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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  Год назад +112

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    • @Anarchy_420
      @Anarchy_420 Год назад +4

      F-15STOL/MTD VS NGAD

    • @leonardoXDSWL
      @leonardoXDSWL Год назад +1

      does the DCS take into account the six radars of the Su-57?

    • @psycho3v345
      @psycho3v345 Год назад

      Can u remake the 3 ufo 🛸 shot down

    • @dimitri1154
      @dimitri1154 Год назад +1

      Love these videos, unfortunately the comments section turns into a pissing contest 😀

    • @hkguitar1984
      @hkguitar1984 Год назад +1

      Fantastic GS, a very tight engagement, I was on the edge of my seat after you made the merge.

  • @veldrin055
    @veldrin055 Год назад +3644

    F-22's 5th generation stealth was a massive factor in its recent 4-0 engagements with balloons and UFOs

    • @recon17
      @recon17 Год назад +247

      3-0. The 4th ufo/uap was shotdown by an f-16.

    • @eeeeeek
      @eeeeeek Год назад +93

      @@recon17 so now f16 got stealth too??

    • @recon17
      @recon17 Год назад +93

      @@eeeeeekyou don't need stealth to shoot down a high altitude object, just the ability to fly really high.
      F-16 has a great t/w ratio.
      Btw, the object that the F-16 shot down was flying lower than the one that was shot by the F-22.

    • @tbmdd
      @tbmdd Год назад +83

      F-22 3-0 SU-57 0-0

    • @daxili9322
      @daxili9322 Год назад +33

      considered all the balloons cost ~$100 bucks/each, F-22's suffered huge lost

  • @constablemittens
    @constablemittens Год назад +2409

    Its a good thing your optical radar defeated the stealth on those power lines last second.

    • @leonardoXDSWL
      @leonardoXDSWL Год назад +27

      does the DCS take into account the six radars of the Su-57?

    • @maverickmissile801
      @maverickmissile801 Год назад +101

      @@leonardoXDSWL dawg what 💀

    • @williamphillips24
      @williamphillips24 Год назад +71

      @@maverickmissile801 I think he's referring to the side arrays. It allows them to turn away to a certain degree and still provide guidance to the missiles but as the range and power isn't as high as the main radar in the nose it's mostly for maintaining awareness.

    • @zachornsby285
      @zachornsby285 Год назад +60

      Dude he’s talking about how he almost hit the power lines 😂 you guys are slow, OPTICAL RADAR = his eyes 👀 cuz he saw it at the last second

    • @maverickmissile801
      @maverickmissile801 Год назад +35

      @@zachornsby285 the main comment is... Yes we understand the joke and it's quite funny but we weren't talking about that.

  • @fanman71
    @fanman71 Год назад +1308

    Epic battle. It was crazy how off bore his missile essentially did a complete 180 & almost took you out.

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Год назад +271

      Ya the archer is a scary missile

    • @danielayers3054
      @danielayers3054 Год назад +21

      I know right, I never really seen one do that before either.

    • @IcyBliels
      @IcyBliels Год назад +48

      Those Archers are straight out of Wanted

    • @bojned
      @bojned Год назад +14

      @@danielayers3054 Israeli python missiles do that regularly.

    • @b2spirita
      @b2spirita Год назад +3

      @@bojned why are they launching so far off boresight regularly?

  • @wipplewopple1876
    @wipplewopple1876 Год назад +1066

    Something you did well at hinting at throughout the video is that Stealth doesn't strictly mean undetectable, but rather very hard to achieve weapons-grade lock.

    • @sety5591
      @sety5591 Год назад +46

      @@nickhayley probably because accurate radar is short wave, but short wave is absorbed by stealth paint, while long wave is not as accurate, but is not absorbed by stealth paint.

    • @icaleinns6233
      @icaleinns6233 Год назад +3

      whoops, I should have read the comments before I put up my own. My comment exactly mirrors yours, only with a tick more techno speak. Nice one!

    • @PhilipTrouble
      @PhilipTrouble Год назад +34

      @@nickhayleytheres a difference between seeing an enemy on radar and seeing it so crystal clear that you can precisely guide a missile onto it

    • @MrOtistetrax
      @MrOtistetrax Год назад

      People think Stealth means "invisible" but really it's a spectrum of Low Observability.

    • @zachary_smith1
      @zachary_smith1 Год назад +1

      Yea there’s some great videos out there talking about this. There not invis to early warning long range radar rather invis to a lot of missle locks.

  • @HM-yh6ys
    @HM-yh6ys Год назад +1608

    I never get tired of Felon vs Raptor 😄

    • @ogFIEND
      @ogFIEND Год назад +83

      Raptor vs. anything is an automatic click for me

    • @tlndblood8776
      @tlndblood8776 Год назад +17

      Personally I prefer fourth gen but these are still an automatic click for me.

    • @user-tm5pn3ov9o
      @user-tm5pn3ov9o Год назад +28

      Imagine if they had a YF23 in DCS

    • @beanieteamie7435
      @beanieteamie7435 Год назад +32

      If only DCS was even a remotely accurate 5th gen sim.

    • @gamerboy7820
      @gamerboy7820 Год назад +5

      It’s the opposite for me

  • @marendur
    @marendur Год назад +53

    "Give up Felon, I have the high cloud!"

    • @bernardsoh3559
      @bernardsoh3559 2 месяца назад +2

      I heard that in the voice of Ewan McGregor

  • @dystopianlucidity4448
    @dystopianlucidity4448 Год назад +776

    GS my dude, if you need time for a break for health, your very real fan base will stand behind you and wait for a video, family and health come first my man!
    As an addendum, I admire the dedication you have put into providing us with outstanding videos.mad respect from Rob in Florida.

    • @braedynhoward3644
      @braedynhoward3644 Год назад +10

      Is he having health issues?

    • @dystopianlucidity4448
      @dystopianlucidity4448 Год назад +22

      @@braedynhoward3644 it sounds like he has a stuffy nose. Also his energy is a little off.

    • @braedynhoward3644
      @braedynhoward3644 Год назад +16

      @@dystopianlucidity4448 Oh ok. Yeah I noticed. Your comment had me worried though XD

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Год назад +378

      Love you guys, I took 4 days off so far getting over this cold and I love making these videos so I’m literally excited to be back doing it, maybe a little too early cuz it seems everyone can tell I was out with a cold 😆

    • @Endelin
      @Endelin Год назад +100

      @@GrowlingSidewinder The stealth on your cold totally failed. Get well soon!

  • @michaelpascual3581
    @michaelpascual3581 Год назад +207

    The howl of the Felon as he searched for you is so badass. Badass as always, GS.

    • @mattt525
      @mattt525 Год назад +3

      Thing sounds meannnn

  • @agera.rs7
    @agera.rs7 Год назад +253

    Finally a very hard fight. The felon made the critical mistake of being toooooo slow, probably miscalculated, and you ended up just above him

    • @S1lverarrow
      @S1lverarrow Год назад +5

      skill

    • @MrTesteur
      @MrTesteur Год назад +4

      the frelon made the mistake of dropping shtlds of flares way too early as well

    • @Ripa-Moramee
      @Ripa-Moramee 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@MrTesteurpre flaring is important

    • @lukeari9890
      @lukeari9890 11 месяцев назад +1

      He was banking on that missile hitting

  • @callsingadder
    @callsingadder Год назад +66

    The su-57 sound is just perfect

  • @KZ-se4ik
    @KZ-se4ik Год назад +297

    We'll never know till actual combat occurs, but the consistency with which the SU57 seems to get a firing solution first in this and other engagements is surprising, and given what I've read, a little suspect.

    • @little_error295
      @little_error295 Год назад +43

      It has the longest range AA kill also it has enormous L band radars all along both of its wings so that helps 😂

    • @ltcuddles685
      @ltcuddles685 Год назад +131

      Extremely suspect even. It's their first generation of airborne AESA radar, while the F-22 is on a 4th generation AESA with lots of real world testing and the world's best microprocessing and programming available to improve it.
      Both modules are just mods though, so consistency on either is dubious at the very best.

    • @reboundrides8132
      @reboundrides8132 Год назад +127

      This is dcs. They aren’t even real flight models they are mods. This is not anywhere close to how a real scenario would play out.

    • @nobleman-swerve
      @nobleman-swerve Год назад

      @@little_error295 Yeah coming from Russia which has claimed to have shot down more fixed-wing Ukrainian assets than the Ukrainians actually have I'm not too sure if I believe that. Especially considering the bloody thing is still hasn't been cleared for active service.

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot Год назад +81

      What has the longest air to air kill? Not the Su57. They are not and likely never will be front line fighters.
      FFS, there are all of 11 "production" aircraft. 21 total if you count prototypes. It's the T14 Armata of the sky.

  • @syper51
    @syper51 Год назад +203

    Your videos are so entertaining… thanks for being somebody i can watch when i feel like junk. You are a very underrated channel. Your the reason I’m in to DCS. Thanks man

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Год назад +42

      Very nice of you man, Thank you for watching, I appreciate your support. Much love.

    • @Umairy76470
      @Umairy76470 Год назад

      And very informative as well

    • @mysticboy3373
      @mysticboy3373 Год назад +1

      Same here. (Btw to every comment that says that at least the Su-57 shot down a fighter which the f-22 did not yet. Well, the US didn't deploy the f-22 on a fighter yet because there wasn't a target that was worth the F-22's presence. The F-22 will always be superior to the Su-57).

    • @plutoidrepublic2765
      @plutoidrepublic2765 Год назад

      if u need any comfort im here

  • @herbderbler1585
    @herbderbler1585 Год назад +261

    Looks like the Su-57 is a pretty solid peer to the F-22 in DCS. Victory will come down to the skills of and strategy of the pilot.

    • @NoahDVS
      @NoahDVS Год назад +99

      He said in the beginning that he reduced the stealth of the F-22 for this video though.

    • @niko7903
      @niko7903 Год назад +61

      ​@@NoahDVS Exactly, in previous engagements the Felon had noticeably more difficulty gaining a solid track. This was a bit more fun.

    • @ary2407
      @ary2407 Год назад +5

      And the luck

    • @S1lverarrow
      @S1lverarrow Год назад +45

      @@NoahDVS yes but in this simulator I dobt they programed the Su-57 with 5 radar as it is in reality, in reality Su-57 got 5 radars palced all over its body, increasing situation awareness, and allow it to guide misslie even when looking away. 3 S-brand radar and 2 L-brand radar with better stealth detection. Nobody know how that would work yet, so there is no way to program it in DCS.

    • @user-bw6jg4ej2m
      @user-bw6jg4ej2m Год назад +68

      @@S1lverarrow yeah-yeah, _on paper_ they're the world's 2nd army...

  • @caimanaraujo479
    @caimanaraujo479 Год назад +9

    Dude this was one of the best videos you made, so engaging and tense, with great editing, explanations, close calls, and something I will always love: BVR fight to Dogfight. Its just so cool to see how would it be possible for a dogfight to take place in a more realistic setting, instead of a duel. This is just badass.

  • @moonage_
    @moonage_ Год назад +21

    The SU-57's howl sounds incredible in DCS

  • @atreus7839
    @atreus7839 Год назад +10

    Honestly one of the best modern style dogfights you’ve given us so far. great content. As usual. Those close calls were amazing.

  • @heyidiot
    @heyidiot Год назад +283

    5:00 Judging from that sonic boom, if they could look out their window and see an F-22 fly under those power lines, the window would already be broken.

    • @Mcree114
      @Mcree114 Год назад +22

      And the powerlines blown off the poles probably.

    • @bojned
      @bojned Год назад +5

      And they would have shattered glass in their face.

    • @covahredro8370
      @covahredro8370 Год назад +8

      @@Mcree114 No those ones are too big and well sunk into the ground for that to happen. Would certainly make them vibrate though.

    • @covahredro8370
      @covahredro8370 Год назад +3

      I doubt it, would have to be right underneath the flight path. I've had F16s blast over the place I used to live, it just made the windows(and every else)rattle pretty hard. Though I have heard people say they've had windows broken, but in those instances the jet blew straight down low right over their house.

    • @bojned
      @bojned Год назад

      @@covahredro8370 In your opinion, how low should he be flying if he is going under power lines already? 😂😂

  • @nathaniellazo5912
    @nathaniellazo5912 Год назад +16

    5:00 Nice cinematic of dodging the powerlines!!
    That was close.

  • @QuestoDomini
    @QuestoDomini Год назад +18

    The felon from what I read as reported have a targeting pod out in front of the canopy that ruins “stealth”, along with all this rivets and naked jet outlets. So not exactly stealth, but perhaps “stealthy”.

    • @ThunderChunky101
      @ThunderChunky101 Год назад +8

      "Stealthish"?

    • @johnnyblack2652
      @johnnyblack2652 Год назад +7

      @@ThunderChunky101 "stealth adjacent"

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 Год назад

      Common mistake to judge a Felon by the PAK-FA look.

    • @gaiofattos2
      @gaiofattos2 Год назад

      The IRST didn't help the EF2000 against the Raptor It's a short range sensor in a aircraft that will be showing in F-22 radar at +100 km.

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 Год назад +1

      @@gaiofattos2 Simulation fights always come with serious restrictions and thus can't be counted on.

  • @joshr.8010
    @joshr.8010 Год назад +28

    dogfights are cool but the bvr stuff is so fascinating to me

    • @ruehl3853
      @ruehl3853 Год назад

      By the end I was celebrating like my team had won World Cup. Personally id always stick to the ww2 stuff these Missles aren’t for me 😅

  • @F0X_two
    @F0X_two Год назад +50

    Oh well, you don’t sound too good… get well soon GS, and take a break if necessary! ❤ But still got to admire the dedication

    • @jaype331
      @jaype331 Год назад +2

      I swear bro everyone in America just got sick. I've seen several RUclipsrs all sound sick at the same time including me and my family and my friends

    • @ThunderChunky101
      @ThunderChunky101 Год назад +1

      It's being locked indoors for so long.

  • @codychild2665
    @codychild2665 Год назад +10

    Sweet victory! You might -say you almost died 4 times with those power lines. A lifetime of almost is a lifetime of never. 👏

  • @itskaptainmikey4399
    @itskaptainmikey4399 Год назад +66

    This needs to be remade but with Lingshot flying the Felon, he’s much better at flying flanker type jets and I don’t think he would’ve made the same mistake.

    • @caimanaraujo479
      @caimanaraujo479 Год назад +3

      There is already a video of them fighting bvr to dogfight, but the f-22 wasn't capped.

    • @NateTheGreat187
      @NateTheGreat187 Год назад

      Maverick already smoked two of them, so…

  • @thebushwook1e
    @thebushwook1e Год назад +20

    hey man those SU-57 RCS wood screws really do help with stealth

    • @nemanja162
      @nemanja162 Год назад +5

      Today on shit that never happened 😂

    • @comareborn8734
      @comareborn8734 5 месяцев назад +5

      T-50 prototype. Production Su-57s don't have those...

  • @gfl7lion718
    @gfl7lion718 Год назад +4

    I just love the 5th gen fighter videos! They are always just so different and you never know what to expect

  • @omgmyspleen3582
    @omgmyspleen3582 Год назад +20

    Fantastic fight by both parties. Had me at the edge of my seat just watching. Can’t imagine how it must’ve been for you both!
    Also, rest up man. Hope you feel better soon.

  • @mattfraynor
    @mattfraynor Год назад +3

    That’s the most exciting and entertaining dogfight/video I’ve seen on your channel. Great stuff!

  • @Eduzumaki
    @Eduzumaki Год назад +1

    One of the best videos i've seen since a long time. Thank you so much for the great quality content.
    Been here since 2020 and never seen such a good fight as this one.

  • @schrodingerscat996
    @schrodingerscat996 Год назад +22

    You can think about stealth as a glass: while it's transparent for visible spectrum, it is still solid for infrared and ultraviolet wave lengths. And Su-35/57 and S-300/400 can emit other wave lengths - X-band and L-band. The range of EM wave frequencies object is invisible for is depended on the distance between molecules (look up diffraction formulas), so there is no way to make object stealthy for all the frequencies at the same time

    • @aleksalukovic4180
      @aleksalukovic4180 Год назад +3

      Thank you for the comment, very insightful, you made is very easy to understand!

  • @lordisback1947
    @lordisback1947 Год назад +63

    The fun thing about su57 is that it has 3 radars which is n036 x band one on nose and two on sides and 2 transceivers n036 L band on wing leading edge flaps. Now, the radars help it lock on Target or guide on target even while defending itself and the transceivers help it use friend and foe system and electronic warfare. So, i believe DCS su57 is not at all close to the real one and it could be something different and will surprise in future

    • @NationChosenByGod
      @NationChosenByGod Год назад +18

      The same for the F-22 as well.

    • @s87343jim
      @s87343jim Год назад +3

      Yeah, both of them are mods made by the community members

    • @BOXabaca
      @BOXabaca Год назад +11

      DCS doesn't go so far as to simulate real RF, so everything the radar/ECM/etc do are contrivances for sim purposes, and often balanced a bit (nerfed) for fair gameplay.

    • @TOx1CC
      @TOx1CC Год назад +3

      actually 4 radars, N036 x1, N036B x2 (both cheeks), N036Kh x1 (in the tail section, rear facing)

    • @dennisa7784
      @dennisa7784 Год назад +13

      It's so stealthy too that it's never been seen in combat at all

  • @WoodliceCC
    @WoodliceCC Год назад +1

    Love these mixed fights, of long range engagement leading to a merged dogfight. Obvs, you can't control if you kill each other at long range or not, but just saying I like your videos that are a bit different from the pure, close range dogfights (but I do love those as well). Also, just to say I've only recently discovered your channel but you've given me hours of entertainment already. THANK YOU!!!!!

  • @jchrystsheigh
    @jchrystsheigh Год назад +2

    Incredible fight! So many times that it could have ended fatally for both of you until you finally caught him in that low-energy state and got the kill.

  • @Matterian
    @Matterian Год назад +14

    Absolutely love this video. You got me on the duck under the wires!! I rocked in my chair!! LOL. MORE!!! MORE!!!

    • @Glow_RL
      @Glow_RL 2 месяца назад +1

      How did you get these emojis?

    • @Matterian
      @Matterian 2 месяца назад

      @@Glow_RL By clicking "Join" and becoming a channel member you get access to these emojis

  • @itsdokko2990
    @itsdokko2990 Год назад +22

    oh man, i didn't know the SU-57 has intake noises like the Avro Vulcan used to have, that howling sure is great pyschological warfare.
    and that fight had me on the edge!

    • @reboundrides8132
      @reboundrides8132 Год назад +6

      Psychological warfare!? they have one that’s operational and it’s capability has been widely over exaggerated.

    • @b2spirita
      @b2spirita Год назад +10

      @@reboundrides8132 he's just talking about the sound, calm yourself.

    • @reboundrides8132
      @reboundrides8132 Год назад +1

      @@b2spirita yeah I’m bouncing off the walls over here. This comment is equivalent to the Russian army shouting “ura” in their parade.

    • @b2spirita
      @b2spirita Год назад +2

      @@reboundrides8132 sounds concerning.

    • @recon17
      @recon17 Год назад +3

      @@reboundrides8132 now that is over exaggerated.

  • @darrellseike3185
    @darrellseike3185 Год назад +1

    Awesome dogfight! That Archer flying by your plane was crazy! You could hear it!

  • @deanlawson6880
    @deanlawson6880 11 месяцев назад

    Wow GS!! That was an amazing engagement! Congrats on that win. Hard fought. You definitely earned that one!
    That was amazing to watch!! Thanks for this!!

  • @tedf7843
    @tedf7843 Год назад +8

    SU-57 sounds like a tie fighter sound effect from Star Wars

  • @franknitti6328
    @franknitti6328 Год назад +22

    Interesting fight, I could not imagine the felon could get so close but I think that, if tracking, an R37 missile might be even more dangerous and get closer if compared with the r77 as showed in the video f22 vs mig 31.

    • @phunkracy
      @phunkracy Год назад

      In a target heavy environment aka WW3 the ranges suddenly decrease.

  • @williammartin9254
    @williammartin9254 Год назад

    Pretty intense vid. Loved the fact it went from bvr and ended up in the merge. The ferocity of the tone when it came to the merge definitely makes this my top favorite vid of yours.

  • @eagle19551
    @eagle19551 Год назад

    This was a very entertaining , exciting , and suspenseful video. Clearly one of the best I’ve watched . I was in the edge of my seat . Nice job

  • @I_Show_Freedom69
    @I_Show_Freedom69 Год назад +10

    Another good day since sidewinder uploaded

  • @MattWaller04
    @MattWaller04 Год назад +3

    This was an EXCELLENT battle! Man, really feel like the only reason you won here was luck. Sometimes that’s all you need!

  • @captainicelander3898
    @captainicelander3898 Год назад

    One of the best heavy weight fights i've seen in DCS! Holy Moly!! Great work GS

  • @zachschaeffer4079
    @zachschaeffer4079 Год назад

    This is my favorite video you have made so far. My brothers and I were watching it on our TV and we were totally intrigued by your amazing skills. Thank you!

  • @jamesgivens9997
    @jamesgivens9997 Год назад +66

    Considering the Radar cross section of a SU57 is the size of a big truck tire and the radar cross section of a F22 is the size of a marble, I would say that the stealth capability of the f22 is quite impressive and accomplishment in itself

    • @user-gx3nf8xg7q
      @user-gx3nf8xg7q 10 месяцев назад +12

      How do you know the radar cross section of the su 57? Your friends from the CIA? Have you read in the media? Man caricature...

    • @JR777.mp4
      @JR777.mp4 10 месяцев назад +26

      ​@@user-gx3nf8xg7qsukhoi leaked documents. Quiet, kid. I know it's hard when nobody loves and supports you 💔

    • @user-hn2oz1cv6f
      @user-hn2oz1cv6f 10 месяцев назад +15

      ​@@user-gx3nf8xg7q You don't have to be an expert to know the RCS of an F-22 or a Su-57. The main problem is the huge radar ahead of the F-22 or Su-57. This radar reflects the radio signal better than anything in the world because it is designed to receive the signal. So the RCS of these fighters cannot be lower than the diameter of these radars, so it is definitely higher than 0.1, because 0.1 is the diameter of a Tomahawk cruise missile in flight, and the width of the radar is higher than a Tomahawk missile. This is not to mention other signal receivers, which are stuffed with fifth-generation fighters.
      It is simply impossible to hide this radar anywhere, all developments to reduce the visibility of onboard radars do not give significant results.
      It is important to realize that such fighters as the F22 and Su-57 achieve maximum effectiveness at high altitude and high speed. In such conditions, their missiles fly significantly farther. And if you know the principle of operation of pulse Doppler radars, you should realize that in such conditions their visibility increases many times. Because of the Doppler effect.)
      That's why there's no radar on F117 or B2.
      Stealth on fighters is as much marketing as super maneuverability.

    • @Greasy__Bear
      @Greasy__Bear 10 месяцев назад +3

      No body really knows how stealthy the su57. all we know is its probably less than the raptor and more than an su35 with radar absorbent paint.
      I think it would be foolish to underestimate the su57, especially with the crazy radar they have in the thing.

    • @xnosniper3874
      @xnosniper3874 10 месяцев назад +6

      ​@@Greasy__Bearthe f-22 is classed as a stealth aircraft while the su-57 is class as low visibility, it isn't even worth comparing these aircraft

  • @Plymouth-Interlocking
    @Plymouth-Interlocking Год назад +3

    That was an epic battle!
    I love that it went to the merge naturally!

  • @murph3194
    @murph3194 Год назад +1

    I love all of these videos but some more than others. This was def one of them. Well done. Always love the F22 and A10 vids but for some reason I think the WWII vids are my fav. Idk why I just love em.

  • @chrisvaughan2462
    @chrisvaughan2462 2 месяца назад

    I love how much of a tactical play takes place during the fight, you’re expecting it’s going to be like Top Gun, but it was like the chess game and ending was epic, both fighters are so good that only a mistake decided the fate of the match! Very good video!

  • @gotspeed_
    @gotspeed_ Год назад +3

    Excellent flying, you make it look so good. Great video and commentary. Keep up the awesome videos.

  • @csjrogerson2377
    @csjrogerson2377 Год назад +14

    Stealth is a relative term which depends on the relative capability of RCS reduction on one side versus increasing power and sensitivity of the radar and its tracking capability on the other. Just depends on which makes the most advances over the other. Then dont forget DCS is just guessing.

    • @BMP2U
      @BMP2U 4 месяца назад

      Neeerrddd

  • @SeaWasp
    @SeaWasp Год назад +1

    That archer had your number man! That was a tense fight! Way to go 👍

  • @dillpickle7844
    @dillpickle7844 Год назад +1

    You dipping under those line was ballsy, I love it

  • @HabitualButtonPusher
    @HabitualButtonPusher Год назад +6

    They need to find a way to incorporate the SU57 IRST sensor and IRST sensors on all the jets that have them

  • @danielayers3054
    @danielayers3054 Год назад

    GS that was an awesome showcase and flying underneath those power lines...you are ready for Top Gun, really nice set of skills you have young man.

  • @FenrisSulfr
    @FenrisSulfr Год назад

    Damn dude that was an awesome fight!! keep it up!! hopefully in the future some more CAS A-10 vids^^

  • @jaidenheger6190
    @jaidenheger6190 Год назад +13

    by the looks of it the felon is more of an energy fighter after making the mistake of being far too slow...like you said its quite the large plane...

    • @zebimicio5204
      @zebimicio5204 Год назад +2

      The felon isnt really any larger than the f22. If we took the tail tip off, its literally the same length of a raptor
      By total dimension, the f22 is the lsrgest 5th gen stealth fighter aircraft (its heavier and is thicker than both su57 and j20)

    • @jaidenheger6190
      @jaidenheger6190 Год назад +1

      @@zebimicio5204 thanks for the info...im unsure of jets passed gen 3-4

  • @ronniebauman28
    @ronniebauman28 Год назад +24

    Excited to hear Ryan(Max Afterburner) break this one down with his knowledge and experience.
    What a battle.

    • @narcissus79
      @narcissus79 Год назад +1

      he probably won't talk too much about the BVR stuff.. most of those tactics are Secret Squirrel 🤫

    • @myronplatte8354
      @myronplatte8354 Год назад

      Hear ye!

    • @ronniebauman28
      @ronniebauman28 Год назад

      @@narcissus79 more like flying squirrel. 😉
      I'm sorry. I'll see myself out. Lol

  • @dtar380
    @dtar380 4 месяца назад

    10 minutes of fight, thats impresive, and both had to use all their missiles even Sidewinders

  • @darienstinson9023
    @darienstinson9023 Год назад +1

    This DF was fun the F-22 maneuverability is no joke that powerline dip had me laughing I didn't even see it at first 😂

  • @WarriorKidd06
    @WarriorKidd06 Год назад +4

    These two planes have been described as two leaves falling in the wind when they face off and it’s so true. Great video

  • @Zgaming8557
    @Zgaming8557 8 месяцев назад +5

    I strongly suspect Russia's ability to break F-22 stealth is overstated, and I strongly suspect the Su-57 isn't as good as we think it is.

    • @frostedhams
      @frostedhams 4 месяца назад +1

      Just like with the mig 25

    • @ohger1
      @ohger1 24 дня назад +3

      One thing we know as fact is that Russia always exaggerates their capability and the U.S. downplays theirs.

  • @nightt4ng077
    @nightt4ng077 Год назад +1

    I just think its insane how at 5:06 you couldnt hear the f-22 until it was past the pov guy. Amazing stealth fighter.

  • @IsraeliDino
    @IsraeliDino Год назад

    My oh my, what an excellent video!
    Loved it, thanks for the faceoff!

  • @ELITEeliteelite
    @ELITEeliteelite Год назад +3

    crazy see a jet fly under power lines.llove your vids GS

  • @vaclavkolar6750
    @vaclavkolar6750 Год назад +23

    The system russians could use is probably something like Czechoslovakian Tamara radar from 1986. Instead of radiating waves and picking reflected ones, tamara radiates all directions waves that reflect from ionosphere and picks all of them. So instead of picking reflected waves, tamara shows target location where there are no waves accepted back, therefore it doesnt really matter if youre stealth or not, Tamara picks you anyway

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot Год назад +11

      It's a wavelength thing. Lower wavelengths can actually see stealthy aircraft, but targeting radars are higher freq and effectively blind.
      Though this info comes from Russian evaluation of the F-117.

    • @fshn4x4
      @fshn4x4 Год назад

      Irrelevant to missile lock * shrug *

    • @sombraarthur
      @sombraarthur Год назад +3

      @@fshn4x4 it is not. FIrst firing solutions use lower wavelengths. You can do a dual firing solution missile (it is going to cost more, but can be done) where you can combine lower wavelengths to detect with a IR solution to switch to when close to the target.
      Dual tracking heads are nothing out of the orinary.

    • @akborealisdevstringerdesig3845
      @akborealisdevstringerdesig3845 Год назад +1

      That makes no sense. Maybe the reason why russia hasnt won a dogfight since ww1.

    • @baronnuuke7821
      @baronnuuke7821 Год назад +3

      Actually the stinger use a similar technology. While its main way of seeking it's target is IR, it also cross calculate a profile with negative UV (aka : this point doesn't give me sunlight back). I wouldn't be surprised if you could shoot down a F22 with a Stinger

  • @Clouds_2914
    @Clouds_2914 Год назад

    One of the coolest battles on here. I absolutely loved this one.

  • @AP-te6mk
    @AP-te6mk Год назад +2

    Watching on my laptop I would've 100% hit the power lines. I didn't even see them until you pointed it out lol.

  • @qirx5904
    @qirx5904 Год назад +3

    Great video as always but can you do a Eurofighter vs F-22 BVR engagement I would love to see that

  • @hritamnath4919
    @hritamnath4919 Год назад +4

    Felon has L band arrays on the leading edges of the wings for detecting stealthy objects. Though not suitable for guiding a missile, they can at least give a general direction and position of a stealth aircraft. Dunno whether it has been implemented in DCS

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 Год назад

      It has side arrays and IRST as well

    • @hritamnath4919
      @hritamnath4919 Год назад

      @@victorzvyagintsev1325 side arrays are X band like the main radar! For stealthy targets, IRST and L band arrays will be useful

    • @victorzvyagintsev1325
      @victorzvyagintsev1325 Год назад

      @@hritamnath4919 Yes, but at dogfight ranges, x-band will see stealth just fine. Having side arrays means you can hold a lock at a much greater arc. Couple that with what you mentioned and an F-22 is is some serious trouble in a dogfight.

  • @happyreaper11
    @happyreaper11 6 дней назад

    This is intense! I'm happy to have found your channel!

  • @MPD1337
    @MPD1337 Год назад +1

    1 of your best vids my man, I was on the edge of the seat the whole time :)

  • @darwinism8181
    @darwinism8181 Год назад +38

    Being able to see stealth aircraft is incredibly old news - seeing and locking are two wholly different things.
    Of course if you can see it at all you can vector your own aircraft to intercept, and that's honestly the biggest advantage of tracking without a lock. Stealth still has a huge advantage, but the days where people weren't even sure where a stealth attack would come from are long over.

    • @pauldorfman701
      @pauldorfman701 Год назад +1

      They aren't long over at all and assuming the Russian planes can see our isn't a given either. Red flag the pilots who went up against the raptor said they didn't know it was there until they were hit recently.

  • @thenegociater3387
    @thenegociater3387 Год назад +3

    Would be cool to see a b21 raider BVR engagement with the AIM 260's against j20's

  • @bigbenski
    @bigbenski Год назад

    On a normal day I would have literally no point in watching your videos but you make them so interesting I've been watching them for a while now :) keep it up!

  • @boogermcphee2847
    @boogermcphee2847 Год назад

    This was the most intense engagement yet. Great video!

  • @2KOOLURATOOLGaming
    @2KOOLURATOOLGaming Год назад +3

    What you said about driving missiles into the ground, I always assumed that radar guided missiles after the 1970s would be smart enough that they detect the ground and simply skim along the ground until the get closer rather than continuing to lose altitude because they would know that the target isn't going to suicide into the ground.
    Anybody know anything about this?

    • @phunkracy
      @phunkracy Год назад +1

      If the missile dives to the ground it means it doesn't have a target lock. So while it could skim along the ground, it wouldn't know in which direction to skin, making the whole exercise fairly pointless and even dangerous for friendly targets - because the direction where it skims until target lock could be the direction of friendly forces.

    • @2KOOLURATOOLGaming
      @2KOOLURATOOLGaming Год назад

      @@phunkracy Surely more modern missiles don't have this weakness. It's not too hard to program a processor that goes: "ok, I'm heading towards the ground right now, let's not. I'll just fly horizontally towards the aircraft I am targeting and when I get closer then I will prioritise heading directly at it".
      It's not going to just decide to turn it's heading 100°. You are more or less mapping its 3D route onto a top down 2D one and it ignores the targets altitude change if it is decreasing beyond a certain rate. If there are friendlies in the direction of the target then that is the pilots decision, nothing to do with the missile.

  • @teddyoregeno1765
    @teddyoregeno1765 Год назад +4

    Is it only 360 for everyone?

  • @TheDrflay3
    @TheDrflay3 Год назад +1

    Love all your videos, but this may be the best one yet.

  • @michaelwicker9538
    @michaelwicker9538 Год назад +1

    This one would be a great candidate for that post flight analysis with the 3d replays GS puts up sometimes.

  • @scottandrews8291
    @scottandrews8291 Год назад +4

    I feel like numbers would have something to play here too. Russia only has like what, 5 Felons right now? The US has something like 180 active Raptors. I doubt it would get to the point where it's one Felon vs one Raptor. Love these fights though. It would be interesting to see if 1 Felon stands a chance against multiple F22s

    • @immikeurnot
      @immikeurnot Год назад +3

      Just looked and 21 Felons including 10 prototypes.
      And not at all in active service. I doubt they ever will be, despite Russian claims otherwise. A few of their "new weapons" are like this. T-14 is still just a parade tank and the AK12 does get deployed, but with no optics which was the whole point of adopting that POS.

    • @FantastiXPvZ
      @FantastiXPvZ Год назад +6

      ​@immikeurnot It's one thing to build it, but something noone does better in the world than the US, is proper supply logistics, maintenance crews and maintenance service contracts.

    • @sombraarthur
      @sombraarthur Год назад

      @@FantastiXPvZ not anymore, when you are all supplie by China, who INDEED has the best logistics.

    • @FantastiXPvZ
      @FantastiXPvZ Год назад +4

      @Morfeu You obviously have no clue what Military Supply Logistics are, so please, Quiet boy.

    • @zer0nool442
      @zer0nool442 2 месяца назад +1

      The situation of a direct clash between two fighters in the middle of nothing is impossible in principle in the modern world. Russian military doctrine considers aircraft primarily to be a means of reconnaissance, support and missile deployment. Air defense should be used to confront other aircraft in direct combat. Russian military doctrine also assumes that the interaction of the armed forces is more significant than their individual superiority. This difference arises from the fact that the Russian military doctrine was built and is being built for military operations near or inside its borders, and therefore simply does not imply independent military actions of any of the branches of the armed forces, while the American doctrine is built with the idea of fighting far from its own territory, where the main means will be precisely aviation, while the navy will act as a maximum means of basing it, and the army as a means of retaining the already occupied territory.

  • @jimmcneal5292
    @jimmcneal5292 Год назад +5

    You probably wanted to show a close range fight, but if you wanted to get as much advantage as possible, you shouldn't have launched 2 missiles at once at the end.

  • @FEAR_Actual
    @FEAR_Actual Год назад +1

    I'd love to see the Tacview on this fight, absolutely insane to watch.

  • @evicol2117
    @evicol2117 Год назад

    That "One of us is going to die" is so metal and I'm all for it. The second half of this video goes very hard.

  • @Durzo1259
    @Durzo1259 Год назад +18

    The SU-57 is highly stealthy when its nose is pointed at you, not so much when it turns away.

    • @Specter690655
      @Specter690655 Год назад +9

      F-22 also

    • @phunkracy
      @phunkracy Год назад +1

      That's the philosophy. It either dukes it out with the enemy at long range where stealth matters, or when it close quarters it sacrifices stealth for flight performance.

    • @fgk765jkh
      @fgk765jkh Год назад

      That's the same same for any stealth aircraft moron. Lol 😆

    • @Durzo1259
      @Durzo1259 Год назад +8

      @@fgk765jkh Maximum stealth happens when the nose is pointed at you for any aircraft; that doesn't mean all stealth fighters have shit stealth from all other angles (as the SU-57 does), it just means they don't have maximum stealth.
      Nice display of the most common character trait of the Dunner-Kruger effect: idiots always call everyone else idiots the instant they disagree.

    • @bigboi5962
      @bigboi5962 Год назад +9

      Su-57 has a minimum RCS larger than a super hornet, calling it stealthy is a joke

  • @DynoosHD
    @DynoosHD Год назад +7

    Could an anti radiation missle work against aircraft radar?

    • @SonOfAB_tch2ndClass
      @SonOfAB_tch2ndClass Год назад +8

      Happened to a B-52 in desert storm it got called in Harms Way. The problem is that Raptor’s AESA Radar change their frequency 1000 times per second so tracking its Radar is not possible

    • @bowestbrook6527
      @bowestbrook6527 Год назад +2

      not necessarily. possibly something like a helicopter or balloon, but they aren't designed to lead a target if i'm not mistaken.

  • @takaharatanaka8818
    @takaharatanaka8818 Год назад +2

    Fun video.
    You keep making great content for us, thanks for putting in all this hard work GS.

  • @GriffinGrabow
    @GriffinGrabow Год назад

    One of the best videos on the channel! Great dog fight

  • @anggisuwandi2404
    @anggisuwandi2404 Год назад +4

    Felon actually really did a great job on stealth tech that protected Raptor, Felon even so stealthy that nobody ever seeing it on action nor production, EVER

    • @pappyman179
      @pappyman179 11 месяцев назад

      Source?

    • @Veloso1000
      @Veloso1000 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@pappyman179it’s a joke, since they never use it

  • @XTXImperator
    @XTXImperator Год назад +9

    The SU-57 should be able to detect the F-22 in BVR with it's 2 L-band AESA radars installed in the wingroots. On their own, they wouldn't be able to give the Felon a firing solution but it would give the rest of the sensors a rough vector to scan a specific part of the sky and possibly get a firing solution that way with it's other 3 AESA radars (X-band) and/or IRST.

  • @johnrodriguez569
    @johnrodriguez569 7 месяцев назад

    Keep making these videos bro. Both my son and myself love your videos and how you explain the details behind your dogfights. Again, great work. Shoot out to Longshot as well!

  • @theodorgiosan2570
    @theodorgiosan2570 Год назад

    I haven't seen an F-22 go under power lines but there is a TF-51 and Spitfire at the airport nearby that do high speed flyovers of my house, as well as B52s, C5s, and C130s from the air force base a few miles away. Also a Saab Draken that flies over once in a long while from somewhere. But in the summer almost like clockwork on Fridays and the weekends there is the roar of Merlins at 8 in the morning or so, and then again flying past the airport, turning around and landing at around 8-10 at night. Cool to watch them taking off and coming in to land.

  • @Joseph-Colin-EXP
    @Joseph-Colin-EXP Год назад +3

    GS is sick. Bro as a dad, hot shower, then meds, then sleep. and enjoy. :)

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Год назад +4

      You got it right on the money, got it curtesy of the wife. Slowly getting better.

  • @ardag1439
    @ardag1439 Год назад +5

    I don't know whether Russians can see stealth or not, but I was the fifth view on this video so I think my abilities come close.

  • @EJoey2006
    @EJoey2006 Год назад

    Epic battle. Great vid. Thx for the great Content GS

  • @matthewconrad4728
    @matthewconrad4728 Год назад +1

    Always love your videos but this one had me on the edge of my seat. with all the stuff going on in the world and how much these two planes are getting a lot of attention in the news this was epic. Good show!!

  • @THEone_spaceguy
    @THEone_spaceguy Год назад +11

    Why don’t you use the F-35 in BVR? I’m sure it would do really good

    • @nemo317
      @nemo317 Год назад +1

      The F22 is the better plane in A/A Combat, better Thrust/Weight ratio, more internal weapons, lower radar cross section and the updated apg77v1 is pretty similar to the F35 apg81 radar.

    • @somezsaltz6835
      @somezsaltz6835 Год назад

      @@nemo317 he said bvr....

    • @colinmarshall6634
      @colinmarshall6634 Год назад

      @@somezsaltz6835 This was BVR until he had to merge. F-35 simply isn't designed for that. It's a multi-role platform and merging isn't one of its roles.

    • @JayzsMr
      @JayzsMr Год назад +5

      @@colinmarshall6634 for what is the f35 actually designed? Seems like a jack of all trades , master of none

    • @MikePasqqsaPekiM
      @MikePasqqsaPekiM Год назад

      It’s built to make every allied aircraft in the sky aware of the whole battlefield in real-time, and to even help guide missiles from other aircraft to their target. One F-35 is good, I bet 4+ would be very tough to defeat.

  • @michal._.s
    @michal._.s Год назад +3

    still waiting for f22 vs UFO's..

    • @sys3248
      @sys3248 Год назад

      NWS rawisonde balloon you mean.

    • @shades2.183
      @shades2.183 Год назад

      Felon is an NFO

  • @nig87101
    @nig87101 Год назад

    Edge of the seat stuff GS, really great video, thanks for posting. Good job the power lines didn't get a missle off in time! 🤣 Get well soon.

  • @cIappo896
    @cIappo896 Год назад +1

    Honestly, the F22 and F35 and Su57 and the upcoming Su75 are all fine and dandy, but the one department which Su57 fucking dominates is the naming. Felon is probably the single fucking best name I've ever seen.