Carth: "Only bratty children fly off the hand because of a simple comment." Also Carth: Flies off the handle over a simple comment. Also also Carth: Mission clearly is trying to apologize and condescendingly back hands her.
Carth is an actual jerk. I worked with a guy who Carth reminds me of a lot. Very edgy and snide, found out a year into my job it was rooted in my co-worker's father having been extremely critical and unloving to him. We both played Kotor before and I joked this was like something out of a Carth dialogue.
I wish there were more of these. It would be nice if Juhani and HK-47 talked with other party members. Juhani could at least talk with Bastila and Jolee.
@@BenjaminMankowski Well at least if you get Juhani to interject two (of the three possible) times when Candeorus talks during Dantooine and talk to her up to the point of the part of her story where she says the Mandalorians destroyed her home world you can ask her why she doesn't seem to like Canderous, but I do agree it's a perfect example of a missed opportunity for party banter.
I still think Juhani and Canderous should've had one considering the Mandolorians were the cause for everything she went through and what set her on the path to become a Jedi.
I do really enjoy how Carth and Bastila's second conversation was basically just what you'd hear in KOTOR 2. But in some ways I think it's almost better here, Bastila is so stubborn, so SURE that the council was right. But she also very clearly has no clue what she's talking about, she doesn't understand the war and even her argument that the council saw "a threat" is vague. In 2 the Jedi were basically gone, that kind of blind adherence was just stupidity by that point, here it's almost understandable why she would think like that.
I think a lot of Kotor is actually saying the same kind of messages Kotor 2 is, but less in your face exploration of the topic you know? More in a way for you to come to as your own conclusion I guess.
@@deaj8450 while a fair point, I think the bigger difference is context. In 1 you know a lot less about the Mandalorian War and the Jedi of the era. Carthage saying he wad a soldier and Atton talking about millions dying every day paint rather different pictures. Gives the Jedi a lot more benefit of the doubt
@@nahte123456 Sure, Kotor 2 was more more focused on the topic so it got more coverage in the game. I actually kind of like the way the first game handles it better, I just wish there was more of it. Sort of a game focused on these topics like Kotor 2 but done in a more subtle way like the first. I'd love a newer star wars rpg with the ability to truly have more grey type decisions but I'm skeptical of any game being done well anymore. My main weakness with the first Kotor is specifically that many dark side actions, especially early on, are just over the top evil, but I suppose that was often the point. Also certain side quests in that game really irk me, like the murder investigation on Dantooine. I'm bias though, I tend to like the first game more.
Bastila and Jolee's conversation is extremely telling IMO. Jolee is a twist on the archetype of the wise old mentor who lives as a hermit. But instead of being a mentor who initiates a pupil into the ways of the long-lost Jedi Order like Obi-Wan did with Luke, Jolee is just... himself. He wields the Force and wields a lightsaber, but he doesn't need the teachings of the Jedi to know himself and his ideals. He is a wise man who has lived a long life and, while a bit curmudgeonly, is fundamentally a good and decent person. Bastila, meanwhile, is a sheltered young Jedi who has little knowledge or understanding of the galaxy beyond her Jedi upbringing. She not only doesn't know about things outside of the Jedi tradition, but bases her entire worldview and belief system upon what she was taught to believe by the Jedi without forming her own opinions or ideas. Bastila literally cannot understand how someone can wield the Force outside of the auspices of the Jedi Order and not turn into a cackling Sith Lord. Bastila is a strange combination of arrogant and self-assured but also largely naive. Because of her skill in Battle Meditation, the Jedi Order treats her like a star pupil and heaps praise and approbation upon her, which feeds her sense of self-righteousness and entitlement. Jolee has actually lived a life, he understands the very human feelings of love, attachment, pride, jealousy, etc. Bastila is the kind of person who uncritically believes what she is told by perceived superiors (i.e. the Jedi Council) and internalises it as the truth. This trait, IMO, made Bastila deeply susceptible to the Dark Side and was a major contributor to her fall. Jolee Bindo, by comparison, is one of the companions who will never join a Dark Side Revan. Because he is strong in his personal convictions and he knows from his own experiences about what is right and wrong. I was always sad to see that later KOTOR games and media never used Jolee for much of anything. He is a very underappreciated character.
Still can’t get over how much of the kotor fandom is invested in Bastilla and Carth: they are both so irritating in their stubbornness and supposed superiority that as soon as I got new party members other than them they were quickly replaced.
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Statement: I find the lack of HK-47 banter disturbing.
All of us meatbags do.
Acknowledgement!
Response: I do to fellow meatbags.
Reasoning: HK-47 does not seem like the kind of droid to engage in conversation unless it is with his master or he is gloating to victims.
When Bastila trips Mission😂
Carth: "Only bratty children fly off the hand because of a simple comment."
Also Carth: Flies off the handle over a simple comment.
Also also Carth: Mission clearly is trying to apologize and condescendingly back hands her.
Carth is an actual jerk. I worked with a guy who Carth reminds me of a lot.
Very edgy and snide, found out a year into my job it was rooted in my co-worker's father having been extremely critical and unloving to him.
We both played Kotor before and I joked this was like something out of a Carth dialogue.
Carth is quite inconsiderate
Jedi princess. Canderous always had a way with words.
Jolees conversations are always the most interesting to me
I wish there were more of these. It would be nice if Juhani and HK-47 talked with other party members. Juhani could at least talk with Bastila and Jolee.
To be fair, Juhani and HK-47 are optional party members and KOTOR was kind of...rushed. (in the FF7 sense where it still turned out really good).
Juhani and Canderous could've had some explosive dialogue, given how her people suffered in the Mandalorian Wars.
@@BenjaminMankowski Well at least if you get Juhani to interject two (of the three possible) times when Candeorus talks during Dantooine and talk to her up to the point of the part of her story where she says the Mandalorians destroyed her home world you can ask her why she doesn't seem to like Canderous, but I do agree it's a perfect example of a missed opportunity for party banter.
Canderous almost managed to rebuff Carth but that line "I achieve justification through victory in battle" was too dumb in this context xD
Also Jolee speeches are so good!
Now this is why we love KOTOR: the immersion and details, not this dlc purchasing hahahaha.
I miss KOTOR :')
I still think Juhani and Canderous should've had one considering the Mandolorians were the cause for everything she went through and what set her on the path to become a Jedi.
that's probably why they don't have one. Cassus Fett butchered her people.
I do really enjoy how Carth and Bastila's second conversation was basically just what you'd hear in KOTOR 2. But in some ways I think it's almost better here, Bastila is so stubborn, so SURE that the council was right. But she also very clearly has no clue what she's talking about, she doesn't understand the war and even her argument that the council saw "a threat" is vague. In 2 the Jedi were basically gone, that kind of blind adherence was just stupidity by that point, here it's almost understandable why she would think like that.
I think a lot of Kotor is actually saying the same kind of messages Kotor 2 is, but less in your face exploration of the topic you know? More in a way for you to come to as your own conclusion I guess.
@@deaj8450 while a fair point, I think the bigger difference is context. In 1 you know a lot less about the Mandalorian War and the Jedi of the era.
Carthage saying he wad a soldier and Atton talking about millions dying every day paint rather different pictures. Gives the Jedi a lot more benefit of the doubt
@@nahte123456 Sure, Kotor 2 was more more focused on the topic so it got more coverage in the game. I actually kind of like the way the first game handles it better, I just wish there was more of it. Sort of a game focused on these topics like Kotor 2 but done in a more subtle way like the first. I'd love a newer star wars rpg with the ability to truly have more grey type decisions but I'm skeptical of any game being done well anymore. My main weakness with the first Kotor is specifically that many dark side actions, especially early on, are just over the top evil, but I suppose that was often the point. Also certain side quests in that game really irk me, like the murder investigation on Dantooine. I'm bias though, I tend to like the first game more.
14 year old Mission: Hey, I ain't no kid!
Um, yeah, I agree you are a kid considering the double negative makes it a positive. Plus, you're 14....
Jolee is like a more humorous version of Kreia.
This is so accurate lol, a more humorous version without an ulterior motive
Love the Canderous and Carth one
Awesome video!
Thank youuu!
Mission is so clumsy!
Canderous vs Mission would have been interesting.
Bastila and Jolee's conversation is extremely telling IMO.
Jolee is a twist on the archetype of the wise old mentor who lives as a hermit. But instead of being a mentor who initiates a pupil into the ways of the long-lost Jedi Order like Obi-Wan did with Luke, Jolee is just... himself. He wields the Force and wields a lightsaber, but he doesn't need the teachings of the Jedi to know himself and his ideals. He is a wise man who has lived a long life and, while a bit curmudgeonly, is fundamentally a good and decent person.
Bastila, meanwhile, is a sheltered young Jedi who has little knowledge or understanding of the galaxy beyond her Jedi upbringing. She not only doesn't know about things outside of the Jedi tradition, but bases her entire worldview and belief system upon what she was taught to believe by the Jedi without forming her own opinions or ideas. Bastila literally cannot understand how someone can wield the Force outside of the auspices of the Jedi Order and not turn into a cackling Sith Lord.
Bastila is a strange combination of arrogant and self-assured but also largely naive. Because of her skill in Battle Meditation, the Jedi Order treats her like a star pupil and heaps praise and approbation upon her, which feeds her sense of self-righteousness and entitlement.
Jolee has actually lived a life, he understands the very human feelings of love, attachment, pride, jealousy, etc. Bastila is the kind of person who uncritically believes what she is told by perceived superiors (i.e. the Jedi Council) and internalises it as the truth.
This trait, IMO, made Bastila deeply susceptible to the Dark Side and was a major contributor to her fall. Jolee Bindo, by comparison, is one of the companions who will never join a Dark Side Revan. Because he is strong in his personal convictions and he knows from his own experiences about what is right and wrong.
I was always sad to see that later KOTOR games and media never used Jolee for much of anything. He is a very underappreciated character.
The good times when there was no stupid wheel dialogue
Yeah having 5 identical options was better
@@Jourmand1r especially in KOTOR where it barely matters and your evil options get overtrumped by your first companion
@@channel45853piss off kotor is better
Is this really all of them? None between HK and T3? :o
They have some comments when pc talks to other npcs, but no banter of their own
@@Makilita and no of that cat lady
Still can’t get over how much of the kotor fandom is invested in Bastilla and Carth: they are both so irritating in their stubbornness and supposed superiority that as soon as I got new party members other than them they were quickly replaced.
Maybe if SO MANY people are invested in them, it's a you problem.
bastila is bae
Bastilla's stubbornness makes it really fun to flirt with her and makes you care about her. Carth's romance on the other hand, is kinda boring
@@lonebattledroid4474 Yeah, Bastila is both looks and personality, Carth is only for looks.
I feel the same way about kreia.
No one asked Juhani why she speaks with russian accent😅😊?
Must have something to do with her cat genes.
Man I forgot how annoying mission was and Carth. Well hell everyone kinda piss me off at some point I'm darkside revan btw