one of the smartest things said here I think is the danger of believing the bullshit of people constantly telling you you're great. the plea for humility
DUDE MJK! THIS IS CRAZY HOW MUCH THIS VIDEO RESONATED WITH ME. IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON THE MAGICIAN ARCHETYPE AND FOR THE PAST 3 MONTHS IVE BEEN LISTENING TO NOTHING BUT TOOL WHAT EVEN !! ! !!!
This is such an interesting conversation. And it kept reminding of Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. How magicians delve into space that makes others go mad
Who is this lady? She's a really good teacher. Displays lots of patience, tries to stay away from popular fetishization of psychedelics to describe the journey, and also points to shadow examples within her own home culture so that we can really start examining ourselves instead of externalising, exoticising, or calling it out as a disease. Kudos! I'm watching the rest now, bye!
My archetypes tied in 3 - magician- king - sage all at 29. I as well have studies in psychology. Started my shadow work 4years ago. Which I just thought was my life falling apart.. been writing a book that come to find out last month goes hand abd Hand with the red book. I believe Carl jung has been one of my spirit guides
the problem I've found with Millenials is that they reject teachings fro elders and think their peers are better. The old people are old and they know nothing. Google is their library and any mentorship offered is rejected because they have been told they can do it themselves. Problem with this and I have seen it far too often in my trade. The lads come in with grandiose self-expectations then fall flat on their faces and leave blaming everyone that they have not been taught properly as they leave.
I've been on my spiritual journey at a young age I was 2. And had my first unconscious experience at 6. So maybe that made my journey and even archetypes different as well as my Anima animus
Thanks guys really enjoying your podcasts very informative and refreshingly sincere in your approach to quite a complex topic. As a Tool fan love that you mentioned Maynard and can't wait for the new album!
Interesting discussion! One thing though was interesting though is that you understood Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance to be about peoples fear of technology. I felt the main underlying focus was that there is a infinite sum of parts that make up everything we experience and though each part has its own purpose individually, when brought together something completely different can come about. I think this stood out to me only because of how definitively you stated that so many people don't know what its really about. Do you have a forum where you discuss things with your listeners? Id be very interested to engage .
To give a recommendation on a magian/ musical shaman Aesop rock is truly excellent for hip-hop fans Unlike any other artist I've ever heard and truly in touch with his own magician
The Test of the Magician: _"Choose a Pill"_ [Blue or Red] . (Muggle): Picks the Blue Pill [you fail the test, but live in bliss]. . (Wizard): Picks the Red Pill [you pass the test, but the knowledge is a curse] -> (Shaman): Picks BOTH together (not binded by rules), creates "The Purple Pill". The "Mark of the Shaman" is the "scar" in the mind that did not managed to kill the innocence, but can never be negated, healed or forgotten. This type of Magician will forever be "The Apprentice" (never reaching the rank of *Master* like the Wizards do); but able to pass some of their wisdom (without the actual knowledge) to the Muggles.
Yes. I know this "Shaman" looks like "The Innocent One" shadow of the archetype, but while it is technically an in-complete/un-realized variant; the difference is that it is NOT an inmature one (the effort is done precisely on never "going too deep you can not come back"); with a trade off between lesser "spiritual elevation" to keep some "roots on the ground".
Can anyone answer what's the difference between the magician and the sage? I constantly see people referencing the same characters as being both. For example what is gandalf or obiwon? I get these two archetypes so confused... Also this woman said the magician is the creative force so what's the difference between the creator and the magician?
My sgadow work has been an ugly 4 year almost 5 year walk with my devil ... I am the demoralizing demon, the disrespect within my own soul. The judgement upon my tongue. I constrict my own breath when i submerge my shadow further within. -zielkrystel
thankyou thankyou yess yess so - The universe holds to its self 10,000 mystery ,all of them wrong! Blessings ________________________________________________________BK
What is sacred to people varies. If the color of the flag is sacred to some people, should we go out of our way to abuse it because we don't understand it? Shouldn't we honor people and what is sacred to them?
The healthy Magician distributes hidden knowledge freely, but isn’t the value of the knowledge found in the price one pays to obtain it? How does one preserve the power/impact of the hidden knowledge?
No, valuable knowledge is valuable intrinsically. The process of pursuing it will teach something but there is more to it than merely the journey- else there would be no difference between the failed pursuit and the successful pursuit
No man does the rites of passage nowadays,and do not listen to elders,you have to be conscious in the unconscious,and rediscover the divine within,the Self with a capital S,you have to go through darkness to be reborn,nonlinear,creative imagination,the purpose of life is to discover your gift,the meaning of life is to give it away (Carl Jung) to many false prophets,those that speak don not know,those that know do not speak,I guide people to heal themselves .
Some do. You are right that those who know don’t talk as much. When you know you realize that most people cannot listen and so you must read them and guide but they must be ready to learn before you take them to the next step.
Culture is good nationalism isn’t there’s a big difference. He’s very crown chakra driven she’s very heart chakra strong but uses both. She’s very coherent…I’d like to hear her more, no issues with him.
Wow very insightful! I would say however that you are confusing Culture with Nationalism. Nationalism literally can happen overnight where Culture, almost by definition, is evolved over centuries and millenia. As an afrolatino living in America in my 30’s, I have to say that ‘Culture” is very very superficial. We are European/Western every way but consider being black or brown our Culture. Far from it. The tradition, morality, sacred spaces yall are referring to is Culture. Some superstitions persist yes, but as they say, The Rich question nothing while Poor question everything. Those who benefit will want to keep whatever system that is.
Jordan is in the grip of the shadow to some extent, but I’m hopeful he will journey out of the darkness into the light through his conversion to Catholicism and if he becomes a real Catholic
it's not really the secret knowledge that matters but making yourself into a person who generates those new valuable knowledge that matters.
There you are! Been looking for this one. 🙏🏽
one of the smartest things said here I think is the danger of believing the bullshit of people constantly telling you you're great. the plea for humility
DUDE MJK! THIS IS CRAZY HOW MUCH THIS VIDEO RESONATED WITH ME. IVE BEEN LOOKING FOR INFORMATION ON THE MAGICIAN ARCHETYPE AND FOR THE PAST 3 MONTHS IVE BEEN LISTENING TO NOTHING BUT TOOL WHAT EVEN !! ! !!!
This is such an interesting conversation. And it kept reminding of Dr. Strange and the Multiverse of Madness. How magicians delve into space that makes others go mad
Who is this lady? She's a really good teacher. Displays lots of patience, tries to stay away from popular fetishization of psychedelics to describe the journey, and also points to shadow examples within her own home culture so that we can really start examining ourselves instead of externalising, exoticising, or calling it out as a disease. Kudos! I'm watching the rest now, bye!
Thought the same, very patient and the quote she brought up was very interesting
14:00 - Ref. The Shadow Start
15:30 - Judging One
17:30 - The Innocent One Shadow Discussed
My archetypes tied in 3 - magician- king - sage all at 29. I as well have studies in psychology. Started my shadow work 4years ago. Which I just thought was my life falling apart.. been writing a book that come to find out last month goes hand abd Hand with the red book. I believe Carl jung has been one of my spirit guides
the problem I've found with Millenials is that they reject teachings fro elders and think their peers are better. The old people are old and they know nothing. Google is their library and any mentorship offered is rejected because they have been told they can do it themselves. Problem with this and I have seen it far too often in my trade. The lads come in with grandiose self-expectations then fall flat on their faces and leave blaming everyone that they have not been taught properly as they leave.
got introduced to tool in this podcast and im very grateful
I've been on my spiritual journey at a young age I was 2. And had my first unconscious experience at 6. So maybe that made my journey and even archetypes different as well as my Anima animus
Thanks guys really enjoying your podcasts very informative and refreshingly sincere in your approach to quite a complex topic. As a Tool fan love that you mentioned Maynard and can't wait for the new album!
I find archetypes really interesting
paradigms .. yeah me too, Jung is fascinating.
I love these! Truly as a psychologist I never dove deep into carl jung until my life fell apart lol
Loved this episode. Thanks for uploading!
Interesting discussion! One thing though was interesting though is that you understood Zen and the Art of Motorcycle maintenance to be about peoples fear of technology. I felt the main underlying focus was that there is a infinite sum of parts that make up everything we experience and though each part has its own purpose individually, when brought together something completely different can come about. I think this stood out to me only because of how definitively you stated that so many people don't know what its really about. Do you have a forum where you discuss things with your listeners? Id be very interested to engage .
Yes, we just started a new Discord community you can join: futurethinkers.org/discord
To give a recommendation on a magian/ musical shaman
Aesop rock is truly excellent for hip-hop fans
Unlike any other artist I've ever heard and truly in touch with his own magician
You're an idiot
Bex Tings 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kanye reminds me of the magician archetype
Yea I was thinking that too. Kanye is indeed heavy on the magician
Muggles talking about magic. Fascinating.
The Test of the Magician: _"Choose a Pill"_ [Blue or Red]
. (Muggle): Picks the Blue Pill [you fail the test, but live in bliss].
. (Wizard): Picks the Red Pill [you pass the test, but the knowledge is a curse]
-> (Shaman): Picks BOTH together (not binded by rules), creates "The Purple Pill".
The "Mark of the Shaman" is the "scar" in the mind that did not managed to kill the innocence, but can never be negated, healed or forgotten.
This type of Magician will forever be "The Apprentice" (never reaching the rank of *Master* like the Wizards do); but able to pass some of their wisdom (without the actual knowledge) to the Muggles.
Yes. I know this "Shaman" looks like "The Innocent One" shadow of the archetype, but while it is technically an in-complete/un-realized variant; the difference is that it is NOT an inmature one (the effort is done precisely on never "going too deep you can not come back"); with a trade off between lesser "spiritual elevation" to keep some "roots on the ground".
@@adolfodef Shamans do reach the rank of Master, tho. As you said, not binded by rules ;)
@@adolfodef All choose the Phoenix and use the Dragon to set him free
Can anyone answer what's the difference between the magician and the sage? I constantly see people referencing the same characters as being both. For example what is gandalf or obiwon? I get these two archetypes so confused... Also this woman said the magician is the creative force so what's the difference between the creator and the magician?
Illd say the magician is a narrower conception . And the sage or wise one has to a large degree incorporated all three of the archetypes .
@@Jide-bq9yf Thankyou. I kinda can see that.
@@Mayaspiral 👍🏽
Excellent video...
The playlist to this series seem to be in the wrong chronological order. Maybe not to important. Really like the information is this series.
Will you be doing the Trickster?
This is a quality video for sure
My sgadow work has been an ugly 4 year almost 5 year walk with my devil ...
I am the demoralizing demon, the disrespect within my own soul. The judgement upon my tongue. I constrict my own breath when i submerge my shadow further within. -zielkrystel
thankyou thankyou
yess yess
so - The universe holds to its self 10,000 mystery ,all of them wrong!
Blessings ________________________________________________________BK
Very interesting.
Carlin said it
If you merge a magician and a warrior you get an assassin
What is sacred to people varies. If the color of the flag is sacred to some people, should we go out of our way to abuse it because we don't understand it? Shouldn't we honor people and what is sacred to them?
The healthy Magician distributes hidden knowledge freely, but isn’t the value of the knowledge found in the price one pays to obtain it? How does one preserve the power/impact of the hidden knowledge?
No, valuable knowledge is valuable intrinsically. The process of pursuing it will teach something but there is more to it than merely the journey- else there would be no difference between the failed pursuit and the successful pursuit
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Thank you....
We must not consent to A.I no matter what.
No man does the rites of passage nowadays,and do not listen to elders,you have to be conscious in the unconscious,and rediscover the divine within,the Self with a capital S,you have to go through darkness to be reborn,nonlinear,creative imagination,the purpose of life is to discover your gift,the meaning of life is to give it away (Carl Jung) to many false prophets,those that speak don not know,those that know do not speak,I guide people to heal themselves .
Some do. You are right that those who know don’t talk as much. When you know you realize that most people cannot listen and so you must read them and guide but they must be ready to learn before you take them to the next step.
I disagree so strongly with your point about culture.
The shaman most get sick...without become sick
2:08
Joseph Goebbels is a great example of a shadow magician.
Culture is good nationalism isn’t there’s a big difference. He’s very crown chakra driven she’s very heart chakra strong but uses both. She’s very coherent…I’d like to hear her more, no issues with him.
I am female and magician is my arhetype please explain
Low-key you're a dude
Magician has nothing to do with either masculine or feminine. As humans we have all archetypes in our psyche.
Kevin Hart is a great example of the magician. Thanks for the discussion
Really? I was thinking the jester, hero or Everyman.
Algo
I don't eat anything raw
...hopefully u r able to see ur sh!t as well as u r able to see it in others
Wow very insightful! I would say however that you are confusing Culture with Nationalism. Nationalism literally can happen overnight where Culture, almost by definition, is evolved over centuries and millenia. As an afrolatino living in America in my 30’s, I have to say that ‘Culture” is very very superficial. We are European/Western every way but consider being black or brown our Culture. Far from it. The tradition, morality, sacred spaces yall are referring to is Culture. Some superstitions persist yes, but as they say, The Rich question nothing while Poor question everything. Those who benefit will want to keep whatever system that is.
The shadow of Jungian psychology is Jordan Peterson and his neckbeard army. Enjoyed the show, nevertheless.
Jordan is in the grip of the shadow to some extent, but I’m hopeful he will journey out of the darkness into the light through his conversion to Catholicism and if he becomes a real Catholic