one of my favourite moments was the reveal of the fake tie disappearing, the way the not doctor is all "ohhh I see" is so creepy, especially with the laugh afterwards
In fairness to the clone doctor not having the salt shaker, it was shown in the episode that the clones have trouble with the concept of object permanence. Like when he takes off the tie and it disappears. "Oh, i see. Things still exist when theyre out of sight."
It was definitely noticeable in the corridor that they were acting in front of green screen. It was easier to forget that as the episode went on, but still.
@kingkazathis is one of the best takes I’ve seen about the effects in this episode. The lighting is the main problem, it’s so clinical and flat like an operating room. Some people pointed out how bright it is as an issue but I think it’s mostly that there is no depth to infer through lighting so the backgrounds look flat as heck
In the opening when they first walked into the corridor, I was like oh dear but over the course of the episode I was entranced by David and Catherine's banter and performances that I kinda forgot about it. Personally I felt it was too bright. If it was a darker corridor, similar to how it looked when the Corridor powers down before the explosion that almost kills Donna... I think it would've looked better like that.
10 years ago movie critics made sketches. Sometimes their character reviewed the movie in space. Witch means they put a backround from a star wars game with greenscreen. I got this flash from the episode
I'm surprised you didn't mention the explosions down the corridor. I know we all knew deep down that there was no threat, but I LOVE the imagery of seeing the inevitable destruction coming before the sound of explosions even can properly catch up. That experience would traumatise you.
I thought it was a great image too. But then I thought wouldn’t Donna be blasted out of the ship, due to the pressure being forced out due to the explosion? Like when a door is opened on a plane and things get sucked out.
@@toasterroast7678 Explosive decompression is often exaggerated in fiction. In reality it tends to consist of a short burst of rapid air movement, followed by nothing as the pressure equalises. It's not a continuous wind.
I think the point of the scene was to show the impact on Donna, we all know the doctor will come back for her, it will make her want to go back to her normal life like what happened to Dan.
Same here. After every single episode, I watch all of the reviews from these RUclips channels: council of geeks, harbo wholmes, full fat videos, mr Tardis, and harry’s moving media 😂 they almost never agree on anything. All videos are entertaining!!
“Well you see, the reason we had that goofy ass intro to Star Beast is to make sure all new viewers are caught up with context. Yeah, that's all already in the episode but we just wanted to make doubly sure." "Oh, you're a new viewer and have no idea what the Flux is or why half the universe has been destroyed? Not our fault, should have been paying attention scrub, Imao."
I’ve tried to imagine thirteen and the “fam” in this episode. And it would not nearly have been as good or scary. I just find that so telling of how good the writing and acting is in this episode
Imagine how the original interactions between the real characters and Not-things would've panned out. You wouldn't have been able to tell something was off because the acting and dialogue was always off.
@@TPH250290 Definitely. This sort of plot relies on the audience knowing the characters well enough to be able to immediately tell when something is off. I wouldn't notice anything was amiss if it was Yaz or Thirteen. Maybe with Graham? Three seasons we have spent with these characters and yet we have no idea who they were.
14:15 My thought was that the clone Donna pretended the salt circle worked so that both A) The actual duo think they're safe and don't run away, and so that B) They begin to wonder what the clones are if it "worked", thus making them think.
I've been eagerly waiting for this review and you didn't disappoint! So good that you praised this episode for the uncanny valley, the insanely tight writing, and those heart-breaking performances from Tennant and Tate. I'm done with negative reviews of this episode, hopefully the episodes to come will be as great! I'm gonna watch it again.
@mrsuperwill1 are you alright? Bit of a huge assumption to make, i assume emotions are high. This episode was a mid thing in most other doctor who seasons. Its not absorbaloth tier. But its mid. Many issues with the central plot, would you like me to elaborate?
"My arm's too long" is the scariest thing. I hope this is something that kids say to frighten each other after seeing this. The "are you my mummy" of the season, if you will.
Tenant really shines in this episode, you can see that billions of years have passed for him and still gives us enough of 10 to keep our nostalgia banks full lol
I don't understand why this episode has divided people so heavily, effects and backgrounds have ALWAYS been goofy and... Not the best shall we say with doctor who. The content, the acting, the intrigue, this episode was fantastic all the way through. I've not watched Doctor who for a few years now but this is starting to get me back into it
@@EddJones25 the issue is though, had they done something similar to midnight then everyone would just be complaining that it's unoriginal. There's no one thing they can do that'll please everybody, that's the same for all TV shows though. Personally I'd say poor SFX are a worthy price to pay for an Excellent story Even games that are over a decade old may have terrible graphics but are still masterpieces
@@rizzlebazzle5845 It was unoriginal though, and clearly a redo of midnight with two mystery beings copying two characters this time. It also confirmed the Timeless child and flux stories and they KNOW that those saw over half the audience leave, so its a massive F*ck you to the fans from RTD because they didnt like his buddy Chinballs AWFUL fanfiction retcons. I dont understand how anyone can NOT see why this episde was divisive.
@lesigh1749 I mean considering I haven't watched doctor who since Peter Capaldi, I really enjoyed this episode, it was much better than the cringe fest that was the starbeast. I saw similarities to midnight, but not straight up copying.
@@verona8144 The BBC in particular and media in the UK in general have been trying to blackface british history for years. They will routinely put none anglo-saxon people in historiucal settings where its impossible or certainly very unlikely for them to have been. They think it makes the world better if they lie about Britian always having been multi-racial. Channel 4 recently made Anne Boleyn a black woman. Issac newton as an Indian is a similar level of whopper.
I gave it a 9 too, this episode was delicious. The acting in moments like the realisation of where they are, with the score, the ending with Donna staring into the possible ending of her life, this episode was amazing and I will think about it forever.
14:15 the salt reference goes back to demons. Salt in a circle protects the person inside because demons have to count the grains before they pass thru the circle. What a strange reference until you realize that the Doctor is the Fallen Angel who was given the key to the bottomless pit. Time. The Doctor is Apollo who has the power to resurrect himself into a new body. Wow. Freemasons.
Still can't get over after rewatching the first scene of no-things and noticing how after the no-doctor says "My arms are too long" Donna fucking agrees lmao
Honestly the only bit I was remotely critical about was the salt shaker and the part where the shapeshifter impersonator thingies showed themselves to the real Doctor and Donnna for the 1st time, and then real Doctor and Donna both ran into eachother, running off, like couldn't in theory there have been more of them and at least the Doctor would be more careful? but it is also a split second decision in the moment and tbf probably wouldn't even come acroos your mind in the moment. Loved the episode overall though my favourite in a very long time
I’ll be honest, it’s kind of shocking to see people not really enjoy this episode. I really, REALLY liked it more than I probably should have. It’s sad to see the general reception is one that’s so negative right now but I think people will come around to it.
What race is the captain, how did the ship end up in a wormhole, were is the crew why is the captain the only one there, dose it take only one person to operate that ship or more, I’d say more, what is that ship made for, how did those two creatures get on bored, how did the captain figure out what the creatures were doing, so many questions left unanswered to many so why, why leave so many unanswered question, because in future episode we’re returning to this plot line that’s what I think, they gonna do something like when we meet river song future doctor meeting something he meet in the past but now he’s in the past before said thing took place, I think the doctor will meet the captain and there will be a crew, then by the end of the ep the captain will tell the doctor to take the rest of the crew in his tartis and get out of here and the captain will sacrifice himself by flying into a worm hole boom that’s my theory
ngl I am a bit worried for donna in giggle, she's had two close calls with death in these specials so far and something tells me that's not a coincidence
I hope Harry re-reviews Heaven Sent with this level of detail, enthusiasm and heart about the music, performance and the featured character's psyche in the near future.
as a musician one of the things I’m loving a lot is that in the past two episodes Gold has used the Doctor’s Theme, Donna’s Theme, and I THINK he used Gallifrey’s theme in this one but I’m not sure if that was intentional or if it was just something he wrote that sounds like it, but he uses them in good ways and it doesnt feel like hes just bringing them back because he can
I just finished re-watching the latest episode (a very amazing episode, love it so much) and I absolutely love that scene when the not-things first made their appearance to the Doctor and Donna. At first, I thought both the not-things were trying to copy both Doctor and Donna at the same time so that they could have copies of both and interchange or something like such when needed. But then I realised perhaps the not-things are only copying the one they picked, so when they're asking questions in their first appearance, those questions were from the minds of the real ones. It's almost like their subconscious. In my opinion, both the dialogues were their "outputs", while the questions were what they really wanted to know and really wanted to do. The doctor has nothing but the TARDIS, therefore he wants to know Donna's husband and wants to meet Wilf again, he wants and loves connections because he has none. On the other hand, Donna knows what she has, and also well known that the doctor never talks about his past or basically anything about himself , his feelings etc. Remember in one scene where the doctor mentioned minds can believe and do separate things or something like that? (sort of) For me, the dialogues and the questions are actually sort of communicating and connecting based on that: When Donna was babbling about her tedious past, not-thing Donna asked about Gallifrey. When the not-thing Doctor expressed he wanted to meet Wilf and Donna's husband, the doctor masked things into a soft tone and said he's only the TARDIS left. and when they were back in the TARDIS, Donna asked the doctor again what he had been through (that's his past and his feelings), and the doctor wanted to know if there was anyone who could understand him or if he could connect emotionally (or of course make sure that no one knew since that's very doctor). Very beautiful writing in conclusion. It feels like it's the Doctor who reached out to people taking them on adventures, but in fact, it's the companions reaching out to him emotionally, while the doctor still hiding inside his shell. (Sorry for this long and chappy comment, this overanalysed thing was actually from a chat with my friend and neither of my friend and I are native English speakers please forgive me QQ )
The initial scene with the robot at the end of the hallway was absolutely terrifying, I thought through the whole scene whatever it was at the end of the hallway would immediately run to the doctor at the speed of sound
I was thinking the shape would veeeeery slowly get bigger as it turns out that despite it looking like it's slow moving, it only looks that way cause the corridor is so long.
Met Nathan on the set of it’s a sin, worked as a background extra as one of his buddies, (don’t know which one I haven’t actually watched the show) he said my hair was very nice, lovely guy really cool to see him play Newton!
Finally glad to find a review that doesn't contain the words, "missed opportunity." Seems every review I've watched contains that complaint and that it's disappointing that no other Doctor appeared. Thank god, there's someone who just enjoyed it for what it was and not for what it didn't do.
I think it's because he doesn't understand that you can hide objects in other objects like how he didn't know ties stay on the ground after letting them go.
I loved this episode, especially as someone who loves grounded absurdity it was a delight and both my bf and I felt like we were watching Saturday night entertainment as children again :)
I didn't think it sucked but I would rate it an average episode compared to the original RTD / Tennant era but that is still better than recent seasons. I have said elsewhere that I think RTD's comment that he would have done 12 episodes if Tennant and Tate were available points to my main issue with these specials. They feel like ordinary episodes that would fit really well in a longer Season but for such a short run, they feel kind of rushed and don't really allow the viewer to properly catch up with the characters and get to know them again after the passage of time. I would have loved a properly paced 12 episode build up which would finally lead to 15 coming in at the end. Would have felt more satisfying and climactic.
Glad to hear someone give this episode a positive review. Everyone else seem like they've spent so long trashing the show, they're scared to actually admit it was a good episode. I hated Chinballs and Jodie's Doctor Who run, and hated Capaldi's run once Bill showed up, but I loved this, and I'm hopeful.
kinda bugged me that there was no explanation/apology for the doctor taking the wrong donna, if it was an accident he should have apologised to her which he didnt, and its kinda weird that he would make that mistake. if it was on purpose....why?
It's interesting that they haven't addressed that the 15 years for Donna has been more than 1300 for The Doctor. I can't remember exactly the last count, but I think Tennant was 900 oldest and capaldi was well over 2000
When this episode wants to be great, it's absolutely phenomenal. David's monologue about nothingness in the cockpit, David and Catherine acting their chops off as both characters they're playing and the general tone of a kind of supernatural horror we've never seen before is just bone chilling. The no things are one of the best concepts the show has come up with, the way they don’t just look like you but become you the more you think as you do, which you obviously can’t help. That stuff is up there with Midnight, The Impossible Planet, Forest of the Dead and Waters of Mars for me. And Wilf's cameo... what more needs to be said? 🥹 But unfortunately this episode also has a lot of stuff weighing it down, chief among them for me is the tonal whiplash from the "mavity" subplot. It's dumb, it's cringe and it doesn't fit this episode’s theme or tone at all. (And the less said about the unnecessary race swap the better.) But more importantly, I also found the CGI to be incredibly distracting. Even when it was good, it wasn't fitting. I can appreciate the talent involved in some places but at the same time, I did find the plasticky nature of the no things to be off putting. And not in a good way, in a "I'm watching a TV show with bad effects" kind of way. I just don't think this angle could work, maybe if the no things had been gaseous beings like the Gelth it would have worked better and the shifting walls was the old captain's attempt to cut them off from each other as they can't pass through the walls, and emphasised that they literally do not understand physical matter as they are not physical beings. But as it stands, those scenes took me out of an episode I was otherwise very much invested in. Realising that Doctor and Donna weren't speaking to each other was one of the most terrifying feelings I've had watching something in a long time by contrast. Overall, a huge improvement in writing, tone and story from Star Beast but for one of the last times we're going to see David as the Doctor? In spite of this episode's strengths, it's still hugely disappointing as a special of the show.
@@Longshanks1690 and why is it stupid? This is a fictional story with real world elements, changing his race in a TV show isn't going to change real world history, they chose an actor to play the role that actor just happened to not be white, it's fine, your not mad at the hit musical Hamilton for having a poc cast play white people are you? Then why be here.
My God! Someone else noticed the breathing sound in the title theme - once I spotted it, that's all I could hear. Like something out of an Edgar Allen Poe story...
I mostly agree with you, except I thought the Isaac Newton scene was terrible, and I dislike the Timeless Child stuff a great deal. But it's fun to disagree and argue. :)
Im surprised others werent immediately aware it wasnt them coming into each others rooms. I thought it was obvious just due to the fact that the doctor walks in unannounced and the camera has no focus on him at all and we never saw him finish in the other room. I just said "thats not him is it" and then it showed him in the other room to confirm that
I do think the first 2 hold up so much better than the last one but i really like this trilogy, its so easy to watch and fun, and neatly packed, i would say it is clear, the more times you watch that Tennant is on an i need to get some recovery arc but it may have benefitted from more hints towards both that direction and the technological developments.
Great review. The only other thing I would have liked to hear you comment on was the doctor picking a Donna to take in the tardis. I've seen some people say that he could have just taken both of them until he could figure out which one is the real one and since then I haven't thought of a good reason for him to pick only one myself.
it was good, but i felt like it was just an added to version of Midnight, it was pretty much the same storyline, just explaining the monster this time. also pretty sure the doctor has been the edge/end of the universe before more than once in new who
The mention of the timeless child is rather what took me out of the experience, if I'm honest. It's still a terrible idea that hasn't been given any weight beyond another thing for the Doctor to lament, and yes, this is the first time in the show it's honestly made to matter in real time as opposed to the potential of what it means to the character. Still hate the idea. Otherwise, I thought it was an ok episode, with definite shades of Midnight. However, none of this answers any of the questions presented with Tennant's return, and they have only one more special for that be made clear. Mildly disappointed with this one, as opposed to how annoyed the Star Beast left me. Cribbins coming in at the end made me very happy though.
This was the a really good "weird" Episode of Doctor Who imo. It had a lot of Sunshine, Alien, The Thing or Event Horizon vibes. The back and forth between the real and doppelgangers of the Doctor and Donna were brilliantly done. Though they were indeed goofy, I thought the VFX on the doppelgangers was quite creepy.
Ugh THIS is why I love your videos man, I saw screaming when I saw this episode, I mean the dudes right hitch hikers guide, its a spin on my favorite episode midnight, THE STARS ARE GOING OUT, the timeless child!! I mean it made me wanna rewatch and thats saying A LOT, and of course Wilf, absolute 10/10 video I was so happy watching it waiting to hear you review a good video FINALLY
I love that we're finally back to a simple proven Who formula with solid writing. Doctor and companion get stranded, this time without a screwdriver, so it's up to the two to be clever and fast so they can solve the problem and escape. David and Lauren just get to kill it with their acting chemistry, and the writing has the right kind of build up to its reveals that it makes this episode just fun to watch!
couldn’t wait for ur review man, been watching you since the Christopher eccelston reviews. haven’t seen u this excited about an episode since the empty child i think ahahah
I absolutely enjoyed this episode. I’m not watching the final episode of the anniversary specials for a little while. I don’t want to see Tennant’s run come to an end again. I’m not ready to say goodbye to him at all. I’m just going to enjoy denial as long as I can. Lol
Do you have to big up one actor to bring down another? That is disrespectful to both Tennant and Jodie who are BOTH talented and are very good friends.
The biggest problem with him leaving Donna behind is that it was completely pointless from a narrative standpoint. He chooses the wrong Donna, then immediately kicks her out without any payoff. It didn't feel like the scene earned its right to exist.
@@stevedavidson5038 That's a good point. And even later, it doesn't seem to cause any conflict between the pair. You'd think this might leave a bit of a mark on their friendship but it does not. So there wasn't much of a point to it, really.
@@rkah6187 And also considering the fact he had both a scanner to detect which Donna was real and a button that could eject her out of the Tardis, why did he only let one of them in? Surely he could have taken both Donna's in the Tardis, scan both of them and eject the copy. It's such a shame because the moment Donna got left behind was absolutely horrifying but I just hate the fact it was instantly resolved with a Tardis scanner, not satisfying at all.
When the doctor says that the TARDIS brought them their I don't think he meant that as her doing it on purpose just that it happened coincidentally at that time
The only let down for me was the tardis just showing up because the monster failing. Just because it made the doctors presence useless as he didn’t do anything to stop them and if he wasn’t there the story would happen the same way
Happy to see some positive reception for a genuinely great story. People's political fury overshadows which is essentially an instant classic for me. It's a slightly different flavour 'Midnight' mixed with the 'Evil Dead' and 'The Thing'. Absolutely love what Russel's doing with the Timeless Child. As someone who hated the idea, seeing a writer say 'alright then, let's show the emotional consequences of Flux and Timeless Child' suddenly makes them a lot better. I've got a feeling that the fan reception for The Time War and the Doctor being the last of the Timelords was very controversial at the time, but since RTD can do emotions so well, I'm sure nobody cared.
I'm still unsure about this episode after my second watch (probably needs a third viewing) Some bits that didn't sit well with me were the usual vampire teeth and rabid animal noises that appear so often in Doctor Who once the bad guys are revealed - I wish they'd stop it. I didn't like the opening scene, it felt very jarring in pace/tone compared to the rest of the episode however, I think the mavity of the situation may be something a lot more than just a joke. Equally (but for different reasons) the final scene was clearly heavily edited, as if a couple of parts were taken out and it's such a pity Bernard wasn't able to return to filming as the end comes very abruptly. But maybe this was just because he appeared so suddenly that I couldn't help but just cry for about the next half hour. So I'm not certain how much my opinion is swayed by sentimentality - also, on re-watch, outside of the 3 character's conversation, if you watch the background people, it all seems a bit odd as if there's a scene missing. Overall 7.5/10 but it would have been a 6/10 without the scene with Wilf at the end - I just wish we'd had more of him including a trip in the Tardis. Rest in peace mate and thank you for always making me smile and cry at the same time x
If you'd asked me before this episode whether or not I'd want them to honour the Timeless Child stuff, I would've said "no". However, Tennant actually lends weight to the whole thing and makes me want to see where it's going.
@kingkaza There is one possibility: The child who winds up coming out of the wormhole is actually a FUTURE Doctor who regressed to a child due to some danger, just like The Master did before he became Professor Yana.
The long shots down the corridor showed Tennant with his hands swinging by his side, the side on shots, they were in his pockets. Bad continuity or the doppelgänger creatures ??????
Episode gave me CGI level of the Forest of the Dead. But with less real sets. Kinda scuffed, especially for anniversary. And I'm usually not a person to care about the quality of it. Everything else - really good. 2:30 I hope they don't keep it for next 15 seasons tbh. Awful name for gravity, not gonna lie.
Missed opportunity for the Blue Yonder not to make a great simpsons reference "Huh Issac Newton," - Tenth Doctor "I'm not actually Sir Issac Newton I'm just assuming his form,"
I liked this one a lot more than Star Beast. Some issues, particularly with internal logic, but it was a lot of fun. I have to say, I'm also quite surprised and keen that they ACTUALLY deal with some fallout and emotional follow-up to the Flux and Timeless Children. It was brief but it only highlights how... "nothing" series 13 was.
This episode was great but I am discombobulated by the fact that they weren't saving the day. When we realize the Captain had already saved the day, I was wondering what the heck Donna and Doctor were doing there.
I think Jimbo could only blow it up so she set Jimbo to walk towards the self destruction button slowly so the doppelgangers don't realize then used the airlock to sacrifice themselves and let Jimbo do the work 3 years later
I think they were suggesting that if the Captain stayed on board the Not Things would have completed their copying of her and would have twigged her plan before she could blow up the ship, so she set it in motion very slowly and with a non organic robot that couldn't be replicated or thoughts stolen before sacrificing herself to keep the plan a secret.
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one of my favourite moments was the reveal of the fake tie disappearing, the way the not doctor is all "ohhh I see" is so creepy, especially with the laugh afterwards
That was so well delivered
It was the best acting ever!
It feels good to see Harry so happy again. Glad he loved the episode so much
I thought it was all sarcasm 😂😂
I hope the review is all sarcasm.
His review process is taking the average review score of an episode and then either adding or deducting 3 points.
In fairness to the clone doctor not having the salt shaker, it was shown in the episode that the clones have trouble with the concept of object permanence.
Like when he takes off the tie and it disappears. "Oh, i see. Things still exist when theyre out of sight."
Also the real Doctor probably has bigger on the inside pockets where the clones most likely don't
That line. Along with The clones realising that they need to eat really did send shivers down my spine
That was one of my favorite moments in the whole episode
Being very unnecessarily pedantic here but the exact line is “Oh I see, when something is gone it keeps existing”
@@Sxdgefield Yeah, couldn't remember the exact line, lol
It was definitely noticeable in the corridor that they were acting in front of green screen. It was easier to forget that as the episode went on, but still.
The CGI in both these episodes has been shoddy at best, they definitely needed more time or money to get them finished.
The perspective of the corridor was wrong, too, making it look as if the floor was angled like a ramp.
@kingkazathis is one of the best takes I’ve seen about the effects in this episode. The lighting is the main problem, it’s so clinical and flat like an operating room. Some people pointed out how bright it is as an issue but I think it’s mostly that there is no depth to infer through lighting so the backgrounds look flat as heck
In the opening when they first walked into the corridor, I was like oh dear but over the course of the episode I was entranced by David and Catherine's banter and performances that I kinda forgot about it.
Personally I felt it was too bright. If it was a darker corridor, similar to how it looked when the Corridor powers down before the explosion that almost kills Donna... I think it would've looked better like that.
10 years ago movie critics made sketches. Sometimes their character reviewed the movie in space. Witch means they put a backround from a star wars game with greenscreen.
I got this flash from the episode
I'm surprised you didn't mention the explosions down the corridor. I know we all knew deep down that there was no threat, but I LOVE the imagery of seeing the inevitable destruction coming before the sound of explosions even can properly catch up. That experience would traumatise you.
I thought it was a great image too. But then I thought wouldn’t Donna be blasted out of the ship, due to the pressure being forced out due to the explosion? Like when a door is opened on a plane and things get sucked out.
@@toasterroast7678 Explosive decompression is often exaggerated in fiction. In reality it tends to consist of a short burst of rapid air movement, followed by nothing as the pressure equalises. It's not a continuous wind.
I think the point of the scene was to show the impact on Donna, we all know the doctor will come back for her, it will make her want to go back to her normal life like what happened to Dan.
@@thegrouchizationAh okay, appreciate the response :)
I'm loving the contrast between this and Harbo Wholmes. Really shows how two people can have such different opinions on a single thing.
Same here. After every single episode, I watch all of the reviews from these RUclips channels: council of geeks, harbo wholmes, full fat videos, mr Tardis, and harry’s moving media 😂 they almost never agree on anything. All videos are entertaining!!
“Well you see, the reason we had that goofy ass intro to Star Beast is to make sure all new viewers are caught up with context. Yeah, that's all already in the episode but we just wanted to make doubly sure."
"Oh, you're a new viewer and have no idea what the Flux is or why half the universe has been destroyed? Not our fault, should have been paying attention scrub, Imao."
I’ve tried to imagine thirteen and the “fam” in this episode. And it would not nearly have been as good or scary. I just find that so telling of how good the writing and acting is in this episode
Imagine how the original interactions between the real characters and Not-things would've panned out. You wouldn't have been able to tell something was off because the acting and dialogue was always off.
@@TPH250290”Oh no, they’re fakes!”
“Who is?”
@@TPH250290 Definitely. This sort of plot relies on the audience knowing the characters well enough to be able to immediately tell when something is off.
I wouldn't notice anything was amiss if it was Yaz or Thirteen. Maybe with Graham? Three seasons we have spent with these characters and yet we have no idea who they were.
@@rkah6187yes we did. Very much so.
I mean you could say that about any other Doctor and companion. I think this episode is specific for this Doctor and Donna.
I definitely liked this one better than the first one. I agree it was a return to form.
I would also recommend It’s A Sin, it is truly fantastic and absolutely broke my damn heart. It really is RTD’s masterpiece.
14:15 My thought was that the clone Donna pretended the salt circle worked so that both A) The actual duo think they're safe and don't run away, and so that B) They begin to wonder what the clones are if it "worked", thus making them think.
I've been eagerly waiting for this review and you didn't disappoint! So good that you praised this episode for the uncanny valley, the insanely tight writing, and those heart-breaking performances from Tennant and Tate. I'm done with negative reviews of this episode, hopefully the episodes to come will be as great! I'm gonna watch it again.
Air tight writing?!
@@oliverspencer8502 if you don’t like this episode we’re you ever even really a fan of doctor who?
@mrsuperwill1 are you alright? Bit of a huge assumption to make, i assume emotions are high. This episode was a mid thing in most other doctor who seasons. Its not absorbaloth tier. But its mid. Many issues with the central plot, would you like me to elaborate?
@@oliverspencer8502 no thanks, I don’t value your input
@@mrsuperwill1 you ate quite the fanatic
I can't lie this episode was really good haven't felt this way about ba doctor who episode in a while
idk why but the jaunty country background music changing to epic space edm was so funny to me
"My arm's too long" is the scariest thing. I hope this is something that kids say to frighten each other after seeing this. The "are you my mummy" of the season, if you will.
Tenant really shines in this episode, you can see that billions of years have passed for him and still gives us enough of 10 to keep our nostalgia banks full lol
I don't understand why this episode has divided people so heavily, effects and backgrounds have ALWAYS been goofy and... Not the best shall we say with doctor who. The content, the acting, the intrigue, this episode was fantastic all the way through. I've not watched Doctor who for a few years now but this is starting to get me back into it
If the effects look *that* bad, I'd rather they leave them out altogether,
write a story well enough, and you don't need any effects, see Midnight.
@@EddJones25 the issue is though, had they done something similar to midnight then everyone would just be complaining that it's unoriginal. There's no one thing they can do that'll please everybody, that's the same for all TV shows though.
Personally I'd say poor SFX are a worthy price to pay for an Excellent story
Even games that are over a decade old may have terrible graphics but are still masterpieces
@@rizzlebazzle5845 It was unoriginal though, and clearly a redo of midnight with two mystery beings copying two characters this time.
It also confirmed the Timeless child and flux stories and they KNOW that those saw over half the audience leave, so its a massive F*ck you to the fans from RTD because they didnt like his buddy Chinballs AWFUL fanfiction retcons.
I dont understand how anyone can NOT see why this episde was divisive.
@lesigh1749 I mean considering I haven't watched doctor who since Peter Capaldi, I really enjoyed this episode, it was much better than the cringe fest that was the starbeast. I saw similarities to midnight, but not straight up copying.
@@verona8144 The BBC in particular and media in the UK in general have been trying to blackface british history for years. They will routinely put none anglo-saxon people in historiucal settings where its impossible or certainly very unlikely for them to have been. They think it makes the world better if they lie about Britian always having been multi-racial.
Channel 4 recently made Anne Boleyn a black woman. Issac newton as an Indian is a similar level of whopper.
I gave it a 9 too, this episode was delicious. The acting in moments like the realisation of where they are, with the score, the ending with Donna staring into the possible ending of her life, this episode was amazing and I will think about it forever.
Donna staring into the fire was so amazingly acted. Catherine Tate’s best acting in Doctor who maybe ever aside from Turn left.
The funny thing is, is that the hair gel is probably the same that they use In Tennant’s hair😂😂
I can't wait for the episode tomorrow because of the Toymaker.
NPH was a great choice to play him.
Can't wait for Neil
Harry having to tell and not show is the sort of poetic irony i am absolutely here for 😂
14:15 the salt reference goes back to demons. Salt in a circle protects the person inside because demons have to count the grains before they pass thru the circle. What a strange reference until you realize that the Doctor is the Fallen Angel who was given the key to the bottomless pit. Time. The Doctor is Apollo who has the power to resurrect himself into a new body. Wow. Freemasons.
Still can't get over after rewatching the first scene of no-things and noticing how after the no-doctor says "My arms are too long" Donna fucking agrees lmao
7:17 who else tried to do a hexagon with their fingers here?
I’ve seen people say that the entity from wild blue yonder is the midnight entity but evolved
19:07
I did not expect a "Jessica Jones" reference at the very end, but bravo on that quick thinking
Honestly the only bit I was remotely critical about was the salt shaker and the part where the shapeshifter impersonator thingies showed themselves to the real Doctor and Donnna for the 1st time, and then real Doctor and Donna both ran into eachother, running off, like couldn't in theory there have been more of them and at least the Doctor would be more careful? but it is also a split second decision in the moment and tbf probably wouldn't even come acroos your mind in the moment. Loved the episode overall though my favourite in a very long time
12:08 when you gold all your murrays
I’ll be honest, it’s kind of shocking to see people not really enjoy this episode. I really, REALLY liked it more than I probably should have. It’s sad to see the general reception is one that’s so negative right now but I think people will come around to it.
Agree I love this ep so much, loved it so much came up with a theory I think is good, so many questions were left from this ep in my opinion
What race is the captain, how did the ship end up in a wormhole, were is the crew why is the captain the only one there, dose it take only one person to operate that ship or more, I’d say more, what is that ship made for, how did those two creatures get on bored, how did the captain figure out what the creatures were doing, so many questions left unanswered to many so why, why leave so many unanswered question, because in future episode we’re returning to this plot line that’s what I think, they gonna do something like when we meet river song future doctor meeting something he meet in the past but now he’s in the past before said thing took place, I think the doctor will meet the captain and there will be a crew, then by the end of the ep the captain will tell the doctor to take the rest of the crew in his tartis and get out of here and the captain will sacrifice himself by flying into a worm hole boom that’s my theory
ngl I am a bit worried for donna in giggle, she's had two close calls with death in these specials so far and something tells me that's not a coincidence
I hope Harry re-reviews Heaven Sent with this level of detail, enthusiasm and heart about the music, performance and the featured character's psyche in the near future.
as a musician one of the things I’m loving a lot is that in the past two episodes Gold has used the Doctor’s Theme, Donna’s Theme, and I THINK he used Gallifrey’s theme in this one but I’m not sure if that was intentional or if it was just something he wrote that sounds like it, but he uses them in good ways and it doesnt feel like hes just bringing them back because he can
Omg yes, the Midnight vibes...like I felt the trauma everytime we didnt know which was which...this was PEAK the Doctor and Donna
I just finished re-watching the latest episode (a very amazing episode, love it so much) and I absolutely love that scene when the not-things first made their appearance to the Doctor and Donna.
At first, I thought both the not-things were trying to copy both Doctor and Donna at the same time so that they could have copies of both and interchange or something like such when needed.
But then I realised perhaps the not-things are only copying the one they picked, so when they're asking questions in their first appearance, those questions were from the minds of the real ones. It's almost like their subconscious.
In my opinion, both the dialogues were their "outputs", while the questions were what they really wanted to know and really wanted to do.
The doctor has nothing but the TARDIS, therefore he wants to know Donna's husband and wants to meet Wilf again, he wants and loves connections because he has none.
On the other hand, Donna knows what she has, and also well known that the doctor never talks about his past or basically anything about himself , his feelings etc.
Remember in one scene where the doctor mentioned minds can believe and do separate things or something like that? (sort of)
For me, the dialogues and the questions are actually sort of communicating and connecting based on that:
When Donna was babbling about her tedious past, not-thing Donna asked about Gallifrey.
When the not-thing Doctor expressed he wanted to meet Wilf and Donna's husband, the doctor masked things into a soft tone and said he's only the TARDIS left.
and when they were back in the TARDIS, Donna asked the doctor again what he had been through (that's his past and his feelings), and the doctor wanted to know if there was anyone who could understand him or if he could connect emotionally (or of course make sure that no one knew since that's very doctor).
Very beautiful writing in conclusion.
It feels like it's the Doctor who reached out to people taking them on adventures, but in fact, it's the companions reaching out to him emotionally, while the doctor still hiding inside his shell.
(Sorry for this long and chappy comment, this overanalysed thing was actually from a chat with my friend and neither of my friend and I are native English speakers please forgive me QQ )
The initial scene with the robot at the end of the hallway was absolutely terrifying, I thought through the whole scene whatever it was at the end of the hallway would immediately run to the doctor at the speed of sound
I was thinking the shape would veeeeery slowly get bigger as it turns out that despite it looking like it's slow moving, it only looks that way cause the corridor is so long.
This episode was peak Doctor Who and honestly could easily be in the middle of s4 somewhere or after Midnight ti give them both additional trauma 😂
The stars going out also happened in The Pandorica opens and Name of The Doctor
Met Nathan on the set of it’s a sin, worked as a background extra as one of his buddies, (don’t know which one I haven’t actually watched the show) he said my hair was very nice, lovely guy really cool to see him play Newton!
Finally glad to find a review that doesn't contain the words, "missed opportunity." Seems every review I've watched contains that complaint and that it's disappointing that no other Doctor appeared.
Thank god, there's someone who just enjoyed it for what it was and not for what it didn't do.
I think it's because he doesn't understand that you can hide objects in other objects like how he didn't know ties stay on the ground after letting them go.
I loved this episode, especially as someone who loves grounded absurdity it was a delight and both my bf and I felt like we were watching Saturday night entertainment as children again :)
3:04 The breathing was definately mixed way weirder in the credits than the intro from what I listened to.
The last episode i enjoyed this much was over 10 years ago 😂❤ i was smiling so hard like “THIS IS WHAT I MISSED”
( 13:09 ) I dig this.
I didn't think it sucked but I would rate it an average episode compared to the original RTD / Tennant era but that is still better than recent seasons. I have said elsewhere that I think RTD's comment that he would have done 12 episodes if Tennant and Tate were available points to my main issue with these specials. They feel like ordinary episodes that would fit really well in a longer Season but for such a short run, they feel kind of rushed and don't really allow the viewer to properly catch up with the characters and get to know them again after the passage of time. I would have loved a properly paced 12 episode build up which would finally lead to 15 coming in at the end. Would have felt more satisfying and climactic.
It took RTD 1 minute to give more depth to the flux and the timeless child and how it affected the doctor than 6 hours with chibnall
I haven’t been this entertained by Who since about 2017 and I’m so happy with this episode and you’re right. 9/10 is RIGHT.
That meme with the old 10th doctor is hilarious
Glad to hear someone give this episode a positive review. Everyone else seem like they've spent so long trashing the show, they're scared to actually admit it was a good episode.
I hated Chinballs and Jodie's Doctor Who run, and hated Capaldi's run once Bill showed up, but I loved this, and I'm hopeful.
kinda bugged me that there was no explanation/apology for the doctor taking the wrong donna, if it was an accident he should have apologised to her which he didnt, and its kinda weird that he would make that mistake. if it was on purpose....why?
They were practically the exact same, the only thing the Doctor could do was grab a random one, scan them and if it was wrong grab the other
It's interesting that they haven't addressed that the 15 years for Donna has been more than 1300 for The Doctor. I can't remember exactly the last count, but I think Tennant was 900 oldest and capaldi was well over 2000
This remindec me of the waters of mars. It genuinely made me enjoy doctor who again
When this episode wants to be great, it's absolutely phenomenal. David's monologue about nothingness in the cockpit, David and Catherine acting their chops off as both characters they're playing and the general tone of a kind of supernatural horror we've never seen before is just bone chilling. The no things are one of the best concepts the show has come up with, the way they don’t just look like you but become you the more you think as you do, which you obviously can’t help. That stuff is up there with Midnight, The Impossible Planet, Forest of the Dead and Waters of Mars for me. And Wilf's cameo... what more needs to be said? 🥹
But unfortunately this episode also has a lot of stuff weighing it down, chief among them for me is the tonal whiplash from the "mavity" subplot. It's dumb, it's cringe and it doesn't fit this episode’s theme or tone at all. (And the less said about the unnecessary race swap the better.) But more importantly, I also found the CGI to be incredibly distracting. Even when it was good, it wasn't fitting. I can appreciate the talent involved in some places but at the same time, I did find the plasticky nature of the no things to be off putting. And not in a good way, in a "I'm watching a TV show with bad effects" kind of way. I just don't think this angle could work, maybe if the no things had been gaseous beings like the Gelth it would have worked better and the shifting walls was the old captain's attempt to cut them off from each other as they can't pass through the walls, and emphasised that they literally do not understand physical matter as they are not physical beings. But as it stands, those scenes took me out of an episode I was otherwise very much invested in. Realising that Doctor and Donna weren't speaking to each other was one of the most terrifying feelings I've had watching something in a long time by contrast.
Overall, a huge improvement in writing, tone and story from Star Beast but for one of the last times we're going to see David as the Doctor? In spite of this episode's strengths, it's still hugely disappointing as a special of the show.
The race swap isn't problematic in any way.
@@TiredMoonRabbit No, it’s not “problematic,” it’s just stupid. 😂
@@Longshanks1690 and why is it stupid? This is a fictional story with real world elements, changing his race in a TV show isn't going to change real world history, they chose an actor to play the role that actor just happened to not be white, it's fine, your not mad at the hit musical Hamilton for having a poc cast play white people are you? Then why be here.
@Longshanks1690 why is it stupid lol. Actors practically never look like the historical figures they are acting as
Yeah, this is easily the best episode of this mini series. It actually felt like Doctor Who, and the horror elements were amazing
My God! Someone else noticed the breathing sound in the title theme - once I spotted it, that's all I could hear. Like something out of an Edgar Allen Poe story...
I mostly agree with you, except I thought the Isaac Newton scene was terrible, and I dislike the Timeless Child stuff a great deal. But it's fun to disagree and argue. :)
Salt: Maybe Not Doctor has only cloned what he can see.
9:08 I thought the exact same thing until Donna repeated that her arms were too long too.
This special actually made me jump!! I’m so happy harry liked this
Im surprised others werent immediately aware it wasnt them coming into each others rooms. I thought it was obvious just due to the fact that the doctor walks in unannounced and the camera has no focus on him at all and we never saw him finish in the other room. I just said "thats not him is it" and then it showed him in the other room to confirm that
I do think the first 2 hold up so much better than the last one but i really like this trilogy, its so easy to watch and fun, and neatly packed, i would say it is clear, the more times you watch that Tennant is on an i need to get some recovery arc but it may have benefitted from more hints towards both that direction and the technological developments.
Great review. The only other thing I would have liked to hear you comment on was the doctor picking a Donna to take in the tardis. I've seen some people say that he could have just taken both of them until he could figure out which one is the real one and since then I haven't thought of a good reason for him to pick only one myself.
it was good, but i felt like it was just an added to version of Midnight, it was pretty much the same storyline, just explaining the monster this time. also pretty sure the doctor has been the edge/end of the universe before more than once in new who
At first I was worried it was just nostalgia goggles I'm glad someone else liked it too
The mention of the timeless child is rather what took me out of the experience, if I'm honest. It's still a terrible idea that hasn't been given any weight beyond another thing for the Doctor to lament, and yes, this is the first time in the show it's honestly made to matter in real time as opposed to the potential of what it means to the character. Still hate the idea.
Otherwise, I thought it was an ok episode, with definite shades of Midnight. However, none of this answers any of the questions presented with Tennant's return, and they have only one more special for that be made clear. Mildly disappointed with this one, as opposed to how annoyed the Star Beast left me. Cribbins coming in at the end made me very happy though.
This was the a really good "weird" Episode of Doctor Who imo.
It had a lot of Sunshine, Alien, The Thing or Event Horizon vibes.
The back and forth between the real and doppelgangers of the Doctor and Donna were brilliantly done.
Though they were indeed goofy, I thought the VFX on the doppelgangers was quite creepy.
I got up and clapped when he gave his rating.
Ugh THIS is why I love your videos man, I saw screaming when I saw this episode, I mean the dudes right hitch hikers guide, its a spin on my favorite episode midnight, THE STARS ARE GOING OUT, the timeless child!! I mean it made me wanna rewatch and thats saying A LOT, and of course Wilf, absolute 10/10 video I was so happy watching it waiting to hear you review a good video FINALLY
The Milford academy has taught you well
I love that we're finally back to a simple proven Who formula with solid writing. Doctor and companion get stranded, this time without a screwdriver, so it's up to the two to be clever and fast so they can solve the problem and escape. David and Lauren just get to kill it with their acting chemistry, and the writing has the right kind of build up to its reveals that it makes this episode just fun to watch!
couldn’t wait for ur review man, been watching you since the Christopher eccelston reviews. haven’t seen u this excited about an episode since the empty child i think ahahah
That one scene with the mention of the flux and TTC proved what I thought this whole time, Jodie deserved RTD level writing
I absolutely enjoyed this episode. I’m not watching the final episode of the anniversary specials for a little while. I don’t want to see Tennant’s run come to an end again. I’m not ready to say goodbye to him at all. I’m just going to enjoy denial as long as I can. Lol
This episode was amazing
In a single scene, David managed to show more emotion than Jodie did in her entire era.
Nah Jodie is a solid actress who was hampered by a terrible showrunner
Do you have to big up one actor to bring down another? That is disrespectful to both Tennant and Jodie who are BOTH talented and are very good friends.
The only thing I didn't like was the Doctor not saying sorry to Donna after nearly letting her die
Yes! I thought an apology was deserved there.
The biggest problem with him leaving Donna behind is that it was completely pointless from a narrative standpoint. He chooses the wrong Donna, then immediately kicks her out without any payoff. It didn't feel like the scene earned its right to exist.
@@stevedavidson5038 That's a good point. And even later, it doesn't seem to cause any conflict between the pair. You'd think this might leave a bit of a mark on their friendship but it does not. So there wasn't much of a point to it, really.
@@rkah6187 And also considering the fact he had both a scanner to detect which Donna was real and a button that could eject her out of the Tardis, why did he only let one of them in? Surely he could have taken both Donna's in the Tardis, scan both of them and eject the copy.
It's such a shame because the moment Donna got left behind was absolutely horrifying but I just hate the fact it was instantly resolved with a Tardis scanner, not satisfying at all.
Fabulous review. Thank you so much. 😊😊
Always the best reviews
What about one for the giggle?
15:40 I didnt notice this
You should use stills in your video of the scene you are referring to.
When the doctor says that the TARDIS brought them their I don't think he meant that as her doing it on purpose just that it happened coincidentally at that time
I loved this episode. Neil Patrick Harris is a great actor and I can't wait to see him as the Toymaker.
The only let down for me was the tardis just showing up because the monster failing. Just because it made the doctors presence useless as he didn’t do anything to stop them and if he wasn’t there the story would happen the same way
Happy to see some positive reception for a genuinely great story. People's political fury overshadows which is essentially an instant classic for me. It's a slightly different flavour 'Midnight' mixed with the 'Evil Dead' and 'The Thing'.
Absolutely love what Russel's doing with the Timeless Child. As someone who hated the idea, seeing a writer say 'alright then, let's show the emotional consequences of Flux and Timeless Child' suddenly makes them a lot better. I've got a feeling that the fan reception for The Time War and the Doctor being the last of the Timelords was very controversial at the time, but since RTD can do emotions so well, I'm sure nobody cared.
Find it funny they kept saying “15 years” since it’s been over 2,000 years for the Doctor 😂
It was the most fun I’d had with who in a long while. I wasn’t watching the show out of principle a lot of the time but I really enjoyed this one.
I'm still unsure about this episode after my second watch (probably needs a third viewing)
Some bits that didn't sit well with me were the usual vampire teeth and rabid animal noises that appear so often in Doctor Who once the bad guys are revealed - I wish they'd stop it.
I didn't like the opening scene, it felt very jarring in pace/tone compared to the rest of the episode however, I think the mavity of the situation may be something a lot more than just a joke.
Equally (but for different reasons) the final scene was clearly heavily edited, as if a couple of parts were taken out and it's such a pity Bernard wasn't able to return to filming as the end comes very abruptly. But maybe this was just because he appeared so suddenly that I couldn't help but just cry for about the next half hour.
So I'm not certain how much my opinion is swayed by sentimentality - also, on re-watch, outside of the 3 character's conversation, if you watch the background people, it all seems a bit odd as if there's a scene missing.
Overall 7.5/10 but it would have been a 6/10 without the scene with Wilf at the end - I just wish we'd had more of him including a trip in the Tardis.
Rest in peace mate and thank you for always making me smile and cry at the same time x
It’s very odd to see him so happy at a doctor who episode after so long ahah
If you'd asked me before this episode whether or not I'd want them to honour the Timeless Child stuff, I would've said "no". However, Tennant actually lends weight to the whole thing and makes me want to see where it's going.
There is no such thing as bad plot points just poor execution.
@kingkaza There is one possibility: The child who winds up coming out of the wormhole is actually a FUTURE Doctor who regressed to a child due to some danger, just like The Master did before he became Professor Yana.
It was fine. I'm not really impressed yet but the giggle looks ace and Christmas looks fun
The long shots down the corridor showed Tennant with his hands swinging by his side, the side on shots, they were in his pockets. Bad continuity or the doppelgänger creatures ??????
18:48 What happened?
Episode gave me CGI level of the Forest of the Dead. But with less real sets. Kinda scuffed, especially for anniversary. And I'm usually not a person to care about the quality of it. Everything else - really good.
2:30 I hope they don't keep it for next 15 seasons tbh. Awful name for gravity, not gonna lie.
Missed opportunity for the Blue Yonder not to make a great simpsons reference
"Huh Issac Newton," - Tenth Doctor
"I'm not actually Sir Issac Newton I'm just assuming his form,"
I liked this one a lot more than Star Beast. Some issues, particularly with internal logic, but it was a lot of fun. I have to say, I'm also quite surprised and keen that they ACTUALLY deal with some fallout and emotional follow-up to the Flux and Timeless Children. It was brief but it only highlights how... "nothing" series 13 was.
This episode was great but I am discombobulated by the fact that they weren't saving the day. When we realize the Captain had already saved the day, I was wondering what the heck Donna and Doctor were doing there.
Favourite episode since Capaldis last series... Maybe even heaven sent.
Agreed, finally we're back to some kind of normal.
@@SolemnStag"some kind of normal" whats that supposed to mean?
I feel like the captain could have killed herself by blowing up the ship, but I guess the doppelgangers may have stopped her? Idk
I think Jimbo could only blow it up so she set Jimbo to walk towards the self destruction button slowly so the doppelgangers don't realize then used the airlock to sacrifice themselves and let Jimbo do the work 3 years later
@@bradDark6941 Mmm nothing to imply that only Jimbo could though 🤷♂️
I think they were suggesting that if the Captain stayed on board the Not Things would have completed their copying of her and would have twigged her plan before she could blow up the ship, so she set it in motion very slowly and with a non organic robot that couldn't be replicated or thoughts stolen before sacrificing herself to keep the plan a secret.
What's with the background music at 5:42. Are you reviewing Doctor Who episodes or cows? Jokes aside, nice review