In defense of the sheriff's decision to shoot his son, the sheriff was aware of the existence of werewolves. He knew that werewolves existed at the school and are actually just people who transform, so when he saw the Hyde fighting the werewolf, it was reasonable to conclude that the Hyde is the aggressor, especially since the Hyde's role as a serial killer was well established by this point.
Not to mention, the sherif knew the Hyde was his son because his wife was a Hyde. He probably didn't want to believe it and was trying to find someone else to place the blame for the murders but deep down, I think he knew it was Tyler. So when he saw the werewolf being attacked, he knew he had to stop his son from hurting someone else :)
@@wallycola5653 agreed, but I’m also willing to write that off as a writing error vs a character flaw. Finales are difficult and muddled because you have to wrap everything up, so missing something small like Wednesday checking with Enid before running off is understandable. Yeah I’m still a little irked by it, but I understand what went wrong there.
I think the reason why the secret society bothered Enid so much is because she thinks of herself as the socialite that knows everyones business. She even has her gossip blog about who hangs out with who , so the idea that people , specially Ajax, are able to hide something from her messes with her sense of identity.
When Wednesday says "Enid", Enid's response reads, to me, as a "Go, I've got this" sort of response. It is an acknowledgement that it is her but also there is a confidence there. It is *very* subtle and can be read in other ways, which is a failing of the cinematography, animation, and writing... but I don't think it is *as* major a flaw.
To expand, rather than edit the previous comment, the major hole is the Sheriff shooting what might be his son. Taking umbrage with *that* is perfectly reasonable. It is a contrivance that doesn't make much sense. Enid being willing to maybe sacrifice herself to prevent a greater evil, I find believable enough. There is just a dissonance in the information presented that makes it *bad*.
I agree and am glad that I am not the only one that noticed that subtle look on Enid's wolfed out expression. I also appreciate that they had her use body language rather than making her talk in wolf form however I agree they could have tried to make the expression more noticeable.
This, I definitely read it as Enid said ‘go save the school I got this’ W ‘but I can’t leave you… but I guess I have to’ - W hesitation was her fighting every instinct she had to save her friend to go save everyone.
@@writeonshell I just wish wendsday said look out or behind you, cuz he was getting up and hit her when she wasn't looking. And then she ran away just saying I got to get to the school not even a thank you
I feel like it was a case of Wednesday thinking "I'm useless in this fight, and there's one I need to take at the academy" and moving to the engagement she thinks she can actually deal with, the showrunners did a bad job of portraying that is all I think.
That’s my take on it, Wednesday is very pragmatic and knows that she’s more helpful at the school than with Enid and Tyler. That’s just on the writers for improperly conveying that to the audience.
I had the same thought. Also, we don’t know how long the Sherrif was on site. He had seen proof that the creature was at at least one murder because of the homeless guys camera. I could be misremembering, but the sheriff knew his wife couldn’t control her creature.
Nah, its ok, Enid got it, and Wednesday know she has not chance against that big thing. Not everything has to be explained in movies o series through dialogues.
@@tamarindo709 they def failed in that respect, there's more than one way to show "go I got this" than a dialogue piece. Like *Enid makes eye contact with Wednesday and then with the Hyde, then pushes Wednesday behind her so that she's between Wednesday and the hide*
Interesting take. It might be that I was caught up in the moment, but when I saw this scene I got the impression that when Enid and Wednesday locked eyes there was a mutual understanding… W: “Enid??? You wolfed out! You saved me!” E: “Yes, W… it’s ME! Go do what you have to do!” So I never thought this as uncharacteristically selfish of W, but a display of trust and team work since both knew what was at stake by now.
Definitely how I read it, and the fact the W hesitated after that moment and said’I have to go’ read as W fighting every instinct she had to help her friend in a fight she couldn’t actually help in and she had to talk herself into doing something so anathema to her character, even with permission and it being the pragmatic choice.
I love your dedication in cosplaying as the character from whatever work that you're reviewing, Georgia. You really rock Enid's pink and purple streaks. 💜💗
I think it was very in character for Wednesday to run. Wednesday is always deeply analytical even in a crisis. The Hyde was a fight entirely beyond her ability. She'd already faced it alone and was as effective as a kitten fighting a grown mastiff. Throwing a rock would have been symbolic support but not really practical support. Crackstone on the other hand was a fight where she could make a difference. By running she had a real chance to save multiple lives and if her friend couldn't win then at least Enid's sacrifice would mean something. Staying would feel better but doesn't appreciably improve Enid's chances and risks the worst possible outcome. Because if Enid loses, they both die for nothing, no one warns the school, and Crackstone wins. Running means at least SOME people will certainly be warned and able to escape. Someone at least can try to challenge Crackstone, the botany teacher's treachery, and identity of the Hyde will be revealed giving others a fighting chance even if Wednesday falls. Choosing to run and hope Enid was the equal of the Hyde probably ripped Wednesday's heart out. But she did the grim mathematics of the crisis, and made the correct choice without hesitation. She Plunged into the fight where she could make a difference and didn't waste the chance Enid bought her. It was very much the calculated choice Wednesday would have made despite her feelings.
Staying could have hurt Enids chances. Enid would be split between fighting the hyde, protecting herself, and protecting the very squishy target the hyde would definitely target.
@@ericbrown1101 She's wonderful and exactly who you want to talk to if you're having relationship problems or want to reconcile with your estranged father. But she's clearly not a war time consigliere. She's not who you need in a life or death struggle between two groups of people. I suspect she's probably also pretty okay with that. For what it's worth, she probably is who you want to have on hand when the fighting is over and everyone needs to figure out how to forgive and live with each other again.
I think Wednesday knows she can't do anything against a hyde and she is the *only* one that can stop Crackstone. Facing a an impossible choice she makes the one that makes most sense to her in the moment.
I certainly didn’t think that the writing was perfect in the finale but I disagree with the two main points you brought up here. In regards to Wednesday leaving Enid, that made perfect sense to me from Wednesday characters perspective. She knows that there is a threat at the school that she has to try and deal with, she is going to be pretty useless in a warewolf vs Hyde fight, and I thought the look she and Enid share had pretty strong “Go, I got this” vibes from Enid. I would actually probably argue that Wednesday staying would put Enid in more danger as she would have to focus on both fighting the Hyde and protecting Wednesday. So for me that scene made sense, and fit with how I would imagine Wednesday would react. I also disagree about the cop shooting the Hyde. We know that the cop is familiar with the different types of outcasts so I think it is entirely plausible that he would understand that the wolf is a person. It had also been firmly established at this point that the Hyde was responsible for all the killings so I think he would know the Hyde was the aggressor in the fight. Certainly it would still be difficult to shoot the Hyde who he knows is his son but I think that it makes sense that that is what he would do. All this being said I still think that you do an amazing job with the videos and always bring up excellent points. I’m also just one random person so I’m sure other folks have different interpretations of these things.
Also given the adrenaline that Enid and Tyler had going in the fight, plus the size of both of them, the bullets would have been more of an annoyance or distraction. Like an angry bear
Regarding the Wednesday leaving moment, when I first watched it, I was a little shocked that she left, too. However, after some reflection, I personally feel like this was a big moment where Wednesday chose to trust that her friend would be able to handle the situation so that Wednesday could handle the other situation. We know from previous scenes that when Wednesday trusts somebody, she is willing to allow that person to be in danger (example: in the Gates house, Wednesday forced Enid to split up so they could cover more ground despite knowing that the house was dangerous).
It made perfect sense that Wednesday split away from Enid when she engaged the Hyde. I highly doubt Wednesday would be much of use here. Crackstone despises Wednesday's ancestor Goody, and they look alike, this is perfect for Wednesday to bring all of Crackstone's attention on her instead of the rest of the school. Makes the most sense to me, imo.
Wednesday seldom blinked And would sharply focus her gaze on wo she was interacting with. hugging Enid she closed her eyes. I think at that moment Wednesday realized how close this person who's loved her came to dying and saw only concern and more love for her from Enid.
Given that Morticia and Gomez were Nightshades, I would not be surprised if Thing had been involved with them as far back as that. With Wednesday leaving Enid to fight Tyler, I feel like that was more a situation in which any help that Wednesday could contribute would have been minimal and any attempts to help could have just gotten in the way. I do agree that the shift could have been handled better, and Enid almost dying did make it rather egregious. As for Sherrif Galpin shooting Tyler, there was a good deal of subtext leading up to the finale suggesting that he already knew Tyler was the Hyde, and I think by that point he had enough information to confidently conclude that the Hyde was the correct one to shoot. Fatherly instincts do kind of complicate the question of whether or not he could have brought himself to do it, but it's difficult to come to an absolute conclusion on that without knowing what the circumstances were surrounding the loss of his wife. Principal Weems said that Nevermore no longer accepts Hyde students as of 30 years prior to the events of the show, so it's likely that whatever happened with Tyler's mother was what led to that decision. If that is the case, it could have been so impactful as to override Galpin's fatherly instincts upon seeing a similar situation playing out in front of him. In fact, he might have known from past experience that being shot with a pistol wouldn't be enough to take a Hyde down, let alone kill them.
My biggest problem with the finale was Tyler. He seemed to behave in ways that didn't make sense if he was faking his interest in Wednesday. It reminds me of Hans in Frozen. If he was trying to make her like him to manipulate her then why pretend to be angry with her not being straight about her feelings just before the dance? I'd love it if you could do a video on him to explain your thoughts.
I heard it from someone else, can’t remember who… but before Tyler mentioned the “mixed signals” Wednesday wasn’t even thinking of Tyler in a romantic way. She only ever went to him for help and wasn’t exactly the nicest to him. It was only after the argument (and Thing giving Tyler the note) that Wednesday started to even consider him as a possible romantic interest. The writers have also stated they believe Wednesday could sense the darkness inside of Tyler even if she was not aware of it and that is what drew her towards Tyler. But I will agree they didn’t do super great about hinting him as the villain. I did guess it was him but thought he had no knowledge of being the Hyde and would be horrified to find out what he’s done
@@kitkait98 Yeah, Tyler as the evil villain didn't really make sense to me either, and finding out that Tyler was fully conscious of his actions as the Hyde was a bit of a shock as well. It just didn't seem to fit his character at all when he quietly spoke to Wednesday about even the enjoyment he feels in his violence. The way he acted after revealing himself as the antagonist seemed highly incongruous with how he had acted before. I feel similarly about Marilyn Thornhill too, though we didn't really get to know her that well, anyway, so there was less apparent dissonance in her behavior. One could probably argue that how they had acted previously was simply a facade and an act to keep up until it was no longer useful to them. Still, I feel like they had shown themselves to be far more empathetic than they ended up being after revealing their "true" selves. Ngl, I'm surprised these two characters hadn't been brought up more in this discussion as it really stood out to me. What was talked about regarding the Sheriff along with Wednesday's encounter with Enid had flown under my radar until now, so it was interesting to hear that side of it still.
Yeah I had considered Tyler as the Hyde without knowing as well and even said in another comment on one of these videos that if he did know about his actions I'd be kinda peeved. I had thought it was the psychiatrist or the plant teacher for a while and at one point thought it was both when we learned about the master. The thing that kinda bugged me was the timing. We had seen Tyler still at the dance not knowing where Wednesday was seconds before the Hyde showed. We had also seen the plant teacher, Enid, Weems, and a couple others so I assumed it had to be someone that wasn't there. I guess we just have to assume the Hyde is really freaking fast *shrugs*
@@thederpydude2088 While I didn't suspect Tyler until after the Gate house, I totally suspected Thornhill practically near the start, but especially after finding out Laurel was possibly alive. My whole family did. It wasn't totally obvious, but she seemed too invested and gave me weird vibes.
It really was kinda dumb, wasn't it? I get how people can have two sides to themselves, and how the whole nice guy personality was just an act to gain her trust, but, it just seemed, so, generic. Unpredictable, but, in a bad way. Now if he was the hyde but didn't realize it, that I'd be fine with. It's just the whole twist villain thing like that is never really done well. I think it would have been better if, whoever the hyde ended up being, it was someone who either didn't realize it or couldn't help it and was just as terrified as everyone else. That way, you don't get that silly twist villain that's so overdone and often times cheapens characters. I just don't like the hyde enjoying what's going on. Like a werewolf, it should have been something uncontrollable that doesn't define someone's personality or make them inherently a villain.
I think the police chief knew his wife was a Hyde and that's why he knew it was Tyler when he saw them fighting. That's why he didn't want to talk about Tyler's mom bc he loved her so much and feared, if Tyler found out, it might trigger him into becoming one as well. I think he would worry about it being passed down to his son.
I also think the sherif knew deep down that Tyler was the one doing all the killings from the start but he didn't want to believe it and that's why he was trying so hard to find someone else to place the blame on :)
Love the snood. As for Wednesday leaving Enid, I'm not seeing it as being a friendship moment per se but more of a soldier moment. Let's not forget, Wednesday has just recovered from an ugly near-fatal stabbing and knows that the lives of everyone at Nevermore are at stake (what with being told, the prophesy, plus she doesn't know anyone has had any warning). Like Weems, she sees her prime mission is to protect the school and the people within. Did she abandon Enid prematurely? Yeah, a little. But she also presumably knows the power of werewolves and thinks Enid has a be better chance of surviving without her than the school does without her. She played the odds and the numbers. Similarly, the Sheriff likely knows the difference of a bullet's lethality against a hyde vs a werewolf. Also, it's reasonable to assume that the act is entirely premeditated. He's had years to contemplate how to handle Tyler being a hyde when other lives are at stake. Given that Tyler seems to have survived little worse for the wear (except for still being a psychopath), that seems a safe bet. Wednesday's return hug, in public view no less, I think is her defining moment of humanity. She voluntarily bonded with someone outside of her family and expressed that without her usual level of calculation. Only Thing and Fester have fostered such a spontaneous outburst of emotion from her that we've seen. And Enid never has to worry about not having someone else in her pack. As a result, Wednesday has upped her mother at least in regards to roommates.
In defense of Wednesday peacing out when Enid showed up: Wednesday thinks very pragmatically. She was never going to be able to beat Tyler on he own and every second she wasted trying to was a second for Crackstone to start slaughtering her classmates. Also her presence there, even if just emotional support, put her at risk of Tyler taking her hostage and then she and Enid would both be dead. So honestly her running off was the best thing she could've done
Wednesday is a leader. She assessed the situation and calculated that Enid had a better chance to take down the Hyde without her being in the way or being killed with no one else knowing how to stop the bigger threat Crackstone. There was nothing she could do to help Enid in that moment. Also Wednesday didn't know the whole school was being evacuated and thus what makes her a leader and a hero. So really she made the right decision to leave Enid to take down the Hyde and hope for the best for her.
Regarding Thing being a part of the Nightshades, I'd like to suggest that maybe Thing is not only a member, but possibly a founding member of the society - or maybe the reason the society even exists.. We don't know how old Thing is. Being undead, he might be well over a century old or even more. The society was originally an extremist group that hunted normal humans who persecuted supernatural beings. Thing seems to be a Hand of Glory, which was the severed hand of a hanged man, then preserved and used to gain access to locked rooms through occult means. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Thing was an Addams who was hanged by Normies and then resurrected by Gomez's ancestor. The society could have formed to avenge Thing's death, and to use Thing to gain access to the stronghold of those who murdered him.
To join in with what a lot of other people are saying, how I read the meeting in the woods between Wednesday and wolf!Enid was: Enid had already demonstrated that she was a threat to the Hyde, and Wednesday's leaving wasn't callous, it was a complicated mix of desperation (this is a diversion, the real action's at the school and time's running out), and sheer unadulterated _trust._ That Enid turned out to need help after all is a different issue. When Tyler went for Enid again, Wednesday had a choice: to trust in Enid and her ability handle herself and deal with the real Big Bad, or stay and be of absolutely no help whatsoever while leaving Crackstone free rein. With Xavier she had what looked like the same choice, only it wasn't. She was already facing Crackstone, and she knew if the arrow hit Xavier, then he had no chance. It wasn't like trusting Enid to handle a dangerous situation, it was letting Xavier straight-out die, or not. There wasn't a question of trust. I would have said that in each of the two situations, Wednesday made a difficult choice with no time to over-think it, or even really to think about it at all, and I would argue that the first choice showed most growth: to trust someone else to protect her. As far as Thing being a member of the Nightshades... Thing strikes me as the sort of, well, not "person" per se... "character", maybe? who would be welcomed by anyone and everyone. That sort of personality who goes from stranger to best friend before the end of the party. Of course the Nightshades accepted him as one of them.
I didn't have much of a problem with Wednesday leaving Enid when she was fighting the hyde, partially because I interpreted the two as having an understanding that Enid was the only one at that time who had a reasonable chance of fighting him off, and two, because Wednesday knew the whole school was in grave danger in that moment. In my mind, Wednesday opted to run to the school to have the best chance at saving the greatest amount of people from death. Enid had her thing going, but the rest of the school was *somewhat* unaware of the school shooter about to enter the building and would have faced many casualties. I think she made the right call based on my understanding of each character's awareness of the situation
I just took that scene as her believing enid was strong enough to handle it on her own. Something along the lines of "If she managed to finally become a wolf, then she is also strong enough to handle the hyde" And cute cosplay of enid :D
I feel like Wednesday's choice to leave would've made more sense, if she had freed the other werewolves and guided them towards Enid, since we know that the other werewolves are kept. That could've been a nice touch on multiple accounts. More Wednesday-like, since she found a way to deal with a problem, that also protects someone she cares about. The only explanation needed: "I'm gonna find help!". Enid would've gotten help from her people, kinda showing her that she now has a pack. Would also give the other werewolves something to do other than just be someone to compare Enid to. I will admit though, it does make it more difficult to have a proper moment for the sheriff to come to terms with the fact that Tyler is the actual hyde.
The nightshade finger snap is reminiscent of the old addams family theme song. Makes me wonder if Morticia and Gomez were members during their time, and maybe thing was too
@@GeorgiaDow the finger snaps have been shown to be an Addams family thing before. On this show Morticia and Gomez are proven to be part of the Nightshades. Xavier said that Wednesday is a Legacy and invited her to join which she refused.
@@DrakeAurum I think this is it tbh. Nobody really knows where Thing comes from, but its established that he's part of Wednesday's family. Its already confirmed that Morticia at least was a member of the nightshades so maybe Thing was a member too when they were whole?
during the Enid wolf and Wednesday moment I read it as a silent friend conversation like when you make eye contact with a friend and share a moment of understanding even if its not obvious to others.
Okay so the reason the sheriff shot Tyler and somehow knew he was the monster was because they saw photos of it earlier in the season! When the man in the old house was killed, his camera got photos of the monster and the sheriff saw it. He likely recognized it as a Hyde but didn't say anything. That's how he knew the Hyde was the aggressor when he saw the fight! Also, I just assumed that Wednesday left Enid because they were running out of time before Crackstone started killing everyone and I think wednesday felt useless in the fight. They should have added more dialogue/body language indicating that Enid was fine on her own and wednesday wasn't just leaving her for dead though
You are right. The writers needed Wednesday to leave but didn't think the moment through to make it happen. I think we are meant to believe that Wednesday thinks Enid is going to defeat the Hyde no problem. But spending a few seconds on that would have been better writing. Even just saying "you've got this!" before saying she has to get back to the school.
I don’t think Wednesday knew Enid would win. I think it was a calculated risk assessment where W & E both knew there wasn’t anything W could do against the hyde other than be a soft target E would be distracted trying to protect. But W could make a difference in the fight at the school. She didn’t want to leave E, she knew E could die, but if she stayed and E lost they were both dead and the school was sol. E also knew W wasn’t running away to safety W was running towards a different thread she was better equipped to fight, and she could have died. It was two people faced with terrible options choosing to independently focus on the battles they actually could affect because that had the best chance of success.
in Wednesday, Sheriff knows that werewolf is a kind of outcast in the school, a common student that just turned into it. and it well known that Hydes are very dangerous, violent and unpredictable, so much that they are the only(if not one of many) kind of outcast to be banned from the school
I think it’s just one of those writing errors we’re there’s a disconnect in information (where everyone just “knows” without having to be told) compared to how things would actually happen in a very realistic setting, it doesn’t really take me out of the story because there’s already a-lot of campy and unrealistic events (not talking about the supernatural here) that usually would take me out but me personally I’m just trying to go with the flow, I presume better writing will hopefully be expanding next season which will leave us with less questions etc.
It's cute how you cosplayed Enid! And, actually, it seemed like you analysed the finale sort of from Enid's point of view. And now it would be great to see Wednesday cosplay and finale analysis made from W's prospective... I loved the video!
Enid was there to save Wednesday. What could Wednesday have done to help her? Even if Enid ended up dying, imagine sacrificing yourself so your friend could live, only for BOTH of you to die because she wouldn’t leave you. Wednesday made the hard but correct choice to honor what her friend was willing to do for her.
I really enjoy your insights on fictional character's psychology. Afterseeing your breakdown I agree with you completely IRT leaving Enid behind in that situation as it is presented. I wonder if there is a few extra seconds of footage, cut for time, where Enid actual did nod to Wednesday suggesting that she had the situation and to go on to deal with the greater threat. If so, it fits better their personalities and it could even be said to enhance Enid's "caretaker" mindset because she knows the threat to the school is more important than whether or not she can actually subdue the Hyde in this moment.
Georgia seems like one of those people who was BORN to be a therapist. She has such a soothing, calming voice, a friendly demeanor, and there’s just something about her that makes it clear she has a lot of compassion and empathy. All of which are things she has in common with Jonathan Decker at CinemaTherapy.
*When Wednesday seeks revenge for Pugsly, stands up to the Pilgrim guys for Eugene, takes an arrow for Xavier, etc, it kinda reminds of a "Mafia" mentality, which, in addition to being very transactional, once she has accepted them into her "bubble", she'll act like, "You are now under the protection of Wednesday Addams..."*
When I saw the scene where Wednesday leaves to go back to the school, the way that I read the scene is that she knew her friend had control of the situation, and there was nothing that Wednesday could do to help in that moment, so she had to go back to the school to do what she could do there. I think she just had confidence in her friends ability and she believed that Enid was able to handle herself against the hyde.
I want to start with Wednsday running from Enid and the Hyde. it's subtle, but Enid tilts her head down the slightest bit before the Hyde batts her out of the way. I read this as Enid trying to communicate the " I got this moment" to Wednsday. also, tactically speaking, there wasn't much that Wednsday could do to help Enid in that fight. assuming she didn't keep the knife she was stabbed with ( I didn't see it and I'm pretty sure she uses the broken sword to finish Crackstone), that would have placed her inbtween two actual monsters with no means to defend herself. she probably did the mental math and figured that going after Crackstone would yield a higher chance of success. it may be calous on her part, but it feels in character for her to try and focus on the things that she can control when under stress. as for the sheriff, he knew werewolves existed, and I think he knew that his son was the Hyde but tried to deny it... until he couldn't. he's an ' out of sight, out of mind' kind of man. denying his son's true nature allowed him to ignore the possibility of losing him
I really love your analysis of the show including the little details in body language and explaining what would be the apropriate behavior in many situations. I wonder if you are considering making more vids on Wednesday because I'd really like to hear your opinions on the relationship or rather dynamic between Wednesday, Tyler and Xavier.
Off top of head in-universe reason for Sheriff shooting his son. Perhaps his experience with Hydes taught him the pistol wouldn’t be powerful enough to seriously harm one.
I would chalk the Enid/Wednesday interaction up to a mistake in editing. Or I’ve seen elsewhere in the comments that someone read Enid’s body language as “I’ve got this.” She was upset about the Nightshades because everyone is in the club and no one thought to invite her. Plus the secret snap was just too much for her. I think we saw Wednesday finally respecting and trusting Enid. That’s how you get to the hug.
I guess as a werewolf Enid doesn't control herself and went feral, she might have attacked even Wednesday. What she seemed to have wanted to do when they saw each other (5:45 in your video) if she wasn't attacked again by the Hyde. Not very obvious i admit... Anyway, it isn't a safe place for Wednesday and time was running out. What bothers me much more is that Crackstone hate magic and witches... he is an inquisitor type of guy... But suddenly uses magic too out of nowhere and is okay with it... Doesn't make much sense with the character ! Thank you so much for the video, so interesting as usual ! ❤
Okay but I agree completely about the Crackstone part, like he was so against magic and outcasts when he was alive and now he is an outcast that uses magic.
Great video! One of the highlights of the whole season for me was the friendship between Wednesday & Enid! Both Jenna & Emma gave beautiful performances, they had such great chemistry & nailed their respective characters! 🖤💜
I think she trusted Enid. She trusted her friend and knew she wouldn't be helpful in this fight. Getting between a Hyde and a werewolf would be a huge mistake. Also, I don't think Tyler dad actually shot him. I think it was a distraction shot. He didn't want to see his son kill someone. Now. As far as Wednesday taking the arrow for Xavier a large part of it was because she knew she was still getting healed by Goody. No point in letting him get actually hurt when she would be just fine taking the arrow instead. The hug. There is nothing behind the hug other than "omg you're ok." from both sides. Wednesday did pull back for a moment, but that was to make sure it was Enid and she was ok.
I definitely think Thing is part of the Nightshades. He's said to be the hand from a member of the family, and I'm assuming that the Addams family goes back decades, maybe centuries into their history. The fact that a powerful ability like future sight would part of their bloodline, it makes me think there's more to than a fun little maternal bonding thing.
This is kind of an old one, but the Danganronpa games are really good and you see how different characters react in life or death scenarios. You also really see how much their personality can affect the story. I feel like it's also good at representing that pack mentality.
A clarification for Thing snapping twice along with the nightshade society: snapping twice is what The Addams family does on the regular, throughout the multiple iterations in the history of their publication. Has somebody who's seen most of the TV shows, I could tell you Thing probably did it out of habit rather than trying to go with the crowd.
When I watched this scene, I interpreted it as Wednesday and Enid mutually entrusting each other to do their jobs. Enid was like "I got your back, go be the hero." Yes, Enid was put in a dangerous situation but if Wednesday was there it might have been worse because Enid would not only have to fight Tyler but also protect Wednesday. Also, the sheriff shooting his son makes sense to me because he knows what Hydes are and how dangerous they can be, He probably also understood that a bullet wouldn't kill him, but rather deter him. I feel like, if anyone, the sheriff knows more about Hydes than anyone because he was in relations with one.
Thing snapping might hint Thing was an old Alumni perhaps? The sheriff shooting the son, might recontextualize all of his previous actions as having always suspected, maybe even known that his son was the killer, and he was in denial until the therapist was murdered.
Usually you're spot on with your observations, bit I don't think you got this one right. To me - although subtle - the short moment between Enid and Wednesday was always a "i got it, do what you have to" moment. She knew, Enid would be able to handle herself. Also Wednesday probably realises that she can't do much against the Hyde as a human and she was the one who needed to stop Crackstone. Because otherwise, many of her colleagues would die, which then again fits into her need to protect others.
I wasn't too upset by any of Wednesday's antics in the show. It is possible that she speaks werewolf. Enid did give her a werewolf grin of sorts. Wednesday also knows that no one else can kill Crackstone so other lives were in immediate danger.
I think Wednesday left Enid because Wednesday believes in Enid. She always has. That is as much a part of her character as her protectiveness. Not mention that the school is being attacked by a reincarnated bigot. She has to save them, in her mind this is duty now. So she does the pragmatic thing and leaves. If you pay attention you can see that she hesitates before going back to the school.
Regarding Wednesday leaving Enid to fight the Hyde, I do not think it was out of character. In addition to what you already mentioned (stubborn, single-minded, and obsessive!), Wednesday has continuously let herself be pulled by her visions, so it is not surprising that she would feel compelled to go to the school as indicated by the prophecy. The show has also been setting up parallels between Wednesday and Goody Addams - the latter had to leave her mother to die in order to save herself and have the opportunity to protect the greater outcast community. Fortunately, this situation ended up better, but it fits with Wednesday's need to stand up for all outcasts. I also find it hard to imagine Wednesday standing there and trying to help by just throwing a rock :) Sheriff Galpin had the pictures from the scene of one of the murders, so he knew for certain that the Hyde was the monster and that it could be his son. He probably spent the last couple of weeks struggling with the fact that he was covering for his son (even going as far as to arrest the wrong person) and had spent years worrying about what might happen if Tyler turned into a Hyde. We still do not know how Francoise Galpin died? Did Sheriff Galpin have to do something in order to protect his son after she turned? I do not think that firing that shot was easy, but the sheriff probably knew that a Hyde is not going to be hurt by a bullet.
i believe what they Meant to to portray right before Wednesday left was an unspoken understanding of Enid telling her "GO, ive got this. " however, they needed more than a momentary pause on Enids face. they needed to actually give her an expression that we could easily see. a simple nod or guesture in the direction of the school would have solved that issue, but they assumed that a lingering moment would've said that, and it didnt. also, as for Thing calling out Ajax, its because hes well aware that lives are more important than a social club. and in its hayday, the society's entire point was protection of outcasts. and of course Thing's a member. Goody Addams started the Nightshades, so it IS in the family, and him being one of the oldest and most mysterious members of the Addams, wouldnt surprise me if he belonged even before Morticia and Gomez
The sheriff was looking for a monster for the murders and suspected the hyde, who was likely his son. Maybe the adrenaline of finally encountering the hyde and the experience as a sheriff made "hyde-as-murderer" more salient than "hyde-as-son." Also, perhaps, there was a bit of denial of his son being a hyde in the first place cause that would mean he's a murderer (he asked "son is that really you?" after all oppose to just addressing him as his son). Furthermore, the sheriff seems to avoid what's traumatic to him, to the point of not talking about his wife with Tyler. So maybe, the emotional load of the whole situation led to this literal instance of "shoot first, ask questions later."
3:30 - it would be interesting to see if S2+ give Thing some backstory that he's the hand of a former member of the Nightshades that somehow was adopted by Morticia and Gomez during their time at the school ... also just love how the snaps from the Adams Family themesong is derived from their time in the Nightshades ... so many layers to this series!
I love how seriously you take the motivations of these characters. This content, as a fellow but doubting psychologist, was something I didn't know I needed. And I love your transformations aswell. Along with the info you give your audience about therapy. I do see a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies in the series however, regarding logic or Wednesdays' or other characters' motivations and actions.
One small detail I noticed that no one mentions. Gomez's pet name for Wednesday is his little Viper. Viper is also the name of the main character of the book she's writing.
Hyde vs Werewolf Enid and Wednesday: sure, a better interaction before running off might improve it, but I don't think Wednesday was wrong to leave when she did. Throwing a rock, as you suggested, the best that would do is momentarily distract the Hyde and set up another attack, but Wednesday has no tools and if she gets caught by it, preventing her from showing up back at Nevermore to confront Crackstone (where a lot more lives than just Enid's were in immediate jeopardy) and takes too much damage from it so that she's weakened for the Crackstone fight.... I think she picked a priority, "where am I needed the most right now?" and the answer was "not here fighting the hyde" Sheriff shooting his son: (personal opinion...i don't think that guy should've been a father in the first place. he obviously doesn't have a good relationship with his son and has nothing nice to say, and seems to care a lot more about his job) We started this series with the Sheriff wanting to find the monster and stop it before it killed anybody else. Period. We start the finale episode with him listening to Dr. Kinbott's tapes, and it is implied he knows what his wife was, and probably what his son is. His son, who kills people. Kills people. People that the sheriff has had to pick up the dismembered pieces of. The Sheriff also knows that werewolves (among other things) are in attendance at Nevermore, so regardless of him witnessing a fight between two monsters, he has prior information about who is responsible for killing people, and it's his son, the Hyde and not the werewolf. I think he was totally capable of shooting his son, probably not killing his son. He shot his son, who was about to kill another kid (werewolf or not), and then once she wasn't about to die, tried to talk him down. I also don't think they would have written Enid in a precarious situation like that if the Sheriff wasn't going to be there to intervene. Wednesday probably trusted Enid's ability to handle herself, "this kitty's got claws and [she's] not afraid to use them."
7:20 At this point in the story there was already reports and statements from Wednesday as well as physical evidence including a picture at the scenes of the attacks that showed the Hyde as the monster killing people. The Sheriff would have been able to recognize, "Werewolf, huh thats nuts. But that thing is the monster killing people." Of course after that would be the dilemma of "is that my kid?"
I find it hilarious that this shows how nerdy you are over this show and how much you talk with your hands when they are done like Enid's. Overall I really like the video and I was trying to hold in a laugh or two (my family was asleep while I was watching this). Hope you have had a happy holiday and a happy new year!
Welp, history has told us your interpretations aren't always on the nose. I feel like Enid's arrival and the exchanged look represented a kind of solidarity. The look was enough to say, "Go, I'll hold him off." And the sheriff had clearly been holding this possibility in the back of his mind from the beginning. His guilt and fear caused a lot of the toxicity between them. In the end, he was afraid it would come to this. As such, he was darkly ready when the time came.
Wednesday leaving Enid was the best decision she could have made- she couldn't contribute to the fight against the hyde, and it would be much harder for Enid to fight while having to protect Wednesday. She was helping them both by leaving and there were other's back at the school that needed her.
About the sheriff shooting the Hyde: he knows what the monster is supposed to look like! He's seen it on the pictures made by the homeless man as well as on Xavier's drawings. As for the werewolf; I think it's safe for him to assume this is a Nevermore student. Part of him probably already suspected Tyler, given his wife's past, but he probably never wanted to acknowledge it untill he was staring him in the face.
I think I disagree with the idea that the sheriff wouldn't have shot the Hyde even though he thought it was his son. I think that the reason he shot the Hyde was BECAUSE he knew it was his son, and has known for a while and has been fighting with himself about how to approach his son about it. Ignoring the situation untill you HAVE to do something about it. From the beginning of the show we know that the Sheriff knew the attacks were not from a bear, and I think he'd had an inkling at the back of his mind from the start as to whether it was his son or not, as in the show they do state that Tyler's dad was just hoping that his son didn't inherit the Hyde ability from his wife. The Sheriff shooting the Hyde is almost him finally doing what he'd been putting of the whole series, which was talking to his son! Which is kinda ironic given the fact Tyler is in therapy, and also a big ol' metaphor for - don't put something off untill it's too late and irreversible. AND as a bonus to that, as a sheriff, it is your job to de-escalate a situation, and seeing that there is this big moster about to kill another one, you have to stop the killing even if the one killing is in the right, bc you don't know the context to the situation. Also in law, murder is bad Overall, it wasn't presented too well, and even if this point isn't what the writers were going for, they should have made it a lil more obvious to gleem, but also, a good show should create differing opinions in it's audience. Anyway, love your take on it and you bring up some really good points!
I think it’s because Wednesday thought she wasn’t going to be able to help Enid. Fighting a huge super strong creature? I don’t think she would have done anything except got in the way. Still I see what you mean. Wednesday had no idea if she was strong enough to win. And in fact she would have lost had it not been for the sheriff.
I think with the whole Wednesday leaving Enid to fight the Hyde situation, Wednesday was also thinking that werewolves are dangerous in their own right. The school has cages for the werewolves to transform in, so this version of werewolves likely has the same short comings that all other depictions do, ie one bite and you're one of us. So I think Wednesday was cognisant of that on top of also having a duty to deal with what was happening at the school.
I don't know how Wednesday could have helped Enid in that situation, and she knew she was needed at the academy. Plus, I see it as a display of trust. In a way, she was kinda powerless against Tyler and the fight was extremely brutal. She would have put herself in danger more and interfered, making it probably harder for Enid to focus on protecting her too at the same time.
I feel like he shot Tyler first because he already saw pictures of the Hyde plus a clear illustration to confirm it. Still a hard choice but he knew it was the right one. We already seen previously that it’s hard for the sheriff to admit when he’s wrong but he always does the right thing in the end although very reluctantly
when Thing joins in on the "nightshades forever" thing I think it's probably a nod to the fact that Morticia and/or Gomez were Nightshades and probably already knew what to do(i.e. snap twice)
Had not even thought about Wednesday abadoning her or considered how the Sheriff would not have taken that shot, I think you are totally right hadn't even thought of that, love your perspectives on things, it is really insightful
In my opinion the problem is that the writers didn't really know how to make sure they'd have time for the main plot of the finale. They spent a bit too much time on the love triangle thing and the red herrings the whole season and it makes this episode look like everyone is running like headless chickens to get everything done in one night, at the cost of some characters being out of character. It also looks odd next to the slower pace the other episodes have except maybe the first.
I hope you’ll do the other characters as well. I enjoyed how the show modelled them in reference to what kind of magical creature they were and I would like to see more. Thanks for making these!
My understanding is thing is a nightshade from before being disbanded. He hasn't been participating since hes been back at the school but he was a contemporary of morticia in the society. PS on the Enid werewolf front my reading is that Wednesday has what pilots call target fixation. She has missed in the moment the danger that in it is in and relief of her rescuing Wednesday. I think it was a moon dancing bear for her.
I attributed Enid’s nod to Wednesday being a message of “Go on, I got this.” Especially since Enid’s arch is about her being more confident in herself. And she was pretty badass fighting Tyler. Wow! 🤩
I agree, and a lot goes on with Aloy. Spoilers. . . . . . . . . . . First deciding to be a loner, her friends not giving up trying to help, finding out she has a sister, not understanding why her sister is so different from her, learning that she needs to trust people more, almost getting kidnapped by Tilda.
So I'm guessing that O.C.D. is both a curse and a blessing, depending on severity. I saw something on youtube stating that Wednesday didn't blink throughout her performance. That forced me to review the series. I knew I had seen her do it and I was correct. Once, during her meeting with her mother in the nightshade's library in episode 5 and again when talking to Tyler, in the Weathervane, in episode 6. Also, another youtube video mentioned clues to the monster's identity but skipped the main and most obvious one. In episode 1 the brief appearance of the monster, the monster's hair is both the same color and style as Tyler.
A few points, if I may: 1) I can agree that the writers could've better shown that Wednesday trusted Enid to take care of the Hyde, but I personally already got that feeling even without a nod or whatever. In any event, this was a very volatile situation and she was needed elsewhere. I don't think there's anything wrong with Wednesday running off, especially since she did let yell back why she was running away. 2) Can I ask what it is you think Wednesday could actually do in the Enid vs. Tyler fight? Because I really don't think Wednesday could do anything to help Enid. And her sticking around just to make sure Enid is okay puts all the others at the school at risk. I don't buy Wednesday actually getting involved in the fight and I don't think she'd just wait there when the zombie monster that damn near killed her was en route to kill all the other outcasts. So I just want to know what exactly it is you expect Wednesday to have done during the Tyler vs. Enid fight. 3) Tyler's Dad knows the Hyde is the killer because he's seen both the pictures captured by the homeless man's camera and the pictures Wednesday stole from Xavier that he drew. Plus, his wife was a Hyde as well. So he knows first hand what Hydes are like, and he knows a Hyde fits the description of the monster they're after. So it makes sense he'd shoot the Hyde, in my opinion.
I love how you care for the characters in the show. I can get the same way. I even get attached to my D&D/anything characters. It would be so fun to watch you watch these shows to see how many times you go "what the heck"! Lastly maybe you could do an Episode on "Andor".
I could see Thing knowing about the Nightshades through Wednesday's parents. Morticia and Gomez's portrait is prominent in the Nightshades' secret hideaway.
I think that long form gaze in Wednesday's direction was Enid telling her "Wednesday, go! Go!" So she went. Also, Sherriff Galpin shooting Tyler was, in my opinion because he's been in that school before and saw the Fangs as boneheads who just make a lot of racket and might be a little less inhibited when wolfed out. Hence the Lupin cages. Also , the picture(s?) of Hyde Tyler next to an unalived homeless person might have informed him as to the situation. You got me at Hyde vs werewolf, though. That could've easily been two chaotic beings painting the town red( 😏 ) that happened to clash.
My take on Wednesday fleeing in that moment was, "If I'm here, Enid will try to protect me. If I'm not, she can handle this however she wants!" Which is a logical assessment that would also be accurate, and one we see commonly in anime and comic scenes where there is a difference in power levels like this.
For the whole WTH moment for you it absolutely fits! She's smart and realistically she has no powers, no weapons and if Enid is focusing on the hyde and protecting Wednesday then she'll be less focused on protecting herself. The best thing you can do if you're the weakest member that needs protecting is to probably remove yourself from the situation because at the current moment you're just a liability thats putting your friend at risk. Maybe im being too logical but it made sense to me....??
And while Enid did almost die that's not really the point. Wednesday fully trusted her friends ability so it may be in character for her to leave like that
I thought the stare already indicated from Enid that she "got it" hence why Wednesday was "k I have to go to the school" I never saw it as "imma just leave bye"
Yes, there was some poor writing in this last episode. That said; Thing is quite old. He was probably a member of the Nightshades since back when Morticia and Gomez were at the school... if not before. As to outing Ajax... as you said, Enid is part of his 'pack'. Thing effectively made the decision to 'recruit' her into the Nightshades... admittedly in a rushed manner due to the circumstances. The sheriff knew that the killer was a Hyde (i.e. NOT a werewolf), like his wife had been. Indeed, he had to have suspected his son all along... leading to some of the tension between them (e.g. always worried about what Tyler was doing), and his guilt over failing to stop it. He also had lived near the school for many years and thus, like the hiker in the first episode, probably knew that werewolves did NOT generally go around killing people. So it comes down to whether he was willing to stand there and just WATCH as his son murdered another innocent person who he, as sheriff, had sworn to protect. He wasn't.
Scenes like these always make me think that the writers wanted to have something happen, but didn't think quite hard enough about how it should happen. One of the things as a writer you have to look out for, no matter what medium you're writing, is whether you're having a character do something because it's what they would do or because it would be dramatic/funny/cool. If you can have it be both? Awesome, that's the goal! If you can only pick one, though? ALWAYS go with what the character would do, because viewers will notice if you don't. Maybe not everyone, but enough. All the instances of complaint in this video are very dramatic scenes - drama was chosen over internal narrative and character consistency. The frustrating thing is that there are some pretty easy fixes that could have made the scenes flow mroe smoothly. As stated in the video, Enid could have given a little "Go, I've got this" head bob to Wednesday, she could have nodded back in acknowledgement, boom, issue solved. For the Hyde, the scene just needed to be shifted a bit to have Enid be more obviously roughed up - make it a bit more obvious visually that she's losing and the Hyde is the aggressor. That, or have the father make some noise, accidentally shift the Hyde's attention and aggression to him, and have him be forced to shoot in self-defense, which would arguably have had the potential to be even more dramatic and heart-breaking.
My reading of Thing joining in the finger snapping was that it's the classic Addams Family finger snap and probably was introduced to the Nightshades by Gomez and Morticia, if not Thing themselves.
I think in this case she just assumed that Enid was strong enough to fight back. I don't know for sure, I'm not in her mind but that's what comes to mind. Because we know that Wednesday cares more than we assumed beforehand, so I think that because she's really into her logical part of her brain she just analyzed the situation and concluded that Enid was strong enough to fight back idk. And for Thing snapping too, I don't think he's a member of the Nightshades, but since the snapping is a part of the Addams family as well (maybe here playing on the fact that Morticia and Gomez were Nightshades members and that's were the snapping habit came from idk), so maybe it's just Thing snapping along because used to it and or a play here of the writers to emphasize Enid's feeling of being kept in ignorance. And to be fair, I think that there's not a doubt in the sheriff's mind about whether or not the Hyde is the bad guy, because throughout this season we've gathered more evidences than needed and it would be really irrational to think otherwise. I can get why the possibility of his son being a Hyde could be a second guessing factor. But a Hyde having numerous murders on its hands trying not to defend himself but actually to kill a werewolf (even if the fact that sheriff ignores the fact that it's Enid, he still knows really well that werewolves are Nevermore's students), it makes it highly doubtful that he would be reluctant to shoot, plus he wasn't aiming to kill with his shot, more to stop him from killing Enid. Now again, I don't have all the answers and that's only my perspective on the matter here. I also think that the writers chose to make it happen this way in order to make some situations happen, like the arrow sacrifice thing that allows Wednesday to make amends for her behavior with Xavier in the past, and also to make Enid go through this experience on her own. Now don't shoot at me guys (no pun intended here) I totally agree that Enid almost lost her life and that her experiencing this on her own is sad, a bit traumatic but I really think that this experience was in a way necessary for Enid and she discovered one aspect of her identity/personality and what she's capable own her own. Some of those supernatural aspects are most of the times metaphors for becoming adults or discovering our bodies, changing evolving, sexuality etc. And even if do find support and comfort around that's always an experience that we have to live and go through on our own. It was my thoughts on this but I could be wrong. Still I liked your reactions on this season and I also appreciate some info that you presented cuz it's good to confront perspectives especially because sometimes I wouldn't have thought of this or that in that way and that's why sharing is so amazing^^
It does feel like decisions just made for the plot, but if I had to rationalize it I'd say the Sheriff knows a single bullet isn't going to kill a Hyde, as his wife was one he'd have some knowledge of how hard they are to kill, and was maybe hoping to talk his son down instead of letting him kill a werewolf (that is likely a kid or staff member from the school) and then his son continues rampaging as he has been
In defense of the sheriff's decision to shoot his son, the sheriff was aware of the existence of werewolves. He knew that werewolves existed at the school and are actually just people who transform, so when he saw the Hyde fighting the werewolf, it was reasonable to conclude that the Hyde is the aggressor, especially since the Hyde's role as a serial killer was well established by this point.
as well he did get both photo and drawn evidence of what the hyde looks like! :D
Not to mention, the sherif knew the Hyde was his son because his wife was a Hyde. He probably didn't want to believe it and was trying to find someone else to place the blame for the murders but deep down, I think he knew it was Tyler. So when he saw the werewolf being attacked, he knew he had to stop his son from hurting someone else :)
yep. georgia is very off on this one. Unusual for her.
@@hcdhcdhcd41 I do think she was right in that it was weird that Wednesday just abandoned Enid during the middle of a fight
@@wallycola5653 agreed, but I’m also willing to write that off as a writing error vs a character flaw. Finales are difficult and muddled because you have to wrap everything up, so missing something small like Wednesday checking with Enid before running off is understandable.
Yeah I’m still a little irked by it, but I understand what went wrong there.
I think the reason why the secret society bothered Enid so much is because she thinks of herself as the socialite that knows everyones business. She even has her gossip blog about who hangs out with who , so the idea that people , specially Ajax, are able to hide something from her messes with her sense of identity.
Seems very accurate! You explained it well^^
is she going to blog about it?
@@insertcognomen probably
Makes sense.
And *that's why* it's secret. Especially from her.
When Wednesday says "Enid", Enid's response reads, to me, as a "Go, I've got this" sort of response. It is an acknowledgement that it is her but also there is a confidence there. It is *very* subtle and can be read in other ways, which is a failing of the cinematography, animation, and writing... but I don't think it is *as* major a flaw.
To expand, rather than edit the previous comment, the major hole is the Sheriff shooting what might be his son. Taking umbrage with *that* is perfectly reasonable. It is a contrivance that doesn't make much sense. Enid being willing to maybe sacrifice herself to prevent a greater evil, I find believable enough. There is just a dissonance in the information presented that makes it *bad*.
I agree and am glad that I am not the only one that noticed that subtle look on Enid's wolfed out expression. I also appreciate that they had her use body language rather than making her talk in wolf form however I agree they could have tried to make the expression more noticeable.
This, I definitely read it as Enid said ‘go save the school I got this’ W ‘but I can’t leave you… but I guess I have to’ - W hesitation was her fighting every instinct she had to save her friend to go save everyone.
That's how I read it as well. The look was almost "what are you waiting for? Go!"
@@writeonshell I just wish wendsday said look out or behind you, cuz he was getting up and hit her when she wasn't looking. And then she ran away just saying I got to get to the school not even a thank you
I feel like it was a case of Wednesday thinking "I'm useless in this fight, and there's one I need to take at the academy" and moving to the engagement she thinks she can actually deal with, the showrunners did a bad job of portraying that is all I think.
Also maybe even confidence and trust that Enid could handle it (even if it was misguided)
That’s my take on it, Wednesday is very pragmatic and knows that she’s more helpful at the school than with Enid and Tyler. That’s just on the writers for improperly conveying that to the audience.
I had the same thought.
Also, we don’t know how long the Sherrif was on site. He had seen proof that the creature was at at least one murder because of the homeless guys camera. I could be misremembering, but the sheriff knew his wife couldn’t control her creature.
Nah, its ok, Enid got it, and Wednesday know she has not chance against that big thing. Not everything has to be explained in movies o series through dialogues.
@@tamarindo709 they def failed in that respect, there's more than one way to show "go I got this" than a dialogue piece. Like *Enid makes eye contact with Wednesday and then with the Hyde, then pushes Wednesday behind her so that she's between Wednesday and the hide*
Interesting take. It might be that I was caught up in the moment, but when I saw this scene I got the impression that when Enid and Wednesday locked eyes there was a mutual understanding…
W: “Enid??? You wolfed out! You saved me!”
E: “Yes, W… it’s ME! Go do what you have to do!”
So I never thought this as uncharacteristically selfish of W, but a display of trust and team work since both knew what was at stake by now.
Exactly. Ususally Georgia ist spot on with her observations, but clearly seemed to have missed to plot here.
Definitely how I read it, and the fact the W hesitated after that moment and said’I have to go’ read as W fighting every instinct she had to help her friend in a fight she couldn’t actually help in and she had to talk herself into doing something so anathema to her character, even with permission and it being the pragmatic choice.
I love your dedication in cosplaying as the character from whatever work that you're reviewing, Georgia. You really rock Enid's pink and purple streaks. 💜💗
Thank you for noticing it and appreciating it
True! It is really cool to see transformations from video to video
@@GeorgiaDow I'd like to see you review 1883 or Yellowstone.
I think it was very in character for Wednesday to run. Wednesday is always deeply analytical even in a crisis. The Hyde was a fight entirely beyond her ability. She'd already faced it alone and was as effective as a kitten fighting a grown mastiff. Throwing a rock would have been symbolic support but not really practical support.
Crackstone on the other hand was a fight where she could make a difference. By running she had a real chance to save multiple lives and if her friend couldn't win then at least Enid's sacrifice would mean something.
Staying would feel better but doesn't appreciably improve Enid's chances and risks the worst possible outcome. Because if Enid loses, they both die for nothing, no one warns the school, and Crackstone wins.
Running means at least SOME people will certainly be warned and able to escape. Someone at least can try to challenge Crackstone, the botany teacher's treachery, and identity of the Hyde will be revealed giving others a fighting chance even if Wednesday falls.
Choosing to run and hope Enid was the equal of the Hyde probably ripped Wednesday's heart out. But she did the grim mathematics of the crisis, and made the correct choice without hesitation. She Plunged into the fight where she could make a difference and didn't waste the chance Enid bought her. It was very much the calculated choice Wednesday would have made despite her feelings.
Staying could have hurt Enids chances. Enid would be split between fighting the hyde, protecting herself, and protecting the very squishy target the hyde would definitely target.
Completely agree. I love Georgia, but this was a rare bad take from her.
@@ericbrown1101 She's wonderful and exactly who you want to talk to if you're having relationship problems or want to reconcile with your estranged father. But she's clearly not a war time consigliere. She's not who you need in a life or death struggle between two groups of people.
I suspect she's probably also pretty okay with that. For what it's worth, she probably is who you want to have on hand when the fighting is over and everyone needs to figure out how to forgive and live with each other again.
I think Wednesday knows she can't do anything against a hyde and she is the *only* one that can stop Crackstone. Facing a an impossible choice she makes the one that makes most sense to her in the moment.
I certainly didn’t think that the writing was perfect in the finale but I disagree with the two main points you brought up here.
In regards to Wednesday leaving Enid, that made perfect sense to me from Wednesday characters perspective. She knows that there is a threat at the school that she has to try and deal with, she is going to be pretty useless in a warewolf vs Hyde fight, and I thought the look she and Enid share had pretty strong “Go, I got this” vibes from Enid. I would actually probably argue that Wednesday staying would put Enid in more danger as she would have to focus on both fighting the Hyde and protecting Wednesday. So for me that scene made sense, and fit with how I would imagine Wednesday would react.
I also disagree about the cop shooting the Hyde. We know that the cop is familiar with the different types of outcasts so I think it is entirely plausible that he would understand that the wolf is a person. It had also been firmly established at this point that the Hyde was responsible for all the killings so I think he would know the Hyde was the aggressor in the fight. Certainly it would still be difficult to shoot the Hyde who he knows is his son but I think that it makes sense that that is what he would do.
All this being said I still think that you do an amazing job with the videos and always bring up excellent points. I’m also just one random person so I’m sure other folks have different interpretations of these things.
Also given the adrenaline that Enid and Tyler had going in the fight, plus the size of both of them, the bullets would have been more of an annoyance or distraction. Like an angry bear
Great analysis!
Also, since he's a cop and at least a little familiar with Hydes he'd likely know that a couple bullets wouldn't do any serious or permanent damage
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Regarding the Wednesday leaving moment, when I first watched it, I was a little shocked that she left, too. However, after some reflection, I personally feel like this was a big moment where Wednesday chose to trust that her friend would be able to handle the situation so that Wednesday could handle the other situation. We know from previous scenes that when Wednesday trusts somebody, she is willing to allow that person to be in danger (example: in the Gates house, Wednesday forced Enid to split up so they could cover more ground despite knowing that the house was dangerous).
It made perfect sense that Wednesday split away from Enid when she engaged the Hyde. I highly doubt Wednesday would be much of use here. Crackstone despises Wednesday's ancestor Goody, and they look alike, this is perfect for Wednesday to bring all of Crackstone's attention on her instead of the rest of the school. Makes the most sense to me, imo.
Wednesday seldom blinked And would sharply focus her gaze on wo she was interacting with. hugging Enid she closed her eyes. I think at that moment Wednesday realized how close this person who's loved her came to dying and saw only concern and more love for her from Enid.
Given that Morticia and Gomez were Nightshades, I would not be surprised if Thing had been involved with them as far back as that.
With Wednesday leaving Enid to fight Tyler, I feel like that was more a situation in which any help that Wednesday could contribute would have been minimal and any attempts to help could have just gotten in the way. I do agree that the shift could have been handled better, and Enid almost dying did make it rather egregious.
As for Sherrif Galpin shooting Tyler, there was a good deal of subtext leading up to the finale suggesting that he already knew Tyler was the Hyde, and I think by that point he had enough information to confidently conclude that the Hyde was the correct one to shoot. Fatherly instincts do kind of complicate the question of whether or not he could have brought himself to do it, but it's difficult to come to an absolute conclusion on that without knowing what the circumstances were surrounding the loss of his wife.
Principal Weems said that Nevermore no longer accepts Hyde students as of 30 years prior to the events of the show, so it's likely that whatever happened with Tyler's mother was what led to that decision. If that is the case, it could have been so impactful as to override Galpin's fatherly instincts upon seeing a similar situation playing out in front of him. In fact, he might have known from past experience that being shot with a pistol wouldn't be enough to take a Hyde down, let alone kill them.
My biggest problem with the finale was Tyler. He seemed to behave in ways that didn't make sense if he was faking his interest in Wednesday. It reminds me of Hans in Frozen. If he was trying to make her like him to manipulate her then why pretend to be angry with her not being straight about her feelings just before the dance? I'd love it if you could do a video on him to explain your thoughts.
I heard it from someone else, can’t remember who… but before Tyler mentioned the “mixed signals” Wednesday wasn’t even thinking of Tyler in a romantic way. She only ever went to him for help and wasn’t exactly the nicest to him. It was only after the argument (and Thing giving Tyler the note) that Wednesday started to even consider him as a possible romantic interest. The writers have also stated they believe Wednesday could sense the darkness inside of Tyler even if she was not aware of it and that is what drew her towards Tyler. But I will agree they didn’t do super great about hinting him as the villain. I did guess it was him but thought he had no knowledge of being the Hyde and would be horrified to find out what he’s done
@@kitkait98 Yeah, Tyler as the evil villain didn't really make sense to me either, and finding out that Tyler was fully conscious of his actions as the Hyde was a bit of a shock as well. It just didn't seem to fit his character at all when he quietly spoke to Wednesday about even the enjoyment he feels in his violence. The way he acted after revealing himself as the antagonist seemed highly incongruous with how he had acted before. I feel similarly about Marilyn Thornhill too, though we didn't really get to know her that well, anyway, so there was less apparent dissonance in her behavior.
One could probably argue that how they had acted previously was simply a facade and an act to keep up until it was no longer useful to them. Still, I feel like they had shown themselves to be far more empathetic than they ended up being after revealing their "true" selves.
Ngl, I'm surprised these two characters hadn't been brought up more in this discussion as it really stood out to me. What was talked about regarding the Sheriff along with Wednesday's encounter with Enid had flown under my radar until now, so it was interesting to hear that side of it still.
Yeah I had considered Tyler as the Hyde without knowing as well and even said in another comment on one of these videos that if he did know about his actions I'd be kinda peeved. I had thought it was the psychiatrist or the plant teacher for a while and at one point thought it was both when we learned about the master. The thing that kinda bugged me was the timing. We had seen Tyler still at the dance not knowing where Wednesday was seconds before the Hyde showed. We had also seen the plant teacher, Enid, Weems, and a couple others so I assumed it had to be someone that wasn't there. I guess we just have to assume the Hyde is really freaking fast *shrugs*
@@thederpydude2088 While I didn't suspect Tyler until after the Gate house, I totally suspected Thornhill practically near the start, but especially after finding out Laurel was possibly alive. My whole family did. It wasn't totally obvious, but she seemed too invested and gave me weird vibes.
It really was kinda dumb, wasn't it? I get how people can have two sides to themselves, and how the whole nice guy personality was just an act to gain her trust, but, it just seemed, so, generic. Unpredictable, but, in a bad way. Now if he was the hyde but didn't realize it, that I'd be fine with. It's just the whole twist villain thing like that is never really done well. I think it would have been better if, whoever the hyde ended up being, it was someone who either didn't realize it or couldn't help it and was just as terrified as everyone else. That way, you don't get that silly twist villain that's so overdone and often times cheapens characters. I just don't like the hyde enjoying what's going on. Like a werewolf, it should have been something uncontrollable that doesn't define someone's personality or make them inherently a villain.
I think the police chief knew his wife was a Hyde and that's why he knew it was Tyler when he saw them fighting. That's why he didn't want to talk about Tyler's mom bc he loved her so much and feared, if Tyler found out, it might trigger him into becoming one as well. I think he would worry about it being passed down to his son.
I also think the sherif knew deep down that Tyler was the one doing all the killings from the start but he didn't want to believe it and that's why he was trying so hard to find someone else to place the blame on :)
Love the snood. As for Wednesday leaving Enid, I'm not seeing it as being a friendship moment per se but more of a soldier moment. Let's not forget, Wednesday has just recovered from an ugly near-fatal stabbing and knows that the lives of everyone at Nevermore are at stake (what with being told, the prophesy, plus she doesn't know anyone has had any warning). Like Weems, she sees her prime mission is to protect the school and the people within. Did she abandon Enid prematurely? Yeah, a little. But she also presumably knows the power of werewolves and thinks Enid has a be better chance of surviving without her than the school does without her. She played the odds and the numbers.
Similarly, the Sheriff likely knows the difference of a bullet's lethality against a hyde vs a werewolf. Also, it's reasonable to assume that the act is entirely premeditated. He's had years to contemplate how to handle Tyler being a hyde when other lives are at stake. Given that Tyler seems to have survived little worse for the wear (except for still being a psychopath), that seems a safe bet.
Wednesday's return hug, in public view no less, I think is her defining moment of humanity. She voluntarily bonded with someone outside of her family and expressed that without her usual level of calculation. Only Thing and Fester have fostered such a spontaneous outburst of emotion from her that we've seen. And Enid never has to worry about not having someone else in her pack. As a result, Wednesday has upped her mother at least in regards to roommates.
That’s a good point about the sheriff already having a plan for this situation.
In defense of Wednesday peacing out when Enid showed up: Wednesday thinks very pragmatically. She was never going to be able to beat Tyler on he own and every second she wasted trying to was a second for Crackstone to start slaughtering her classmates. Also her presence there, even if just emotional support, put her at risk of Tyler taking her hostage and then she and Enid would both be dead. So honestly her running off was the best thing she could've done
Wednesday is a leader. She assessed the situation and calculated that Enid had a better chance to take down the Hyde without her being in the way or being killed with no one else knowing how to stop the bigger threat Crackstone. There was nothing she could do to help Enid in that moment. Also Wednesday didn't know the whole school was being evacuated and thus what makes her a leader and a hero. So really she made the right decision to leave Enid to take down the Hyde and hope for the best for her.
Regarding Thing being a part of the Nightshades, I'd like to suggest that maybe Thing is not only a member, but possibly a founding member of the society - or maybe the reason the society even exists.. We don't know how old Thing is. Being undead, he might be well over a century old or even more. The society was originally an extremist group that hunted normal humans who persecuted supernatural beings. Thing seems to be a Hand of Glory, which was the severed hand of a hanged man, then preserved and used to gain access to locked rooms through occult means. It's not outside the realm of possibility that Thing was an Addams who was hanged by Normies and then resurrected by Gomez's ancestor. The society could have formed to avenge Thing's death, and to use Thing to gain access to the stronghold of those who murdered him.
To join in with what a lot of other people are saying, how I read the meeting in the woods between Wednesday and wolf!Enid was:
Enid had already demonstrated that she was a threat to the Hyde, and Wednesday's leaving wasn't callous, it was a complicated mix of desperation (this is a diversion, the real action's at the school and time's running out), and sheer unadulterated _trust._ That Enid turned out to need help after all is a different issue. When Tyler went for Enid again, Wednesday had a choice: to trust in Enid and her ability handle herself and deal with the real Big Bad, or stay and be of absolutely no help whatsoever while leaving Crackstone free rein.
With Xavier she had what looked like the same choice, only it wasn't. She was already facing Crackstone, and she knew if the arrow hit Xavier, then he had no chance. It wasn't like trusting Enid to handle a dangerous situation, it was letting Xavier straight-out die, or not. There wasn't a question of trust.
I would have said that in each of the two situations, Wednesday made a difficult choice with no time to over-think it, or even really to think about it at all, and I would argue that the first choice showed most growth: to trust someone else to protect her.
As far as Thing being a member of the Nightshades... Thing strikes me as the sort of, well, not "person" per se... "character", maybe? who would be welcomed by anyone and everyone. That sort of personality who goes from stranger to best friend before the end of the party. Of course the Nightshades accepted him as one of them.
I didn't have much of a problem with Wednesday leaving Enid when she was fighting the hyde, partially because I interpreted the two as having an understanding that Enid was the only one at that time who had a reasonable chance of fighting him off, and two, because Wednesday knew the whole school was in grave danger in that moment. In my mind, Wednesday opted to run to the school to have the best chance at saving the greatest amount of people from death. Enid had her thing going, but the rest of the school was *somewhat* unaware of the school shooter about to enter the building and would have faced many casualties. I think she made the right call based on my understanding of each character's awareness of the situation
I just took that scene as her believing enid was strong enough to handle it on her own. Something along the lines of "If she managed to finally become a wolf, then she is also strong enough to handle the hyde"
And cute cosplay of enid :D
I feel like Wednesday's choice to leave would've made more sense, if she had freed the other werewolves and guided them towards Enid, since we know that the other werewolves are kept.
That could've been a nice touch on multiple accounts.
More Wednesday-like, since she found a way to deal with a problem, that also protects someone she cares about. The only explanation needed: "I'm gonna find help!".
Enid would've gotten help from her people, kinda showing her that she now has a pack. Would also give the other werewolves something to do other than just be someone to compare Enid to.
I will admit though, it does make it more difficult to have a proper moment for the sheriff to come to terms with the fact that Tyler is the actual hyde.
They didn't have the money for that.
I don't think Wednesday had *time* to do that. Crackfield was already in the school.
The nightshade finger snap is reminiscent of the old addams family theme song. Makes me wonder if Morticia and Gomez were members during their time, and maybe thing was too
We know morticia was so maybe she Made the snap and that's why thing does it
@@GeorgiaDow the finger snaps have been shown to be an Addams family thing before. On this show Morticia and Gomez are proven to be part of the Nightshades. Xavier said that Wednesday is a Legacy and invited her to join which she refused.
Well, Thing is somebody's appendage. Maybe that person was a Nightshade.
I just figured in this adaption Morticia kept the Nightshade Snap and it became the Addams’ Snap
@@DrakeAurum I think this is it tbh. Nobody really knows where Thing comes from, but its established that he's part of Wednesday's family. Its already confirmed that Morticia at least was a member of the nightshades so maybe Thing was a member too when they were whole?
during the Enid wolf and Wednesday moment I read it as a silent friend conversation like when you make eye contact with a friend and share a moment of understanding even if its not obvious to others.
Okay so the reason the sheriff shot Tyler and somehow knew he was the monster was because they saw photos of it earlier in the season! When the man in the old house was killed, his camera got photos of the monster and the sheriff saw it. He likely recognized it as a Hyde but didn't say anything. That's how he knew the Hyde was the aggressor when he saw the fight! Also, I just assumed that Wednesday left Enid because they were running out of time before Crackstone started killing everyone and I think wednesday felt useless in the fight. They should have added more dialogue/body language indicating that Enid was fine on her own and wednesday wasn't just leaving her for dead though
Also his wife was a Hyde so he was already aware it could be his son but probably didn't want it to be the case
You are right. The writers needed Wednesday to leave but didn't think the moment through to make it happen. I think we are meant to believe that Wednesday thinks Enid is going to defeat the Hyde no problem. But spending a few seconds on that would have been better writing. Even just saying "you've got this!" before saying she has to get back to the school.
I don’t think Wednesday knew Enid would win. I think it was a calculated risk assessment where W & E both knew there wasn’t anything W could do against the hyde other than be a soft target E would be distracted trying to protect. But W could make a difference in the fight at the school. She didn’t want to leave E, she knew E could die, but if she stayed and E lost they were both dead and the school was sol. E also knew W wasn’t running away to safety W was running towards a different thread she was better equipped to fight, and she could have died. It was two people faced with terrible options choosing to independently focus on the battles they actually could affect because that had the best chance of success.
in Wednesday, Sheriff knows that werewolf is a kind of outcast in the school, a common student that just turned into it. and it well known that Hydes are very dangerous, violent and unpredictable, so much that they are the only(if not one of many) kind of outcast to be banned from the school
I think it’s just one of those writing errors we’re there’s a disconnect in information (where everyone just “knows” without having to be told) compared to how things would actually happen in a very realistic setting, it doesn’t really take me out of the story because there’s already a-lot of campy and unrealistic events (not talking about the supernatural here) that usually would take me out but me personally I’m just trying to go with the flow, I presume better writing will hopefully be expanding next season which will leave us with less questions etc.
It's cute how you cosplayed Enid! And, actually, it seemed like you analysed the finale sort of from Enid's point of view. And now it would be great to see Wednesday cosplay and finale analysis made from W's prospective...
I loved the video!
Oh thank you! perhaps
Enid was there to save Wednesday. What could Wednesday have done to help her? Even if Enid ended up dying, imagine sacrificing yourself so your friend could live, only for BOTH of you to die because she wouldn’t leave you. Wednesday made the hard but correct choice to honor what her friend was willing to do for her.
I really enjoy your insights on fictional character's psychology. Afterseeing your breakdown I agree with you completely IRT leaving Enid behind in that situation as it is presented. I wonder if there is a few extra seconds of footage, cut for time, where Enid actual did nod to Wednesday suggesting that she had the situation and to go on to deal with the greater threat. If so, it fits better their personalities and it could even be said to enhance Enid's "caretaker" mindset because she knows the threat to the school is more important than whether or not she can actually subdue the Hyde in this moment.
Georgia seems like one of those people who was BORN to be a therapist. She has such a soothing, calming voice, a friendly demeanor, and there’s just something about her that makes it clear she has a lot of compassion and empathy. All of which are things she has in common with Jonathan Decker at CinemaTherapy.
*When Wednesday seeks revenge for Pugsly, stands up to the Pilgrim guys for Eugene, takes an arrow for Xavier, etc, it kinda reminds of a "Mafia" mentality, which, in addition to being very transactional, once she has accepted them into her "bubble", she'll act like, "You are now under the protection of Wednesday Addams..."*
When I saw the scene where Wednesday leaves to go back to the school, the way that I read the scene is that she knew her friend had control of the situation, and there was nothing that Wednesday could do to help in that moment, so she had to go back to the school to do what she could do there. I think she just had confidence in her friends ability and she believed that Enid was able to handle herself against the hyde.
I want to start with Wednsday running from Enid and the Hyde. it's subtle, but Enid tilts her head down the slightest bit before the Hyde batts her out of the way. I read this as Enid trying to communicate the " I got this moment" to Wednsday. also, tactically speaking, there wasn't much that Wednsday could do to help Enid in that fight. assuming she didn't keep the knife she was stabbed with ( I didn't see it and I'm pretty sure she uses the broken sword to finish Crackstone), that would have placed her inbtween two actual monsters with no means to defend herself. she probably did the mental math and figured that going after Crackstone would yield a higher chance of success. it may be calous on her part, but it feels in character for her to try and focus on the things that she can control when under stress. as for the sheriff, he knew werewolves existed, and I think he knew that his son was the Hyde but tried to deny it... until he couldn't. he's an ' out of sight, out of mind' kind of man. denying his son's true nature allowed him to ignore the possibility of losing him
I really love your analysis of the show including the little details in body language and explaining what would be the apropriate behavior in many situations. I wonder if you are considering making more vids on Wednesday because I'd really like to hear your opinions on the relationship or rather dynamic between Wednesday, Tyler and Xavier.
Off top of head in-universe reason for Sheriff shooting his son. Perhaps his experience with Hydes taught him the pistol wouldn’t be powerful enough to seriously harm one.
I would chalk the Enid/Wednesday interaction up to a mistake in editing. Or I’ve seen elsewhere in the comments that someone read Enid’s body language as “I’ve got this.” She was upset about the Nightshades because everyone is in the club and no one thought to invite her. Plus the secret snap was just too much for her. I think we saw Wednesday finally respecting and trusting Enid. That’s how you get to the hug.
I guess as a werewolf Enid doesn't control herself and went feral, she might have attacked even Wednesday.
What she seemed to have wanted to do when they saw each other (5:45 in your video) if she wasn't attacked again by the Hyde. Not very obvious i admit...
Anyway, it isn't a safe place for Wednesday and time was running out.
What bothers me much more is that Crackstone hate magic and witches... he is an inquisitor type of guy... But suddenly uses magic too out of nowhere and is okay with it... Doesn't make much sense with the character !
Thank you so much for the video, so interesting as usual ! ❤
Okay but I agree completely about the Crackstone part, like he was so against magic and outcasts when he was alive and now he is an outcast that uses magic.
@@tataru1298 Here's the thing about extremists - they are complete hypocrites.
@@RPGLover87 if you put it in that way... then it kinda fits ! 🤣
Great video! One of the highlights of the whole season for me was the friendship between Wednesday & Enid! Both Jenna & Emma gave beautiful performances, they had such great chemistry & nailed their respective characters! 🖤💜
I think she trusted Enid. She trusted her friend and knew she wouldn't be helpful in this fight. Getting between a Hyde and a werewolf would be a huge mistake. Also, I don't think Tyler dad actually shot him. I think it was a distraction shot. He didn't want to see his son kill someone.
Now. As far as Wednesday taking the arrow for Xavier a large part of it was because she knew she was still getting healed by Goody. No point in letting him get actually hurt when she would be just fine taking the arrow instead.
The hug. There is nothing behind the hug other than "omg you're ok." from both sides. Wednesday did pull back for a moment, but that was to make sure it was Enid and she was ok.
Mortica and Gomes were members of the nightshades which is why I thought Thing would know about the snap, great video as always!
I definitely think Thing is part of the Nightshades. He's said to be the hand from a member of the family, and I'm assuming that the Addams family goes back decades, maybe centuries into their history. The fact that a powerful ability like future sight would part of their bloodline, it makes me think there's more to than a fun little maternal bonding thing.
This is kind of an old one, but the Danganronpa games are really good and you see how different characters react in life or death scenarios. You also really see how much their personality can affect the story.
I feel like it's also good at representing that pack mentality.
Love the Danganronpa games myself! And yeah there is definitely LOTS to unpack with those characters psychology-wise !
Could you PLEASE analyze Tyler and the abuse he suffered? Some fans are so unaware of the consequences of grooming
A clarification for Thing snapping twice along with the nightshade society: snapping twice is what The Addams family does on the regular, throughout the multiple iterations in the history of their publication. Has somebody who's seen most of the TV shows, I could tell you Thing probably did it out of habit rather than trying to go with the crowd.
When I watched this scene, I interpreted it as Wednesday and Enid mutually entrusting each other to do their jobs. Enid was like "I got your back, go be the hero." Yes, Enid was put in a dangerous situation but if Wednesday was there it might have been worse because Enid would not only have to fight Tyler but also protect Wednesday.
Also, the sheriff shooting his son makes sense to me because he knows what Hydes are and how dangerous they can be, He probably also understood that a bullet wouldn't kill him, but rather deter him. I feel like, if anyone, the sheriff knows more about Hydes than anyone because he was in relations with one.
Thing snapping might hint Thing was an old Alumni perhaps? The sheriff shooting the son, might recontextualize all of his previous actions as having always suspected, maybe even known that his son was the killer, and he was in denial until the therapist was murdered.
Usually you're spot on with your observations, bit I don't think you got this one right. To me - although subtle - the short moment between Enid and Wednesday was always a "i got it, do what you have to" moment. She knew, Enid would be able to handle herself. Also Wednesday probably realises that she can't do much against the Hyde as a human and she was the one who needed to stop Crackstone. Because otherwise, many of her colleagues would die, which then again fits into her need to protect others.
It's not escaping when the main problem is elsewhere and needs to be dealt with.
I wasn't too upset by any of Wednesday's antics in the show. It is possible that she speaks werewolf. Enid did give her a werewolf grin of sorts. Wednesday also knows that no one else can kill Crackstone so other lives were in immediate danger.
I think Wednesday left Enid because Wednesday believes in Enid. She always has. That is as much a part of her character as her protectiveness. Not mention that the school is being attacked by a reincarnated bigot. She has to save them, in her mind this is duty now. So she does the pragmatic thing and leaves. If you pay attention you can see that she hesitates before going back to the school.
Regarding Wednesday leaving Enid to fight the Hyde, I do not think it was out of character. In addition to what you already mentioned (stubborn, single-minded, and obsessive!), Wednesday has continuously let herself be pulled by her visions, so it is not surprising that she would feel compelled to go to the school as indicated by the prophecy. The show has also been setting up parallels between Wednesday and Goody Addams - the latter had to leave her mother to die in order to save herself and have the opportunity to protect the greater outcast community. Fortunately, this situation ended up better, but it fits with Wednesday's need to stand up for all outcasts.
I also find it hard to imagine Wednesday standing there and trying to help by just throwing a rock :)
Sheriff Galpin had the pictures from the scene of one of the murders, so he knew for certain that the Hyde was the monster and that it could be his son. He probably spent the last couple of weeks struggling with the fact that he was covering for his son (even going as far as to arrest the wrong person) and had spent years worrying about what might happen if Tyler turned into a Hyde. We still do not know how Francoise Galpin died? Did Sheriff Galpin have to do something in order to protect his son after she turned? I do not think that firing that shot was easy, but the sheriff probably knew that a Hyde is not going to be hurt by a bullet.
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Anyone else always get misty eyed with that hug between Enid and Wednesday? Because seriously it never fails!
i believe what they Meant to to portray right before Wednesday left was an unspoken understanding of Enid telling her "GO, ive got this. " however, they needed more than a momentary pause on Enids face. they needed to actually give her an expression that we could easily see. a simple nod or guesture in the direction of the school would have solved that issue, but they assumed that a lingering moment would've said that, and it didnt.
also, as for Thing calling out Ajax, its because hes well aware that lives are more important than a social club. and in its hayday, the society's entire point was protection of outcasts.
and of course Thing's a member. Goody Addams started the Nightshades, so it IS in the family, and him being one of the oldest and most mysterious members of the Addams, wouldnt surprise me if he belonged even before Morticia and Gomez
The sheriff was looking for a monster for the murders and suspected the hyde, who was likely his son. Maybe the adrenaline of finally encountering the hyde and the experience as a sheriff made "hyde-as-murderer" more salient than "hyde-as-son." Also, perhaps, there was a bit of denial of his son being a hyde in the first place cause that would mean he's a murderer (he asked "son is that really you?" after all oppose to just addressing him as his son). Furthermore, the sheriff seems to avoid what's traumatic to him, to the point of not talking about his wife with Tyler. So maybe, the emotional load of the whole situation led to this literal instance of "shoot first, ask questions later."
The sheriff didn't know everything going on but he clearly knows enough for that decision to make sense.
3:30 - it would be interesting to see if S2+ give Thing some backstory that he's the hand of a former member of the Nightshades that somehow was adopted by Morticia and Gomez during their time at the school ... also just love how the snaps from the Adams Family themesong is derived from their time in the Nightshades ... so many layers to this series!
I love how seriously you take the motivations of these characters. This content, as a fellow but doubting psychologist, was something I didn't know I needed.
And I love your transformations aswell.
Along with the info you give your audience about therapy.
I do see a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies in the series however, regarding logic or Wednesdays' or other characters' motivations and actions.
Glad you enjoyed it! hope you stay on my channel
One small detail I noticed that no one mentions. Gomez's pet name for Wednesday is his little Viper. Viper is also the name of the main character of the book she's writing.
I love it when you said spoiler despite being excited mid sentence
Hahaha yeah I know all my videos are spoilers actually as well so = P
Hyde vs Werewolf
Enid and Wednesday: sure, a better interaction before running off might improve it, but I don't think Wednesday was wrong to leave when she did. Throwing a rock, as you suggested, the best that would do is momentarily distract the Hyde and set up another attack, but Wednesday has no tools and if she gets caught by it, preventing her from showing up back at Nevermore to confront Crackstone (where a lot more lives than just Enid's were in immediate jeopardy) and takes too much damage from it so that she's weakened for the Crackstone fight.... I think she picked a priority, "where am I needed the most right now?" and the answer was "not here fighting the hyde"
Sheriff shooting his son: (personal opinion...i don't think that guy should've been a father in the first place. he obviously doesn't have a good relationship with his son and has nothing nice to say, and seems to care a lot more about his job) We started this series with the Sheriff wanting to find the monster and stop it before it killed anybody else. Period. We start the finale episode with him listening to Dr. Kinbott's tapes, and it is implied he knows what his wife was, and probably what his son is. His son, who kills people. Kills people. People that the sheriff has had to pick up the dismembered pieces of. The Sheriff also knows that werewolves (among other things) are in attendance at Nevermore, so regardless of him witnessing a fight between two monsters, he has prior information about who is responsible for killing people, and it's his son, the Hyde and not the werewolf. I think he was totally capable of shooting his son, probably not killing his son. He shot his son, who was about to kill another kid (werewolf or not), and then once she wasn't about to die, tried to talk him down.
I also don't think they would have written Enid in a precarious situation like that if the Sheriff wasn't going to be there to intervene. Wednesday probably trusted Enid's ability to handle herself, "this kitty's got claws and [she's] not afraid to use them."
7:20 At this point in the story there was already reports and statements from Wednesday as well as physical evidence including a picture at the scenes of the attacks that showed the Hyde as the monster killing people. The Sheriff would have been able to recognize, "Werewolf, huh thats nuts. But that thing is the monster killing people." Of course after that would be the dilemma of "is that my kid?"
I find it hilarious that this shows how nerdy you are over this show and how much you talk with your hands when they are done like Enid's. Overall I really like the video and I was trying to hold in a laugh or two (my family was asleep while I was watching this). Hope you have had a happy holiday and a happy new year!
Welp, history has told us your interpretations aren't always on the nose. I feel like Enid's arrival and the exchanged look represented a kind of solidarity. The look was enough to say, "Go, I'll hold him off." And the sheriff had clearly been holding this possibility in the back of his mind from the beginning. His guilt and fear caused a lot of the toxicity between them. In the end, he was afraid it would come to this. As such, he was darkly ready when the time came.
Wednesday leaving Enid was the best decision she could have made- she couldn't contribute to the fight against the hyde, and it would be much harder for Enid to fight while having to protect Wednesday. She was helping them both by leaving and there were other's back at the school that needed her.
About the sheriff shooting the Hyde: he knows what the monster is supposed to look like! He's seen it on the pictures made by the homeless man as well as on Xavier's drawings. As for the werewolf; I think it's safe for him to assume this is a Nevermore student.
Part of him probably already suspected Tyler, given his wife's past, but he probably never wanted to acknowledge it untill he was staring him in the face.
I think I disagree with the idea that the sheriff wouldn't have shot the Hyde even though he thought it was his son. I think that the reason he shot the Hyde was BECAUSE he knew it was his son, and has known for a while and has been fighting with himself about how to approach his son about it. Ignoring the situation untill you HAVE to do something about it.
From the beginning of the show we know that the Sheriff knew the attacks were not from a bear, and I think he'd had an inkling at the back of his mind from the start as to whether it was his son or not, as in the show they do state that Tyler's dad was just hoping that his son didn't inherit the Hyde ability from his wife. The Sheriff shooting the Hyde is almost him finally doing what he'd been putting of the whole series, which was talking to his son! Which is kinda ironic given the fact Tyler is in therapy, and also a big ol' metaphor for - don't put something off untill it's too late and irreversible.
AND as a bonus to that, as a sheriff, it is your job to de-escalate a situation, and seeing that there is this big moster about to kill another one, you have to stop the killing even if the one killing is in the right, bc you don't know the context to the situation. Also in law, murder is bad
Overall, it wasn't presented too well, and even if this point isn't what the writers were going for, they should have made it a lil more obvious to gleem, but also, a good show should create differing opinions in it's audience.
Anyway, love your take on it and you bring up some really good points!
I think it’s because Wednesday thought she wasn’t going to be able to help Enid. Fighting a huge super strong creature? I don’t think she would have done anything except got in the way. Still I see what you mean. Wednesday had no idea if she was strong enough to win. And in fact she would have lost had it not been for the sheriff.
I think with the whole Wednesday leaving Enid to fight the Hyde situation, Wednesday was also thinking that werewolves are dangerous in their own right. The school has cages for the werewolves to transform in, so this version of werewolves likely has the same short comings that all other depictions do, ie one bite and you're one of us. So I think Wednesday was cognisant of that on top of also having a duty to deal with what was happening at the school.
It's nice to see you criticise something, and rightfully so. Love to see your gentle roasting.
oml that purple snoody scarf you got on here is so pretty
Hahaha yes I did love the snood
I don't know how Wednesday could have helped Enid in that situation, and she knew she was needed at the academy. Plus, I see it as a display of trust. In a way, she was kinda powerless against Tyler and the fight was extremely brutal. She would have put herself in danger more and interfered, making it probably harder for Enid to focus on protecting her too at the same time.
I feel like he shot Tyler first because he already saw pictures of the Hyde plus a clear illustration to confirm it. Still a hard choice but he knew it was the right one. We already seen previously that it’s hard for the sheriff to admit when he’s wrong but he always does the right thing in the end although very reluctantly
when Thing joins in on the "nightshades forever" thing I think it's probably a nod to the fact that Morticia and/or Gomez were Nightshades and probably already knew what to do(i.e. snap twice)
Had not even thought about Wednesday abadoning her or considered how the Sheriff would not have taken that shot, I think you are totally right hadn't even thought of that, love your perspectives on things, it is really insightful
In my opinion the problem is that the writers didn't really know how to make sure they'd have time for the main plot of the finale.
They spent a bit too much time on the love triangle thing and the red herrings the whole season and it makes this episode look like everyone is running like headless chickens to get everything done in one night, at the cost of some characters being out of character.
It also looks odd next to the slower pace the other episodes have except maybe the first.
Nobody was "out of character".
The Nightshades are a very old society and Thing is a legacy member from way back.
I hope you’ll do the other characters as well. I enjoyed how the show modelled them in reference to what kind of magical creature they were and I would like to see more. Thanks for making these!
Thanks...I have enjoyed your content over the past year and look forward to 2023. Blessings on your day!
Same to you! blessings
The double snap has been a running motif through out the show and pays homage to the original series opening theme.
My understanding is thing is a nightshade from before being disbanded. He hasn't been participating since hes been back at the school but he was a contemporary of morticia in the society.
PS on the Enid werewolf front my reading is that Wednesday has what pilots call target fixation. She has missed in the moment the danger that in it is in and relief of her rescuing Wednesday. I think it was a moon dancing bear for her.
I attributed Enid’s nod to Wednesday being a message of “Go on, I got this.” Especially since Enid’s arch is about her being more confident in herself. And she was pretty badass fighting Tyler. Wow! 🤩
First. Also I love your videos and hope we see more videos on the Horizon Forbidden West/ Zero Dawn games. The one you did was brilliant
I did just finish forbidden west who knows I may
I agree, and a lot goes on with Aloy. Spoilers.
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First deciding to be a loner, her friends not giving up trying to help, finding out she has a sister, not understanding why her sister is so different from her, learning that she needs to trust people more, almost getting kidnapped by Tilda.
@@piratetv1 hard, almost impossible decisions and choices are placed on her shoulders on a semi regular basis
@@tadhggoreyoneill13666 its a huge character arc
@@piratetv1 a huge character arc from a huge world in an equally huge story
So I'm guessing that O.C.D. is both a curse and a blessing, depending on severity. I saw something on youtube stating that Wednesday didn't blink throughout her performance. That forced me to review the series. I knew I had seen her do it and I was correct. Once, during her meeting with her mother in the nightshade's library in episode 5 and again when talking to Tyler, in the Weathervane, in episode 6. Also, another youtube video mentioned clues to the monster's identity but skipped the main and most obvious one. In episode 1 the brief appearance of the monster, the monster's hair is both the same color and style as Tyler.
completely missed that ! mind blown
A few points, if I may:
1) I can agree that the writers could've better shown that Wednesday trusted Enid to take care of the Hyde, but I personally already got that feeling even without a nod or whatever. In any event, this was a very volatile situation and she was needed elsewhere. I don't think there's anything wrong with Wednesday running off, especially since she did let yell back why she was running away.
2) Can I ask what it is you think Wednesday could actually do in the Enid vs. Tyler fight? Because I really don't think Wednesday could do anything to help Enid. And her sticking around just to make sure Enid is okay puts all the others at the school at risk. I don't buy Wednesday actually getting involved in the fight and I don't think she'd just wait there when the zombie monster that damn near killed her was en route to kill all the other outcasts. So I just want to know what exactly it is you expect Wednesday to have done during the Tyler vs. Enid fight.
3) Tyler's Dad knows the Hyde is the killer because he's seen both the pictures captured by the homeless man's camera and the pictures Wednesday stole from Xavier that he drew. Plus, his wife was a Hyde as well. So he knows first hand what Hydes are like, and he knows a Hyde fits the description of the monster they're after. So it makes sense he'd shoot the Hyde, in my opinion.
I know you said final oneeeee but I’d really like to see your opinion on Bianca and her relationship with her mother and the cult !!❤
I love how you care for the characters in the show. I can get the same way. I even get attached to my D&D/anything characters. It would be so fun to watch you watch these shows to see how many times you go "what the heck"! Lastly maybe you could do an Episode on "Andor".
I felt like Wednesday leaving was a "I have to trust Enid" moment
I could see Thing knowing about the Nightshades through Wednesday's parents. Morticia and Gomez's portrait is prominent in the Nightshades' secret hideaway.
I think that long form gaze in Wednesday's direction was Enid telling her "Wednesday, go! Go!" So she went. Also, Sherriff Galpin shooting Tyler was, in my opinion because he's been in that school before and saw the Fangs as boneheads who just make a lot of racket and might be a little less inhibited when wolfed out. Hence the Lupin cages. Also , the picture(s?) of Hyde Tyler next to an unalived homeless person might have informed him as to the situation. You got me at Hyde vs werewolf, though. That could've easily been two chaotic beings painting the town red( 😏 ) that happened to clash.
My take on Wednesday fleeing in that moment was, "If I'm here, Enid will try to protect me. If I'm not, she can handle this however she wants!" Which is a logical assessment that would also be accurate, and one we see commonly in anime and comic scenes where there is a difference in power levels like this.
For the whole WTH moment for you it absolutely fits! She's smart and realistically she has no powers, no weapons and if Enid is focusing on the hyde and protecting Wednesday then she'll be less focused on protecting herself. The best thing you can do if you're the weakest member that needs protecting is to probably remove yourself from the situation because at the current moment you're just a liability thats putting your friend at risk. Maybe im being too logical but it made sense to me....??
And while Enid did almost die that's not really the point. Wednesday fully trusted her friends ability so it may be in character for her to leave like that
I thought the stare already indicated from Enid that she "got it" hence why Wednesday was "k I have to go to the school" I never saw it as "imma just leave bye"
Yes, there was some poor writing in this last episode. That said;
Thing is quite old. He was probably a member of the Nightshades since back when Morticia and Gomez were at the school... if not before. As to outing Ajax... as you said, Enid is part of his 'pack'. Thing effectively made the decision to 'recruit' her into the Nightshades... admittedly in a rushed manner due to the circumstances.
The sheriff knew that the killer was a Hyde (i.e. NOT a werewolf), like his wife had been. Indeed, he had to have suspected his son all along... leading to some of the tension between them (e.g. always worried about what Tyler was doing), and his guilt over failing to stop it. He also had lived near the school for many years and thus, like the hiker in the first episode, probably knew that werewolves did NOT generally go around killing people. So it comes down to whether he was willing to stand there and just WATCH as his son murdered another innocent person who he, as sheriff, had sworn to protect. He wasn't.
Scenes like these always make me think that the writers wanted to have something happen, but didn't think quite hard enough about how it should happen. One of the things as a writer you have to look out for, no matter what medium you're writing, is whether you're having a character do something because it's what they would do or because it would be dramatic/funny/cool. If you can have it be both? Awesome, that's the goal! If you can only pick one, though? ALWAYS go with what the character would do, because viewers will notice if you don't. Maybe not everyone, but enough. All the instances of complaint in this video are very dramatic scenes - drama was chosen over internal narrative and character consistency.
The frustrating thing is that there are some pretty easy fixes that could have made the scenes flow mroe smoothly. As stated in the video, Enid could have given a little "Go, I've got this" head bob to Wednesday, she could have nodded back in acknowledgement, boom, issue solved. For the Hyde, the scene just needed to be shifted a bit to have Enid be more obviously roughed up - make it a bit more obvious visually that she's losing and the Hyde is the aggressor. That, or have the father make some noise, accidentally shift the Hyde's attention and aggression to him, and have him be forced to shoot in self-defense, which would arguably have had the potential to be even more dramatic and heart-breaking.
My reading of Thing joining in the finger snapping was that it's the classic Addams Family finger snap and probably was introduced to the Nightshades by Gomez and Morticia, if not Thing themselves.
I think in this case she just assumed that Enid was strong enough to fight back. I don't know for sure, I'm not in her mind but that's what comes to mind. Because we know that Wednesday cares more than we assumed beforehand, so I think that because she's really into her logical part of her brain she just analyzed the situation and concluded that Enid was strong enough to fight back idk. And for Thing snapping too, I don't think he's a member of the Nightshades, but since the snapping is a part of the Addams family as well (maybe here playing on the fact that Morticia and Gomez were Nightshades members and that's were the snapping habit came from idk), so maybe it's just Thing snapping along because used to it and or a play here of the writers to emphasize Enid's feeling of being kept in ignorance.
And to be fair, I think that there's not a doubt in the sheriff's mind about whether or not the Hyde is the bad guy, because throughout this season we've gathered more evidences than needed and it would be really irrational to think otherwise. I can get why the possibility of his son being a Hyde could be a second guessing factor. But a Hyde having numerous murders on its hands trying not to defend himself but actually to kill a werewolf (even if the fact that sheriff ignores the fact that it's Enid, he still knows really well that werewolves are Nevermore's students), it makes it highly doubtful that he would be reluctant to shoot, plus he wasn't aiming to kill with his shot, more to stop him from killing Enid. Now again, I don't have all the answers and that's only my perspective on the matter here. I also think that the writers chose to make it happen this way in order to make some situations happen, like the arrow sacrifice thing that allows Wednesday to make amends for her behavior with Xavier in the past, and also to make Enid go through this experience on her own. Now don't shoot at me guys (no pun intended here) I totally agree that Enid almost lost her life and that her experiencing this on her own is sad, a bit traumatic but I really think that this experience was in a way necessary for Enid and she discovered one aspect of her identity/personality and what she's capable own her own. Some of those supernatural aspects are most of the times metaphors for becoming adults or discovering our bodies, changing evolving, sexuality etc. And even if do find support and comfort around that's always an experience that we have to live and go through on our own. It was my thoughts on this but I could be wrong. Still I liked your reactions on this season and I also appreciate some info that you presented cuz it's good to confront perspectives especially because sometimes I wouldn't have thought of this or that in that way and that's why sharing is so amazing^^
It does feel like decisions just made for the plot, but if I had to rationalize it I'd say the Sheriff knows a single bullet isn't going to kill a Hyde, as his wife was one he'd have some knowledge of how hard they are to kill, and was maybe hoping to talk his son down instead of letting him kill a werewolf (that is likely a kid or staff member from the school) and then his son continues rampaging as he has been