Really enjoying the series Peter , it’s so refreshing to have an a knowledgeable person like yourself explain what makes a cat stable or not in terms that the average guy can understand, thanks. Also really glad to hear that there is a possibility of Lisa coming back ,you and her are in my opinion are the perfect match and she is a great asset to the channel, fingers crossed
I really enjoy these knowledge talks. I'm actually learning a lot and have already changed my mind on the yacht I want to get based on the knowledge you've shared.
Don't place too much emphasis on what was said in this video. When he doesn't even mention the weight factor in the Stability curve it's obvious he's no expert. Watch the Ruby Rose video on Stability for an actual experts take on capsize likelihood. A performance cat like the Mumby is much less stable than a Lagoon or Fontaine pajot for example.
@@laurapitre5797 Even the screen cap for that Ruby Rose video shows a skinny hulled cat flipped on its side... I can flip a Hobie Cat over myself. It'd take the entire nation of Tonga to flip over a Lagoon/FP/Leopard. Be real. In a serious storm, everything is going to capsize, and no design considerations are going to affect that.
When you were talking about reading the weather in previous episodes, I actually understood the logic. You are an incredible teacher. Just spent the last 2 hours checking out Mumby cats. Amazing boats. Good on ya…
G'day from Brisbane, long time viewer and enjoyer and now a kickstarter, mate. Good to hear an AUS accent . Understand all the nuances of "our" language.
I sailed mono for 12 years, never thought of a cat the way you explain the goods and minus. But I learned something today from your methods. thx Peter ~
That’s awesome to hear from Lisa, and yes, would be super awesome for her to be involved with the build. Go Plukky and hopefully we see you come on down soon Lisa. 👍🙂👏👏👏😍😍😎
Great series Peter and bloody good to see Lisa back. What a team, to have the two of you on a Mumby. That's worth being part of the Kickstarter program.
Thanks for this, makes me feel better. I have ordered a Seawind 1370 and I calculated the BCL/WLL = 41.3% and I regularly crew on Seawind 1260 and it has BCL/WLL = 43.2%. These boats also have a very low boom. Good all round 🙂
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM I agree, it is a very heavy boat for its length. Based on your previous video I suspect you also don’t like the big opening between the cockpit and saloon?
Had the 'pleasure' of crewing on an Outremer 55 Light on an ocean passage. Total fkn rocketship mate. Exited the barrier reef doing 15 knots under full rig into the ocean swell, withing 30 minutes we had the boat completely airborne 3 times, big crash as it hit the water again. It took a couple of reefs in the main and rolled up a good portion of the jib to slow it down to less than 8 knots in order to get it to stay in the water. The repeated slapping of the bridge deck still interrupted our sleep. We nicknamed this boat the vomit comet, even the hardiest of crew who had never been seasick in their lives were chundering over the side.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM The wind was around 60 degrees on the starboard side and the largest swell was also coming from the same direction. There was also a smaller swell coming in just off the port side. It was when the swells coincided at the right time was when the boat got airborne. The owner had the boat for 5 years and never been offshore and neither had we, although we had a bit more sailing experience than he did mostly sailing dinghies and trailer sailer's. I quizzed him about the lifting off and asked if this was the way he normally sailed the boat, and whether he thought the boat would still be in one piece by the time we got to the Solomon islands (from Cairns). He looked at me and said, I don't think so, lets slow it down.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM The right question. The La Vagabonde Outremer has clocked speeds of up to 20 knots (!) and although it freaked Elayna out, it certainly didn't get "airborne".
Important stuff, weight, hull shape, rig height and type. Wharram has done more research on this topic than many other designers. He spells it out very clearly. Thanks for the content.
Don't need no math to know that the cat I chartered in South Fla years ago was a pig! A real wallowing sow! I've owned monohulls from 22 to 45 feet, once sailed my first boat a 10 foot catyak, in an Easter "blessing of the fleet" event in St. Aug. LOL. I'm unfortunately too old now but I will enjoy seeing you on your Mumby if I last that long! HURRY UP will you? Love you man!
Hey there Mr plunky guy, you're at it again doing this and that and a bunch of stuff. Tons of info there about catamarans and such and I can't back up my mind if you don't mind. I Miss Lisa, she's the best of them all and they've all been good. Well there's a rainstorm outside right now in the middle of the night so I'm going to go check it out. Thanks much you impressive young f e l l o w and catch you next time and I'm not kidding, bye
Great video Peter. While I can't afford a cat, your teaching style is first rate. Nothing but quality people... 👍😎. I've almost watched your entire library of videos. The "raw goodness" you provide...keep it coming Sir.
I prefer this calm correct knowledgeable Peter from the crazy one. Please continue like this and you will get more visitors. Thanks for great information!
U know mate u've really given us good ideas about mono vs cats, u know what i found out for yrs, they've been always comparing d big diff of cat against mono, ive heard them same as urs so some people prefer for trimaran,.. all these yrs i kept on thinking same thing, "prefer for safety ness" , i love to built my own boat terrible thing s i'm too old for sailing..
Hi Lisa! Missed you Ohh and Hi Plukky Kinda missed you too 😀👍 Excellent tutorial I don't have a boat, but the Misses says she likes my Beam to Length ratio regardless Stay safe , both of you, and I'm looking forward to the new project As always Massive Respect from Aotearoa, New Zealand 😀👍💙💛
So Lagoon cats have serious bulkhead issues and they're super heavy. I'm surprised they sell any. This is interesting even if I'm not looking for a boat. Thanks Plukky. Buena suerte, cuídate.
Lafail I mean lagoon isn’t selling I sure after Colin from sailing parlay came out and brought it to their attention. Lagoon denied fault but after 110 other boats that have not ran aground or hurricane damage they finally admitted it. So padding their pockets made there customers sail on unsafe boats. That a spectacular company. I want one of their for sure Lafail 450 JT
Lagoon serviced the charter fleets. Altogether now; that's an entirely different kind of boat But people (not knowing pigs) said, I'll take that pig across oceans It would be worth further study, even though known now that many people have gotten their knowledge (and their dreams) from what they've seen on You Tube. With fervent eagerness I look for thw day of that pack moving to some other thing.
Well, they are supposed to be floating condos in the med, doing a short champange sail to the next marina every now and then. They are good for their purpose.
Interesting stuff about catamaran stability. Most of the cats I've seen are bloated and catered for island hopping. Really happy to see Lisa is doing well.
Hi Plucky, also worth talking about is the Displacement/ LWL ratio and the Sail area to displacement ratio and the LWL to hull waterline breadth ratio of a single hull, and of course the bridgedeck clearance, all of these items define the performance of the Cat.
Another good and informative video Peter, its should not be seen as scaring people but giving them the right information to make an informed decision on what to buy.
I hope you know how decent and intelligent you are. Your experiences you have had due to having huge balls and a drive for more makes you someone very special and priceless to an employer if you ever wanted to make big money. Good on ya cobber.
Great video Peter! Good to see Lisa again glad she's doing well and would be great for her to be involved with the new boat, think she'd be a great asset (and payable in pineapples :-)!)
Lisa is your equal in every way Plukky. I so hope to see her back on your channel telling you the way to go. Straighten up and fly right Plukky. My money is on you.
I am waiting for the lottery numbers to fall in and hand me som 100 million USD but in Swedish Kr of course since I am Swedish. Then I will be a sailor too! Until then I will really enjoy your building the Mumby series. I saw the talk you had with Zingaro on Mono vs. Multihull and you mention the Mumby there, after that I did some searching and stumbled up on the Jupiter channel and that Mumby feels like a really good choice. For me the building series going to be great to watch I actually like the repair and build contents more than the actual just sailing around content so I am really happy to have done a contribution for this however in the lower region but as I said in the start I have not yet won the damn lottery so a little is all I can afford. Best of luck to you Plucky and if you getting Lisa on the build that can be fun seeing your discussions on the building process and not only pineapple shortages.
Thanks Stevo.... You sound Australian with that name....we add " o"s to peoples names at the end back in Oz . Thanks for the support my friend. Good luck in the lottery
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Dad is from Yugoslavia so it is not a typically Swedish name. Glad to help, your channel is somewhat a help for me to escape all the bs in the world so thank you!!!
Very educational Plucky ,good sound information as well as technical advice.serious stuff. On a lighter note to avoid capsizing don't fooking sail,, by
Even though I agree with most of your information, I still own one of the production cats that you hate. I went into it knowing the compromise. I've sailed multihulls nearly exclusively for nearly 50 years, 14' to 84' including foilers, and appreciate what is needed to sail it safe. Basically, they don't give you the feed back when they're loading up like a monohull does and things can go south fast. It comes down to sailing ultra conservatively and knowing your boat and it's limits. Love your channel!
True... But don't you think it's a pity that you gave up the speed? The Mumby is plenty stylish in side and super easy to clean because it is just one surface ..I know people on a big heavy cat and they spend 2 hours a day cleaning the damn thing...so many nooks and crannies and the joinery had to be replaced every 5 years.... Crazy
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM All true, but when she agreed to this “hair-brained scheme” my wife got final say on boat. All my criticisms of it’s particular model didn’t mean anything to her at the time, but now after 3 years, she gets what I was concerned w- inaccessible boom foot, high center of effort, dependence on Isenglass for protection at helm, segregation of crew between helm and cockpit. Still I wouldn’t have put it on the option list if I didn’t think the compromises were acceptable for us! Keep up the great episodes
My buddy bought a 58' Cat in SFO. He is very experienced and sailed over 30,000 miles. He never sailed a Cat and we had to bring it back from SFO to Hawaii. Well we got that thing up to 18kts and was hooting and hollering behind of Catalina. We never ever felt unsafe surfing down seas 8'-12'. We ended blowing out the main it was f'n crazy how it surfed so good then made a big hull noise like a bomb. Conclusion- I will only sail across if I am on his boat haha. We got calmed and made the passage 16 days from SFO to HNL. Boat was a Hugo Chavez-aka Time Warp
My Wharram Amatasi 27 has a beam centreline / WLL ratio of about 41%, which this video says is 'in the sweet spot'. If someone wants a smaller cat which performs similarly to the Mumby 48, one of the Wharrams might be a good choice.
Great episode! Some thoughts: - Physics and math are the king! You might don't like it but it will decide about your safety. - Base on my experience on the performance cat the easiest way to make a tack is to do it fast when the bow is raised by the wave. When you find this moment you will know :) - Maybe you will find Bruce Roberts books about metal boats handy. Please continue this series and all the best!
Watching you create an ocean going, round the world, aluminium Mumby 48 built to last for decades to come which is also self sufficiently powered/'watered' by unlimited natural energy is quite some dream to 'show us' Plukky... much respect mate! Having just checked that you have now easily surpassed your 'All or Nothing' Kickstarter Pledge your dream certainly looks like it's about to become reality... couldn't happen to a more deserving RUclips sailing hero in my opinion! Your singular determination, grit and authentic lived experiences here on RUclips more than qualify you to be the 'Optimum Bloke' for this ambitious and progressive, 'Earth loving' sailing challenge Pete! Sincere good luck Cap'n... I'll be following all the way! P.S. Would love to help with any basic 3D design projects/plans/ideas or even online 3D design tutoring... when/if needed.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Probably... 'plans' only go so far though ar Pete! Visions are a little more difficult to 'show'! ruclips.net/video/ZODTgHDZyng/видео.html P.S. Can you imagine having a 3D printer on board which makes high tensile replacement broken parts? Now that really would be the height of self-sufficiency. Sorry... getting a bit over excited now!
Hi plukky.,you don't need to jump in the water to get the centre line ratio,you just measure the bow centre to bow center on the deck at the front of the boat
...I just like being in the water... Are mini keels in line with the bows or center of bouyancy?...I don't know this but the hulls aren't symmetrical ... Not sure... You are probably right or they are close enough ie within 4 inches probably.... Anyone know the answers?
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM You could also be right .But two rights don't make a wrong so that don't know where that leaves us 😅 . Good luck to your future ✌️🏴
lets hope this leads to some new inspirations in the marine architecture sphere, perhaps plucky has found his calling, to design better cats and trimarans.
I like it…”Manageable Speed”… everything in moderation!… and yes, I know that certain Speed may not be your friend…was and then wasn’t my friend a little over 20 years ago….smoke signalling was before and still is the better friend! Lol👍😎
Hey thanks for the videos yep I like the LWL BWL stuff and share the same thoughts on the newer cat designs vs the Mumby style. I have bought a Grainger 1250 cat, it is beamy, narrow hulls, great bridge deck clearance and very streamlined. I love it! She is fast but does have mini keels which are good for beaching which I have done a few times. Great to hear you are building a Mumby! Keep up the great info and love the ladies! 😎👍⚓️😘
Not to forget the hull water line length to hull waterline beam should be 10 to 1 or greater for higher speeds and less wave making. So 4.8 feet wide at the waterline . Great work
While the maneuverability problem for wider cats can be greatly improved with larger, more effective rudders that most cruising cats don't have, there is another less obvious, but more insidious danger in an excessive beam length ratio. Pitch-poling in heavy conditions. Off the wind, a narrow cat will start to fly a hull when the pressure increases - a situation that's reasonably easy to bail out on. The wider cat, with more stability sideways, looks for another way to relieve the pressure. Unfortunately, that next, less stable, direction is a vector toward the leeward bow and whatever buoyancy it has. In my greed for upwind and reaching power, two of my early racing designs had this tendency. From a racing perspective, additional beam not only provides stability, but it also allows you to fly the weather hull at a lower, safer heal angle.
Hey Peter, thanks for making a comment. I really respect your ideas in catamaran design. Thanks for not being the usual hotel designer that we see all the time nowadays on the water.
Hi. Great topic. I prefer my monohull thank you very much. Cats are more stable upside down than right side up. But at least they don't sink! The biggest thing you are overlooking is the importance of hulls ability to support the weight of all the gear cruising requires. Monohulls are displacement hulls. They handle the weight really well. Cats are more of a plaining hull design that sits on top of the water. The hull shape you describe favorably does poorly with supporting additional weight. You load a M48 with the same gear as a Lagoon and the lagoon will be faster and more stable. The production Cats have wide hulls that can safely support additional weight. There are a lot of factors that go into Cat stability besides just length to width ratio. A narrower boat sails better. Points higher. And can achieve the same or better stability by increasing the width and buoyancy of the hulls. Also keel design and rudder design play a large role by allowing the boat to slip sideways or round up into the wind much before forces would be enough to capsize. A skinny racing hull overloaded with cruising gear can start to submerge on the leeward side and cause the boat to quickly trip over itself and capsize.
Coming up in a later episode....I hear you can load a lagoon 50 with 11 tonnes so it becomes more than 30t. That ain't going to be fast. And how much shit do you need to drag around?
I learned from you. Thanks. My coastal cruising cat (Catfisher 32) would not make your list. Slow and BCL/LWL about .33. I loved it, but would not suggest long passages. Thanks for your honest opinions based on your experience. please add a link to part 1. It does not come up on RUclips.
GUYS THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED OUT ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ATTEMPTED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF WELL HUMANITY ACTUALLY. PLEASE PLEASE SHARE WITH ANYBODY WHO LOVES THE PLANET.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Fair winds and all that stuff Pete i wish you well . Keep the content real always luv your stuff . From Sailing Vessel Reality a lagoon 46 in the mediterranean .
Thanks mate! I just discovered your channel and I enjoy your videos and explanations about it all like this one. I have watched quite a few so I did subscribed. Thanks for warning peoples about the LAGOONS cat, after several videos one thing missing about that producer. You and others did not say about WOW MUCH CONFIDENCE that they have in their design and the corrections about the bulkhears problems! When a compagny gives ONLY A 1 YEAR WARRANTY after replacing the bulkheads or reinforcing it , that says it all. Buy from someone else....WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN OUR CAT. On a better note have a great succes with your NEW DREAM of building that electric MUMBY 48!! HAVE A GREAT ONE!!!🌍🌎🌏🗺
Really enjoying the series Peter , it’s so refreshing to have an a knowledgeable person like yourself explain what makes a cat stable or not in terms that the average guy can understand, thanks. Also really glad to hear that there is a possibility of Lisa coming back ,you and her are in my opinion are the perfect match and she is a great asset to the channel, fingers crossed
No fingers crossed needed.... She is coming
I really enjoy these knowledge talks. I'm actually learning a lot and have already changed my mind on the yacht I want to get based on the knowledge you've shared.
Now that is great news...I am glad you have just saved your life
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Hyperbole.
Don't place too much emphasis on what was said in this video. When he doesn't even mention the weight factor in the Stability curve it's obvious he's no expert. Watch the Ruby Rose video on Stability for an actual experts take on capsize likelihood. A performance cat like the Mumby is much less stable than a Lagoon or Fontaine pajot for example.
@@laurapitre5797 Even the screen cap for that Ruby Rose video shows a skinny hulled cat flipped on its side... I can flip a Hobie Cat over myself. It'd take the entire nation of Tonga to flip over a Lagoon/FP/Leopard. Be real. In a serious storm, everything is going to capsize, and no design considerations are going to affect that.
hahaha, bet ya want a Mumby
So great to hear from Lisa, and so glad she is doing okay and, of course, would be great to see her back again...fingers crossed! :) :)
She is coming back definitely
Very nice to get a hello and check-in from Lisa!
Indeed
Lisa on board... Great !
Indeed
Sweet...you got Lisa on board . Congrats ! Exciting.
Well not yet... Gotta build the boat
When you were talking about reading the weather in previous episodes, I actually understood the logic. You are an incredible teacher. Just spent the last 2 hours checking out Mumby cats. Amazing boats. Good on ya…
I get it right once in a while...🙂
Seeing Lisa always puts a big smile on my face…. And the boat chat was interesting too, keep it up guys!!!
Well be having lots of interesting videos
Yea to Lisa. Nice to hear and see her. Good on ya mate !!!!
Thanks
Nothing but quality Plukky!!!!
That is Lisa telling about the dream she had. I pay attention Plukky. Stay safe and good luck with your new adventures. 👍⛵️🙏😎✌️
Thanks
Woohoo
Great video plucky, great advise and it would be great to see lisa on your channel again
Mmm pineapples
Yes don't forget the pineapples . By the way do mumby do plans for a 38 footer and where do you go to enquire about plans
Like always, top stuff pluckky!
Lisa! Lisa! Lisa! Woohoo!
Woohoo indeed
Very pleasant surprise seeing Lisa again. I am looking forward to seeing Lisa back on your channel.
Me too
The fuse is lite Pee pole Peter is back heathy and ready to make this happen as you can see in this video ! Yes knowledge is power ! Thank you !
Thanks Neal
This series makes me want to build my own boat. Good stuff, Plukky!
Ah and hearing from Lisa again is great. Would be a blast having her back in a few videos.
Well join up and we'll have a factory together.. About 3 others in line too
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM I'll join ya! Gotta have a female there for balance! 😆 LOL!
I'm also looking at building , in aluminium
Me too!
G'day from Brisbane, long time viewer and enjoyer and now a kickstarter, mate. Good to hear an AUS accent . Understand all the nuances of "our" language.
Woohoo Alan .. You bloody ripper. Thanks for the support my friend
Everyone watching this should contribute to The Elcano kickstarter. Plukky's going to lead the way!
Thanks Alex.... Top stuff
When your talking serious boat facts, its really enjoyable, normally you're entertaining and jovial, but this blog was EXCELLENT
Wow.... Butt still doesn't get the numbers
I sailed mono for 12 years, never thought of a cat the way you explain the goods and minus. But I learned something today from your methods. thx Peter ~
You're welcome M
That’s awesome to hear from Lisa, and yes, would be super awesome for her to be involved with the build. Go Plukky and hopefully we see you come on down soon Lisa. 👍🙂👏👏👏😍😍😎
🙂
OH YES , SURE DO MISS LISA . Your looking lovely, great too see you again. Really enjoying the content Plucky CHEERS AND FAIR WINDS Steve h.
LISA! You truly are an ANGEL 💗🤗👍(Plukky, remember to go slow for the first year of the build!)
Great series Peter and bloody good to see Lisa back. What a team, to have the two of you on a Mumby. That's worth being part of the Kickstarter program.
Damn tootin
Yes!!! Let’s get Lisa back! Miss her face. No worries, we love you too Plucky!
Awwww schucks
Thanks for this, makes me feel better. I have ordered a Seawind 1370 and I calculated the BCL/WLL = 41.3% and I regularly crew on Seawind 1260 and it has BCL/WLL = 43.2%. These boats also have a very low boom. Good all round 🙂
True but a bit too heavy for my liking
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM I agree, it is a very heavy boat for its length. Based on your previous video I suspect you also don’t like the big opening between the cockpit and saloon?
Had the 'pleasure' of crewing on an Outremer 55 Light on an ocean passage. Total fkn rocketship mate. Exited the barrier reef doing 15 knots under full rig into the ocean swell, withing 30 minutes we had the boat completely airborne 3 times, big crash as it hit the water again. It took a couple of reefs in the main and rolled up a good portion of the jib to slow it down to less than 8 knots in order to get it to stay in the water. The repeated slapping of the bridge deck still interrupted our sleep. We nicknamed this boat the vomit comet, even the hardiest of crew who had never been seasick in their lives were chundering over the side.
Really? What angle was the wind, and what angle was the swell
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM The wind was around 60 degrees on the starboard side and the largest swell was also coming from the same direction. There was also a smaller swell coming in just off the port side. It was when the swells coincided at the right time was when the boat got airborne. The owner had the boat for 5 years and never been offshore and neither had we, although we had a bit more sailing experience than he did mostly sailing dinghies and trailer sailer's. I quizzed him about the lifting off and asked if this was the way he normally sailed the boat, and whether he thought the boat would still be in one piece by the time we got to the Solomon islands (from Cairns). He looked at me and said, I don't think so, lets slow it down.
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM The right question. The La Vagabonde Outremer has clocked speeds of up to 20 knots (!) and although it freaked Elayna out, it certainly didn't get "airborne".
@@leonaessens4399 yes, young alan thought he was airborne but a 55’ boat doesn’t just jump out of the water under 30 knots 🤣
@@leonaessens4399 they were running with the wind behind them at the time though.
Sweet! Thanks Lisa you made my day.
Now thats quality people. Love it!
And me?
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Always good to see you.
Important stuff, weight, hull shape, rig height and type. Wharram has done more research on this topic than many other designers. He spells it out very clearly. Thanks for the content.
loved the surprise ending
I was going to click off the video...and then she appeared! Glad I stuck around . :)
Me too
Don't need no math to know that the cat I chartered in South Fla years ago was a pig! A real wallowing sow! I've owned monohulls from 22 to 45 feet, once sailed my first boat a 10 foot catyak, in an Easter "blessing of the fleet" event in St. Aug. LOL. I'm unfortunately too old now but I will enjoy seeing you on your Mumby if I last that long! HURRY UP will you? Love you man!
You know the score then... Will build it as fast as I can ... Don't die... How about that for good advice....
U r 1 lucky plukker that's for real. Great job plukky. Sail on my friend
Sailing onwards
Top job Plukky. Top job!!!
Hey there Mr plunky guy, you're at it again doing this and that and a bunch of stuff. Tons of info there about catamarans and such and I can't back up my mind if you don't mind. I Miss Lisa, she's the best of them all and they've all been good. Well there's a rainstorm outside right now in the middle of the night so I'm going to go check it out. Thanks much you impressive young f e l l o w and catch you next time and I'm not kidding, bye
Thanks Jim for the comment
Wonderful to see you met your kickstart goal.
Thanks Lydia
👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
"Facts aren't scary." Outstanding!
Keep telling the truth! Maybe some folks will pay attention!
Take good care!
Honesty is always the best policy
Good luck Plukky! I wish you success with building your new home. But more importantly- catch that girl! She's the one for you!
So everyone says
Great to see Lisa again.. the Cat' stuff is also interesting :D
Thanks
Great video Peter. While I can't afford a cat, your teaching style is first rate. Nothing but quality people... 👍😎. I've almost watched your entire library of videos. The "raw goodness" you provide...keep it coming Sir.
Thanks CC for the comment and confidence boost
lookin forward to the build, come back lisa
Indeed ... Me to
The new cat project is very interesting. With Lisa as well....unmissable!
Top stuff
I prefer this calm correct knowledgeable Peter from the crazy one. Please continue like this and you will get more visitors. Thanks for great information!
Likely not...if I had a girls bare back and thong I would get 2.5M
Bloody love the no bs version plucky!!
No BS and no viewers....ahhh Sailing into Freedom, the worst channel on RUclips
U know mate u've really given us good ideas about mono vs cats, u know what i found out for yrs, they've been always comparing d big diff of cat against mono, ive heard them same as urs so some people prefer for trimaran,.. all these yrs i kept on thinking same thing, "prefer for safety ness" , i love to built my own boat terrible thing s i'm too old for sailing..
Well you can watch me build it
Hi Lisa!
Missed you
Ohh and
Hi Plukky
Kinda missed you too
😀👍
Excellent tutorial
I don't have a boat, but the Misses says she likes my Beam to Length ratio regardless
Stay safe , both of you, and I'm looking forward to the new project
As always
Massive Respect from Aotearoa, New Zealand
😀👍💙💛
Beam centerline my friend
gday peteryou sound like you know what your talking about, i recently bought somthink that i hope is fast and safe. jim
Look forward to this big challenge and donated to your Kickstarter. If anybody can do this, you can Peter.
Thanks DJ... It is going to be interesting indeed. Thanks for your support my friend
So Lagoon cats have serious bulkhead issues and they're super heavy. I'm surprised they sell any.
This is interesting even if I'm not looking for a boat. Thanks Plukky. Buena suerte, cuídate.
Lafail I mean lagoon isn’t selling I sure after Colin from sailing parlay came out and brought it to their attention. Lagoon denied fault but after 110 other boats that have not ran aground or hurricane damage they finally admitted it. So padding their pockets made there customers sail on unsafe boats. That a spectacular company. I want one of their for sure Lafail 450 JT
Crazy I know but people are a bit ignorant
Lagoon serviced the charter fleets. Altogether now; that's an entirely different kind of boat
But people (not knowing pigs) said, I'll take that pig across oceans
It would be worth further study, even though known now that many people have gotten their knowledge (and their dreams) from what they've seen on You Tube. With fervent eagerness I look for thw day of that pack moving to some other thing.
Well, they are supposed to be floating condos in the med, doing a short champange sail to the next marina every now and then. They are good for their purpose.
Interesting stuff about catamaran stability. Most of the cats I've seen are bloated and catered for island hopping. Really happy to see Lisa is doing well.
And she is coming back
You're so full of knowledge that you don't need those good looks! You have it all 😉🤗
Oh Krista thanks... I wake up pass my mirror and shake my head.... But thanks anyway
The Mumby 48 is a great choice and so is Lisa. Where will you build the boat?
Cebu Philippines... Cheaper... Lots cheaper
Hi Plucky, also worth talking about is the Displacement/ LWL ratio and the Sail area to displacement ratio and the LWL to hull waterline breadth ratio of a single hull, and of course the bridgedeck clearance, all of these items define the performance of the Cat.
You are right Kev... Doing one factor at a time otherwise people would get bored
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM very true! But as you said it’s not something the big production yards want to talk about.
Thanks!
Woohoooo..... thanks my friend I don't know what to say
Great show plucky
F^%kin "A". The lovely Lisa. That would be great. Good Luck Plukky.
Indeed
Another good and informative video Peter, its should not be seen as scaring people but giving them the right information to make an informed decision on what to buy.
Indeed but some already own those bad cats are are trying to justify the purchase
sweet video. so smart. ordinal walkthrough of cat vs mono performances and drags.
Thanks
I hope you know how decent and intelligent you are. Your experiences you have had due to having huge balls and a drive for more makes you someone very special and priceless to an employer if you ever wanted to make big money.
Good on ya cobber.
Thanks Damian ... Still same ol Plukky tho 😁
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM you're solid Cobber. Stay cool.
Great video Peter! Good to see Lisa again glad she's doing well and would be great for her to be involved with the new boat, think she'd be a great asset (and payable in pineapples :-)!)
Indeed
Lisa is your equal in every way Plukky. I so hope to see her back on your channel telling you the way to go. Straighten up and fly right Plukky. My money is on you.
Good on you Mark... Do I sense a little biasness
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM ;-)
I am waiting for the lottery numbers to fall in and hand me som 100 million USD but in Swedish Kr of course since I am Swedish. Then I will be a sailor too! Until then I will really enjoy your building the Mumby series. I saw the talk you had with Zingaro on Mono vs. Multihull and you mention the Mumby there, after that I did some searching and stumbled up on the Jupiter channel and that Mumby feels like a really good choice. For me the building series going to be great to watch I actually like the repair and build contents more than the actual just sailing around content so I am really happy to have done a contribution for this however in the lower region but as I said in the start I have not yet won the damn lottery so a little is all I can afford. Best of luck to you Plucky and if you getting Lisa on the build that can be fun seeing your discussions on the building process and not only pineapple shortages.
Thanks Stevo.... You sound Australian with that name....we add " o"s to peoples names at the end back in Oz . Thanks for the support my friend. Good luck in the lottery
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Dad is from Yugoslavia so it is not a typically Swedish name. Glad to help, your channel is somewhat a help for me to escape all the bs in the world so thank you!!!
Very educational Plucky ,good sound information as well as technical advice.serious stuff. On a lighter note to avoid capsizing don't fooking sail,, by
Thanks
Best part of the video= Lisa!
What am I ... Chopped liver?
Even though I agree with most of your information, I still own one of the production cats that you hate. I went into it knowing the compromise. I've sailed multihulls nearly exclusively for nearly 50 years, 14' to 84' including foilers, and appreciate what is needed to sail it safe. Basically, they don't give you the feed back when they're loading up like a monohull does and things can go south fast. It comes down to sailing ultra conservatively and knowing your boat and it's limits. Love your channel!
True... But don't you think it's a pity that you gave up the speed? The Mumby is plenty stylish in side and super easy to clean because it is just one surface ..I know people on a big heavy cat and they spend 2 hours a day cleaning the damn thing...so many nooks and crannies and the joinery had to be replaced every 5 years.... Crazy
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM All true, but when she agreed to this “hair-brained scheme” my wife got final say on boat. All my criticisms of it’s particular model didn’t mean anything to her at the time, but now after 3 years, she gets what I was concerned w- inaccessible boom foot, high center of effort, dependence on Isenglass for protection at helm, segregation of crew between helm and cockpit. Still I wouldn’t have put it on the option list if I didn’t think the compromises were acceptable for us! Keep up the great episodes
I’m agreeing with your wife 😊
Thank you Peter. What a great piece of knowledge to have.
My buddy bought a 58' Cat in SFO. He is very experienced and sailed over 30,000 miles. He never sailed a Cat and we had to bring it back from SFO to Hawaii. Well we got that thing up to 18kts and was hooting and hollering behind of Catalina. We never ever felt unsafe surfing down seas 8'-12'. We ended blowing out the main it was f'n crazy how it surfed so good then made a big hull noise like a bomb. Conclusion- I will only sail across if I am on his boat haha. We got calmed and made the passage 16 days from SFO to HNL. Boat was a Hugo Chavez-aka Time Warp
LISAAAAAAAA!!!!!! WOW THAT WOULD BE SO GREAT!!!!!!!🤩🤩🤩
And she's coming
My Wharram Amatasi 27 has a beam centreline / WLL ratio of about 41%, which this video says is 'in the sweet spot'. If someone wants a smaller cat which performs similarly to the Mumby 48, one of the Wharrams might be a good choice.
awesome information, .....and Lisa....what more could anyone want?....
It's a channel with everything... Except the numbers, the fame and the $.... But we try
Great episode! Some thoughts:
- Physics and math are the king! You might don't like it but it will decide about your safety.
- Base on my experience on the performance cat the easiest way to make a tack is to do it fast when the bow is raised by the wave. When you find this moment you will know :)
- Maybe you will find Bruce Roberts books about metal boats handy.
Please continue this series and all the best!
That's my friend...I liked looking for the flattest spot and I had no problem.... You get one every 20 seconds or so depending
Like the way you explain it Plucky ! Good luck with your build .
Thanks my friend
Watching you create an ocean going, round the world, aluminium Mumby 48 built to last for decades to come which is also self sufficiently powered/'watered' by unlimited natural energy is quite some dream to 'show us' Plukky... much respect mate!
Having just checked that you have now easily surpassed your 'All or Nothing' Kickstarter Pledge your dream certainly looks like it's about to become reality... couldn't happen to a more deserving RUclips sailing hero in my opinion! Your singular determination, grit and authentic lived experiences here on RUclips more than qualify you to be the 'Optimum Bloke' for this ambitious and progressive, 'Earth loving' sailing challenge Pete!
Sincere good luck Cap'n... I'll be following all the way!
P.S. Would love to help with any basic 3D design projects/plans/ideas or even online 3D design tutoring... when/if needed.
Thanks Artiz... What a nice thing to say. Top stuff my friend. And thanks for your offer for 3 D design but all I need are the plans 🙂
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Probably... 'plans' only go so far though ar Pete! Visions are a little more difficult to 'show'!
ruclips.net/video/ZODTgHDZyng/видео.html
P.S. Can you imagine having a 3D printer on board which makes high tensile replacement broken parts? Now that really would be the height of self-sufficiency. Sorry... getting a bit over excited now!
Hi plukky.,you don't need to jump in the water to get the centre line ratio,you just measure the bow centre to bow center on the deck at the front of the boat
...I just like being in the water... Are mini keels in line with the bows or center of bouyancy?...I don't know this but the hulls aren't symmetrical ... Not sure... You are probably right or they are close enough ie within 4 inches probably.... Anyone know the answers?
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM You could also be right .But two rights don't make a wrong so that don't know where that leaves us 😅 . Good luck to your future ✌️🏴
lets hope this leads to some new inspirations in the marine architecture sphere, perhaps plucky has found his calling, to design better cats and trimarans.
Heaven help us
Would be lovely to see her back on your boat mate to lovely person to Lisa
Indeed
Good info to get out there
I like it…”Manageable Speed”… everything in moderation!… and yes, I know that certain Speed may not be your friend…was and then wasn’t my friend a little over 20 years ago….smoke signalling was before and still is the better friend! Lol👍😎
Everybody loves Lisa
Indeed
Hey thanks for the videos yep I like the LWL BWL stuff and share the same thoughts on the newer cat designs vs the Mumby style. I have bought a Grainger 1250 cat, it is beamy, narrow hulls, great bridge deck clearance and very streamlined. I love it! She is fast but does have mini keels which are good for beaching which I have done a few times. Great to hear you are building a Mumby! Keep up the great info and love the ladies! 😎👍⚓️😘
Now we have to get everyone else on board to stop them making bad cat choices
Haha, Lisa coming back, blood awesome mate. Here from down under 👍
Awesome and she is going to help build it... She will probably want lights and pineapples tho...
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM love your vlogs mate, legend
Not to forget the hull water line length to hull waterline beam should be 10 to 1 or greater for higher speeds and less wave making. So 4.8 feet wide at the waterline . Great work
In an upcoming episode my friend
Give us some stats on electric drive motors and what you need in terms of batteries and what is the new technology with solar panels ?
Doing the research now
While the maneuverability problem for wider cats can be greatly improved with larger, more effective rudders that most cruising cats don't have, there is another less obvious, but more insidious danger in an excessive beam length ratio. Pitch-poling in heavy conditions. Off the wind, a narrow cat will start to fly a hull when the pressure increases - a situation that's reasonably easy to bail out on. The wider cat, with more stability sideways, looks for another way to relieve the pressure. Unfortunately, that next, less stable, direction is a vector toward the leeward bow and whatever buoyancy it has. In my greed for upwind and reaching power, two of my early racing designs had this tendency. From a racing perspective, additional beam not only provides stability, but it also allows you to fly the weather hull at a lower, safer heal angle.
Hey Peter, thanks for making a comment. I really respect your ideas in catamaran design. Thanks for not being the usual hotel designer that we see all the time nowadays on the water.
Where will you be building the Cat Peter? I have welders and equipment to build it in my huge shop. Central Oregon.
Hi Lisa!
Hi back
Way to Go LISA!!!
Hi. Great topic. I prefer my monohull thank you very much. Cats are more stable upside down than right side up. But at least they don't sink! The biggest thing you are overlooking is the importance of hulls ability to support the weight of all the gear cruising requires. Monohulls are displacement hulls. They handle the weight really well. Cats are more of a plaining hull design that sits on top of the water. The hull shape you describe favorably does poorly with supporting additional weight. You load a M48 with the same gear as a Lagoon and the lagoon will be faster and more stable. The production Cats have wide hulls that can safely support additional weight. There are a lot of factors that go into Cat stability besides just length to width ratio. A narrower boat sails better. Points higher. And can achieve the same or better stability by increasing the width and buoyancy of the hulls. Also keel design and rudder design play a large role by allowing the boat to slip sideways or round up into the wind much before forces would be enough to capsize. A skinny racing hull overloaded with cruising gear can start to submerge on the leeward side and cause the boat to quickly trip over itself and capsize.
Coming up in a later episode....I hear you can load a lagoon 50 with 11 tonnes so it becomes more than 30t. That ain't going to be fast. And how much shit do you need to drag around?
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM 😂👍
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM water maker. Generator. Solar system. 200g diesel fuel, 200g water. Dinghy and motor. Sails. Toys like SUP, foil boards, kites, wings, efoil boards. Camera gear. Beer. Oh, and don't forget food! 😎🤙
Good educational content Plucky!
Thanks
Plukky sailing class!!!! Thank you!
You're welcome
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Thanks buddy.... It all adds up. Thanks
Sure hope Lisa can come help you build it.
Me too
At this stage it will take 3 years to build so she will visit definitely
I learned from you. Thanks. My coastal cruising cat (Catfisher 32) would not make your list. Slow and BCL/LWL about .33. I loved it, but would not suggest long passages. Thanks for your honest opinions based on your experience. please add a link to part 1. It does not come up on RUclips.
Ok
Thanks for the comment
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM I followed the link and enjoyed that video as well.
GUYS THIS PROJECT NEEDS TO BE PUSHED OUT ON ALL SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS. PEOPLE SHOULD KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE ATTEMPTED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF WELL HUMANITY ACTUALLY. PLEASE PLEASE SHARE WITH ANYBODY WHO LOVES THE PLANET.
Yeah... Like he said... Top stuff
Lisa ??? I am excited.
Hay nut case i bought a lagoon 46 . Keep the vids going there excellent .
That's a bit harsh on both fronts but atleast you have a thick skin
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM Fair winds and all that stuff Pete i wish you well . Keep the content real always luv your stuff . From Sailing Vessel Reality a lagoon 46 in the mediterranean .
GREAT ADVICE PLUKKY
Thanks
What is you opinion of a Gemini 105 ? it's very narrow.
Thanks mate! I just discovered your channel and I enjoy your videos and explanations about it all like this one. I have watched quite a few so I did subscribed. Thanks for warning peoples about the LAGOONS cat, after several videos one thing missing about that producer. You and others did not say about WOW MUCH CONFIDENCE that they have in their design and the corrections about the bulkhears problems! When a compagny gives ONLY A 1 YEAR WARRANTY after replacing the bulkheads or reinforcing it , that says it all. Buy from someone else....WE HAVE NO CONFIDENCE IN OUR CAT. On a better note have a great succes with your NEW DREAM of building that electric MUMBY 48!! HAVE A GREAT ONE!!!🌍🌎🌏🗺
Welcome aboard and thanks for the comment my friend
@@SAILINGintoFREEDOM SORY: MUMBY_MUMBY_MUMBY 48