
Thanks. Very useful material. Would be very interesting to compare Canon R6 with Nikon Z50 in terms of image quality. From what I've seen on online comparison tools, Z50 is a king of APSC in terms of image quality and especially - exposure latitude (in fact it beats some full frames as well), so would be very interesting to see if this test environment advantage shows itself in real life.
If you're into lab results & controlled tests, then perhaps. I've learnt that IQ in real life situations don't always match what is claimed by dp review, dxomark & the likes. I do not for one second believe the Z50 is so much better than the rest & I'm a Nikon user.
You did mention the difference of skin tones, where the the R6 is more reddish, but who was more accurate to your skin?
Overall, I’d say the R7 was more accurate.
Thank you Mathieu for the great job as usal, I am afraid you are almost the only one on youTube to say the truth about the R7 severe and painful limitations, most others are content to simply be ecstatic without ever mentioning the defects of the Canon....:-)
Thank you. I saw another video highlighting the problem of the rolling shutter on the R7, from Duade Paton.
I disagree. Several things covered in this video do not match my experience with the camera. This review seems more like a review from someone unfamiliar with the camera.
@@cooloox care to be more specific?
@@cooloox I must agree with you. When he talked about the focus changing subjects there is a setting to stop that. Sorry but disappointed with him not knowing this and a few other things too.
@Doug sorry but you’re wrong, I always try all the settings available when doing my tests.
Pentax Q7
Panasonic Lumix GM1
Panasonic Lumix GM5
Olympus E-PL5
Olympus stylus 1
Sorry to bother you with so many models to your way I just wanted to ask for an expert opinion hope you can help me as I'm not aware much of what to get just some basic need for a hobby and the selection above is what I narrowed it down, just wanted to know which one of then are more compact and fun to use
Would really appreciate it
Other then this what is your self opinion on which I have not mentioned above ?
I would forget about the Pentax Q7, very small sensor and the line-up has been discontinued.
The stylus 1 has a great zoom range, but it is a compact camera with, again, a small sensor. That said I haven't tested it so can't comment on how good or bad it is.
Between the two Panasonic, the GM5 is more interesting because it has a viewfinder.
Both the GM5 and E-PL5 have a larger sensor than the Q7 and Stylus 1, so you'll get better image quality. The GM5 is interesting because of its compact dimensions as well. These are interchangeable lens cameras, so in the future you can add a few lens to your bag, like a nice wide-angle or a fast lens for portraits for example.
what is the intro music ? by the way amazing review
Thanks! This is the intro music:
elements.envato.com/background-piano-synthpop-GMKRYW9
Can’t help thinking this is a strange comparison as the R7 was less than half the price recently in the Black Friday sales than the R6. They’re aimed at totally different markets. Personally I bought the R7 to replace my 5 year old G9 that’s taken a few hundred thousand photos. As a body I see this as an upgrade in almost every single way except the full size hdmi port. 15fps mechanical shutter is nothing to be sneezed at. As for lenses, time will tell. An adapter for now opens up a range of options.
Don’t forget we’re on the internet, where you can find comparisons between iPhones and Medium Format cameras, or Red cameras. Suddenly mine doesn’t look too bad! 😉
Joke aside, I did it because it seems lots of people are interested in these two cameras. My article version is one of the most visited since the R7 came out.
Its now 1350/ 1900 £ for r7/r6 respectively,levelling the playing field relatively speaking.
I was looking forward to this just to eliminate the R7 completely from my wish list just because I have EF lenses, there is a lot going for it in terms of pixels on birds same sort of reach advantage as using M4/3. Fuji and OM both with the stacked sensors are way more usable in E-shutter mode to take advantage of the higher rates. The R6II is a looking amazing if you want to get into the ripp-off R mount system especially for us in the UK, giving us occasional large cash back offers doesn't cut it. Great review as I also love bird photography.
Thank you. Yeah, the R6 II is really expensive in the UK. I like the specs of the camera, but I'll wait until it's available to rent.
You can get the Canon Speedbooster to put EF lenses on the R7 and it gives you more "full frame" image and an extra stop of light.
It actually gives you even MORE options with the camera and your lenses when combined with a normal EF adapter.
@@luminari_productions Can you combine a speed booster with an ef lens adaptor?
@@redpillnibbler4423 Why would you do that? It adapts EF lenses already.
Bonjour Mathieu, merci pour tout le travail que vous fournissez sur cette chaîne 👍Pour compléter mon 90D j'hésite entre le R7, le X-H2S et le GH6, d'ailleurs avez vous prévu un test du GH6 ? il n'y aucune revue intéressante sur RUclips pour la photo animalière ...
J'aimerais bien testé le GH6 mais c'est un peu difficile de le mettre en priorité pour l'instant, tenu compte des autres tests que je dois fair. J'ai peur que son AF à contraste ne soit pas au même niveau que les autres appareils, même si j'imagine qu'il soit meilleurs des produits précédents (GH5, G9).
Pour moi le X-H2S est meilleur que le R7. L'autofocus donne des résultats équivalents, mais le boîtier Fuji est nettement plus performant en ce qui concerne la vitesse de prise de vue, l'ergonomie, le viseur etc.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Merci beaucoup pour votre réponse
Thank you for your review of these two cameras. Your review helped me to eliminate the R7 for wildlife photography. I have a D500 & 500 PF and I am waiting to see if Nikon will introduce a smaller form Z9 (Z8) or a Z500 (?) which may be wishful thinking. The OM-1 or a possible Panasonic G9 replacement phase detect model with excellent eye detection (wishful thinking again) may be my best bet since I have an extensive PL lens kit. I think I better stay in the M43 or Nikon lane. Thanks again for your excellent review, it helped me a great deal.
Thank Gary, glad you find the review helpful. I would love to see a G9 with a good phase detection AF system, but it looks like Panasonic is moving away from m4/3 (I suspect they'll continue with the GH series only, although I'll be happy to be proven wrong).
Nikon has a chance here I think: a high end APS-C camera at a good price, the symbolic successor of the D500 with all the latest mirrorless technology could be a hit. Let's wait and see. So far, only Fujifilm is really pushing the boundaries of the APS-C format.
Never gonna happen. Panasonic hates money
I do wonder about the relatively new GH6 being priced this holiday season at a $500 reduction and if it may mean it is not selling as well as Panasonic had anticipated. I really like the 500 PF lens and would prefer the Z500 over any of my other potential options. Frankly the G9 and my PL lenses work wonderfully for travel and general photography and I only will entertain buying the OM-1 if Nikon doesn’t offer a Z500 type of camera as it is the superior phase autofocus and eye detection I am seeking. I also wonder if Panasonic will walk away from their full frame S line without an attempt to adopt a phase detect auto focusing system? Of course that doesn’t mean they will make a G9 replacement. Thanks again for your assistance.
is there any difference between r6 vs r6 mark ii in AF ?
I found a difference mainly in low light. My comparison here:
ruclips.net/video/HwMuS22Ly0Q/видео.html
Great job
Great comparison and very thorough. I’m very disappointed with the results of the R7 for birds in flight. I wonder if the R10 may be better as it has less MP and no IBIS. Sometimes simpler can work better. Have you tested the R10 for BIF yet or do you have plans to do so?
Hi Martin, I have not tested the R10 yet, and I don't have plans for now but I'll see what I can do.
What is better for pet photography?
Great comparison with the R6. It really is a shame for the R7 with the 30 fps drive speed but its implementation is quite limited. Any chance to test a Z9 ?
Z9 coming this week! 😊
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons Looking forward to it. Right now, I am comparing it to the OM-1 which I also own for wildlife photography. Interesting to see which one is better for birds in flight.
For practical purposes 30fps is merchandising hype on the R7, but I have found 15 fps, both electronic when needed, and mechanical is plenty. I have not had any buffer issues yet. The buffer is larger than on the 7d. It's a massive upgrade from the 7d ii. I have found the autofocus quite impressive. It may not be quite as sticky as the R6, but it's a $1500.00 camera!! It puts a ton of pixels on subject (more than the R5!) That gives you the ability to crop heavily in addition to the extra "reach" of the APS-C!
A truly superb, well balanced review
I wish you every success
Thank you, really appreciate it!
The price gap between R6 and R7 is now nearly halved. The R8 is only slightly more expensive than R7. This is probably a more direct competitor to R7. Personally I will pick R8 because of less rolling shutter, better AF, and better PQ in less than ideal conditions. R7 is more suitable for those who need 2 card slots, good battery performance, and reach.
Another great video, Matthieu. An interesting comparison. The R7, compared with my decision to purchase the X-H2S (and stay in the Fuji family) is not for me. The rolling shutter and the poor buffer depth would put me off. Also, the rear combined joystick and control ring looks fiddly and frankly bizarre. It is a shame. I had hoped by now that both Nikon and Canon would have wooed me away from Fuji and back into one of their systems (I was a Nikon shooter for years but was so fed up with their lack of movement on mirrorless that I went to Panasonic and then Fuji). Sure, if money were no object the Z9 or the R3 would be ideal but for the moment I am happy to spend my somewhat constrained budget with Fuji and can't see a reason to swap to Canon.
Thanks. I hope Nikon gives a chance to the DX format with something like a 'spiritual' successor of the D500. That camera, despite being 6 years old now, seems to remain one of wildlife photographers' favourite.
thank you for this video where you talk about using the camera dont just read specs from an autocue. You have helped kill my desire for an r7 as an r6 owner.
Glad to hear it was helpful! Thanks for commenting.
thanks
I had the R6 with the RF 100-400mm lens and had lock up and overheating issues especially in video. Sent it to Canon and they were of no help. To me the R6 was the worst camera I've ever
owned and I've owned a lot of cameras. I sold the R6 and bought an R7. I mainly shoot wildlife including BIF and the total experience with the R7 is much better than the R6. The rolling
shutter is an issue and Canon should have done better with sensor readout and buffer depth. Your video is the best comparison of these cameras that I've seen I just don't agree with your
praise of the R6.
I never had lock ups with my R6, and I did much more photography than video, so that’s probably why I have a different opinion about it. Overheating is a real problem, that’s why I can’t really recommend it for video work.
How do you feel about Canon R6 Mark ll?
I like it on paper: it seems to address a few issues of the original model (overheating mainly) while improving the overall speed and performance. I hope to test it soon. Shame the price has gone up though.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I use an old Canon 6D DSLR so I'm guessing any mirrorless at this point would be an upgrade. However I was thinking of upgrading to this or jumping ship to the Sony A7IV. Any opinions on the matter?
I made an in-depth comparison between the R6 and A7 IV, here are the links:
- Part 1 (Photography): ruclips.net/video/9GnMdLqjZI0/видео.html
- Part 2 (Video): ruclips.net/video/R3M2G88q3hs/видео.html
I'm not familiar with the 6D, but I'm pretty sure you'll find many improvements with the R6 or R6 II.
Sony cameras are quite different, but they deliver when it comes to image quality and performance and, today, one of the main advantage is the vast choice of lenses (Sony, third party brands, high and low budget etc).
Lenses, actually, might be one of the main argument for you: how many EF lenses do you have, and do you want to keep using them? You can adapt EF lenses on the R6 and A7 IV, but you'll have a faster AF performance if you stay with Canon.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons I only have 2 EF lenses that I own & use. I know I can adapt them very well to the R 6 Mark II with great result I have heard. However, the 24 mega pixels is only 2 more that my 6D. I also realize that all of the mirror less technology has vastly improved the experience including auto focus tracking. With Sony there are more 3rd party lenses options at a cheaper cost & the more mega pixel is only appealing when cropping. This is why decision is so hard. Obviously if I had all the money in the world it wouldn't bother me, but because this will be a mid range camera investment for the next 5 to 10 years I want to make the right choice.
I understand completely. Sony has been ahead in the mirrorless market for a long time, but Canon has closed the gap significantly with the R5 and R6 (and the R3 is a marvel), so they're heading in the right direction. Even their sensors have made significant progress. Staying with Canon means you'll be familiar with the controls, the menu, and I personally prefer the overall ergonomics of the R6. I'm fine using the A7 IV, but not everybody likes the design (obviously it will take some time to get used to it, quite different than Canon).
With autofocus, they are on the same level now.
More megapixels can be useful but it's not the thing I would personally prioritise, excluding specific applications. That said, Sony has certainly reached a nice spot with the A7 IV, it's a perfect balance of high resolution and good high ISO performance.
Sony has the advantage of the lenses as we said. The new Canon RF lenses are excellent, but the choice is not as complete as Sony yet, and some of them are quite expensive (obviously, if we include the EF lenses in the mix, it's a different story). Also, it is unclear when Canon will allow third party brands like Sigma or Tamron to produce RF lenses.
If you get the chance (depending on where you live), go to a camera store, or perhaps a Sony day if you live in a big city, get some first impressions of the A7 IV and see how you like it. That can be a good first step.
If the R6 beats out the R7, then it’s safe to say the new R6 ii will as well?
Yes, I think it's safe to say so. I would be surprise if it didn't.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons If no price concern and mainly for bird photography paired with RF 100-500, would you recommend the new R6 II over the R7 even though the latter has extra reach and more resolution?
If the R7 and R6 would be existing in times without AI and highly sophisticated denoising software, i would definately go for the R6 (II) or R8 and its low light and shadow recovery performance, but considering how good modern software performs, like Topaz Video AI for video denoising, upscaling etc and DxO PureRaw for photos which combine very good profiles for most cameras and lenses with AI denoising (performs noticable better than Topaz AI for photos)
One of my best wildlife shots i made with the EOS R7 and ISO 16.000 (Auto ISO) . I had like 1/640 SS to freeze the stationary, jumpy birds better. Despite the "ugly" raw image, Topaz Denoise AI made a great job already, but trying DxO PureRAW (version 2 these days) was even better and it looked so detailed and realistic, yet the noise was nearly completely gone except for some small parts where the color shifted a bit (or its for real the birds color)
So in short: noise isnt really an issue anymore with modern, somewhat "good" cameras. R7 is basically a professional APS-C crop camera with some cripple hammer dents as canon always does.
I agree about denoising in post, especially for photos. To be honest the ISO tests have become realy boring for me. I do them for the sake of doing them, but I found other aspects of cameras much more interesting to explore.
I think this was a rather good review, but i have some thoughts about how to do similar comparisons better in the future:
1. Do the AF-tests and hit rates with the same angle of view.
2. Do the Stabilisation the same way (Maybe you did?)
3. Make a reach comparison with the same angle of view, maybe with a 100% look and an upscaling with, for example topaz gigapixel, of the lower resolution image.
4. Try to compare AF hit rate with lenses witch have got the same angle of view and the same brightness/speed/f number (can´t figure out the right expression right now)
För what it´s worth i must mention that I´ve done some comparisons between R7+rf100-100 and OM-1+300/4 on flying/rapidly moving birds, and i have had a way better hit rate with the cheaper Canon set up in most occasions (not those when the canon setup refused to focus because the lack of an AF-limiter on the RF 100-400).
Superbe vidéo comme toujours, je peux confirmer que j'ai beaucoup de problèmes avec le rolling shutter du r7 .L'autofocus fonctionne bien mais le taux de réussite n'est pas a la hauteur du r6 et r5 . Bonne continuation et merci pour tous ce que vous faites.👍
Merci à toi pour le message!
A well thought out and presented comparison between the two cameras. I find myself wishing the R7 has been marketed as the R10 and the R3 had been engineered to be the new king of crop sensor cameras with all its tech intact. I found the R3 to have amazing ergonomics and with a 32-meg higher-end cropped sensor that would have been a camera worth a kidney swap.
Very interesting viewpoint and good comment, Bruce. I think they went with ‘R7,’ to tie in the lineage with the 7dMark ii? I really wonder sometimes how these manufacturers stagger the
Model numbers all over the place!? Take care
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that what i think to buy a R6 ... when the R7 can go lower in dark ... whit my 100 500L canon thanks you
Megapixels of apsc are really not true, its actually half of it like if u have for example 40mp apsc, its actually 20mp. Reason why r7 lost to r6 in sharpness even at a perfect condition
Why isnt it true?
R7 has rolling shutter!
Спасибо, Матье.
Nice general comparison, but you barely touched on image quality. You didn't even demonstrate how they compare in good light. Is one sharper? Does the R7 capture more fine details with its extra MP? These are things people want to know. We all know FF will be cleaner in low light.
This is why watching RUclips reviewers should be taken as opinion only and not necessarily fact. I've had the R7 for over 2 months now and I absolutely love the placement of the new rear dial. I find it FAR more natural to reach than the rear dials of all my previous Canon cameras. I have never once touched the joystick by accident. Literally never. I noticed you are very awkward the way you use the rear dial. You only need to touch the right edge of the wheel, which is where your thumb naturally rests, but you went over to the left edge.
I'm very happy to report that I get a far better hit rate out of my R7 than you get out of yours. It does struggle with BIF against busy backgrounds, but otherwise it's fantastic. I rarely get an put of focus image.
Thank you for the comment but to say I’ve barely touched on image quality is unfair.
Let’s just say we have a different opinion about the R7. I'm glad it works well for you.
And, to respond to another comment of yours about me being “unfamiliar with the camera”, I own the R7 since it was released, which means I've tested it for a long time, not just a few days.
Decent reviews 👌
But the price for the R7 its umbettable
Your ISO comparisons are incorrect. You must apply the crop factor to the ISO as well.
Nonsense, the ISO comparison is correct. There is too much obsession about the crop factor, and you forget that once you’re out there in the real world, taking pictures with one camera or the other, you adjust your ISO based on your scene, the light, the exposure, not the “crop factor” of your camera versus another one.
Explain.
most of your tests are useless for real world shooters. no one under or overexposes 4 stops or does burst shooting in the dark..
Then look at the test with the two
stops instead! And by the way, the over-exposure test is not 4 stops.
@@MathieuGasquetMirrorLessons when i shoot clients i never go above 400 iso and i expose just right. Most photographers do. So in theory full frame cameras have an advantage but in real live it is irrelevant for most working guys. You have to do something really wrong to see the difference. For documentary or wedding shooters its probably important tough. The r7 really looked impressive compared to the r6. Even the bokee advantage is not important to me as i shoot my portraits and boudoir at 5.6 on full frame like most guys in my niche do if they want more than one eye in focus😉
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