It makes sense depending on what you're looking for. You just want to plow in kitbash, and slap bits on a $1 toy car to play a game and have fun black bomb over it. If you're taking the time to really model it, and build something special then stripping is probably worth it. I myself strip models by lightly whacking them with some sandpaper to scuff the paint up a bit, then hosing it in easy off oven cleaner. It has been bar none the best paint stripper I've found over the years.
If you like it... go with it. I personally like Citristrip. It doesnt have a harsh smell and it works great. I never use sandpaper to scuff paint. Citristrip cuts right through paint without needing anything like that. That's good in my opinion as it doesnt put any risk of scratching the metal underneath the paint. Lots of techniques I use to paint and weather require cars to go to bare metal. I tend to be very detailed oriented when it comes to my cars. It comes from doing restorations and customs long before Gaslands was around. Black bombing a car without stripping is something I would never do. Again, that me and how I do cars. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Yes, I'm with you. I've just started converting cars for Gaslands, and I come to it from forty-something years of 1/72 WW2 wargaming (plastic, metal and resin) and 25/28mm figure painting (same mix). If you're building a few cars in sequence, stripping barely impacts the build time (strip the second while you wait for the paint to dry on the first, and so on) and results in a much more realistic finish. Thanks for confirming my opinion. This was another good video.
Mike Stanmore Thanks. Glad you found it useful. I to have done fine scale modeling and model railroading to add on to my wargaming and Hot Wheels restoration mentioned already. All of that gets me to my perspective. Add in what I see as acceptable paint levels to the way I build cars and there you have it. The reasoning I do it the way I do it. It's not THE way. Its A way. It's also my way and has reasoning which is justified to me. Everyone is welcome to do it their own way of doing things as I mentioned in the video. Again glad you enjoyed the video.
Totally with you on stripping, and the reasons for doing so - I want a clean, fresh "mini" to start with when working, and I like being the one in charge of what the basecoat is doing as well - good videos and info here to boot - subscribed!
soda blast em instead of using stripper. I saw a media blaster at harbor freight (I know I know) that looked like an airbrush. it looks perfect for blasting the paint off of tiny stuff. I would use soda or plastic beads as media though, not sand. I also think there is a walnut hull media that would be gentle enough not to eat up the alloy bodies.
Stripping is mostly a waste of time when building cars for games such as Gaslands. These cars are suppose to be covered in grime, rust, and muck, most details are not meant to be seen. I can get just enough detail by leaving the paint on the cars that I modify, just a simply roughing up with steel wool and then wipe them down with some Goop Be Gone or Goof Off and let it dry. You don’t have to bother with drilling out the post, stripping, priming, and then painting. If I am restoring a vintage Hot Wheel or doing a custom, I will go through all that trouble, but not for Gaslands builds.
In doing both restorations and customs I strip all my cars. Gaslands cars just became an off shoot of a hobby I've been doing for a very long time. In fact, I don't play much Gaslands at all at this point and the wasteland cars I do are just for hobby enjoyment for me. As far as stripping being a waste of time... it really isn't to me. I do far more restorations and customs than Gaslands. I strip cars in large batches. I just toss the Gaslands cars in with everything else. So there is no time difference for me. I use lots of paint/finishing techniques that require a cars to be stripped. You may not see a value in it, but you're not using the same painting and effects that I do. Example: I'll do Gaslands car which is highly polished bare metal with color accents. You're not doing that by roughing up paint with steel wool. Everyone has there way of doing things. If you disagree... that's fine. Feel free to do your cars you're way. It is after all you're hobby too and you can do it how you like. My channel isn't here to be a my way or the highway approach to the hobby. Its just a way of showing people who asked me on facebook how I do things. As far as drilling, stripping and then painting... in my hobby world it is a requirement for me. I do far more restorations and customs that aren't Gaslands and that influences the way I work with Gaslands cars. Thanks for sharing your opinion.
So, is Rufus gonna strip and repaint his ride? Thanks for the video. What do you use to strip 'em? I don't see a vid on it on your channel. Am I missing it.
C.E. Jarvis lol. 😂 Rufus appreciated being mentioned in your comment. No. You haven't missed it. I felt this video needed to be covered before I do a video on stripping cars. I'm sure if I just did a video on stripping the questions would have popped up on why do you do it. Now... if they do I can just point them to this video if they didnt see it. Stripping is so important to me on many levels. 1. From a hot wheels restoration side... you must strip a car when using Spectraflame paint. So... I strip them all the time. It's nothing extra for me to do it in Gaslands as I do them in batches. 2. A lot of the techniques I use for rust and whatnot work with bare metal not factory paint. 3. As mentioned in the video... details. 4. Paint durability concerns. This isn't all my reasons but ones with the great importance to me. Thanks for visiting the shop and be watching for the up and coming videos. Stripping cars will be soon.👍😉
Michael Withers I find that simple green or purple power strip plastics without eating them.. however there have been a few 40k figs that someone used some sort of paint that’s impervious...
I've used several stripper brands and my current go to product is Citristrip. It isn't the fastest stripper I have used. It is however the most pleasant to use because it smells nicer. I use the gel version. It takes a little longer to strip. Like say 15 minutes longer. That isnt a big deal to me. I like having a little flexibility with time. This is stripper you can leave on the cars for up to 12-24 hours if you wanted. 👍
Dave Howell Thanks for saying so. I know how much gamers love details in their miniatures and didn't understand why they wouldn't strip cars. It the dawned on me... they never did restorations as a hobby and don't know what lurks under the thick factory paint. From a restoration standpoint this is second nature stuff. We all do it. Not so much common knowledge amongst the wargamer world just getting into what is a different hobby related to a game. Again, thanks for the kudos.
Gaslands Garage yeah, I routinely buy used 40k minis and strip them for repainting.. I feel like unless you’re using the car as is, it needs to be stripped
Respectfully disagree. Back in the day, Hot Wheels had a much more varied paint thickness, but their quality control have improved a drastic amount. You can still find the odd car with thick paint, but they are few and far between. I think stripping is an unnecessary step, that can introduce more problems than it solves, depending on the process used to stop and clean it afterward. For example I'm holding an Aristo Rat in my hand, and I can see the details you mentioned just fine without stripping. The paint I apply on top of it will be so thin that the detail won't be obscured. The one place I advocate for stripping other than if you just have a thick coated car, is the tampos or decals on the side. Depending on their application from the factory they can show up as a texture through primer and paint, and should be removed. All that being said, I wouldn't disparage anyone for stripping. It just turns a 2 day build into a 3 or 4 day build, when the result is virtually identical
RetroZone: Neon Wasn't looking for debate over it as I mentioned in the video and in the description. My opinions on it are not solely from a wargame gaslands perspective but also a restoration perspective. That makes a difference in the way I do things. If you want to apply paint layer after paint layer that's fine. It's your car. Paint it as you see fit. It's your hobby as much as it is mine. 👍 Your standard of what is acceptable is your own and feel free to paint as you want. For me... I'm not doing it and will never do it. As I mentioned It's not "THE" way. It's "A" way. It's also my way and has reasoning which is justified to me. As far as the Aristo Rat... sure you can notice the rivets. It was the only car I had at a bare metal stage at the time I decided to do the video. I also showed how on the Scorpedo the super thick coat of paint against the bare metal version. A difference can clearly be seen. So bottom line... do what you want to your cars. Makes no difference to me what you do so long as you are happy. 👍😁 I just put this out there to let people make up their own mind and not debate it. 😉 I'll also add that a lot of the techniques that I use to paint cars require me to start with bare metal. Not yet videos but eventually will be. Like the rusty Camaro ZL1 for example.
Gaslands Garage I'm with you man, I'm not trying to debate. I'm here obviously because I think you do good work and I value your opinion! Just letting you know another point of view. Sometimes stripping is necessary, but often isn't. How do you work with plastic bodies and bases?
RetroZone: Neon That's cool. I appreciate your comments and recognition of my work. It's over 40+ years of doing this stuff that gets me to where I am. I'm aware of the other ways. I can understand the mention of other ways as well. We all want a seat at the table. I mentioned in the video and in comments you dont have to strip cars if you didn't want to. So... no need to bring it up. 😉 Let's put that all to bed. I strip all car and always will. Because... my reasons. Lol. And just mine. Lol. Okay. On plastic. Plastic doesnt have paint. It does have "tampos" which I remove using ELO. This was mentioned in the removing tampos video series. Using acetone can soften plastic and make the surface tacky. Not cool as it can get worse over time as well. Removing tampos from a surface to be painted is important. If you dont do it you'll see the raised edge of the ink in the coat of paint you apply. With plastic I use Testors Easy Lift Off. With metal I use an acetone based products. Goof Off or Nail Polish Remover. I use these over straight acetone because they are multi-takes in the household. Again all that is mentioned in the removing tampos series. As far as painting platics... it's part of the scorpedo to scorpion build. It's one of the reasons I picked that car as it has so many things to cover on it for videos. Be watching for the video and thinks for the comments. If I came across short on your comment of not stripping... it wasn't my intention. You just got to realize what a dead horse topic that is in some forums/groups. In covering it here, I was trying to escape other ways of doing it and just speak to my way (which is valid with good reasons). You cant get people to reason to logic when there is chaos.
It makes sense depending on what you're looking for. You just want to plow in kitbash, and slap bits on a $1 toy car to play a game and have fun black bomb over it. If you're taking the time to really model it, and build something special then stripping is probably worth it. I myself strip models by lightly whacking them with some sandpaper to scuff the paint up a bit, then hosing it in easy off oven cleaner. It has been bar none the best paint stripper I've found over the years.
If you like it... go with it. I personally like Citristrip. It doesnt have a harsh smell and it works great. I never use sandpaper to scuff paint. Citristrip cuts right through paint without needing anything like that. That's good in my opinion as it doesnt put any risk of scratching the metal underneath the paint.
Lots of techniques I use to paint and weather require cars to go to bare metal. I tend to be very detailed oriented when it comes to my cars. It comes from doing restorations and customs long before Gaslands was around. Black bombing a car without stripping is something I would never do. Again, that me and how I do cars.
Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Yes, I'm with you. I've just started converting cars for Gaslands, and I come to it from forty-something years of 1/72 WW2 wargaming (plastic, metal and resin) and 25/28mm figure painting (same mix).
If you're building a few cars in sequence, stripping barely impacts the build time (strip the second while you wait for the paint to dry on the first, and so on) and results in a much more realistic finish.
Thanks for confirming my opinion. This was another good video.
Mike Stanmore Thanks. Glad you found it useful. I to have done fine scale modeling and model railroading to add on to my wargaming and Hot Wheels restoration mentioned already. All of that gets me to my perspective.
Add in what I see as acceptable paint levels to the way I build cars and there you have it. The reasoning I do it the way I do it.
It's not THE way. Its A way. It's also my way and has reasoning which is justified to me.
Everyone is welcome to do it their own way of doing things as I mentioned in the video.
Again glad you enjoyed the video.
Gaslands Garage Yes, I thought you'd been doing this sort of thing for awhile. You don't get that good overnight. Cheers.
Totally with you on stripping, and the reasons for doing so - I want a clean, fresh "mini" to start with when working, and I like being the one in charge of what the basecoat is doing as well - good videos and info here to boot - subscribed!
Thanks for the feedback and thanks for stopping by the shop. Glad you enjoyed the video and welcome to the Gaslands Garage community.
soda blast em instead of using stripper. I saw a media blaster at harbor freight (I know I know) that looked like an airbrush. it looks perfect for blasting the paint off of tiny stuff. I would use soda or plastic beads as media though, not sand. I also think there is a walnut hull media that would be gentle enough not to eat up the alloy bodies.
I'll pass on media blasting. I've been stripping cars for years and it works fine for me. You can certainly take any approach you like.
@@gaslandsgarage7214 yeah blasting is too much headache for me too. I was just offering an alternative for folks that are scared of chemicals. 🤘🏻
Stripping is mostly a waste of time when building cars for games such as Gaslands. These cars are suppose to be covered in grime, rust, and muck, most details are not meant to be seen. I can get just enough detail by leaving the paint on the cars that I modify, just a simply roughing up with steel wool and then wipe them down with some Goop Be Gone or Goof Off and let it dry. You don’t have to bother with drilling out the post, stripping, priming, and then painting. If I am restoring a vintage Hot Wheel or doing a custom, I will go through all that trouble, but not for Gaslands builds.
In doing both restorations and customs I strip all my cars. Gaslands cars just became an off shoot of a hobby I've been doing for a very long time. In fact, I don't play much Gaslands at all at this point and the wasteland cars I do are just for hobby enjoyment for me.
As far as stripping being a waste of time... it really isn't to me. I do far more restorations and customs than Gaslands. I strip cars in large batches. I just toss the Gaslands cars in with everything else. So there is no time difference for me.
I use lots of paint/finishing techniques that require a cars to be stripped. You may not see a value in it, but you're not using the same painting and effects that I do. Example: I'll do Gaslands car which is highly polished bare metal with color accents. You're not doing that by roughing up paint with steel wool. Everyone has there way of doing things. If you disagree... that's fine. Feel free to do your cars you're way. It is after all you're hobby too and you can do it how you like. My channel isn't here to be a my way or the highway approach to the hobby. Its just a way of showing people who asked me on facebook how I do things. As far as drilling, stripping and then painting... in my hobby world it is a requirement for me.
I do far more restorations and customs that aren't Gaslands and that influences the way I work with Gaslands cars.
Thanks for sharing your opinion.
Damn good as always!!! And I'm glad you added a WHY you should vid to accompany your HOW vid😁
So, is Rufus gonna strip and repaint his ride?
Thanks for the video. What do you use to strip 'em? I don't see a vid on it on your channel. Am I missing it.
C.E. Jarvis lol. 😂 Rufus appreciated being mentioned in your comment.
No. You haven't missed it. I felt this video needed to be covered before I do a video on stripping cars. I'm sure if I just did a video on stripping the questions would have popped up on why do you do it.
Now... if they do I can just point them to this video if they didnt see it.
Stripping is so important to me on many levels.
1. From a hot wheels restoration side... you must strip a car when using Spectraflame paint. So... I strip them all the time. It's nothing extra for me to do it in Gaslands as I do them in batches.
2. A lot of the techniques I use for rust and whatnot work with bare metal not factory paint.
3. As mentioned in the video... details.
4. Paint durability concerns.
This isn't all my reasons but ones with the great importance to me.
Thanks for visiting the shop and be watching for the up and coming videos. Stripping cars will be soon.👍😉
Great thanks
if he does..he needs a hazmat suit...stripper( of any kind) eats plastic bad... hehehe
Ouch...
Michael Withers I find that simple green or purple power strip plastics without eating them.. however there have been a few 40k figs that someone used some sort of paint that’s impervious...
What is the name of the model car with the rivets you were discussing? "Aristorats"?
Scott Chesebrough It is an "Aristo Rat". A cool car for Gaslands conversions. It's a popular build for sure. So much you can do with them.
I was curious what sort of chemicals do you use to strip the paint??
I've used several stripper brands and my current go to product is Citristrip. It isn't the fastest stripper I have used. It is however the most pleasant to use because it smells nicer. I use the gel version. It takes a little longer to strip. Like say 15 minutes longer. That isnt a big deal to me. I like having a little flexibility with time. This is stripper you can leave on the cars for up to 12-24 hours if you wanted. 👍
So just a simple soak in acetone will do the trick?
Nope. Not for me. Acetone results are way too slow for me to even think about using acetone.
great stuff!
Dave Howell Thanks for saying so. I know how much gamers love details in their miniatures and didn't understand why they wouldn't strip cars. It the dawned on me... they never did restorations as a hobby and don't know what lurks under the thick factory paint. From a restoration standpoint this is second nature stuff. We all do it. Not so much common knowledge amongst the wargamer world just getting into what is a different hobby related to a game.
Again, thanks for the kudos.
Gaslands Garage yeah, I routinely buy used 40k minis and strip them for repainting.. I feel like unless you’re using the car as is, it needs to be stripped
Respectfully disagree. Back in the day, Hot Wheels had a much more varied paint thickness, but their quality control have improved a drastic amount. You can still find the odd car with thick paint, but they are few and far between. I think stripping is an unnecessary step, that can introduce more problems than it solves, depending on the process used to stop and clean it afterward.
For example I'm holding an Aristo Rat in my hand, and I can see the details you mentioned just fine without stripping. The paint I apply on top of it will be so thin that the detail won't be obscured.
The one place I advocate for stripping other than if you just have a thick coated car, is the tampos or decals on the side. Depending on their application from the factory they can show up as a texture through primer and paint, and should be removed.
All that being said, I wouldn't disparage anyone for stripping. It just turns a 2 day build into a 3 or 4 day build, when the result is virtually identical
RetroZone: Neon Wasn't looking for debate over it as I mentioned in the video and in the description.
My opinions on it are not solely from a wargame gaslands perspective but also a restoration perspective. That makes a difference in the way I do things.
If you want to apply paint layer after paint layer that's fine. It's your car. Paint it as you see fit. It's your hobby as much as it is mine. 👍
Your standard of what is acceptable is your own and feel free to paint as you want.
For me... I'm not doing it and will never do it.
As I mentioned It's not "THE" way. It's "A" way. It's also my way and has reasoning which is justified to me.
As far as the Aristo Rat... sure you can notice the rivets. It was the only car I had at a bare metal stage at the time I decided to do the video. I also showed how on the Scorpedo the super thick coat of paint against the bare metal version. A difference can clearly be seen.
So bottom line... do what you want to your cars. Makes no difference to me what you do so long as you are happy. 👍😁
I just put this out there to let people make up their own mind and not debate it. 😉
I'll also add that a lot of the techniques that I use to paint cars require me to start with bare metal. Not yet videos but eventually will be. Like the rusty Camaro ZL1 for example.
Gaslands Garage I'm with you man, I'm not trying to debate. I'm here obviously because I think you do good work and I value your opinion! Just letting you know another point of view. Sometimes stripping is necessary, but often isn't. How do you work with plastic bodies and bases?
RetroZone: Neon That's cool. I appreciate your comments and recognition of my work. It's over 40+ years of doing this stuff that gets me to where I am.
I'm aware of the other ways. I can understand the mention of other ways as well. We all want a seat at the table. I mentioned in the video and in comments you dont have to strip cars if you didn't want to. So... no need to bring it up. 😉 Let's put that all to bed. I strip all car and always will. Because... my reasons. Lol. And just mine. Lol.
Okay. On plastic. Plastic doesnt have paint. It does have "tampos" which I remove using ELO. This was mentioned in the removing tampos video series. Using acetone can soften plastic and make the surface tacky. Not cool as it can get worse over time as well.
Removing tampos from a surface to be painted is important. If you dont do it you'll see the raised edge of the ink in the coat of paint you apply.
With plastic I use Testors Easy Lift Off. With metal I use an acetone based products. Goof Off or Nail Polish Remover. I use these over straight acetone because they are multi-takes in the household.
Again all that is mentioned in the removing tampos series.
As far as painting platics... it's part of the scorpedo to scorpion build. It's one of the reasons I picked that car as it has so many things to cover on it for videos.
Be watching for the video and thinks for the comments.
If I came across short on your comment of not stripping... it wasn't my intention. You just got to realize what a dead horse topic that is in some forums/groups. In covering it here, I was trying to escape other ways of doing it and just speak to my way (which is valid with good reasons). You cant get people to reason to logic when there is chaos.