The Sega Final Fight homebrew is very impressive, no doubt. However, it is an unfair comparison considering the SFC port was on a small 8 megabit cart done very early in the SFC lifespan under a strict deadline since it was among the first games released. Even the missing bar patrons in stage 3 somehow got past quality control. This Sega port has the luxury of a much larger ROM size, decades of experience and documentation of the hardware and no pressure from corporate bosses wanting to meet a release date. Having said that, the MD does have the advantage of the 320x224 resolution mode and seems to handle more large sprites on screen although this port does show some pretty severe slowdown and sprite flicker at times.
I agree and disagree. The slight extra resolution of MD makes no difference to sprite size and most MD / SNES games used identical sprites for this reason. Arcades did have even higher resolution, more processing grunt and loads of ROM space to allow for larger sprites.
Well, Final Fight was one of the first SNES games after the launch titles. A new attempt with a ROMsize of 32megs, three playable characters, 2 player mode and all stages included would be very interesting!
@@zsiles Yeah, and it was a butchered port when compared side by side with the arcade. The recent Golden Axe homebrew shows what could've been done with more time, ROM size and knowledge of the hardware, just like this Final Fight homebrew.
@@RyuHayabusa06 maybe was not perfect but 2 players, 4 enemies on screen (with dragoons in some stages), more stages than arcade, no complaints at all.
Galera...por mais seguista que eu seja . Nunca que se FF 1 fosse lançado naquela época, seria igual a esse Port. Com certeza haveria cortes . Mas como os caras estão caprichando, a versão do mega drive está monstruosa. Muito surpreendente mesmo.
@@eksikiak o mais importante era o tamanho do armazenamento do cartucho. era caro cartucho com mais armazenamento, muitas vezes os cortes era pra diminuir a capacidade do cartucho e desta forma baratear o mesmo.
E um detalhe, os caras usaram uma engine pronta, imagina se programar isso em assembler puro que é a programação original do megadriver, o jogo simplesmente voaria sem slows.
Ok I just want to compliment you on your editing skills. Clearly a lot of work has gone into this video. I'm literally only 1 minute in and it's already the best side by side comparison I've ever seen. No disrespect but I'm not sure if I've ever seen your channel before but I love content like this so I hope there's more after this 😀👌. Megadrive v SNES are usually the most popular but I'm always keen to see side by sides of the NES v Master System simply because like most people I guess I've always been more of a Nintendo fan but in recent years looking back now, it's hard to ignore just how fantastic Sega's 8-Bit colour palette was so it would be nice to see comparisons of games released on both systems, visually along with performance. Videos like this.... it's the only way to be sure 😉
Simply by the fact that the MD version has a 2-player option, it completely sweeps away the SNES version. If we also add that it has larger characters, with many more animations, no stupid black bars, ideal resolution, more game options, no censorship and a color and sound very similar to the arcade version, the decision is clear. And we're seeing a beta version on MD! There are still many things to add and improve! But realistically, if you want to play a version of Final Fight on a home console today, the MD versions are undoubtedly the right choices.
@@SomeOrangeCat Because, unlike you, there's a lot of people in the world who actually care and love this console still in this day. That's why it has so much more homebrew scene than, say, the SNES.
@SomeOrangeCat - Because people like to put a case into the shelf with a colorful instruction-manual, instead of having a soulless download. And using a Mega Drive is easier than having a computer and getting 2 controllers into the USB-ports and modify them.
É uma apelação demais fazer essa específica comparação !!! Décadas de diferença entre o lançamento deste jogo para estes dois incríveis consoles domésticos !!! O excelente Final Fight do Mega Drive se compara com o competente do SEGA CD !!! BOA sorte !!! Tudo de BOM !!! LUZ, PAZ e saúde !!!
Concordo...a do snes saiu em 1991 contra essa demo de 2024 (+32 anos), e as pressas pq Final Fight ainda estava bombando no arcade...foi apenas single player...faltando 1 personagem (guy) que depois foi implementado, mas substituindo cody em final fight guy...retiraram uma fase completamente (industrial area) que era marcante pelo Rolento que era um saco matar quando corria pra la e pra ca, poderia ter sido muito melhor mesmo na época e vemos isso na versão do GBA que é baseada nessa versão do snes. Mas cara...vou te falar, matei muita aula pra jogar isso por hora na locadora viu kkkkk. Essa versão nova do megadrive é um trabalho absurdamente competente inclusive nos detalhes que ficam acima do excelente port do sega cd (que eu adoro), ta sendo feito com excelencia e nos detalhes de fã real do game de arcade, nem tem o que falar, só aplaudir...quando estiver completo vou jogar muitas e muitas vezes com certeza, mas é por isso que não tiro o mérito de nenhuma das versões..do snes me divertiu demais na época e até hoje tb com gosto de nostalgia..e essa do meu amado Mega Drive vai me divertir muito mais de 30 anos depois tb! Ah aliás...tem um hack de snes que da pra jogar com os 3 e de 2 players ..só não tem a fase do rolento...
@@vannerdias Provavelmente, ou em 94 ou em 95 (certamente em 1.996), tanto para o SNES quanto para o Mega Drive, com a devida autorização da CapCom, poderiam fazer uma versão completa do jogaço Final Fight 1 (mesmo que ficasse um pouco inferior a versão do SEGA CD e, até mesmo, esta específica versão atual do Mega Drive), com todas as fases (incluindo a do Rolento), os 3 personagens jogáveis, com a possibilidade de 2 players simultâneos e, o principal, com continues tipo Streets of Rage, ou seja, se perder todas as vidas e tiver continue voltará do local exato em que morreu, ao invés de voltar do começo da fase, como é originalmente !!! Enfim, Final Fight 1 É um excelente e dinâmico jogo que nos faz recordar os BONS e velhos tempos !!! LUZ, PAZ e saúde !!!
@@felipes.carvalho8790 e tinha que fazer mesmo, e mesmo assim 4 inimigos com slow em um porcessamento de 12mhz, como mídia de até 600 mb para armazenamento, sem precisar de compactação, tinha que no minimo ser melhor que a versão lançada as pressas, com tudo limitado em um sistema de slowrom de 2,68mhz em vez de pelo menos fastrom de 3,58mhz que ficaria 33% mais rápido.
Granted they have had an extra 30 years to maximize the power of the Genesis/Mega Drive, but this is beyond impressive! Final Fight was one given to me the Christmas I got my SNES, along with F-Zero. I had my hands full with awesome new games and a new machine to play them on. I loved Final Fight, but had no idea what a downgrade the SNES version was from its arcade counterpart. The Genesis/Mega Drive version is damn near a carbon copy, from what I can tell. Honestly, it’s a good thing this never came out way back when, because we never would have gotten Streets of Rage if it had. Mad love for this awesome version of this awesome game!❤❤❤❤
Streets of Rage was a SEGA 1st-party game, so it would've still happened regardless... The extra competition on the same console would only mean that we would be getting even more and higher quality beat 'em up games to choose from. So, no BIG loss at all!
Hmm...Interesting. I'm intrigued by the Final Fight MD's F1 Power Mode in the options menu. Several options available: 60 FPS- 4 Enemies Standard Game (Gameplay Footage) 30 FPS- 6 Enemies Extended Game For Standard Console 60 FPS- 6 Enemies Extended Game For Overclocked CPU I guess that makes sense with the first option. Not a expert or anything but its shown at points. Haggar and Guy move about smoothly and so does the stage elements. But when chaotic situations like around 12:07 with Haggar, Guy, 4 enemies, and stage props everything slows down.
8:07 Genesis tem DNA de Arcade assim como o Sharp X68000 ambos usam o poderoso CPU Motorola 68000 Sobre o port não tem muito oq comparar, o Genesis destrói é quase 1:1 do Arcade CPS1!
Verdade, E até porque também a versão de SNES foi cagada, Desda época de lançamento já se falava isso , Foi um port muito mal feito , E este de mega está sendo feito por fãs com muito carinho , Só aí já é motivo de atropelar sem placa kkk
Óbvio q não tem o q comparar, amigo. São 30 anos de diferença, eu qria ver como ficaria um port pro MD na época, sem as ferramentas de programação de hj. E não esqueça q a versão de SNES só tem 8 mega, e esse port atual do Mega drive deve chegar a uns 80 mega...
@@78ralan ERRADO, tu não tem entendimento de programação, o Hardware trabalha no limite de execução dele (quantidade de dados que ele consegue trabalhar ao mesmo tempo) e não no tamanho dos dados do cartucho em si, inclusive a versão do Sharp X68000 que é idêntica ao Arcade tem 2,4MB (19Mb)!
Even though they omitted my favorite character (Guy) I still loved FF on SNES; but I didn't realize just how different they truly were until many years later. One of the reasons they're different is that FF arcade is a standalone game, as is FF CD on Sega; while FF SNES is the first game of a trilogy.
Imagine how good the SNES port would have been on a 32 megabit cartridge instead of an 8 megabit one. It’s a shame the game came out so early on the SNES.
Cartridge size played a lot into the overall game and lack of content and authenticity. However, you’re right that adding additional enemies and 2 players could have caused slowdown issues at that stage of SNES development.
The Genesis one blows the SNES version out of the water despite its obvious limitation in color palette. However, it's being developed without the limitations that developers faced back in the 1990's. They were strict to their SDKs and whatever they could pull off with tight timelines and limited budget and resources, and cart space constraints (which affected the cost of the end product). Also it was not of their interest to make home versions that could compete directly with their own arcade version. So, while it's true that Capcom gave lots of attention to their SNES conversions, they always made watered-down versions for the home consoles and it was up to their developers to exploit the strenghts of each console. In the end I'm happy to see how powerful the Genesis could be if given enough resources, but a homebrew for the Super Nes in 2024 could potentially be a lot better than the original as well, exactly because developers today have so many more resources.
This is the same Capcom that made Alpha 3 for Saturn far better than the arcade original. Anyone pretending the SNES version was going to compete with the arcade at launch has no idea what the SlowROM downclocking was, much less the hardware issues.
@@OldSchoolRetroGamingFanI'm guessing it's got really bad slow down. Final Fight 2 and 3 run ok, they just aren't quiet as well conceived as games overall.
The Genesis version is on top here. Of course it benefits from the programming knowledge of the last 30+ years. It still has slowdown and flicker present when too many sprites are being used on screen, but it is presenting a 2 player game with more detailed levels, more enemies on screen and full transitions between stages. The Snes version was impressive at the time, but had to cut plenty of things when it was released; one of the characters, 2 player simultaneous, background detail, and complete stages and enemies where dropped. Sequels on the Snes did have 2 player gameplay, I wonder if a version closer to the arcade original could also be produced on the Snes now?
It reminds me of how people were crapping all over the SNES version of Wolfenstein 3-D vs the Genesis homebrew. The SNES port had two HUGE disadvantages kneecapping it: Nintendo censorship and the publisher demanding the game be ready in less than ONE month.
Belíssimo trabalho de fãs para fãs! Mas, ainda pesa o fato do Sega Mega Drive não ter recebido um port "oficial" na época. O port de Sega-CD era muito caro por conta do preço do dispositivo, e o port de Super Nintendo tinha cortes incômodos demais.
Lets try this again...my last comment sucked and was deleted. Anyway they keep improving on the Final Fight MD Demo. 1. Orange and blue text on a black screen on the option screen is much easier read than the SNES blue on blue screen. 2. Speaking of options being able to switch out the FPS and enemies is a nice touch. 3. Two player mode was a cool feature for the Mega Drive Demo. However there were moments of slowdown throughout the playthrough. Can't have everything but room for improvement. 4. With the controller visualization I find the disk D-pad and button layout better on the Mega Drive version. It just works here. ❗❗(We really need the whole English Alphabet Sega-fied. That would be awesome.
Genesis: Los tres personajes originales del Arcade. 6 sprites simultáneos. Mas velocidad. Mejor animación. Modo de 2 jugadores Mejor Intro. SNES: Colorido. MD/Génesis wins!!!
This is the kind of videos I like to watch nowadays. Making new games on dead consoles years after people have complete mastery and understanding of all the older systems. I am so looking forward to what games will look like on Saturn, Dreamcast and PS1 nowadays.
Well, I think a lot of people would disagree that they are "dead" consoles. I personally have a Sega Genesis model 1, 32x add on, and about 40 original games for both the Genesis and 32x. I had gifted this to my niece way back in the day and this past Christmas she gifted them back. I gave them to her when she was about 10 (she's now 32) and now that I got them from her, I'm playing them at the ripe age of 52! And guess what, still works. No red ring of death, no yellow light of death, no disc stuck in the drive, no hard drive failing. Just enjoyable games that transcend generations. Food for thought...
@@dinnerfor1540To be honest and fair, the Saturn also lasts pretty long too... I had a friend back in high school who bought a pre-owned Saturn, and he got at least a good 8-10 solid years of use out of it. He palyed it EVERYDAY until he moved onto the Dreamcast and other newer consoles. It still works OK even today, as a matter of fact. He simply just outgrew videogames and doesn't have the time to play anymore. The same can't be said about the PS1 tho!
@@sobesons it's a modded hack and if you watched up until stage 2 you see how bad the MD chokes at trying to keep a steady frame rate because the system can't handle it.
It was a very powerful machine for its time. For some reason Sega wanted backwards compatibility with the Master System and that is the reason for the small color palette. Otherwise it could have had thousands of colors. Also, for cost reasons, Sega couldn't include scaling. 2 years later it was cheap enough for Nintendo to put in their SNES. Also, the sound chip was custom for the SNES and was way better than the Genesis. But I don't think people realize that the SNES was 2 years newer and back then, computing power grew exponentially. But even with that, the CPU in the Genesis was far superior to that of the SNES.
@@axelfoley20 faster CPU & the Genesis often ran a higher resolution than the SNES. The Genesis can also make 3D Graphics without using an enhancement. I was blown away when someone showed me Star Cruiser which was released before Star Fox & Wolfenstein 3D!
@@bloomerb4162 in 1991, FF for SNES was the closest thing to "the arcade at home". It was amazing, in fact, I bought my SNES b/c of Final Fight and many friends did the same. Before Street Fighter 2 craze, Final Fight was the big thing. In the late 80s and early 90s the technology was changing so fast 2, 3 or 4 years marked a HUGE DIFFERENCE in technology, night and day. We have to take that into account when we compare versions. Playing Final Fight in '91 was totally different than playing it in '93 or '94 when Doom, 3DO, Jaguar and the Playstation were on the street... Final Fight in '93 was retro!! In '93 we were playing Doom. That's why I laugh when Sega fans talk about how superior was FF CD... yeah it was superior but It was launched almost 3 years later than FF SNES!! In '91 people were playing NES... in '94 people were playing Playstation!! Final Fight was a amazing in 1991 and that's why I praise the SNES port. Historical CONTEXT is everything.
I love that the SNES vs Genesis battle still rages on 33 years later. Im surprised no one has called for a real showdown with medieval weapons in a field somewhere. Build myself body armor with SNES console shells and a flail with snes controllers and nails driven through. Honestly, I liked the Genesis too when I was a kid, but we had SNES.
The MD version shown in this video is not the Mega CD version nor a hack of it. It's a brand new conversion for the MD meant to be closer to the arcade version, and it's still in development.
Hey, the Snes version soundtrack is still good. The MD versions soundtrack is not bad neither but at least i feel both sound better then the original arcade.
@@jsr734 for me the music is a take your pick in terms of quality. snes just has a few good songs and for the genesis it is not so great compared to what capcom did with sce. that went so much harder in terms of quality
Ótima comparação, óbvio que existe a diferença de anos, mas claro o desenvolvimento e até um por hoje em dia é mais facil fazer do que na é poca, o pessoal fala que a Versão do Snes é capada e tudo porém na época os caras mandavam lançar o jogo o quanto antes para não perder o hype do momento ai dava nisso pois todo mundo sabe qie o snes tinha muito mais capacidade para ter um port melhor
Esta escena del bar es una muestra de porque la versión de Mega Drive merece todo nuestro valor.16:15. Con solo ver la cantidad de sprite y personajes que hay en pantalla lo dice todo. Buen trabajo 👍
A few things just to keep in mind: 1. The SNES version was an exclusive launch title for the system. The stock Genesis never got the game back at that time. 2. The SNES version was made literally over three decades ago. The Genesis version is still not finished as of June 2024. 3. The SNES game runs in SlowROM, so it's only running at 70% of the system's full CPU speed. 4. By comparison, Maxwel has optimized SNES Final Fight 3 to run at 60fps without slowdown with two players, and he even reduced the game's forced blank a little further while he was at it too. 5. The SNES version of Final Fight came on an 8 Mb cartridge. I've heard the Genesis version is 32 Mb. 6. The stock Genesis version can currently have four enemies on-screen at 60fps, but to have six it runs at 30fps or can be overclocked to have six at 60fps. 7. Maxwell showed an example of Final Fight 2 with six enemies on-screen, but there's just far too much flicker for more than four to look acceptable there. Now, with that in mind, I can comfortably say the Genesis version is the better of the two as they both currently exist.
na época de seu lançamento, esse jogo foi portado as pressas, não trabalharam nos tiles de forma correta, foi uma programação mal otimizada, alguns sprites inuteis, tamanho de eprom e economia em fazer em fastrom, é só comparar tartarugas ninjas tela cheia e final fight tela cortada, isso foi mal planejado.
Impressive! despite the obvious advantages of being developed a lot later. I loved this game so much when i was younger, was lucky to own the Mega CD version but this version is so close.
I got the SNES version when it came out because that's what I had, but I was very disappointed with all of the censored elements, on top of the one-player only. Thankfully I can play the real deal arcade version on Steam now.
Hi vcdecide ! i'm very happy for this genesis-megadrive version ! it's very impressive !!! i love this game , i play it a lot on many system ! My favorite version is Atari STE version ! yeah this game have a very shitty scrolling , but it's a good game ! i love the arcade version too ! i'm going to find this version for my megadriver EURO .
This looks more like the arcade port than the SNES with more destructible objects in the levels. Keep in mind Final Fight was a rather simple game. One thing to notice is how green the colors look on the Megadrive and the SNES version looks way more colorful. I think the main reason for the color difference is not so much the onscreen colors (which are only 64 in the Megadrive) but the fact that each color in CGRAM is only 9bit RGB given it a range of 3 bits per color channel for a total of 512 color to chose from compared to the 65K on the SNES
Wow. Another game with no deadlines, cartridge size limitations, with the advantage of modern tools and optimizations, etc. is more impressive than the 30+ year old version. Will wonders never cease.🙄
As an owner of the Super Nintendo back in the 90s, I must say that this version of Final Fight is superior in every aspect. Everything from 3 characters, 2-player co-op, the breakable telephone booths, and the extra animations makes this arcade perfect 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
A versão do SFC tinha que estar pronta no lançamento do console. A Capcom fez o que deu. Final Fight 2 e 3 provam que a versão de FF1 seria muito melhor se a Capcom tivesse tido mais tempo para trabalhar nela. Fora a questão de ainda estarem aprendendo a trabalhar num hardware até então novo na época.
O do Mega só tem 3 fases e já 28 megabits, o jogo inteiro do Snes tem apenas 8 megabits, ou seja, a versão do Mega tem mais que o triplo de memória do que a versão do Snes, além de ter sido feito com a tecnologia atual e sem limite de memória no cartucho. Kkkkkkkkkkkkkk E o povo quer comparar. 😅
@@JonBR-622Claro que é menor, a resolução da maioria dos jogos do SNES é 256x244. A resolução do Megadrive em contrapartida era 320x224. É por isso que vários jogos do Mega era maior que o mesmo do SNES. Cenários maiores, sprites maiores. É por isso tbm, que a maioria das sprites do SNES eram achatadas. Veja como o Haggar é distorcido no SNES. E honestamente não é viável descomprimir em realtime. Apesar que quantos loading screen eu já vi em jogos do SNES. 🤣
Cool video. A shame Capcom got lazy with the Snes port. For Final Fight 1 this game the genesis was the better version however the snes did do good enough to get 2 exclusive sequels very underrated. I'd even argue FF3 was better than this game because you could do 2 player and or ai auto assist and the gameplay was better.
Megadrive wins y punto, nada que objetar. 30 años después por un grupo fan, oficialmente es inegable que la consola no fue exprimida, la paleta de colores era solvente, su CPU se podía hacer overclocking y el sonido bien utilizado daba perfectamente para el estandar de la época con un sonido limpio, sintético y de calidad. El monopolio de Super Nintendo consiguió eclipsar la consola con port reguleros y sólo podras ver lo buena consola que era con sus juegos exclusivos Shinobi 3, Comix Zone, Gunstar Heroes, Sonic 2 y 3, Batman & Robin, Robocop vs Terminator o Contra Hard Cop son algunos de ellos e indicaban que la consola podía abordar juegos de la talla de Super Nintendo sin problema. Dos auténticas consolas titánicas en la mejor generación de todos los tiempos. Grandes 16 bit!!!.
Back in those days, I just had to appreciate the game porting that imitated the arcade version as much as possible. I dreamed of playing the perfect arcade transplant game at home one day. If there were games like Genesis Ver. Final Fight back then, the game industry would probably have been turned upside down. 😁
não teve Final Fight 1 para o Mega Drive de inicio porque tinha exclusividade com a Nintendo e por isso nunca foi lançado uma versão Standard desse jogo, só agora em 2024 estão fazendo
Do mesmo jeito que muitos jogos do Mega Drive tem enormes barras pretas como Contra Hard Corps, Moonwalker, Vectorman, Thindeforce IV e nunca te incomodou.
geralmente é devido a limitação de tiles do cenário, quanto mais tiles diferente, mais ultrapassa o limite, fazendo com que a tela pisca, ou falte detalhe, se for bem programado vc consegue até burlar isso.
@@cobrakainevereverdies6940 Its when VC Decide tried to make it look like the SNES version of Street Fighter 2 had choppy animation, by doing a comparison of Chun-Li's kicks. Now anyone who's played the game can tell you that the weaker attacks appear faster, because they use fewer animation frames. But she was trying to pass off the weakest kick on the SNES as the strongest, when confronted about it, she tried to claim it was an honest mistake. Here's the thing though, she's an avid fighting game player. She did it on purpose. She's from Brazil, loving Sega is a national sport there, and cheating is absolutely on the table for her.
@@SomeOrangeCat - I come on here for a LAUGH and that's what I get most of the time. BTW the Street Fighter experience is dramatically better on SNES and SNES had the 6 buttons in their unique way FIRST. BTW didn't Playstation take "pretty" much the exact prototype of a SNES controller for their controller ???
Super Famicom version It is very abbreviated, yes, but it plays excellent, there is something in its control that surpasses the Mega CD version, only in that the control, how it reacts to the commands when hitting... Well, this Megadrive version has enormous merit, it looks AND SOUNDS incredible, but it lacks a lot in terms of playability to be the Arcade or the Sharp X68000 version.
O erro de programação foi corrigido na versão europeia do jogo. Na verdade, as pessoas no bar estão lá, mas não aparecem devido a um erro de programação.
I always knew there was a plot with megadrive... in the 90s. the games were terrible for the megadrive. but here we can see the true power of that console. Megadrive wins😊
Realmente estou impressionado com esse Hack do MD!! Sensacional!! Grande trabalho!! Parabens aos envolvidos!! Mas a versão de Snes é sensacional também!! Jogo muito ela e adoro!! E ter no Mega é muito bacana!!
Sega was always great when it came to arcade to home console likeness especially with capcom games like STRIDER now im just discovering FINAL FIGHT as well. From the graphics,sound effects voice likeness and the music SEGA WINS HANDS DOWN.
@@brichan1851 It kind of drives home the main issue with these comparisons. You have the finished product someone was under the gun to complete with all kinds of restrictions placed on them vs a passion project the creator has no real incentive to even finish, if they don't feel like it.
This version wouldn't have existed. The Genesis would have gotten the same game that SNES did, but perhaps with even more cutbacks, as Capcom had no faith in the Genesis.
@@SomeOrangeCat True. Capcom sure would have went with a rather lazy port, as rushed as the SNES one. Maybe they could have kept all three playable characters and 2-player coop though, with less slowdown than in the SNES version, but the cartridge size would still have been an issue, as a 32 Mb cartridge would have been way too expensive back then.
Certa vez fiz uma combinação de 3 mods no final fight guy. O primeiro foi um mod para diminuir algumas diferenças com o arcade, a segunda foi fast rom, que diminuia os lags e por último um mod de multiplayer, que apesar de não ser perfeito, diverte. Acho que valeria a pena essa comparação com o de Mega.
Comparação ao meu ver bem desleal. Na época o SNES era um hardware recém lançado ainda a explorar. Cortaram itens na versão dele por conta do custo final. Já essa versão do Mega foi produzida mais de duas décadas depois com recursos mais modernos, conhecendo bem o hardware.
Mas qual era o tamanho da equipe do snes? A equipe com certeza Era muito maior e tinha suporte da Nintendo e Capcom. A do mega So tem 3 pessoas sem nenhum apoio oficial da sega e da Capcom. Os caras literalmente colocaram a mao na massa sem apoio nenhum
@@Acom987, sem clubismo. amigo! Estamos falando do intervalo de 32 anos! Há coisas no passado em que era necessário uma equipe para ser realizado e hoje uma única pessoa pode fazê-lo, por assim dizer.
@@eliow sim intervalo de 32 anos com certeza aumentou o conhecimento do hardware. so que a equipe do snes com certeza era de programadores excelentes do japao e deveria ser muito maior em quantidadede pessoas. A Capcom era empresa top da epoca. Sem contar que eles recebiam kits de desenvolvimento da Nintendo. Nao acho que a versao seja ruim , mas acho bem decepcionante tendo em vista o hardware do snes e a versao que eles fizeram do street fighter 2 que ficou execelente. P mim faltou dedicação, tempo e investimento na versão do snes
@@Acom987, pode ter faltado esmero da thirdie sim! E eu levo em consideração também hardware novo e inexplorado, chip de armazenamento com menor capacidade para diminuir custos, prazos apertados pra coincidir com o lançamento do console. Quanto a kits de desenvolvimento, programar hoje em dia para um game moderno pode ser caro e desafiador, agora reprogramar um game antigo para um console descontinuado de 30 anos atrás é bem menos complexo. Não é só o aumento do conhecimento de hardware, o código de Final Fight bem como os esquemas de hardware do SNES e Mega estão aí disponíveis para quem quiser se aventurar. A programação e o PC evoluíram horrores de lá pra cá! Anos são séculos na informática. Obs.: Gosto da versão de SNES por ser o que eu tinha na época, mas hoje para mim não faz sentido revisitar, jogo a versão do arcade disponível em algum console moderno.
The slowdown that happens in the genesis with the barrels shouldn't really need to happen, sprites that are not moving don't take any cpu time or DMA time if they're not being animated so it should be possible to fix it. Proof is if you pause the cpu the sprites still stay on the screen.
I just wonder how it's gonna handle things, when the game starts throwin' like 8 to 10 enemies at you all at the same time in the later levels... Even the arcade version's CPS1 hardware suffered some VERY apparent and noticeable slowdowns whenever that shit happens! Plus with 2 players on the screen, you would be having like 10 or 12 moving sprites on the screen. Do you think that would even be technically possible on the Genesis? 😲
faria sim... igual teve que tirar opção de 4 player de jogos de luta pq não aguenta rodar kkkkk... e o outros final fight q tem no maximo 4 inimigos por tela kkkk
Era uma vadiagem esperta dos desenvolvedores da capcom, eles só não deixaram a versão de snes assim como não fizeram pra mega drive talvez pelo motivo de que se você quisesse jogar a versão completa e melhorada, teria que ser só no arcade, obviamente não ficaria no mesmo nível mas seria parecido e sendo assim isso seria um problema pra eles já que eles visavam lucros reais nos arcades e não nos consoles caseiros
Nada, era exclusivo do SNES. Por que vc acha que SNES "ganhou" a geração? Você acha que o Mario vendeu console, ou que Street Fighter 2 vendeu console na época?
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The Sega Final Fight homebrew is very impressive, no doubt. However, it is an unfair comparison considering the SFC port was on a small 8 megabit cart done very early in the SFC lifespan under a strict deadline since it was among the first games released. Even the missing bar patrons in stage 3 somehow got past quality control. This Sega port has the luxury of a much larger ROM size, decades of experience and documentation of the hardware and no pressure from corporate bosses wanting to meet a release date.
Having said that, the MD does have the advantage of the 320x224 resolution mode and seems to handle more large sprites on screen although this port does show some pretty severe slowdown and sprite flicker at times.
I agree and disagree. The slight extra resolution of MD makes no difference to sprite size and most MD / SNES games used identical sprites for this reason. Arcades did have even higher resolution, more processing grunt and loads of ROM space to allow for larger sprites.
Well, Final Fight was one of the first SNES games after the launch titles. A new attempt with a ROMsize of 32megs, three playable characters, 2 player mode and all stages included would be very interesting!
Megadrive had Golden Axe in 1989
@@zsiles Yeah, and it was a butchered port when compared side by side with the arcade. The recent Golden Axe homebrew shows what could've been done with more time, ROM size and knowledge of the hardware, just like this Final Fight homebrew.
@@RyuHayabusa06 maybe was not perfect but 2 players, 4 enemies on screen (with dragoons in some stages), more stages than arcade, no complaints at all.
Galera...por mais seguista que eu seja . Nunca que se FF 1 fosse lançado naquela época, seria igual a esse Port. Com certeza haveria cortes . Mas como os caras estão caprichando, a versão do mega drive está monstruosa. Muito surpreendente mesmo.
2 jogadores simultaneos e 4 inimigos na tela.... nao sei se o snes tanka
Na versão do MEGA, podem ter até 6 inimigos na tela
Realmente...nunca lancariam um port bem feito desse na epoca, a tecnologia e a programacao hj esta em outro nivel.
@@eksikiak o mais importante era o tamanho do armazenamento do cartucho. era caro cartucho com mais armazenamento, muitas vezes os cortes era pra diminuir a capacidade do cartucho e desta forma baratear o mesmo.
E um detalhe, os caras usaram uma engine pronta, imagina se programar isso em assembler puro que é a programação original do megadriver, o jogo simplesmente voaria sem slows.
Ok I just want to compliment you on your editing skills. Clearly a lot of work has gone into this video. I'm literally only 1 minute in and it's already the best side by side comparison I've ever seen. No disrespect but I'm not sure if I've ever seen your channel before but I love content like this so I hope there's more after this 😀👌. Megadrive v SNES are usually the most popular but I'm always keen to see side by sides of the NES v Master System simply because like most people I guess I've always been more of a Nintendo fan but in recent years looking back now, it's hard to ignore just how fantastic Sega's 8-Bit colour palette was so it would be nice to see comparisons of games released on both systems, visually along with performance. Videos like this.... it's the only way to be sure 😉
It’s crazy on what could have been with the genesis if they would have released this back then.
Two player alone beats the SNES out
It's only 30 years too late to matter.
If this released on the md, it would have been just as cut down as the snes one
@@SomeOrangeCat Better late than never.
No, Final Fight SEGA CD two player@@Guitario666
@@Guitario666 Streets of Rage and Golden Axe was 2-Player...
Simply by the fact that the MD version has a 2-player option, it completely sweeps away the SNES version.
If we also add that it has larger characters, with many more animations, no stupid black bars, ideal resolution, more game options, no censorship and a color and sound very similar to the arcade version, the decision is clear.
And we're seeing a beta version on MD! There are still many things to add and improve!
But realistically, if you want to play a version of Final Fight on a home console today, the MD versions are undoubtedly the right choices.
You can get the actual arcade version for all modern systems. Why bother with a homebrew version for a decade's old console at all?
@@SomeOrangeCat Because, unlike you, there's a lot of people in the world who actually care and love this console still in this day. That's why it has so much more homebrew scene than, say, the SNES.
@SomeOrangeCat - Because people like to put a case into the shelf with a colorful instruction-manual, instead of having a soulless download. And using a Mega Drive is easier than having a computer and getting 2 controllers into the USB-ports and modify them.
@@WeskerSega Nah, it has a bigger homebrew scene, because Sega brats still have a chip on their shoulder.
@@SomeOrangeCat I wasn't expecting any other kind of answer coming from who's probably the biggest Sega hater around this side of RUclips.
É uma apelação demais fazer essa específica comparação !!!
Décadas de diferença entre o lançamento deste jogo para estes dois incríveis consoles domésticos !!!
O excelente Final Fight do Mega Drive se compara com o competente do SEGA CD !!!
BOA sorte !!! Tudo de BOM !!!
LUZ, PAZ e saúde !!!
É Igor... isso ia acontecer mais cedo ou mais tarde 😂
Concordo...a do snes saiu em 1991 contra essa demo de 2024 (+32 anos), e as pressas pq Final Fight ainda estava bombando no arcade...foi apenas single player...faltando 1 personagem (guy) que depois foi implementado, mas substituindo cody em final fight guy...retiraram uma fase completamente (industrial area) que era marcante pelo Rolento que era um saco matar quando corria pra la e pra ca, poderia ter sido muito melhor mesmo na época e vemos isso na versão do GBA que é baseada nessa versão do snes. Mas cara...vou te falar, matei muita aula pra jogar isso por hora na locadora viu kkkkk. Essa versão nova do megadrive é um trabalho absurdamente competente inclusive nos detalhes que ficam acima do excelente port do sega cd (que eu adoro), ta sendo feito com excelencia e nos detalhes de fã real do game de arcade, nem tem o que falar, só aplaudir...quando estiver completo vou jogar muitas e muitas vezes com certeza, mas é por isso que não tiro o mérito de nenhuma das versões..do snes me divertiu demais na época e até hoje tb com gosto de nostalgia..e essa do meu amado Mega Drive vai me divertir muito mais de 30 anos depois tb! Ah aliás...tem um hack de snes que da pra jogar com os 3 e de 2 players ..só não tem a fase do rolento...
@@vannerdias
Provavelmente, ou em 94 ou em 95 (certamente em 1.996), tanto para o SNES quanto para o Mega Drive, com a devida autorização da CapCom, poderiam fazer uma versão completa do jogaço Final Fight 1 (mesmo que ficasse um pouco inferior a versão do SEGA CD e, até mesmo, esta específica versão atual do Mega Drive), com todas as fases (incluindo a do Rolento), os 3 personagens jogáveis, com a possibilidade de 2 players simultâneos e, o principal, com continues tipo Streets of Rage, ou seja, se perder todas as vidas e tiver continue voltará do local exato em que morreu, ao invés de voltar do começo da fase, como é originalmente !!!
Enfim, Final Fight 1 É um excelente e dinâmico jogo que nos faz recordar os BONS e velhos tempos !!!
LUZ, PAZ e saúde !!!
a do Sega CD da um pau classico na versão do Super Nintendo se você quer comparar as duas versões da mesma epoca
@@felipes.carvalho8790 e tinha que fazer mesmo, e mesmo assim 4 inimigos com slow em um porcessamento de 12mhz, como mídia de até 600 mb para armazenamento, sem precisar de compactação, tinha que no minimo ser melhor que a versão lançada as pressas, com tudo limitado em um sistema de slowrom de 2,68mhz em vez de pelo menos fastrom de 3,58mhz que ficaria 33% mais rápido.
Granted they have had an extra 30 years to maximize the power of the Genesis/Mega Drive, but this is beyond impressive!
Final Fight was one given to me the Christmas I got my SNES, along with F-Zero. I had my hands full with awesome new games and a new machine to play them on. I loved Final Fight, but had no idea what a downgrade the SNES version was from its arcade counterpart.
The Genesis/Mega Drive version is damn near a carbon copy, from what I can tell. Honestly, it’s a good thing this never came out way back when, because we never would have gotten Streets of Rage if it had.
Mad love for this awesome version of this awesome game!❤❤❤❤
playing Final Fight at home in '91 was impressive... MIND BLOWING.
Streets of Rage was a SEGA 1st-party game, so it would've still happened regardless... The extra competition on the same console would only mean that we would be getting even more and higher quality beat 'em up games to choose from. So, no BIG loss at all!
This is a Sega CD release
@@jonmartinez7504
No, it isn't. This is a homebrew fan game.
Streets of rage would have still been made. Streets of rage was an in house sega game. Final fight was by capcom a third party.
this genesis port is awesome. but we should respect the snes version since it was totally rushed and one of the first games for the system.
Its sequels proved that the SNES hardware wasn't the problem.
Batman Returns showed they didnt give a damn on 2-player-mode
@@MrZillas Konami developed Batman Returns.
Yes, Snes did others like Captain Commando, Knights of the Round or FF 3, 2 players co-op but with 3 enemies on screen...
Why respect it?
It's shit.... Capcom should have been ashamed releasing it
Mega Drive Wins in this Stage! I hope they improve the final result, but it still looks almost perfect.
Hmm...Interesting. I'm intrigued by the Final Fight MD's F1 Power Mode in the options menu. Several options available:
60 FPS- 4 Enemies Standard Game (Gameplay Footage)
30 FPS- 6 Enemies Extended Game For Standard Console
60 FPS- 6 Enemies Extended Game For Overclocked CPU
I guess that makes sense with the first option. Not a expert or anything but its shown at points. Haggar and Guy move about smoothly and so does the stage elements. But when chaotic situations like around 12:07 with Haggar, Guy, 4 enemies, and stage props everything slows down.
Es normal, por eso la snes tiene un límite de dos personajes a la vez
Good point, the Genesis was definitely struggling at times with that slower framerate and lag with too much going on at once.
@@MKF30 Hey bud, what do ya anticipate when the game starts throwin' like 8 to 10 enemies on the screen at you all at once in the later levels?
8:07 Genesis tem DNA de Arcade assim como o Sharp X68000 ambos usam o poderoso CPU Motorola 68000
Sobre o port não tem muito oq comparar, o Genesis destrói é quase 1:1 do Arcade CPS1!
Verdade, E até porque também a versão de SNES foi cagada, Desda época de lançamento já se falava isso , Foi um port muito mal feito , E este de mega está sendo feito por fãs com muito carinho , Só aí já é motivo de atropelar sem placa kkk
Óbvio q não tem o q comparar, amigo. São 30 anos de diferença, eu qria ver como ficaria um port pro MD na época, sem as ferramentas de programação de hj. E não esqueça q a versão de SNES só tem 8 mega, e esse port atual do Mega drive deve chegar a uns 80 mega...
@@78ralan ERRADO, tu não tem entendimento de programação, o Hardware trabalha no limite de execução dele (quantidade de dados que ele consegue trabalhar ao mesmo tempo) e não no tamanho dos dados do cartucho em si, inclusive a versão do Sharp X68000 que é idêntica ao Arcade tem 2,4MB (19Mb)!
This brought me so much memories. I still have SNES version on my 3DS
As cut down as the SNES port was, it was well received and sold enough copies to warrant two console-exclusive sequels.
Even though they omitted my favorite character (Guy) I still loved FF on SNES; but I didn't realize just how different they truly were until many years later. One of the reasons they're different is that FF arcade is a standalone game, as is FF CD on Sega; while FF SNES is the first game of a trilogy.
Beggars can't be choosers I suppose 😅
@@shaolin95 I guess that's why Sega fans lap up homebrew crap.
@@SomeOrangeCatadoramos mesmo...eles aparecem do nada , e mostram " super " ioridade 😂
@@SomeOrangeCat salty
Imagine how good the SNES port would have been on a 32 megabit cartridge instead of an 8 megabit one. It’s a shame the game came out so early on the SNES.
Cartridge size has nothing to do with it: 1 player, 3 enemies, few objects!
Cartridge size played a lot into the overall game and lack of content and authenticity. However, you’re right that adding additional enemies and 2 players could have caused slowdown issues at that stage of SNES development.
Or with a special fx chip etc
The snes would still not powerful enough to have lots of enemies on screen.
Yeahhh of course SNES is better
I'm sure my opinion won't be that popular but, the MegaCD version with Pyron's color hack attempt is still the 16 bit port to beat.
YEARGH!!!
It's not .
Trust me Sharp X68000 is definitely the version to beat
@@corinful graphics...sure, sound and extras...nah.
The native PC version is the best and it's not even close. It has all the best qualities of every version of the game.
That Genesis version looks awesome!
Over 30 years later and Genesis still does what Nintendon't. 🤣
The Genesis one blows the SNES version out of the water despite its obvious limitation in color palette. However, it's being developed without the limitations that developers faced back in the 1990's. They were strict to their SDKs and whatever they could pull off with tight timelines and limited budget and resources, and cart space constraints (which affected the cost of the end product). Also it was not of their interest to make home versions that could compete directly with their own arcade version. So, while it's true that Capcom gave lots of attention to their SNES conversions, they always made watered-down versions for the home consoles and it was up to their developers to exploit the strenghts of each console. In the end I'm happy to see how powerful the Genesis could be if given enough resources, but a homebrew for the Super Nes in 2024 could potentially be a lot better than the original as well, exactly because developers today have so many more resources.
There is a 2 player SNES Final Fight iir, that was made only about a year ago.
This is the same Capcom that made Alpha 3 for Saturn far better than the arcade original.
Anyone pretending the SNES version was going to compete with the arcade at launch has no idea what the SlowROM downclocking was, much less the hardware issues.
@@OldSchoolRetroGamingFanI'm guessing it's got really bad slow down. Final Fight 2 and 3 run ok, they just aren't quiet as well conceived as games overall.
Yeargh, we need to keep HOUNDING on Capcom until they finally agree to release a 100% arcade perfect port of Final Fight on the SNES!!!
The Genesis version is on top here. Of course it benefits from the programming knowledge of the last 30+ years. It still has slowdown and flicker present when too many sprites are being used on screen, but it is presenting a 2 player game with more detailed levels, more enemies on screen and full transitions between stages.
The Snes version was impressive at the time, but had to cut plenty of things when it was released; one of the characters, 2 player simultaneous, background detail, and complete stages and enemies where dropped.
Sequels on the Snes did have 2 player gameplay, I wonder if a version closer to the arcade original could also be produced on the Snes now?
It reminds me of how people were crapping all over the SNES version of Wolfenstein 3-D vs the Genesis homebrew. The SNES port had two HUGE disadvantages kneecapping it: Nintendo censorship and the publisher demanding the game be ready in less than ONE month.
@@SomeOrangeCatPlus, the goddamn SLOW-ASS bottlenecked CPU speed...
@@SomeOrangeCat It would be interesting if someone remastered SNES wolfenstein 3d, without the censorship and more accurate graphics.
@@jsr734 so, you never hear of "Wolfenstein3D - SNES Uncut"? Check it out.
I'm liking how the Genesis version is shaping up to be
Belíssimo trabalho de fãs para fãs! Mas, ainda pesa o fato do Sega Mega Drive não ter recebido um port "oficial" na época. O port de Sega-CD era muito caro por conta do preço do dispositivo, e o port de Super Nintendo tinha cortes incômodos demais.
Lets try this again...my last comment sucked and was deleted. Anyway they keep improving on the Final Fight MD Demo.
1. Orange and blue text on a black screen on the option screen is much easier read than the SNES blue on blue screen.
2. Speaking of options being able to switch out the FPS and enemies is a nice touch.
3. Two player mode was a cool feature for the Mega Drive Demo. However there were moments of slowdown throughout the playthrough. Can't have everything but room for improvement.
4. With the controller visualization I find the disk D-pad and button layout better on the Mega Drive version. It just works here.
❗❗(We really need the whole English Alphabet Sega-fied. That would be awesome.
Rumor has it that they are working on a port of AVP now...
@@OtomoTenzi 👏👏👏👏👏muy excellente NOTICIA👍😎👊😃👍
Genesis:
Los tres personajes originales del Arcade.
6 sprites simultáneos.
Mas velocidad.
Mejor animación.
Modo de 2 jugadores
Mejor Intro.
SNES:
Colorido.
MD/Génesis wins!!!
This is the kind of videos I like to watch nowadays. Making new games on dead consoles years after people have complete mastery and understanding of all the older systems.
I am so looking forward to what games will look like on Saturn, Dreamcast and PS1 nowadays.
Well, I think a lot of people would disagree that they are "dead" consoles. I personally have a Sega Genesis model 1, 32x add on, and about 40 original games for both the Genesis and 32x. I had gifted this to my niece way back in the day and this past Christmas she gifted them back. I gave them to her when she was about 10 (she's now 32) and now that I got them from her, I'm playing them at the ripe age of 52! And guess what, still works. No red ring of death, no yellow light of death, no disc stuck in the drive, no hard drive failing. Just enjoyable games that transcend generations. Food for thought...
@@dinnerfor1540To be honest and fair, the Saturn also lasts pretty long too... I had a friend back in high school who bought a pre-owned Saturn, and he got at least a good 8-10 solid years of use out of it. He palyed it EVERYDAY until he moved onto the Dreamcast and other newer consoles. It still works OK even today, as a matter of fact. He simply just outgrew videogames and doesn't have the time to play anymore. The same can't be said about the PS1 tho!
The final version will be awsome.I hope to play it soon.
This is a love letter to Final Fight an Sega fans. This is marvelous.
Óbvio que não cabe uma comparação dessa mas o legal do vídeo é ver o quanto o MD era capaz de fazer.
Sim, com a tecnologia atual para ajudar
Show de bola, como sempre! o melhor canal de comprações disparado.
MD brutally superior.
Hard to compare 2 versions where one had a cartridge size to fit inside (which was not a lot) and the other is a rom hack that is unlimited in size
@@Guitario666 the processor is the key.
@@sobesons it's a modded hack and if you watched up until stage 2 you see how bad the MD chokes at trying to keep a steady frame rate because the system can't handle it.
@@sobesons this is amazing work! I'm blown away
Ano de lancamento 2050
White balance seems off for the Mega Drive picture. Has a slight blue tint to it.
Some may even say a greenish palette.
Wow the Genesis version looks amazing! Nice work on this and the high quality editing!
I never knew the sega megadrive could be so powerful.
Sega genesis was always powerful
It was a very powerful machine for its time. For some reason Sega wanted backwards compatibility with the Master System and that is the reason for the small color palette. Otherwise it could have had thousands of colors. Also, for cost reasons, Sega couldn't include scaling. 2 years later it was cheap enough for Nintendo to put in their SNES. Also, the sound chip was custom for the SNES and was way better than the Genesis. But I don't think people realize that the SNES was 2 years newer and back then, computing power grew exponentially. But even with that, the CPU in the Genesis was far superior to that of the SNES.
@@axelfoley20
faster CPU & the Genesis often ran a higher resolution than the SNES. The Genesis can also make 3D Graphics without using an enhancement. I was blown away when someone showed me Star Cruiser which was released before Star Fox & Wolfenstein 3D!
@@damin9913 nah, it was weak and with a horrible color limitation. Even the 8-bit PC-Engine looked better in many games. And you know it.
@net_news don't care about all that the game just look way more fun and faster
A versão do Mega está incrível, mas a maior diferença é que só quem tinha um Snes conseguiu jogar este porte na época.
Why not another versión for a Sega CD? Cpu 12 mhz = no slowdowns?
Probably lack of good tools to use for it that are on the level of the current SGDK; 32X in the same boat with tools to use.
@@HellTantrumbull That, and also I'm sure the team wants to prove that a close conversion can be achieved on the stock MD.
Has there been a fan remake of the SNES version? I’d love to see that and compare
Being able to play Final Fight in your home was a blast in 1991 and SNES version was AMAZING for that achievement.
Yep the audio and extra colors on snes made it feel premium playing those first games out on it.
@@bloomerb4162 in 1991, FF for SNES was the closest thing to "the arcade at home". It was amazing, in fact, I bought my SNES b/c of Final Fight and many friends did the same. Before Street Fighter 2 craze, Final Fight was the big thing.
In the late 80s and early 90s the technology was changing so fast 2, 3 or 4 years marked a HUGE DIFFERENCE in technology, night and day. We have to take that into account when we compare versions.
Playing Final Fight in '91 was totally different than playing it in '93 or '94 when Doom, 3DO, Jaguar and the Playstation were on the street... Final Fight in '93 was retro!! In '93 we were playing Doom.
That's why I laugh when Sega fans talk about how superior was FF CD... yeah it was superior but It was launched almost 3 years later than FF SNES!! In '91 people were playing NES... in '94 people were playing Playstation!!
Final Fight was a amazing in 1991 and that's why I praise the SNES port. Historical CONTEXT is everything.
SNES version was a shame. Premium version was Sega Mega CD's.
@@Carlos-mr5jo it was the closest thing to the Arcade in 1991.
It was terrible. Was very disappointed.
I love that the SNES vs Genesis battle still rages on 33 years later. Im surprised no one has called for a real showdown with medieval weapons in a field somewhere. Build myself body armor with SNES console shells and a flail with snes controllers and nails driven through. Honestly, I liked the Genesis too when I was a kid, but we had SNES.
Here again the image quality is on another level on MD, and the color depth is very well managed.
Wow that SNES version is empty, colour looks great, but what is the point with no enemies to fight?
Color is terrible.
@@chrisw8069 On the Mega Drive, yes.
Was the mega drive version the one they released for the mega CD? Or was this re released doe MD in 2024?
The MD version shown in this video is not the Mega CD version nor a hack of it. It's a brand new conversion for the MD meant to be closer to the arcade version, and it's still in development.
the genesis version by a country mile. two player . all three characters , plus uncensored along with a better soundtrack.
And all it took was 30+ years with no kinds of limitations placed on the developer.
@@SomeOrangeCat Har, such a SMALL price to pay...
Hey, the Snes version soundtrack is still good. The MD versions soundtrack is not bad neither but at least i feel both sound better then the original arcade.
@@jsr734 for me the music is a take your pick in terms of quality. snes just has a few good songs and for the genesis it is not so great compared to what capcom did with sce. that went so much harder in terms of quality
YES, 30+ years went by like it was nothing at all; and the 16-bit console wars continue live on well into the 21st century...
Ótima comparação, óbvio que existe a diferença de anos, mas claro o desenvolvimento e até um por hoje em dia é mais facil fazer do que na é poca, o pessoal fala que a Versão do Snes é capada e tudo porém na época os caras mandavam lançar o jogo o quanto antes para não perder o hype do momento ai dava nisso pois todo mundo sabe qie o snes tinha muito mais capacidade para ter um port melhor
Es todo un arcade en casa la versión MD, cuántos megabits tiene esta versión?
Creo que han dicho que será de 32Mbits (4Mbytes). El máximo que permite la consola sin usar mappers o chips externos de administración de memoria.
Esta escena del bar es una muestra de porque la versión de Mega Drive merece todo nuestro valor.16:15. Con solo ver la cantidad de sprite y personajes que hay en pantalla lo dice todo. Buen trabajo 👍
A few things just to keep in mind:
1. The SNES version was an exclusive launch title for the system. The stock Genesis never got the game back at that time.
2. The SNES version was made literally over three decades ago. The Genesis version is still not finished as of June 2024.
3. The SNES game runs in SlowROM, so it's only running at 70% of the system's full CPU speed.
4. By comparison, Maxwel has optimized SNES Final Fight 3 to run at 60fps without slowdown with two players, and he even reduced the game's forced blank a little further while he was at it too.
5. The SNES version of Final Fight came on an 8 Mb cartridge. I've heard the Genesis version is 32 Mb.
6. The stock Genesis version can currently have four enemies on-screen at 60fps, but to have six it runs at 30fps or can be overclocked to have six at 60fps.
7. Maxwell showed an example of Final Fight 2 with six enemies on-screen, but there's just far too much flicker for more than four to look acceptable there.
Now, with that in mind, I can comfortably say the Genesis version is the better of the two as they both currently exist.
Pq no snes o jogo n roda em tela cheia e cortaram o guy ?
pq o snes é fraco!
@@Devilhelll😂😂😂😂😂
isso é terrivel sonica! fico mto triste@@Devilhelll
Não tem versatilidade de sprites
na época de seu lançamento, esse jogo foi portado as pressas, não trabalharam nos tiles de forma correta, foi uma programação mal otimizada, alguns sprites inuteis, tamanho de eprom e economia em fazer em fastrom, é só comparar tartarugas ninjas tela cheia e final fight tela cortada, isso foi mal planejado.
Ano de lancamento 2050
Junto com Castlevania SOTN!!!! Kkkkkkk
Impressive! despite the obvious advantages of being developed a lot later. I loved this game so much when i was younger, was lucky to own the Mega CD version but this version is so close.
Será que lança ainda nessa década?
I got the SNES version when it came out because that's what I had, but I was very disappointed with all of the censored elements, on top of the one-player only. Thankfully I can play the real deal arcade version on Steam now.
Como faço para rodar em um mega normal? Desculpa a ignorancia, mas é pq gicou muito bom essa adaptacao.
Compra um everdrive e coloque a rom hack
Hi vcdecide ! i'm very happy for this genesis-megadrive version ! it's very impressive !!! i love this game , i play it a lot on many system ! My favorite version is Atari STE version ! yeah this game have a very shitty scrolling , but it's a good game ! i love the arcade version too ! i'm going to find this version for my megadriver EURO .
This looks more like the arcade port than the SNES with more destructible objects in the levels. Keep in mind Final Fight was a rather simple game. One thing to notice is how green the colors look on the Megadrive and the SNES version looks way more colorful. I think the main reason for the color difference is not so much the onscreen colors (which are only 64 in the Megadrive) but the fact that each color in CGRAM is only 9bit RGB given it a range of 3 bits per color channel for a total of 512 color to chose from compared to the 65K on the SNES
Yeargh, GREEN-ASS graphics!
Wow. Another game with no deadlines, cartridge size limitations, with the advantage of modern tools and optimizations, etc. is more impressive than the 30+ year old version. Will wonders never cease.🙄
Make Nintendo consoles look weaker by any means necessary! Its the VC Decide way!
@@SomeOrangeCat You're WAY OUTTA LINE, man! 😝
But is intersting to see what can be achieved with the hardware when there are not budget or time constrains.
I guess it's one of the points of this comparison ?
@@Shyning77 YES, and the list of complaints/comparisons just goes on and on and on... You name it! 👉
As an owner of the Super Nintendo back in the 90s, I must say that this version of Final Fight is superior in every aspect. Everything from 3 characters, 2-player co-op, the breakable telephone booths, and the extra animations makes this arcade perfect 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I have Final Fight CD on the Sega CD. Such a great game!
the Final Fight MD only surpassed the Super Nintendo 30 years later 😂
You know, they didn't even have to try because the superior Mega CD version already existed back then...
Ni me lo puedo imaginar si hubiera salido esto en mega drive en su tiempo.
Vende consolas en NAVIDAD.
LOCURA.
Que salvajada.
Still a work in progress by a tiny team and already it is clearly superior to the SNES version, MegaDrive is the gift that keeps giving. Great job!
A versão do SFC tinha que estar pronta no lançamento do console. A Capcom fez o que deu. Final Fight 2 e 3 provam que a versão de FF1 seria muito melhor se a Capcom tivesse tido mais tempo para trabalhar nela. Fora a questão de ainda estarem aprendendo a trabalhar num hardware até então novo na época.
O do Mega só tem 3 fases e já 28 megabits, o jogo inteiro do Snes tem apenas 8 megabits, ou seja, a versão do Mega tem mais que o triplo de memória do que a versão do Snes, além de ter sido feito com a tecnologia atual e sem limite de memória no cartucho. Kkkkkkkkkkkkkk E o povo quer comparar. 😅
@@JonBR-622Claro que é menor, a resolução da maioria dos jogos do SNES é 256x244. A resolução do Megadrive em contrapartida era 320x224. É por isso que vários jogos do Mega era maior que o mesmo do SNES. Cenários maiores, sprites maiores. É por isso tbm, que a maioria das sprites do SNES eram achatadas. Veja como o Haggar é distorcido no SNES.
E honestamente não é viável descomprimir em realtime. Apesar que quantos loading screen eu já vi em jogos do SNES. 🤣
Já lançaram a versão de md? 😱😱😱
Cool video. A shame Capcom got lazy with the Snes port. For Final Fight 1 this game the genesis was the better version however the snes did do good enough to get 2 exclusive sequels very underrated. I'd even argue FF3 was better than this game because you could do 2 player and or ai auto assist and the gameplay was better.
Megadrive wins y punto, nada que objetar.
30 años después por un grupo fan, oficialmente es inegable que la consola no fue exprimida, la paleta de colores era solvente, su CPU se podía hacer overclocking y el sonido bien utilizado daba perfectamente para el estandar de la época con un sonido limpio, sintético y de calidad.
El monopolio de Super Nintendo consiguió eclipsar la consola con port reguleros y sólo podras ver lo buena consola que era con sus juegos exclusivos Shinobi 3, Comix Zone, Gunstar Heroes, Sonic 2 y 3, Batman & Robin, Robocop vs Terminator o Contra Hard Cop son algunos de ellos e indicaban que la consola podía abordar juegos de la talla de Super Nintendo sin problema.
Dos auténticas consolas titánicas en la mejor generación de todos los tiempos. Grandes 16 bit!!!.
Back in those days, I just had to appreciate the game porting that imitated the arcade version as much as possible. I dreamed of playing the perfect arcade transplant game at home one day. If there were games like Genesis Ver. Final Fight back then, the game industry would probably have been turned upside down. 😁
هل نسخة Md كاملة؟ ام ديمو
Is this the SEGA CD version of Final Fight
Sega version was close to the arcade 😊
The MegaDrive one is the one made in 22024 but looking at Poison on the snes you'd think that was the 2024 version.
não teve Final Fight 1 para o Mega Drive de inicio porque tinha exclusividade com a Nintendo e por isso nunca foi lançado uma versão Standard desse jogo, só agora em 2024 estão fazendo
Pq a grande maioria dos jogos de snes tem tela preta ? 🤔
Do mesmo jeito que muitos jogos do Mega Drive tem enormes barras pretas como Contra Hard Corps, Moonwalker, Vectorman, Thindeforce IV e nunca te incomodou.
geralmente é devido a limitação de tiles do cenário, quanto mais tiles diferente, mais ultrapassa o limite, fazendo com que a tela pisca, ou falte detalhe, se for bem programado vc consegue até burlar isso.
*YOU'RE COMPARING SOMETHING BOOTLEG, TO SOMETHING THAT'S LEGIT AND REAL*
wow...........how can I be down ?
Any time she can make the SNES look weaker, she will. Remember "Weak kick-gate"?
@@SomeOrangeCat - Don't know what that is. But comparing 2 things with a 30+ year gap = such an accomplishment for them
@@cobrakainevereverdies6940 Its when VC Decide tried to make it look like the SNES version of Street Fighter 2 had choppy animation, by doing a comparison of Chun-Li's kicks. Now anyone who's played the game can tell you that the weaker attacks appear faster, because they use fewer animation frames. But she was trying to pass off the weakest kick on the SNES as the strongest, when confronted about it, she tried to claim it was an honest mistake. Here's the thing though, she's an avid fighting game player. She did it on purpose. She's from Brazil, loving Sega is a national sport there, and cheating is absolutely on the table for her.
@@SomeOrangeCat - I come on here for a LAUGH and that's what I get most of the time. BTW the Street Fighter experience is dramatically better on SNES and SNES had the 6 buttons in their unique way FIRST. BTW didn't Playstation take "pretty" much the exact prototype of a SNES controller for their controller ???
@@cobrakainevereverdies6940 Exactly, like with most things Sega made, their controller layout was an evolutionary dead end.
Please compare Tekken Advance for GBA vs Tekken 1 for PS1.
Incredible programming! 🤯💯👏 Wish there could be a physical release on MD! 🤩
Super Famicom version It is very abbreviated, yes, but it plays excellent, there is something in its control that surpasses the Mega CD version, only in that the control, how it reacts to the commands when hitting...
Well, this Megadrive version has enormous merit, it looks AND SOUNDS incredible, but it lacks a lot in terms of playability to be the Arcade or the Sharp X68000 version.
No bar do Final Fight do Snes não tem ninguém kkkkkk
Foi um erro de programação da Capcom, pois tem eles nos arquivos do jogo, mas esqueceram de ativar. No Final Fight Guy aparece.
O erro de programação foi corrigido na versão europeia do jogo. Na verdade, as pessoas no bar estão lá, mas não aparecem devido a um erro de programação.
I always knew there was a plot with megadrive... in the 90s. the games were terrible for the megadrive. but here we can see the true power of that console. Megadrive wins😊
it's so shame. MD is such a good console.
That MD version makes me all warm and fuzzy inside 🤗🤗🤗
Que tal depois uma comparação com a versão do Sega CD (para mim a melhor até hoje).
Realmente estou impressionado com esse Hack do MD!! Sensacional!! Grande trabalho!! Parabens aos envolvidos!! Mas a versão de Snes é sensacional também!! Jogo muito ela e adoro!! E ter no Mega é muito bacana!!
GENSIS do what nintendon't!
Hahaha yes, one in a trillion games where they won...
@@DarthPferd no, there are a lot. Genesis do, Genesis do what Nintendon't!
@@fayg6 no
Mesmo rodando a 30fps no mega draive e mais satisfatório dois players e mais inimigos na tela uma belezura
S.E.G.A
Sega was always great when it came to arcade to home console likeness especially with capcom games like STRIDER now im just discovering FINAL FIGHT as well. From the graphics,sound effects voice likeness and the music SEGA WINS HANDS DOWN.
How oh how don I get my hands on the Genesis/Mega Drive version, physically?
It yet another homebrew that will probably never get finished, just like most of Gasega68K's projects.
@@SomeOrangeCat sad. It’s magnificent!
@@brichan1851 It kind of drives home the main issue with these comparisons. You have the finished product someone was under the gun to complete with all kinds of restrictions placed on them vs a passion project the creator has no real incentive to even finish, if they don't feel like it.
@@SomeOrangeCat I hope he does, though. I’d at least love to get the finished ROM.
@@SomeOrangeCat And then there is also the issue with copyrights/licensing... How do we even know fer shure, if Capcom would sanction this project?
It's a shame they didn't release this version for Genesis at that time because it would have wiped out the SNES version for sure.
This version wouldn't have existed. The Genesis would have gotten the same game that SNES did, but perhaps with even more cutbacks, as Capcom had no faith in the Genesis.
Licensing issues, bro...
@@SomeOrangeCat True. Capcom sure would have went with a rather lazy port, as rushed as the SNES one. Maybe they could have kept all three playable characters and 2-player coop though, with less slowdown than in the SNES version, but the cartridge size would still have been an issue, as a 32 Mb cartridge would have been way too expensive back then.
Tirando os slowdons que está na fase do metro no Mega Drive, ficou top.
Essa versão do MD foi feita com amor, o sucesso seria gigantesco se lançado na época.
E de 2 jogadores ainda pra humilhar 😂😂 e isso que ainda esta no beta, imagina a final que vão melhorar muita coisa...
I always hope that one day someone will be able to make a faithful version of the Altered Beast arcade game.😁
Certa vez fiz uma combinação de 3 mods no final fight guy. O primeiro foi um mod para diminuir algumas diferenças com o arcade, a segunda foi fast rom, que diminuia os lags e por último um mod de multiplayer, que apesar de não ser perfeito, diverte. Acho que valeria a pena essa comparação com o de Mega.
Comparação ao meu ver bem desleal. Na época o SNES era um hardware recém lançado ainda a explorar. Cortaram itens na versão dele por conta do custo final. Já essa versão do Mega foi produzida mais de duas décadas depois com recursos mais modernos, conhecendo bem o hardware.
Mas qual era o tamanho da equipe do snes? A equipe com certeza
Era muito maior e tinha suporte da Nintendo e Capcom. A do mega So tem 3 pessoas sem nenhum apoio oficial da sega e da Capcom. Os caras literalmente colocaram a mao na massa sem apoio nenhum
@@Acom987, sem clubismo. amigo! Estamos falando do intervalo de 32 anos! Há coisas no passado em que era necessário uma equipe para ser realizado e hoje uma única pessoa pode fazê-lo, por assim dizer.
@@eliow sim intervalo de 32 anos com certeza aumentou o conhecimento do hardware. so que a equipe do snes com certeza era de programadores excelentes do japao e deveria ser muito maior em quantidadede pessoas. A Capcom era empresa top da epoca. Sem contar que eles recebiam kits de desenvolvimento da Nintendo. Nao acho que a versao seja ruim , mas acho bem decepcionante tendo em vista o hardware do snes e a versao que eles fizeram do street fighter 2 que ficou execelente. P mim faltou dedicação, tempo e investimento na versão do snes
@@Acom987, pode ter faltado esmero da thirdie sim! E eu levo em consideração também hardware novo e inexplorado, chip de armazenamento com menor capacidade para diminuir custos, prazos apertados pra coincidir com o lançamento do console. Quanto a kits de desenvolvimento, programar hoje em dia para um game moderno pode ser caro e desafiador, agora reprogramar um game antigo para um console descontinuado de 30 anos atrás é bem menos complexo. Não é só o aumento do conhecimento de hardware, o código de Final Fight bem como os esquemas de hardware do SNES e Mega estão aí disponíveis para quem quiser se aventurar. A programação e o PC evoluíram horrores de lá pra cá! Anos são séculos na informática. Obs.: Gosto da versão de SNES por ser o que eu tinha na época, mas hoje para mim não faz sentido revisitar, jogo a versão do arcade disponível em algum console moderno.
Genesis clearly wins here, but there are ~30 years between those versions. The only better things on SNES are the sound and the colors.
No.
@@chrisw8069 yes.
The slowdown that happens in the genesis with the barrels shouldn't really need to happen, sprites that are not moving don't take any cpu time or DMA time if they're not being animated so it should be possible to fix it. Proof is if you pause the cpu the sprites still stay on the screen.
I just wonder how it's gonna handle things, when the game starts throwin' like 8 to 10 enemies at you all at the same time in the later levels... Even the arcade version's CPS1 hardware suffered some VERY apparent and noticeable slowdowns whenever that shit happens! Plus with 2 players on the screen, you would be having like 10 or 12 moving sprites on the screen. Do you think that would even be technically possible on the Genesis? 😲
O snes faria muito mais que isso.
Se a porcaria do mega drive fez isso. Imagina o snes
faria sim... igual teve que tirar opção de 4 player de jogos de luta pq não aguenta rodar kkkkk...
e o outros final fight q tem no maximo 4 inimigos por tela kkkk
mega não é porcaria, mas sim o snes teria como fazer um port no mesmo nivel que o do mega fácil.
Sempre gostei mais de Streets of Rage, o Mega Drive foi o console da minha infância, me criei jogando Streets of Rage.
Blast processing wins 2:38
Always thanks for the good content but, maybe somewhat awkward comparison, I would say...
Era uma vadiagem esperta dos desenvolvedores da capcom, eles só não deixaram a versão de snes assim como não fizeram pra mega drive talvez pelo motivo de que se você quisesse jogar a versão completa e melhorada, teria que ser só no arcade, obviamente não ficaria no mesmo nível mas seria parecido e sendo assim isso seria um problema pra eles já que eles visavam lucros reais nos arcades e não nos consoles caseiros
Nada, era exclusivo do SNES. Por que vc acha que SNES "ganhou" a geração? Você acha que o Mario vendeu console, ou que Street Fighter 2 vendeu console na época?
@@leandrocerencio desse ponto de vista vc tá certo!