was in the ditch for 6 years then they told me i was finally gona get put in equipment. laid me off and never called me back times are scary for sewer and water where i live hope there is lots of work to keep you guys going!
I hate safety babies but dam dude. Putting boulders on top of the pile while your trench box dirt level so high on the side. Ladder so high too. Rookie
We do pretty much same sort of work in Australia.I operate a 50 tonne digger no one allowed to come close to the digger while its moving for safety reasons.
Must be deeper than it looks because it looks like they have plenty of room to lay that open at a 1to1 Slope and then they would have to work in that shield
if I put it on the stand. once I put my target in. pipe once I get it on grade. I just move the laser down till it hits. bullseye. then. put it in the other end of the pie and it hits bullseye
I like the remote control compactor back there. That's made by Bomag, correct? . . . . . . So here's a dumb question for you: Why not get the pipe pushed up closer to the excavator, so you don't have to lose time walking it? Just sayin'.
+jimmy53436 Wow, good eye. The head of the bolt that holds the bucket pin in place broke off but the other end can't go anywhere because it's up against the bucket. So it's not perfect, but not to bad either.
Carlos Gamez lol on a wet ass job right now trying to lay 72" pipe. Mud coming in from everywhere. I set rock for the box and water and mud just take over bro
They came with the wrong gaskets, so we just cemented them instead. It would've taken to long to get the right gaskets because they were a custom order.
If you're using a regular rod, shoot the benchmark (point of known elevation). Figure out your H.I. (height of instrument). Measure the length of your pipe run, and find out how long each pipe is.Then find your starting, and ending invert elevation, and figure out the difference in elevation. Take that number, and divide it by the number of pipes in your run, and that will tell you how much each pipe will have to come up. Set the target for the different elevation for each pipe , and start digging.
+Kenneth Wheeler If you mean a pipe laser, you can put it on some blocks, or on the pipe itself. Just be careful if it's in a pipe not to bump it. That will cause it to be off.
Rise over run=grade% type in the percentage (+ x.xx) if your starting at lowest going uphill. Set laser on blocks and index it on bottom of the inlet, so if it gets bumped you know it happend. Set the target in the first pipe mark it with marker in case it slides accidentally. Mark the measurement on the flat shovel with a keel to grade the stone. Add thickness of pipe to the target height=stone grade. Rinse and repeat.
@@pkrshma your right the Irish people have built a lot of big cities but not with 2 or 3 guys. I'm Irish and your comment was pure crap about 2 or 3 guy job. Just saying
Whatching all these pipe installations nobody use a pipe laser makes no sense much easier Also did not see a rubber on spigot end of pipe if so it had to be dirty with sand . trench box is for safetey not to stand outside of it. They guy in the ditch doing nothin should not stand along side of pipe when relifting to bell home. That pipe could swing an pin that man
@@712Menzies Civil is tough, figuring out how to get six union men all leaning on one shovel without hurting themselves. At least they all are able to figure out Friday is payday.
@@deconteesawyer5758 I would love for you to come to my union company and try lean on a shovel. My guys work faster and smarter and safely and will out work all the none unions companies around them. The only thing that changes any of that is the price for skilled labor. Builders are so happy when we are available and alway say union guys are the best. Dont hate because your willing to work for less.
do not upload videos where you do not do the work as it is, since the box should be two feet from below and also there you see people accommodating the earth without the box and they are not supposed to do it, once you move the box no one should get into the pot anymore. I say this because I operate a similar machine and do the same.
This is stupidly dangerous: those fellows taking shelter in the concrete pipe would be smashed into a bloody mess if the rock would fall out of the excavator's shovel. This is when I'd stop the job. And no hard hats in 2014. Take notice, Narragansett Improvement Company, in Rhode Island.
George Barlet Hello George. I disagree with your opinion, and here's why. The guys in the pipe where about 15' back from the area being excavated. At no time was anything remotely close to going over the top of them, or the pipe the were in. Also, those pipes weighed 10,000#s each. The reinforced concrete pipe walls were approximately 6" thick. Not easily breakable. They were down there because we were just about down to grade, so they needed to check the grade, and fine tune it by hand. As far as the hardhats go, you're right, some guys didn't have their hardhats on. What you're not seeing or feeling from your side of the computer screen is that it was raining and just above freezing temperatures. Needless to say, it was pretty shitty out, so cut them a little slack for wanting to keep their heads warm. Beside being right under the excavator, which nobody was, there were no overhead hazards. So I'll tell you like I tell some other people who fancy themselves as safety Czars. Put up some videos of your jobs and lets see if every aspect is free of any and all faults. I am willing to bet you can't.
I understand your opinion, but you are confusing pipe weight with resistance to impact: the fact that the pipes are 10,00 pounds does not mean a thing. 6" thickness of concrete will not resist impact from a 5,000 pounds falling from 5 feet. Moreover that concrete pipe has a manufacturer's warranty of 4-5,000 psi when surrounded by material such as bedding and haunching. If the very large rock from the begnning of the video fell, the may not get completely crushed but would transfer enough kinetic energy to kill someone without protection. As for missing the hard hat, cold weather will not protect the fellow missing the hardhat. I'd advise consulting your local OSHA inspector if you think I'm wrong. According to the trench box you were using and taking in consideration the approximate intrusion of the pipe in the trench box, the size of your shovel, the distance between the fellows in the pipe and the shovel with the rock is 5' or less. That is dangerous! As for putting up videos of my job, I'd rather not: too much work chasing all workers and getting disclosure signatures. Take care
George Barlet Hello again George. My point about the pipe weight was to say it was stout, not indestructible. I've demoed this size pipe with a 36 ton excavator. It is not as easy as you think. Regardless, the boulders never came anywhere near going over the pipe. FYI the box is 22' long, the pipe was sticking in about 5' into the box, and where I was booming up out of the box was about 5' in from my side of the box, so they were about 12' back. So unless the boulders were to roll backwards out of the bucket, and somehow miss the dipper stick. They would have to travel a minimum of 12' horizontally through the air without dropping vertically until they manage to arrive over the pipe, and then drop on the pipe. Also, I agree with you about the no hardhat thing. I just cut them a little slack because of the shitty wet and cold weather. Normally everyone is good about that, but honestly is this particular case I can think of worse things other than that. You sound like you've had training, and experience in the field. So you must understand that videos are interesting and fun to watch, but don't always show the context of the situation. I've also had hundreds of hours of safety training, thousands of hours of operator training, tens of thousands of hours of seat time, and have a good working relationship with my local OSHA inspectors, due to joint training that our local OSHA has done with our union training facility. We always try to be within OSHA regs, and we have a stellar safety record, but sometimes you just have to do the best you can, as long as there is no immanent danger (according to OSHA CFR and common sense, not some general duty clause "opinion"). Reasonable OSHA inspectors understand that and suggest improvements instead of slapping you with an instant fine. Good day Sir.
The pipe company couldn't get us the pipes fast enough. So I guess we weren't that slow. You should through up a video of your work so I can see how it's done.
Let stand in front of the pipe while I dig out these big rocks that's what's wrong ladders not where it should be shield is too far up no more then 18 inches sub grade no protection in back of shield that's what's wrong.
digger dan Hi digger dan. So what you're saying is the laborers have to get out for every pipe? That's not very productive. I'm pulling the rocks away from them, but lets say one does roll back and block the pipe. If for some reason they couldn't wait for me to pull it out, they could walk the 50' or so back to the manhole. The backfill on the backside of the box is sloped down, so that's ok. The box can be up to 2' off the bottom, not 18" like you said. Although the box is around 3' off the bottom, that's the only place we were out of compliance. The conditions were such that it was still safe even though it wasn't exactly to OSHA spec. Thanks for your opinion, but don't be so angry. Sheesh... Everything else was by the book. Ladder was within 25', and stuck out beyond the box 3'. The top of the box was up 18" from the top of the cut. It was fine.
diggerman57 the two laborers in this whole are fucking idiots. Aside from not having a hard hat, something that only a fucking Idiot would forget when he goes into the hole, they’re standing between a concrete pipe and a fucking bucket. Just plain stupid. Never mind the fact that their jumping through pipe while it’s moving. That shield is plentyy big enough for them to stand off to the side, or even on top of it. It doesn’t slow production if they aren’t complete fucking idiots, they should be able to see when his subgrade is ready to be checked, and when they are ready for rock. I’m not sure how long you boys been doing this, but if yo stay in long enough you’ll see things like a rock caught in the bucket assembly, and fall and hit someone in the head with no hard hat, or an operator who may be he best in town, make a small accident and smash his bucket against the pipe or shield wall with a man in between because they were standing in the wrong spot. Practice good habits. You can have production and be safe. My crew is safer than this bunch of fucking cowboys, and I promise we would destroy you any day of the week in production.
ThaRealGamerR one day you’ll be wishing you had a foreman like him when you’re hurt for not enforcing simple fucking rules. Like ladder proximity, wearing a hard hat, and not being a dumbass in the hole.
justin Kassel Sorry it took me so long to reply. It's too bad you have so much negative stuff to say, but hey you know what they say about opinions... So just so I can better myself, could you throw up a video of your crew so I can see how it's done. 😒
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I love how that guy walks through the pipe while it's still in the air.
Great video! That looked like some rough digging with all that rock...
@7.08 “I ain’t digging any more until you pay me!” 😂
Love the baby remote control sheep.
was in the ditch for 6 years then they told me i was finally gona get put in equipment. laid me off and never called me back times are scary for sewer and water where i live hope there is lots of work to keep you guys going!
I was in ditch for about 5 years and I finally just started running loader and crawler loader
in our country, the box has to be 2ft above the cut, max. In order to prevent cave ins from underneath
nice job a true pro at work
excavator fun Thank you
This is where the money is lol In the next five years I plan on having enough equipment and people to be doing this type of work
So how did it go buddy? 😊
Any update?
Any updates bro?
looks good. . Nice work
Thanks Kasper
I hate safety babies but dam dude. Putting boulders on top of the pile while your trench box dirt level so high on the side. Ladder so high too. Rookie
Damn bill you digging deep aint ya? Thats your new nickname,ole big bucket bill!😂🤘 Carry on boyz!!
Very cool job man ;-)
no pharnther im a operator to so i was very impressed how safe you guys work, im from local 150 operating engineers union of Illinois, god bless.
Jesus Vera Thanks for the compliment brother. IUOE local 57 Rhode Island.
IUOE Local 103 Indiana we do a lot of interstate road work. I'd love to get some seat time laying pipe though. Looks like your doing a great job.
Nice crew!" Local 150 Illinois Dist1
local 150 district 2 here
We do pretty much same sort of work in Australia.I operate a 50 tonne digger no one allowed to come close to the digger while its moving for safety reasons.
The pipe in the lower bottom under contract is ok ?
no pipe lifting cable with a cup?? and where is this? that pipe should be hooked and ready to go in the hole once the trench is done. right now.
thumbs up brother.
Must be deeper than it looks because it looks like they have plenty of room to lay that open at a 1to1 Slope and then they would have to work in that shield
if I put it on the stand. once I put my target in. pipe once I get it on grade. I just move the laser down till it hits. bullseye. then. put it in the other end of the pie and it hits bullseye
What kind of bedding is that ?
I like the remote control compactor back there. That's made by Bomag, correct? . . . . . . So here's a dumb question for you: Why not get the pipe pushed up closer to the excavator, so you don't have to lose time walking it? Just sayin'.
Good video!
great video thanks for sharing
Thanks bones316jlc. Glad you liked it.
I'm gonna have some more good videos to put up soon.
+diggerman57 No safety pin for that bucket, tut-tut :)
+jimmy53436 Wow, good eye. The head of the bolt that holds the bucket pin in place broke off but the other end can't go anywhere because it's up against the bucket. So it's not perfect, but not to bad either.
Ye, worked 360s for ten years until the big bang, climbing back into the saddle in the new year. I kinda missed it, kinda.
Get a pipe laser and steel cable with a bar And why does the foreman always gotta park his truck in the way of the operation. Never fails.
Hell yeah....
i wish it was that dry in florida, you dig down two feet and you get the ocean
Carlos Gamez Yeah that's a pain in the ass.
diggerman57 but i definitely dont envy the rock
Carlos Gamez we have rock here in Florida also dig around Ft. Myers Naples area. Harsh stuff I have a couple videos on my channel.
Carlos Gamez lol on a wet ass job right now trying to lay 72" pipe. Mud coming in from everywhere. I set rock for the box and water and mud just take over bro
No gasket or pipe soap?
right. where the hell is his. LOL.
60” internal diameter?
Alright!
damn I miss the days of doing big pipe work like that. looks like you guys are a great crew.! what company?
Thanks Kyle.It's called Narragansett Improvement Company, out of Providence, RI.
Kyle Riegle ew
Kyle Riegle v
What is the name of that cage the men are in to protect the ground from falling in
Trench box
Here we go again all the experts should have could have 😂😂😂😂😂just enjoy the video
To slow pipe lazor and gravel box and keep your pipe close
Wow that is some really crappy soil there working in, looks like all boulders
no gaskets on that pipe?
They came with the wrong gaskets, so we just cemented them instead. It would've taken to long to get the right gaskets because they were a custom order.
Grouting them takes longer
Nate Hartey when it’s time to demo good luck lol
That's covered by the tail-light warranty.
How do I set up. A. Laser to start setting pipe
If you're using a regular rod, shoot the benchmark (point of known elevation). Figure out your H.I. (height of instrument). Measure the length of your pipe run, and find out how long each pipe is.Then find your starting, and ending invert elevation, and figure out the difference in elevation. Take that number, and divide it by the number of pipes in your run, and that will tell you how much each pipe will have to come up. Set the target for the different elevation for each pipe , and start digging.
I'm. Talking about. Putting. Laser in. A. Stand in manhole. What do I set it on
+Kenneth Wheeler
If you mean a pipe laser, you can put it on some blocks, or on the pipe itself. Just be careful if it's in a pipe not to bump it. That will cause it to be off.
Rise over run=grade% type in the percentage (+ x.xx) if your starting at lowest going uphill. Set laser on blocks and index it on bottom of the inlet, so if it gets bumped you know it happend.
Set the target in the first pipe mark it with marker in case it slides accidentally. Mark the measurement on the flat shovel with a keel to grade the stone. Add thickness of pipe to the target height=stone grade. Rinse and repeat.
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In Ireland that a 2 man job, I seen 5 or 6 geezers walking about there, but there u have it!
Not a sprinkler line here this is underground and no less then four to five guys to do it right
@@timothygrell4398 if u say so
@@pkrshma thank you for agreeing. You Irish are smart people, I must say.
@@timothygrell4398 considering we Irish built most of the major cities in the world, I'd say yea pretty smart....
@@pkrshma your right the Irish people have built a lot of big cities but not with 2 or 3 guys. I'm Irish and your comment was pure crap about 2 or 3 guy job. Just saying
Man I’m working in the wrong province don’t come to Ontario lol
Whatching all these pipe installations nobody use a pipe laser makes no sense much easier Also did not see a rubber on spigot end of pipe if so it had to be dirty with sand . trench box is for safetey not to stand outside of it. They guy in the ditch doing nothin should not stand along side of pipe when relifting to bell home. That pipe could swing an pin that man
I did this for 46 years!, always used a "donkey dick" on pipe that size!. Good job buddy!.
more than 2' from the bottom of the trench, thaaaats a violation
that letsdig18 dude needs to watch this video and learn something
Joe Levy are you kidding?
Chris works twice as fast, is more smooth and comments on what he is doing so viewers understand.
Joe Levy- what kind of fucking drugs are you on Letsdig 18 is great at what he does. I bet your ass could not do as good as chris
Letsdig18 is a forest operator, you can operate fast in forest and landscaping , civil earthmoving is more complicated and more to think about
@@712Menzies Civil is tough, figuring out how to get six union men all leaning on one shovel without hurting themselves. At least they all are able to figure out Friday is payday.
@@deconteesawyer5758 I would love for you to come to my union company and try lean on a shovel. My guys work faster and smarter and safely and will out work all the none unions companies around them. The only thing that changes any of that is the price for skilled labor. Builders are so happy when we are available and alway say union guys are the best. Dont hate because your willing to work for less.
Box 4’ off bottom and half buckets. Also top of box is illegal. Great job.
Y'all don't believe in cage dragging?
Yes, we do pull the box along.
Wohrk vor shit omg
Hacks
i never said they were doing anything unsafe, total opposite they very safe.
Jesus Vera Sorry. I miss understood you. But, I'm always up for constructive criticism. That's why I asked.
do not upload videos where you do not do the work as it is, since the box should be two feet from below and also there you see people accommodating the earth without the box and they are not supposed to do it, once you move the box no one should get into the pot anymore. I say this because I operate a similar machine and do the same.
What a slow old dinosaur.
diggerman57
So many safety rules broken in this video!!!
actually not they are very safe and that's what matters.
Jesus Vera What Part do you think is unsafe?
Hello. I am from Algeria and I have a driver's license and experience of 5 years. How to reach this company and thanks
WH&S
Thats a accident waiting to happen. Digging a trench in a trench box with employees in it. Zero slope to the trench box smh
Not a single hard hat in sight
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This is stupidly dangerous: those fellows taking shelter in the concrete pipe would be smashed into a bloody mess if the rock would fall out of the excavator's shovel. This is when I'd stop the job. And no hard hats in 2014.
Take notice, Narragansett Improvement Company, in Rhode Island.
George Barlet Hello George. I disagree with your opinion, and here's why. The guys in the pipe where about 15' back from the area being excavated. At no time was anything remotely close to going over the top of them, or the pipe the were in. Also, those pipes weighed 10,000#s each. The reinforced concrete pipe walls were approximately 6" thick. Not easily breakable. They were down there because we were just about down to grade, so they needed to check the grade, and fine tune it by hand. As far as the hardhats go, you're right, some guys didn't have their hardhats on. What you're not seeing or feeling from your side of the computer screen is that it was raining and just above freezing temperatures. Needless to say, it was pretty shitty out, so cut them a little slack for wanting to keep their heads warm. Beside being right under the excavator, which nobody was, there were no overhead hazards. So I'll tell you like I tell some other people who fancy themselves as safety Czars. Put up some videos of your jobs and lets see if every aspect is free of any and all faults. I am willing to bet you can't.
I understand your opinion, but you are confusing pipe weight with resistance to impact: the fact that the pipes are 10,00 pounds does not mean a thing. 6" thickness of concrete will not resist impact from a 5,000 pounds falling from 5 feet. Moreover that concrete pipe has a manufacturer's warranty of 4-5,000 psi when surrounded by material such as bedding and haunching. If the very large rock from the begnning of the video fell, the may not get completely crushed but would transfer enough kinetic energy to kill someone without protection. As for missing the hard hat, cold weather will not protect the fellow missing the hardhat. I'd advise consulting your local OSHA inspector if you think I'm wrong. According to the trench box you were using and taking in consideration the approximate intrusion of the pipe in the trench box, the size of your shovel, the distance between the fellows in the pipe and the shovel with the rock is 5' or less. That is dangerous!
As for putting up videos of my job, I'd rather not: too much work chasing all workers and getting disclosure signatures.
Take care
George Barlet Hello again George. My point about the pipe weight was to say it was stout, not indestructible. I've demoed this size pipe with a 36 ton excavator. It is not as easy as you think. Regardless, the boulders never came anywhere near going over the pipe. FYI the box is 22' long, the pipe was sticking in about 5' into the box, and where I was booming up out of the box was about 5' in from my side of the box, so they were about 12' back. So unless the boulders were to roll backwards out of the bucket, and somehow miss the dipper stick. They would have to travel a minimum of 12' horizontally through the air without dropping vertically until they manage to arrive over the pipe, and then drop on the pipe.
Also, I agree with you about the no hardhat thing. I just cut them a little slack because of the shitty wet and cold weather. Normally everyone is good about that, but honestly is this particular case I can think of worse things other than that.
You sound like you've had training, and experience in the field. So you must understand that videos are interesting and fun to watch, but don't always show the context of the situation. I've also had hundreds of hours of safety training, thousands of hours of operator training, tens of thousands of hours of seat time, and have a good working relationship with my local OSHA inspectors, due to joint training that our local OSHA has done with our union training facility. We always try to be within OSHA regs, and we have a stellar safety record, but sometimes you just have to do the best you can, as long as there is no immanent danger (according to OSHA CFR and common sense, not some general duty clause "opinion"). Reasonable OSHA inspectors understand that and suggest improvements instead of slapping you with an instant fine. Good day Sir.
you guys are slow man a lot of wasted time we woulda been three joints ahead of you
The pipe company couldn't get us the pipes fast enough. So I guess we weren't that slow.
You should through up a video of your work so I can see how it's done.
in ground that Rocky you could work 3 times faster than them well shit please post video we all would like to learn
alexandria bogart don’t be some little fucking bitch. Talking shit and having nothing to prove that you’re worth a damn thing.
alexandria bogart lol your funny dude
I doubt that but I bet you make a mean sandwich though.
Thats union for you , very slow and to many guys standing around
You guys not that deep
Let stand in front of the pipe while I dig out these big rocks that's what's wrong ladders not where it should be shield is too far up no more then 18 inches sub grade no protection in back of shield that's what's wrong.
digger dan Hi digger dan. So what you're saying is the laborers have to get out for every pipe? That's not very productive. I'm pulling the rocks away from them, but lets say one does roll back and block the pipe. If for some reason they couldn't wait for me to pull it out, they could walk the 50' or so back to the manhole. The backfill on the backside of the box is sloped down, so that's ok. The box can be up to 2' off the bottom, not 18" like you said. Although the box is around 3' off the bottom, that's the only place we were out of compliance. The conditions were such that it was still safe even though it wasn't exactly to OSHA spec. Thanks for your opinion, but don't be so angry. Sheesh... Everything else was by the book. Ladder was within 25', and stuck out beyond the box 3'. The top of the box was up 18" from the top of the cut. It was fine.
digger dan you must be fun to work with.
diggerman57 the two laborers in this whole are fucking idiots. Aside from not having a hard hat, something that only a fucking Idiot would forget when he goes into the hole, they’re standing between a concrete pipe and a fucking bucket. Just plain stupid. Never mind the fact that their jumping through pipe while it’s moving.
That shield is plentyy big enough for them to stand off to the side, or even on top of it. It doesn’t slow production if they aren’t complete fucking idiots, they should be able to see when his subgrade is ready to be checked, and when they are ready for rock. I’m not sure how long you boys been doing this, but if yo stay in long enough you’ll see things like a rock caught in the bucket assembly, and fall and hit someone in the head with no hard hat, or an operator who may be he best in town, make a small accident and smash his bucket against the pipe or shield wall with a man in between because they were standing in the wrong spot.
Practice good habits. You can have production and be safe. My crew is safer than this bunch of fucking cowboys, and I promise we would destroy you any day of the week in production.
ThaRealGamerR one day you’ll be wishing you had a foreman like him when you’re hurt for not enforcing simple fucking rules. Like ladder proximity, wearing a hard hat, and not being a dumbass in the hole.
justin Kassel Sorry it took me so long to reply. It's too bad you have so much negative stuff to say, but hey you know what they say about opinions...
So just so I can better myself, could you throw up a video of your crew so I can see how it's done. 😒
Get out of that pipe...