Theos Chapter 1: The Begotten Belief
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The biblical basis for belief in the true Son of God and the scriptural evidence for His essential divinity.
Originally posted November 30, 2014, the video imagery has been updated once again. As of Dec 12, 2016 there were 7,334 views and 334 comments. The comments have been preserved and will be made available at OneGodOneLord.com. The latest are entered below.
Jesus is God who has a Father who is His God and His Father. ThankYou for your words 🙏
Jesus is Lord sitting on the right hand of the father.
Jesus is the Son of God both in the Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy
Father is Eternal. Jesus is Everlasting. Eternal means forever past and forever future (without beginning and without end). Everlasting means there’s a beginning yet forever future.
I hadn't thought of this dimension. Thank you.
Amen, Amen! To God be the Glory for His truth!
Father God I need healing of cancer and encephalopathy
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Save All Children 🙏
How Many "Beings" According to the Spirit of Prophecy (SOP) ?
Note that Ellen White demonstrated a distinction between the words “PERSON” and “BEING.”
While she speaks of three persons or personalities and powers in the Godhead, she consistently identifies “ONLY” two beings -- the Father and His Son.
Thus the words “PERSON” and “BEING” have different meanings to Ellen White.
She called Jesus Christ by HIS Spirit a “PERSON,” but she obviously did not mean a literal person which has confused some.
“When trials overshadow the soul, remember the words of CHRIST, remember that HE is an unseen presence in the PERSON of the Holy Spirit,” - (E.G. White, DG 185.2, 1897)
Thus when Ellen White calls the Holy Spirit a “PERSON,” she is NOT referring to another “BEING.” She is referring to Christ by HIS Holy Spirit.
We also know this because she only ever identifies two beings -- the Father and His Son.
And if Ellen White meant a literal person, then that would contradict all the quotes below making her a false prophet.
The Trinity doctrine claims three CO-EQUAL beings, but notice that the quotes below from Ellen White state there are “ONLY” two beings and that there is the Father and Son “ALONE” and hence there cannot be a third being.
Note that Ellen White wrote “ALONE” and “ONLY.”
“The Father and the Son ALONE are to be exalted.” - (E.G. White, YI, July 7, 1898) -- TWO BEINGS ALONE
“God and Christ ALONE know what the souls of men have cost.” - (E.G. White, ST, Jan 13, 1909) -- TWO BEINGS ALONE
“God informed Satan that to his Son ALONE he would reveal his secret purposes, and he required all the family in heaven, even Satan, to yield him implicit, unquestioned obedience;” - (E.G. White, ST, Jan 9, 1879) -- TWO BEINGS ALONE
“Can anyone consider the condescension of God in preparing the gospel feast, and its great cost, and treat the invitation slightingly? No man, nor even the highest angel, can estimate the great cost; it is known ONLY to the Father and the Son.” - (E.G. White, BEcho, Oct 28, 1895) -- ONLY TWO BEINGS
“The ONLY Being who was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenter's bench with His earthly parent.” - (E.G. White, ST, Oct 14, 1897) -- ONLY TWO BEINGS
“And truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” - (E.G. White, RH, July 13, 1905) -- TWO BEINGS
“CHRIST the Word, the only-begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,one in nature, in character, and in purpose,-the ONLY being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. By Christ, the Father wrought in the creation of all heavenly beings.” - (E.G. White, GC, p. 493) - ONLY TWO BEINGS
This is the truth God gave His remnant. “The HOLY SPIRIT is the SPIRIT OF GOD; it is also the SPIRIT OF CHRIST. It is that divine, mysterious emanation through which they carry forward their great and infinite work.” - (Uriah Smith, GC Bulletin, March 18, 1891, pp. 146, 147)
So while there are three entities, there are only TWO LITERAL BEINGS.
The Holy Spirit is the mind, power and personal presence of God coming to us through His Son and why Ellen White calls the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Christ.
It is not and cannot be a third being.
Adam 1984, can you please send me these quotes?
I think by posting them here he has already done that...unless you are requesting that he send you physical copies of them. Please look each of them up online for yourself!
I disagree that "persons" and "beings" are different in the mind of Ellen White. She wrote in 7 MR, 272: "You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and power of _the three holiest beings in heaven,_ who are able to keep you from falling....When I feel oppressed,...I just call upon the three great Worthies" Also, "The Holy Spirit is the Comforter, in Christ's name. _He_ personifies Christ, yet is a distinct personality." Manuscript Releases, Volume 20, page 324. And this: "The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally...By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all." DA 664.
If you carefully read those verses, you will take note that there are "three holiest _beings_ in heaven. Not just three persons, as you argue, but three "beings." Also, Jesus is "cumbered with humanity" so the Holy Spirit is His representative. When Jesus walked this earth, He was "Emmanuel which being interpreted is God with us." Matthew 1 verse 23. Christ has taken on human form for eternity. He gave up His omnipresence, which is the ability to "be in every place personally." If the Holy Spirit is not a divine being -- one of the "three holiest beings," and one of the "three great Worthies" -- then there is now no longer "God with us." Since Jesus went back to heaven, the Holy Spirit is God with us. He (not it) is "being." Do not attribute the Seventh-day Adventist teaching of a Trinity -- or Godhead -- consisting of three divine beings, or persons, to a false teaching of Satan. Be careful. The only sin that cannot be forgiven is attributing the things of the Holy Spirit to Satan. The Seventh-day Adventist teaching of the Trinity uplifts the "three holiest beings" and the "three great Worthies." Mrs. White used an uppercase "W" in the word "Worthies." The three beings in our Trinity are divine and Holy and worthy. Our Trinity is not the same as the Catholic trinity. If you study their version you'll discover the falsehoods in their trinity.
God our father's devine spirit does not change, his father spirit is the same always. Yahavah filled only some with the spirit of God in the old age. We are filled with the same spirit yeshua was given from God his father. That spirt is of our Lord and that spirit comes from his father. There is only one spirit of everything. God is spirit. We now have this free gift of this divine nature man lost when man fell. We now can walk in his image😊
God gave man his spirit and Lord yahavah gave man his breath of life and formed him.
Colossians 2:16-19 proves that the church ate clean beasts and good food, drank good drinks to stay sober, kept the holydays like feast of trumpets, day of atonement, feast of tabernacles, Passover, feast of unleavened bread, feast of weeks, observed the 12 new moons, and celebrated the seventh day Sabbaths. Let no man judge you is referring to the heathen and sinners, not the saints. The heathen and sinners are not allowed to judge our pure religion from Christ Jesus our Lord.
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12:16-12
Gary Hullquist said: "... refers to coming out of a country, a city or a house ..."
He gave only three places: a country, a city, a house. But there are more. Here are those texts (12 verses) where those three places are mentioned:
KJV
'coming out of a country' (3 times):
Phi.4:15 ἐξῆλθον ἀπὸ Mακεδονίας - I departed from Macedonia (Paul).
Heb.11:15 ἀφ᾿ ἧς ἐξῆλθον - from whence they came out ('so great a cloud of witnesses' (12:1); whence = 'a country of their own' (verse 14)).
Mk.8:11 καὶ ἐξῆλθον οἱ φαρισαῖοι And the Pharisees came forth (from the context: from the parts of Dalmanutha).
'coming out of a city' (7 times):
Mk.5:14 ἐξῆλθον they went out (from the context: from the city and the country).
Lk.8:35 ἐξῆλθον Then they went out (from the context: from the city and the country (8:34))
Mk.14:26 ἐξῆλθον they went out into the mount of Olives (from the context: from the city of Jerusalem (14:16).
Jn.4:30 ἐξῆλθον ἐκ τῆς πόλεως Then they went out of the city (from the context: from Sychar (4:5)).
Jn.12:13 ἐξῆλθον went forth to meet him (from the context: from the city of Jerusalem (12:12)).
Act.28:15 ἐξῆλθον And from thence the brethren, when they heard of us, came to meet us (from the context: from the city of Rome (28:14)).
2Cor.2:13 ἐξῆλθον εἰς Mακεδονίαν I went from thence into Macedonia (from the context: from Troas (2:12)).
'coming out of a house' (2 times):
Mt.25:1 ἐξῆλθον ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Act.16:40 ἐξῆλθον they comforted them, and departed (from the context: from the house of Lydia).
Gary Hullquist didn't mention or didn't discern the following texts:
'coming out of a village' (1 time):
Mk.14:16 καὶ ἐξῆλθον οἱ μαθηταὶ αὐτοῦ And his disciples went forth (from the context: from the Bethany village ? (14:3)).
'coming out of (among a people)' (1 time):
1Jn.2:19 ἐξ ἡμῶν ἐξῆλθον They went out from us.
'coming out of the smoke' (1 time):
Rev.9:3 καὶ ἐκ τοῦ καπνοῦ ἐξῆλθον ἀκρίδες And there came out of the smoke locusts.
'coming out of the temple' (1 time):
Rev.15:6 ἐξῆλθον ... ἐκ τοῦ ναοῦ And the seven angels came out of the temple.
'coming out of (an indefinite place)' (3 times):
Mk.3:21 ἐξῆλθον And when his friends heard of it, they went out to lay hold on him.
Jn.21:3 ἐξῆλθον They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately.
3Jn.7 ἐξῆλθον Because that for his name's sake they went forth.
« It was to redeem us that Jesus lived and suffered and died. He became "a Man of Sorrows," that we might be made partakers of everlasting joy. God permitted His beloved Son, full of grace and truth, to come from a world of indescribable glory, to a world marred and blighted with sin, darkened with the shadow of death and the curse. He permitted Him to leave the bosom of His love, the adoration of the angels, to suffer shame, insult, humiliation, hatred, and death.» SC 13.1
«None but the Son of God could accomplish our redemption; for only He who was in the bosom of the Father could declare Him. Only He who knew the height and depth of the love of God could make it manifest. Nothing less than the infinite sacrifice made by Christ in behalf of fallen man could express the Father's love to lost humanity.» {SC 14.2}
«He first loved us, and withheld not from us His beloved Son, but gave Him from His bosom to die that we might have life. Love, true love for our fellow men, evinces love to God. We may make a high profession, yet without this love it is nothing. Our faith may lead us to even give our bodies to be burned, yet without self-sacrificing love, such as lived in the bosom of Jesus and was exemplified in His life, we are as sounding brass and a tinkling cymbal. {2T 115.2}
«Christ left heaven and the bosom of His Father to come to a friendless, lost world to save those who would be saved. He exiled Himself from His Father and exchanged the pure companionship of angels for that of fallen humanity, all polluted with sin.» {3T 190.2}
And I personally think that E.J. Waggoner misinterpreted John 8:42 in his following statement from “Christ and His Righteousness”:
“We know that Christ "proceeded forth and came from God" (John 8:42), but it was so far back in the ages of eternity as to be far beyond the grasp of the mind of man.” “There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning.»
12:27-12:39
Gary Hullquist said: "And those four times in speaking of the Son coming out of the Father who possessed His Son in the beginning".
With these 4 times he closes his list. He chose to give the meaning of the word ἐξῆλθον only. Probably, because this word is used in those 4 times (verses) and because to give the meaning of the all forms (in NT - 43) of the Greek verb ἐξέρχομαι (to go out; used 222 times in NT) would be boring for the watchers.
He connects 'I came forth from the Father' with the fact of the birth of the Son of God in eternity. But the immediate context of those verses and the general context of the gospel of John do not give support for such interpretation. In Jn.8:42 the phrase 'I proceeded forth and came from God' is in parallel with the phrase 'neither came I of myself, but he sent me' and perfectly explained by it. The fact that God sent His Son at the time of incarnation and through incarnation is described by both phrases. Jn.13:3 : "Jesus knowing that the Father had given all things into his hands, and that he was come from God, and went to God”. Here the the phrases “was come from God” and “went to God” describe opposite actions: Jesus previously came from the Heaven (from the Father) and now returns there (to the Father). The Greek verb ἐξέρχομαι is used in the first phrase as in Jn.8:42. In Jn.16:27,28; 17:8 the Greek preposition παρά (from the side of) is used, not ἐκ (out from). Jesus came to the earth from the side of the Father, in other words he left the close communion with His Father.
11:53-11:57
Gary Hullquist translated the Greek phrase ἐγὼ παρὰ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον (Jn.16:27) as 'I beside from God came-out'. As I wrote earlier, it is impossible and incorrect to translate the Greek article τοῦ as 'from', because the article ὁ doesn't have the same meaning which the English preposition 'from' has. The Greek preposition παρά (from; beside) in connection with the words in Genetive case has the meaning 'from the side of', not 'beside'. Jesus simply said that He came from the side of the Father.
2:12-12:16
Gary Hullquist said: “Most of the 23 times this word occurs in the New Testament ...”
I don't know what he did mean when he said 'this word'. I suppose he did mean the Greek word ἐξῆλθον which he mentioned and explained before. This word occurs in the Greek new Testament 26 times (I have searched in 'Bible Works 7' program), not 23. So, why Hullquist said '23 times'? I have no clue. Actually, there two Greek words. They are homographs. The first is ἐξῆλθον 'I came out' (found in Mt.12:44; Lk.11:24; Jn.8:42; 16:27,28; 17:8; 2Cor.2:13; Phi.4:15 - 8 times). The second is ἐξῆλθον 'they went out' (found in Mt.25:1; 26:30; Mk.3:21; 5:14; 8:11; 14:16,26; Lk.8:35; Jn.4:30; 12:13; 21:3; Act.16:40; 28:15; Heb.11:15; 1Jn.2:19; 3Jn.7; Rev.9:3; 15:6 - 18 times).
12:21-12:27
Gary Hullquist said: "Only 2 times it is used in connection with people, describing evil spirits coming out of person who had been possessed".
Probably, those 2 times are Mt.12:44; Lk.11:24, were ἐξῆλθον refers to a coming out of a person metaphorically represented as a house for the demon.
"Jesus “came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name.” Of these the Saviour says, “The Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.” “O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it; that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.” {RH November 1, 1892, par. 11}
Christ came to reveal to the world the knowledge of the character of God, of which the world was destitute. {RH November 1, 1892, par. 12} "
Here, obviously, E. G. White connects the words of Jesus 'I came out from God' with her own statement 'Christ came to reveal to the world'.
I love thos presentation. From Harbin China. Do you have one on the Holy Spirit.
12:04-12:12
Gary Hullquist translated the Greek phrase παρὰ σοῦ ἐξῆλθον (Jn.17:8) as 'beside from You I came-out'. The Greek pronoun σοῦ (you; Genetive) cannot be translated 'from You', because it has no meaning 'from'. The Greek preposition παρά (from; beside) in connection with the words in Genetive case has the meaning 'from the side of', not 'beside'. So παρά σοῦ should be translated 'from Your side'.
11:42-11:50
Gary Hullquist translated the Greek phrase ἐγὼ γὰρ ἐκ τοῦ θεοῦ ἐξῆλθον (Jn.8:42) as 'I indeed out from God came-out'. It is impossible and incorrect to translate the Greek article τοῦ as 'from', because the article ὁ doesn't have the same meaning which the English preposition 'from' has. The article simply shows that the mentioned God is the definite God (the Father), not any God. Hullquist should color the Greek preposition ἐκ (from) and the English words 'out from' with the same color, because ἐκ equals 'out from' in meaning in this context. ἐκ = 'out from'. The same situation in Jn.16:28.
Jesus was not immortal but he gained immortality after his exaltation. Even though he came out from the father's being he had to earn his immortality. He had everlasting life but he was not immortal. Angels aren't dying but yet they're not said to be immortal. They have everlasting life
So much imagery, just saying
Most recent comments before update:
1DDGillespie Dec 2016
As a Trinitarian Seventh-day Adventist, I can, without reservation, say that in this area of study, I have found it to be true that Jesus was *always God's only begotten Son, from all eternity past, i.e. even BEFORE he became man when in his humanity the Father became his God since then, and my own studies have proven it, but with some other interesting findings all SDAs would do well to take note of as well:
www.scribd.com/document/331616383/JESUS-the-BEGOTTEN-SON-Compelling-Reasons-I-Believe-in-Jesus-Pre-Incarnate-Begetting
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TRSC Dec 2016
Thank you, Derrick, for your confirmation of the true meaning of the Greek word monogenes. Your referenced paper is quite interesting. We are still studying it. However, there is one quote on page 7 which needs to be reconsidered. You have attributed it to be the position in 1892 of "SD Adventists". But an examination of the actual citation on page 112 of the April 1, 1892 Bible Echo and Signs of the Times issue does not support this.
George C. Tenny is listed as Editor on page 104 of this issue (S.N. Haskell as Contributing Editor). The above quotation on page 112 appears as part of an editorial comment under the title “A CRITICISM CONSIDERED.” The quote is itself a quote by the editor from a “criticism” received from a subscriber who is objecting to the position taken by the Bible Echo & Signs of the Times in its Dec. 15, 1891 answer to another subscriber’s query on “the nature of the Trinity.” It cannot be determined from this entry whether the subscriber is a Seventh-day Adventist. But it is clear that the editor’s response is correcting the subscriber’s position of proving “the personality of the Holy Spirit” from “the latter chapters of John.” He states: “we did not consciously reveal any definite position in regard to the Holy Spirit’s personality” but “that the Spirit is the representative of the Father and Son does not deny his personality as our friend would make out.” The editor then ends by quoting J.H. Waggoner, “the Spirit of God is that awful and mysterious power which proceeds from the throne of the universe and which is the efficient actor in the work of creation and of redemption.”
We should be careful in quoting and especially in attributing identification of a source when researching historical documents. Your insertion of “[SD Adventists]” cannot be substantiated from a careful reading of the original.
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Gold Diamond Aug 2016
Psalm 86:8 states: "Among the Gods [pagan deities] there is none like you, LORD [Yahweh]; no deeds can compare with yours". Also in Isaiah 46:9, God himself declares: "Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me [no one among the Pagan Gods are like the True God Yahweh]". But the Son of the "Only True God", who is His exact image and likeness is "just like God [True God]". I am Not Trinitarian, but I do believe that Jesus is just like God [God the Father] and is therefore called "God" in the Bible. To me Divinity of Jesus is this: "God the Father was fully manifest or revealed in Jesus Christ". Jesus Christ is the "visible image" of the Invisible God in human form. As a true Son of the Only True God the Father, he carries the name and titles of God. According to the Scriptures, Seeing Jesus is like Seeing "God the Father" Himself who sent him [John 14:9, John 12:45 etc].
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David Leone' Nov 2016
Arian JH doctrine masquerading as Adventistism.
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Talking Rock Sabbath Chapel Nov 2016
JH doctrine places the divine Son of God as a created being, rather than the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14) appointed heir of all things (Heb 1:2) who by inheritance obtained a name (verse 4) given to Him by God His Father which is above every name (Phil 2:9) as the Bible states. The Son of God is not created because He is the one by whom all things were created (Eph 3:9). Man is a created being; angels are created beings, but the Son of God received all things by inheritance from His Father (Matt 11:27; John 3:35; 1Cor 15:24-27; Matt 28:18; John 5:26). He is the Son of God in truth (2John 3).
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David Leone' Nov 2016
Jesus is also YHWH... Original, Unborrowed, Underived Life from Eternity. Jesus has no beginning, no end.... AMEN?
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kevfoda Nov 2016
If you watch the series until the end they will explain exactly what the Original, unborrowed, underived means within its context.
Also did you know that the passage that ways that Jesus has life Original, Unborrowed, Underived Life, also says that we, as believers, can have that life too?
Do not accuse people when you do not understand their beliefs so your conscience makes you feel better. Try to understand what they are saying before accusing or rejecting it.
How can you be eternally begotten? That's like eternally conceived. Begotten means one's derived from another.
Ya the Great spirt of the Cherokee nation
Cherokee morning song
We n’ de ya ho
We n’ de ya ho
We n’ de ya,
We n’ de ya,
ho, ho, ho, ho.
He ya ho, he ya ho,
Ya ya ya
Translation
I am of the Great Spirit, it is so.
I am of the Great Spirit, it is so.
I am of the Great Spirit,
I am of the Great Spirit,
It is so, It is so, it is so, it is so.
Great Spirit, it is so, Great Spirit, it is so
Great Spirit, Great Spirit, Great Spirit
11:50-11:53
Hullquist said “ek out for emphasis". Neither the Greek preposition ἐκ (from) nor the Greek prefix ἐξ- denote emphasis. They have no such grammatical function. The Greek verb ἐξέρχομαι (to go out) is grammatically equivalent (approximately) to the English phrasal verb 'to go out'. The preposition 'out' has no grammatical function of emphasis. The Greek prefix ἐξ- has no also. Both give to the corresponding verb new meaning: to go (= to move) + out = to go out (= leave, depart from); ἔρχομαι (to go) + ἐξ- (out of) = ἐξέρχομαι (to go out). The Greek preposition ἐκ (from) denotes direction of an action defined by the verb. The same situation in Jn.16:28.
Collins Cobuild Advanced Learner’s English Dictionary defines emphasis as “extra force that you put on a syllable, word, or phrase when you are speaking in order to make it seem more important”. We can emphasize a word by intonation or by using special emphatic words. Neither the Greek preposition ἐκ (from) nor the Greek prefix ἐξ- are such emphatic means of the Greek language.
At least they are pointing out the truth in simple matters and not complicated things like you do. The message is clear from these series ..
@@nongwadbniah2262 They tell in a simple way that which is not true. I mean linguistic information. Error is error in whatever field. It is unsound to substantiate the truth on the error. And simplicity is not an argument for spreading error...
@@biblianin but they are leading people to the truth .. what are you leading ..just by your knowledge and not wisdom.
You think you can convince people with your Greek speciality...theres a bunch of people out there who know more than you and why don't you go and debunk the likes of Mythvision, Gnostic informant and Rabbi Tovia and Bart D Erhman if you think you are so smart.
@@nongwadbniah2262 I don't know them (Tovias etc.). Your argument is not relevant. I just watched this video and like Bereans verified what was said. And shared what I had found. Just it.
@@biblianin if you don't know them watch their videos and podcast if you think you are so smart enough and think you know so much than anybody. Why research only what you like or want to debunk only what you feel like. Are you scared because when you watch their videos you need to study deep some more or is it that you act too smart to comment only here which no researchers could comment on.
Come to gnostic informant and Mythvision ....we will see how much you know and think how smart you are.... If you are afraid then don't comment only here whom you think you are the only person who knows it all.
I am waiting there... Come
The Power of God in the Third Person-The prince of the power of evil can
only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the
Godhead, the Holy Spirit.-Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37.
(1897). {Ev 617.2}
11:06 John 8 42
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