THEOS: Patrick - Ch.5
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Chapter 5: Patrick
A comparison of Patrick's confession of faith, the Nicene Creed, and Early Christian Baptism follows the begotten belief into the fifth century.
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I wish there was discussion concerning Patrick and his Sabbath-keeping.
Matthew 28:19 wasn't added its is authentic just not in the interpretation of the trinity doctrine. the word translated to name means authority so what was written in original manuscript was a baptism done in the authority given by JESUS which was the commission of Matthew 28,19
Yoy are right, Mt.28:19 has changed.
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger:
He makes this confession as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19. “The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome.” - Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI) Introduction to Christianity: 1968 edition, pp. 82, 83. The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.
Catholic Church has changed Matthew 28:19! The baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the Trinitarian formula “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost” by the Catholic Church in the second century (look The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263).
These are the original words of Jesus, Matthew 28:18-20: “And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go, and make disciples of all nations in my name, teaching them observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.” (Look: Talk: Trinity/old1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).
The Spirit of Prophecy highlights Matthew 28:19 in many of the Testimonies.
This would directly indicate that this verse is authentic, and not an "added" imposter to the Sacred Canon.
There is a large body of documentation questioning the authenticity of this verse with suggestions that it did not exist before the Council of Nicea. But other sources cite the Didache 7:1 written between 70 and 100 AD, and Tertullian alluded to it in both his On Baptism Par. 13 and Against Praxeas chp. 2 around 200 AD.
John and Luke don’t mention any instruction from Jesus to baptize.
In Mark 16:15 he said, “Go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. Paul reported to the Colossians that the gospel had been taken to every creature under heaven. Col 1:23.
Vs 17: “In my name shall they cast out devils;" Paul and Barnabas did just that in Ephesus Acts 16:18.
“In my name they shall speak with new tongues" Disciples did that on Pentecost.
“In my name they shall take up serpents" Paul shook one off into the fire on Melitus.
“In my name they shall lay hands on the sick" Peter raised Dorcas from the dead!
Ellen White quoted Matt 28:19 over 200 times and as early as 1854. In 1897 she explained what she understood the words to mean:
"Before he left them, Christ gave his followers a positive promise that after his ascension he would send them the Holy Spirit. "Go ye therefore," he said, "and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father [a personal God,] and of the Son [a personal Prince and Saviour], and of the Holy Ghost [sent from heaven to represent Christ]: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world." {Home Missionary, July 1, 1897 par. 16} [brackets in the original].
Notice only the Father and Son are identified as the personal God and personal Saviour. In 1903 she wrote:
“The disciples were to carry their work forward IN Christ’s NAME. Their faith was to center IN HIM who is the Source of power. IN HIS NAME they were to present their petitions to the Father, and they would receive answer. Christ’s NAME was to be their watchword, their badge of office, their bond of union, the authority for their action, and the source of their success. Nothing was to be recognized in His kingdom that did not bear HIS NAME and superscription.” {ST August 12, 1903, par. 5} This was reprinted unchanged eight years later in the RH, June 8, 1911 par. 2. Yet, when it was incorporated into the Acts of the Apostles of 1911, the Matthew 28:19 language was inserted in the middle: "They were to baptize in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."
It appears that Ellen White applied Matt 28:19, the name, as an equivalent explanation of Christ’s name because Christ is the Father of his children (Heb 2:13) as he is the Son of his Father. And Christ comes to us Himself (John 14:8), from the Father (John 15:26), as “the Spirit of His [the Father’s] Son” Gal 4:6.
Talking Rock Sabbath Chapel
Great answer about the proper "usage" of this verse.
However, I still maintain that this verse [Matt.28:19] was used by the AUTHOR of the Testimonies.
Therefore, we cannot deny its authenticity as part of Holy Writ and thus Spirit-inspired, even though "a large body of documentation" in historical records would "question" or "suggest" otherwise.
Personally, I don't consider "questioning" and "suggestions" ample enough testimony to render or convert same to be fact.
However, at the same time, never was this verse applied by that same AUTHOR of the Testimonies to support a "trinity" of Persons or a "triune" God, etc.....nor did I suggest anything like that...
For that would be directly contrary to the very plain declarations of Scripture!
Great response...thanks!
7:35 God is a Spirit....... John 4:24
There's just ONE Spirit 1 Co 6:17, 12:13, Ep 2:18, 4:4
God "is" The Holy Spirit.
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it,
because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views
may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on
them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church.
Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding,
silence is golden. {AA 52.1}
Thank you Talking Rock Sabbath Chapel for challenging my faith regarding
this subject because I never knew the difference between the Trinity
and the Godhead
I will never use again the word Trinity but use Godhead
The catholic have a bad connotation regarding the Trinity (occult
symbols or occult meaning) but people cannot excluded the evidence of
the Holy Spirit working as an entity working for the salvation of men.
Excluding the fact that the Holy Spirit makes decision also according to
the Godhead will be false.
"Our opponents sometimes claim that no belief should be held
dogmatically which is not explicitly stated in scripture. But the
Protestant Churches have themselves accepted such dogmas, as the
Trinity, for which there is no such precise authority in the Gospels."
(Graham Greene, [celebrated Catholic Author], Life Magazine, 30 Oct.
1950
"As fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath
other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic
Church, such as sprinkling for baptism, the TRINITY, the conciousness of
the dead and eternal life in misery. The mass who have held these
fundamental errors,
have doubtless done it ignorantly; but can it be supposed that the
church of Christ will carry along with her these errors till the
judgement scenes
burst upon the world? We think not." (James White, Review and Herald,
Sept. 12, 1854, vol. 6, no. 5, page 36, par. 8)
James Whites had problem with the word Trinity and what it emplies but
not with the Godhead doctrine.
but from my own research The Holy Spirit is still call The Third Person
As for the Godhead,
yes. I believe in ONE God: three co-eternal persons- Father, Son and
the Holy Spirit. The Father and Son are undeniable, but it is with the
Holy Spirit that things get tricky for people, but we have to remember
that Christ came to reveal the Father, and the Holy Spirit reveals
Christ but as for the Holy Spirit, His personality is not revealed and
can not be comprehended (thus far at lest). We know His office-work but
as for the details of His personality we do not. Because that is so
folks deny the Holy Spirit as a part of the Godhead, but He is verily a
person and part of the Godhead.
1. The Spirit can distribute talents and gifts
1 Corinthians 12:11
11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to
every man severally as he will.
2. The Spirit has to be known and accepted
Acts 19:2
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed?
And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be
any Holy Ghost.
3. The Spirit came upon Mary and the Father overshadow her
Luke 1:35
35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come
upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore
also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the
Son of God.
4. The Spirit conceived Jesus the man
Matthew 1:18-20
18 Now
the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was
espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child
of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make
her a public example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord
appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear
not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her
is of the Holy Ghost.
4. The Spirit don't accept blasphemy against him but against the Son can
be forgiven
Matthew 12:31-32 [Full Chapter]
Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be
forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be
forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of
man, it shall be forgiven
him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be
forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
The Spirit was to be given as a regenerating agent, and without this the
sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail. The power of evil had
been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of men to this
satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only
through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead,
who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine
power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out
by the world’s Redeemer. {DA 671.2}
Sin could be resisted and overcome only
through the mighty agency of the THIRD PERSON OF THE GODHEAD
Romans 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Colossians 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Acts 17:29
Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think
that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art
and man's device.
Good read on the Holy Spirit:
www.whiteestate.org/books/aa/aa5.html
The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery. Men cannot explain it,
because the Lord has not revealed it to them. Men having fanciful views
may bring together passages of Scripture and put a human construction on
them, but the acceptance of these views will not strengthen the church.
Regarding such mysteries, which are too deep for human understanding,
silence is golden. {AA 52.1}
The Acts of the Apostles - egw
The office of the Holy Spirit is distinctly specified in the words of
Christ: “When He is come, He will reprove the world of sin, and of
righteousness, and of judgment.” John 16:8. It is the Holy Spirit that
convicts of sin. If the sinner responds to the quickening influence of
the Spirit, he will be brought to repentance and aroused to the
importance of obeying the divine requirements. {AA 52.2}
The Acts of the Apostles - egw
From the beginning, God has been working by His Holy Spirit
through human instrumentalities for the accomplishment of His purpose
in behalf of the fallen race. This was manifest in the lives of the
patriarchs. To the church in the wilderness also, in the time of Moses,
God gave His “good Spirit to instruct them.” Nehemiah 9:20. And in the
days of the apostles He wrought mightily for His church through the
agency of the Holy Spirit.
The same power that sustained the patriarchs, that gave Caleb and
Joshua faith and courage, and that made the work of the apostolic church
effective, has upheld God’s faithful children in every succeeding age.
It was through the power of the Holy Spirit that during the Dark Ages
the Waldensian Christians helped to prepare the way for the Reformation.
It was the same power that made successful the efforts of the noble men
and women who pioneered the way for the establishment of modern
missions and for the translation of the Bible into the languages and
dialects of all nations and peoples. {AA 53.1}
The Acts of the Apostles - egw
Read verse by verse regarding the Godhead:
The Godhead
sdanet.org/atissue/books/27/27-02.htm
144mille did you watch the first 4?
There is only *one* true God: the Father. Jesus is His Son, He is God by *inheritance*
Godhead doesn't define 3 persons, it defines nature = divinity(divine nature)
Persons are different to beings, there are 2 beings that possess the divine nature: God, the Father, and His Son Jesus. There are 3 persons that possess the divine nature: God, the Father, His Son Jesus, and the Spirit of God(Holy Spirit).
Very deep subject this one but never stop seeking truth! God bless you brother/sister! 🙏😊
Praise be to our God and to His Son Jesus Christ and may their holy Spirit dwell within you and guide you into all truth🙏
Good video. Trinity is a false doctrine!